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    Quote Originally Posted by Fleeman93 View Post
    I'm not a political person so I don't do these threads usually but I am going to chime in:


    Why hasn't President Obama given the American people a working budget in his first 4 years of office? Why would I think that he won't do the same in the next 4 years?
    When Obama had both houses and forced the unpopular Obamacare bill through without any inclusion at all, he pretty much determined the course for his tenure. Why should we be surprised that the Republican side would hesitate to be open to his few initiatives like tax & spending increases?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strider324 View Post
    One clear reason why is because of the soaring national debt - part of which he inherited, part of which his admin is responsible for - that hangs over every single policy debate that Washington has considered since 2009. Hoyer pretty much summed it up back in 2010: The nations structural deficit has to be addressed before any realistic long-term budget can pass. Now that Bowles-Simpson has made their recommendations, what are the Dems doing about it? What are the Reps doing? Both parties have had 2 years to work in a partisan manner. What are the results? Non-partisan cooperation or finger-pointing and preparation for the next election?
    So you are saying that 4 years isn't enough time to come up with a budget? How long will it take whomever is in office to come up with a budget? Sorry I really don't do politics because every single person involved sucks donkey balls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fleeman93 View Post
    So you are saying that 4 years isn't enough time to come up with a budget? How long will it take whomever is in office to come up with a budget? Sorry I really don't do politics because every single person involved sucks donkey balls.
    Hey, I hear ya!

    My point was simply that we have 2 parties in power - thinking that whatever party is not currently in the WH means they have no responsibility for our economy or other problems is not realistic. This is the snake oil that both parties try to sell us - "Hey, don't look at us! WE'RE not in the WH!"

    The frickin' WH is not where all the power lies in our form of government.
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    Hey, I hear ya!

    My point was simply that we have 2 parties in power - thinking that whatever party is not currently in the WH means they have no responsibility for our economy or other problems is not realistic. This is the snake oil that both parties try to sell us - "Hey, don't look at us! WE'RE not in the WH!"

    The frickin' WH is not where all the power lies in our form of government.
    And Republicans had control of both the Senate and the House and the White House from 2000-2006 and did....what? about the debt? With or without budgets? And what deregulation we got led directly to too-big-to-fail banks and the Great Recession. But we are supposed to ignore that, we want those guys back in because "it is an ideological election"? GMAFB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strider324 View Post
    Hey, I hear ya!

    My point was simply that we have 2 parties in power - thinking that whatever party is not currently in the WH means they have no responsibility for our economy or other problems is not realistic. This is the snake oil that both parties try to sell us - "Hey, don't look at us! WE'RE not in the WH!"

    The frickin' WH is not where all the power lies in our form of government.

    Ok but doesn't the president and his party need to bring something to the table that is workable? Isn't not bringing anything workable to the table a little bit irresponsible?
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    Quote Originally Posted by slcdragonfan View Post
    And Republicans had control of both the Senate and the House and the White House from 2000-2006 and did....what? about the debt? With or without budgets? And what deregulation we got led directly to too-big-to-fail banks and the Great Recession. But we are supposed to ignore that, we want those guys back in because "it is an ideological election"? GMAFB.
    Isn't this kind of deflecting the original question? Shouldn't the sitting president and his staff be able to put together a workable budget in 4 years? What if President Obama gets reelected and doesn't bring a budget to the table in the next 4 years? Where does that leave us? I honestly don't know the answers to these questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fleeman93 View Post
    Ok but doesn't the president and his party need to bring something to the table that is workable? Isn't not bringing anything workable to the table a little bit irresponsible?

    I'm not knowledgeable enough to know whether they brought anything 'workable' to any table or not. The fact that the 'other party', whichever one that happens to be at the time, has a long and ignominious history of 'claiming' that their counterpart has brought nothing workable may be part of the problem...

    Again, it takes 2 to Tango. I was raised with the idealism that our elected officials would act like adults and diligently work for the good of ALL of their constituents AND this nation, regardless of partisanship.

    Boy, do I feel stoopid lately....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fleeman93 View Post
    Isn't this kind of deflecting the original question? Shouldn't the sitting president and his staff be able to put together a workable budget in 4 years? What if President Obama gets elected and doesn't bring a budget to the table in the next 4 years? Where does that leave us? I honestly don't know the answers to these questions.
    The article I posted is helpful. Spending still occurs, it is just more ad hoc.
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    And Republicans had control of both the Senate and the House and the White House from 2000-2006 and did....what? about the debt? With or without budgets? And what deregulation we got led directly to too-big-to-fail banks and the Great Recession. But we are supposed to ignore that, we want those guys back in because "it is an ideological election"? GMAFB.
    And Obama was in office from 2008-2012..and did what? Blew the Freeking doors off of spending to the sum UN-EQUALED IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY!!

    More spending in the last 4 years than ALL OF THE PAST PRESIDENTS COMBINED!!!

    Did you get that??? GMAFB!!!
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    And Obama was in office from 2008-2012..and did what? Blew the Freeking doors off of spending to the sum UN-EQUALED IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY!!

    More spending in the last 4 years than ALL OF THE PAST PRESIDENTS COMBINED!!!

    Did you get that??? GMAFB!!!
    Saved the country didn't he? No Great Depression II like the teaparty wanted. And any Republican in office would have done the same thing with the exception of Healthcare, Lord knows that isn't needed.

    By the way, your statement isn't exactly true....

    http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/qu...dents-combined

    But of course it sounds good and if you take a simple approach it appears to be true.
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    Saved the country didn't he? No Great Depression II like the teaparty wanted. And any Republican in office would have done the same thing with the exception of Healthcare, Lord knows that isn't needed.

    By the way, your statement isn't exactly true....

    http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/qu...dents-combined

    But of course it sounds good and if you take a simple approach it appears to be true.
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    Saved the country? What country? Ours?
    yes. The USA. from the Great Depression II.
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    yes. The USA. from the Great Depression II.

    Bush gets credit for that as well as Obama. He originally approved the $700 billion and Obama agreed it was the right thing to do.

    Funny how Obama always gets 'blamed' for this, when Bush approved it first - and they both were right. Partisan politics has no conscience, memory, or integrity....
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    Bush gets credit for that as well as Obama. He originally approved the $700 billion and Obama agreed it was the right thing to do.

    Funny how Obama always gets 'blamed' for this, when Bush approved it first - and they both were right. Partisan politics has no conscience, memory, or integrity....
    I don't know about you..but i would GLADLY take 700 Billion over 14 TRILLION...anyday!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FRS90 View Post

    Thats because you're a liberal progressive. You may "like" romney better now, but the basic principles he believes in are not yours. Stop attempting to paint yourself as a moderate; you are at the very core a progressive.

    This is an election centered on principles.

    Romney- Your choice if you believe in the individual’s right to dictate his path as he sees fit. A belief system centered on the idea that the Governments duty is to terrorize injustice, and protect the rights of the individual. You choose the Market over government.

    Obama- If you believe society and Government are interchangeable words. And the rights of society supersede that of the individual. Equality before liberty, and fairness before prosperity. You believe Governments duty is to establish the rights of people, and to engage in legal plunder of the haves for the sake of the have not’s. You choose the Government over the market. You choose the forced organization of peoples over the natural fraternities of the individual.


    Its pretty clear....Obama voters are stupid.
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    I don't know about you..but i would GLADLY take 700 Billion over 14 TRILLION...anyday!!

    I don't know guys, but it appears to me that we're being set up for not only the Great Depression II, but,

    ..the "MOA Depressions" in the History of the Entire World!


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    Bush gets credit for that as well as Obama. He originally approved the $700 billion and Obama agreed it was the right thing to do.

    Funny how Obama always gets 'blamed' for this, when Bush approved it first - and they both were right. Partisan politics has no conscience, memory, or integrity....
    Strange that when a bus gets driven off of a cliff the driver gets an ounce of the blame and the guy charged with fixing it gets blamed for spending too much to fix it, get it rolling on it's own and they next claim he did nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcat81 View Post
    I don't know guys, but it appears to me that we're being set up for not only the Great Depression II, but,

    ..the "MOA Depressions" in the History of the Entire World!


    What was that Marzist-Socialist strategy again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by E-Vol-ution View Post
    Strange that when a bus gets driven off of a cliff the driver gets an ounce of the blame and the guy charged with fixing it gets blamed for spending too much to fix it, get it rolling on it's own and they next claim he did nothing.
    interesting, you think the "it's all Bush's fault carries any water this election? I just don't see getting us into the largest deficit in the history of this nation is fixing anything. We all know who we are voting for and why but with a two party system it comes down sometimes to the lesser of two evils.

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