If you are successful, you didn't do it alone.

[LILBradford]

Can you provide a link on this? I am very interested in it.

No sir I cannot. My uncle is special forces and he told me his and his families benefits we're cut due to some change made by the gov. I'll do some research and get back to you. I think the major changes will start next year for active and retired military.

[LILBradford]

Can you provide a link on this? I am very interested in it.

http://www.newsmax.com/US/obama-cuts...2/27/id/430757

That's a link to a news article talking about it, doesn't say it was put into action though.

[JagFan]

Whatever. I agree that government is generally not going to be the prime engine of innovation. Government in general is not designed to be innovative, that doesn't mean that the functions it provides are not important. Like I explained earlier, the ideal model is that the government provides important goods, services, and general order that allows innovators to do their thing.

Interesting that you mention oil and gas. If we ever do become energy independent, I wonder how much we'll use drilling vessels equipped with Dynamic Positioning Systems (DPS). Tell me, was it the free market that shot GPS satellites into space, or NASA and the U.S Department of Defense? Can you remind me which sector of private industry maintains and built the National Differential Global Positioning System? Or is that DoT and the U.S Coast Guard?

You live in Houston, right? You do realize that more than anything else-- right to work laws, business friendly climate, low taxes, etc, etc, there was one historical event that made the modern American South capable of supporting a modern industrial and urban economy as opposed to agrarianism. That was the eradication of the malaria mosquito. Was it a free market hero that took the initiative to eradicate malaria from the continental United States? Is it only a coincidence that the Center for Disease Control is headquartered in Atlanta? Not having malaria is pretty awesome, no?

When the government of "we the People" does something, "we the People" are in fact funding it. That's kind of the whole point of "government" and "taxes." There is stuff that needs to get done out there that isn't obviously beneficial, affordable, or profitable for innovators and entrepreneurs out there to do. But it still has to get done, because Steve Jobs would not have invented the iPad if he was sick with malaria all the damn time. Even if you aren't getting a government loan or handout, chances are you are still getting quite a bit of bang for you buck.

Firebird- nobody denies that there are things the government that we created has a role in our society. We pay taxes for those roads and bridges and firefighters and police. Those are supported by the people. I am not against that nor am I against people receiving food stamps, welfare, or medicaid within reason. I will never be against giving someone a hand up.

But for him to say you didn't do it alone is just wrong. The government did not make or help my husband and son come up with a new idea and draw it out and dream and work hard to finally see that dream become a reality. Yes we live in the greatest country in the world that dreams like that can be possible. Inventors and entrepreneurs created this government so people can go out and do it on their own. That is what makes America America.

Maybe it was the delivery but it came out as a slap in the face. And if he did not mean it as it came out then he needs to start some damage control.

[E-Vol-ution]

http://www.newsmax.com/US/obama-cuts...2/27/id/430757

That's a link to a news article talking about it, doesn't say it was put into action though.

Thanks....this is about the Tricare plan.
I'll have to read more about it.

[LILBradford]

Firebird- nobody denies that here are things the government that we created has a role in our society. We pay taxes for those roads and bridges and firefighters and police. Those are supported by the people. I am not against that nor am I against people receiving food stamps, welfare, or medicaid within reason. I will never be against giving someone a hand up.

But for him to say you didn't do it alone is just wrong. The government did not make or help my husband and son come up with a new idea and draw it out and dream and work hard to finally see that dream become a reality. Yes we live in the greatest country in the world that dreams like that can be possible. Inventors and entrepreneurs created this government so people can go out and do it on their own. That is what makes America America.

Maybe it was the delivery but it came out as a slap in the face. And if he did not mean it as it came out then he needs to start some damage control.

^ this

[mojotrain]

E-Vol my last post I was cut off at the pass because my wife needed to look at great grandbaby picture sent to her.

The rest of my story was if you do have kids that wish to work I would introduce them to my oilfield connection. Those are not the only jobs open around here and some pay more that 13 per hour. We need hundreds of construction jobs. Housing in this area is non existant. Oil companys are buying single family dewellings and moving in workers to fill each bedroom. Hotels are being built as fast as possible up but not fast enough, a 85 dollar a night hotel is now going for 150 to 250 per night and they two are filled. For the bi-annual oil show comming up oil companys are reserving rooms in Lubbock. I would do my best to find a place for your kids if it comes to that. I would insure they were at the First Baptist Church every Sunday pm me it it's a serious idea.

On a unusual announcment which relates to over taxing, last week XCOR a aerospace company is moving to Midland to get out of Kern county Calif. They plan on sending anyone with several million dollars into space.

[mojotrain]

Regarding everyprogressives thought that American was in full fail mode until the internet came along. I was here before the internet was invented so I won't ever buy that horse crap theory. But assuming you progressives are correct, do you know what goverment agency gets credit for the begining of the internet and what is going to happen to their budget? I'll give you a hint. They work in a funny shaped building across the river from d c and b o and they happen to be one of only two or three goverment intitys that I believe should get federal tax money.

I regress, did anyone ever answer my question as to what came first, successful commerce or the goverments need to control successful commerce?

[E-Vol-ution]

E-Vol my last post I was cut off at the pass because my wife needed to look at great grandbaby picture sent to her.

The rest of my story was if you do have kids that wish to work I would introduce them to my oilfield connection. Those are not the only jobs open around here and some pay more that 13 per hour. We need hundreds of construction jobs. Housing in this area is non existant. Oil companys are buying single family dewellings and moving in workers to fill each bedroom. Hotels are being built as fast as possible up but not fast enough, a 85 dollar a night hotel is now going for 150 to 250 per night and they two are filled. For the bi-annual oil show comming up oil companys are reserving rooms in Lubbock. I would do my best to find a place for your kids if it comes to that. I would insure they were at the First Baptist Church every Sunday pm me it it's a serious idea.

On a unusual announcment which relates to over taxing, last week XCOR a aerospace company is moving to Midland to get out of Kern county Calif. They plan on sending anyone with several million dollars into space.

I appreciate the look out, they aren't my kids.......just people I know of that are seeking employment and security for their families in low risk crime areas.

[mojotrain]

I witnessed people buying chewing gum with stamps prior to Obama coming in office, so I certainly hope you're not blaming him for that stuff.
It's easy to pull up who the majority of food stamp or loan star card holders are........they aren't the $160 shoe guys either.
I helped coordinate a job fair at MLK Center in Dallas a couple of years ago..............over 3 thousand people showed up for 35 jobs.
Don't believe the hype.

Nope, not blaming him totally. Republicans have also furthered the socialist/progressive cause. I've always said that. But by the grace of and progressives/ liberals he has been empowered to be the final peice in the formation of a socialist nation. But being a socialist nation is not b o intent. He is a marxist wrapped in a robe of many colors.

When school children are taught songs of praise about him, when schools are controlled by the goverment, when liberal teachers have filled the halls of those schools because socialism is the the result of their college brain washing , when reference to God has been removed from every nook and cranny in the USA except within church walls, when labor unions or goverment employees storm goverment buildings because of political decisions and actions don't suit them, when the nothings camp out in parks or in the front doors of companys of those who want to make a living, in a effort to shut down those companys and when b o takes control of the most envied medical system in the world. It's my opinion you should first take a look back to long ago to where you came from, remember those trials and tribulations, then look where you and your family are today. Forget what color he tells you he is. Consider what COULD be the motive for every word out of his mouth. This exact path my friend was done long ago just prior to WWII. Now reconsider your ideas about where he is taking you and more importantly where he is taking this nation.
In his perfect world there will be fewer rich but they will be richer than the rich of today. There will be a smaller middle class and they will live on what the goverments see's fit for them to live on. There will be a much larger poor class and they will have less than ever before.

The goverment can't produce. The middle class produces but only at the will and whims of the rich. The poor that wish to remain poor will do so. And there will always be poor, always, now and forever. This system has ups and downs but it works. It won't work under the strain it is now in. If not this, if this fails or we allow it to be stolen from us we become a Greece tomorrow and subsequently sub servants to russia or china or the like. You'll love that.



Chewing gum is a 49 cent item. Come to Odessa or go to Del Rios HEB's and see what you have paid for that crosses the check out stands. Yes they do wear the 160 tenny runners. Well, some probably sell drugs which is not taxable income.

3 thousand people had the need to show up at the fair to show the goverment they had interviewed and tried to seek employment. Why? So they could continue to recieve un employment checks. That is in the gimmys drill book for gosh sakes. And NOW b o, bless his giving little heart sees no need for them to even seek employment to recieve benifits. . If that flys, next time you go to help out at the job fair you may be the only one there.

[mojotrain]

I appreciate the look out, they aren't my kids.......just people I know of that are seeking employment and security for their families in low risk crime areas.

With the influx of new workers, mostly male without female guideance and other stuff, I wouldn't consider Odessa a low crime area. It may be better than some areas of DFW, EP, Laredo or Houston but it's not exactly a church meeting on the ground either. I've acquired some serious equalizers in the past year. I hate it that I feel the need to do that. Traffic is terrible.

[mojotrain]

Don't get me wrong. I want to pay taxs. I want to pay local tax for what local goverment supplys. I can change those in charge if I wish. Most Odessans know what we need for the betterment of this city. Same with county tax..

I want to pay a State tax for what they can do that local goverments can't but I don't want the State of Texas tellin Odessa what to do. And I want to pay federal a tax for those few things I've mentioned before. But I don't want them controlling my local or state elected goverments.

[mojotrain]

nm

[Dawg82]

You know...maybe he's got a point...

[JagFan]

You know...maybe he's got a point...

[E-Vol-ution]

Don't get me wrong. I want to pay taxs. I want to pay local tax for what local goverment supplys. I can change those in charge if I wish. Most Odessans know what we need for the betterment of this city. Same with county tax..

I want to pay a State tax for what they can do that local goverments can't but I don't want the State of Texas tellin Odessa what to do. And I want to pay federal a tax for those few things I've mentioned before. But I don't want them controlling my local or state elected goverments.

Uh....sounds like secession to me.

[pied]

You know...maybe he's got a point...

ummm yeah isn't that what he said three years ago?

Describing himself as surprised and deeply humbled, Obama said he would accept the award as a "call to action" to confront the global challenges of the 21st century.

"I do not view it as a recognition of my own accomplishments but rather an affirmation of American leadership on behalf of aspirations held by people in all nations," he said in the White House Rose Garden.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/...5981JK20091009

[Dawg82]

ummm yeah isn't that what he said three years ago?

So, I assume the prize will be divided equally.

[pied]

So, I assume the prize will be divided equally.

No, the Veterans got the largest share.

Three months after receiving the Nobel Peace Prize, President Obama announced Thursday the 10 charities that will benefit from his $1.4 million cash award.

In a statement issued by the White House, Obama said: "These organizations do extraordinary work in the United States and abroad helping students, veterans and countless others in need. I'm proud to support their work."

In October, when Obama became the third sitting U.S. president to win the award, he pledged to give the cash prize to charity. He formally accepted the prize in a December ceremony in Oslo.

The largest share of the Nobel funds, $250,000, will go to Fisher House, which provides housing for families of patients receiving medical care at major military and Department of Veterans Affairs medical centers.

About $200,000 will go to the Clinton Bush Haiti Fund, which is raising money for long-term relief efforts in that country after the devastating earthquake.


Six charities working to prepare students for higher education and help them pay for it will each get $125,000: the American Indian College Fund, the Appalachian Leadership and Education Foundation, College Summit, the Hispanic Scholarship Fund, the Posse Foundation and the United Negro College Fund.

And two charities involved in global outreach will each receive $100,000: Africare and the Central Asia Institute.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...031104076.html

[Dawg82]

No, the Veterans got the largest share.

Pied, you seem to be missing the whole point and context. Why did he recieive the prize? What had he done?

Quit the idiotic small-mindedness of focusing on $$$. The Nobel Peace Prize used to mean something. What? How could a President that had been in office less than a year earn this award? What did this award attempt to tell? Was it based on promises never delivered?

Would Obama win the prize today?

I'll tell you point blank the cartoon was funny, and a good joke at someone who applies rules to all but himself.

[mojotrain]

Uh....sounds like secession to me.

More in tune with cutting our losses.