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    Default Perry v. Schwarzenegger

    Closing arguments were heard today, and all signs point to a positive result for the petitioners (repeal Prop 8 side), but there is no official word as to when we will hear a ruling.

    Liveblog here if you're interested: http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/20...ke-their-case/
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    Default Re: Perry v. Schwarzenegger

    Quote Originally Posted by the_phoenix612 View Post
    Closing arguments were heard today, and all signs point to a positive result for the petitioners (repeal Prop 8 side), but there is no official word as to when we will hear a ruling.

    Liveblog here if you're interested: http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/20...ke-their-case/
    Sounds like Cooper and Walker are knuckleheads, whoever they are. We have better discussions here than they are having.

    BTW, what does Perry v. Schwarzenegger have to do with this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoOwls View Post
    Sounds like Cooper and Walker are knuckleheads, whoever they are. We have better discussions here than they are having.

    BTW, what does Perry v. Schwarzenegger have to do with this?
    Perry is the last name of one of the individuals on whose behalf the case was filed. Schwarzenegger is the representative of the State of California, as the AG refused to take the case as HE thought it was unconstitutional and Ahnold thought it was important that the case go to court.

    Cooper is the lead attorney for ProtectMarriage.org, the main participant in the Yes on 8 campaign who organized and bankrolled the defense because nobody in the California government support Proposition 8. Walker is the judge in charge of the case.
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    Judge Walker is due to release his decision this afternoon on the constitutionality (see, it is a plus or minus thing) of Prop 8, if anybody cares.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_phoenix612 View Post
    Judge Walker is due to release his decision this afternoon on the constitutionality (see, it is a plus or minus thing) of Prop 8, if anybody cares.
    pls post when you get it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by slcdragonfan View Post
    pls post when you get it...
    I have to go to work.

    http://prop8trialtracker.com/ will have it up as soon as its announced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slcdragonfan View Post
    pls post when you get it...
    Prop 8 was overturned.

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    http://prop8trialtracker.com/2010/08...onstitutional/

    Violates due process AND equal protection. Total victory today for equality supporters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedRage00 View Post
    Prop 8 was overturned.
    Good.

    I'm sure the Mormons will come up with another plan but this is at least something.

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    Is this a golf thread???
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    Quote Originally Posted by mad_fan View Post
    Is this a golf thread???
    ...passing through....

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    Quote Originally Posted by mad_fan View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by yankee View Post
    we could make this about sticks and balls if you want...oh wai...
    and then???
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    and then???
    post pictures of tiger woods' mistresses...
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    Quote Originally Posted by yankee View Post
    post pictures of tiger woods' mistresses...
    boring...still...
    this thread sucks....
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    Given that the motion to appeal was filed before the ruling was even announced, the decision is not the important part. What is important are the facts Judge Walker found, as later appeals will defer to his findings of the facts, and will not change any unless they're clearly erroneous. That said, the facts Judge Walker found as as follows:

    1. Marriage is and has been a civil matter, subject to religious intervention only when requested by the intervenors.

    2. California, like every other state, doesn't require that couples wanting to marry be able to procreate.

    3. Marriage as an institution has changed overtime; women were given equal status; interracial marriage was formally legalized; no-fault divorce made it easier to dissolve marriages.

    4. California has eliminated marital obligations based on gender.

    5. Same-sex love and intimacy "are well-documented in human history."

    6. Sexual orientation is a fundamental characteristic of a human being.

    7. Prop 8 proponents' "assertion that sexual orientation cannot be defined is contrary to the weight of the evidence."

    8. There is no evidence that sexual orientation is chosen, nor than it can be changed.

    9. California has no interest in reducing the number of gays and lesbians in its population.

    10. "Same-sex couples are identical to opposite-sex couples in the characteristics relevant to the ability to form successful marital union."

    11. "Marrying a person of the opposite sex is an unrealistic option for gay and lesbian individuals."

    12. "Domestic partnerships lack the social meaning associated with marriage, and marriage is widely regarded as the definitive expression of love and commitment in the United States.
    The availability of domestic partnership does not provide gays and lesbians with a status equivalent to marriage because the cultural meaning of marriage and its associated benefits are intentionally withheld from same-sex couples in domestic partnerships."

    13. "Permitting same-sex couples to marry will not affect the number of opposite-sex couples who marry, divorce, cohabit, have children outside of marriage or otherwise affect the
    stability of opposite-sex marriages."
    Legally, this is a "boom, headshot" to the anti-equality folks. Have fun trying to get this overturned with THIS set of legal facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_phoenix612 View Post
    Legally, this is a "boom, headshot" to the anti-equality folks. Have fun trying to get this overturned with THIS set of legal facts.
    >>implying anyone opposed to same-sex marriage at this point really cares about legal facts.
    This is where you post something no one else cares about.

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    >>implying anyone opposed to same-sex marriage at this point really cares about legal facts.
    >>just wants them to know how screwed their case is.
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    [QUOTE=the_phoenix612;1564749]13. "Permitting same-sex couples to marry will not affect the number of opposite-sex couples who marry, divorce, cohabit, have children outside of marriage or otherwise affect the
    stability of opposite-sex marriages." QUOTE]

    Mother 'effin this!

    I don't understand why so many people get up in arms over something that has no affect on their lives. Well, I do, but I think it's a stupid reason. There are people on here that have been married and divorced multiple times, yet they think my lifestyle is going to ruin marriage LOL! It's okay to go on "The Bachelor" and find a wife through a TV game show, but all hell breaks loose when 2 people of the same sex (who might actually love each other!) who have been together for years want to get married.

    How is this honestly going to affect people who oppose it? Will you be unable to sleep at a night? Will it cause you to lose your job? Will you be unable to perform in bed? Is little Johnny gonna get a C in Algebra instead of an A?

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    13. "Permitting same-sex couples to marry will not affect the number of opposite-sex couples who marry, divorce, cohabit, have children outside of marriage or otherwise affect the
    stability of opposite-sex marriages." QUOTE]

    Mother 'effin this!

    I don't understand why so many people get up in arms over something that has no affect on their lives. Well, I do, but I think it's a stupid reason. There are people on here that have been married and divorced multiple times, yet they think my lifestyle is going to ruin marriage LOL! It's okay to go on "The Bachelor" and find a wife through a TV game show, but all hell breaks loose when 2 people of the same sex (who might actually love each other!) who have been together for years want to get married.

    How is this honestly going to affect people who oppose it? Will you be unable to sleep at a night? Will it cause you to lose your job? Will you be unable to perform in bed? Is little Johnny gonna get a C in Algebra instead of an A?
    I understand and respect what you are saying, but does one judge have the right to overturn the will of the voters of California? 52% voted in support of prop 8. The supremes will have to weigh in on whether judges can ignore the will of the citizens of states and impose their own opinions. Same situation in Az with the judge there going against the will of the voters.
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