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    Why is it that when state championships are mentioned in terms of making it to them, winning them, losing them etc.. that those teams from '40 to '68 who were part of the PVIL are never mentioned, like the UIL teams are?

    And for those that dont know, the PVIL is the Prarie View Intershcolastic League. It was the negro league during the days of segregation.


    Like for instance when Houston Yates state titles and appearences are talked about, only the '81 team that lost to Lake Highlands and the '85 team that killed everyone are the teams that are mentioned. But Houston Yates actually played in 9 title games and won 5 when you count PVIL and UIL titles and appearences.


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    This is a great post! If anyone can list the PVIL champs from 1940-1968, do it! That way those schools can be recognized. Now, I would bet that alot of those schools do not exist anymore.

    Still though, they were state champs just like the UiL schools were and should be recognized as such.
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    Not only Football...HISD was well represented in Basketball in the PVIL

    Some Football Stats:
    http://www.uil.utexas.edu/athletics/...l_records.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Storm View Post
    This is a great post! If anyone can list the PVIL champs from 1940-1968, do it! That way those schools can be recognized. Now, I would bet that alot of those schools do not exist anymore.

    Still though, they were state champs just like the UiL schools were and should be recognized as such.

    Yes most do not exist anymore...Some like Dallas Lincoln and Houston Yates do still exist..Others may still exist, just under a different name.




    1940
    2A Fort Worth Terrell 26, Austin Anderson 0

    1941
    2A Dallas Washington 12, Houston Wheatley 0

    1942
    2A Austin Anderson 40, Paris Gibbons 0

    1943
    2A Wichita Falls Washington 7, Houston Yates 7(CO-CHAMPIONS)

    1944
    2A Houston Wheatley 7, Fort Worth Terrell 6

    1945
    2A Wichita Falls Washington 12, Austin Anderson 2

    1946
    2A Dallas Washington 19, Galveston Central 19(CO-CHAMPIONS)

    1947
    2A Fort Worth Terrell 13, Corpus Christi Coles 6
    1A Denison Terrell 6, Taylor Price 6 (CO-CHAMPIONS)

    1948
    2A Corpus Christi Coles 6, Dallas Washington 0
    1A Denison Terrell 13, Orange Wallace 0

    1949
    2A Dallas Lincoln 13, Port Arthur Lincoln 13(CO-CHAMPIONS)
    1A Orange Wallace 34, Victoria Gross 13

    1950
    2A Dallas Washington 24, Houston Yates 21
    1A San Angelo Blackshear 32, Huntsville Sam Houston 0

    1951
    2A Houston Yates 6, Waco Moore 6 (CO-CHAMPIONS)
    1A Huntsville Sam Houston 7, Hillsboro Peabody 6

    1952
    3A Waco Moore 14, Corpus Christi Coles 0
    2A Amarillo Carver 7, Palestine Lincoln 0
    1A Arp Industrial defeated Lockhart Carver (No score available)

    1953
    3A Port Arthur Lincoln 38, Dallas Washington 7
    2A Corsicana Jackson 19, Abilene Woodson 0
    1A Livingston Dunbar defeated West Columbia Brown(No score available)

    1954
    3A Houston Wheatley 13, Waco Moore 0
    2A Orange Wallace 39, Greenville Carver 0
    1A Livingston Dunbar 25, College Station Lincoln 20

    1955
    3A Port Arthur Lincoln 9, Dallas Lincoln 6
    2A Baytown Carver 33, Gladewater Weldon 13
    1A Rockdale Aycock 21, West Dunbar 7

    1956
    3A Austin Anderson 26, Dallas Washington 7
    2A Corsicana Jackson 18, Denton Moore 0
    1A Sealy County Austin 19, Kaufman Pyle 18

    1957
    3A Austin Anderson 22, Dallas Washington 14
    2A Corsicana Jackson 46, Denton Moore 0
    1A Galena Park Fidelity Manor 29, Vernon Washington 6

    1958
    3A Dallas Washington 35, Houston Washington 0
    2A Baytown Carver 17, Denton Moore 14
    1A Livingston Dunbar 26, Grand Prairie Dal-Worth 24

    1959
    3A Beaumont Hebert 37, Dallas Lincoln 0
    2A Bay City Hilliard 22, Fort Worth Kirkpatrick 14
    1A West Dunbar 42, Livingston Dunbar 12

    1960
    4A Houston Washington 6, Waco Moore 6 (CO-CHAMPIONS)
    3A Corpus Christi Coles 38, Wichita Falls Washington 21
    2A Conroe Washington 16, Midland Carver 6
    1A Freeport Lanier 28, West Dunbar 24

    1961
    4A Austin Anderson 20, Houston Yates 13
    3A Baytown Carver 21, Fort Worth Kirkpatrick 6
    2A Midland Carver 42, Conroe Washington 16
    1A Richardson Hamilton Park 24, Sweeny Carver 0

    1962
    4A Houston Yates 18, Fort Worth Dunbar 15
    3A Fort Worth Kirkpatrick 6, Houston Fidelity Manor 0
    2A Wharton Training 40, Lubbock Dunbar 6
    1A Taylor Price 42, Dayton Colbert 6

    1963
    4A Galveston Central 34, Dallas Madison 14
    3A Fort Worth Kirkpatrick 46, Gladewater Weldon 14
    2A Lubbock Dunbar 19, Conroe Washington 14
    1A Smithville Brown 38, Mineola McFarland 6

    1964
    4A Waco Moore 16, Houston Yates 14
    3A Lufkin Dunbar 20, Marlin Washington 7
    2A Sherman Douglas 32, Conroe Washington 18
    1A Bartlett Washington 8, Garland Carver 6

    1965
    4A Houston Yates 18, Fort Worth Terrell 0
    3A Wichita Falls Washington 31, Nacogdoches Campbell 0
    2A Conroe Washington 33, Sherman Douglas 12
    1A Sweeny Carver 21, Cameron Price 14

    1966
    4A Beaumont Hebert 14, Dallas Madison 3
    3A Lufkin Dunbar 14, Wichita Falls Washington 7
    2A Bay City Hilliard 42, Denton Moore 0

    1967
    3A Lufkin Dunbar 44, Texarkana Dunbar 24
    2A Jasper Rowe 55, Hallsville Gallilee 12

    1968
    3A Corsicana Jackson 31, Gladewater Weldon 6
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    Quote Originally Posted by dada View Post
    Not only Football...HISD was well represented in Basketball in the PVIL

    Some Football Stats:
    http://www.uil.utexas.edu/athletics/...l_records.html

    Sorry bro, I didnt see this post with the link before I posted the teams and scores.

    I know there is alot of missing data on this league, especially as it pertains to basketball, baseball and track and field results. If anyone has any info on these other sports and the league in general, please post it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SLC View Post
    Yes most do not exist anymore...Some like Dallas Lincoln and Houston Yates do still exist..Others may still exist, just under a different name.




    1940
    2A Fort Worth Terrell 26, Austin Anderson 0

    1941
    2A Dallas Washington 12, Houston Wheatley 0

    1942
    2A Austin Anderson 40, Paris Gibbons 0

    1943
    2A Wichita Falls Washington 7, Houston Yates 7(CO-CHAMPIONS)

    1944
    2A Houston Wheatley 7, Fort Worth Terrell 6

    1945
    2A Wichita Falls Washington 12, Austin Anderson 2

    1946
    2A Dallas Washington 19, Galveston Central 19(CO-CHAMPIONS)

    1947
    2A Fort Worth Terrell 13, Corpus Christi Coles 6
    1A Denison Terrell 6, Taylor Price 6 (CO-CHAMPIONS)

    1948
    2A Corpus Christi Coles 6, Dallas Washington 0
    1A Denison Terrell 13, Orange Wallace 0

    1949
    2A Dallas Lincoln 13, Port Arthur Lincoln 13(CO-CHAMPIONS)
    1A Orange Wallace 34, Victoria Gross 13

    1950
    2A Dallas Washington 24, Houston Yates 21
    1A San Angelo Blackshear 32, Huntsville Sam Houston 0

    1951
    2A Houston Yates 6, Waco Moore 6 (CO-CHAMPIONS)
    1A Huntsville Sam Houston 7, Hillsboro Peabody 6

    1952
    3A Waco Moore 14, Corpus Christi Coles 0
    2A Amarillo Carver 7, Palestine Lincoln 0
    1A Arp Industrial defeated Lockhart Carver (No score available)

    1953
    3A Port Arthur Lincoln 38, Dallas Washington 7
    2A Corsicana Jackson 19, Abilene Woodson 0
    1A Livingston Dunbar defeated West Columbia Brown(No score available)

    1954
    3A Houston Wheatley 13, Waco Moore 0
    2A Orange Wallace 39, Greenville Carver 0
    1A Livingston Dunbar 25, College Station Lincoln 20

    1955
    3A Port Arthur Lincoln 9, Dallas Lincoln 6
    2A Baytown Carver 33, Gladewater Weldon 13
    1A Rockdale Aycock 21, West Dunbar 7

    1956
    3A Austin Anderson 26, Dallas Washington 7
    2A Corsicana Jackson 18, Denton Moore 0
    1A Sealy County Austin 19, Kaufman Pyle 18

    1957
    3A Austin Anderson 22, Dallas Washington 14
    2A Corsicana Jackson 46, Denton Moore 0
    1A Galena Park Fidelity Manor 29, Vernon Washington 6

    1958
    3A Dallas Washington 35, Houston Washington 0
    2A Baytown Carver 17, Denton Moore 14
    1A Livingston Dunbar 26, Grand Prairie Dal-Worth 24

    1959
    3A Beaumont Hebert 37, Dallas Lincoln 0
    2A Bay City Hilliard 22, Fort Worth Kirkpatrick 14
    1A West Dunbar 42, Livingston Dunbar 12

    1960
    4A Houston Washington 6, Waco Moore 6 (CO-CHAMPIONS)
    3A Corpus Christi Coles 38, Wichita Falls Washington 21
    2A Conroe Washington 16, Midland Carver 6
    1A Freeport Lanier 28, West Dunbar 24

    1961
    4A Austin Anderson 20, Houston Yates 13
    3A Baytown Carver 21, Fort Worth Kirkpatrick 6
    2A Midland Carver 42, Conroe Washington 16
    1A Richardson Hamilton Park 24, Sweeny Carver 0

    1962
    4A Houston Yates 18, Fort Worth Dunbar 15
    3A Fort Worth Kirkpatrick 6, Houston Fidelity Manor 0
    2A Wharton Training 40, Lubbock Dunbar 6
    1A Taylor Price 42, Dayton Colbert 6

    1963
    4A Galveston Central 34, Dallas Madison 14
    3A Fort Worth Kirkpatrick 46, Gladewater Weldon 14
    2A Lubbock Dunbar 19, Conroe Washington 14
    1A Smithville Brown 38, Mineola McFarland 6

    1964
    4A Waco Moore 16, Houston Yates 14
    3A Lufkin Dunbar 20, Marlin Washington 7
    2A Sherman Douglas 32, Conroe Washington 18
    1A Bartlett Washington 8, Garland Carver 6

    1965
    4A Houston Yates 18, Fort Worth Terrell 0
    3A Wichita Falls Washington 31, Nacogdoches Campbell 0
    2A Conroe Washington 33, Sherman Douglas 12
    1A Sweeny Carver 21, Cameron Price 14

    1966
    4A Beaumont Hebert 14, Dallas Madison 3
    3A Lufkin Dunbar 14, Wichita Falls Washington 7
    2A Bay City Hilliard 42, Denton Moore 0

    1967
    3A Lufkin Dunbar 44, Texarkana Dunbar 24
    2A Jasper Rowe 55, Hallsville Gallilee 12

    1968
    3A Corsicana Jackson 31, Gladewater Weldon 6
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    Quote Originally Posted by SLC View Post
    Sorry bro, I didnt see this post with the link before I posted the teams and scores.

    I know there is alot of missing data on this league, especially as it pertains to basketball, baseball and track and field results. If anyone has any info on these other sports and the league in general, please post it.
    No problem...here are Basketball chamions:
    http://www.uil.utexas.edu/athletics/...champions.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by dada View Post
    No problem...here are Basketball chamions:
    http://www.uil.utexas.edu/athletics/...champions.html

    Good lord...The first thing that jumped off the page when I looked at that link you posted was Houston Yates was a beast in basketball as well....And Wheatly could ball as well.

    See this is the way the football...in fact all sports champs should be listed...right together with the UIL champs from that era..They were after all champions and no less a champion than the UIL teams were.
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    I'd be interested to get WOS87's take on this and if he includes all these teams...well the ones that still exist, in his team history compilations.
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    and its actually surprising to see San Antonio on the list that many times!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SLC View Post
    I'd be interested to get WOS87's take on this and if he includes all these teams...well the ones that still exist, in his team history compilations.
    That's the first thing that came to mind when I read the thread.

    Great thread SLC...I for one was not aware of the PVIL. Now that I know it makes me love Texas HS sports all the more!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dada View Post
    I think Fidelity Manor became North Shore

    Well thats pretty cool...I believe Dallas Washington is Booker T. Washington high school, which still exists and is now Booker T. Washington High School for Visual and Performing Arts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PirateParent2011 View Post
    That's the first thing that came to mind when I read the thread.

    Great thread SLC...I for one was not aware of the PVIL. Now that I know it makes me love Texas HS sports all the more!

    Yea, I've known about the PVIL for awile and when I thought about making this thread, I certainly thought of WOS.

    Like I said I've known for quite awile about the PVIL (well the football part of it being listed on the UIL site and through other searches on the history of Texas high school football) and was hoping to get some perspective on why the teams aren't mentioned when discussing state champions...there may be reasons it isnt, of that I am not sure. Its just always been something I've wondered about.
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    Well thats pretty cool...I believe Dallas Washington is Booker T. Washington high school, which still exists and is now Booker T. Washington High School for Visual and Performing Arts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SLC View Post
    Good lord...The first thing that jumped off the page when I looked at that link you posted was Houston Yates was a beast in basketball as well....And Wheatly could ball as well.

    See this is the way the football...in fact all sports champs should be listed...right together with the UIL champs from that era..They were after all champions and no less a champion than the UIL teams were.
    Wheatly was CRAZY:
    1940-State Runner ups
    1941-State Runner ups
    1942-State Champs
    1948-State Champs
    1950-State Champs
    1951-State Champs
    1952-State Champs
    1953-State Champs
    1954-State Champs
    1955-State Champs
    1957-State Runner ups
    1958-State Champs
    1959-State Champs
    1961-State Champs
    1966-State Champs
    End of PVIL
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    1968-State Champs
    1969-State Champs
    1970-State Champs
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    1973-State Champs
    1978-State Champs
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    Quote Originally Posted by dada View Post
    Wheatly was CRAZY:
    1940-State Runner ups
    1941-State Runner ups
    1942-State Champs
    1948-State Champs
    1950-State Champs
    1951-State Champs
    1952-State Champs
    1953-State Champs
    1954-State Champs
    1955-State Champs
    1957-State Runner ups
    1958-State Champs
    1959-State Champs
    1961-State Champs
    1966-State Champs
    End of PVIL
    4A:
    1968-State Champs
    1969-State Champs
    1970-State Champs
    1971-State Runner ups
    1973-State Champs
    1978-State Champs

    Damn!!...17 state titles...is that the most of any team in the state?..Thats damn impressive.
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    My father played football, baseball, and ran track for Como High School, which is was in Fort Worth, from 1967-1969 (Class of 69 graduate). My mother was part of the last Como High graduating class, which was 1971. Como High was also in the PVIL, and competed in the same district with Kirkpatrick, Dunbar, Wichita Falls Booker T. Washington and I.M. Terrell. I'll talk to him tomorrow and get some info from him on the PVIL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dada View Post
    No problem...here are Basketball chamions:
    http://www.uil.utexas.edu/athletics/...champions.html
    I saw Mexia Dunbar on that list! I'm on the phone with my father now, and he just told me that former Philadelphia Eagles head coach Ray Rhodes, played football and ran track for them. Daddy says that Ray was an outstanding track star, and a great one on the gridiron.

    And, former Washington Redskin Charlie Taylor played his high school ball at Grand Prairie Dal-Worth.

    Bubba Smith also played in the PVIL for a school down around Houston but, he can't remember which school he went to.

    I'll get some more info when I get back on the phone with him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SLC View Post
    Why is it that when state championships are mentioned in terms of making it to them, winning them, losing them etc.. that those teams from '40 to '68 who were part of the PVIL are never mentioned, like the UIL teams are?

    And for those that dont know, the PVIL is the Prarie View Intershcolastic League. It was the negro league during the days of segregation.


    Like for instance when Houston Yates state titles and appearences are talked about, only the '81 team that lost to Lake Highlands and the '85 team that killed everyone are the teams that are mentioned. But Houston Yates actually played in 9 title games and won 5 when you count PVIL and UIL titles and appearences.


    Anyone have any thoughts as to why this is?
    More than likely it is because of why they had the PVIL in the first place, segregation.

    Glad you took the time to bring it to everyone's attention. Champion = Champion no matter what league they won in! We've come a long way since then!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew 2000 Eagle View Post
    I saw Mexia Dunbar on that list! I'm on the phone with my father now, and he just told me that former Philadelphia Eagles head coach Ray Rhodes, played football and ran track for them. Daddy says that Ray was an outstanding track star, and a great one on the gridiron.

    And, former Washington Redskin Charlie Taylor played his high school ball at Grand Prairie Dal-Worth.

    Bubba Smith also played in the PVIL for a school down around Houston but, he can't remember which school he went to.

    I'll get some more info when I get back on the phone with him.

    Wow...See I knew there was some hidden stories in there somewhere..I had a damn good feeling we would see some big names come out with the mentioning of this..Something tells me there were some greats from the basketball portion of the PVIL that may have likely played in the old ABA and quite possibly the NBA as well. And I know the great Mean Joe Greene played in the PVIL for Temple Dunbar high school.
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