All-Time Winning Teams

[SLCDad]

TEXAS ALL-TIME WINNING PERCENTAGE (MINIMUM 450 GAMES)
1. Odessa Permian (427-114-13) .7824
2. Southlake Carroll (366-126-8) .7400
3. Highland Park (658-238-27 .7275
4. Converse Judson (363-149-10) .7049
5. Groveton (577-245-34 .6939
6. Temple (667-282-52) .6923
7. Amarillo (676-299-22) .6890
8. La Marque (465-211-17) .6832
9. Plano (665-296-47) .6830
10. Refugio (545-250-31) .6785

CONSECUTIVE WINS ALL-TIME
CLASS 5-A
49-Abilene 1954-57
35-Austin Reagan, 1967-69
32-Katy, 1997-99 (forfeited 2-wins)
31-Southlake Carroll, 2002-2003
29-Plano, 1986-88
29-Lubbock, 1951-53
27-John Tyler, 1994-95
26-Galena Park North Shore, 2003-2004
26-Temple, 1979-80
26-John Tyler, 1972-74

CONSECUTIVE REGULAR SEASON WINS
72-Southlake Carroll, 1986-94
67-Austin Westlake, 1991-98
53-Big Sandy, 1970-76
50-Celina, 1998-2002
50-La Marque, 1991-96
50-Daingerfield, 1982-87
50-Temple, 1976-80
50-Cuero, 1971-76
49-Waco, 1921-26
46-Refugio, 1985-89

[dragons08]

how many conseutive regular season wins we have now?

[lonny23]

how many conseutive regular season wins we have now?
At least 30, but less than 40. It goes back to sometime in the 2001 season.

[dragons08]

At least 30, but less than 40. It goes back to sometime in the 2001 season.
36 maybe? i dont know why i think of that number, i heard it somewhere...

[dragonsdaddy]

30. we lost the last district game to boswell in 01. that's a good trivia ?

[SV05champs]

And this is from what year to what year? 1965-2004 Celina is .08086 Judson is .7262, what year did this info start from?


TEXAS ALL-TIME WINNING PERCENTAGE (MINIMUM 450 GAMES)
1. Odessa Permian (427-114-13) .7824
2. Southlake Carroll (366-126-8) .7400
3. Highland Park (658-238-27 .7275
4. Converse Judson (363-149-10) .7049
5. Groveton (577-245-34 .6939
6. Temple (667-282-52) .6923
7. Amarillo (676-299-22) .6890
8. La Marque (465-211-17) .6832
9. Plano (665-296-47) .6830
10. Refugio (545-250-31) .6785

CONSECUTIVE WINS ALL-TIME
CLASS 5-A
49-Abilene 1954-57
35-Austin Reagan, 1967-69
32-Katy, 1997-99 (forfeited 2-wins)
31-Southlake Carroll, 2002-2003
29-Plano, 1986-88
29-Lubbock, 1951-53
27-John Tyler, 1994-95
26-Galena Park North Shore, 2003-2004
26-Temple, 1979-80
26-John Tyler, 1972-74

CONSECUTIVE REGULAR SEASON WINS
72-Southlake Carroll, 1986-94
67-Austin Westlake, 1991-98
53-Big Sandy, 1970-76
50-Celina, 1998-2002
50-La Marque, 1991-96
50-Daingerfield, 1982-87
50-Temple, 1976-80
50-Cuero, 1971-76
49-Waco, 1921-26
46-Refugio, 1985-89

[dragonsdaddy]

these numbers are from the start of these schools existence, thus teams like plano and hp have hundreds more games than the newer schools like slc. celina and coju must have had some poor seasons before the years you mentioned.

[lonny23]

these numbers are from the start of these schools existence, thus teams like plano and hp have hundreds more games than the newer schools like slc. celina and coju must have had some poor seasons before the years you mentioned.
Judson has had plenty of bad seasons and they followed a pattern. They started in 1A and by time they got good enough to make the playoffs, they moved to 2A. It happened almost every time and it wasn't until 1977 that they could consistently have a winning record. They were in an almost constant flux for about 15 years moving from 1A to 4A. They struggled the most when they had to move up in class and the UIL hasn't figured out a way to kick them out of 5A yet! Judson would be #1 if they didn't have to include 1A to 3A and could take like the last 30 years in 4A and what became 5A.

[PowerPack'd]

Not to cry foul or anything, but the last time I looked Lufkin had the 7th or 8th most wins in the state of Texas. I don't know how many losses are attached to that (i.e. what our win percentage is). It could be a product of longevity and nothing else.

[wide-e-wide]

The ticker in front of Abe says 5th most.

[PowerPack'd]

The ticker in front of Abe says 5th most.

Thanks for the update, Wide.

I just ran the numbers on etsupersite. I came up with 566-301-36 for 0.627 winning percentage. This dates back to 1911, some of the records were incomplete, though.

[SV05champs]

Wow, when did SLC come into existance? I thought Judson and Permian had been around a lot longer than SLC... By the numbers Judson only was around about two years longer than SLC. I rthink Judson started in 1966, I assume southlake opened in 1968 or so? Permian began in 1959. yet they only played 54 more games than SLC, so 5 years more, so I assume SLC opened in 1963? But didnt have a football team until 1968 or so?


these numbers are from the start of these schools existence, thus teams like plano and hp have hundreds more games than the newer schools like slc. celina and coju must have had some poor seasons before the years you mentioned.

[Mad Hatter]

judson is a relitively young school compared to longview and marshall and waco and some others that have been around since the 40's

[Bootsdaddy]

judson is a relitively young school compared to longview and marshall and waco and some others that have been around since the 40's

Forties? Lufkin High was founded in 1901 and Longview and Marshall are even older I believe.

[lonny23]

OK, here's the Judson numbers:

11-8 in B from 62-63
18-22-2 in A from 64-67
15-24-2 in AA from 68-71
5-15-0 in AAA from 72-73
4-25-1 in AAAA from 74-76 and then they got good!

So far, we have 53-94-5 from 1962-1976.

Since 1977, 312-53-5 and that's a .850 winning %!

[SLCDad]

Judson has had plenty of bad seasons and they followed a pattern. They started in 1A and by time they got good enough to make the playoffs, they moved to 2A. It happened almost every time and it wasn't until 1977 that they could consistently have a winning record. They were in an almost constant flux for about 15 years moving from 1A to 4A. They struggled the most when they had to move up in class and the UIL hasn't figured out a way to kick them out of 5A yet! Judson would be #1 if they didn't have to include 1A to 3A and could take like the last 30 years in 4A and what became 5A.

And Judson is the only school to have been through this? Unfortunately you can't pick and choose which years to include or exclude.

[DiamondJ2]

Judson isn't the only school to jump from one level to another. Don't believe that was the point. Just pointing out how the rapid rise in enrollment made it difficult to compete and how, once Judson was in the highest classification, their winning percentage has been outstanding. An 80% winning percentage over 31 years in the highest classification is pretty impressive. I'm sure other schools can pick a consecutive 31 year period of time and have similar results

[dragonsdaddy]

slc's first football team was 1963 with a record of 2-7. we played masonic home, chico, aledo, alvord, perrin-whitt, coppell and aledo.

[SV05champs]

To make a point, every school either in the beginning or in the future will have times like these, including SLC. They will have a span where they will not win, happens to everyone.


Judson isn't the only school to jump from one level to another. Don't believe that was the point. Just pointing out how the rapid rise in enrollment made it difficult to compete and how, once Judson was in the highest classification, their winning percentage has been outstanding. An 80% winning percentage over 31 years in the highest classification is pretty impressive. I'm sure other schools can pick a consecutive 31 year period of time and have similar results

[dragonsdaddy]

i doubt that is the case for many schools. coju has an enviable record and no one is doubting it that i have seen.

[Slim-Rob]

OK, here's the Judson numbers:

11-8 in B from 62-63
18-22-2 in A from 64-67
15-24-2 in AA from 68-71
5-15-0 in AAA from 72-73
4-25-1 in AAAA from 74-76 and then they got good!

So far, we have 53-94-5 from 1962-1976.

Since 1977, 312-53-5 and that's a .850 winning %!

It figures SLC fans would attack you for talking about Judson.

It would be interesting to see what other schools have looked like over the last 31 years or since they started winning a lot.

[dragonsdaddy]

when coju gets attacked, let's talk. someone commented that since these numbers are from day 1, they reflect the good with the bad. rocket fan made a comment about not having to count the bad years. those records are kept too, but this isn't it. start your own thread about the best 31 years record and it'll look better, as will some others i bet.

[DiamondJ2]

I already made reference to that in an earlier post, dragon'sdaddy.

[dragonsdaddy]

I already may reference to that in an earlier post, dragon'sdaddy.
i was referencing trn. no harm no foul. he may have been referencing another post too, for all i know. i had been giving the coju their props.

[wide-e-wide]

Who the hell is coju?
JT is cujo...

[Eagle81]

when coju gets attacked, let's talk. someone commented that since these numbers are from day 1, they reflect the good with the bad. rocket fan made a comment about not having to count the bad years. those records are kept too, but this isn't it. start your own thread about the best 31 years record and it'll look better, as will some others i bet.


No doubt. Let's throw away Abilene High's record from 1960 to 1998. If throwing out bad years.

[jrdaniel]

Who the hell is coju?
JT is cujo...
It took me a while too as I have never seen it except on this message board. I believe it refers to COnverse JUdson. Maybe a little play on the cujo name to shorten what they type? Kids these days and their crazy internet lingo! ;) Most around these parts just call em Judson, like Southlake Carroll is just called Carroll up near Dallas.

[SLCDad]

Judson isn't the only school to jump from one level to another. Don't believe that was the point. Just pointing out how the rapid rise in enrollment made it difficult to compete . . . .

Yes, it is difficult to compete when a school moves up, but it's also an advantage when they have been in a classification for many years and are twice as big as many of their opponents.

[dragonsdaddy]

rapidly growing teams are usually bigger than their district opponents for the 2 years before the next reclassification, and the upgrade. that may be an advantage. it certainly shouldn't hurt. i don't know this for sure, but i'd bet the rise to preeminence at coju probably had more to do with the hiring of dw than anything else. they certainly would have been successful in the lower classes had he been enscounced earlier.

[dragonsdaddy]

Who the hell is coju?
JT is cujo...

btw, what the heck is a cujo and why is jt called that? at least the coju makes sense. as lazy as i am, i started the coju to save a few strokes.

[Favpack]

Your abbrev's are classic DD - took me awhile to figure out who Fridge was - (Keller Fossil Ridge) - I thought you were talking about the Bears teams from the mid-80's -lol

I think Cujo is in the same mold as Mojo - but I could be wrong.

[Favpack]

If Abilene High had just been decent from the mid 1960's to early 1990's - they'd be up there. Lest we not forget though, they were never the same after Cooper opened up in 1960.

[wide-e-wide]

btw, what the heck is a cujo and why is jt called that? at least the coju makes sense. as lazy as i am, i started the coju to save a few strokes.

If you played John Tyler in the late 80's or early 90's you would know why they call themselves CUJO....I have never heard of coju...what is that?

[mrcoffee22]

If you played John Tyler in the late 80's or early 90's you would know why they call themselves CUJO....I have never heard of coju...what is that?

The only CUJO that Ive ever heard of is the book, Cujo by Stephen King about a killer dog.

[wide-e-wide]

Poor deprived North Texans....how could you be that close to Tyler and not know who CUJO is. Besides the fact that in the most memorable HS football game in history....THEY HAD IT ON THEIR FREAKIN' JERSEYS...c'mon dawg...'yall know what CUJO is....

[mrcoffee22]

Yea well, at least you know I can read right?

[dragons08]

the only cujo i know, is curtis joseph, goalie for phoniex this year i belive..

[dragonsdaddy]

wide since you seem to know, and we didn't have the opportunity to play jt then, just gives us the dang answer.

[dragons08]

wide since you seem to know, and we didn't have the opportunity to play jt then, just gives us the dang answer.
he wants to brag about how he knows and we dont, i would do the same thing..

[dragonsdaddy]

the only other cujo i remember was a character in roots.

[dragons08]

the only other cujo i remember was a character in roots.
roots, isnt that candien clothes?

[dragonsdaddy]

it's canadian, and you aren't old enough for this conversation. :p

[dragons08]

it's canadian, and you aren't old enough for this conversation. :p
ahh i know where this is headed..

[dragonsdaddy]

if you don't automatically think of the movie, roots when that word is typed, you are too young.

[drgnbkr]

Ahh....Kunta kinta....

[wide-e-wide]

That's right Kunta Kinte...dude was a lot stronger than I would have been...I would have been like Toby?...okay that's cool...I always liked the name Toby.

I sincerely wasn't trying to be a smart@ really I wasn't...I just didn't know what coju was...still don't?
But in one of the most famous and memorable games in the history of HS football in Texas...John Tyler had the word CUJO on the front of their uni's...you guys never caught that? That was my point. The fact that everyone on here claims to know HS football...yet in the most televised and talked about game in the history of the state...nobody saw CUJO on JT's uni's....?????? That's all....I don't claim to know itall...but I do know that much...and most of the people on here know it as well...start a thread entitled simply "CUJO" and watch what people post about...it won't be Stephen King.

If I knew everything...I would know who cujo was in Roots....I don't remember that....was he one of Chicken George's cousins or what?

[The Dude]

Who did Cujo play that game? I'm too young to be remembering games from then I'm just starting college this fall, but I heard somewhere that Cujo came from a playoff of "mojo" and that JT beat permian in their good days and "stole their mojo" and turned into "Cujo"...that may have been just totally made up so please clarify and give some details.

[wide-e-wide]

Kinda like that...It is a Permian rip-off. There is only one MOJO we all know that...The game was against Plano East.

[lonny23]

And Judson is the only school to have been through this? Unfortunately you can't pick and choose which years to include or exclude.
No, other schools do the same thing, but I'm not aware that any of them had as rapid of a rise from B to 4A. If I was to post yearly numbers, you'd see that they were fighting an uphill battle for about 13 years. SLC did not rise nearly as fast as Judson did and that makes a difference.

[lonny23]

rapidly growing teams are usually bigger than their district opponents for the 2 years before the next reclassification, and the upgrade. that may be an advantage. it certainly shouldn't hurt. i don't know this for sure, but i'd bet the rise to preeminence at coju probably had more to do with the hiring of dw than anything else. they certainly would have been successful in the lower classes had he been enscounced earlier.
It was a combination of many great people on the coaching staff at the same time. You normally have an advantage right before moving up, but like I said, Judson was getting 2-4 years in each class and getting kicked out.

I didn't say it before, but I will now. I don't care that Judson isn't the #1 team for winning % all time because they are the best team all-time in Texas. That was the point about me saying that they're playing .850 ball since 1977. Judson was winning long before they got up over 4000 students.

[lonny23]

Poor deprived North Texans....how could you be that close to Tyler and not know who CUJO is. Besides the fact that in the most memorable HS football game in history....THEY HAD IT ON THEIR FREAKIN' JERSEYS...c'mon dawg...'yall know what CUJO is....
I always thought it was stupid and still do.

I don't like Mojo, Cujo, Coju, or Soju (Rice wine in Korea for those who don't know!)

[lonny23]

he wants to brag about how he knows and we dont, i would do the same thing..
It's nothing to brag about, but it's a shame. Anybody that's a fan of a certain sport, owes it to themselves to be aware of the sport's past history. You learn for the future from the past. Curtis Joseph has always been Cujo, but Allen Wilson decided to call the John Tyler Lions, CUJO after he left Paris and went to JT. Knowing that Cujo was a dog, I thought it was stupid and shallow to call his team that. A nickname should correlate somewhat with the original name and MOJO has nothing to do with a Panther. It took a minute for me to figure out what Coju was and I was clueless about Fridge, too.

[Eagle81]

If Abilene High had just been decent from the mid 1960's to early 1990's - they'd be up there. Lest we not forget though, they were never the same after Cooper opened up in 1960.

Watch me take this thread to a whole different direction. Especially after JTK reads this.

We were not the same after Cooper opened but we're in the process of manipulating the school boundries in Abilene so that Abilene High ends up with all the athletic talent in the the city and we can regain our spot as the states most dominant team.

[dada]

The only CUJO that Ive ever heard of is the book, Cujo by Stephen King about a killer dog.
Good Movie too ;)

[dragonsdaddy]

No, other schools do the same thing, but I'm not aware that any of them had as rapid of a rise from B to 4A. If I was to post yearly numbers, you'd see that they were fighting an uphill battle for about 13 years. SLC did not rise nearly as fast as Judson did and that makes a difference.
plano went from 2a to 4a in 4 years, and won titles in all 3 within 11 years(67, 71, and 77). they certainly handled the growth better than any other team had before or since.

[dada]

I always thought it was stupid and still do.

I don't like Mojo, Cujo, Coju, or Soju (Rice wine in Korea for those who don't know!)
SOJU??? I have some SOJU stories.....Lonny what do you know about "OB"?

[dada]

http://www.webspawner.com/users/cujoera/

[lonny23]

plano went from 2a to 4a in 4 years, and won titles in all 3 within 11 years(67, 71, and 77). they certainly handled the growth better than any other team had before or since.
That's true. I forgot about Plano's 2A and 3A titles. They're good ammo when I want to say, "see Plano isn't the best team all time because they won titles in a lower classification!" I think I said that about another team, but can't remember who. ;)

[lonny23]

SOJU??? I have some SOJU stories.....Lonny what do you know about "OB"?
I don't drink, but a lot of people drink OB and Cass beer. Most of them load up on the soju, though.

[RedRage00]

Judson isn't the best team of all time Lonny...get over it. They are definantly top 5...jump off the wagon lonny lol

RR

[dragonsdaddy]

plano's first title was our first year in plano-1965. what a way to hook a fan for life.

[wide-e-wide]

Is somebody gonna tell me what the hell coju is?
It's driving me nuts...

[dragonsdaddy]

someone did earlier. it is the shortcut to COnverse JUdson. pretty slick, huh. and fridge is fossil ridge hs in keller isd.

[dada]

I don't drink, but a lot of people drink OB and Cass beer. Most of them load up on the soju, though.
OB was the Korean Budweiser

[wide-e-wide]

I thought OB was a feminine hygeine product?....

[drgnbkr]

I thought OB was a feminine hygeine product?....

No your thinking of Gyn.....

[jrdaniel]

http://www.obtampons.com/images/inline_multi-pack.jpg

[dragonsdaddy]

jr, that way yonder more info than we need on this site.

[jrdaniel]

Not sure, some act like they need em quite often...

[Mojoram]

It's nothing to brag about, but it's a shame. Anybody that's a fan of a certain sport, owes it to themselves to be aware of the sport's past history. You learn for the future from the past. Curtis Joseph has always been Cujo, but Allen Wilson decided to call the John Tyler Lions, CUJO after he left Paris and went to JT. Knowing that Cujo was a dog, I thought it was stupid and shallow to call his team that. A nickname should correlate somewhat with the original name and MOJO has nothing to do with a Panther. It took a minute for me to figure out what Coju was and I was clueless about Fridge, too.


"Mojo" is assoctiated with black magic. Permian's color is black, the mascot is a black panther. The Mojo chant at games is supposed to bring luck to the black panthers.

[wide-e-wide]

Black Panthers...fight the power!!
Free Huey...Free Huey...
The white man is trying to hold them down...
so the Panthers are gonna take care of that....
Fight the power!!!!

[wide-e-wide]

http://www.obtampons.com/images/inline_multi-pack.jpg

Yet another first that can be blamed on Wideman....femininie hygeine products on a football site. I am an original...there's no doubt about that.

[drgnbkr]

You are a wide load, certified, one of a kind!

[implacable44]

well yeah we struggled in the beginning - mostly it was a rural farm school - but of course now we have 6 count em up - 5a state championships - and SLCDAD what is your obsession with posting all these ridiculous numbers that include 3a 41 and lower results for SLC to try and prove how good they are as a program ? you do know this is the 5a message board?

[dragonfootballfan]

well yeah we struggled in the beginning - mostly it was a rural farm school - but of course now we have 6 count em up - 5a state championships - and SLCDAD what is your obsession with posting all these ridiculous numbers that include 3a 41 and lower results for SLC to try and prove how good they are as a program ? you do know this is the 5a message board?
I wish he would post a link with his source though.

[implacable44]

you are truly requesting a source to know we have those state titles ? - okay here is the link 5atexasfootball.com -- idiot

[Mr_Lucci]

Southlake Carroll fans are unbelievable You guys act like you have 6 state titles. I am a Judson fan and I don't even act like that. You don't see me going around and starting threads about how many titles we have. You guys need to step back and take a look at yourselves. Stop living your life through those kids and that football team. As a matter of fact get a life.

[SLCDad]

well yeah we struggled in the beginning - mostly it was a rural farm school - but of course now we have 6 count em up - 5a state championships - and SLCDAD what is your obsession with posting all these ridiculous numbers that include 3a 41 and lower results for SLC to try and prove how good they are as a program ? you do know this is the 5a message board?Again, being a jerk. I posted this well over a month ago and then linked to it when somebody specifically asked a question. regarding these numbers. It seems that you are the one that has the obsession. Always assuming the worst and always the first to start the name calling. Grow up my friend!!

[SLCDad]

Southlake Carroll fans are unbelievable You guys act like you have 6 state titles. I am a Judson fan and I don't even act like that. You don't see me going around and starting threads about how many titles we have. You guys need to step back and take a look at yourselves. Stop living your life through those kids and that football team. As a matter of fact get a life. This thread was started to show the all time winningest football progams in Texas. Nothing more.

SLC has 5 state titles, has played more playoff games and has a higher winning percentage than Judson. Not to mention the MUCH higher academic results and the MUCH better overall athletic program. Not only that, unlike Judson, SLC has achieved these results without having to beat up on schools half their size.

[drgnbkr]

Southlake Carroll fans are unbelievable You guys act like you have 6 state titles. I am a Judson fan and I don't even act like that. You don't see me going around and starting threads about how many titles we have. You guys need to step back and take a look at yourselves. Stop living your life through those kids and that football team. As a matter of fact get a life.

Um...we don't actually play the games on this board...we like..just talk about them.... :D

[dragonfootballfan]

you are truly requesting a source to know we have those state titles ? - okay here is the link 5atexasfootball.com -- idiot
I am sorry, but I meant that I wanted a source from SLCDAD of where he got his numbers. I don't need proof of Judson's titles. Sorry for the confusion

[Mr_Lucci]

SLC has 5 state titles, has played more playoff games and has a higher winning percentage than Judson blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah bl;ah blah blah blah.................


As you can see you are in the 5A Texas football forum. How many of those titles are 5-A. And it is just like you to hate on thee premiere football program in this state. Don't hate the player hate the game. All that matters are titles and 5-A titles at that. And why is it that anytime someone disagrees with your likeminded way of thinking you are quick to jump all over them. Not everyone wants to be a part of your good 'ol boy mentality. Besides I am sure that football isn't all that your life revolves around. I am sure you love your nascar and pro rodeo too. Yee Haw !!!!!!! :eek:

Man I can be such an a**hole when provoked ! LOL

[drgnbkr]

As you can see you are in the 5A Texas football forum. How many of those titles are 5-A. And it is just like you to hate on thee premiere football program in this state. Don't hate the player hate the game. All that matters are titles and 5-A titles at that. And why is it that anytime someone disagrees with your likeminded way of thinking you are quick to jump all over them. Not everyone wants to be a part of your good 'ol boy mentality. Besides I am sure that football isn't all that your life revolves around. I am sure you love your nascar and pro rodeo too. Yee Haw !!!!!!! :eek:

Man I can be such an a**hole when provoked ! LOL

I would appear that you arrived provoked...your candor with the self analysis is refreshing...... :rolleyes:

[SLCDad]

As you can see you are in the 5A Texas football forum. How many of those titles are 5-A. And it is just like you to hate on thee premiere football program in this state. Don't hate the player hate the game. All that matters are titles and 5-A titles at that. And why is it that anytime someone disagrees with your likeminded way of thinking you are quick to jump all over them. Not everyone wants to be a part of your good 'ol boy mentality. Besides I am sure that football isn't all that your life revolves around. I am sure you love your nascar and pro rodeo too. Yee Haw !!!!!!! :eek:

Man I can be such an a**hole when provoked ! LOL
No one provoked you. I posted the all time winningest teams and you felt threatened because Judson wasn't #1.

Yes, if you ONLY count all time 5A titles then Judson is #1. However, SLC's 5A record after only 3 years in 5A is superior to any three year period for Judson. Further, SLC's all time winning percentage is better than Judson's. SLC has played more playoff games than Judson. SLC on averge goes deeper into the playoffs than Judson. SLC has a MUCH better all around athletic program than Judson. SLC's academic results are MUCH better than Judson's. SLC's 3 year record in 5A is unmatched by anyone over any 3 year period in Texas history.

All of this has been done by a school that is small for a 5A school. Judson was a loser in the lower classifications when they had to compete against schools their same size. Judson didn't really start winning until they were much larger than most of their competion.

EVERYTHING that I stated above is true. Face it. (If you want the documentation for any of this, just ask.)

As for your personal attacks, they are unbelievably stupid and, frankly, bigoted. Most attacks like this reflect more on the person making the attack than the person targeted.

[ktCarl]

I guess it wouldn't help if Katy counted it's 1959 1A Title.