Hoover, AL overrated...

[BigFanSLC]

after watching them on that stupid MTV show..... i know any top 5A school from Texas would **** them

[stevefoxsc]

well unless there a team of females i don't think many teams would want to bother unless they had the one odd guy :cool: i think they would be a top 20 or 15 possibly 10 but thats me.

[FeeltheHaka]

after watching them on that stupid MTV show..... i know any top 5A school from Texas would **** them

I agree.

[the_pack]

I wasn't very impressed with Hoover after I watched the show either. Lufkin, Carroll, North Shore, Garland, and others could definately take this team.

I cannot stand to watch that show. Last night, while watching MTV, a commercial came on about the new episode, and it was all about one of the little pretty boy players and his girlfriend or something.:mad:

[BAMF cowboy]

im sure you already know, but that show was taped last season

but yes, hoover could not compete with texas teams

[pack0808]

I think the show is fairly interesting and entertaining besides the teenage soap opera drama parts. That should be expected with Mtv. They look like a solid program nationally and I am sure they would be a top 10 Texas team.

[backthepack]

Take a show like Laguna Beach or the "Real World" and throw a football team in it and hey what do you know, its Hoover, Alabama!

[drgnbkr]

Hey, like the show or not, High School Football is getting more and more attention...How Hoover would fair against the Texas teams can only be answered by playing a game...Carroll & lufkin are playing Eangel this year, Carroll takes on Delasalle next year..maybe Hoover will come over and get a taste...who knows?

[DonCorleone]

I think Hoover is going to get a taste of what Louisiana HS football is all about this year. John Curtis is playing them and Curtis is loaded. I think Curtis has as good a chance to beat them as anybody. When ECA played them, ECA was just a shell of themselves and they played them pretty tough. I look for Curtis to beat them.

[sportsfreak-2006]

I wasn't very impressed with Hoover after I watched the show either. Lufkin, Carroll, North Shore, Garland, and others could definately take this team.

I cannot stand to watch that show. Last night, while watching MTV, a commercial came on about the new episode, and it was all about one of the little pretty boy players and his girlfriend or something.:mad:

Hmm, I know for a fact that Southlake and Lufkin doesn't have any pretty boy players.....:confused: ... And I'm sure they would get beat this year by 5A texas schools because many of their good players are gone from last year. Watch FSN this weekend, we'll see what they're made of when they take on Tulsa Union in Oklahoma.

[pack0808]

I think Hoover is going to get a taste of what Louisiana HS football is all about this year. John Curtis is playing them and Curtis is loaded. I think Curtis has as good a chance to beat them as anybody. When ECA played them, ECA was just a shell of themselves and they played them pretty tough. I look for Curtis to beat them.


Yeah didn't Evangel only lose by like 7 points? 17-10 or something?

[DonCorleone]

Yeah didn't Evangel only lose by like 7 points? 17-10 or something?

Yeah, it wasn't that bad. I think Hoovers problem is there is no competition. Daphne is the only team that can hang with them. I think Daphne beat them a few years ago and went on to take state. That is why Hoover is going out of state to play. They want to find where they measure up.

[pack98]

Hoover will get beat by Tulsa Union this Friday night.


GO PACK

[Texasfrog]

Yeah didn't Evangel only lose by like 7 points? 17-10 or something?

ECA lost to Hoover in Alabama and the score was like 27-21. It was like a 7 pt difference.

I saw a DVD copy of the game. All I'll say is there was about 5 extremely questionable "CALLS" in the game that favored Hoover.

There was like two pass interference calls that were totally 100% BS against ECA that continued scoring drives for Hoover. I also think both those calls were on 4th down so Hoover's drive was over but "Thank God" for the pass interference calls that ended up giving them 14 pts.

Longview played ECA like two weeks before later and beat ECA like 45-28. Longview wasnt even a top #10 in Texas that season.

If Hoover played fulltime in Texas they would be just another one of about 20 very good High school teams. Nothing more , nothing less.

[Texasfrog]

Yeah, it wasn't that bad. I think Hoovers problem is there is no competition. Daphne is the only team that can hang with them. I think Daphne beat them a few years ago and went on to take state. That is why Hoover is going out of state to play. They want to find where they measure up.

Pretty much "right on." Hoover dominates Alabama competition. Daphne and one other team (cant remember the name) has beaten them in the last 5 years. Hoover pretty much dominates 99.9% of the teams in Alabama.

There coach (who is a total JERK) screams and yells all the time that he wants a "National Title." I cant believe some coaches actually believe those things are 100% legit. But, he believes they are.

So, he has planned his schedule to include a couple of bigger names (Out of State) schools for games to give hils team a greater shot at the Mythical National Title.

PS. I think John Curtis will probably beat them. If John Curtis gets their running game going on all cyclinders it's over. They will control the clock and keep Hoover off the field.

[Texasfrog]

Hoover will get beat by Tulsa Union this Friday night.


GO PACK

Tulsa Union is kinda of an unknown this season. They have a new coach bringing in a new offense scheme.

Probably the biggest advantage "overall" is the game is at Tulsa Union. They have great fan support and I'm sure that will give Hoover some headaches.

PS. Hoover has never really taken their team "on the road" like this. I'm sure the travel and being in-front of 1,000's of "haters" will bother them some.

[slc1knight]

For what it is worth, I was reading the Mobile Register and came across an article about Hoover by a writer named Randy Kennedy. He was calling into question the Hoover program and win at all costs.

The interesting thing was his reference to former SLC quarterback Greg McElroy -

" On Saturday night at the Cramton Bowl, the Buccaneers took their ever-expanding show on the road for the first time since the series premiered Wednesday night and since they were voted the No. 1 high school football team in the country by both Sports Illustrated and USA Today.

The unprecedented attention for a high school team -- quarterback Ross Wilson was pictured five times in the most recent SI, including a cover shot -- did nothing to derail the Bucs' play on the field. Wilson passed for 270 yards in the first half to stake Hoover to a 31-0 halftime lead against a UMS-Wright.

Alabama freshman quarterback Greg McElroy was at the game sporting a UMS-Wright T-shirt in support of the alma mater of his Crimson Tide teammate Preston Dial. Even McElroy, who quarterbacked powerhouse South Lake High to the Texas big school championship last year, had to admit that Hoover may very well be in a class by themselves compared to the country's best high school teams. "

Now McElroy is one of the nicest kids you will ever meet so maybe he was just being nice - you wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of the locals - but it would be interesting to if he really meant it.

[CKE]

For what it is worth, I was reading the Mobile Register and came across an article about Hoover by a writer named Randy Kennedy. He was calling into question the Hoover program and win at all costs.

The interesting thing was his reference to former SLC quarterback Greg McElroy -

" On Saturday night at the Cramton Bowl, the Buccaneers took their ever-expanding show on the road for the first time since the series premiered Wednesday night and since they were voted the No. 1 high school football team in the country by both Sports Illustrated and USA Today.

The unprecedented attention for a high school team -- quarterback Ross Wilson was pictured five times in the most recent SI, including a cover shot -- did nothing to derail the Bucs' play on the field. Wilson passed for 270 yards in the first half to stake Hoover to a 31-0 halftime lead against a UMS-Wright.

Alabama freshman quarterback Greg McElroy was at the game sporting a UMS-Wright T-shirt in support of the alma mater of his Crimson Tide teammate Preston Dial. Even McElroy, who quarterbacked powerhouse South Lake High to the Texas big school championship last year, had to admit that Hoover may very well be in a class by themselves compared to the country's best high school teams. "

Now McElroy is one of the nicest kids you will ever meet so maybe he was just being nice - you wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of the locals - but it would be interesting to if he really meant it.



Eryk Anders from Sv plays for Alabama and he said that the crimson tide is the biggest thing going on for them since they didnt have an NFL team. Like you said he proly doesnt want to get on the wronge side of the whole state and from what I heard McElroy is a smart kid no point on doing dumb things now.

[mavsalumni#4]

Hey, like the show or not, High School Football is getting more and more attention...How Hoover would fair against the Texas teams can only be answered by playing a game...Carroll & lufkin are playing Eangel this year, Carroll takes on Delasalle next year..maybe Hoover will come over and get a taste...who knows?
is the carroll and delasalle game gonna be on t.v.?

[bryanvikings]

after watching them on that stupid MTV show..... i know any top 5A school from Texas would **** them
thats true

[G-WHAT06]

after watching them on that stupid MTV show..... i know any top 5A school from Texas would **** them

Agreed.

[KatyMachine]

....straight from the horses mouth. I played ball when I was a soph at 6A Theodore in 94. Thoedore located in the Mobile area id considered a LARGE 6A school. Our enrollement was 1,993. I can tell you that Hoover's enrollment cn'y be too much bigger. There's great INDIVIDUAL talent in Alabama,but team wise....they'd better twice about stepping on the field with a Texas team.

I can say this. Hoover would do well in an outlying district..somewhere in the country. they may go 8-2,9-1...maybe even 10-0. I don't think they could compete in the Metroplex, Definately not in Houston...maybe Austin metro. They'd be lucky to go 2nd/3rd round.

Another thing...the longest a team will play in Alabama is like the first week of December. There are no scrimmages before the season in Alabama. 14-0. I don't think those guys would have the heart and guts to play a 16 game season here.

and that safety Max #34...whats up with him..was it me or was this guy more worried about being the next Leonardo DiCaprio look-alike:rolleyes:

[rancher52]

....straight from the horses mouth. I played ball when I was a soph at 6A Theodore in 94. Thoedore located in the Mobile area id considered a LARGE 6A school. Our enrollement was 1,993. I can tell you that Hoover's enrollment cn'y be too much bigger. There's great INDIVIDUAL talent in Alabama,but team wise....they'd better twice about stepping on the field with a Texas team.

I can say this. Hoover would do well in an outlying district..somewhere in the country. they may go 8-2,9-1...maybe even 10-0. I don't think they could compete in the Metroplex, Definately not in Houston...maybe Austin metro. They'd be lucky to go 2nd/3rd round.

Another thing...the longest a team will play in Alabama is like the first week of December. There are no scrimmages before the season in Alabama. 14-0. I don't think those guys would have the heart and guts to play a 16 game season here.

and that safety Max #34...whats up with him..was it me or was this guy more worried about being the next Leonardo DiCaprio look-alike:rolleyes:

According to http://www.ahsaa.com/classifications/Display.asp?Era=5&ClassKey=6 the enrollment for the Hoover used in re-alignment was 1639 and they are the 3rd largest school. The largest, Bob Jones, is 1751. I believe these are 10-12. I think most if not all high schools in Alabama do not place 9th grade in the high school. BTW, they had a loss last year so they played 15 games... and were 14-1.

[yankee]

is the carroll and delasalle game gonna be on t.v.?
there's no reason why it wouldn't be....throwing two national powehouses at each other, and not televise it. in fact, it'll be in smu's ford stadium...big game...

[grayowl60]

According to http://www.ahsaa.com/classifications/Display.asp?Era=5&ClassKey=6 the enrollment for the Hoover used in re-alignment was 1639 and they are the 3rd largest school. The largest, Bob Jones, is 1751. I believe these are 10-12. I think most if not all high schools in Alabama do not place 9th grade in the high school.
If they counted freshmen as Teaxs does that would make them 2200 to 2600, or small to medium 5A. About what I thought.

[rancher52]

Speaking of classification comparisons, I did this for the 4 largest classes in TX, Fl, Al & SC... hope I can get this to work:
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m282/txrancher/forums/HSClassifications.jpg

[KatyMachine]

Rancher52...thansk for that link. I see my old school theodore dropped off in enrollment. I ment to say then they were considered one of the largest in the Mobile area..Murphy being the Largest.

9th grade is counted in with 10-12. Thats a fact. I'd never SEEN or Heard of a 9th center until moving to Texas. Some of these 9th grade centers here could be a 6A school there.

GrayOWL60 trust me...there are NO schools in Alabama approaching 2100-2200 enrollment. I've personally seen alot of these campuses. Don't let that
6A classification fool you.

[KatyMachine]

Rancher52..thanks for that info..I didn't think they had schools so large in South Carolina

[rancher52]

Rancher52...thansk for that link. I see my old school theodore dropped off in enrollment. I ment to say then they were considered one of the largest in the Mobile area..Murphy being the Largest.

9th grade is counted in with 10-12. Thats a fact. I'd never SEEN or Heard of a 9th center until moving to Texas. Some of these 9th grade centers here could be a 6A school there.

GrayOWL60 trust me...there are NO schools in Alabama approaching 2100-2200 enrollment. I've personally seen alot of these campuses. Don't let that
6A classification fool you.

I can find it on the site if you wish, but the counts are said to be 10-12 plus 9th grade "hold backs"... not sure exactly what a hold back is, but that is the language used.

[grayowl60]

Rancher52...thansk for that link. I see my old school theodore dropped off in enrollment. I ment to say then they were considered one of the largest in the Mobile area..Murphy being the Largest.

9th grade is counted in with 10-12. Thats a fact. I'd never SEEN or Heard of a 9th center until moving to Texas. Some of these 9th grade centers here could be a 6A school there.

GrayOWL60 trust me...there are NO schools in Alabama approaching 2100-2200 enrollment. I've personally seen alot of these campuses. Don't let that
6A classification fool you.
Didnt say they were on campus. If you take the total in 10 to 12, divided by three, and add that number to the 10 to 12 number, thats about what a 9 to 12 count would be.

[KatyMachine]

thats ok...thanks for the info provided. "Hold Backs" how "Alabama" of them. I can tell you the I was born and raised in Boston..the one year I spent in Alabama and then coming here was an eye-opener.

[rancher52]

Katymachine - if you are interested in the method of classification go to the link I provided and from that page find the "2006 Fall Sports Book" link to the right. When that opens locate page 3 in the Football section. My Adobe won't let me cut and paste it.

[dragons08]

is the carroll and delasalle game gonna be on t.v.?
yep, ESPN as well

[dragons08]

so there was nothing on last night, so i decided to watch more than 2 min, of this show, i watched about 10-15, man are those kids cocky "nobody works as hard as us, we deserve state, and when we win, its all deserving" blah blah blah blah

now i dont wanna throw stuff out there, but i WONDER if they asked carroll if they wanted to do this, and it was decided against, because, its a huge distraction and obviously makes the heads bigger

[Texasfrog]

According to http://www.ahsaa.com/classifications/Display.asp?Era=5&ClassKey=6 the enrollment for the Hoover used in re-alignment was 1639 and they are the 3rd largest school. The largest, Bob Jones, is 1751. I believe these are 10-12. I think most if not all high schools in Alabama do not place 9th grade in the high school. BTW, they had a loss last year so they played 15 games... and were 14-1.

Alabama counts all 4 grades in the enrollment figures. Those numbers are
9th-12th grade projections numbers.

Basically when its all said and done. Alabama has a few schools that would basically compete in Texas 4A (950-1,984) numbers.

[dragonsdaddy]

For what it is worth, I was reading the Mobile Register and came across an article about Hoover by a writer named Randy Kennedy. He was calling into question the Hoover program and win at all costs.

The interesting thing was his reference to former SLC quarterback Greg McElroy -

" On Saturday night at the Cramton Bowl, the Buccaneers took their ever-expanding show on the road for the first time since the series premiered Wednesday night and since they were voted the No. 1 high school football team in the country by both Sports Illustrated and USA Today.

The unprecedented attention for a high school team -- quarterback Ross Wilson was pictured five times in the most recent SI, including a cover shot -- did nothing to derail the Bucs' play on the field. Wilson passed for 270 yards in the first half to stake Hoover to a 31-0 halftime lead against a UMS-Wright.

Alabama freshman quarterback Greg McElroy was at the game sporting a UMS-Wright T-shirt in support of the alma mater of his Crimson Tide teammate Preston Dial. Even McElroy, who quarterbacked powerhouse South Lake High to the Texas big school championship last year, had to admit that Hoover may very well be in a class by themselves compared to the country's best high school teams. "

Now McElroy is one of the nicest kids you will ever meet so maybe he was just being nice - you wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of the locals - but it would be interesting to if he really meant it.
from the horse's mouth- they are very good, and would compete at the highest level in texas. wish he could have played them last year. would be in the top 5 here.

[dragonbuck]

....straight from the horses mouth. I played ball when I was a soph at 6A Theodore in 94. Thoedore located in the Mobile area id considered a LARGE 6A school. Our enrollement was 1,993. I can tell you that Hoover's enrollment cn'y be too much bigger. There's great INDIVIDUAL talent in Alabama,but team wise....they'd better twice about stepping on the field with a Texas team.

I can say this. Hoover would do well in an outlying district..somewhere in the country. they may go 8-2,9-1...maybe even 10-0. I don't think they could compete in the Metroplex, Definately not in Houston...maybe Austin metro. They'd be lucky to go 2nd/3rd round.

Another thing...the longest a team will play in Alabama is like the first week of December. There are no scrimmages before the season in Alabama. 14-0. I don't think those guys would have the heart and guts to play a 16 game season here.

and that safety Max #34...whats up with him..was it me or was this guy more worried about being the next Leonardo DiCaprio look-alike:rolleyes:


KT,
I find your remarks amusing with potentially a Houston bias? You said that Hoover would do well in the outlying areas, didn't think they would do well in the Metroplex, but Definitely not do well in Houston. Not to be a Knit picker, but didn't the Metroplex dominate the state last year in the playoffs with nearlay all champs coming from DFW? With my DFW bias, I would say that if they would definitely not do well in the Houston area, then there is no way in hell they would do well in the DFW area. How's that for bias?

I understand your point and look forward to seeing them play Tulsa this week. I hope Union kicks them all the way back to Alabama.

[dragonsdaddy]

after watching them and their coach last season, i'm hoping for several more losses. if tu doesn't take them down, and neither does john curtis, it may not happen. were i a hoover fan and insider, i'd be wanting to know how "winning" a national championship was so all-fired important. beauty pagents and football games should stay mutually exclusive, imo.

[dragonbuck]

after watching them and their coach last season, i'm hoping for several more losses. if tu doesn't take them down, and neither does john curtis, it may not happen. were i a hoover fan and insider, i'd be wanting to know how "winning" a national championship waqs so all-fired important. beauty pagents and football games should stay mutually exclusive, imo.

Seems to me that they are focused on an end result (mythical) , but may not be willing to take it one game at a time. Cart before the horse, so to speak

[Texasfrog]

after watching them and their coach last season, i'm hoping for several more losses. if tu doesn't take them down, and neither does john curtis, it may not happen. were i a hoover fan and insider, i'd be wanting to know how "winning" a national championship was so all-fired important. beauty pagents and football games should stay mutually exclusive, imo.

My best friend coaches in Alabama. He has been telling me about Hoover's coach (Probst) for about 6 years now. From everything I've heard over the years the guy is the most "arrogant" dude on the planet earth and pretty much things he walks on water.

I've seen about 6 Hoover games and the guy is a total jerk on the sidelines. He screams at everyone after almost every play and pretty much stays in the "officials" ear the whole game.

I'm praying that Tulsa Union can beat them. If not I'm rooting bigtime for John Curtis.

[Texasfrog]

after watching them and their coach last season, i'm hoping for several more losses. if tu doesn't take them down, and neither does john curtis, it may not happen. were i a hoover fan and insider, i'd be wanting to know how "winning" a national championship was so all-fired important. beauty pagents and football games should stay mutually exclusive, imo.

My best friend coaches in Alabama. He has been telling me about Hoover's coach (Probst) for about 6 years now. From everything I've heard over the years the guy is the most "arrogant" dude on the planet earth and pretty much things he walks on water.

I've seen about 6 Hoover games and the guy is a total jerk on the sidelines. He screams at everyone after almost every play and pretty much stays in the "officials" ear the whole game.

I'm praying that Tulsa Union can beat them. If not I'm rooting bigtime for John Curtis.

The last person on the planet that I want to see win the "mythical national title" is Coach Propst at Hoover. I just dont see him being "humble" about the whole deal.

[FeeltheHaka]

My best friend coaches in Alabama. He has been telling me about Hoover's coach (Probst) for about 6 years now. From everything I've heard over the years the guy is the most "arrogant" dude on the planet earth and pretty much things he walks on water.

I've seen about 6 Hoover games and the guy is a total jerk on the sidelines. He screams at everyone after almost every play and pretty much stays in the "officials" ear the whole game.

I'm praying that Tulsa Union can beat them. If not I'm rooting bigtime for John Curtis.

The last person on the planet that I want to see win the "mythical national title" is Coach Propst at Hoover. I just dont see him being "humble" about the whole deal.

From watching that MTV special he seems like a jerk. The whole idea of calling a parent at home because a player had a couple of bad practices is ridiculous. The poor kid was trying, and was barfing; and this coach gets his panties in a wad because the kid got burned on a couple of pass plays during practice? The other joke is the parents letting this jerk coach their kids.

[PeterGibbons]

Outside of Florida, California and maybe Georgia and Ohio, I don't see the top team in from any state being able to hang with any of the top 10 in Texas. Abilene made a great example of this last year when they decimated the top team in Missouri. I doubt Hoover could run the table in Texas playoff system. Shoot, most states don't have 64 teams in their classification, Texas has that many in the playoffs!!

There just isn't enough competiton in the other states, plenty have their share of great indiviual athletes, but not many great teams. Plus, if they had to come play the game in Texas, they've NEVER seen a crowds like they have here.

The other major difference (and this is probably what makes the quality of Texas HS football stand apart more than anything) is most other states don't start their kids learning the HS system in middle school like they do here. The kids here get and extra 2-3 years to learn a system they'll play in HS. Kids in most of these other states don't start learning their HS system until they get to high school and play freshman or JV games.

[da hawaiian]

^ finally...a balanced perspective. There are a few teams in Hawaii that would be able to pound the ball against anyone. But they'd be clueless against the spread

[rancher52]

Alabama counts all 4 grades in the enrollment figures. Those numbers are
9th-12th grade projections numbers.

Basically when its all said and done. Alabama has a few schools that would basically compete in Texas 4A (950-1,984) numbers.

I don't know why my comment on how Alabama counts enrollment for their classifications is so hard to understand. See my post #32 with instructions on how to look it up. It is 10-12th plus 9th grade "hold backs".

[rancher52]

Rancher52..thanks for that info..I didn't think they had schools so large in South Carolina

I didn't either. When I looked further I found that the numbers I cited are from the 2004-2005 135 day count so they are two years old. They are the ones currently used. When I checked around I found that the largest HS in the state currently is Summerville with just under 3,500. It drops significantly to number 2, Dorman with just under 2,800.

[rancher52]

Outside of Florida, California and maybe Georgia and Ohio, I don't see the top team in from any state being able to hang with any of the top 10 in Texas. Abilene made a great example of this last year when they decimated the top team in Missouri. I doubt Hoover could run the table in Texas playoff system. Shoot, most states don't have 64 teams in their classification, Texas has that many in the playoffs!!

There just isn't enough competiton in the other states, plenty have their share of great indiviual athletes, but not many great teams. Plus, if they had to come play the game in Texas, they've NEVER seen a crowds like they have here.

The other major difference (and this is probably what makes the quality of Texas HS football stand apart more than anything) is most other states don't start their kids learning the HS system in middle school like they do here. The kids here get and extra 2-3 years to learn a system they'll play in HS. Kids in most of these other states don't start learning their HS system until they get to high school and play freshman or JV games.

You are correct about the number of teams in the playoffs... & having 245 5A teams is way more than most have in their highest classification.

I have found some similarities in other states that have single high school districts. Byrnes and Summerville do run systems down to the 7th grade teams and even the midget football programs are developed with input from the HS Coaches.

[Texasfrog]

I don't know why my comment on how Alabama counts enrollment for their classifications is so hard to understand. See my post #32 with instructions on how to look it up. It is 10-12th plus 9th grade "hold backs".

Right from the horses mouth. I just called Hoover's enrollment office. They have 2,334 students in the High school (9th-12th Grade) and they always count all 4 classes when calculating enrollment numbers.

They also had no clue what a "Holdback" is that you are talking about.

Now, I'm pretty sure I'll take what I heard right from Hoover's enrollment office as "Correct."

They also told me that they are "Maxed Out" and that they are like either the 2nd or 3rd largest school in the State of Alabama but it's pretty much a toss-up with the three largest schools.

[rancher52]

Right from the horses mouth. I just called Hoover's enrollment office (205-439-1200). They have 2,334 students in the High school (9th-12th Grade) and they always count all 4 classes when calculating enrollment numbers.

They also had no clue what a "Holdback" is that you are talking about.

Now, I'm pretty sure I'll take what I heard right from Hoover's enrollment office as "Correct."

They also told me that they are "Maxed Out" and that they are like either the 2nd or 3rd largest school in the State of Alabama but it's pretty much a toss-up with the three largest schools.

But they only count 10-12 for classification purposes.... it's simple. BTW I talked to the same lady in the registrars office there that you did and she stated she had no idea what AHSAA used for classification purposes. The AD has already left for Oklahoma. No one was there that could confirm. I called the AHSAA offices and they confirmed the counts are 10-12 only plus any 9th grade hold backs.... that was defined to be what it sounds like... kids who failed.

[Texasfrog]

But they only count 10-12 for classification purposes.... it's simple.

My point is this. There is only about 7 schools in the State of Alabama that would compete in the Texas 5A division.

They (Alabama) have about 25 schools that would compete in the Texas 4A division.

That's why I believe they dont see strong competition as much as many of the Texas schools do on an average Friday night.

I mean there is only about 7 schools in the whole State that would be Texas 5A's. That's one freaking 5A district in Texas.

[lion fan]

I grew up in Alabama and he is right there are only a handful of what we call 5-A teams in the state. There are a lot of atheltics in Alabama but that are not all in the 5-A catagory. If you look at the rosters of Auburn and Alabama you can see that most of their players are from smaller programs. Hoover has to leave the state to play the caliber of football that they need so that they can show the nation that they deserve the "national title" that they want so much. If they play only in Alabama they may never get defeated.

[rancher52]

My point is this. There is only about 7 schools in the State of Alabama that would compete in the Texas 5A division.

They (Alabama) have about 25 schools that would compete in the Texas 4A division.

That's why I believe they dont see strong competition as much as many of the Texas schools do on an average Friday night.

I mean there is only about 7 schools in the whole State that would be Texas 5A's. That's one freaking 5A district in Texas.

I have no argument with your points... from the very beginning the only thing I did was to define how they did their classifications.

[Texasfrog]

I have no argument with your points... from the very beginning the only thing I did was to define how they did their classifications.

I'm not arguing with ya. I know other States that calculate their school enrolment numbers by the 10th-12th grade. I dont really understand why they do that, but I guess it works for them.

I think Ohio calculates enrollment numbers by 10th-12th grade numbers also.

[rancher52]

I'm not arguing with ya. I know other States that calculate their school enrolment numbers by the 10th-12th grade. I dont really understand why they do that, but I guess it works for them.

I think Ohio calculates enrollment numbers by 10th-12th grade numbers also.

And I heard Ohio uses only boys enrollment for Football Classifications.

[Texasfrog]

I have no argument with your points... from the very beginning the only thing I did was to define how they did their classifications.

A few years ago I went to a Alabama 5A game. I knew there was a problem when I saw the Varsity team (60 players approx) and about 20 of them were Freshman on the Varsity roster and about 7 of them (Freshman) were "starters."

This was also a team that made the playoffs. It was Pell City vs Gadsden High.

I've found out over the years that most States allow players to suit-up and play two games (Freshman game and Varsity Game) on the same week.

So a kid plays in the Freshman game (thursday night) and then plays in the varsity game (Friday night).

In Texas the (UIL) allows a kid only to suit up for one game per week.

[OakTreeUp-n-Out]

I'll be at the Hoover-Union game tomorrow night and I saw SLC play live 3 times last year... I'll let you know how I think they'd match up afterwards.

[dragonfootballfan]

From watching that MTV special he seems like a jerk. The whole idea of calling a parent at home because a player had a couple of bad practices is ridiculous. The poor kid was trying, and was barfing; and this coach gets his panties in a wad because the kid got burned on a couple of pass plays during practice? The other joke is the parents letting this jerk coach their kids.
I agree with you. This guy talks about doing everything for the team, so why would you let MTV invade your team and try to create this giant distraction, if you were not trying to be selfish by either gaining notoriety for yourself or gaining more potential recruits.

[KatyMachine]

KT,
I find your remarks amusing with potentially a Houston bias? You said that Hoover would do well in the outlying areas, didn't think they would do well in the Metroplex, but Definitely not do well in Houston. Not to be a Knit picker, but didn't the Metroplex dominate the state last year in the playoffs with nearlay all champs coming from DFW? With my DFW bias, I would say that if they would definitely not do well in the Houston area, then there is no way in hell they would do well in the DFW area. How's that for bias?

I understand your point and look forward to seeing them play Tulsa this week. I hope Union kicks them all the way back to Alabama.


Point taken. I say definitely because I haven't seen the other good teams in DFW play. Though I don't think they could play with ANYONE up there either.

I agree with everyone else. About that coach. I found it funny when he goes " We going to ruin MY one....." Then corrects himselfto say THEIR one chance to be on ESPN. tOO FUNNY.

Interesting note..since I'm a Boston College grad, and Native Bostonian. . I'm really getting up to date on Football here in Texas I didn't Know Todd Dodge played ball at Texas. In an article in the Houston Chronicle today it was worth noting that last year Bill Parcells gave Coach Dodge an interview or call for one. Hmmmmmmm... bet that coach over at Hoover hadn't got an Job Well Done Card from Shula !!!!! Never mind an interview.

[bigtexx]

no doubt theyd be good in texas

[Rerun]

Converse Judson would dominate Hoover. Why? Because Judson football is king. Not just king of San Antonio, South Texas, Texas - but the entire nation. That's right. I said it. Judson would own Hoover just like they own Texas. No one can beat Judson. SLC is scared to play Judson. Trinity is scared to play Judson. Hell, even the Dallas Cowboys and Houston Texas rejected the idea of scrimmaging Judson because they are scared. Bottom line is that Judson Football is king in the world and no team from little ole' Hoover Alabama is going to change that.

:rolleyes:

[Humblefied]

Quick question, Do you think anyone they asked to follow them around with a camera denied them to do that? Like do you think they ever asked some kid if they could follow him around with a camera and he said no? I was just thinking that I saw a couple of black kids there but you really dont hear from them much. Of course that whole thing is overdramatic its crazy.

[mavsalumni#4]

yep, ESPN as well
thank you, i will be watching.....

[bombs_away]

THE SHOW IS FROM LAST YEARS TEAM!! The cameras followed the guys around last season and that is what they are showing now. It is NOT this years team. The team this year could hands down beat SLC.:)

[LPFAN]

THE SHOW IS FROM LAST YEARS TEAM!! The cameras followed the guys around last season and that is what they are showing now. It is NOT this years team. The team this year could hands down beat SLC.:)
I already posted a thread letting everyone know it was from last years team. I watched them play last year on tv and was not impressed. They were decent but could not hang with SLC, Katy, Lufkin, and a host of other top 5A teams from Texas. That is just my opinion though. So have you watched them play this year? How could you say they could beat SLC this year. If you are going of of what you saw last year then you must be joking. I haven't seen either team play this year and I would still bet SLC could beat them. But really that is all hypothetical. All the top ranked teams in Texas just want to win every game that is on thier schedule and then win a State Title. In the end that is all that matters.

[FeeltheHaka]

THE SHOW IS FROM LAST YEARS TEAM!! The cameras followed the guys around last season and that is what they are showing now. It is NOT this years team. The team this year could hands down beat SLC.:)


I seriously doubt it. I would put any top 25 Texas school against them any day.

[drgnbkr]

THE SHOW IS FROM LAST YEARS TEAM!! The cameras followed the guys around last season and that is what they are showing now. It is NOT this years team. The team this year could hands down beat SLC.:)

Anybody could beat anybody else..we'll never know unless they play! "Hands Down"??? I doubt it, seriously, I don't think there is a High School Team in the country that could "hands down" beat Carroll ....:rolleyes:

[Texasfrog]

THE SHOW IS FROM LAST YEARS TEAM!! The cameras followed the guys around last season and that is what they are showing now. It is NOT this years team. The team this year could hands down beat SLC.:)

Wow, SLC hasnt even played a game yet this season and you already know without a doubt that this Hoover team would smoke them. That's really really good.

I've seen Hoover play probably 7 or 8 times over the last 5 years and never really have been over impressed by them. They pretty much dominate Alabama football (but that aint no big deal).

Alabama has about 7 teams that would be Texas 5A teams. So, basically 1 Texas 5A district is in the whole State of Alabama. Roughly 7 or 8 teams. The point is they (Hoover) dont see top notch competition "week in and out" like the average Texas team does.

In fact this years Gilmer (3A) team would probably end up playing Hoover for the Alambama 5A State title if Gilmer played in Alabama.

A couple of season ago. Longview went to Shreveport to play ECA. Longview beat ECA like 45-28. Longview lost in either the 1st or 2nd round that season.

ECA went to Hoover (traveled to Bama) and played Hoover. Hoover beat them like 28-21 in a scrappy ballgame.

Point being this. Longview was one of about 20 very good Texas teams. Hoover was far and away the top-dog in Bama that season.

If Hoover had to play in Texas (every year) they would be just another one of about 25 very good ballclubs each season in Texas. That includes this season Hoover team.

[HebronHawk89]

Well they are playing Tulsa Union tonight on fsnsw at 730 and i guess well see how good they really are.

[gritty52]

Looks like Hoover did pretty well this weekend!! Didn't get a chance to watch. Where are all the Hoover Haters?? Looks like they are a good team! Love to read all you guys post about teams and saw yaw gave them the dickens!!

[backthepack]

Maybe it is just me but I haven't seen a Hoover "Hater" yet. Now there are people that are defending their teams when people say "Hoover could hands down beat blah. blah. blah." but other than that the only things I have seen are people dismissing the idea of the OVERDRAMATIC TV show. Maybe you should READ the posts bud.

[DrEdward]

Hoover looked pretty solid to me against Union this past weekend, particularly on the ground. Can;t say that they are underrated or overrated; only that thye looked like a good football team. Certainly there is no way to compare them to a team that has not yet played in Texas, like Carroll. We will get our first view of the Dragons this Friday night. However, from what I saw of Hoover this past week, the 2005 Dragons as well as last year's Pack or Plano would have readily put this year's Hoover team away.

[gritty52]

Just stating what I see Bud!!PEACE!!

[Texasfrog]

Just stating what I see Bud!!PEACE!!

I stated that I dont like their coach (Probst) because I think he is one of the most arrogant, cocky football coaches on any level (HS, college or Pro). I think he believe he walks on water and can turn water into wine. I'm sure he might tell ya he can.

But, I will also say this. I dont think Hoover would be anything overly special in Texas. What I mean by that is this. They would be a very good team in Texas along with about 15 other very good Texas team from year to year.

They look like World beaters inside Alabama because the High school competition in Alabama isnt that strong period. I dont care what anyone says. Alabama isnt anywhere near Texas with the overall football level of competition.

PS. I also look for John Curtis, La to probably put the "L" on Hoover in a couple of weeks.

[G-Man]

I stated that I dont like their coach (Probst) because I think he is one of the most arrogant, cocky football coaches on any level (HS, college or Pro). I think he believe he walks on water and can turn water into wine. I'm sure he might tell ya he can.

But, I will also say this. I dont think Hoover would be anything overly special in Texas. What I mean by that is this. They would be a very good team in Texas along with about 15 other very good Texas team from year to year.

They look like World beaters inside Alabama because the High school competition in Alabama isnt that strong period. I dont care what anyone says. Alabama isnt anywhere near Texas with the overall football level of competition.

PS. I also look for John Curtis, La to probably put the "L" on Hoover in a couple of weeks.

Watched the show just so I could respond here. Hoover looks like many of our good suburban teams here. SLC, Smithson Valley, Katy, Converse, Highland Park, Woodlands. In Alabama they only have one, we have many well coached suburban teams with a lot of white guys. No offense NS, Westfield, & LaMarque but hard to compare Hoover to you guys.

[stevefoxsc]

THE SHOW IS FROM LAST YEARS TEAM!! The cameras followed the guys around last season and that is what they are showing now. It is NOT this years team. The team this year could hands down beat SLC.:)

location Texas Huh? I got this

time was at 09/05/2006 03:06:18 PM from **.*.**.** (cpe-**-*-**-**.hot.res.rr.com).

Probable location:
Iron Dale, Alabama, United States

** = blocked out ip which we don't need to see is there a texas city in bama to any ones knowledge or is it " iron dales" nick name some one help me out here.

[GarlandOwl2008]

location Texas Huh? I got this

time was at 09/05/2006 03:06:18 PM from **.*.**.** (cpe-**-*-**-**.hot.res.rr.com).

Probable location:
Iron Dale, Alabama, United States

** = blocked out ip which we don't need to see is there a texas city in bama to any ones knowledge or is it " iron dales" nick name some one help me out here.

yea

[ThEgReAtOnE]

In Alabama they only have one, we have many well coached suburban teams with a lot of white guys. No offense NS, Westfield, & LaMarque but hard to compare Hoover to you guys.

Out of curiousity, why is it hard to compare Hoover to NS, Westfield & La Marque??

Football is football, IMO!

[Texasfrog]

Out of curiousity, why is it hard to compare Hoover to NS, Westfield & La Marque??

Football is football, IMO!

I'm not touching that one with a 10 foot stick..

[Rerun]

Watched the show just so I could respond here. Hoover looks like many of our good suburban teams here. SLC, Smithson Valley, Katy, Converse, Highland Park, Woodlands. In Alabama they only have one, we have many well coached suburban teams with a lot of white guys. No offense NS, Westfield, & LaMarque but hard to compare Hoover to you guys.

Convere Judson has a lot of white guys?

Better check that one, boss.

Last time I checked Judson had one of the largest enrollments of black kids in the San Antonio area. Other schools that probably have more would be Roosevelt, Sam Houston, and Wagner.

[bullrock]

Irondale is the name of a bedroom community outside of Birmingham. My take on the Alabama schools is most of the real athletes play on Academy teams, better known as privates in Texas.
Can't remember the name of the team from Montgomery that used to dominate football in Alabama, but I think they could have played in Texas.
Hoover is also a bedroom community of Birmingham that would compete financially with the Highland Parks/ Westlakes of Texas, so I can see them having a winning attitude.

[rancher52]

Hoover is also a bedroom community of Birmingham that would compete financially with the Highland Parks/ Westlakes of Texas, so I can see them having a winning attitude.

I find this hard to believe. I don't know the specific numbers for Highland Park, but generally they are higher than Southlake in Home values and income levels. Southlake is significantly higher than Hoover based on information from the Hoover city web site.

Hoover 2003 avg Household Income 95.8 k
Southlake 150k (2000) 186k (2005)

Hoover 2003 med HH Income 71.9
Southlake 86k (2000)

Hoover 2003 median prop value 203k
Southlake - 2005 both avg & median levels >450k

I have no knowledge of Westlake, but trust me Hoover is absolutely no comparison to Highland Park from a financial standpoint.

[stevefoxsc]

a good portion of the teams players are recruited or guys moving there to get scholarships example this small bio i saw a kid Repete, 91, a lineman and the trash-talker of the team, moved to town specifically because his father wanted him to play at Hoover, earn a scholarship and be the first in his family to go to college.

[Texasfrog]

I find this hard to believe. I don't know the specific numbers for Highland Park, but generally they are higher than Southlake in Home values and income levels. Southlake is significantly higher than Hoover based on information from the Hoover city web site.

Hoover 2003 avg Household Income 95.8 k
Southlake 150k (2000) 186k (2005)

Hoover 2003 med HH Income 71.9
Southlake 86k (2000)

Hoover 2003 median prop value 203k
Southlake - 2005 both avg & median levels >450k

I have no knowledge of Westlake, but trust me Hoover is absolutely no comparison to Highland Park from a financial standpoint.

Ya, I've been through Hoover, Al about 12x over the last 5 years. No way is it compared to Highland Park, Tx. Not even close.

It is a nice area of Birmingham, but it aint Highland Park. I wouldnt even put it on Austin Westlakes level from a financial area.

I do understand however that Hoover High does get an upsurd amount of "tax money" over the average Alabama school. They built something in the Hoover area and Hoover High gets all of the tax revenue from it. I think it was a Galleria Mall or something like that.

[dragonsdaddy]

Ya, I've been through Hoover, Al about 12x over the last 5 years. No way is it compared to Highland Park, Tx. Not even close.

It is a nice area of Birmingham, but it aint Highland Park. I wouldnt even put it on Austin Westlakes level from a financial area.

I do understand however that Hoover High does get an upsurd amount of "tax money" over the average Alabama school. They built something in the Hoover area and Hoover High gets all of the tax revenue from it. I think it was a Galleria Mall or something like that.
i'm guessing robin hood wasn't riding thru dixie in the recent past then.

[rancher52]

Ya, I've been through Hoover, Al about 12x over the last 5 years. No way is it compared to Highland Park, Tx. Not even close.

It is a nice area of Birmingham, but it aint Highland Park. I wouldnt even put it on Austin Westlakes level from a financial area.

I do understand however that Hoover High does get an upsurd amount of "tax money" over the average Alabama school. They built something in the Hoover area and Hoover High gets all of the tax revenue from it. I think it was a Galleria Mall or something like that.

Imagine what 200k would buy you in Highland Park.... there are garages worth 200k in HP!!

[Texasfrog]

a good portion of the teams players are recruited or guys moving there to get scholarships example this small bio i saw a kid Repete, 91, a lineman and the trash-talker of the team, moved to town specifically because his father wanted him to play at Hoover, earn a scholarship and be the first in his family to go to college.

My best friend coaches in Alabama High school. I've been to about 5 Alabama HS games over the last 5 years. They (Alabama) have some pretty lax transfer rules from what I could tell. Players can pretty much move around at well and it's no big deal.

They have like 2 different type of school structures in Bama. They have like the "County schools" and they have like the "City schools" best I can put it. Kids can transfer from County to City and vise versa with pretty ease.

So, I'm 100% sure Hoover has a wealth of transfers into their program. I'm sure some of the kids that arent even really playing much transfered there to play football.

I'll say it again, "No State has a sports authority organization like the Texas UIL to watchdog them like Texas does." Alot of things that go on in other States with schools and ect wouldnt fly for one mili-second in Texas when it comes to athletics,, 100% fact.

[Texasfrog]

i'm guessing robin hood wasn't riding thru dixie in the recent past then.

Ya, the Robin Hood plan didnt make it to Alabama and sure didnt make it to Hoover.

[Texasfrog]

i'm guessing robin hood wasn't riding thru dixie in the recent past then.

The sad thing, according to my friend who coaches in Bama. There is basically two high schools in Hoover. Hoover High & Hoover Spain Park. Both are large Public schools. Hoover High gets like almost all the tax revenue and Spain Park gets almost nothing.

Plus, there was some under-the-table deal worked out that Hoover High gets all the "tax money" from the (I think Galleria Mall) in Hoover. Which is probably worth a few million in taxes each year for the school.

I'm sure I dont have all of this 100% correct but it's pretty close.

[bullrock]

I'm guessing everyone on the site knows what $200K will buy you in Alabama?
Yes, there are some mighty fine homes in Hoover much like the ones in Highland Park. Just because HP real estate is overpriced does not mean the folks who live in Hoover couldn't afford to live in HP or SL for that matter.
I have had an office in Birmingham for 14 years now and spend a lot of time there. I personally know a lot of folks from Hoover, and believe me, they could live anywhere they want.
SL is not the Eden of the world. Sorry I have to be the one to break the news to you. Not being arguementative, just stating the facts as I see them.

[rancher52]

I'm guessing everyone on the site knows what $200K will buy you in Alabama?
Yes, there are some mighty fine homes in Hoover much like the ones in Highland Park. Just because HP real estate is overpriced does not mean the folks who live in Hoover couldn't afford to live in HP or SL for that matter.
I have had an office in Birmingham for 14 years now and spend a lot of time there. I personally know a lot of folks from Hoover, and believe me, they could live anywhere they want.
SL is not the Eden of the world. Sorry I have to be the one to break the news to you. Not being arguementative, just stating the facts as I see them.

It's just the "facts" don't support your contention.

[FeeltheHaka]

I don't care how much money or transfer policies they have at Hoover. I still don't think that Hoover would be a top 20 team in Texas. The difference between Southlake money, and Hoover money; is that Southlake is very smart with their money. Southlake would not sell out on their principles, and blindly follow some tyrannical coach.

[bullrock]

How can someone making $86K/yr afford to live in a $450K home?

[Texasfrog]

I'm guessing everyone on the site knows what $200K will buy you in Alabama?
Yes, there are some mighty fine homes in Hoover much like the ones in Highland Park. Just because HP real estate is overpriced does not mean the folks who live in Hoover couldn't afford to live in HP or SL for that matter.
I have had an office in Birmingham for 14 years now and spend a lot of time there. I personally know a lot of folks from Hoover, and believe me, they could live anywhere they want.
SL is not the Eden of the world. Sorry I have to be the one to break the news to you. Not being arguementative, just stating the facts as I see them.

There are wealthy people or at least people that appear very wealthy all over the country. I recently went through Brentwood, Tn and all I can say is "Oh by God" at some of the houses in the area. I've been to other areas that are just the same. Heck, I live in Miami for almost 4 years and there is some area here that are just plain sick if you look at the real-estate price.

I've been to Hoover, Al a few times. I'm not an expert of the area and dont claim to be. I've just been there a few times in the past 5 or so years. They do have some nice areas. I also think the area of Vestavia Hills and Mountain Brook are also pretty nice areas in the Birmingham region.

But, from what I've heard through some people that are basically "born and raised" in that area. Hoover High enjoys some financial perks that many of the other schools in the area dont get. I'm pretty sure they are "right" and not lying to me because they are very straight forward and honest people.

[PantherStang84]

How can someone making $86K/yr afford to live in a $450K home?

It's called debt.

[Dragonfan2004]

This thread is getting out of line. Hoover beat Tulsa Union pretty bad and deserves a little more credit than everyone is giving them. It seems when your on top everybody wants to kick you.

[drgnbkr]

I'm guessing everyone on the site knows what $200K will buy you in Alabama?
Yes, there are some mighty fine homes in Hoover much like the ones in Highland Park. Just because HP real estate is overpriced does not mean the folks who live in Hoover couldn't afford to live in HP or SL for that matter.
I have had an office in Birmingham for 14 years now and spend a lot of time there. I personally know a lot of folks from Hoover, and believe me, they could live anywhere they want.
SL is not the Eden of the world. Sorry I have to be the one to break the news to you. Not being arguementative, just stating the facts as I see them.

Bull, where does it say Southlake is an Eden? Your not breaking any news there....Did a Southlake poster list those numbers? No....

[farmerfan]

It's called debt.

or Collin County :D

[Texasfrog]

This thread is getting out of line. Hoover beat Tulsa Union pretty bad and deserves a little more credit than everyone is giving them. It seems when your on top everybody wants to kick you.

I dont think anyone is saying Hoover is bad. I dont think they are all-mighty world greatest either. I do think if they played in Texas they would be right there with about 15 to 20 Texas teams in their overall ability. Would they win State in Texas ?? Who knows. I'll only say that in Texas their chances of winning State or 4X tougher then what it is in Alabama.

The overall High school competition in Texas is just alot tougher then Alabama.

Second, Tulsa Union isnt that good this year. They have a new coach that is bringing in a whole new offensive system to the team. I give Hoover props for going to Oklahoma and taking care of business but Union isnt a top-notch team this year either. In fact, this weeks Jenks vs Union game should be a good guage to look at. I'm thinking Jenks is going to beat Union pretty easy but we'll see this weekend.

Third, The game to watch for Hoover is the John Curtis, La game in a few weeks. That game will be played in Alabama but John Curtis is the real deal. In fact I'm betting that JC puts the big "L" on Hoover.

[DrEdward]

The actual numbers relative to Highland park or Southlake as to household income and price of houses is rather irrelevant to the discussion as to why Hoover might be overrated or not. First, it is still abundantly clear that given the income figures cited, the family incomes in Hoover, Al are well above the national averages and still in the upper percentiles of the U.S. Likewise, the housing price average given is also significantly above the national average and way above the average prices in Alabama. So in terms of wealth and income relative to the state of Alabama, Hoover is comparable to the more upscale communities in Texas on a relative basis. However, again from what I saw, Hoover looked like a very solid football team.

[THEsouthlakeCARROLL]

And that, My friends, Is why he is a Dr. Case Closed - about the financial portion of this thread - Onto more debateable topics... I understand that hoover has played out of state competition to show its 'real' talent, but comparably... how is alabama when it comes to football teams?... I mean, what does an alabama state title mean in comparison?

[farmerfan]

And that, My friends, Is why he is a Dr. Case Closed - about the financial portion of this thread - Onto more debateable topics... I understand that hoover has played out of state competition to show its 'real' talent, but comparably... how is alabama when it comes to football teams?... I mean, what does an alabama state title mean in comparison?

for the kids of any state, a state championship is going to be special. As far as comparable to Texas wait for TF to explain it to ya, he has a better grasp on the national scene than anyone else on this site.

[stevefoxsc]

How can someone making $86K/yr afford to live in a $450K home?
96 and that coach has been there for some years so lets say hes been there since 1999 I'd say his house is either paid off or atleast a good portion of it.

[drgnbkr]

I agree with the comparison of strength of competition being the key argument, but if you substituted Southlake Carroll for Hoover in the title of this thread, there would be just as many posters with reasons why Carroll would be overrated....everyone has some logical argument why the so-called top dog really isn't...Thats why head to head is the only way...

[stevefoxsc]

I agree with the comparison of strength of competition being the key argument, but if you substituted Southlake Carroll for Hoover in the title of this thread, there would be just as many posters with reasons why Carroll would be overrated....everyone has some logical argument why the so-called top dog really isn't...Thats why head to head is the only way...



true many would bring up the 2 divission part

[PonyExpress81]

My best friend coaches in Alabama. He has been telling me about Hoover's coach (Probst) for about 6 years now. From everything I've heard over the years the guy is the most "arrogant" dude on the planet earth and pretty much things he walks on water.

I've seen about 6 Hoover games and the guy is a total jerk on the sidelines. He screams at everyone after almost every play and pretty much stays in the "officials" ear the whole game.

I'm praying that Tulsa Union can beat them. If not I'm rooting bigtime for John Curtis.
Union got whooped! But they are just an Okie school so I didn't expect them to win anyway. All of OU's & OSU's starters come from the state of Texas not Oklahoma. Hoover is a good school from Bama, and the kids deserve a big hand for their efforts and having to work with and put up with a "back woods bubba" of a head coach. I wonder how many parents have knocked him on his @$$ since he's been at Hoover. Hoover ISD needs to get a clue and fire the idiot, they need to get a coach with some class & a college degree that knows how to win! I 'm surprised that people aren't moving away from Hoover because of the coach!

[dragons08]

How can someone making $86K/yr afford to live in a $450K home?
avg home income is what 156k it said? most of my friends only have one parent that works, and if the other works, its part time..which would lower it to 86 or whatever it is

now, lets say you invest money in the stockmarket, so that moeny grows...

now when you buy a house do you pay for it upfront? no you dont, you pay x amount a year

[Firebird]

avg home income is what 156k it said? most of my friends only have one parent that works, and if the other works, its part time..which would lower it to 86 or whatever it is

now, lets say you invest money in the stockmarket, so that moeny grows...

now when you buy a house do you pay for it upfront? no you dont, you pay x amount a year

It depends on what your goals and aims are in life. I have known a few people who bought a nice, comfortable house by paying cash up front. Most people can't afford to do that with their first home, but with careful planning and saving (along with a willingness to spend inside your means), you can do it later in life.

Back to the purpose of this thread......

Year in year out, the very TOP programs in football strong states like Ohio, Cali, Alabama, Florida COULD play with, and even beat, the Texas 5a division champions. But there is a huge drop off from the top programs in those states to the next level. No other state in the nation has the top to bottom strength, or overall number of good teams and programs as Texas does. The divide gets even greater as you move into lower ranks.

Hoover would stay on the field with Lufkin or SLC, no doubt.

[Texasfrog]

It depends on what your goals and aims are in life. I have known a few people who bought a nice, comfortable house by paying cash up front. Most people can't afford to do that with their first home, but with careful planning and saving (along with a willingness to spend inside your means), you can do it later in life.

Back to the purpose of this thread......

Year in year out, the very TOP programs in football strong states like Ohio, Cali, Alabama, Florida COULD play with, and even beat, the Texas 5a division champions. But there is a huge drop off from the top programs in those states to the next level. No other state in the nation has the top to bottom strength, or overall number of good teams and programs as Texas does. The divide gets even greater as you move into lower ranks.

Hoover would stay on the field with Lufkin or SLC, no doubt.

That's my point 100% to the dot. Alabama has a few good teams, Florida has a few good teams, Georgia has some good teams, Cali has some good teams, Ohio has some good teams ect ect ect.

But, Texas also has some very good teams. I think every year there is about (approx 15 or so teams) that I say or National level High school caliber teams.
These approx 15 Texas teams could/ and would play "heads up" football with anyone anytime in the country.

Would "A" Texas team be #1 each and every year ? "NOPE". Some years we would have the #1 somewhere years we might have #10 at best.

But, like I've said for years. If we could take the "LEGIT TOP 50" HIgh school teams in the nation every year at the end of the season. I have 100% no doubt that at least "AT LEAST" 15 of those "LEGIT" 50 teams across the nation would be Texas teams.

I also believe that Texas would have the most out of those "legit 50" each season.

I also agree 100% that what really seperates Texas from everyone else. It aint even close here. Is that our second and third level teams (#16-#25) & (#26-#40) are way better then other States teams of those equal State rank.

Ie. If we could take Ohios #25 or Florida #25 or Cali's #25 and match them up with the Texas #25 team. The Texas team would beat them probably pretty easy. The depth and talent in Texas with quality teams is "Second to none" it's not even debatable.

Hoover is the big dog in Alabama. They have won like 5 State Titles in 7 years and they played in the State Title game for those 2 losses. They're the big dog in Alabama and only about 2 or 3 other teams can even come close to giving them anything that looks like a respectable game inside Alabama. In fact, I'm betting the John Curtis, La game will be their toughest game all season. Everyone else Hoover will destroy inside Alabama to scores like 35-7 and the games are over at halftime type of games.

If Hoover played in Texas. They might win State. But, they would have about 4 or 5 bigtime "dogfights" in Texas before they got those "rings."