Longview gets a "break" in their first game [Archive]

Kingwolf

08-28-2006, 11:50 PM

West Monroe comes into this game, ranked #1 in 5A in LA, and #16 in the nation. They return 6 on defense and 4 on offense. they have two defensive linemen who are all americans. they also have an all state dominating lb returning. at least 6 d1 players. they will return to the offense that they dominated with in the late 90s and 2000 that led to two mythical national titles. however, the starting qb is out with a broken hand. the o line has some key injuries going into the game. the first team defense has not been scored on in two scrimmages.

WM also won the state powerlifting title and the state track title in the offseason.

who wins???

big red & cujo

08-29-2006, 01:32 AM

how did the lobos do in their scrimmage and what was the score.

LP-79

08-29-2006, 01:50 AM

WM in a squeaker. Close but they stop Longview on last drive to get the victory.

LoboFan07

08-29-2006, 08:50 AM

how did the lobos do in their scrimmage and what was the score.

Longview defeated Hallsville 17-0...or well the News-Journal said 22-0 (don't ask me where they came up with that though).

Longview's running game was good as usual. I thought our defense looked ok for the amount of players we lost and they just got even better as the night went on. Including atleast two interceptions in the two live quarters. Many other dropped INTs during the first part of the scrimmage. But, the Longview passing game is well...the Longview passing game. Needs a lot more work on.

I think the 3rd and 4th quarters will be our strong points this season unlike last year. It's going to be tough againist West Monroe...but I think we'll put out a last second field goal to win the game.

KLH75287

08-29-2006, 08:59 AM

Gotta back The LOBOS on this one. I mean, they are from TEXAS. And they represent the best region of the state....EAST TEXAS.....:o :o :o

GO PACK IN '06

Crank_It

08-29-2006, 09:21 AM

ill take a texas team any day

ThEgReAtOnE

08-29-2006, 09:56 AM

Well...

Longview loses in the size department...
http://www.lobosfootball.com/lobosfootball_roster_nopics2006.htm

West Monroe has some athletes, it seems...
http://www.olerebels.com/content.asp?CID=83803

I think Monroe edges Longview out, but I doubt Monroe could beat any of the Top 5-7 teams in Texas. I wouldn't be surprised if Longview upsets Monroe. If you'd call it an upset.;)

Final Score
Longview 21
West Monroe 31

or upset...

Longview 20
West Monroe 17

Note: If LV wins, lookout! That may be a spark that sets them in motion to accomplish great things, in 2006. (darkhorse) Peyton Manning was drafted in 1998, and the Volunteers won the National Title the very next season, with Tee Martin at the helm. In retrospect, who would have thought the Volunteers would have won a title, without Manning? Not me. Confidence, and a chip on the shoulder...today, that's usually more than enough.

LUFPAN

08-29-2006, 09:56 AM

Louisiana teams can not figure out the Lobo running game. I think WM's talent will keep it closer than the normal blow-out but Longview still wins this one.

Longview may well be this year's dark horse team. They have a huge chip on their shoulder after last year's early exit. If coached properly, that can of anger / motivation can be used to great advantage.

SFAlobo

08-29-2006, 10:07 AM

I think itll be close. If they can get this win, it will definely be an intersting season. Even if they lose I think they get stronger by the end of the year if the oline can get healthy. Should be interesting.

c-lisle

08-29-2006, 10:48 AM

Longview's running game was good as usual. .

IMO Longview only has one good RB this year.......

c-lisle

08-29-2006, 10:50 AM

Well...

Longview loses in the size department...
http://www.lobosfootball.com/lobosfootball_roster_nopics2006.htm

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I have to disagree with you there...The only area where WM is bigger is the dline....same diff last year they had a huge dline and we didn't....but longview never does.

c-lisle

08-29-2006, 10:53 AM

Longview still has talent on both sides of the ball...the only problem this year may be depth as we are pretty young....

Some say Longview is young and inexperienced but WM has the same prob...even worse..

2006 WM roster

31 SR
34Jrs
34Soph

I don't know why they carry so many sophomores....none of them will ever see the field i bet.

c-lisle

08-29-2006, 12:43 PM

however, the starting qb is out with a broken hand

someone told me they were speaking with pat collins and he said the qb would play....dont know if that s true or not but WM wants to win this game jsut like we do....

also their best dlineman and LB may be out....but i don't think any of them are certain...

pack0808

08-29-2006, 12:58 PM

Longview shut them out last year right?

ThEgReAtOnE

08-29-2006, 01:09 PM

I have to disagree with you there...The only area where WM is bigger is the dline....same diff last year they had a huge dline and we didn't....but longview never does.

Disagree? C'mon bro, just look at the rosters. I never said it would drastically effect the outcome of the game. I was just making a point that West Monroe has more taller and bigger athletes. (top to bottom) And their skill players are a bit bigger, as well.

And...WM's O-Line @ 6'3 349, 6'5 288, 6'2 272, 6'0 285, 5'11 280 (avg 294.8) (+ 5'11 200 TE) is bigger than LV's O-Lin e @ 6'0 300, 5'11 320, 6'1 230, 6'0 200, 6'0 240 (avg 258) (+ 6'2 190 TE), not just the d-line. And when you have a 5'11 220 rb, 5'11 233 fb, 4 receivers that have the height of 6'1, 6'4, 6'2, 6'1, I think you're pretty solid. Not to mention a LB core that has the size of 6'0 230, 6'1 205, 6'1 190.

WM has more size than Longview. But, we'll see if they can play some 'ball.;)

Obviously, I want Longview to win this game.

stevefoxsc

08-29-2006, 01:13 PM

WM wins in a blow out i'm no texas trader but there are other decent teams in other states to.

pack0808

08-29-2006, 01:19 PM

WM wins in a blow out i'm no texas trader but there are other decent teams in other states to.

Again, didn't Longview shut them out last year? I would have to give WM the edge considering all that Longview lost from last years team but I seriously doubt it will be a blowout. Longview could definitely pull it out.

ThEgReAtOnE

08-29-2006, 01:21 PM

Longview shut them out last year right?

Yep! 21-0. However, there were only 3 teams that held Longview to 21 pts or fewer, last year...South Garland, North Mesquite and WEST MONROE. Take away talent like Vondrell and etc...then bolster the depth of WM...I'd say you've got yourself a very solid nationally ranked team, in West Monroe. (Well,"potentially" Nationally ranked!)

I want Longview to represent Texas, and win! The upset factor is definitely there!

Lets make it happen Lobos!;)

pack0808

08-29-2006, 01:24 PM

Yep! 21-0. However, there were only 3 teams that held Longview to 21 pts or fewer, last year...South Garland, North Mesquite and WEST MONROE. Take away talent like Vondrell and etc...then bolster the depth of WM...I'd say you've got yourself a very solid nationally ranked team, in West Monroe. (Well,"potentially" Nationally ranked!)

I want Longview to represent Texas, and win! The upset factor is definitely there!

Lets make it happen Lobos!;)

Longview beat WM (5a La state champs) 21-0 last year!! :eek: They could not even score a point? wow!

ThEgReAtOnE

08-29-2006, 01:54 PM

Longview beat WM (5a La state champs) 21-0 last year!! :eek: They could not even score a point? wow!

Yep! I love when that happens! West Monroe won state in LA, after getting shutout by Longview. (Of whom was shocked in the first round of the playoffs, in Tx.) Chaminade Florida won the state title (and is ranked in a few Top 25 polls), yet they were beaten by 4-6 Tyler Lee. And Colerain finished ranked 2nd or 3rd in most Ohio polls, but statistically the 2nd hardest opponent they faced was Tyler Lee.

Gotta love the depth of Texas teams!;)

c-lisle

08-29-2006, 02:13 PM

Disagree? C'mon bro, just look at the rosters. I never said it would drastically effect the outcome of the game. I was just making a point that West Monroe has more taller and bigger athletes. (top to bottom) And their skill players are a bit bigger, as well.

And...WM's O-Line @ 6'3 349, 6'5 288, 6'2 272, 6'0 285, 5'11 280 (avg 294.8) (+ 5'11 200 TE) is bigger than LV's O-Lin e @ 6'0 300, 5'11 320, 6'1 230, 6'0 200, 6'0 240 (avg 258) (+ 6'2 190 TE), not just the d-line. And when you have a 5'11 220 rb, 5'11 233 fb, 4 receivers that have the height of 6'1, 6'4, 6'2, 6'1, I think you're pretty solid. Not to mention a LB core that has the size of 6'0 230, 6'1 205, 6'1 190.

WM has more size than Longview. But, we'll see if they can play some 'ball.;)

Obviously, I want Longview to win this game.

i'm not sure if you factor in starters....wm has injuries on the oline dline and lb positions. blackwell is questionable for the game, as is sinclair(230lb LB)

they were bigger than us last year also and we took it to them....doesn't mean jack as you prolly know

Longview's WR are 6'1'', 6'4'', 6'3'',6'0'',5'10'',5'10'' and all wil see some PT. so not really a size a diff there. you are right about the oline a and dline though.

c-lisle

08-29-2006, 02:15 PM

Again, didn't Longview shut them out last year? I would have to give WM the edge considering all that Longview lost from last years team but I seriously doubt it will be a blowout. Longview could definitely pull it out.

wm lost some of their big dogs too...but they have a little more coming back than we do

ThEgReAtOnE

08-29-2006, 02:20 PM

i'm not sure if you factor in starters....wm has injuries on the oline dline and lb positions. blackwell is questionable for the game, as is sinclair(230lb LB)

they were bigger than us last year also and we took it to them....doesn't mean jack as you prolly know

Longview's WR are 6'1'', 6'4'', 6'3'',6'0'',5'10'',5'10'' and all wil see some PT. so not really a size a diff there. you are right about the oline a and dline though.

didn't know about the injuries. i'm adjusting my final score, then...

Longview 20 OT
West Monroe 17

injuries to a starting qb, o-line, all-american d-line and all-american lb personnel will affect the outcome of the game. (heck, it would affect the outcome of any game, regardless of who's playing.)

good call. goodluck lobos!

c-lisle

08-29-2006, 02:25 PM

Longview 31
WM 28

Longview is gonna have to show up and play with some heart though....this ain't gonna be easy.

c-lisle

08-29-2006, 02:42 PM

didn't know about the injuries. i'm adjusting my final score, then...

Longview 20 OT
West Monroe 17

injuries to a starting qb, o-line, all-american d-line and all-american lb personnel will affect the outcome of the game. (heck, it would affect the outcome of any game, regardless of who's playing.)

good call. goodluck lobos!

avg team weight:

Longview - 181.7
WM - 192.6

I'm not about to do the height....but like you said WM is prolly a little taller also.

ThEgReAtOnE

08-29-2006, 03:37 PM

avg team weight:

Longview - 181.7
WM - 192.6

I'm not about to do the height....but like you said WM is prolly a little taller also.

Are you bored, bro?!:D I can read rosters pretty quick, so I knew there was a slight height and weight advantage belonging to WM. But, when it's all said and done they still have to know how to play smashmouth 'ball, with Texas.

Goodluck to them!

stevefoxsc

08-29-2006, 03:50 PM

Again, didn't Longview shut them out last year? I would have to give WM the edge considering all that Longview lost from last years team but I seriously doubt it will be a blowout. Longview could definitely pull it out.

Yes they did but longview has there good days and bad days i just figured after what happend in playoff's longview might just have another one but seeing that it isn't a playoff game i guess the lobo's are safe.

c-lisle

08-29-2006, 04:56 PM

Are you bored, bro?!:D I can read rosters pretty quick, so I knew there was a slight height and weight advantage belonging to WM. But, when it's all said and done they still have to know how to play smashmouth 'ball, with Texas.

Goodluck to them!

nope...lunch break

LoboFan07

08-29-2006, 06:31 PM

Yep! 21-0. However, there were only 3 teams that held Longview to 21 pts or fewer, last year...South Garland, North Mesquite and WEST MONROE. Take away talent like Vondrell and etc...then bolster the depth of WM...I'd say you've got yourself a very solid nationally ranked team, in West Monroe. (Well,"potentially" Nationally ranked!)

And had it been under Texas rules it would be 42-0.

I remember sitting in the stadium before the game last year, and seeing those WM boys come out...Dear Lord. I was scared to death to be honest. Those boys were HUGE. Luckily...speed can beat beef. :eek:

DonCorleone

08-29-2006, 11:02 PM

West Monroe will probably be without Will Blackwell and CC Carpenter for the Longview game. They are two main clogs in that WM defense. Luther Davis, the other D end will play. I think he is back healthy. As for the offensive players, Shelby Aulds will probably not play unless his hand has healed real fast this week. I talked to Coach Rob Arledge, linebacker coach who is also Will Blackwell's uncle, and he said Will and CC will both be out for Longview. If they do play they have recovered faster than expected. He said they would love to beat Longview but are more interested in having everyone healthy by district.

DonCorleone

08-29-2006, 11:06 PM

c-lisle

08-29-2006, 11:21 PM

[QUOTE=LoboFan07]And had it been under Texas rules it would be 42-0.

That's funny. Texas rules or not, Longview had a tough time scoring the 21 they did. Not to take anything away from Longview, they had a great team, but they had also played a full game and West Monroe had not. Had they played a week later, I think it would have been a better game. We had a new O-line and QB that needed time to gel.

well I agree with you to an extent......our D stuffed you in the red zone(once inside the ten) two times. The D was just swarming to the ball. Don't expect that to change b/c we still have good speed and the coaches pound swarming to the ball into these guys heads.

well, if your QB is out then I would have to say that really gives Longview's chances a boost. Having the two defensive players out won't help any either.

c-lisle

08-29-2006, 11:29 PM

PACK_MAN

08-30-2006, 12:19 AM

Roughrider

08-30-2006, 12:21 AM

DonCorleone

08-30-2006, 01:13 AM

by the way, glad to see you made it over......

Thanks for the heads up!:)

Texasfrog

08-30-2006, 08:49 AM

WM wins in a blow out i'm no texas trader but there are other decent teams in other states to.

I dont think anyone on here thinks there isnt any good teams in other States. The difference is here in Texas (Longview) is just another one of about 30 very good teams. Longview may not be a top #15 team in Texas this season. Time well tell.

West Monroe will probably dominate everyone and anyone in the State of Louisiana . They will blowout everyone in Louisiana the play against and in most games the WM starters will be out by the mid- 3rd QT and they will still win 95% of their games by a huge margin in Louisiana.

The only other team in Louisiana that can probably hang with WM this season is John Curtis. A "Private school."

DonCorleone

08-30-2006, 11:06 AM

I dont think anyone on here thinks there isnt any good teams in other States. The difference is here in Texas (Longview) is just another one of about 30 very good teams. Longview may not be a top #15 team in Texas this season. Time well tell.

West Monroe will probably dominate everyone and anyone in the State of Louisiana . They will blowout everyone in Louisiana the play against and in most games the WM starters will be out by the mid- 3rd QT and they will still win 95% of their games by a huge margin in Louisiana.

The only other team in Louisiana that can probably hang with WM this season is John Curtis. A "Private school."

That has been the norm around here for awhile. And you are right about Curtis. They are loaded. I understand BR Catholic is going to be salty this year too, but until they step up and beat the "big boys" it's hard to take them serious. WM does have a lot of holes to fill, but I think as long as we are healthy come district play, we are going to be hard to stop. We'll have to wait and see.

pack0808

08-30-2006, 11:53 AM

That has been the norm around here for awhile. And you are right about Curtis. They are loaded. I understand BR Catholic is going to be salty this year too, but until they step up and beat the "big boys" it's hard to take them serious. WM does have a lot of holes to fill, but I think as long as we are healthy come district play, we are going to be hard to stop. We'll have to wait and see.

You can't have more holes to fill then Longview. The Lobos lost almost their whole team from last year. :eek:

c-lisle

08-30-2006, 01:06 PM

You can't have more holes to fill then Longview. The Lobos lost almost their whole team from last year. :eek:

I think i've heard that from you before.....but we are reloading as you shall see..

and that is actually not true we have more coming back than people think with alot of experience from last year.....

DonCorleone

08-30-2006, 01:35 PM

You can't have more holes to fill then Longview. The Lobos lost almost their whole team from last year. :eek:

I don't know how this compares to Longview, but WM returns only one offensive starter, Mario Wiley. He is a junior WR. We must revamp and entire offensive line (the only returning starter was all-state and was moved to defense. Defense gets first dibs.) New QB, new TB, new FB, new WR and TE's. Offense takes longer to gel. Anyway, you get the point. Rebel fans have come to know that we just reload around here. We probably have the best skill players we have had since 1998. That is huge for us; and they are young.

On defense, we return 5 starters, two which will be out for the Longview game. The good news with the defense, there are guys that can step in and start who got considerable playing time last year. Alot of questions will be answered following the Longview game.

c-lisle

08-30-2006, 03:08 PM

I don't know how this compares to Longview, but WM returns only one offensive starter, Mario Wiley. He is a junior WR. We must revamp and entire offensive line (the only returning starter was all-state and was moved to defense. Defense gets first dibs.) New QB, new TB, new FB, new WR and TE's. Offense takes longer to gel. Anyway, you get the point. Rebel fans have come to know that we just reload around here. We probably have the best skill players we have had since 1998. That is huge for us; and they are young.

On defense, we return 5 starters, two which will be out for the Longview game. The good news with the defense, there are guys that can step in and start who got considerable playing time last year. Alot of questions will be answered following the Longview game.

we have exactly one starter on o returning also, but we have several who got considerable PT last year....defense is where we have the inexperience...so we are basically in the same boat....should be interesting.

pack0808

08-30-2006, 10:27 PM

I don't know how this compares to Longview, but WM returns only one offensive starter, Mario Wiley. He is a junior WR. We must revamp and entire offensive line (the only returning starter was all-state and was moved to defense. Defense gets first dibs.) New QB, new TB, new FB, new WR and TE's. Offense takes longer to gel. Anyway, you get the point. Rebel fans have come to know that we just reload around here. We probably have the best skill players we have had since 1998. That is huge for us; and they are young.

On defense, we return 5 starters, two which will be out for the Longview game. The good news with the defense, there are guys that can step in and start who got considerable playing time last year. Alot of questions will be answered following the Longview game.

Well maybe your inexperienced offense that supposedly reloads can score more then the 0 your experienced offense put up the year before. ;)

pack0808

08-30-2006, 10:28 PM

I think i've heard that from you before.....but we are reloading as you shall see..

and that is actually not true we have more coming back than people think with alot of experience from last year.....

Yeah and... I have think I have heard you mention 2003 200 billion times. The same 2003 sesaon where Lufkin beat Longview twice. ;)

carter cowboys

08-30-2006, 10:56 PM

I agree!
does this not make the second time South Garland sent Longview down hghwy 20 surprised?

c-lisle

08-30-2006, 11:10 PM

does this not make the second time South Garland sent Longview down hghwy 20 surprised?

that's original....

c-lisle

08-30-2006, 11:13 PM

Yeah and... I have think I have heard you mention 2003 200 billion times. The same 2003 sesaon where Lufkin beat Longview twice. ;)

hard to resist isn't it......the most talented team Lufkin had before this one was 2003....right? now this is the most talented team ever at Lufkin, hey i wish the best of luck to you...

c-lisle

08-30-2006, 11:15 PM

Yeah and... I have think I have heard you mention 2003 200 billion times. The same 2003 sesaon where Lufkin beat Longview twice. ;)

hey i think we both need new material...LOL. maybe this years game will provide some...no doubt we all know who is gonna win but something interesting is sure to happen.....

pack0808

08-31-2006, 09:48 AM

hard to resist isn't it......the most talented team Lufkin had before this one was 2003....right? now this is the most talented team ever at Lufkin, hey i wish the best of luck to you...

According to div1a talent 2003 was the most talented team but obviously 98,01,02,04, and05 played together better as a team.