Influential coaches

[dcjake]

What coaches in TX HS FB who you label the most influential? Not just W-L, but loved by community, peers, players, etc ...

[dragonsdaddy]

in plano, the most influential person in the last 50 years happens also to have been the hc-john clark.

[BigJim331]

Dodge

[CKE]

Dodge

Yes dodge is a good coach but why will he not look out for players health and test them after all the accusations.

[DragonFan]

It is up to the administration to fund the testing and to mandate the testing. It is not the Head Coaches responsibility to do that. The school board and administration of the Southlake Carroll Independent School District have debated the cost benefit analysis of a full testing program and so far it is deemed not necessary. It is only necessary to keep the other people who do not live in the Southlake Community who want to cast aspersions on SLC to be satisfied. Even then it is a no win situation for SLC because if there is no testing then people think there is something to hide. If there is testing and no one fails, then people will think it is a cover-up. If there is testing and someone is found, then people will say "I told you so".

Those that want to doubt the character and integrity of the SLC program will have their doubts and no matter how much testing is done, you still will not convince them. You have to live in the community and know the integrity of the coaching and the high standards to which the athletes are held before you will be convinced that it is a "clean" system.

I think this can be said about all programs in the state of Texas!

As a parent, I would rather my child ride the pine under the tutelage of Dodge than to start for almost any other program in the state. That is not a knock on any other programs it is just a resounding endorsement for the one that Todd Dodge has instilled at SLC.

[Miss Kitty]

Coach George Posey. He never coached 5A but there is not a place in this state where you can go but someone does not know him and says what an impact he had on their lives. He has been out of coaching for 20 years.

[CKE]

It is up to the administration to fund the testing and to mandate the testing. It is not the Head Coaches responsibility to do that. The school board and administration of the Southlake Carroll Independent School District have debated the cost benefit analysis of a full testing program and so far it is deemed not necessary. It is only necessary to keep the other people who do not live in the Southlake Community who want to cast aspersions on SLC to be satisfied. Even then it is a no win situation for SLC because if there is no testing then people think there is something to hide. If there is testing and no one fails, then people will think it is a cover-up. If there is testing and someone is found, then people will say "I told you so".

Those that want to doubt the character and integrity of the SLC program will have their doubts and no matter how much testing is done, you still will not convince them. You have to live in the community and know the integrity of the coaching and the high standards to which the athletes are held before you will be convinced that it is a "clean" system.

I think this can be said about all programs in the state of Texas!

As a parent, I would rather my child ride the pine under the tutelage of Dodge than to start for almost any other program in the state. That is not a knock on any other programs it is just a resounding endorsement for the one that Todd Dodge has instilled at SLC.



This is a post by another SLC parent...

You did read my next post, right? I think I made it clear that I, as a parent, would even be willing to PAY to have my child tested...



So even people in your community thinks it might be necessary to test there kids and really to tell you the truth I dont think anyone would think its a cover up. Do i think th SLC program is low enough to protect the image and not test there kids just IN CASE there might be a drug problem yes. BUt cover it up no they would not do that.

anyway back to the topic at hand I and sure dodge has a lot of pull aroud the community any coach with that kind of rep. does in any community just like here in SV. If he thought it would be "necessary" to test them after what what was said about them he could. and the money issuse is not a problem. lets think about this. how about that 100 dollers you have to pay to play, game tickets SLC sells(and i know there are tons), sponserships from under armor, and booster money go to paying to make sure your children stay safe other than new equimpment every yearand a huge pointless horn that yall just had to have every time you score. not to mention that SLC has the money in the community to pay for such things AND a drug test

[drgnbkr]

This is a post by another SLC parent...




So even people in your community thinks it might be necessary to test there kids and really to tell you the truth I dont think anyone would think its a cover up. Do i think th SLC program is low enough to protect the image and not test there kids just IN CASE there might be a drug problem yes. BUt cover it up no they would not do that.

anyway back to the topic at hand I and sure dodge has a lot of pull aroud the community any coach with that kind of rep. does in any community just like here in SV. If he thought it would be "necessary" to test them after what what was said about them he could. and the money issuse is not a problem. lets think about this. how about that 100 dollers you have to pay to play, game tickets SLC sells(and i know there are tons), sponserships from under armor, and booster money go to paying to make sure your children stay safe other than new equimpment every yearand a huge pointless horn that yall just had to have every time you score. not to mention that SLC has the money in the community to pay for such things AND a drug test

Is there some reason you are hung up on testing? This program has been under a microscope for as long as I can remember...what do you know that everyone else does'nt?
Back to the thread that you hijacked...Coaches Ledbetter (who hired Dodge) and Dodge are the 2 most influential I've ever seen....

[farmerfan]

In the city of Lewisville there are 2. Former HC Neil Wilson who coached from 17978-1985 and was AD of the district from 1986-1997. His staff produced coaches such as the late Tommy Briggs, Que Brittain, Ronnie Gage all who led successfull programs in the LISD. Wilson est a relationship with his players that was said to be special and taught them many valuable lessons.

The other would be Coach Ronnie Gage. He coached at LHS from 1991-2004. He is not only the winngest coach in Lewisville history but one of the greatest guys I have ever met. His passion and love for the kids was second to none and his involvement in the community was outstanding. His impact was felt on more than the football program but extended througout the school and community. His leadership is missed big time at Lewisville and I cant wait to see what he does at Austin College.

[CKE]

Is there some reason you are hung up on testing? This program has been under a microscope for as long as I can remember...what do you know that everyone else does'nt?
Back to the thread that you hijacked...Coaches Ledbetter (who hired Dodge) and Dodge are the 2 most influential I've ever seen....

Yes there is a reason I just lost a friend that I have known since i was born a month ago to this stupid ****. So yes there would be one thing I know that you dont. I have friends in dallas I have spent a whole summer there with an ex GF who also lost a very good friend to this stuff that went to plano. The time I spent there i learned 2 things what schools did them and to speak up when you know a freind is doing something that is going to hurt them in the long run you older people think that you are so wise and know what is going on. well guess what you have no clue your generation is gone and a new one is taking its place. We will be the ones to deal with it. and when we are older there will be some just like you that will still think what is going on and not listen to the new generation because they will want to protect the image of there home and win a freakin football game rather than keep there children safe. and this post does not just apply to SLC it applys to every school in texas including SV. Now go back to the topic at hand and talk about your O so great coach that has made a name for SLC football wise but for some reason not care to test if they are doing something that could kill them. Have at it

[drgnbkr]

Yes there is a reason I just lost a friend that I have known since i was born a month ago to this stupid ****. So yes there would be one thing I know that you dont. I have friends in dallas I have spent a whole summer there with an ex GF who also lost a very good friend to this stuff that went to plano. The time I spent there i learned 2 things what schools did them and to speak up when you know a freind is doing something that is going to hurt them in the long run you older people think that you are so wise and know what is going on. well guess what you have no clue your generation is gone and a new one is taking its place. We will be the ones to deal with it. and when we are older there will be some just like you that will still think what is going on and not listen to the new generation because they will want to protect the image of there home and win a freakin football game rather than keep there children safe. and this post does not just apply to SLC it applys to every school in texas including SV. Now go back to the topic at hand and talk about your O so great coach that has made a name for SLC football wise but for some reason not care to test if they are doing something that could kill them. Have at it

I'm sorry about your loss, and its obvious your passionate about the subject. I also know you played the game for SV and are in the loop with other players. I'm a parent & believe me if you think Coach Dodge is sticking his head in the sand in the interest of winning, you just don't know the man. Drugs and alcohol are a huge problem everywhere and the Carroll coaches and parents are doing all they can to raise good students and athletes. Do you think the same of Coach Hill?

[DragonFan]

Boy, that last post by coolestkid had all the makings of Roid Rage!

Steroids are bad and are very harmfull to anyone who uses them. If you want to talk about the harm of steroids and blast all the top tier teams with baseless allegations, please do so in a different thread. This thread is about the good that coaches have done.

Coach Dodge makes sure that his players are the leaders in the school and has leadership classes for the players and instills in them the need to be above reproach! At the conclusion of his football skills camp he always talks about what it takes to be a Dragon. He told all the players there that if you see someon that you have not seen before, that it is your duty as a Dragon to meet that someone and make sure that the person is directed to where he or she needes to go. The Dragon players are the ones that look out for those that cannot look out for themselfs. The honor and integrity that he instills in his players is what makes the team the TEAM that it is.

[CKE]

I'm sorry about your loss, and its obvious your passionate about the subject. I also know you played the game for SV and are in the loop with other players. I'm a parent & believe me if you think Coach Dodge is sticking his head in the sand in the interest of winning, you just don't know the man. Drugs and alcohol are a huge problem everywhere and the Carroll coaches and parents are doing all they can to raise good students and athletes. Do you think the same of Coach Hill?


I apoligize for the remarks in the recent post. Yes i do think that there should be testing in the Sv program the whole reason my friend started was because he thought he would be able to get on a college football team and never made it. when he got out of high school he started doing the stuff to try to walk onto a team. I think that if there was an accusation like there was at SLC at SV and knowing how much pull coach hill has and he did not do anything about it the i would lose all respect for him not as a coach but as a man. Your right i dont know dodge as a man and only as a great coach and for all i know he could have done everything in his power to get to the bottom of it so I am sorry for what i said.


P.S. on a good note about SLC i would think that yalls DC that yall lost the year before 04 should be on this list of influential coaches because i saw the impact it had on the coaches and players that year.

[CKE]

Boy, that last post by coolestkid had all the makings of Roid Rage!

Steroids are bad and are very harmfull to anyone who uses them. If you want to talk about the harm of steroids and blast all the top tier teams with baseless allegations, please do so in a different thread. This thread is about the good that coaches have done.

Coach Dodge makes sure that his players are the leaders in the school and has leadership classes for the players and instills in them the need to be above reproach! At the conclusion of his football skills camp he always talks about what it takes to be a Dragon. He told all the players there that if you see someon that you have not seen before, that it is your duty as a Dragon to meet that someone and make sure that the person is directed to where he or she needes to go. The Dragon players are the ones that look out for those that cannot look out for themselfs. The honor and integrity that he instills in his players is what makes the team the TEAM that it is.
you can call it rage if you want. I just pray to god that you never have to experiance it with your son. and a nation wide article about how your school may be on steroids would would not be a baseless accusation.

[drgnbkr]

you can call it rage if you want. I just pray to god that you never have to experiance it with your son. and a nation wide article about how your school may be on steroids would would not be a baseless accusation.

I thought we were getting somewhere here and then the above?? What the hell are you talking about?

[farmerfan]

I thought we were getting somewhere here and then the above?? What the hell are you talking about?


Sounds like he may be getting Colleyville mixed up with Southlake.

[dragonsdaddy]

Sounds like he may be getting Colleyville mixed up with Southlake.
i guess all us rich, white cities look alike.

[drgnbkr]

i guess all us rich, white cities look alike.

As Mayor Stacy once said.."Everybody knows all the rich folks live over in Colleyville"....:D

[WestlandTiger'95]

how did you goofs turn this into a steriod thread.....KT2000 already designated a thread for that...come on, grow up

[dragonsdaddy]

how did you goofs turn this into a steriod thread.....KT2000 already designated a thread for that...come on, grow up
make that goof, single. you are speaking only at cke.

[CKE]

I thought we were getting somewhere here and then the above?? What the hell are you talking about?

no he said baseless and i said there was a base. we did get somewhere look I apoligize for what I said it sucks to lose a friend that you have known for 19 years this is a subject i need to stay out of because of emotions congrats to dodge and all the things he has do for SLC

[DrEdward]

I am of a general opinion that coaches at every school can be one of the most influential coaches in any child's life. Aside from the fact that my father started out as a coach, I know that one of the most important guys in my life was a high school tennis coach. Now, I was not on the tennis team at all, but this man also taught economics and governement in high school and he was the person who first interested me in the subject that I have made a career out of.

[CKE]

Sounds like he may be getting Colleyville mixed up with Southlake.

No i was talking about the grapevine deal. he said basless acuusations on good teams.

[CKE]

make that goof, single. you are speaking only at cke.
Yes we all know DD tends to shy away from the subject and when he does want to talk about it the only way he can answer is with a question

[drgnbkr]

Yes we all know DD tends to shy away from the subject and when he does want to talk about it the only way he can answer is with a question

Like I said..you have been affected personally by this stuff..we ought to put this subject away for another day...We all have "how coaches influenced me" stories..can we get back on that track? I've played golf pretty much all of my life..I remember our high school golf coach in New Braunfels was also our basketball coach and he did'nt know a driver from a putter...we would show up on the first tee for a tournament and he would line us up for jumping jacks, etc to loosen us up...kind of embarrasing...but we were pretty good!

[DrEdward]

Like I said..you have been affected personally by this stuff..we ought to put this subject away for another day...We all have "how coaches influenced me" stories..can we get back on that track?

Hey, I tried. There is another topic on drug testing on this board already.

[bubbacoach]

Anyone that does not include D.W. Rutledge has got to be kidding himself. He is now the head man in charge of the High School coaches association, in which obviously he has a great influence over all coaches, but he is a man that every kid that ever played for him has a story about him.

[SLCDad]

Yes dodge is a good coach but why will he not look out for players health and test them after all the accusations.I'd suggest not arguing with a fool like this. Based on this post, he is an idiot.

[WestlandTiger'95]

never argue with a goof....they'll drag you down to the pits of stupidity and overwhelm you with experience.

[Crank_It]

.....back to the topic: DW Ruteledge

knew what it took to win, knew how to keep potential trouble-makers off the street and into extra curriculars.

[Miss Kitty]

I'd suggest not arguing with a fool like this. Based on this post, he is an idiot.

With all due respect, I must disagree with you on this. CK is not an idiot. He is passionate about a subject and if you read through the thread he explains his reason and also apologized for some of his remarks. That alone shows he has more strength in character than some.

I understand your feelings, as we at Katy hear things such as that allot. And we just roll our eyes and wonder where it is coming from. We hear it about SLC too but being in the same position, understand that sources may not always be accurate. It does not make a person an idiot because they have recieved information from a source and want to explore the details.

[KT2000]

Current Head Coach Gary Joseph and former Head Coach Mike Johnston have obviously be hugely influential on many lives since they both came to Katy in the early 80s (mine included). I remember Coach Johnston telling a story about how some of his coaching friends told him he shouldn't come to Katy, and that he couldn't build a winner here. However, coach said he saw the same blue collar work ethic in Katy's community that he saw in his days growing up in Galena Park.

I think these quotes just about say it all...

"In this day and time, it is easy to look out for No. 1, but if you do that, then only you and maybe your immediate family are happy for you. Sports is more than just winning. Sure, you want to win, but this is a tool to teach young men how to become leaders -- good husbands and good fathers. If you're going to be a good husband and father, then you have to learn how to put somebody before you. That's what we teach. When we're all working towards the same goal, then the individual success will take care of itself. That's why we play so many kids. They're all important to us." - Mike Johnston

"Excellence is perfection. We try to make sure that our kids are as well-coached as they need to be. They have to understand what we are doing to understand what we want. They need to understand not what they're doing just at their positions, but at all positions. That is striving for perfection, but that is also being excellent."- Gary Joseph

"We always want the best for them (players), but true leadership comes from within. I think the captains have as much to say as the coaches. And they are excellent leaders. Their peers know them well, and they pick great captains. It's not the Mike Johnston program or the Gary Joseph program. It's the Katy Tigers football program."- Mike Johnston

And the first thing you see on the Field House when you walk in just above the trophy case...

"When excellence becomes tradition, greatness has no limits."

[AZTiger]

Well obviously I second what KT2K said, but I was hoping I could beat the Judson guys here and say DW Rutledge. Not so much for community influence, etc, but for a good part of 2 decades, he's techniques and style of running a program could be found all throughout the state.

[CKE]

I'd suggest not arguing with a fool like this. Based on this post, he is an idiot.

Your the one with the Name SLCDAD calling a 19 year old an idiot because I said to drug test your kids. Not for fairness in football but for there lives. but yeah im the idiot. nice mature post there SLCDAD.:rolleyes:

[dragonsdaddy]

With all due respect, I must disagree with you on this. CK is not an idiot. He is passionate about a subject and if you read through the thread he explains his reason and also apologized for some of his remarks. That alone shows he has more strength in character than some.

I understand your feelings, as we at Katy hear things such as that allot. And we just roll our eyes and wonder where it is coming from. We hear it about SLC too but being in the same position, understand that sources may not always be accurate. It does not make a person an idiot because they have recieved information from a source and want to explore the details.
being passionate doesn't give one the right to take variably worthless info and extrapolate these into hurtful/libelous deductions and statements of "fact". i chose long ago a route which has been variably successful in dealing with the likes of which we are discussing. it isn't 100%, but it isn't bad, either.

[CKE]

being passionate doesn't give one the right to take variably worthless info and extrapolate these into hurtful/libelous deductions and statements of "fact". i chose long ago a route which has been variably successful in dealing with the likes of which we are discussing. it isn't 100%, but it isn't bad, either.

Not once did i state that what I have said was a fact. I said drug test the kids a prove me.....no dallas........no the state.......nope not even that......the nation wrong. I saw a good point in another post drug test them and its all over shut every one up because until then there are going to be more questions from everyone.

[BigJim331]

....once you get the Uni's off, all you see is a bunch of skinny, undersized kids. I don't get the whole SLC-Steroid thing. If these guys are on steroids they are getting ripped off.

Now Plano on the other hand....whew! Those guys are monsters!!! :eek:

[Miss Kitty]

being passionate doesn't give one the right to take variably worthless info and extrapolate these into hurtful/libelous deductions and statements of "fact". i chose long ago a route which has been variably successful in dealing with the likes of which we are discussing. it isn't 100%, but it isn't bad, either.


I know passion doesn't give anyone the right to do things. But it doesn't give open passage to be called an idiot either. Especially after he stepped up and apoligized and admitted he could be wrong. We all say things from time to time which we wish we wouldn't have or perhaps would have said differently. But stepping up and admiting that is the right thing to do here and that is certainly not the makings of an idiot. IMO

[drgnbkr]

Not once did i state that what I have said was a fact. I said drug test the kids a prove me.....no dallas........no the state.......nope not even that......the nation wrong. I saw a good point in another post drug test them and its all over shut every one up because until then there are going to be more questions from everyone.

Help us out CK..who in the area, state, nation says there is a problem at
Southlake? How do we disprove a negative? Where are you getting this stuff?

[farmerfan]

....once you get the Uni's off, all you see is a bunch of skinny, undersized kids. I don't get the whole SLC-Steroid thing. If these guys are on steroids they are getting ripped off.

Now Plano on the other hand....whew! Those guys are monsters!!! :eek:


I guess we have seen some different teams. I in no way have seen a bunch of skinny kids. Sure the WR are smaller than most on the team but where is that not the case? Just from last year, Padron, Benoist, Powers, Boydston were all huge. Not saying they are on roids, but they are far from skinny. Last years Carroll team had one of the bigger O-Lines not named Euless Trinity that I saw. The Front 7 was also very big especially in the LB corps. In no way would I say is Carroll undersized.

[CKE]

Help us out CK..who in the area, state, nation says there is a problem at
Southlake? How do we disprove a negative? Where are you getting this stuff?

drgnbkr if you really have to ask this question then you must be blind. swollow the pride and take it. If the Kts would let me(which I know they wont) I would make a poll and ask who THINKS(key word there) that SLC has a steroid problem do you really think more people will say no the yes? I like you drgnbkr your one of the SLC posters on here i do like and i am not tryingn to attack you neither am I trying to put SLC down i have said many great things about them I have met some of there players and hung out with them. but this is an issue that for some reason not one of you on this board are willing to accept. And i still dont understand how yall have more pride for your football team than your own childrens lives

[Miss Kitty]

I guess we have seen some different teams. I in no way have seen a bunch of skinny kids. Sure the WR are smaller than most on the team but where is that not the case? Just from last year, Padron, Benoist, Powers, Boydston were all huge. Not saying they are on roids, but they are far from skinny. Last years Carroll team had one of the bigger O-Lines not named Euless Trinity that I saw. The Front 7 was also very big especially in the LB corps. In no way would I say is Carroll undersized.

I have to agree. I have a friend who was on the field during their pre-game warm up, without the pads, and he said they were huge from his vantage point. But guess what, big boys play football. That is not shocking.

[CKE]

....once you get the Uni's off, all you see is a bunch of skinny, undersized kids. I don't get the whole SLC-Steroid thing. If these guys are on steroids they are getting ripped off.

Now Plano on the other hand....whew! Those guys are monsters!!! :eek:

Biggest guys I ever went up against.

[dcjake]

Hmmm ... asked for most influential coaches, got an argument about steroid testing instead.

[drgnbkr]

drgnbkr if you really have to ask this question then you must be blind. swollow the pride and take it. If the Kts would let me(which I know they wont) I would make a poll and ask who THINKS(key word there) that SLC has a steroid problem do you really think more people will say no the yes? I like you drgnbkr your one of the SLC posters on here i do like and i am not tryingn to attack you neither am I trying to put SLC down i have said many great things about them I have met some of there players and hung out with them. but this is an issue that for some reason not one of you on this board are willing to accept. And i still dont understand how yall have more pride for your football team than your own childrens lives

Sorry bud, you've got to be living in an alternate universe...I know your not attacking me but as ddaddy said, you can't just throw bogus accusations out there and hope they stick...thats whats getting you off track here...when did training, you know getting up at 6:30 to be in the weight room by 7 AM every morning turn into some abuse thing...This is not an issue at Carroll..It is'nt so just because you make lame, unsubstatiated charges....you've got your universes mixed up.

[dragonfootballfan]

drgnbkr if you really have to ask this question then you must be blind. swollow the pride and take it. If the Kts would let me(which I know they wont) I would make a poll and ask who THINKS(key word there) that SLC has a steroid problem do you really think more people will say no the yes? I like you drgnbkr your one of the SLC posters on here i do like and i am not tryingn to attack you neither am I trying to put SLC down i have said many great things about them I have met some of there players and hung out with them. but this is an issue that for some reason not one of you on this board are willing to accept. And i still dont understand how yall have more pride for your football team than your own childrens lives
Make your poll and make it public. If the KT's have a problem with it they will delete it.

[CKE]

Nm

[CKE]

Make your poll and make it public. If the KT's have a problem with it they will delete it.
And ban me....................

[CKE]

deleted

[dragonfootballfan]

And ban me....................
they will not ban you. They have let you get away with worse in the past

[CKE]

they will not ban you. They have let you get away with worse in the past

well go ahead and get KT200 to tell me that and I will be happy to do it anyway just go ahead and click on the link above and tell me that your SLC kids are perfect.

[DragonFan]

In politics, it is always easier to accuse and then make your opponent waste time and energy to prove his innocence. Most of the time, the accusations are baseless and are done solely to discredit the other person. The only ways to combat accuse and run tactics is to ignore them. There have been several in-house investigations about the steroid issue and there has never been any abuse found.

Now there will be people that say a cover-up was done. Well when there was never any proof of a problem, then there darn sure cannot be any proof of a cover-up of something that did not happen.

In a perfect world, everyone should be tested. That I agree on. However, do not cast dispersions on a coach or a community that does not test. The political realities of this are: You test everyone and find nothing then there is a syndical "cover-up" accusation. You do not test then there is the "something to hide" accusation. You test and find something then everyone is guilty by default and the "I told you so" accusation.

I am sure that there will be a time when all programs and all extra-curricular activates in Texas will be tested. That time will come when there is money that can be spent on that and not spent on advanced foreign language teachers or a medical academy, or extra special ed. programs. You tell me which is more important. Chasing an accusation that has been proven wrong and unfounded or funding extra programs for educational excellence.

[CKE]

In politics, it is always easier to accuse and then make your opponent waste time and energy to prove his innocence. Most of the time, the accusations are baseless and are done solely to discredit the other person. The only ways to combat accuse and run tactics is to ignore them. There have been several in-house investigations about the steroid issue and there has never been any abuse found.

Now there will be people that say a cover-up was done. Well when there was never any proof of a problem, then there darn sure cannot be any proof of a cover-up of something that did not happen.

In a perfect world, everyone should be tested. That I agree on. However, do not cast dispersions on a coach or a community that does not test. The political realities of this are: You test everyone and find nothing then there is a syndical "cover-up" accusation. You do not test then there is the "something to hide" accusation. You test and find something then everyone is guilty by default and the "I told you so" accusation.

I am sure that there will be a time when all programs and all extra-curricular activates in Texas will be tested. That time will come when there is money that can be spent on that and not spent on advanced foreign language teachers or a medical academy, or extra special ed. programs. You tell me which is more important. Chasing an accusation that has been proven wrong and unfounded or funding extra programs for educational excellence.


See now thank you.That is a good post. I had no idea there have been in house investigations. And the cover up is BS in no way would i think there is a cover up the school would not go that low.

[KT2000]

Please get off of the steroid discussion in this thread, or it will be locked.

[lonny23]

Help us out CK..who in the area, state, nation says there is a problem at
Southlake? How do we disprove a negative? Where are you getting this stuff?
NM. I'll tell you what I said if any of you guys want to PM me.

[lonny23]

Hmmm ... asked for most influential coaches, got an argument about steroid testing instead.
NM. PM me if anybody wants to know.

[lonny23]

Please get off of the steroid discussion in this thread, or it will be locked.
Sorry, KT.

I posted before I read this.

[dragonsdaddy]

NM. PM me if anybody wants to know.
lonny, to tell you the truth, your opinion and $2.25 will get a pretty good cup of coffee right doen the street from my house. i guess i'll pass as i'm a green tea imbiber, tyvm.

[CKE]

lonny, to tell you the truth, your opinion and $2.25 will get a pretty good cup of coffee right doen the street from my house. i guess i'll pass as i'm a green tea imbiber, tyvm.


hmmmm I already Pmed him and he has so pretty good stuff to say. things that you and the rest of southlake say could never happen but pretty good stuff to the rest of the world.

[Firebird]

Well, back to influential head coaches in Texas.

The conversation must start with Gordon Wood (Brownwood), a true legend, beloved by the town, et.c, etc.

Moore of Celina and Pilate Point sureley has his name pop up in any conversation, who knows how many HC's he has mentored/inspired over the years.

I am also going to list Bob McQueen from Temple, Gary Gaines (mostly for his time at Permian) and John Wilkins also for his work at Permian, and Eddy Peach from Arlington Lamar as coaches who had a bunch of influence and impact on the way the HS game is played. And, of course, DW Rutledge.

Finally, I am putting up Sonny Detmer (Mission and SA) for being one of the passing game's pioneers in Texas.

[drgnbkr]

hmmmm I already Pmed him and he has so pretty good stuff to say. things that you and the rest of southlake say could never happen but pretty good stuff to the rest of the world.

C'mon kid...your crap is getting old...I've tried to understand what your getting at but I give up...I guess we can wait and see if SV ever figures out how to beat Carroll & maybe you'll get your panties untwisted? Maybe? Ya think? Get a grip son..Your not going to come on here and spew your ignorant BS and not get a response...

[DiamondJ2]

Well, back to influential head coaches in Texas.

The conversation must start with Gordon Wood (Brownwood), a true legend, beloved by the town, et.c, etc.

Moore of Celina and Pilate Point sureley has his name pop up in any conversation, who knows how many HC's he has mentored/inspired over the years.

I am also going to list Bob McQueen from Temple, Gary Gaines (mostly for his time at Permian) and John Wilkins also for his work at Permian, and Eddy Peach from Arlington Lamar as coaches who had a bunch of influence and impact on the way the HS game is played. And, of course, DW Rutledge.

Finally, I am putting up Sonny Detmer (Mission and SA) for being one of the passing game's pioneers in Texas.

Some excellent men, Firebird. I would also like to add John Ferrara for his work at SA Lee, Clemens, and Antonian, along with Gustafson at Uvalde and Churchill. James Littleton in basketball at various SA schools.

[CKE]

LMAO like i said you think its all still about high school football. Please you guys are so freakin funny. at first i was mad now i just cant stop laughing. thats all you dragon fans are on this board a bunch of washed out old timers who still live through there community high schools football program. I bet your one of those dads that stand on the side line during the games with there sons jersey on and say THATS MY BOY the whole time huh. face it you cant take the fact that every one in the state of texas thinks you guys cheat. and it eats away at you guys in side. in fact i think ill put that link in my sig. just so maybe one day you blind old man can see that you dont live in a prefect world

[farmerfan]

LMAO like i said you think its all still about high school football. Please you guys are so freakin funny. at first i was mad now i just cant stop laughing. thats all you dragon fans are on this board a bunch of washed out old timers who still live through there community high schools football program. I bet your one of those dads that stand on the side line during the games with there sons jersey on and say THATS MY BOY the whole time huh. face it you cant take the fact that every one in the state of texas thinks you guys cheat. and it eats away at you guys in side. in fact i think ill put that link in my sig. just so maybe one day you blind old man can see that you dont live in a prefect world

I know this isnt my fight and that dgrbkr can defend himself. However after meeting him last year he is a great guy with a lot of compassion in his heart. Seeing that he has his first son in HS this year I believe it would be hard for him to be sitting on the sideline saying thats my boy. Who are you to say how he should parent his kid? I am sure he monitors what his kids are doing would be able to tell if their attitudes started to be affected. I know you are passionate about drugs and that is great. My friends and I lost a very close friend back in 2001 a year after I graduated high school to a OD. If affected us all greatly and no matter how much you try to inform people you have to realize that this stuff sad as it is, is going to happen. I just dont think you need to make this personal concerning dgrbkr, from my conversations with him on this board and after meeting him he clearly will do whats best for his kids in the long run just as most parents will.

[Firebird]

And how could I forget Danaher down at CC Calallen, THE current South Texas coaching legend..........

[CKE]

I know this isnt my fight and that dgrbkr can defend himself. However after meeting him last year he is a great guy with a lot of compassion in his heart. Seeing that he has his first son in HS this year I believe it would be hard for him to be sitting on the sideline saying thats my boy. Who are you to say how he should parent his kid? I am sure he monitors what his kids are doing would be able to tell if their attitudes started to be affected. I know you are passionate about drugs and that is great. My friends and I lost a very close friend back in 2001 a year after I graduated high school to a OD. If affected us all greatly and no matter how much you try to inform people you have to realize that this stuff sad as it is, is going to happen. I just dont think you need to make this personal concerning dgrbkr, from my conversations with him on this board and after meeting him he clearly will do whats best for his kids in the long run just as most parents will.

If you read back on my posts i said that i was not trying to put down drgbkrn and that he was one of the SLC posters i liked but the he had to start with the shots at me. All because i said that there are drugs in SLC and not one person will admit it

[DragonWatcher]

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That seems a little bit of a jerky thing to do posting some non involved person's myspace to prove a community has a performance enchancing drug problem. And still the whole logic to your argument seems fundementally flawed as the only way marijuana could be considered a performance enhancing drug was if there was a giant bag of chips and hershey's bar in the endzone.


I learned some of the most important lessons of my life through Coach Dodge and the SLC program about teamwork and your role. I wasn't great, probably in all honesty wasn't good but I felt like i had a role on the team and I did my best to make sure what I did was what the team needed. Now later on I've got different more "starting" roles in things that I do but I still understand the basics of teamwork which has proved invaluable throughout life.

[farmerfan]

If you read back on my posts i said that i was not trying to put down drgbkrn and that he was one of the SLC posters i liked but the he had to start with the shots at me. All because i said that there are drugs in SLC and not one person will admit it

I am sure they will admit it just like in every community, heck I myself am guilty in adventuring into drugs at one point in my life, not proud to admit it but its true. They are in every community its just the whole steriods deal without evidence is what will get people fired up. We all have presumptions on different things, until they can be proven fact they will just remain a presumption.

[CKE]

That seems a little bit of a jerky thing to do posting some non involved person's myspace to prove a community has a performance enchancing drug problem. And still the whole logic to your argument seems fundementally flawed as the only way marijuana could be considered a performance enhancing drug was if there was a giant bag of chips and hershey's bar in the endzone.


I learned some of the most important lessons of my life through Coach Dodge and the SLC program about teamwork and your role. I wasn't great, probably in all honesty wasn't good but I felt like i had a role on the team and I did my best to make sure what I did was what the team needed. Now later on I've got different more "starting" roles in things that I do but I still understand the basics of teamwork which has proved invaluable throughout life.


Non involved??? he played corner back for yall and the subject was not just steriods it is drugs in particular. and you dont have to defend coach dodge against me i have said im sorry for the comments I made about him and took them bach. once again I apoligize for that

[CKE]

You know im done with this subject its getting no where. drgbkr best of luck to your son in high school

[DragonWatcher]

I don't think a single southlake poster has ever said that no Southlake player has ever done an illegal substance. There is however a difference between marijuana and steriods, namely marijuana wont give you an unfair advantage on the field.

Your dealing with idiotic generalities about an entire program that you didn't participate in, so you'll have to excuse me when it comes across to someone who lived in Southlake that your views seem based on a personal vendetta against a team that beat you twice. If you can generalize why can't I?

[lonny23]

lonny, to tell you the truth, your opinion and $2.25 will get a pretty good cup of coffee right doen the street from my house. i guess i'll pass as i'm a green tea imbiber, tyvm.
I was very diplomatic in my original post and only deleted the message because KT asked us to stop talking about the subject. I didn't give my opinion, either.

[CKE]

I don't think a single southlake poster has ever said that no Southlake player has ever done an illegal substance. There is however a difference between marijuana and steriods, namely marijuana wont give you an unfair advantage on the field.

Your dealing with idiotic generalities about an entire program that you didn't participate in, so you'll have to excuse me when it comes across to someone who lived in Southlake that your views seem based on a personal vendetta against a team that beat you twice. If you can generalize why can't I?

No dragonwatcher I am not one of those guys that lives through his high school the only reason i still have ties with it is because my brother plays for SV. when he is gone i will easily be able to walk away from it and not look back. And you dont have to live in a community to know what goes on it. and you can generalize all you want. look at SV the whole KKK on the bus thing made us look racist. Now are we no but we sure as hall made CNN for a thing that one kid did. is there racist people in SV?? Hell yes there is. and by all means say what you want about the whole school and the football team the rest of San Antonio did. even the football players got blamed for it and they were on the field. but the difference in the SV kids and SLC kids is that we admit that we do have a problem in our community with racist people.

[lonny23]

That seems a little bit of a jerky thing to do posting some non involved person's myspace to prove a community has a performance enchancing drug problem. And still the whole logic to your argument seems fundementally flawed as the only way marijuana could be considered a performance enhancing drug was if there was a giant bag of chips and hershey's bar in the endzone.


I learned some of the most important lessons of my life through Coach Dodge and the SLC program about teamwork and your role. I wasn't great, probably in all honesty wasn't good but I felt like i had a role on the team and I did my best to make sure what I did was what the team needed. Now later on I've got different more "starting" roles in things that I do but I still understand the basics of teamwork which has proved invaluable throughout life.
Ol' boy might like weed, but he also has a Texas Tech cheerleader and Jenna Jameson as friends!:D

[drgnbkr]

LMAO like i said you think its all still about high school football. Please you guys are so freakin funny. at first i was mad now i just cant stop laughing. thats all you dragon fans are on this board a bunch of washed out old timers who still live through there community high schools football program. I bet your one of those dads that stand on the side line during the games with there sons jersey on and say THATS MY BOY the whole time huh. face it you cant take the fact that every one in the state of texas thinks you guys cheat. and it eats away at you guys in side. in fact i think ill put that link in my sig. just so maybe one day you blind old man can see that you dont live in a prefect world

You are the only one on here talking about it, and it has gotten you exactly nowhere. My youngest is one of 115 freshmen out for football, and I would look pretty silly in a Dragons jersey on the sidelines..the coaches would politely ask me to go join my wife in the stands....After being a fan of Carroll Football for 14 years, I can think of nowhere I would rather have my son in school and if he so chooses, involved in sports. My first 2 made it through the Carroll system just fine, in spite of your dire observations. Get a life and go find some other program to dis..this ones in good shape. Is it perfect? No way....is everyone working to do the best they can?...Absolutely!

[SLCDad]

Your the one with the Name SLCDAD calling a 19 year old an idiot because I said to drug test your kids. Not for fairness in football but for there lives. but yeah im the idiot. nice mature post there SLCDAD.:rolleyes:You made a personal attack against Coach Dodge. He is as fine a man as you will ever find.

Your attack was idiotic. Your post was idiotic.

You are probably a nice person, but in this case your post was not.

[SLCDad]

With all due respect, I must disagree with you on this. CK is not an idiot. He is passionate about a subject and if you read through the thread he explains his reason and also apologized for some of his remarks. That alone shows he has more strength in character than some.

I understand your feelings, as we at Katy hear things such as that allot. And we just roll our eyes and wonder where it is coming from. We hear it about SLC too but being in the same position, understand that sources may not always be accurate. It does not make a person an idiot because they have recieved information from a source and want to explore the details.Perhaps I should have reworded my post. CKE made a personal attack against Coach Dodge. If you knew him, you would know that CKE's post was idiotic. I stand by that.

[SLCDad]

Yes dodge is a good coach but why will he not look out for players health and test them after all the accusations.THIS STATEMENT IS FULL OF INUENDO. WHAT ACCUSATIONS? THIS STATEMENT IS IDIOTIC.

[SLCDad]

....once you get the Uni's off, all you see is a bunch of skinny, undersized kids. I don't get the whole SLC-Steroid thing. If these guys are on steroids they are getting ripped off.Coach Dodge was quoted in the Dallas Morning News yesterday. He said there are a lot of teams that fill out the uniforms better than we do.

[SLCDad]

LMAO like i said you think its all still about high school football. Please you guys are so freakin funny. at first i was mad now i just cant stop laughing. thats all you dragon fans are on this board a bunch of washed out old timers who still live through there community high schools football program. I bet your one of those dads that stand on the side line during the games with there sons jersey on and say THATS MY BOY the whole time huh. face it you cant take the fact that every one in the state of texas thinks you guys cheat. and it eats away at you guys in side. in fact i think ill put that link in my sig. just so maybe one day you blind old man can see that you dont live in a prefect worldThis may be CKE's most idiotic post yet.

[drgnbkr]

This may be CKE's most idiotic post yet.

He's mad about something, we may never know what....:eek:

[dragonfootballfan]

He's mad about something, we may never know what....:eek:
He is mad because he lost a state championship to a team that was better than his and the only thing that he can hang onto is some disillusioned theory that his team should have won because the Carroll team was cheating.

[drgnbkr]

He is mad because he lost a state championship to a team that was better than his and the only thing that he can hang onto is some disillusioned theory that his team should have won because the Carroll team was cheating.

You may be right, he's really gone off on this one. I understand his loss of a good friend, but I don't get the wild accusations against Carroll. I understand envy and bitterness can cloud good judgement, but he's gone flying over the edge on this.

[Miss Kitty]

Perhaps I should have reworded my post. CKE made a personal attack against Coach Dodge. If you knew him, you would know that CKE's post was idiotic. I stand by that.


That, I would agree with. I am guilty of it myself from time to time. ;)

[dragonsdaddy]

This may be CKE's most idiotic post yet.
DO AS I HAVE AND SAVE YOUR ANGER FOR SOMETHING AND SOMEONE WORTH THE EFFORT. USE THE IGNORE FUNCTION ON ALL THE CKE TYPES AND RELAX.(sorry for the caps)

[Miss Kitty]

You are the only one on here talking about it, and it has gotten you exactly nowhere. My youngest is one of 115 freshmen out for football, and I would look pretty silly in a Dragons jersey on the sidelines..the coaches would politely ask me to go join my wife in the stands....After being a fan of Carroll Football for 14 years, I can think of nowhere I would rather have my son in school and if he so chooses, involved in sports. My first 2 made it through the Carroll system just fine, in spite of your dire observations. Get a life and go find some other program to dis..this ones in good shape. Is it perfect? No way....is everyone working to do the best they can?...Absolutely!


If you every get the urge to move....Katy is a pretty good school and Red would look good on you. :D

[SeguinMatadors]

Okay, I am not going to go back and re-read everything because it is endless banter pretty much saying the same thing in every post.

My thoughts on the issue.

I am recently graduated from HS so I kind of have a huntch of how things happen now days. I have friends from surrounding schools around here. Rich schools, poor schools, schools with good football teams, schools with bad football teams and there is no difference, every school has a section of kids using performance enhancing drugs. It is just too apealing of an edge for every kid on a competitive program to say no to. Especially with all the pub. it gets in the media. Every school has drug issues, period.

That being said, in my opinion, it is just logical to think Southlake Carroll may have a higher number of users than some other schools because of a couple of different variables. One, the kids there have money. With money comes a higher amount of access and afordability of the substances. On top of that, there are pressures that kids playing in Southlake have that don't neccesairly exist at other schools. That comes with playing on a dynasty... one that hasn't ended. One that must be maintained. Don't think their aren't dealers that come into Southlake knowing these kids have money and capatilize on their commitment to excelence and to the dynasty

Bottom line is, there are drugs everywhere in HS. It happens. SL is a great team.

[pack0808]

SLC is not some monster team in terms of size and I think most of these people making crazy accusations are just simply jealous of the SLC dynasty. I just find it ridiculous. There might be a few kids at every school that use performance enhancing drugs under the table without the coaches knowing. That would not be surprising at all considering how poplular it is these days. Kids have always done stuff they should not do under the table without adults knowing (including me) and that is nothing new. But to accuse a whole program and community (coaches and all) of knowingly supplying these kids with illegal drugs without facts is just wrong as it gets. SLC wins on talent, execution, coaching, and smarts. Simple as that. I have nothing but respect for those guys. Yes, even after they beat my team 3 times in a row.