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Rerun
08-11-2006, 02:06 AM
Where could one find an in-depth preview of what to expect from each team in the state's toughest district?

Lonny, maybe you could help me out and give me a breakdown on what exactly Judson brings to the table from your perspective and perhaps you have some inside information on Wagner.

Anyone care to give us the run down on MacArthur and Reagan?

I am assuming Lee will pull an 0'fer again this year in district play but upsets are possible as always.

Churchill has average everything except a really, really good QB, right?

Predictions from me would look like this.

1. Smithson Valley
2. Judson
3. Reagan
4. Roosevelt

KT2000
08-11-2006, 07:09 AM
Here is our prediction for the district (in the Gridiron Guide on this site):

1. Judson
2. Smithson Valley
3. Churchill
4. Reagan
5. Macarthur
6. Madison
7. Roosevelt
8. Wagner
9. Lee

Top 25 Write Ups:

http://www.5atexasfootball.com/06rank10.htm (Judson)

http://www.5atexasfootball.com/06rank11.htm (Smithson Valley)

Reaganrattler07
08-11-2006, 02:06 PM
It would be nice to see in depth previews of each team in this district....but that's a lotta work.

DiamondJ2
08-11-2006, 05:02 PM
don't count out Madison. Look for the playoff teams to be SV, Churchill, Madison & Judson. Reagan should make it (biggest enrollment in district), and the 4th spot will be up for grabs between Madison, Churchill, & Reagan.

Gridiron Gopher
08-11-2006, 05:58 PM
don't count out Madison. Look for the playoff teams to be SV, Churchill, Madison & Judson. Reagan should make it (biggest enrollment in district), and the 4th spot will be up for grabs between Madison, Churchill, & Reagan.

I hope everyone over looks MacArthur. :D

CKE
08-11-2006, 07:22 PM
I hope everyone over looks MacArthur. :D

Mac was the best team not to make the playoffs the past 2 years.

rangerpride
08-11-2006, 10:16 PM
MacArthur has always given SV close ball games. In any other district, they would have been in the playoffs the last 2 years.

Reaganrattler07
08-11-2006, 11:12 PM
Mac was the best team not to make the playoffs the past 2 years.

In '04 they were the second to last team. And this past year they were pretty good.

I'd say Reagan was the best team in '05 to not make the playoffs.

Reaganrattler07
08-11-2006, 11:12 PM
MacArthur has always given SV close ball games. In any other district, they would have been in the playoffs the last 2 years.

Didn't they go 2-8 in '04?

DiamondJ2
08-12-2006, 12:19 AM
I don't believe that anybody is overlooking Mac. On paper they should be one of the four teams, but something just hapens to Mac down the stretch over the last few years.They win a couple of key games, but lose crucial ones and get upset. just haven't been able to put my finger on it. Maybe it's the attitude of winning or not believing they can win the big game. Not sure, but it should be one heck of a distrct race--again as usual.

Mad Hatter
08-12-2006, 12:44 AM
mac hasnt been the same since Matt Escavel

CKE
08-12-2006, 04:52 AM
Didn't they go 2-8 in '04?

I think they won 4 games but all I remember is our D having a very hard time with them. I mean look at madison that year they were a great team and only scored 6 points against SV in the playoffs and that was not even a touchdown it was 2 feild goals.I guess the less "hyped" up teams just step it up more in big games................well except SA lee that is.

lonny23
08-12-2006, 04:56 AM
I'm going to say:

1. Judson- Slight edge over SV
2. SV- Still favored to get to semis
3. Reagan- Wright and kicking game gets them into playoffs
4. MacArthur- One of better Mac teams in recent years
5. Madison- Hard to knock out, but maybe this year they miss the playoffs
6. Churchill- Nothing that excites me
7. Lee- They just might finish higher than 7th
8. Roosevelt- Has speed and isn't a bad team
9. Wagner- I really don't know how good these guys will be

Slim-Rob
08-12-2006, 08:44 AM
In '04 they were the second to last team. And this past year they were pretty good.

I'd say Reagan was the best team in '05 to not make the playoffs.

It depends how u look at it though. Churchill beat a struggling Judson 14-0, Reagan beat Churchill by 21, then turned around and lost the big game, the game that decided if they would make the playoffs for the first time ever, 38-13 against Judson. IDK who was the best

for this year i would say:

1.Judson
1.SV
3. Reagan
4.Churchill
4.Madison
4.Macarthur
7. Wagner (idk why i say this, i just can't see them doing horrible with all those judson coaches)
8. Roosevelt
9. Lee

clemensbuff
08-12-2006, 08:53 AM
It depends how u look at it though. Churchill beat a struggling Judson 14-0, Reagan beat Churchill by 21, then turned around and lost the big game, the game that decided if they would make the playoffs for the first time ever, 38-13 against Judson. IDK who was the best

for this year i would say:

1.Judson
1.SV
3. Reagan
4.Churchill
4.Madison
4.Macarthur
7. Wagner (idk why i say this, i just can't see them doing horrible with all those judson coaches)
8. Roosevelt
9. Lee

And you seem to have forgotten all those Judson players! :D

Seriously, I totally agree with you and think that Wagner will hold their own the first year and be in contention next year for the playoffs. You can't field a team with good athletes and good coaching and not expect them to do good even if they are just starting up!

Hey, did they get Judson Stadium re-painted to be neutral colors so it can be the district stadium? :D What a damn joke! Clemens stadium was done this Summer. Very, very unfair for Wagner and Steele to have to play a district football game against CJ and Clemens in those schools parking lots!!!!

Slim-Rob
08-12-2006, 09:29 AM
And you seem to have forgotten all those Judson players! :D

Seriously, I totally agree with you and think that Wagner will hold their own the first year and be in contention next year for the playoffs. You can't field a team with good athletes and good coaching and not expect them to do good even if they are just starting up!

Hey, did they get Judson Stadium re-painted to be neutral colors so it can be the district stadium? :D What a damn joke! Clemens stadium was done this Summer. Very, very unfair for Wagner and Steele to have to play a district football game against CJ and Clemens in those schools parking lots!!!!

I think they did the visitors pressbox wit wagner stuff. I didn't really look, but i think everything else is the same. The field will say Judson Rockets until a bond issue can pass, then they will change it to prolly Judson and Wagner, or just put Judson ISD or somethin'.

Gridiron Gopher
08-12-2006, 09:30 AM
I don't believe that anybody is overlooking Mac. On paper they should be one of the four teams, but something just hapens to Mac down the stretch over the last few years.They win a couple of key games, but lose crucial ones and get upset. just haven't been able to put my finger on it. Maybe it's the attitude of winning or not believing they can win the big game. Not sure, but it should be one heck of a distrct race--again as usual.

I won't disagree with you but I will tell you this team will be different. This is the biggest team of seniors they've had in a long time and this group of seniors along with the juniors on this team are use to winning in junior high, then freshman teams. Last years team went 5-5-0 and the seniors/juniors on that team were not happy with how the season went or how the leadership of the team was handled.

Most teams run some type of voluntary camp that is run by the seniors (coaches are not allow to run these camps). The last 3 years those camps were a "have fun get together waste of time" IMO. This year is completely different. The seniors have taken control of the camp. They've put players in groups of their positions and they work on position drills, work weights and then work on some 7 on 7 drills (skill positions vs LB's, DB/S) and one on one drills for the lineman. You can see the difference in the attitude of the team and commitment of these players.

I would say that with the talent this squad has plus the fact that the team has taken a new approach to getting ready for the season they will have their best chance to make the playoffs since 1999. Winning the district title will be tough in 265a but it can be done with this group.

Slim-Rob
08-12-2006, 09:48 AM
26-5A is going to be a huge tossup this year. Every team except Lee has a chance to win a few games, and almost every team has a shot at the playoffs, except Lee.

26-5A has 8 teams that would make the playoffs in any other district, district champs depending on the area, and 1 team that would make the playoffs in some districts, just not the 265. We will find out 1 friday (or thursday or saturday) night at a time.

Gridiron Gopher
08-12-2006, 10:11 AM
265a will be tough once again. Last year I thought before the season started that the teams from 4-7 had improved and it showed with Churchill beating SV and Judson, Reagan making a run for a playoff spot and Mac finally getting to .500. This year will even be better. SV and Judson will be considered the top 2 and Madison will be there at the end. They have a very good Junior class that will help with the loss of Caflish and Green. Churchill will have Fanuzzi who can beat anyone when he's on. Reagan will continue to get better but will still have to prove they can replace Greg Jones. As good as Wright is, if they don't have a second option teams will stack the line to stop Wright. Roosevelt will be better. They had off the field issues and this year they field a very good team. They are capable of beating any team in 265a but consistantcy and depth could be a concern. Lee will play very hard and will win at least one district game this year. Maybe more. They are better then most think but winning in 265a is hard. Wagner will be no push over. Some think they could win 3 district games but IMO they just don't have the depth this year. They will get some wins but will end up at the bottom end of the district.

Slim-Rob
08-12-2006, 10:46 AM
265a will be tough once again. Last year I thought before the season started that the teams from 4-7 had improved and it showed with Churchill beating SV and Judson, Reagan making a run for a playoff spot and Mac finally getting to .500. This year will even be better. SV and Judson will be considered the top 2 and Madison will be there at the end. They have a very good Junior class that will help with the loss of Caflish and Green. Churchill will have Fanuzzi who can beat anyone when he's on. Reagan will continue to get better but will still have to prove they can replace Greg Jones. As good as Wright is, if they don't have a second option teams will stack the line to stop Wright. Roosevelt will be better. They had off the field issues and this year they field a very good team. They are capable of beating any team in 265a but consistantcy and depth could be a concern. Lee will play very hard and will win at least one district game this year. Maybe more. They are better then most think but winning in 265a is hard. Wagner will be no push over. Some think they could win 3 district games but IMO they just don't have the depth this year. They will get some wins but will end up at the bottom end of the district.

I agree on most of that except the Wagner depth. I've seen 'em, and while they don't have the depth of some teams, don't think it's not there. I'm not sayin' they are going to make the playoffs but they will fight.

Has any team ever made the playoffs in it's first year being varsity?

Gridiron Gopher
08-12-2006, 11:28 AM
I agree on most of that except the Wagner depth. I've seen 'em, and while they don't have the depth of some teams, don't think it's not there. I'm not sayin' they are going to make the playoffs but they will fight.

Has any team ever made the playoffs in it's first year being varsity?

Probably should have said "as most teams". The fact that you have seen them does help all of us know what Wagner might have. You can probably use what you've seen with Wagner against what you have seen with Judson in the past and give a good comparison to how Wagner will stand up. I try to do the same for Mac. I know how much Mac has improved over the last 2-3 years so I can give everyone here some honest feed back.

There will be no free wins in 265a. Not even Lee!

lonny23
08-12-2006, 11:33 AM
I think they did the visitors pressbox wit wagner stuff. I didn't really look, but i think everything else is the same. The field will say Judson Rockets until a bond issue can pass, then they will change it to prolly Judson and Wagner, or just put Judson ISD or somethin'.It looks like Wagner loses all the way around. They probably should do something, but it's hard to even say Judson ISD.

lonny23
08-12-2006, 11:36 AM
26-5A is going to be a huge tossup this year. Every team except Lee has a chance to win a few games, and almost every team has a shot at the playoffs, except Lee.

26-5A has 8 teams that would make the playoffs in any other district, district champs depending on the area, and 1 team that would make the playoffs in some districts, just not the 265. We will find out 1 friday (or thursday or saturday) night at a time.
Don't count out Lee. With that RB, QB, and WR returning, they might win a few district games.

Gridiron Gopher
08-12-2006, 11:46 AM
Don't count out Lee. With that RB, QB, and WR returning, they might win a few district games.

I agree! Lee will not be a push over. A lot of people have forgot about Lee's RB. He is rated #1 in SA by Rivals and Dave Campbells. Will they win district or make the playoffs.....no but they will not be a "bye week" win like some think.

lonny23
08-12-2006, 11:47 AM
Probably should have said "as most teams". The fact that you have seen them does help all of us know what Wagner might have. You can probably use what you've seen with Wagner against what you have seen with Judson in the past and give a good comparison to how Wagner will stand up. I try to do the same for Mac. I know how much Mac has improved over the last 2-3 years so I can give everyone here some honest feed back.

There will be no free wins in 265a. Not even Lee!
Lee has Travis Lewis at RB 6-2, 220 running a 4.34 and Malcolm Lindsey at WR 6-2, 183 4.52 . Lindsey caught 67-863 and 5 TD's last year and Lewis ran for 517 and 5 TD's. Jerome Tiller 6-2, 166 4.54, is back for another year at QB, too. Overall, Lee has 14 starters coming back. I'm just wondering how good the line blocks for those 3. Lewis and Lindsey are 2 of the best in Texas at their positions.

lonny23
08-12-2006, 11:48 AM
I agree! Lee will not be a push over. A lot of people have forgot about Lee's RB. He is rated #1 in SA by Rivals and Dave Campbells. Will they win district or make the playoffs.....no but they will not be a "bye week" win like some think.
When I saw he ran a 4.34 and the WR-QB combo was back, I decided I was bumping them out of the cellar.

lonny23
08-12-2006, 11:50 AM
While I'm legitimately playing up Lee, I'd like to mention that Laredo United South will be better this year than previous years. 19 starters coming back might be a good thing, but then again those same 19 players went a hideous 0-10 in Laredo last year.

It looks like I need new material!:D

Tut
08-12-2006, 12:07 PM
Has any team ever made the playoffs in it's first year being varsity?
I believe Ft. Bend Hightower did.

BIGrNtx12
08-12-2006, 02:43 PM
1) SV
2) Judson
3) Madison
4) Churchill
5) Mac
6) Reagan

You'll see

Reaganrattler07
08-12-2006, 10:50 PM
Reagan sucks. They shouldn't even unpack the equipment. Out of 3,500 students, Greg Jones was the only one worth playing football. The only way we got the other players were by picking out people at lunch. Marcus Wright sucks, he's slow, weak and inept. Matt Smith couldn't throw to save his life, heck I saw someone had to help him carry his water bottle. Coach Wetzel, with his salary that far outdoes many, isn't a good headcoach. Our recievers couldn't catch a cold if they tried. Our defense couldn't tackle an 8 year old child. Our kicker can't kick extra points. We have the worst attendance rates in the district. This i just the football team! Just to let you all know what we have to live with here. Every morning as I run out to my car, my parents have to lay covering fire for me to safely get into my car and as i drive away i usually take a few bullets into the car. For lunch, they only have food for 500 people for all 3500 of us have to fight for what food we can get. It's quite sad really, Reagan's obviously the worst school to ever beset the world and we're even worse in football. Heck, why bother buying any Reagan paraphernelia or tickets.

Mac Is Back
08-13-2006, 12:08 AM
I think they won 4 games but all I remember is our D having a very hard time with them.

'04 was my freshman year and if I remember correctly Mac posted victories against Lee (score unknown) and Madison (the 56-35 M&M Bowl upset). I believe they went 2-8.


Mac and Reagan proved to be the best teams to not get into the playoffs last season. Mac, however, was the surprise team that nearly pulled off a 4-0 start had Reagan not intervened with their thrilling 22-20 victory.

Mac's district run after that was exciting but rather hopeless with a 19-7 loss to Churchill and a 21-0 shutout loss to Judson. On the bright side, they did offer some excellent games with a thriller against SV (28-21 SV) and one of the better football games I can remember since SV's state title game against SLC in '04--the 05 M&M Bowl that delivered an OT comeback by Madison.

Judson and SV should be district locks, but if Mac and Reagan make a legitimate run for the playoffs, then the 3rd and 4th seeds are a tossup between Mac, Reagan, Churchill and Madison.

You gotta love 26-5A.

Mac Is Back
08-13-2006, 12:37 AM
Mac went 2-8 in 04.


SA Clark 20, Mac 16
SA Taft 41, Mac 21
Boerne 13, Mac 10
SA Reagan 31, Mac 29
Mac 38, Lee 14
Smithson Valley 21, Mac 14
SA Roosevelt 35, Mac 21
SA Churchill 37, Mac 14
Converse Judson 49, Mac 7
Mac 56, SA Madison 35

Gridiron Gopher
08-13-2006, 02:40 AM
Reagan sucks. They shouldn't even unpack the equipment. Out of 3,500 students, Greg Jones was the only one worth playing football. The only way we got the other players were by picking out people at lunch. Marcus Wright sucks, he's slow, weak and inept. Matt Smith couldn't throw to save his life, heck I saw someone had to help him carry his water bottle. Coach Wetzel, with his salary that far outdoes many, isn't a good headcoach. Our recievers couldn't catch a cold if they tried. Our defense couldn't tackle an 8 year old child. Our kicker can't kick extra points. We have the worst attendance rates in the district. This i just the football team! Just to let you all know what we have to live with here. Every morning as I run out to my car, my parents have to lay covering fire for me to safely get into my car and as i drive away i usually take a few bullets into the car. For lunch, they only have food for 500 people for all 3500 of us have to fight for what food we can get. It's quite sad really, Reagan's obviously the worst school to ever beset the world and we're even worse in football. Heck, why bother buying any Reagan paraphernelia or tickets.


LOL!

Slim-Rob
08-13-2006, 10:19 AM
Reagan sucks. They shouldn't even unpack the equipment. Out of 3,500 students, Greg Jones was the only one worth playing football. The only way we got the other players were by picking out people at lunch. Marcus Wright sucks, he's slow, weak and inept. Matt Smith couldn't throw to save his life, heck I saw someone had to help him carry his water bottle. Coach Wetzel, with his salary that far outdoes many, isn't a good headcoach. Our recievers couldn't catch a cold if they tried. Our defense couldn't tackle an 8 year old child. Our kicker can't kick extra points. We have the worst attendance rates in the district. This i just the football team! Just to let you all know what we have to live with here. Every morning as I run out to my car, my parents have to lay covering fire for me to safely get into my car and as i drive away i usually take a few bullets into the car. For lunch, they only have food for 500 people for all 3500 of us have to fight for what food we can get. It's quite sad really, Reagan's obviously the worst school to ever beset the world and we're even worse in football. Heck, why bother buying any Reagan paraphernelia or tickets.

Sorry to hear that. How many bullet holes do you have in your Benz? :D

aclb
08-13-2006, 10:27 AM
Reagan sucks. They shouldn't even unpack the equipment. Out of 3,500 students, Greg Jones was the only one worth playing football. The only way we got the other players were by picking out people at lunch. Marcus Wright sucks, he's slow, weak and inept. Matt Smith couldn't throw to save his life, heck I saw someone had to help him carry his water bottle. Coach Wetzel, with his salary that far outdoes many, isn't a good headcoach. Our recievers couldn't catch a cold if they tried. Our defense couldn't tackle an 8 year old child. Our kicker can't kick extra points. We have the worst attendance rates in the district. This i just the football team! Just to let you all know what we have to live with here. Every morning as I run out to my car, my parents have to lay covering fire for me to safely get into my car and as i drive away i usually take a few bullets into the car. For lunch, they only have food for 500 people for all 3500 of us have to fight for what food we can get. It's quite sad really, Reagan's obviously the worst school to ever beset the world and we're even worse in football. Heck, why bother buying any Reagan paraphernelia or tickets.

Hang in there 07. That area of SA has really grown and I feel for what you are going through. NEISD did pass a bond and when LBJ opens in 2008, then the Reagan students will be able to survive in a more humane atmosphere. Until then, keep your chin up, and don't give up! You can do it!

DiamondJ2
08-13-2006, 11:01 AM
Reagan sucks. They shouldn't even unpack the equipment. Out of 3,500 students, Greg Jones was the only one worth playing football. The only way we got the other players were by picking out people at lunch. Marcus Wright sucks, he's slow, weak and inept. Matt Smith couldn't throw to save his life, heck I saw someone had to help him carry his water bottle. Coach Wetzel, with his salary that far outdoes many, isn't a good headcoach. Our recievers couldn't catch a cold if they tried. Our defense couldn't tackle an 8 year old child. Our kicker can't kick extra points. We have the worst attendance rates in the district. This i just the football team! Just to let you all know what we have to live with here. Every morning as I run out to my car, my parents have to lay covering fire for me to safely get into my car and as i drive away i usually take a few bullets into the car. For lunch, they only have food for 500 people for all 3500 of us have to fight for what food we can get. It's quite sad really, Reagan's obviously the worst school to ever beset the world and we're even worse in football. Heck, why bother buying any Reagan paraphernelia or tickets.


Great sarcasm, RR. Nothing like a little humor to lighten things on the board. Reagan will be a force this season. Just don't get upset when people bring up the size of the Rattlers enrollment. It is going to be one wild ride again in 26-5A!!

Gridiron Gopher
08-13-2006, 11:14 AM
Reagan sucks. They shouldn't even unpack the equipment. Out of 3,500 students, Greg Jones was the only one worth playing football. The only way we got the other players were by picking out people at lunch. Marcus Wright sucks, he's slow, weak and inept. Matt Smith couldn't throw to save his life, heck I saw someone had to help him carry his water bottle. Coach Wetzel, with his salary that far outdoes many, isn't a good headcoach. Our recievers couldn't catch a cold if they tried. Our defense couldn't tackle an 8 year old child. Our kicker can't kick extra points. We have the worst attendance rates in the district. This i just the football team! Just to let you all know what we have to live with here. Every morning as I run out to my car, my parents have to lay covering fire for me to safely get into my car and as i drive away i usually take a few bullets into the car. For lunch, they only have food for 500 people for all 3500 of us have to fight for what food we can get. It's quite sad really, Reagan's obviously the worst school to ever beset the world and we're even worse in football. Heck, why bother buying any Reagan paraphernelia or tickets.

Reagan is going to go through this every year until they make the playoffs. They have just as good a chance as Mac, Churchill, Madison and Judson. Madison gets more respect because they have been making the playoffs but they still don't get the respect they deserve because of Judson and SV.

CKE
08-13-2006, 11:53 AM
Reagan wont make the playoffs if that RB cant hold onto the ball like last year.

Reaganrattler07
08-13-2006, 12:27 PM
Sorry to hear that. How many bullet holes do you have in your Benz? :D

As of last count about 120.....it's quite depressing really:p

Reaganrattler07
08-13-2006, 12:31 PM
Reagan wont make the playoffs if that RB cant hold onto the ball like last year.

True, that did cost us two games. SV and Judson. They can probably find a solution to that.....Tiki Barber did.

TexasRed6x
08-13-2006, 12:44 PM
True, that did cost us two games. SV and Judson. They can probably find a solution to that.....Tiki Barber did.

That really did not cost you the game against Judson, you did get beat by a state finalist.

Slim-Rob
08-13-2006, 12:54 PM
True, that did cost us two games. SV and Judson. They can probably find a solution to that.....Tiki Barber did.

It was the defenses causing the fumbles

Slim-Rob
08-13-2006, 12:55 PM
Great sarcasm, RR. Nothing like a little humor to lighten things on the board. Reagan will be a force this season. Just don't get upset when people bring up the size of the Rattlers enrollment. It is going to be one wild ride again in 26-5A!!

Oh yeah, Reagan is going to hear about the size of enrollment. I still think it has just a little if any affect on anything, but i'm not going to get back into that argument.

Slim-Rob
08-13-2006, 12:56 PM
As of last count about 120.....it's quite depressing really:p
That's nothin' :rolleyes:

jrdaniel
08-13-2006, 02:31 PM
Try driving through the Glen!

Rerun
08-13-2006, 02:34 PM
Try driving through the Glen!

Never hit up Chachos on Perrin Beitel and 410 at 3am on a Saturday night...

Worse than the Glen aka G-Unit

Reaganrattler07
08-13-2006, 02:43 PM
That really did not cost you the game against Judson, you did get beat by a state finalist.

Coming from a Judson "fan".

Reaganrattler07
08-13-2006, 02:50 PM
It was the defenses causing the fumbles

Is that so?

Reaganrattler07
08-13-2006, 02:51 PM
That's nothin' :rolleyes:

You should see my mom's benz then.....

CKE
08-13-2006, 07:45 PM
It was the defenses causing the fumbles

No it wasnt, the kid just cant hold onto the ball. If judsons defense was that good they would have caused fumbles like that for every team. marcus has all the talent in the world except size and not holding onto the ball, and one he can work on.

Slim-Rob
08-13-2006, 07:52 PM
Is that so?

:D SI senorita :D

Slim-Rob
08-13-2006, 07:55 PM
No it wasnt, the kid just cant hold onto the ball. If judsons defense was that good they would have caused fumbles like that for every team. marcus has all the talent in the world except size and not holding onto the ball, and one he can work on.

...Judson's defense WAS good.

I know judson lost 4 games in the regular season, but it wasn't on the defense's part.

20-19 with 2 missed PATs and 1 or 2 missed FGs
21-7 Offense couldn't get anything going, left the defense in tough spots
14-0 offense was GARBAGE this game.
14-23 offense still couldn't get it going.

AND I didn't say it was Judson's defense. I believe SV was also mentioned. Judson's D did cause turnovers in other games too.

TexasRed6x
08-13-2006, 08:52 PM
Coming from a Judson "fan".

After 30 years oof watching Judson Football teh truth is the truth Judson fan or not.

SVite
08-13-2006, 09:35 PM
Lee has Travis Lewis at RB 6-2, 220 running a 4.34 and Malcolm Lindsey at WR 6-2, 183 4.52 . Lindsey caught 67-863 and 5 TD's last year and Lewis ran for 517 and 5 TD's. Jerome Tiller 6-2, 166 4.54, is back for another year at QB, too. Overall, Lee has 14 starters coming back. I'm just wondering how good the line blocks for those 3. Lewis and Lindsey are 2 of the best in Texas at their positions.


Lee just does`nt have the bodies to choose from. The players on the sidelines are very thin. It looks like a 3A school playing with the amout of players on their side. And then theres almost no one in the stands. Pretty sad to see a once power house football school reduced to such a thin crew of players, and fans.

Reaganrattler07
08-13-2006, 09:53 PM
...Judson's defense WAS good.

I know judson lost 4 games in the regular season, but it wasn't on the defense's part.

20-19 with 2 missed PATs and 1 or 2 missed FGs
21-7 Offense couldn't get anything going, left the defense in tough spots
14-0 offense was GARBAGE this game.
14-23 offense still couldn't get it going.

AND I didn't say it was Judson's defense. I believe SV was also mentioned. Judson's D did cause turnovers in other games too.

No, there have been times when he just bumped into a blocker and lost the ball...that was the SV game.

Slim-Rob
08-13-2006, 09:59 PM
No, there have been times when he just bumped into a blocker and lost the ball...that was the SV game.

Well, originally i was just kidding, but wtf ever

CKE
08-13-2006, 11:07 PM
Well, originally i was just kidding, but wtf ever

lol no really the kid was bad with holding onto the ball and im nont saying judsons D was not good i should have worded it better. I am saying judson and sv were not the reason he fumbled he has been doing it since 8th grade

veltboy
08-13-2006, 11:40 PM
mac is overated the o line is avg the defense sucks that linebacker they got is the mostoverated player ever he is to damn small 5'8 175 j. craig is fast as hell but can't run up the middle all u have to do is take him out and mac is worse then lee this year is going to be a down year for them just like all the others

Gridiron Gopher
08-14-2006, 03:01 AM
mac is overated the o line is avg the defense sucks that linebacker they got is the mostoverated player ever he is to damn small 5'8 175 j. craig is fast as hell but can't run up the middle all u have to do is take him out and mac is worse then lee this year is going to be a down year for them just like all the others

veltboy bring you game on the field. Mac's gonna put a whopping on you guy's just like last year.

veltboy
08-14-2006, 06:01 AM
first of all mac beat roosevelt last year for the first time in how many years? mac gets credit for being a good team but they have little talent to me

Mac Is Back
08-14-2006, 07:56 AM
first of all mac beat roosevelt last year for the first time in how many years? mac gets credit for being a good team but they have little talent to me

Wait, Mac is about to enter a down season, but you credit them with being a good team with little talent?

I'm lost.

Gridiron Gopher
08-14-2006, 11:58 AM
first of all mac beat roosevelt last year for the first time in how many years? mac gets credit for being a good team but they have little talent to me

Everyone has a right to their own opinion but unless you're watching them at practice or have followed this group of players then you don't have a enough information to make that statement.

I'll give you what I think.

OFFENSE

QB- Schmid (SR)
An unknown that got his chance to play last year. It was supposed to be Udell's time but Schmid was running the spread better and was getting half the snaps. Doesn't have the speed of Udell but has a much better field vision and utilizes all options. He won't lock into one player.

RB- Craig (SR)
Great Speed with the ability to score on any play. Very hard to tackle in the open field. Has very good hands and will see a lot of time at the slot WR this year to get him in one on one situations to utilize his quickness. Will also return kicks and punts. Won't end up as a leading rusher in the city but will be in the top with total yards (Running, Receiving, Return yds). Seven of his 10 TD's last year were from 50+ yds out.

RB- Schram (SR)
No flash here just plan old blue collar football player. Never loses yardage and is a north, south runner. Will see a lot short yardage and goal line carries. Great change of pace for the back field.

RB- Kyle (JR)
Will get some carries in the backfield when Craig goes to the slot. Great speed and has no problem running between the tackles. Will play DB most of the time but will cross over in some situations.

OL- Shussler (SR)
At 6'3" 320 our only pure OL player. If he can get through a season without injury he will be all-district

OL- Williams (SR)
Smaller OL player 5'11" 235 but plays with a lot of pride. He'll hold his own in this district.

WR Odom (SR)
Tall (6'3") and above ave speed. Has shown that he can catch the ball in tough spots but must show that he is a #1 WR. Gets his chance this year.

WR Lofton (SR)
Probably the most underated WR in the district. Not a big WR but has very good speed with "great" hands and runs routes as good as any WR in the SA area. I personally saw some of the top players this summer at camps and he knows how to get the DB/S leaning the wrong way. Will be able to score any time he gets the ball.

WR Chambers (Soph)
Suprise of the off season. Will be the QB of the furture but right now will be opposite off Odom. Not a fast WR but at 6'4" he'll be fine. Has shown he can catch the tough catch over the middle.

TE Williamson (JR)
This position won't be used alot but when it is will create a tough spot for the defense. Above ave speed with very good hands.

DEFENSE

DL V Johnson (SR)
He can play anywhere on the line or at LB if needed. Not tall 5'11" 235 but is very strong and his quickness will cause OL players fits. Will be all district.

DL Perez (SR)
Not big but plays with passion and heart.

DE Hickman (SR)
6'2" 200 with solid fundamentals and was the 3rd on team tackles as a JR.

DE Williamson (JR)
6'2" 205 and very quick off the line. This will be his true position but will cross over to TE.

This front 4 will control the line of scrimmage and allow the LB's to do their job and make tackles. That's how this system works.

LB Gallegos (SR)
None of the LB's are big but they all play football the way it's suppose to be played. Gallegos moves back to his true position and will be the leader of this LB group. Has a nose for the football and hits like truck.

LB Montdragon (SR)
Another very good LB that will anchor the middle LB spots with Gallegos. Always is around the ball and has a knack for causing turn overs.

LB Ricker (SR)
Just another blue collar player that plays the game like it's suppose to be played. Hard nosed and will give up his body for the team.

LB Kinney (SR)
Position says DB but don't kid yourself. Both the outside LB's are just that, LB's. They will drop into pass coverage depending on what coverage their in but they are LB's. Kinney lead team in tackles last year and will be a force again this year.

CB Kyle (JR)
Very fast but will have to prove he can play this position.

CB Ricker (SR)
Again like his brother, plays with all heart.

S Brown (JR)
Very good speed that showed as a soph he could play DB. Moved to S this year and he likes to hit.

S Hardaway (JR)
Will probably play both S/DB this year. Very good speed and hits hard.

Offensively this team will be very good. With the spread, if you can run it like it's suppose to be done (using all options) it's hard to stop at the high school level. Schmid gives this team the ability to do that. He doesn't care if you think your D1 talent. If you want the ball then get open. With Odom, Lofton, Chambers and Craig as options this team will score a lot of points. When Craig goes to the slot to run 4 wide there are not many teams if any that can stop them. It will be fun to watch.

Defensively not a lot of size at DT or LB but these players know how to play football and will makeup for that with grit and heart. They play as a "Team" and that is very important. Will they be the best defense in the district....probabaly not but they will be one of the best. Put both groups together and I'm excited about the up coming season.

The senior group has taken control of this team and have had their best off season in the last 4 years. The junior group is use to winning since Jr. High ball and now they get a chance to show what they have.

Mac has had some rough seasons since 1999 but this group of kids know how to win and are committed to given what it takes. The seniors of 06 with the juniors/soph brought the program back to .500 ball last year. Now the 07/08 group has a shot at making the playoffs and winning district.

Now they have to go play and EARN their respect on the field.

CKE
08-14-2006, 01:53 PM
first of all mac beat roosevelt last year for the first time in how many years? mac gets credit for being a good team but they have little talent to me

its ok thats how roosevelt looks in SVs eyes but at least we still respect yall and give you credit for what you do have.

Reaganrattler07
08-14-2006, 10:27 PM
Now ya did it, veltboy!:mad: We had to get the entire starting roster from Gopher!:p

Mac Is Back
08-14-2006, 10:34 PM
We get a lot of rap from veltboy about all this.


Looks like we have to do things like everyone else in Texas...




...solve it on the football field.

Reaganrattler07
08-14-2006, 10:36 PM
We get a lot of rap from veltboy about all this.


Looks like we have to do things like everyone else in Texas...




...solve it on the football field.

Just do what I did. Make the initial comments. Then just lay back and watch everyone fight over little things...like preseason polls!

veltboy
08-15-2006, 03:52 PM
ya'll crack me up mac is not ready for 26-5a this year the underdogs for the past two season roosevelt and lee are going to be in the top 4

CKE
08-15-2006, 04:42 PM
ya'll crack me up mac is not ready for 26-5a this year the underdogs for the past two season roosevelt and lee are going to be in the top 4

I really dont think roosevelt is going to be that good the best thing they had going for them left last year and that was Hill as a coach. Mac will beat roosevelt.

Mac Is Back
08-15-2006, 05:57 PM
ya'll crack me up mac is not ready for 26-5a this year the underdogs for the past two season roosevelt and lee are going to be in the top 4

That's quite a bold statement.

lonny23
08-16-2006, 03:49 AM
Coming from a Judson "fan".
Teams don't lose by 25 "only" from fumbles.

lonny23
08-16-2006, 03:50 AM
Lee just does`nt have the bodies to choose from. The players on the sidelines are very thin. It looks like a 3A school playing with the amout of players on their side. And then theres almost no one in the stands. Pretty sad to see a once power house football school reduced to such a thin crew of players, and fans.
For Lee's sake, I hope the guys I saw practicing on Monday were the freshman team. Those guys were small.

Reaganrattler07
08-16-2006, 09:04 PM
Teams don't lose by 25 "only" from fumbles.

With as many times we fumbled on our end of the field, I'd say enough points were scored that it mattered enough. And yes, teams do lose by 25 "only" on fumbles. And I won't do the loser thing like you do and dig up stats that no one is ever gonna read except to prove a small point to someone whos too obsessed over his team.

Reaganrattler07
08-16-2006, 09:05 PM
For Lee's sake, I hope the guys I saw practicing on Monday were the freshman team. Those guys were small.

What in the h-e- double hockey sticks were you doing at LEE?:eek:

lonny23
08-16-2006, 09:07 PM
What in the h-e- double hockey sticks were you doing at LEE?:eek:
My kids live about 1-2 miles from Lee. They'll go to Lee if they don't move.

CKE
08-16-2006, 09:08 PM
With as many times we fumbled on our end of the field, I'd say enough points were scored that it mattered enough. And yes, teams do lose by 25 "only" on fumbles. And I won't do the loser thing like you do and dig up stats that no one is ever gonna read except to prove a small point to someone whos too obsessed over his team.

Greatest post ever

Reaganrattler07
08-16-2006, 09:08 PM
My kids live about 1-2 miles from Lee. They'll go to Lee if they don't move.

...so you go out there and watch the football players practice? Aren't your girls very very young?

Reaganrattler07
08-16-2006, 09:09 PM
Greatest post ever

Thats either sig material or *straight to the classics!



* I honestly have no idea what the heck "The Classics" are...I just know that the cool stuff apparently goes in there or something.

lonny23
08-16-2006, 09:36 PM
With as many times we fumbled on our end of the field, I'd say enough points were scored that it mattered enough. And yes, teams do lose by 25 "only" on fumbles. And I won't do the loser thing like you do and dig up stats that no one is ever gonna read except to prove a small point to someone whos too obsessed over his team.
I think it's funny you HAVE to throw a low blow. It doesn't help you any and just means it's your only hope to level the playing field. I'd give you a lot of credit if you backed up what you say with statistical arguments and would really be impressed if you had stuff to refute what I said.

I'll humor you and say Reagan scored first last year, but Judson came back with a KO return for a TD. They got 2 more TD's in the first to go up 21-7 after 1 quarter. Reagan won the 2nd quarter 3-0 to make it 21-10 at halftime. Judson won the 2nd half by a 17-3 margin. Somewhere in there during the course of the game was a 72 yard pass to Rob Housler.

Sure turnovers made a difference, but Judson also got 20 first downs in that game. The Judson defense was a good one and they are known to force turnovers, too. Reagan lost by 25 because Judson wanted it more, but also because they were the better team to start with. I'm not going to say Judson would've won by 25 every time, but they would've proved to been the better team almost every time.

lonny23
08-16-2006, 09:38 PM
...so you go out there and watch the football players practice? Aren't your girls very very young?
I just wanted to drive by the school since I had never been over there. I checked out Reagan for the same reason. I had seen all the other schools in 26-5A in the natural flow of things.

lonny23
08-16-2006, 09:40 PM
Greatest post ever
It's not even close to the greatest ever. I don't have an opinion on what IS the greatest ever, either. I know that quote is not and it has nothing to do with him talking about me. It's probably not even one of the 5 best things ever said about me.

DiamondJ2
08-16-2006, 11:11 PM
If Lee & Roosevlet make it to playoffs this year, then other teams have lsot half starters during district play or an act of God will occur. Both are going to be better, but not in the realm of playoff contenders. Both could play a spoiler role, if the planets including the new ones are aligned correctly.

Rerun
08-17-2006, 04:04 AM
I think it's funny you HAVE to throw a low blow. It doesn't help you any and just means it's your only hope to level the playing field. I'd give you a lot of credit if you backed up what you say with statistical arguments and would really be impressed if you had stuff to refute what I said.

I'll humor you and say Reagan scored first last year, but Judson came back with a KO return for a TD. They got 2 more TD's in the first to go up 21-7 after 1 quarter. Reagan won the 2nd quarter 3-0 to make it 21-10 at halftime. Judson won the 2nd half by a 17-3 margin. Somewhere in there during the course of the game was a 72 yard pass to Rob Housler.

Sure turnovers made a difference, but Judson also got 20 first downs in that game. The Judson defense was a good one and they are known to force turnovers, too. Reagan lost by 25 because Judson wanted it more, but also because they were the better team to start with. I'm not going to say Judson would've won by 25 every time, but they would've proved to been the better team almost every time.


Lonny, if Judson would not have had God on their side that night when they UPSET Regan, you can just fill in Reagan in each spot where Judson was in the play offs.

Rerun
08-17-2006, 04:05 AM
Lonny, if Judson would not have had God on their side that night when they UPSET Regan, you can just fill in Reagan in each spot where Judson was in the play offs.



= FACT

CKE
08-17-2006, 06:35 AM
= FACT


Fact = FA SHO

lonny23
08-17-2006, 07:38 AM
Lonny, if Judson would not have had God on their side that night when they UPSET Regan, you can just fill in Reagan in each spot where Judson was in the play offs.
I won't argue about the God part, but it wasn't an upset. Reagan would not have beaten Westfield or O'Connor.

Gridiron Gopher
08-17-2006, 10:09 AM
I won't argue about the God part, but it wasn't an upset. Reagan would not have beaten Westfield or O'Connor.

I agree, Reagan would not have beaten O'Conner or Westfield.

CKE
08-17-2006, 07:27 PM
I agree, Reagan would not have beaten O'Conner or Westfield.

Agreed

mad_fan
08-18-2006, 12:53 PM
Here is our prediction for the district (in the Gridiron Guide on this site):

1. Judson
2. Smithson Valley
3. Churchill
4. Reagan
5. Macarthur
6. Madison
7. Roosevelt
8. Wagner
9. Lee

Top 25 Write Ups:

http://www.5atexasfootball.com/06rank10.htm (Judson)

http://www.5atexasfootball.com/06rank11.htm (Smithson Valley)


Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong!

mad_fan
08-18-2006, 12:58 PM
Just do what I did. Make the initial comments. Then just lay back and watch everyone fight over little things...like preseason polls!


I remember the days when I did that...everyone on my back all season...and still Madison was in the playoffs...:D

LoneRocket
08-18-2006, 01:03 PM
1. Judson
2. Churchill
3. Smithson Valley
4. Madison
5. Macarthur
6. Reagan
7. Wagner
8. Roosevelt
9. Lee

mad_fan
08-18-2006, 01:06 PM
My kids live about 1-2 miles from Lee. They'll go to Lee if they don't move.


Have you started a fund? I'll toss in a few bucks to get them to Maverick country.

lonny23
08-18-2006, 01:58 PM
Have you started a fund? I'll toss in a few bucks to get them to Maverick country.
Between the 2, I'd rather have them at Lee. I can bury my hatred for Madison, but I can't get over hating their colors.

RedRage00
08-18-2006, 04:32 PM
Have yall seen the Lee area on the NEISD website? I swear LEE got the shaft big time. They have such a TINY area to pull kids from and Churchill etc have these huge areas going to their school.

They treat LEE like the poor step-child.

lonny23
08-18-2006, 06:25 PM
Have yall seen the Lee area on the NEISD website? I swear LEE got the shaft big time. They have such a TINY area to pull kids from and Churchill etc have these huge areas going to their school.

They treat LEE like the poor step-child.
Lee is also the poorest part of the district. They are making some modifications to the high school, though.

Mac Is Back
08-18-2006, 07:39 PM
Lee is also the poorest part of the district. They are making some modifications to the high school, though.

I've seen the new additions. Modifications?

More like something to rival Churchill's science wing. The new buildings on Lee's campus are huge.

trbandchic
08-18-2006, 07:42 PM
I've seen the new additions. Modifications?

More like something to rival Churchill's science wing. The new buildings on Lee's campus are huge.
have you seen the new part of Roosevelt's campus.. it's rather large.. and nice.. untill some of the local schmucks will eff it up!...I'm waiting for them to do it..but hope they wont...

Mac Is Back
08-18-2006, 07:44 PM
have you seen the new part of Roosevelt's campus.. it's rather large.. and nice.. untill some of the local schmucks will eff it up!...I'm waiting for them to do it..but hope they wont...

I haven't.

Lee just happened to be along the driving route I had to take during my driver's education sessions way back when. I'm the sure the buildings have come along nicely now.


Some of those schools should seriously be rebuilt. Mac is the oldest school in the district (and incidentally, currently the newest) and at some point near the building's 50th anniversary somebody decided that it was time for a full-blown campus renevation. 33 million went into a new campus that looks like a prison from the outside. :D

trbandchic
08-18-2006, 07:56 PM
I haven't.

Lee just happened to be along the driving route I had to take during my driver's education sessions way back when. I'm the sure the buildings have come along nicely now.


Some of those schools should seriously be rebuilt. Mac is the oldest school in the district (and incidentally, currently the newest) and at some point near the building's 50th anniversary somebody decided that it was time for a full-blown campus renevation. 33 million went into a new campus that looks like a prison from the outside. :D
yea i took summer school there during summer of 05. It was crazy huge and all of the buildings looked simular..and the buildings were actually inside.. not like roosvelt and VERY open. We get to move into our 2nd new building in january..and they will tear down the building close to walzem..so it ill look like a mess..but we FINALLY get the new band hall!...with air conditioning!!(spelling? haha!)

Bucky
08-18-2006, 11:55 PM
I think you guys are giving too much to Judson this year. I could be wrong, but this is the first year they will feel the crunch of Wagner. By this I mean..all the kids that they didnt get as freshmem last year and the loss of some really good coaches( including Jeeter) Judson still has their program and Rackley which will carry them..but I think they will struggle this year. I hope they win and make the playoffs but only time will tell! As far as Wagner making the playoffs...not sure I see that happening this year. They will line up with not one kid that has ever played a varsity game. They will get after people and do a lot of good things but I really think they will have a tough time in 26 - 5A this year. I think they could finish as high as fourth but I think it will be more like fifth or sixth. Depth and experience will be a problem for them this season...but they will get almost everyone back!! good luck to all the schools in 26-5A and I look forward to watching many good games this season!!

mad_fan
08-19-2006, 07:02 AM
In '04 they were the second to last team. And this past year they were pretty good.

I'd say Reagan was the best team in '05 to not make the playoffs.


Maybe this year they'll be the worst team to make the playoffs!?:D

mad_fan
08-19-2006, 07:11 AM
And you seem to have forgotten all those Judson players! :D


Ya, Wagner has more Judson players than Madison ever did.:D

mad_fan
08-19-2006, 07:18 AM
I'm going to say:

1. Judson- Slight edge over SV
2. SV- Still favored to get to semis
3. Reagan- Wright and kicking game gets them into playoffs
4. MacArthur- One of better Mac teams in recent years
5. Madison- Hard to knock out, but maybe this year they miss the playoffs
6. Churchill- Nothing that excites me
7. Lee- They just might finish higher than 7th
8. Roosevelt- Has speed and isn't a bad team
9. Wagner- I really don't know how good these guys will be


If they miss, with the addition of a playoff spot, I'll...

not commit this early as to what I'll do. But, I'll do something to make all you guys happy.

mad_fan
08-19-2006, 07:24 AM
Between the 2, I'd rather have them at Lee. I can bury my hatred for Madison, but I can't get over hating their colors.


and they'll get a better education at Lee...remember MavsDEnd?? or InTheBag??

RedRage00
08-19-2006, 08:48 AM
I saw when they first started the construction at Lee b/c I used to live nearby. I live by Clark now so I haven't been in that area in forever. I need to drive by and check it out.

Reaganrattler07
08-19-2006, 11:08 AM
I think it's funny you HAVE to throw a low blow. It doesn't help you any and just means it's your only hope to level the playing field. I'd give you a lot of credit if you backed up what you say with statistical arguments and would really be impressed if you had stuff to refute what I said.

A low blow? It's true that you are obsessed over your team. And like I stated, I'm not gonna waste my time bringing up stats to prove a minute point to you. My time is worth much more than that.

I'll humor you and say Reagan scored first last year, but Judson came back with a KO return for a TD. They got 2 more TD's in the first to go up 21-7 after 1 quarter. Reagan won the 2nd quarter 3-0 to make it 21-10 at halftime. Judson won the 2nd half by a 17-3 margin. Somewhere in there during the course of the game was a 72 yard pass to Rob Housler.

I don't think I said anything about the score, we were talking about fumbles.

Sure turnovers made a difference, but Judson also got 20 first downs in that game. The Judson defense was a good one and they are known to force turnovers, too. Reagan lost by 25 because Judson wanted it more, but also because they were the better team to start with. I'm not going to say Judson would've won by 25 every time, but they would've proved to been the better team almost every time.

One little point you forget was we needed to either win or lose by 21 or less. One turnover, and points scored off of that turnover could mean much more than you would ever lead anyone to believe. As I stated before, you all make this game like it'll be some legend to be passed down from generation to generation when in actuality, it was just a football game. I'm pretty sure the sun rose on Stone Oak the next day.

Reaganrattler07
08-19-2006, 11:09 AM
I just wanted to drive by the school since I had never been over there. I checked out Reagan for the same reason. I had seen all the other schools in 26-5A in the natural flow of things.

Just when I thought i was safe from creepy stalkerish guys....

Reaganrattler07
08-19-2006, 11:09 AM
Lonny, if Judson would not have had God on their side that night when they UPSET Regan, you can just fill in Reagan in each spot where Judson was in the play offs.

We both know he will never see it that way.

Reaganrattler07
08-19-2006, 11:10 AM
I won't argue about the God part, but it wasn't an upset. Reagan would not have beaten Westfield or O'Connor.

LMAO....totally irrelevent.

REAGAN VS. JUDSON....you see Westfield or O'Connor there?

Reaganrattler07
08-19-2006, 11:12 AM
I saw when they first started the construction at Lee b/c I used to live nearby. I live by Clark now so I haven't been in that area in forever. I need to drive by and check it out.

I drove by Clark a few weeks back....looks nice. Almost a combo between Reagan and Churchill.

DiamondJ2
08-19-2006, 03:38 PM
[/QUOTE]One little point you forget was we needed to either win or lose by 21 or less. One turnover, and points scored off of that turnover could mean much more than you would ever lead anyone to believe. As I stated before, you all make this game like it'll be some legend to be passed down from generation to generation when in actuality, it was just a football game. I'm pretty sure the sun rose on Stone Oak the next day.[/QUOTE]

It was a preety good milestone in Rocket history( one of many) especially since most people had eliminated Judson from participating in the playoffs two weeks earlier and had written in Reagan's name, but, alas, they had to haul out the white out. Someday, Reagan will make the playoffs and have earned the right of legendary wins. Anyway, the game is in the past and somthing to discuss with future generations on how the Rockets defanged the Rattlers.

Slim-Rob
08-19-2006, 04:01 PM
LMAO....totally irrelevent.

REAGAN VS. JUDSON....you see Westfield or O'Connor there?

No it's not totally irrelevent. Lonny know's it is Reagan vs Judson. What was said above is that if you replaced Judson's name with Reagan they would have gotten just as far. Lonny was simply stating that Reagan would not have beat O'Conner and def. not Westfield.

Dude, you can say whatever you want, but the fact is Reagan didn't even have to win to make the playoffs. They went into that game knowing they could lose, as long as they did so by less than 21. Judson knew they had to win by 21 or more, and that is what they did. Judson sets a goal and strives to reach it. You can talk about how one turnover could have changed the end result, and that is for sure, but that is football. That game WILL go down in Judson history BECAUSE some "experts" picked Reagan to win, yet Judson not only won, but killed Reagan's playoff hopes, and made the playoffs. If you don't think it will go down in history, a loss to reagan would have ended Judson's >.500 streak. Along with that, it would have been Reagan's first time beating Judson and their first time making the playoffs. Instead, Reagan got nothing. HAHA

Reaganrattler07
08-20-2006, 02:59 PM
One little point you forget was we needed to either win or lose by 21 or less. One turnover, and points scored off of that turnover could mean much more than you would ever lead anyone to believe. As I stated before, you all make this game like it'll be some legend to be passed down from generation to generation when in actuality, it was just a football game. I'm pretty sure the sun rose on Stone Oak the next day.

It was a preety good milestone in Rocket history( one of many) especially since most people had eliminated Judson from participating in the playoffs two weeks earlier and had written in Reagan's name, but, alas, they had to haul out the white out. Someday, Reagan will make the playoffs and have earned the right of legendary wins. Anyway, the game is in the past and somthing to discuss with future generations on how the Rockets defanged the Rattlers.

And the damndest thing is....most of them claimed they were the most hardcore of hardcore Judson fans.

EDIT: And son, try and learn how to use the "Quote" feature....

Reaganrattler07
08-20-2006, 03:02 PM
No it's not totally irrelevent. Lonny know's it is Reagan vs Judson. What was said above is that if you replaced Judson's name with Reagan they would have gotten just as far. Lonny was simply stating that Reagan would not have beat O'Conner and def. not Westfield.

Dude, you can say whatever you want, but the fact is Reagan didn't even have to win to make the playoffs. They went into that game knowing they could lose, as long as they did so by less than 21. Judson knew they had to win by 21 or more, and that is what they did. Judson sets a goal and strives to reach it. You can talk about how one turnover could have changed the end result, and that is for sure, but that is football. That game WILL go down in Judson history BECAUSE some "experts" picked Reagan to win, yet Judson not only won, but killed Reagan's playoff hopes, and made the playoffs. If you don't think it will go down in history, a loss to reagan would have ended Judson's >.500 streak. Along with that, it would have been Reagan's first time beating Judson and their first time making the playoffs. Instead, Reagan got nothing. HAHA

In that case, it is pretty irrelevant. It was fighting for the playoffs, not saying that they would be O'Connor, etc. You all would like to believe that would not of happened. None of us will ever know....just as you claim that SLC would never be able to beat Judson...it's all hypothetical.

Reaganrattler07
08-20-2006, 03:03 PM
Lol, and all this time I can't believe I called Judson a classier organization over SV...

aclb
08-20-2006, 03:34 PM
Football is an emotional/contact sport. I still think the empty stands on the Reagan side and the packed stands on the Judson side, had an outcome on the game.

Reaganrattler07
08-20-2006, 04:01 PM
Football is an emotional/contact sport. I still think the empty stands on the Reagan side and the packed stands on the Judson side, had an outcome on the game.

Lmao....empty? They weren't empty, my friend. And the Judson side wasn't packed either.

DiamondJ2
08-20-2006, 07:10 PM
Defanged Rattler, as for the quote feature, sorry it wasn't perfect like yours. I will do better in the future, so I can be so called perfect. Most of the people were outside of Judson who doubted the Rockets. Reagan could smell the playoffs, then had it snatched away from them because Judson players know how to perform in crunch time, tradition, and Rattlers were just rattled (they could hear the footsteps). People throughout SA know the talent level of Reagan, but are still wondering when they will make the playoffs, especially since Reagan is the largest school in SA. As I've stated many times, Reagan will be a force in football and make the playoffs (should have occured already). Now, that UIL has gone to 4 teams, Reagan has a better chance and should be in the playoffs, finally, this season, if they don't chilly up again by 25 points when the cards are on the table. The past is the past and the future looks brighter for the Rattlers. Eventually, they will establish a playoff tradition, but nothing like the Judson Rockets.

Rerun
08-21-2006, 03:32 AM
Ahhhhh and once again the great Judson debate begins again.

Where would Judson be if they had a "normal" enrollment all thise years?

Let's just toss 5,000 kids at Lee and see how much they improve when they have all that extra talent to pick from.

Irrelevant?

...?

And Lonny, Reagan WOULD HAVE beaten O'Connor and they would have punked Westfield too.

The only difference is that they would not have gotten a paddling on the behind if they made it to the title game. If your gonna go that far, might as well win it right?

Rattlers 05 > Judson 05

Rattlers 05 < Judson + All the luck in the world + bad calls

CKE
08-21-2006, 05:05 AM
Ahhhhh and once again the great Judson debate begins again.

Where would Judson be if they had a "normal" enrollment all thise years?

Let's just toss 5,000 kids at Lee and see how much they improve when they have all that extra talent to pick from.

Irrelevant?

...?

And Lonny, Reagan WOULD HAVE beaten O'Connor and they would have punked Westfield too.

The only difference is that they would not have gotten a paddling on the behind if they made it to the title game. If your gonna go that far, might as well win it right?

Rattlers 05 > Judson 05

Rattlers 05 < Judson + All the luck in the world + bad calls


FA SHO

bcheat128
08-21-2006, 09:06 AM
IF A FROG HAD WINGS HE WOULDN'T BUMP HIS BUTT EVERY TIME HE HOPPED

Ahhhhh and once again the great Judson debate begins again.

Where would Judson be if they had a "normal" enrollment all thise years?

Let's just toss 5,000 kids at Lee and see how much they improve when they have all that extra talent to pick from.

Irrelevant?

...?

And Lonny, Reagan WOULD HAVE beaten O'Connor and they would have punked Westfield too.

The only difference is that they would not have gotten a paddling on the behind if they made it to the title game. If your gonna go that far, might as well win it right?

Rattlers 05 > Judson 05

Rattlers 05 < Judson + All the luck in the world + bad calls

DiamondJ2
08-21-2006, 05:18 PM
Ahhhhh and once again the great Judson debate begins again.

Where would Judson be if they had a "normal" enrollment all thise years?

Let's just toss 5,000 kids at Lee and see how much they improve when they have all that extra talent to pick from.

Irrelevant?

...?

And Lonny, Reagan WOULD HAVE beaten O'Connor and they would have punked Westfield too.

The only difference is that they would not have gotten a paddling on the behind if they made it to the title game. If your gonna go that far, might as well win it right?

Rattlers 05 > Judson 05

Rattlers 05 < Judson + All the luck in the world + bad calls

Normal enrollment all of these years. Judson wasn't in the top 20 in enrollment when they won their 1st 4 titles. Judson had 5,000 only one year. but why let facts muddle the mind. Bad calls cause all of those fumbles? never knew a ref could cause a RB to drop the ball that many times. Don't believe Rattlers had the defense to stop O'Connor or Westfield. So I guess what you are saying that Reagan has no excuse now since it has the largest enrollment in SA and one of the largest in Region IV. Should be a cake walk for them.

dwistheman
08-21-2006, 05:59 PM
Normal enrollment all of these years. Judson wasn't in the top 20 in enrollment when they won their 1st 4 titles. Judson had 5,000 only one year. but why let facts muddle the mind. Bad calls cause all of those fumbles? never knew a ref could cause a RB to drop the ball that many times. Don't believe Rattlers had the defense to stop O'Connor or Westfield. So I guess what you are saying that Reagan has no excuse now since it has the largest enrollment in SA and one of the largest in Region IV. Should be a cake walk for them.

It will take Bill Clinton like dexterity for ReRun/Headliner to worm his way out of this one!:D :D

Reaganrattler07
08-22-2006, 07:32 PM
Defanged Rattler, as for the quote feature, sorry it wasn't perfect like yours. I will do better in the future, so I can be so called perfect. Most of the people were outside of Judson who doubted the Rockets. Reagan could smell the playoffs, then had it snatched away from them because Judson players know how to perform in crunch time, tradition, and Rattlers were just rattled (they could hear the footsteps). People throughout SA know the talent level of Reagan, but are still wondering when they will make the playoffs, especially since Reagan is the largest school in SA. As I've stated many times, Reagan will be a force in football and make the playoffs (should have occured already). Now, that UIL has gone to 4 teams, Reagan has a better chance and should be in the playoffs, finally, this season, if they don't chilly up again by 25 points when the cards are on the table. The past is the past and the future looks brighter for the Rattlers. Eventually, they will establish a playoff tradition, but nothing like the Judson Rockets.

I distinctly quite a few Rockets doubting their own team....shame I didn't log them. Many teams could smell the playoffs, and I find it really amusing that you like to single out Reagan all the time. As for the rest of your post....it's the typical jargal comming from you that I feel I've answered too many times.