Which Team Has The Toughest Schedule (regular Season)

[myround0]

I would say the Lobos have a pretty tough schedule. If they were to lose to Tyler Lee, ECA, or WM and win the state title they could still be in the running for the national title. It is very possible that if they were to win state they would have to beat both Lufkin and Soutlake Carroll and likely face SV or Katy in the finals...all that said the regular season toughest schedule would have to go to Tyler Lee. I think nationwide they have the toughest schedule and had they kept Lufkin on the list and added the Ohio team man. Tyler Lee faces a team from Florida, then they battle Ohio champs, and then they have to face Longview...the playoffs for Tyler lee should be much easier than the regular season...12-5A represent it would be nice if we could have both the Division one and two champs.

[The Great Evaluator]

Trinity plays a loaded non-district schedule of DeSoto, Midland Lee and Tyler Lee.Their district from top to bottom is one of the best. On the flip side they may have one of the easier roads to hoe in the playoffs in Division 1. It should be them and Tyler Lee once again in the semi-finals. OF course Tyler Lee is not exactly ducking anybody with the florida team and Cin. Colerain and Trinity might be their easiest game.

[bhs06]

I agree Euless Trinity plays a tough schedule, 3 powerhouses in non-district(DeSoto, Midland Lee, Tyler Lee) and that brutal 6-5A schedule. Thankfully their first 3 games are against the bottom of 6-5A(at least in my opinion) so incase they have a bad non-district showing they can use their first 3 games in 6-5A play against Coppell, Nimitz, and Grand Prairie as a tune up for their matchup against us :) oh, and also Irving(road), SGP, and MacArthur(road).

[Shoot2thrill]

I would say the Lobos have a pretty tough schedule. If they were to lose to Tyler Lee, ECA, or WM and win the state title they could still be in the running for the national title..........

This was actually the topic of a thread a while back. It would be hard to have a tougher schedule than two of the Robert E. Lee's have: Both Tyler Lee and Midland Lee have brutal pre-district schedules. The Woodlands was another school that looked like they might get roughed up a bit early by a tough schedule. No need to post the schedules in this thread as they are readily available in another area of the site. :cool:

[lonny23]

I'm going with Judson. They play 3 teams in the Top 25 and are in the toughest district in the state. I don't give a rip about any of the teams playing out of state opponents. For the most part, that's like playing 3A or 4A in Texas. You know if Evangel and West Monroe were that great, they'd beat Longview ever now and then. Non-Texas teams are overrated in the national polls because they look good on paper winning state titles without much effort. As much as I'd like to see Tyler Lee lose games, I hope all the Texas teams beat the guys out of state.

[Redneckn]

Lonny23, does that mean your team cant. uh. I mean, "won't" play any out of state teams? Didn't think so.

For the most part, that's like playing 3A or 4A in Texas

WOW! That is good to know. Being as how ECA is (and almost always has been) 1A. I think ECA has a pretty good record against Texas teams, all things considered. I think it's great that any team in Texas would even want to play them.. Now more than ever since they (ECA) are actually "classified" as 1A.

At least the Texas teams that are playing out state teams year in and year out are validating themselves are power teams to the rest of the country.
I say this because, until I came to this board, (since i'm not from here) I have never heard of most of the 5A teams here. Permian (because of that movie) Midland, Abilene, Texas High, Longview, Dallas Carter, Marshall, Tyler. Thats about is. SLC is team I have never heard of. How many out of state teams are they playing? NONE.

There is a reason teams go out of state to play. They are looking for teams that can compete.

Just my opinion though.

I don't even expect ECA to win against a Texas team this year. But they will smash any team in Louisiana. That's why they go out of state to play when they can.

[lonny23]

Lonny23, does that mean your team cant. uh. I mean, "won't" play any out of state teams? Didn't think so.



WOW! That is good to know. Being as how ECA is (and almost always has been) 1A. I think ECA has a pretty good record against Texas teams, all things considered. I think it's great that any team in Texas would even want to play them.. Now more than ever since they (ECA) are actually "classified" as 1A.

At least the Texas teams that are playing out state teams year in and year out are validating themselves are power teams to the rest of the country.
I say this because, until I came to this board, (since i'm not from here) I have never heard of most of the 5A teams here. Permian (because of that movie) Midland, Abilene, Texas High, Longview, Dallas Carter, Marshall, Tyler. Thats about is. SLC is team I have never heard of. How many out of state teams are they playing? NONE.

There is a reason teams go out of state to play. They are looking for teams that can compete.

Just my opinion though.

I don't even expect ECA to win against a Texas team this year. But they will smash any team in Louisiana. That's why they go out of state to play when they can.
ECA plays Texas teams to better prepare for the beating they give the Louisiana teams. It doesn't matter what size a private school is in Louisiana since you can recruit. I used to live in New Orleans and was a fan of John Curtis. They were 2A when LA only went to 4A, but was the best team in town most years.

LA doesn't have the depth of Texas. You know West Monroe was who ECA looked at each year. My relatives live in West Monroe and I love it when the Rebels lose. When Longview beats the best teams in Louisiana on a routine basis and can't win state in Texas, it tells you we have a lot better football around here. You'll see it when the Texas teams beat the out of staters.

Geography has a lot to do with who teams schedule. Longview is closer to Shreveport than Dallas. It's only about 170 to West Monroe. The Lobos also had the benefit of having a coach who was at Northeast LA Univ (LA-Monroe) and coached HS in LA. Good to great teams in Texas sometimes have a hard time getting somebody to play them. The Little SWC would have to travel quite a bit to play other 5A teams in non-district and out of state games have appeal. For the most part, the Dallas and Houston teams find other teams in town to play in non-district, which brings me to...

Judson. San Antonio teams are tired of losing to them and won't play them. Judson has only played 4 non-district games against SA in the last 8 years. They go outside of town and play teams with talent, speed, and many times large enrollments. I really don't think Coach Rackley likes the distractions that would go with playing out of state teams or the fact that it's so far to even get out of the state. I can assure you they aren't ducking anybody. They're only the most successful 5A team All-time in Texas. 200 miles is probably about the max that they want to go to play. They did go to San Benito one year, though.

I'll even give you some reading material! :D
http://www.geocities.com/eingedi.geo/judson_rocketball.html

[Shoot2thrill]

I'm going with Judson.

LOL...What a surprise Lonny...what a surprise.... :eek:

[Redneckn]

lonny.

ECA plays out of state teams because nobody in-state will play them. They will usually travel to almost anywhere. Which is why they have gone to California, Arkanasas, Florida, Alabama, and Texas.

ECA does NOT recruit. Unless you can prove it, and i mean really prove it, we should just drop that discussion. It is played out and pointless.


You are right, geography does have a little to do with it. Dallas ain't much further than Monroe. I would bet ECA would travel to see any team in Dallas.
Since they have been forced to play in 1A, they only get 3 non-district games now. They are all out of state teams. Louisiana 5A schools wont play them.


You are right about depth. Most Louisiana schools dont have depth. They run the ball almost every down. They lose almost every game they play to a team that passes.

ECA is a passing team. As long as they play passing games, they do pretty good. Against any team. When they start trying to run a lot, they start losing games. Plus, running games are a bore to watch.

Yes, ECA has a pretty crappy record against Texas teams the last couple of years. The only team that has seriously got the better of them was Longview last year. It was an ugly game and ECA lost. ECA got beat down because they failed to maintain their composure.

ECA can hang with any team in Texas. (as of last year, this season hasnt started yet) Look at the scores.


I think this year, will be much different. I think ECA will get beat by Springdale Ark. pretty bad. I think they may pull a win out against Texas High (4A), but it wont be pretty. I think Longview will beat them again. If ECA loses all 3 of its non-district games, I'll bet there will be Texas teams lined up to play them next year.


I'm not taking anything away from Texas teams because I really haven't seen that many of them play. But beating the same half-good teams year in and year out proves nothing. If ECA only played Louisiana schools that were less than 4A, they would have nothing but wins and that would really prove nothing. They can compete with 5A schools from anywhere and have proven it.
Can all your really good Texas 5A's do that? We may never know.



But all that said, I really do look forward to seeing some Texas ball this year. I'm not going back home to watch ECA destroy a bunch of 1A teams. There is no fun to see with that.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

I say Trinity does. is this just for 5A?

[TheDuke]

We do!

Katy
Lufkin
North Shore
Klein Collins
etc....

[dada]

We do!

Katy
Lufkin
North Shore
Klein Collins
etc....
I say the Woodlands....They have a chance of starting 0-3...but will make a run when it counts.

[TheDuke]

I say the Woodlands....They have a chance of starting 0-3...but will make a run when it counts.

Katy
Humble
North Shore

These are the first 3 games, if we lose against Humble then we won't have a good year.

[lonny23]

lonny.

ECA plays out of state teams because nobody in-state will play them. They will usually travel to almost anywhere. Which is why they have gone to California, Arkanasas, Florida, Alabama, and Texas.

ECA does NOT recruit. Unless you can prove it, and i mean really prove it, we should just drop that discussion. It is played out and pointless.


You are right, geography does have a little to do with it. Dallas ain't much further than Monroe. I would bet ECA would travel to see any team in Dallas.
Since they have been forced to play in 1A, they only get 3 non-district games now. They are all out of state teams. Louisiana 5A schools wont play them.


You are right about depth. Most Louisiana schools dont have depth. They run the ball almost every down. They lose almost every game they play to a team that passes.

ECA is a passing team. As long as they play passing games, they do pretty good. Against any team. When they start trying to run a lot, they start losing games. Plus, running games are a bore to watch.

Yes, ECA has a pretty crappy record against Texas teams the last couple of years. The only team that has seriously got the better of them was Longview last year. It was an ugly game and ECA lost. ECA got beat down because they failed to maintain their composure.

ECA can hang with any team in Texas. (as of last year, this season hasnt started yet) Look at the scores.


I think this year, will be much different. I think ECA will get beat by Springdale Ark. pretty bad. I think they may pull a win out against Texas High (4A), but it wont be pretty. I think Longview will beat them again. If ECA loses all 3 of its non-district games, I'll bet there will be Texas teams lined up to play them next year.


I'm not taking anything away from Texas teams because I really haven't seen that many of them play. But beating the same half-good teams year in and year out proves nothing. If ECA only played Louisiana schools that were less than 4A, they would have nothing but wins and that would really prove nothing. They can compete with 5A schools from anywhere and have proven it.
Can all your really good Texas 5A's do that? We may never know.



But all that said, I really do look forward to seeing some Texas ball this year. I'm not going back home to watch ECA destroy a bunch of 1A teams. There is no fun to see with that.
John Curtis is in the same boat as you guys. They have to go back to beating up on 2A after they've ruled 4A. The worst part is that West Monroe has carte blanche to win state every year.

I agree Evangel will play anybody. There are plenty of big-time teams that do that. The Texas schools have more choices and don't play as many from out of state. Most of the out of state games are from towns closer to the state border (El Paso, ET, etc.)

The depth I was talking about was the number of really good teams. Texas teams lose out in the national polls because the same team doesn't win state every year. We have upsets and the best we've been able to do in 5A is to get a 6-time champ since 1980. All-time, the best we've been able to do in all classes is get a 7-time champ. John Curtis has about 16 since 1980!

[dada]

Katy
Humble
North Shore

These are the first 3 games, if we lose against Humble then we won't have a good year.
Humble is a DANGEROUS game!!!
Humble should be back to form this year...plus you have them sandwiched between Katy and Northshore. That game could get interesting.

[RedRage00]

It's funny that Judson's biggest fan on here is a BANDWAGONER :D :p :cool:

[CoppellCowboy57]

Coppell by far has the hardest...Jesuit (10-2), Southlake (17-0), Duncanville (10-3), Euless Trinty (11-4), Irving Mac (10-1), Irving Nimtz (4-6), Grand Praire (2-10), LD Bell (3-7), Irving High (6-5), SGP (6-4)

Only 3 teams on have losing recrods and only 4 teams didnt make the play-offs...

so by far coppell has the toughest scdedule this season

[TheDuke]

Humble is a DANGEROUS game!!!
Humble should be back to form this year...plus you have them sandwiched between Katy and Northshore. That game could get interesting.

Tell me more about Humble. I haven't herd a peep out of them this year? I know they lost some ballers last year but who is back?

[dada]

Tell me more about Humble. I haven't herd a peep out of them this year? I know they lost some ballers last year but who is back?
You may have seen this already Duke...a write up out of the Chronicle:

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/fb/fbh/3298783

[KT2000]

Last year, Humble was supposed to be loaded up after they learned the spread offense the year before but it never came around. Every time I think Humble has a good team, I'm dissapointed come playoff time so I really don't know what to expect from them. They've never really shown the strength in the post-season lately that would have me looking at them as a top team in the region. I saw them play twice last year, and they kind of fell apart at the seams in both games. Humble has talent on par with anyone in the area, but they have yet to put it together.

[Redneckn]

Lonny. you are correct about JC. They are screwed just the same as ECA. I don't look for WM to have a good season really though. There are some teams in La. that can beat them, but they dont usually get that chance.


I have noticed the massive numbers of 5A schools over here. Have they ever thought about a 6A?

[KT2000]

6A isn't happening for geographic reasons. Some areas like Houston and Dallas are heavily loaded with schools that would qualify, but parts of West and South Texas may have just one or two isolated schools. You run into some big travel issues when trying to align the schools, and that's what prevents it from happening.

[StormingCowboy]

Plus Texas has enough champions as it is!!

[Redneckn]

Yeah, I forgot that there are large parts of Texas that are virtual no mans land. haha..

The 2 championship teams should have to play each other in the end. To me, that would be more fair. But I'm sure that these ideas have all been tossed about a hundred times before.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

Last year, Humble was supposed to be loaded up after they learned the spread offense the year before but it never came around. Every time I think Humble has a good team, I'm dissapointed come playoff time so I really don't know what to expect from them. They've never really shown the strength in the post-season lately that would have me looking at them as a top team in the region. I saw them play twice last year, and they kind of fell apart at the seams in both games. Humble has talent on par with anyone in the area, but they have yet to put it together.They better put it together before us and Westfield get to them.

[c-lisle]

I'm going with Judson. They play 3 teams in the Top 25 and are in the toughest district in the state. I don't give a rip about any of the teams playing out of state opponents. For the most part, that's like playing 3A or 4A in Texas. You know if Evangel and West Monroe were that great, they'd beat Longview ever now and then. Non-Texas teams are overrated in the national polls because they look good on paper winning state titles without much effort. As much as I'd like to see Tyler Lee lose games, I hope all the Texas teams beat the guys out of state.

Lonny, you are just assuming C Judson would beat Evangel and WM. Have you seen Evangel play? They are a very good team, not as good last year as they usually are and we had to beat them in OT. They have some studs on their team every year. We haven't played WM before so maybe they can beat us, I doubt it this year, but there is a chance slim as it may be.

[lonny23]

Lonny, you are just assuming C Judson would beat Evangel and WM. Have you seen Evangel play? They are a very good team, not as good last year as they usually are and we had to beat them in OT. They have some studs on their team every year. We haven't played WM before so maybe they can beat us, I doubt it this year, but there is a chance slim as it may be.
I was at the Longview-Evangel game last year. It wasn't either team's best performance. I know other Evangel teams were regarded better, but Brock Berlin didn't impress me and the Booty brothers don't do it for me, so I'm not buying all the hype to the levels of excellence in the past.

I thought Longview had a 2 year series with West Monroe a few years ago. I know the Lobos have played Ruston, Neville, and Ouachita.

2003 Judson would not beat the LA teams, but the 2004 version would've done it.

[lonny23]

Yeah, I forgot that there are large parts of Texas that are virtual no mans land. haha..

The 2 championship teams should have to play each other in the end. To me, that would be more fair. But I'm sure that these ideas have all been tossed about a hundred times before.
They'll play each other this year, so you'll know who the real champ is! ;)

[Redneckn]

You mean there will be an absolute Texas Champion in 5A?


That is so sweeeet...

[Mad Hatter]

i dont thatk thats what he meant....im sure that was something about judson and Lee...

[GarlandOwl06]

All i know is that i would hate to be in a district with Longview, Lee, the Mesquite schools and TJT

[bhs06]

Wow Coppell does have a pretty tough schedule. I don't expect them to beat Duncanville this year though. I think Coppell is in for a rough season. All you really have to do is shut down Coppell's running game and you are fine, as their passing game is below average and defense is mediocre at best. Their offensive line is pretty good but with no passing game expect blitzes from all direction to come. My predicitons(3-7, 2-5):

Jesuit- Win by 6
SLC- Lose by 45
Duncanville- Lose by 21
Trinity- Lose by 17
MacArthur - Lose by 20
Nimitz - Win by 14
Grand Prairie - Win by 24
Bell - Lose by 17
Irving - Lose by 30
SGP - Lose by 10

[CoppellCowboy57]

Wow Coppell does have a pretty tough schedule. I don't expect them to beat Duncanville this year though. I think Coppell is in for a rough season. All you really have to do is shut down Coppell's running game and you are fine, as their passing game is below average and defense is mediocre at best. Their offensive line is pretty good but with no passing game expect blitzes from all direction to come. My predicitons(3-7, 2-5):

Jesuit- Win by 6
SLC- Lose by 45
Duncanville- Lose by 21
Trinity- Lose by 17
MacArthur - Lose by 20
Nimitz - Win by 14
Grand Prairie - Win by 24
Bell - Lose by 17
Irving - Lose by 30
SGP - Lose by 10

lets see

My prodiction
Jesuit - win by 6
SLC - lose by 37 (yeah even a lose)
Duncanville - Win by 3
Trinty - Lose by 21
MacArhur - Lose by 14
Nimitz- Win by 7
GP- Win by 24
Bell - Win by 21
Irving - Win by 7
SGP- Win by >3
7-3

[bhs06]

I think Coppell beating us by 21 is a little out there. We have the better offense(in my opinion) and defenses seem to be about even. Speed wise and athletically I think we are better also. We are a completely different team than last season(we no longer have that run the ball up the middle every play offense) or the underachievers(first play of the game last year, that deep pass for a touchdown to whoever it was for Coppell, our safety had a chance to tackle him but just stopped running) and new coaching(5 of our coaches have 2 state rings each) so throw out last years embarrasment :) .

[lonny23]

You mean there will be an absolute Texas Champion in 5A?


That is so sweeeet...
To have an absolute champ, you have to play each other and we all know how good SA Lee and SA MacArthur are! :D

Actually, I was talking about Judson and Smithson Valley.

On another note, I'd like to see the 2 worst teams play each other, too.

[wide-e-wide]

To have an absolute champ, you have to play each other and we all know how good SA Lee and SA MacArthur are! :D

Actually, I was talking about Judson and Smithson Valley.

On another note, I'd like to see the 2 worst teams play each other, too.

In the worst teams game...let's make it interesting.
Backyard rules...4 downs or touchdowns...10 mississippi and all that stuff.
I'll pay to see that one.

[TheDuke]

You may have seen this already Duke...a write up out of the Chronicle:

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/fb/fbh/3298783


I haven't seen that. Maybe we should watch out for the Wildcats this year also!:eek:

[pooch]

All i know is that i would hate to be in a district with Longview, Lee, the Mesquite schools and TJT


Mesquite opens with Allen, then always strong Arl. Lamar @ home, then against North Garland, then always tough Duncanville. Their first district game is Longview. This same schedule had them 1-4 last year until they played North Mesquite (huge rival) and got a win. They parlayed that for a few more wins and made the playoffs with some lackluster talent compared to years past.

[DiamondJ2]

You are correct KT, too much $ would be spent on travel expenses. Go with the four team playoff spot, but start the 10 game season in the current week zero and add an extra week to playoffs to determine a true champ. But the district champion should receive home field advantage for the 1st game against the 4th place team. Or cut back to nine games and start in week zero, of course either way it would take 7 playoff games to be the champion. It may get down to survival of the healthiest.

[KT2000]

If we're going to take four teams, I suggest we take the top two from each district and put them in a championship bracket and the other two go to a consolation bracket. Two 64 team brackets, and we call the winner of the championship bracket our undisputed champion. Obviously, every school in the state wants to be a part of the playoffs and a format like that would give 3rd and 4th place teams a chance to compete rather than between overmatched in round one. Having two champions is a little too BCS like for my taste, and it really makes no sense. In my opinion, if you can't at least finish in the top three of your district then you have no business being in the playoffs. That's just my opinion which yall have heard more of on this subject than you probably wanted.

[NMHS fan]

Mesquite opens with Allen, then always strong Arl. Lamar @ home, then against North Garland, then always tough Duncanville. Their first district game is Longview. This same schedule had them 1-4 last year until they played North Mesquite (huge rival) and got a win. They parlayed that for a few more wins and made the playoffs with some lackluster talent compared to years past.

Mesquite was actually 0-5 when they played North Mesquite last season, making their run even more remarkable.

[myround0]

ECA plays Texas teams to better prepare for the beating they give the Louisiana teams. It doesn't matter what size a private school is in Louisiana since you can recruit. I used to live in New Orleans and was a fan of John Curtis. They were 2A when LA only went to 4A, but was the best team in town most years.

LA doesn't have the depth of Texas. You know West Monroe was who ECA looked at each year. My relatives live in West Monroe and I love it when the Rebels lose. When Longview beats the best teams in Louisiana on a routine basis and can't win state in Texas, it tells you we have a lot better football around here. You'll see it when the Texas teams beat the out of staters.

Geography has a lot to do with who teams schedule. Longview is closer to Shreveport than Dallas. It's only about 170 to West Monroe. The Lobos also had the benefit of having a coach who was at Northeast LA Univ (LA-Monroe) and coached HS in LA. Good to great teams in Texas sometimes have a hard time getting somebody to play them. The Little SWC would have to travel quite a bit to play other 5A teams in non-district and out of state games have appeal. For the most part, the Dallas and Houston teams find other teams in town to play in non-district, which brings me to...

Judson. San Antonio teams are tired of losing to them and won't play them. Judson has only played 4 non-district games against SA in the last 8 years. They go outside of town and play teams with talent, speed, and many times large enrollments. I really don't think Coach Rackley likes the distractions that would go with playing out of state teams or the fact that it's so far to even get out of the state. I can assure you they aren't ducking anybody. They're only the most successful 5A team All-time in Texas. 200 miles is probably about the max that they want to go to play. They did go to San Benito one year, though.

I'll even give you some reading material! :D
http://www.geocities.com/eingedi.geo/judson_rocketball.html

Lonny, do me a favor and put Lufkin, Longview, and Tyler Lee on Judson's non-district for the next ten years. Please put those three schools on your list and let's just see how well the Rockets do. Ten years is all I ask...I would be luck to get those three teams on the Rocket's list for ten minutes...you would see Judson with at least three loses...at least

[RedRage00]

AMEN myround!!!

[drgnbkr]

AMEN myround!!!

I'm there too...bring that Judson bunch up North sometime.....who knows what might happen...

[PowerPack'd]

Lonny, do me a favor and put Lufkin, Longview, and Tyler Lee on Judson's non-district for the next ten years. Please put those three schools on your list and let's just see how well the Rockets do. Ten years is all I ask...I would be luck to get those three teams on the Rocket's list for ten minutes...you would see Judson with at least three loses...at least

I wish we could play CJ. Being in a district with Tyler Lee and Longview was no picnic, but we always welcomed the challenge. They field tough teams every year. Our non-district schedule this year is pathetic. We have one good game against Eisenhower. I don't know why we dropped TLee.

I give ECA credit. Lufkin played them two years running and got beat both times. They have a phenomenal system in place, much like SLC.

[pooch]

Mesquite was actually 0-5 when they played North Mesquite last season, making their run even more remarkable.


yep, that's right. Thanks. :o

[lonny23]

Lonny, do me a favor and put Lufkin, Longview, and Tyler Lee on Judson's non-district for the next ten years. Please put those three schools on your list and let's just see how well the Rockets do. Ten years is all I ask...I would be luck to get those three teams on the Rocket's list for ten minutes...you would see Judson with at least three loses...at least
Myround,

I want you to remember something. I lived in East Texas for 10 years and Longview for 3 1/2 of those. As a kid, I was a Lobo fan and still root for them. You and a few other people seem to forget the test of time. Teams come and go as the hot team of the moment. That's why there are only 6 teams that have won 100 games in the last 10 years and none of the 3 you mentioned have done it.

Judson has won over 100 games in the last 10 years and this is in spite of them playing subpar to Judson standards for half the decade. For a minute, I'll ignore that Judson won titles in 1983 and 2002 and focus on 1988-1998. During those 11 years, Judson won titles in 1988, 1992, 1993, and 1995 and lost the title game in 1990, 1996, and 1998 with semifinal losses in 1989, 1991 and 1994.

The Rutledge regime came to an end in 2000 and Rackley took over and since 1999, Judson's 2 great teams were 2002 and 2004 with the others lacking compared to the past.

Tyler Lee is only recently a good-great team and is 50-16 since 2000. Longview has a long and proud history, but it pales in comparison to Judson and they can only put up a 39-21 since 2000. Lufkin is not an all-time great, but they have been more consistent and better than Lee and Longview since 1998 and is 59-11 since 2000. Judson at their worst is 50-12 since 2000.

Like I said before, Judson is not going to travel more than 200 miles for a game. They seem to like bigger schools. They seem to have an affinity for 13-5A, though. Judson's non-district schedule isn't as important as other schools because they play in the best district in the state.

[PowerPack'd]

Myround,

I want you to remember something. I lived in East Texas for 10 years and Longview for 3 1/2 of those. As a kid, I was a Lobo fan and still root for them. You and a few other people seem to forget the test of time. Teams come and go as the hot team of the moment. That's why there are only 6 teams that have won 100 games in the last 10 years and none of the 3 you mentioned have done it.

Judson has won over 100 games in the last 10 years and this is in spite of them playing subpar to Judson standards for half the decade. For a minute, I'll ignore that Judson won titles in 1983 and 2002 and focus on 1988-1998. During those 11 years, Judson won titles in 1988, 1992, 1993, and 1995 and lost the title game in 1990, 1996, and 1998 with semifinal losses in 1989, 1991 and 1994.

The Rutledge regime came to an end in 2000 and Rackley took over and since 1999, Judson's 2 great teams were 2002 and 2004 with the others lacking compared to the past.

Tyler Lee is only recently a good-great team and is 50-16 since 2000. Longview has a long and proud history, but it pales in comparison to Judson and they can only put up a 39-21 since 2000. Lufkin is not an all-time great, but they have been more consistent and better than Lee and Longview since 1998 and is 59-11 since 2000. Judson at their worst is 50-12 since 2000.

Like I said before, Judson is not going to travel more than 200 miles for a game. They seem to like bigger schools. They seem to have an affinity for 13-5A, though. Judson's non-district schedule isn't as important as other schools because they play in the best district in the state.

What is Judson's record over the past 10 years? I ran some numbers on Lufkin. While they haven't cracked the century mark, they are 95-30-1 in the last ten years. Granted we have been better of late, but still not bad over the last ten years. Our only losing season in the last ten was Coach Outlaw's first here in 1995.

I am not taking anythin away from Judson, but Lufkin has proven that they can compete with anybody.

[Mad Hatter]

acctually were 42 and 12 in the past 5 years

and 9 and 2 in the playoffs.

[lonny23]

Judson is 105-23 in the last 10 years. They were 55-11 from 1995 to 1999 and 50-12 from 2000 to 2004.

[Mad Hatter]

id say thats pretty danm good....not to mention 2 or 3 titles and like 5 title apearences.

[PowerPack'd]

Judson is 105-23 in the last 10 years. They were 55-11 from 1995 to 1999 and 50-12 from 2000 to 2004.

That is very good! My hat is off to Judson.

Barring major catastrophe, Lufkin should break the century mark in a ten year span this year.

[CoppellCowboy57]

I think Coppell beating us by 21 is a little out there. We have the better offense(in my opinion) and defenses seem to be about even. Speed wise and athletically I think we are better also. We are a completely different team than last season(we no longer have that run the ball up the middle every play offense) or the underachievers(first play of the game last year, that deep pass for a touchdown to whoever it was for Coppell, our safety had a chance to tackle him but just stopped running) and new coaching(5 of our coaches have 2 state rings each) so throw out last years embarrasment :) .

lets see we had the worst season we've had since 1995 last year, cause are players didnt give a darn about last season...This years team as more talent then any team had for a long time...Coppell also has a QB this year that is good...Last year our offensive line only started 2 seniors, this year they return 5 STARTING offensiveline men, that started in at least 2 games...

Y'all lost to a bad team last year, this year, y'all going to lose to a decent team

[StormingCowboy]

Myround,

I want you to remember something. I lived in East Texas for 10 years and Longview for 3 1/2 of those. As a kid, I was a Lobo fan and still root for them. You and a few other people seem to forget the test of time. Teams come and go as the hot team of the moment. That's why there are only 6 teams that have won 100 games in the last 10 years and none of the 3 you mentioned have done it.

Judson has won over 100 games in the last 10 years and this is in spite of them playing subpar to Judson standards for half the decade. For a minute, I'll ignore that Judson won titles in 1983 and 2002 and focus on 1988-1998. During those 11 years, Judson won titles in 1988, 1992, 1993, and 1995 and lost the title game in 1990, 1996, and 1998 with semifinal losses in 1989, 1991 and 1994.

The Rutledge regime came to an end in 2000 and Rackley took over and since 1999, Judson's 2 great teams were 2002 and 2004 with the others lacking compared to the past.

Tyler Lee is only recently a good-great team and is 50-16 since 2000. Longview has a long and proud history, but it pales in comparison to Judson and they can only put up a 39-21 since 2000. Lufkin is not an all-time great, but they have been more consistent and better than Lee and Longview since 1998 and is 59-11 since 2000. Judson at their worst is 50-12 since 2000.

Like I said before, Judson is not going to travel more than 200 miles for a game. They seem to like bigger schools. They seem to have an affinity for 13-5A, though. Judson's non-district schedule isn't as important as other schools because they play in the best district in the state.


Correction: JUDSON DIDN'T WIN A TITLE IN 88!!!! They just have a trophy with an Asterick!!! They have won enuff over the years where they don't have to claim that one.

[c-lisle]

Judson is 105-23 in the last 10 years. They were 55-11 from 1995 to 1999 and 50-12 from 2000 to 2004.

Don't you mostly play region 3 and 4 teams though? Could the level of competition have anything to do with that record? Like you said Lee and LP have been much better the past 7-10 years. Lee, Lview, LP have been beating each other up the past 7-10 years. Put Judson in with us and I bet they would have many more losses.

[c-lisle]

Are we still talking about who has the toughest schedule? I will put an end to the discussion. Longview plays four state finalists, 2 of which were state champions last year, all of which are expected to be very good this year. Lake Highlands was respectable last year and looks to be improved this year. Mesquite showed everyone how dangerous they can be last year and almost all the other team will be improved.

Can any other team say they play four state finalists, 2 of which are state champs? If you can then maybe your schedule is tougher.

[jrdaniel]

Don't you mostly play region 3 and 4 teams though? Could the level of competition have anything to do with that record? Like you said Lee and LP have been much better the past 7-10 years. Lee, Lview, LP have been beating each other up the past 7-10 years. Put Judson in with us and I bet they would have many more losses.

Well, most of Judson's predistrict games are against northern teams, ie. Cove, Pflugy, Waco. After that, yes they play in Region 4, but arguably the toughest district in the state. So if you think Judson padded the numbers with patsies, the only patsies the Rockets have played have been in rounds 2 or 3 in the playoffs - and the annual game against SA Lee, other than that it has been top quality teams.

[Gooseisland10]

I think Coppell beating us by 21 is a little out there. We have the better offense(in my opinion) and defenses seem to be about even. Speed wise and athletically I think we are better also. We are a completely different team than last season(we no longer have that run the ball up the middle every play offense) or the underachievers(first play of the game last year, that deep pass for a touchdown to whoever it was for Coppell, our safety had a chance to tackle him but just stopped running) and new coaching(5 of our coaches have 2 state rings each) so throw out last years embarrasment :) .
New coaches means absoutley nothing... I don't know why people are saying all this stuff about Bell being great and stuff. They are still going to have a subpar .500 season, they are not going to make the playoffs, and Joe Mauro isn't going to end up with any offers. I hate for this news to come as such a shock or suprise to you. Coppell will beat them by at least 21 if not more as will every other team.

[Redneckn]

I think new coaches can make ALL the difference. It may not be immediately though. If you have SLC (since they think they are that good) and they got the coaching staff from say West Monroe (a team i know) this coming up year, they would still be pretty good. Over the next few years, they would be mediocre. Then after a few more years, they would suck.

If you took SLC coaches and moved them over to WM Louisiana, they would still suck and get stomped by Longview. But over a few years time, they would get better and better. And then, the LHSA would make them play in 1A because they were beating everyone. (thats how they do it in Louisiana)

So, in conclusion. The coaches can make all the difference.

[lonny23]

Don't you mostly play region 3 and 4 teams though? Could the level of competition have anything to do with that record? Like you said Lee and LP have been much better the past 7-10 years. Lee, Lview, LP have been beating each other up the past 7-10 years. Put Judson in with us and I bet they would have many more losses.
I never said any of the ET teams were better over the last 7-10 years. I said Lufkin was better in the last 5 years, but not the other 2 teams. I've lived in ET for 10 years and was a Lobo fan as a kid. Lufkin and Lee both used to be a joke and are on a good run right now. They were trash 10 years ago. Longview has always been competitive, with some real good teams, but they haven't had the juice to win it all since 1937.

There's one big fact that many people are forgetting. When Judson moves into your district, they are there to stay. You might beat them sometimes, but the odds say you won't beat them most of the time. Eventually, the Rockets might fall off their level of performance, but they've played at the highest level for almost every year since 1982. Many top teams have come and gone since Judson got good.

If you want to beat me up over something, pick track. Judson wins district every year in boys and girls track and dominates the region. When it comes time for state, Judson is middle of the pack in the standings because of number of entries, but aren't high in the standings in most events because they don't compete well enough outside the region. You can take almost every other boys and girls sports and we have teams in Region 4 that compete for state titles.

We're here to talk about football and the fact that Judson is 9-5 against Region 3 in the semis and they won 5 games on the field (out of 6 titles) in the title game says they can play anybody in the state. They've been beat out in Region 4 more than they've been beat out in the other regions and a few of those losses were to Westlake.

Judson plays Houston, Austin, and Central Texas teams in non-district. They play in the best district in the state and 3-5A most closely resembles the history of the 26-5A teams, with 3-5A winning out. There's a lot of history behind the teams in Judson's district. We all know the Rockets have played in 14 semifinals in the last 25 years, with 14 semis, 9 title games and 6 titles. Smithson Valley has played for 3 state titles in the last 4 years. Clemens left the district last year and was in the 2003 semis. Reagan has never made the playoffs and the best Madison has done is get to the semis. New Braunfels was in the district in the past and played for the 4A D1 title in 2002 among many playoff runs. MacArthur played for the title in 1998 (I know Katy won on the field in the semis!). Roosevelt won a title in 1995. Churchill won a title in 1976. Lee (Lee!) won a title in 1971 and lost the title game in 1965 and 1969. East Central and Seguin have had varying levels of success before and since leaving Judson's district.

I've seen all the ET teams schedules since 1998 and you guys have lost games to teams that Judson beat. The Rockets don't walk on water because they also take their lumps, but it's short-sighted to think that ET will just run all over Judson.

Football in Texas has taught me a very important lesson. There's a lot of depth in 5A and no team wins their region without being a very good team. No matter what district a team is in, they're going to have to play an excellent team to get to the semis. Anybody that wins a state title is a worthy team of being champions.

I close with a simple question for the masses. If I promised you that your favorite team gets to the semifinals 14 times in the next 25 years, would you take it without any promises beyond that? I know most people will say yes and that should tell you that it's foolish to assume Judson doesn't have much hope to beat your team, especially since they've had a winning record for 28 straight years.

[lonny23]

I think new coaches can make ALL the difference. It may not be immediately though. If you have SLC (since they think they are that good) and they got the coaching staff from say West Monroe (a team i know) this coming up year, they would still be pretty good. Over the next few years, they would be mediocre. Then after a few more years, they would suck.

If you took SLC coaches and moved them over to WM Louisiana, they would still suck and get stomped by Longview. But over a few years time, they would get better and better. And then, the LHSA would make them play in 1A because they were beating everyone. (thats how they do it in Louisiana)

So, in conclusion. The coaches can make all the difference.
Coaching is huge. You can build continuity with your coaching and that will win you a lot of games over a long period of time if your coaches are great. Talent comes and goes, especially in public schools, and teams records fluctuate a lot. In Texas, the best talent can't ever overcome the teams with great coaching and good talent. I watched John Curtis win game after game in the 80's because of coaching and the same thing has happened with Judson for over 20 years.

[Mad Hatter]

now wait a second we have had some great athelts...not big but not to many are faster. Id say it was all coaching if everyone on our team was below a 4.9 40...but wehn ure teams are almost the fastest in the state every year...i mean...

[Redneckn]

Lonny. That was my point.

But a coach can also screw it right up too. You can have all the talent in the world and with a crappy coach, you get crappy team. We have a lot of teams like that in Louisiana. Ok, maybe most of the teams in La are like that.
I can think of maybe 10 or less teams in La consistant to scrap with. The rest just field a team while waiting for basket-toss and wasteball.. uh. I mean basketfall and sweeties running for first.. oh.. haha.. sorry.. I just cant bring myself to say (or write) those words... :eek:

[lonny23]

Lonny. That was my point.

But a coach can also screw it right up too. You can have all the talent in the world and with a crappy coach, you get crappy team. We have a lot of teams like that in Louisiana. Ok, maybe most of the teams in La are like that.
I can think of maybe 10 or less teams in La consistant to scrap with. The rest just field a team while waiting for basket-toss and wasteball.. uh. I mean basketfall and sweeties running for first.. oh.. haha.. sorry.. I just cant bring myself to say (or write) those words... :eek:
I know I'm in the minority, but I kinda like the power poll system to get 32 playoff teams. I don't see why the higher seed has to travel many times, though. We know coaches can screw up talent because we watch Waco and the former Clemens teams! :p

[Redneckn]

I think the thought behind that is that, in theory, the higher seeded team already stands a better chance of winning.
I dont like it when I am the one having to do the traveling. But really, it is all part of the game. If your team (not your personally lonny, i know they are are going to win state this year) cant travel and kick butt, then they are not all that good.


How are the Div. I and Div. II teams divided here? is the state cut in half down the center North to South or what?

What happened to Marshall Texas? Is that school now a 4A or something?

[lonny23]

I think the thought behind that is that, in theory, the higher seeded team already stands a better chance of winning.
I dont like it when I am the one having to do the traveling. But really, it is all part of the game. If your team (not your personally lonny, i know they are are going to win state this year) cant travel and kick butt, then they are not all that good.


How are the Div. I and Div. II teams divided here? is the state cut in half down the center North to South or what?

What happened to Marshall Texas? Is that school now a 4A or something?
Marshall is 4A because the enrollment cutoff for 5A kept going up. They won their one and only state title in 5A by beating Judson in 1990 with Dennis Parker at coach and he was the Offensive Coordinator on the 1983 Judson title team.

They started D1 and D2 in Texas because the Northeast ISD schools in San Antonio got tired of losing to Judson and wanted to have a chance for a title. It immediately made Judson a lot harder to beat in D1. What they do is take the top 3 finishers in each district and place the school among the 3 with the highest enrollment in D1 and the other 2 teams in D2. They'll have 2 teams in D1 and 2 teams in D2 starting next year. The idea was that large schools like Judson and Plano had too much of an advantage in football and 2 champions makes it fairer for all. Early on, there were some years where the D2 champion was larger than the D1 champion.

Euless Trinity, Duncanville, Tyler Lee, Judson, North Shore, Westfield, Woodlands, and Midland Lee will almost always be D1 teams. The top teams I left out are usually D2 teams. That will change somewhat next year.

[bleedgreen]

boy, oh boy, oh boy.......we've got the "juice" lonny......bring Judson up here to East Texas and lets see if THEY have the juice--LOL...................you may be shocked when the final whistle blows? seriously, i've said it before...i would love to drop the La. teams and add some "powerhouse" Texas teams to our non-district schedule.......Judson(1st choice), maybe Abilene, Katy, SLC, Carter--etc..........and yes, even Lufkin................................

[Redneckn]

BledGreen. Not to worry. I have a feeling after this year, y'all wont have to play ECA anymore. Since the whole 1A thing. And WestMonroe. After you stomp them into the turf 09-03, they probably wouldnt play you again anyway. They have a nasy little habit of once you beat them, they wont play you again unless they have no choice.

[bleedgreen]

yea, that's what i've heard about them......but, they do have a good squad, year in and year out just like ECA.......i'm not going to say that we will win, but we will give it hell trying to do so--LOL.......nothing against your home state of La., but beating these teams every season(ECA, Ouchita, Neville, Ruston--etc....) doesn't seem to help our cause for a 5A state title here in Texas......then again, it just may because they are usually hard fought games..only a few blow-outs........we play just great throughout the season, but then we run into Lufkin and our luck runs out!! they have our number at this particular time. i really don't know if playing tough, Texas teams rather than the La. teams would benefit us?? we can beat the other Texas teams in the playoffs, but then we always meet up with our East Texas neighbor Lufkin.......well, at least it's another East Texas team sending us home each year....................we have 3 in a row against ECA.....just think if it was NINE in row like Lufkin has on us!! big, purple cloud hanging over our heads here in Longview......can't wait to get that "monkey" off of our backs!!

[RP-3]

yea, that's what i've heard about them......but, they do have a good squad, year in and year out just like ECA.......i'm not going to say that we will win, but we will give it hell trying to do so--LOL.......nothing against your home state of La., but beating these teams every season(ECA, Ouchita, Neville, Ruston--etc....) doesn't seem to help our cause for a 5A state title here in Texas......then again, it just may because they are usually hard fought games..only a few blow-outs........we play just great throughout the season, but then we run into Lufkin and our luck runs out!! they have our number at this particular time. i really don't know if playing tough, Texas teams rather than the La. teams would benefit us?? we can beat the other Texas teams in the playoffs, but then we always meet up with our East Texas neighbor Lufkin.......well, at least it's another East Texas team sending us home each year....................we have 3 in a row against ECA.....just think if it was NINE in row like Lufkin has on us!! big, purple cloud hanging over our heads here in Longview......can't wait to get that "monkey" off of our backs!!

Brother you said a mouth full and I agree with you 110%

[Redneckn]

Yeah, I think my Eagles had a perfect record against Texas teams until your LV unit beat us 3 years ago.. Since then, we havent done as well with Texas teams.

I know they beat Carter, Longview, Lufkin, Marshall, JohnTyler. Seems like 1 other, but i guess not... anyway...

I dont agree with how they (lhsa) has forced ECA back into 1A, but i really do think it for the best in the long run.

[Slim-Rob]

boy, oh boy, oh boy.......we've got the "juice" lonny......bring Judson up here to East Texas and lets see if THEY have the juice--LOL...................you may be shocked when the final whistle blows? seriously, i've said it before...i would love to drop the La. teams and add some "powerhouse" Texas teams to our non-district schedule.......Judson(1st choice), maybe Abilene, Katy, SLC, Carter--etc..........and yes, even Lufkin................................

Do you think we get a kick out of playing teams like Laredo Nixon and San Antonio Lee?

[Hornified64]

I have to say that Longview and Tyler Lee probably have the
two toughest overall regualr season schedules...with the emphasis
on non-district foes.

Longview plays the likes of Marshall, West Monroe, Lake Highlands
and Evangel in non-district.

Tyler Lee hosts Chaminade Madonna and Euless Trinity as well as
traveling to Ohio to face Colerain plus Waco High the week before
that trip.

Then the two face one another on either October 6th or 7th (depending
on TV).

Serious scheduling by both District 12-5A teams....both taking on
"big-time" challenges before the start of District play.

There may be others that have tough schedules but I'd have to
say that the list is pretty short.

[bleedgreen]

rocketTRN-----i agree with you, brother---you really don't have a choice who you play in non-district. i guess the coaches know best?? speaking of dropping teams in non-district, i forgot about one--Lake Highlands....that is a complete waste of time and energy!! all that they want to do is play dirty and take cheapshots when they're getting their ***** handed to them.........redneckin----beating Marshall and JT at that time wasn't a real "accomplishment". now beating Lufkin was a real ordeal, but beating us 4 years ago with a field of inexperienced juniors and sophomores wasn't an accomplishment, either. it was pretty tough playing ECA(and the refs) with the squad that we fielded that particular night. ECA did win(i believe 27-7 if my memory serves me correctly)but, we had not one, but TWO TD's called back(a punt return for a TD and a kickoff return for a TD). the refs made damn sure to keep it out of reach for us. that was the most ridiculous called game that i have ever witnessed in my life!! even the ECA fans on their website were talking about how bad we got screwed....many Lobo fans still to this day talk about that game in general discussions on Friday nights---that's how bad it was. and, on top of that, at the time that the TD's were called back, it would have been ECA that would have had to try and mount a comeback. i was there in the rain and mud, a night i will never forget. i was so upset at halftime that i went down the bleachers to where the refs were walking off of the field and gave their sorry butts a piece of my mind! only to be escorted back to my seat by the Shreveport police threatening to take me to jail.....the grand finally to this story was out in the parking lot when we were leaving. i was challenged to a fight from a 70 year old ECA fan and his wife....never heard profanity come out of a 70 year old's mouth like that, especially not from an ECA fan?? and if you have noticed, we have not set foot back in Evangel's stadium since----one screwing is enough....you said in earlier thread that you had some problems with LV fans....brother, EVERY year i have had multiple problems with ECA fans coming and leaving the game. the things that i have witnessed from ECA over the past years makes me believe that a "Christian" academy is NO different from a public school---just a little smaller...........just stating the facts, Redneckin. not starting an argument by any means, brother....as for you guys being moved down to 1A, you really don't have a choice because of the small enrollment there at ECA...should be like playing against middle schools--LOL......definitely another state title for ECA....................................

[Redneckn]

BledGreen.
There is always an excuse for losing a game. LV got beat. Just like for the last 3 ECA got beat.

As for the calls. I was at the game, it is not something I can sit and recall like yesterday. But I can say that since I have been to all but about 6 ECA games since they started a football program, they (ECA) has never had an official from any state or district give them any kind of slack. So, while you may have had an old man challenge you, I dont think the ref's were favoring ECA.. Remember they are hated severely in Louisiana. As for the old man, you should have slapped him around and got his mind right.

yes, ECA will have another title this year. It may be in 1A, but the rest of the state (and country) will know that no matter who wins that 5A title, it should be ECA.

So, moving on to other things...

[LoboFan07]

I dont see how you cant remember that 2001 game.

Pouring down rain. Lobo fans filling up the entire away side and those two side stands that you guys have after going 3-7 the season before.

The 2nd worst officiated game I've ever seen (1st being Longview/Evangel 2003). Those refs were seriously screwy. Evangel won no doubt. But the 27-7 score wasnt nothing. Easily a tied ball game if not 28-27 Longview without the refs stepping in. I remember it perfectly just because of being so po'ed about the referee's in that game. But 2003 holds first place by a large margin and you can not deny the refs were screwing both of us that night (mostly Longview)

And to bleedgreen's comment about Lake Highlands. I agree. I definately hope we drop them after this year. A series that has gone on 10 years to long (atleast after this year it'll be 10 years). It was nice when we started playing them cause they actually could play with us well sorta. They have never beaten us by more than 7 points and they only beat us by 7 once in 99 we were were freakin 4-6. The other two times wins for them have been by 1 point.

But I know for next year on the schedule so far its vs Marshall, @ West Monroe (Probably Indy again though, but we're the home team this year) then @ ECA Im sure.

Meaning if we have another 7 team district it would leave another spot open if we dont resign LH to another series. Could we possibley set up another series with Lufkin? If we could I definately say take it. I know Kilgore has been wanting to set up something with us but I dont see that happening even though I wouldnt mind it just cause you know the rivalry is already there. I wouldnt mind play a 4A ET school at all as long as they're a good team etc, Kilgore, Marshall, Texas High. Texas High would be great. I wonder if JT drops...would we keep John Tyler on our schedule (for some reason I hope not). And what about Dallas schools? I know that is the least likely thing to happen but I really want to face teams across the state. I agree with bleedgreen's other comment about setting up something with Abilene maybe, Judson, SLC (wont happen but hey we can dream), I dont want Carter on our schedule. Dallas Carter would be another waste IMO, not saying that they're a bad team but if they were in a different district theres no way they would be 10-0 every year.

We'll see what happens. A lot of things for next year rely on what happens coming out of the realignment. I hope we can still have 4 non-district games. I just want some new faces on our schedule. Im glad we have West Monroe but it still wont be the same. In fact, Im ready to drop Evangel but I just want to go into the State. Midland Lee was nice when we played them (especially upsetting them was fun LOL). We'll see what happens.

[Mad Hatter]

how far way are u guys from LA??? hey what about houston teams? you wont play them till the state game so there safes, you could get North Shore, Pa Memorial or Westfield to name a few or if u feel luky take on La marque. im sure they can give you some competition.

[LoboFan07]

We're an hour from Shreveport, LA.

Ok Houston area fine with me also..But who is going to come up here to Longview to play? If Dallas schools wont, why would Houston?

[raidercheerdad]

.

They started D1 and D2 in Texas because the Northeast ISD schools in San Antonio got tired of losing to Judson and wanted to have a chance for a title. It immediately made Judson a lot harder to beat in D1. What they do is take the top 3 finishers in each district and place the school among the 3 with the highest enrollment in D1 and the other 2 teams in D2. They'll have 2 teams in D1 and 2 teams in D2 starting next year. The idea was that large schools like Judson and Plano had too much of an advantage in football and 2 champions makes it fairer for all. Early on, there were some years where the D2 champion was larger than the D1 champion.

r.
Do you really believe that the UIL changed the WHOLE playoff system to accomodate a few inept schools that were powerhouses in the 60's and 70's from San Antonio???????

[Mad Hatter]

lol acctually he is right they did change it becasue of us.

[bleedgreen]

NO--say it isn't so, Lobo07......i do not want to set one toenail back in Evangel's stadium!! guess i better bring my vasoline that night?? Redneckin---brother, if you were at the game, you can't sit there and tell me that we didn't get the "screw" from those La. refs...even though you are an ECA fan, you can admit it.....yea, you're right--a loss is a loss no matter how you look at it. we definitely gave you guys a fair shake at Lobo Stadium..matter of fact, if i am remembering correctly, we had more penalized yards against us in our own backyard......anyway, moving on, i would welcome the challenge of Houston area schools(LaMarque, Katy, NS--etc..) anyone who would make us a better team for district.....Lake Highlands and ECA need to be dropped...i think both of those series are played out..............

[LoboFan07]

I agree...Drop em. Keep Marshall forever though lol. WM for a couple of years.

And you are correct about 02. We've had more penalty yards every game againist them.

[bleedgreen]

more penalized yards?? imagine that :cool: :cool: ....hey Lobo07, are you on the ETSupersite Forum???

[LoboFan07]

Yep. Im on almost every board out there lmao. Im one of the admin over at ETSupersite now.

[pack0808]

Beating Lufkin in 2000 was not a great win for evangel. Lufkin was just a pretty good team that year not great at all!! in 2001 that was a big win for Evangel because Lufkin had a great team that year. Evangel also beat Longview that year!! It looks like the series ended perfectly for Evangel because from all the indications say Lufkin would have beat them in 2002, 2003, and 2004. In 2003 Lufkin would probably have destroyed them!! I am glad that series ended and i prefer playing Texas teams. I do enjoy Longview beating Evangel every year i must admit. I believe it will be 4 in a row for Longview after the game this year.

[bleedgreen]

pack0808---you would have lost to ECA in 2002, 2003, and 2004.....how about those apples, Marvin Jr.???--LOL..............Lobo07----i'm lobo007 on the ETSupersite, but i am having problems logging in...Mavchamp said to contact him and he would fix the error, but he hasn't yet....i need to get on there and set some people straight--LOL........how is the password supposed to be logged in??? is there a new way or what?? i've already registered, my password was sent about 3 weeks ago, but i deleted it from my e-mail.....can you help????

[LoboFan07]

Hmm...went through the member list and I dont see you on it.

Dont know what to say. Maybe try making another account and then I could try and get it from there? If you have AIM, IM at LoboFan07, or e-mail at Lobosmu2007@aol.com

[pack0808]

pack0808---you would have lost to ECA in 2002, 2003, and 2004.....how about those apples, Marvin Jr.???--LOL..............Lobo07----i'm lobo007 on the ETSupersite, but i am having problems logging in...Mavchamp said to contact him and he would fix the error, but he hasn't yet....i need to get on there and set some people straight--LOL........how is the password supposed to be logged in??? is there a new way or what?? i've already registered, my password was sent about 3 weeks ago, but i deleted it from my e-mail.....can you help????


yeah right bleed!! So your saying Lufkin can beat a Longview team 6 times since 2002 but they would have lost 3 times to an Evangel team that lost to Longview 3 times in that same time period!! ;) By the way, how did Longview do against Evangel in 2001?? ;)

No not Marvin Jr but i was as pretty close to as dumb and crazy as he was for a short period of my life. Luckily i grew up!! lol I am amazed that we did not somehow meet in our earlier days bleed?? It is probably a good thing!! lol

[LoboFan07]

By the way, how did Longview do against Evangel in 2001?? ;)


Very good actually. But you know facing two teams in one night is just too hard. That Team Ref is a very good one if you hadnt heard of them.

[pack0808]

No offense, but Lufkin had no problem with Longview in 2001!!

[LoboFan07]

No offense, but Lufkin had no problem with Longview in 2001!!

Yea no problem at all. 29-20...no problem.

[c-lisle]

Yea no problem at all. 29-20...no problem.

It's funny that LP fans like to pretend that they have dominated Longview during the streak. Except for maybe two games they have all been pretty close. Lufkin will be shocked if they meet Longview in playoffs this year. Like last year minus the turnovers. Man that game would've been ugly had it not been for the turnovers.

[bleedgreen]

yea, pack0808---what he said--LOL..........................by the way, i have sent in protest on all nine in a row because lufkin had ineligible players, plus they won all of those games--LOL :cool: put that in your purple pipe and smoke on it you Panther freak!! man, i'm feeling crazy today, don't know what it is??? i have these kind of days about once a week...i need some professional help--LOL............i feel like knocking someone's teeth out!! is that normal????

[pack0808]

Again, Lufkin had no problem with Longview in 2001 with a 9 point victory and they definitely did not have a problem with them in 2002 when they beat them 3 times in 1 year besides the playoff game which was scary close and especially in 2003 when Lufkin won easily in both. now 2004 there was a big scare but once again lp prevailed and still managed to win by double digits. LOL You must have been feeling strange bleed when you were saying Lufkin had inelgible players. The streak is getting at you huh?? That would make me want to knock teeth out also if my Panthers have lost 9 in a row to anybody!! ;) Hey, i am pretty sure you fit the definition of a Lobo freak so will take the Panther freak as a compliment. ;)


and lord rclisle to say you sound like a pathetic beaten loser would be an understatement?? Although you guys have beat us 9!! times in a row you did not dominate us!! :rolleyes: What?? so is that an accomplishment?? Egads that your team actually hung around with the pack for several of the 9 losses. Here is your trophy!! :D you say, lufkin did not beat us bad in all of those 9 games so we are majorly pumped!! Then you go on and get the violin out once again and say if it was not for this and that and this and that we would have killed the panthers last year!! LMAO Now that is just embarrassing man you have to admit?? Hey, you can always count the scrimmage as a real game if that makes you feel better!! lol

[bleedgreen]

OUCH!!! can't argue with that....learn from me, rclisle...just don't bring up the Longview/Lufkin subject, brother--we don't have a wooden leg to stand on.....i stay clear of that subject.......but, i will ask my Panther buddy this question, since he asked me one----how did you guys do against ECA in 2001??? how have you done against ECA both times you played them??? we're 3-1 against them...isn't Lufkin 0-2 against ECA.....yall may have us, but we lay claim to owning ECA---not any other teams can make that claim, brother..........and yes, the "Panther freak" comment was a compliment because i know that i am a Lobo freak, through and through.........................

[LoboFan07]

Again, Lufkin had no problem with Longview in 2001 with a 9 point victory and they definitely did not have a problem with them in 2002 when they beat them 3 times in 1 year besides the playoff game which was scary close and especially in 2003 when Lufkin won easily in both. now 2004 there was a big scare but once again lp prevailed and still managed to win by double digits. LOL You must have been feeling strange bleed when you were saying Lufkin had inelgible players. The streak is getting at you huh?? That would make me want to knock teeth out also if my Panthers have lost 9 in a row to anybody!! ;) Hey, i am pretty sure you fit the definition of a Lobo freak so will take the Panther freak as a compliment. ;)

Well ACTUALLY since we're getting into it *prays before he gets into it* Ok time to go..

2002: Seems I got my years mixed up. 2001, Lufkin won 21-7. Ok Ill give you that one. But 2002 you had a harder time.
You guys first won 23-12 on a wet Lobo surface, making Longview lose their homecoming game. But it was a little closer than the score shows. First downs, Lp won that 16-14. Longview won the rushing attack 181-115. But Lp just killed us in the passing game 196 yards to 25. We now know why you won that one *curses the inconstitant passing game*
2nd game, the 29-20 win was so much closer than that score shows. you guys were up 22-20 a with 2 or so minutes to go. You guys had the ball then score and make it 29-20. Longview was down at half 15-6. Our passing game came to life (wow 93 yards considering coming to life is sad lmao) and kept the Lp offense incontrol...sorta. One of the better games in the streak.
3rd game, I still cant believe we lost this game. We all know it came down to 5 seconds left in the game after Lp was up 14-0 at half time and then Longview went up 21-14 in the 4th. Then Lp came back and won 24-21. Best game during the streak no question.

2003: 1st meeting was just plain sad. Lobos came out firing but died shortly after. 35-21 doesnt even show how much Lp dominated this game. Probably one of the best Lp squads I have ever seen. Just to show you how good that 12-5A district is, and how much it hurts you during the regular season with that tough of a schedule.
2nd meeting. A little closer. Still think it shouldve been 21-0 cause I think that Lp WR caught that ball as time ran out. Luckily though for us the refs called it incomplete to make it 7-0 at the half. We actually had an offense for this game racking up 326 yards to Lufkin's 283. But Longview's 5 fumbles and 60 yards in penalties cost Longview the chance at ending the streak.

2004: Well we dont even have to discuss this game. We all know what happens.

2005:...TBC

[wide-e-wide]

OUCH!!! can't argue with that....learn from me, rclisle...just don't bring up the Longview/Lufkin subject, brother--we don't have a wooden leg to stand on.....i stay clear of that subject.......but, i will ask my Panther buddy this question, since he asked me one----how did you guys do against ECA in 2001??? how have you done against ECA both times you played them??? we're 3-1 against them...isn't Lufkin 0-2 against ECA.....yall may have us, but we lay claim to owning ECA---not any other teams can make that claim, brother..........and yes, the "Panther freak" comment was a compliment because i know that i am a Lobo freak, through and through.........................

Bleed c'mon brother...you're better than that. Now you just sound like aggy. Your team can't beat them, so you bring another team that did (i.e.Mobilhoma)...don't take that route...it's a bumpy one.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

It's funny that LP fans like to pretend that they have dominated Longview during the streak. Except for maybe two games they have all been pretty close. Lufkin will be shocked if they meet Longview in playoffs this year. Like last year minus the turnovers. Man that game would've been ugly had it not been for the turnovers.
I was at that game in '01. I do believe the score was 21-7. Reggie went off in that game. spun through 7 lobos and threw a strike to T-Mott for 6. ha ha. and took the district title that nite as well. :D

[pack0808]

Yes Lufkin is 0-2 vs Evangel but that was in 2000 and 2001. The 2000 team was the worst Lufkin team since 1997 without a doubt. In 2001 yes Evangel beat Lufkin but they beat Longview that same year as did the Panthers. Those were Booty years. Longview has won 3 in a row since 2002 vs Evangel. So do you honestly believe that the 2002, 2003 and 2004 Panther team would not have beat them also?? Seeing what Longview did to Evangel in 2003 and looking what Lufkin did to Longview in 03 beating them soundly twice i would say Lufkin had a pretty decent chance that year. Evangel is not 1/2 as good as they were in 2000 and 2001 and Lufkin has improved immensely since 2000. Evangel just beat Lufkin in 2001!! They were that good. That game was close up until the 4th quarter. Lufkin just got beat plain and simple. That was their only loss that year by the way.

[c-lisle]

Bleed c'mon brother...you're better than that. Now you just sound like aggy. Your team can't beat them, so you bring another team that did (i.e.Mobilhoma)...don't take that route...it's a bumpy one.

Actually we have beaten them 30 times. But apparently LP can't beat SLC or ECA.

[LPFAN]

Actually we have beaten them 30 times. But apparently LP can't beat SLC or ECA.
Think about what you just said. You have beaten Lufkin alot because we have played alot. If we had played ECA and SLC alot I can guarantee that Lufkin would have some wins against each team. I know if we played SLC and ECA 9 times in the last several years we might not have won all 9 like we have against Longview but we would have won some. All this talk about close games, fumbles, broken wrists etc. is useless. At the end of the game it does not matter who got the most first downs, passing yards, receiving yards, time of possession and so on especially if you are the losing team. The only thing I can see people having a legit reason to say a game could have or should have been won is if there were some bad calls by the referee that are obvious when one sees a replay. Sometimes one of those calls can be a difference maker in a close game. Since we don't have instant replay then we will always be faced with those kinds of errors on the referees part. I see where some are saying "we won the rushing game" as if that matters. Do they give out trophies for out rushing your opponents? No! What matters is the FINAL SCORE PERIOD! If you beat Lufkin this year (which I know is possible) and then go on and win the State Championship game by one point after having been burned by the opponents rushing and passing game will you care about their stats or will you care about the final outcome? If the only reason you win is because a few of the opponents fumbles were recovered and gave you a short field to work with and score will you say that the other team really won but their backs could not hold on to the football. Probably not. You will be celebrating the fact that your team finally won a State Championship. And if you do I would not blame you. It is a great feeling. Beating Lufkin is something your team has done before and will do again. Winning State is what you will be most proud of. I know you all have a great team and this could be your year. As I have said before I am always pulling for Longview and all of our old district teams whenever we are not playing you all. Have a great season!

[pack0808]

Actually we have beaten them 30 times. But apparently LP can't beat SLC or ECA.


Now Rclisle, I think everybody has had trouble beating SLC besides Katy in the last 3 years. What are they 47-1 in the last 3 years!! :eek: It is not LP's fault that your team did not get a shot at SLC in 2002 and 2004. Well acutally it was!! ;)

[wide-e-wide]

Longview fans and players should know a lot about the SLC vs. Lufkin games...they were all in the stands with me watching it.

[pack0808]

By the way Lufkin is 50-7 the last 4 years and their only loss that was double digits in that time span was to Evangel in 2001 33-17 and Longview lost to them that same year 27-7!! Lufkin obviously went 15-1 that year and won a championship.

Lufkin only other losses in the last 4 years were all very close

lost to#1 SLC in 2002 33-30 and 37-30 in 2004
lost to a top 10 Tyler team 21-14 and 21-20 in ot in 2002 and 21-14 in 2003. Lufkin has beat Lee 2 out of 3 and 3 out of 5 since 2001.
lost to Garland 19-10 in 2003. Garland was the only team Lufkin has lost to in the last 4 years that was not a top 10 team. It would take me forever to list all the top 10 teams Lufkin has beat since that time. It is pretty impressive. only 7 losses in 4 years and they were in every one of them until the very end besides maybe the Evangel game which was close up until late in the 4th quarter.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

Yes Lufkin is 0-2 vs Evangel but that was in 2000 and 2001. The 2000 team was the worst Lufkin team since 1997 without a doubt. In 2001 yes Evangel beat Lufkin but they beat Longview that same year as did the Panthers. Those were Booty years. Longview has won 3 in a row since 2002 vs Evangel. So do you honestly believe that the 2002, 2003 and 2004 Panther team would not have beat them also?? Seeing what Longview did to Evangel in 2003 and looking what Lufkin did to Longview in 03 beating them soundly twice i would say Lufkin had a pretty decent chance that year. Evangel is not 1/2 as good as they were in 2000 and 2001 and Lufkin has improved immensely since 2000. Evangel just beat Lufkin in 2001!! They were that good. That game was close up until the 4th quarter. Lufkin just got beat plain and simple. That was their only loss that year by the way.
Didn't they put up a comeback then ECA scored a TD that pretty much through those hopes out the window?

[pack0808]

Yeah Lufkin had a great comeback vs Evangel and almost tied it in the 4th??? I think it was 19-16. Evangel then scored 2 td's at the end. The last one was ridiculous!! :( The game was over with Lufkin trailing 26-16 with only seconds left and Evangel had the ball in the red zone area. Instead of going to their knee and showing respect they threw to the endzone 3 times and scored a td on the final attempt with basically no seconds on the clock. That really pissed me off and that is when i lost a little respect for Evangel. That is why i love it when Longview beats them and i hope they do it again this year. Lufkin was actually the higher ranked team nationally in most polls then Evangel was going into that game. Many forget that!!

[LoboFan07]

ll this talk about close games, fumbles, broken wrists etc. is useless.

The only reason I have even said anything was because one of you guys go and say that it was an easy time againist Longview.

And if you want about that 2001 game vs Evangel, you obviously didnt see the game cause the refs called three touchdowns back on bogus calls that wouldve made the game 28-27.

BTW where was that 01 Lufkin game between Evangel? I have no idea where it was. :confused:

The Longview/Evangel series ehhh just plain needs to end. Evangel fans can say how good they want but we continue to beat them. Everyone says we cant make it 2 over Evangel, we did it. Everyone said we couldnt make it three over them...we did it. Everyone said we couldnt make it four over them, I'll get back to you on September 17th. The 2003 game, Lufkin no doubt would've killed Evangel. That team was GOOD (Lufkin). Evangel. Well we all know what happened in the first half of the ECA/LView game. Hats off to Collins for taking a stand againist them and threatening to turn them in if they didnt shape up.
I know that one of those years, if not all three, Lufkin would've beaten ECA. 04 would be hard to tell (I still think they shouldve beaten us but more credit to us). 02, also hard to tell because we werent even supposed to win (that had to be the biggest thrill that season, besides beating Garland 45-0).

It'll be interesting. 05, ECA looks ehhh interesting lmao but if they play like they did this year it'll be another close one.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

Yeah Lufkin had a great comeback vs Evangel and almost tied it in the 4th??? I think it was 19-16. Evangel then scored 2 td's at the end. The last one was ridiculous!! :( The game was over with Lufkin trailing 26-16 with only seconds left and Evangel had the ball in the red zone area. Instead of going to their knee and showing respect they threw to the endzone 3 times and scored a td on the final attempt with basically no seconds on the clock. That really pissed me off and that is when i lost a little respect for Evangel. That is why i love it when Longview beats them and i hope they do it again this year. Lufkin was actually the higher ranked team nationally in most polls then Evangel was going into that game. Many forget that!!
Yeah #3 I think.

[Redneckn]

I know I am really sorry I ever brought up ECA. I have not ever seen this much whining in my life. Geez, you got beat a couple of times, you have since beat them 3 times and you still cant get over the the losses. Let it go man.
You can sit and cry about the "short end" of the stick all you want. I really think that it's pathetic to just go on and on about it. I have seen ECA get the short of end of the stick in every single game they have played. The fans there dont go on and on about it.

Lets just hope that this will be the last year the 2 have to play each other. Then the Longview people can have some other team to play and can whine about that..

Longview, in my opinion, are the sorriest bunch losers and winners. Cant make them happy. :rolleyes:

[Mad Hatter]

lol im sure the longview people are gonna love that post :rolleyes:

[c-lisle]

I know I am really sorry I ever brought up ECA. I have not ever seen this much whining in my life. Geez, you got beat a couple of times, you have since beat them 3 times and you still cant get over the the losses. Let it go man.
You can sit and cry about the "short end" of the stick all you want. I really think that it's pathetic to just go on and on about it. I have seen ECA get the short of end of the stick in every single game they have played. The fans there dont go on and on about it.

Lets just hope that this will be the last year the 2 have to play each other. Then the Longview people can have some other team to play and can whine about that..

Longview, in my opinion, are the sorriest bunch losers and winners. Cant make them happy. :rolleyes:

Don't put us all in the same category....I am perfectly happy with a 3-1 record against ECA. No complaints from me. I do agree you about the series needing to end though. The games get nastier every year, plus with ECA going to 1a I don't see how they can continue to attract the talent to compete with us anymore.

[LoboFan07]

Longview, in my opinion, are the sorriest bunch losers and winners. Cant make them happy. :rolleyes:

LMAO LMAO LMAO

I think you're mixing us up with you're own fans

[c-lisle]

LMAO LMAO LMAO

I think you're mixing us up with you're own fans

TRUE THAT! LOL

[LoboFan07]

You know its sad when your a Lobo fan but dislike (since everyone says that hate is too strong of a word) ECA fans more than Lufkin fans

[Redneckn]

I've confused nothing.
The fact of the matter is that you still just cannot let it go.

Rclisle41: TRUE THAT! LOL

Appears as though you may fit right in with that bunch.

Seriously, do you (one that can accept reality) not see how funny it is that you got beat a few years back and you're still making excuses for it? There really is no excuse. The team played a game. The team got beat. You got your arse handed to you by an ECA that could have handled anybody. I don't really see where the problem with that is. You werent the only team they beat that year.

I don't expect ECA to win against Longview this year. But God help you if they do.. I will come and find your yard and plant little yellow flags in it and then spell out "WE LOST" with salt. Doesnt that sound like fun? haha :D

[Rerun]

Converse Judson Rockets have it TOUGH

Than again, any team that has to play in 26-5A has a tough go at it.

[LoboFan07]

We got your "arse" handed to us?

Bull crap we did. Look at the stats. Look at the game replay. Look at the freakin penalties. LOOK AT THE FREAKIN GAME TAPE AND SEE HOW MANY OF THOSE PENALTIES WERE TRUE. Cause I betcha that not even half of those penalties given to us really happened.

You beat us 27-7 after Longview gets three TD's taken back. Ok fine.

Boast all you want. You beat a 7-5 Longview club that had had a 4-6 season two years before and a 3-7 season the year before. And it was the first game of the season..*gives you a thumbs up* Congratulations.

But lets look at Longview. We beat you in 2002. You guys ranked #2 in the Nation. Only loss of the season. Ya lost. We beat you in 2003. You guys ranked #2 in the Nation. Two losses on the season. Ya Lost. We beat you in 2004. You guys werent even ranked in the Nation. Three losses on the season. Ya Lost.

I much rather beat you guys when you're number 2 in the nation than you beat us when were werent even predicted to make the playoffs that year.

[Redneckn]

I agree. LV beat ECA for the last 3 years. Thats good for Longview. I said I expect Lv to beat ECA again this year. But before that, ya got beat.

Why cant you just accept it and move on?

we had 3 td's taken back. we had all these fouls against us. we had, we had, we had. YOU LOST THE GAME....

now let go of your anger and move on..

You'll feel better in the morning..

Geez. I hope y'all manage to pull out a win with Marshall.

[LoboFan07]

Ok did you not even see me admit that we lost the game.

But I dont see why you're braggin about beating that 2001 Longview team.

7-5 Longview shouldve been a cake walk for ECA. Heck 2002 should've been a cake walk for ECA. Ooo but I forgot. Our refs screwed you that year. Sorry. Atleast according to the ECA fans after the game said.

We lost. Ok. Brag about it some more. Be my guest. But we still lead the series. And we are still the only team to ever have a winning streak like this over you.

So go ahead, continue to brag about your win over a less than decent 7-5 team.

Just be sure not to lose to one of those 1A schools..Now thatd! be classic

[Redneckn]

I'm not bragging about it. You just cant handle the loss. Yes, LV is ahead in the series. Congrats.

ECA fans get screwed by the refs every game every year. That is something we have gotten used to. We dont use it as an excuse for getting beat though.

So now you admit that your Longview team that year sucked? I'm glad to see you can admit that and not try to blame on the refs.

I think you need to hope that LV doesnt lose to a 1A team. that would be classic.


Again though. I'm not bragging about it. You just seem to have a problem with your sucky little longview team getting beat that year. And I just wanted you to admit, which you did, that the team sucked. Not that the refs gave anything away.


a less than decent 7-5 team that frankly sucked.
Why didnt you just say so in the first place?


Cant we all just get along now?

[LoboFan07]

ECA fans get screwed by the refs every game every year. That is something we have gotten used to. We dont use it as an excuse for getting beat though.

I think you need to hope that LV doesnt lose to a 1A team. that would be classic.

Again though. I'm not bragging about it. You just seem to have a problem with your sucky little longview team getting beat that year. And I just wanted you to admit, which you did, that the team sucked. Not that the refs gave anything away.

Funny. ECA Fans get screwed right. I just find it funny that we've had more penalty yards than ECA in EVERY SINGLE GAME that we've played againist each other yet you guys are the ones that always get screwed in the game right?

Yea considering Longview doesnt even play 1A teams. I believe the last year we played a 1A team was in the 1938 season. Yet you guys are in a 1A district this year. Be hilarious to see that "great, almighty we're gonna blow every 1A team out of the water" Evangel beaten by a 1A team. Hilarious. GO CALVARY!

And yes, our team was not as good as our 02, 03, 04, and 05 teams. That 98, 99, 00, and 01 years were the worst since 1961-1965. And considering that, since you were just the greatest team in the Nation that year :rolleyes: Why didnt you guys beat us by more? That should be the real question.

[Redneckn]

You make me laugh out loud.
I never once said the ECA fans get screwed. It the team. If a ref throws a yellow flag at me, I'm gonna throw a tattood fist at him. seems fair right? haha.

Yes. Go CALVARY. I like Johnny Booty. He is on person that I know I can talk to about anything anytime. I think I may have him pastor my wedding. Real nice guy. Whatever went on with him and Duron is not my business. I know my name didnt come up. So, we're all kool. In fact, shortly before I came over here to Austin, I was at the Bootys visiting.

ECA never said they would blow every 1a team out of the water. The 1A teams and newspapers said that. I mean, it is true though. You are correct that it would be kind of funny.

Now. Can we be friends again?

[Redneckn]

I wish you'd hurry and get back to me on the friends thing. I have to leave work in 10 mins and then it will be later tonite before i get back online.

[LoboFan07]

Ok Ok we can be "friends" until the Evangel/Springdale game then Im cheerin for them then again until our game then again until the Calvary game :)

[bleedgreen]

OK--here we go.......first off, pack0808-----you know me well enough by now that i was merely joking with that "2002, 2003, 2004" comment...of course i don't think you guys would have lost....we handed ECA their "holier than thou" ***** and you guys handed it to ours---that would be crazy for me to even think that--c'mon......................secondly, Redneckin, the comment that you made about ALL Longview fans was totally inappropriate!! that is pretty much "sticks and stones" type of b******t!! we cry?? brother, you better turn and look in the mirror on that comment.....have you ever visited "Rodsevangelwebsite.com"??? if you haven't, then you are definitely not an ECA fan. those idiots complain, cry, and denounce us everytime that we have played ECA--always some sort of excuse. never heard so many WILD excuses about why ECA lost those games--those people are sick!! and hiding behind the Bible, at that(which will come back and bite them in their *****!).....i guess us "Longview people" could make the same claim about ECA, huh?? all of your losses since 2002 are probably because ECA sucks--no excuses, right(just going by what you said about us)?? i've let that 2001 game go, but i did make some comments about it several days ago, and then dropped it...when you call out Longview people, be a little more specific..hate to write this post, but damn, can't stand by and be called losers or whiners.................the Lufkin people know where i stand on that streak of theirs, too....i don't bring it up because we don't have an argument that even holds water when it comes to Lufkin--not yet, at least.......to the other Lobo faithful on this site, please let the Lufkin deal go----we've lost NINE times in a row--what is there to discuss??????? and please don't make fun of them losing to SLC....hell, i wish i could have been in the stands as a Lobo losing to SLC---that means at least we would have been there....we were sitting at home licking our wounds while Lufkin was playing the #1 team in Texas and in the nation--that's an honor, win or lose.....................and last but not least, Scooter....man, i've tried to get along with you so many times, but i think i'm about to end that........your little comments about Longview over the past couple of years, your "haha's" and your smart-a** remarks have really burned a hole in my stomach......you are a BANDWAGON LUFKIN FAN----don't give a crap if you lived there or not....you support PAM(who sucks, in my opinion)and they get drilled by Lufkin everytime--right?? what leg do you have to stand on, Lonny Jr......no, i'm sorry Lonny----at least Lonny sticks by Judson and ONLY Judson...man, your so wishy-washy, you don't know what side of the fence to straddle!.....you can talk a good game for Lufkin, but you support PAM(like i said earlier)....the Lufkin fans(the real ones)don't need your help.......yea, Lufkin has our number--i admit it....but, what would PAM do against us??....i'll tell you---not a damn thing!! we would whip your a**** for you just like a red-headed step child.....you know it, i know it, and so does everyone else! think on that for a while.........and, if you want to show up to the football game that we are trying to get together, play on the other team.....just don't come across the middle or i will change your mind about Longview people--i can guarantee that..........to all posters on this site-----i apologize, i haven't vented like this in about 2 years on this site, but, something had to be said(just as everyone else would have if "pop-shots" were being thrown at their respective teams).............sorry, KT---this just my honest opinion on this subject...i'm through with it now............................................... ...wide--i'm with you, i think i'll open up a cold one--LOL.............................

[Redneckn]

BleedGreen.
Who is PAM? What has lonny got to do with any of this? There is no Rodsevangel website anymore. Rod ran off to Calvary or something.

I said cant we all just get along? what more do you want?

Was the "come across the field" thing just for scooter or can anybody do that? I kind of like that kind of thing and will come across the field and smile at you and stuff.

[LoboFan07]

PAM is Port Arthur Memorial

BTW Bleedgreen, RodsEvangelWebsite is no more. Rod moved over to Calvary at the beginning of last season. *gives thumbs up to Rod* Ive heard some pretty bad things about why he moved but we wont go into that.

[bleedgreen]

Redneckin---surely somebody who has attended ECA can follow that easy post of mine?? i believe i wrote simple enough and didn't use any BIG words that might confuse people........Lonny has nothing to do with that post. people on this site(and me a time or two)have accused Lonny of being a "bandwagon" Judson fan because he is not originally from Converse....i used that as a simile(uh, oh---there's a BIG word) to compare Scooter's type of bandwaggoning(uh, oh--another BIG word, i know someone is confused by now--LOL)that he does for Lufkin(and i again apologize Lonny, at least you do know about football, not just about making snide, little remarks)...sure, we can all get along just as long as you don't call ALL Longview people losers and whiners.....one thing that i am not is a loser..second thing, i don't cry or whine, i usually make other people do that ;) and as for the game, yea, that comment was for Scooter, but hell, it's for you too, brother if you like.....one thing though, i doubt you will coming through the middle with "smiles and giggles".....well, you may come through like that, but you damn sure won't be leaving like that--LOL ;) yea man, i'm cool....just had to vent awhile......so, how about those Longhorns???....PS--PAM is Port Authur Memorial--Scooter's favorite team when they are winning. when they are getting the crap kicked out of them, he turns into a Lufkin Panther..................................

[Redneckn]

BleedGreen.
I'm glad you're ok now. I was starting to think you weren't too nice of a person and all.
In all honesty, today we were slow (very slow) at work and I was bored. So I figured I would spend some time getting under some LV skin. We got a pretty good laugh about it all at work.

Really though, I will come over to the LV all smiles and giggles and leave that same way. I really do get a kick out of that kind of thing.
And yes, I have been a relative smart@$$ since I was a kid. It has gotten worse since i've been older.
It's all in good fun. Mainly because I don't have kids playing high school ball. I just enjoy watching it. Kids mean it more when they play. Most of them are just out there for pride. They know they are never going to make it into the NFL and make money doing it.


I guess I was a little out of line about Longview fans. It isnt all of them. Just most of them. I guess if the shoe fits, wear it.

Thanks for the PAM info. I really didnt know what that was.

I..uh.. haha.. nevermind.


About Lonny. I had no idea he was a Lufkin fan as well. Does he root for SLC any?

[lonny23]

Since Evangel came up again, I have a few thoughts. I'll preface this by saying that I've attended Assembly of God churches most of my life and Evangel is an A/G church and school, so this has nothing to do with bias against a certain religion. The school has made some questionable decisions in regards to Booty's dad getting canned, but you can't expect the players or fans to be saints. Some people go there because of the football and not all of them will adhere to the school's values. Because the team is good, they will also have fans that don't follow the values, either. West Monroe hates it when the fans talk trash and cuss, too. Some kids go to Christian schools because their parents want them to change, while others have to go because they got kicked out of a public school.

I was at the game last year and playing in Independence Stadium is not any better for refs. I knew Longview would get the wrong end of the deal playing across the border. The difference is the Lobos won last year.

[LoboFan07]

The refs werent that bad last year IMO.

03 and 01 were just horrible. Im still surprised that ECA is coming over here again. I was thinking that we would always stay at Indy.

[bleedgreen]

amen, lonny-----------Redneckin---i didn't call you a smart "a", brother...and Lonny doesn't pull for Lufkin, he is a Judson freak--LOL.....i think you got a little confused by my post.....next time, i will write with my "Big Chief" pencil and pad so you can understand it a little better--LOL.....hey, i'm all up for joking around a little on this site, as well.....nothing wrong with that. other people can tell you that i "rattle cages" from time to time myself--makes it interesting...but, i don't call names until somebody else does.........i'm still a nice guy, though--LOL.............

[c-lisle]

Post by Bleedgreen - "Scooter....man, i've tried to get along with you so many times, but i think i'm about to end that........your little comments about Longview over the past couple of years, your "haha's" and your smart-a** remarks have really burned a hole in my stomach......you are a BANDWAGON LUFKIN FAN----don't give a crap if you lived there or not....you support PAM(who sucks, in my opinion)and they get drilled by Lufkin everytime--right?? what leg do you have to stand on,"

Now that is funny! *rolling on ground laughing*

[lonny23]

BleedGreen.
I'm glad you're ok now. I was starting to think you weren't too nice of a person and all.
In all honesty, today we were slow (very slow) at work and I was bored. So I figured I would spend some time getting under some LV skin. We got a pretty good laugh about it all at work.

Really though, I will come over to the LV all smiles and giggles and leave that same way. I really do get a kick out of that kind of thing.
And yes, I have been a relative smart@$$ since I was a kid. It has gotten worse since i've been older.
It's all in good fun. Mainly because I don't have kids playing high school ball. I just enjoy watching it. Kids mean it more when they play. Most of them are just out there for pride. They know they are never going to make it into the NFL and make money doing it.


I guess I was a little out of line about Longview fans. It isnt all of them. Just most of them. I guess if the shoe fits, wear it.

Thanks for the PAM info. I really didnt know what that was.

I..uh.. haha.. nevermind.


About Lonny. I had no idea he was a Lufkin fan as well. Does he root for SLC any?
Bleed is just grouchy. He flies off the handle and then cools off! :p I have no idea how many times I made him mad last year.

I'm not a Lufkin or SLC fan. You'd have to go way down the list of teams I'd root for either of those guys to beat in a game.

Bleed was talking about Scooter and Lufkin. Scooter is from Port Arthur, but he used to hang out in Greater Houston, I mean Lufkin, during the summer. I was all over Southeast Texas in the last few days and there is a lot of trees between Lufkin and the Houston metro area sprawl.

I get called a bandwagon Judson fan, but I have to root for somebody and have never stayed in one place for very long. I start liking teams where I live, but in Judson's case, I followed them before I ever lived in SA. I've lived in:

Jay, FL 71-74 (I'll root for a Panhandle team and close to Pensacola)

Brewton, AL 74-77 (I can't remember the school that's real good)

Broken Arrow, OK 77-78 (I'll take Tulsa over Oklahoma City)

Longview, TX 78-82 (I still like the Lobos and the schools close to Longview)

Metairie/New Orleans, LA 82-85 (John Curtis the minute I moved there)

Pittsburg, TX 85-86 (9th grade, my favorite 3A school)

Mt. Pleasant, TX 86-91 (Finish school and college, my 4A team)

Anchorage, AK 91-94 (East H.S. with Trajan Langdon playing basketball)

Dover, DE 94-97 (Caesar Rodney H.S.)

Pusan, South Korea 97-01 (Camp Hialeah and Osan teams)

Converse, TX 01-05 (Judson in 5A, but Randolph in 2A)

Wichita Falls, TX 05-? (Windthorst in 1A and don't know about other classes yet)

[LoboFan07]

Holy moly...you move to much LOL

Too many different teams to keep up with in HS Football for sure IMO.

[lonny23]

Holy moly...you move to much LOL

Too many different teams to keep up with in HS Football for sure IMO.
I have to be a casual fan with most of them. I went to Longview and some Hawkins games as a kid, but haven't been to too many since I moved away. I've never gone back for John Curtis games, but I check to see if they're winning. I don't check up on the Alaska, Korea and Delaware teams. I stopped going to Pittsburg games when I moved to Mt. Pleasant. Before I moved to Converse, I'd check out Mt. Pleasant when I was in Longview.

There will always be a soft spot in my heart for the teams I mentioned and a few others like Pampa and Hawkins, but the one I really follow is Judson. I always check Mt. Pleasant's boxscores after the games.

Now that I've moved, I can't watch Judson every week, but since I still have to go to SA so much, I'm still going to see them quite a bit. I like the football programs around here and they have good success every year. I'm going to go to some more 6-man games, too.

[bleedgreen]

Lonny--were you living in Longview when Longview lost to Permian on that freakish, long, last second field goal..i believe it was 1975....either for the state title or it was the semis--can't remember.......just remember those boys getting off of that airplane at Gregg County airport--my dad carried my brother and i to welcome them back.....i recall everyone crying alot, especially the players.....was it a 63 or 65 yard field goal that beat us?? do you remember????

[wide-e-wide]

Lonny--were you living in Longview when Longview lost to Permian on that freakish, long, last second field goal..i believe it was 1975....either for the state title or it was the semis--can't remember.......just remember those boys getting off of that airplane at Gregg County airport--my dad carried my brother and i to welcome them back.....i recall everyone crying alot, especially the players.....was it a 63 or 65 yard field goal that beat us?? do you remember????

Good Lord....65 yard field goal?????
I didn't know Jason Elam played for Permian...that would suck.

[bleedgreen]

they say that a "freakish", swirling wind got underneath the ball and pushed it over the crossbar......alot of people said that it was the "Mojo" magic--LOL...i say BS..............

[wide-e-wide]

I say check dude's shoe....he had some lead in his foot.
65 yarder?...c'mon bra....that's classic.
If I kicked a 65 yarder to win the state championship...I would STILL
be braggin' about it. I would never have to buy a beer in Lufkin for life.
As soon as I started to....people would swarm me and say "Aren't you?"
and I would say "That's right baby....LeadFoot Wideman....and I take Miller Lite"....hahahahhaha

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

OK--here we go.......first off, pack0808-----you know me well enough by now that i was merely joking with that "2002, 2003, 2004" comment...of course i don't think you guys would have lost....we handed ECA their "holier than thou" ***** and you guys handed it to ours---that would be crazy for me to even think that--c'mon......................secondly, Redneckin, the comment that you made about ALL Longview fans was totally inappropriate!! that is pretty much "sticks and stones" type of b******t!! we cry?? brother, you better turn and look in the mirror on that comment.....have you ever visited "Rodsevangelwebsite.com"??? if you haven't, then you are definitely not an ECA fan. those idiots complain, cry, and denounce us everytime that we have played ECA--always some sort of excuse. never heard so many WILD excuses about why ECA lost those games--those people are sick!! and hiding behind the Bible, at that(which will come back and bite them in their *****!).....i guess us "Longview people" could make the same claim about ECA, huh?? all of your losses since 2002 are probably because ECA sucks--no excuses, right(just going by what you said about us)?? i've let that 2001 game go, but i did make some comments about it several days ago, and then dropped it...when you call out Longview people, be a little more specific..hate to write this post, but damn, can't stand by and be called losers or whiners.................the Lufkin people know where i stand on that streak of theirs, too....i don't bring it up because we don't have an argument that even holds water when it comes to Lufkin--not yet, at least.......to the other Lobo faithful on this site, please let the Lufkin deal go----we've lost NINE times in a row--what is there to discuss??????? and please don't make fun of them losing to SLC....hell, i wish i could have been in the stands as a Lobo losing to SLC---that means at least we would have been there....we were sitting at home licking our wounds while Lufkin was playing the #1 team in Texas and in the nation--that's an honor, win or lose.....................and last but not least, Scooter....man, i've tried to get along with you so many times, but i think i'm about to end that........your little comments about Longview over the past couple of years, your "haha's" and your smart-a** remarks have really burned a hole in my stomach......you are a BANDWAGON LUFKIN FAN----don't give a crap if you lived there or not....you support PAM(who sucks, in my opinion)and they get drilled by Lufkin everytime--right?? what leg do you have to stand on, Lonny Jr......no, i'm sorry Lonny----at least Lonny sticks by Judson and ONLY Judson...man, your so wishy-washy, you don't know what side of the fence to straddle!.....you can talk a good game for Lufkin, but you support PAM(like i said earlier)....the Lufkin fans(the real ones)don't need your help.......yea, Lufkin has our number--i admit it....but, what would PAM do against us??....i'll tell you---not a damn thing!! we would whip your a**** for you just like a red-headed step child.....you know it, i know it, and so does everyone else! think on that for a while.........and, if you want to show up to the football game that we are trying to get together, play on the other team.....just don't come across the middle or i will change your mind about Longview people--i can guarantee that..........to all posters on this site-----i apologize, i haven't vented like this in about 2 years on this site, but, something had to be said(just as everyone else would have if "pop-shots" were being thrown at their respective teams).............sorry, KT---this just my honest opinion on this subject...i'm through with it now............................................... ...wide--i'm with you, i think i'll open up a cold one--LOL.............................LOL, that post was funny. I already posted about this subject last year. not my fault you didn't read it. :D

[pack0808]

Evangel does not come close to fitting the mold of a 1A team being a private school. If it was a public school that was 1a it would be a completley different story. Some small private school's like Evangel find ways to have 5a Texas type talent. Besides, Evangel has proven over and over they are the best in Lousiana almost every single year.

[Bootsdaddy]

Yeah Lufkin had a great comeback vs Evangel and almost tied it in the 4th??? I think it was 19-16. Evangel then scored 2 td's at the end. The last one was ridiculous!! :( The game was over with Lufkin trailing 26-16 with only seconds left and Evangel had the ball in the red zone area. Instead of going to their knee and showing respect they threw to the endzone 3 times and scored a td on the final attempt with basically no seconds on the clock. That really pissed me off and that is when i lost a little respect for Evangel. That is why i love it when Longview beats them and i hope they do it again this year. Lufkin was actually the higher ranked team nationally in most polls then Evangel was going into that game. Many forget that!!

First and only time ive ever booed high school kids! Evangel took possession leading 26-17 with about 2 mins to go and went into their "2-minute drill" scoring with seconds left in the game. They passed on every down despite leading by 9 with less than 2 minutes left.

[Redneckn]

I dont see the difference between scoring again with 2 mins left in game or going in at half up by 40+. I mean really. This taking a knee and stuff is kinda dumb. If ECA had taken a knee, then Lufkin would have not had any chances to get the ball back and scrore. So really, we were doing you a favor. haha..

Really though. I am one of the few that thinks both sides of the ball need to play right up until the clock runs out. I know when I have been on the losing side and it was less than 2 and the other (winning) team starting taking a knee or what have you, I have always felt cheated. Like they didnt give out guys a complete fair shake at scoring again.

Thats just me though I guess.

[LoboFan07]

Mainly its just our of respect.

Like the SMU/Texas Tech game this past year. SMU almost beat them (yay for my Mustangs) but Tech was up 27-13 with seconds to go. And Tech tried to throw it into the endzone. They were taking timeouts with the game already over. But SMU stopped them luckily. Thats when the fight broke out. Freakin Tech fans throwing Dr.Pepper on me.

[pack0808]

I dont see the difference between scoring again with 2 mins left in game or going in at half up by 40+. I mean really. This taking a knee and stuff is kinda dumb. If ECA had taken a knee, then Lufkin would have not had any chances to get the ball back and scrore. So really, we were doing you a favor. haha..

Really though. I am one of the few that thinks both sides of the ball need to play right up until the clock runs out. I know when I have been on the losing side and it was less than 2 and the other (winning) team starting taking a knee or what have you, I have always felt cheated. Like they didnt give out guys a complete fair shake at scoring again.

Thats just me though I guess.

NO NO Redneckn, the drive might have started with 2 minutes but they scored their td with just seconds left on a pass to the endzone being up by 9 and Lp had no timeouts. You tell me the point of that?? If they were up 40 plus at half so what?? That is part of football. I am talking with seconds left with the game already decided and the other team cant stop the clock. Outlaw ALWAYS has his team go to a knee out of respect when the game is over and time is about to run out and the other team has no timeouts. It is simply called respect. That is why i have enjoyed Longview beating up on Evangel lately.

[Redneckn]

I'm just stating my own thoughts and opinions. I said that I dont see the problem with it.

I figure if the clock is running, the teams need to be playing. no matter what. But again, that is just my own opinion.

People can always find one more reason to hate on ECA. I think its a little silly myself. I mean, I think it disrespectful for a team to sit and hard on beating another team 3 years in a row. but you dont really hear me complaining do you? Ok. I dont personally find it a problem. but some people do. Respect is such and easy thing to step on it seems.

[pack0808]

I just know Outlaw always goes to a knee with seconds left with the game already decided and i know the vast majority of coaches do it also. So i am just asking you this?? Say your team is down 21-7 with about 30 seconds left and your team had no timeouts at all!! then, the other team threw to the endzone three times in a row scoring with about 2 seconds left to make it 28-7. That would not piss you off a little?? What is the point of that?? Almost anybody i know would be very upset and would feel a little disrespected. I mean that game was 4 years ago and i am well over it, not to mention both Lufkin and Evangel have went in different directions since that game in my opinion. It will still always hold that against them and i bet the coaches and players do also. I had nothing but respect for Evangel until the end of that game.

[Hornified64]

Lonny--were you living in Longview when Longview lost to Permian on that freakish, long, last second field goal..i believe it was 1975....either for the state title or it was the semis--can't remember.......just remember those boys getting off of that airplane at Gregg County airport--my dad carried my brother and i to welcome them back.....i recall everyone crying alot, especially the players.....was it a 63 or 65 yard field goal that beat us?? do you remember????


bleedgreen.....


Not to answer for lonny BUT the 1975 game that you're referring to
was the State Semi-Final game that season.

Back when only ONE team made the playoffs from each district.

Anyway....Permian won the game 10-9.

Yes....Permian kicker Russell Wheatley booted a 63yd FG BUT it was
in the 1st half and he had a pretty strong wind at his back....as the
game was played at Jones Stadium in Lubbock.

Longview actually lost this game due to a MISSED extra point and at
least 2 huge turnovers.

Back in those days if games ended in a TIE then teams advanced
by starting with "penetrations"....getting inside the opponents 20yd
line.

Longview had a 4-2 advantage in that category but the missed
extra point kept them from gaining the tie and Permian advanced.

Since I did not see a response I figured I'd chime in....I was there
afterall.

[LoboFan07]

This is correct. The FG were the first points of the game.

Had we made the extra point, we would've been in the State Championship game.

[Redneckn]

Pack. I'm not saying it wouldnt irritate me. But I just see it as part of the game that's all.
Again, it's just my own opinion.

[bleedgreen]

thanks hornified and lobo07.........63 yards?? man, what a kick!

[bleedgreen]

i don't think we all "hate" ECA, Redneck-----if i recall, you are the only ECA fan that has come on this board(at least since i've been here for 3 years)....we have all heard so many rumors and tales about the program at ECA that now we have someone to ask about these issues......i'm sure that you get tired of answering the same old crap all the time............

[Redneckn]

Am I really? Now I feel all special and stuff. haha..

The rumors were all kinda funny for first few years. Then it just got old. Then people really started to think that crap was fact even though nobody has ever provided one shred of proof. I will be an ECA fan no matter what. But if someone ever proved anything to me, I would be really ticked about it.
I would call uncle Denny ask him WTF?

I dont mind questions, rants, and being abused. I kind of like it. haha..
Really though. I guess I can see y'all end of it though. If you just dont know you just dont know. :)

[Bootsdaddy]

Pack. I'm not saying it wouldnt irritate me. But I just see it as part of the game that's all.
Again, it's just my own opinion.

Its not really that big of a deal but they could have run the ball. I just couldnt really figure out why they were trying to run up the score unless they were worried about the polls. I know early in that game the Pack had at least one and maybe more personal fouls called on them for late hits. Maybe that had something to do with it.

[Redneckn]

I honestly couldnt tell you why they did that.. That was one of the few games i have missed. I'm trying to remember back what my lame excuse for that was and i dont know.
If it was 2001 i know why i wasnt there. I didnt catch many games that year. Baby and I had a tiff and we parted ways. I wasnt dealing with it so well. If it was before that.. Who knows..But I know every game I've missed there has been a lame excuse to go with it.

[Bootsdaddy]

I honestly couldnt tell you why they did that.. That was one of the few games i have missed. I'm trying to remember back what my lame excuse for that was and i dont know.
If it was 2001 i know why i wasnt there. I didnt catch many games that year. Baby and I had a tiff and we parted ways. I wasnt dealing with it so well. If it was before that.. Who knows..But I know every game I've missed there has been a lame excuse to go with it.


Yep-definitely 2001. Reggie McNeal's senior year, Lufkin's only state championship in football, and Lufkin's only loss that year.

[lonny23]

I'm going with Judson. They play 3 teams in the Top 25 and are in the toughest district in the state. I don't give a rip about any of the teams playing out of state opponents. For the most part, that's like playing 3A or 4A in Texas. You know if Evangel and West Monroe were that great, they'd beat Longview ever now and then. Non-Texas teams are overrated in the national polls because they look good on paper winning state titles without much effort. As much as I'd like to see Tyler Lee lose games, I hope all the Texas teams beat the guys out of state.
That bunch called Judson will finish the year with the toughest schedule by opponent's records and opponent's ratings.