where will judson end ?

[helixfynest23]

Where will judson end up at the end of the season and who will be some key players to take them deep into the playoffs this year ? :D

[dragons08]

anybody but lonny could answer, we all know what he'll say

[Reaganrattler07]

I'm kinda interested in knowing how Wagner is gonna ultimately affect Judson....I know nothing this year, but what about next year and years after?

[DiamondJ2]

Judson will be fine for the next 3 years, then the split may have an effect on the Rockets, but don't look for too much of a change in Judson's winning ways. Wagner will be a playoff contender within 3-4 years because of coaching staff and players (if the players buy into the success of the Judson system since most of the staff is from Judson). The athletic talent will eventually be at Wagner. Both schools will continue to increase in population because of all the subdivisions being built throughout the district.

Next year, Judson's enrollment will be 3200 and Wagner 2000. Look for both schools to increase that enrollment by 500 students within 3-5 years with Wagner possibly exceeding that growth rate. With more houses being built along Evans Road and near Retama look for a 3rd high school within the next 10 years.

[SLC13]

anybody but lonny could answer, we all know what he'll say

Ditto for the Texas Hammer........

[pack0808]

poor judson, they are going to go from almost 5,000 students to 3,500. can you imagine the outcry if they went to 2,200 like lufkin usually is?? ;)

[RGVBadBoy]

IMO, i think Judson is gonna be even BETTER than they were this past season, i think Judson has a GREAT shot at making the State Finals and maybe even win....Judson is pretty loaded this season and has LOTS and LOTS of speed

[DiamondJ2]

The Rockets don't need you miniscule pity, pack. Judson never had 5000 and next year it will be 3200. As a real student of Texas football, you know that size doesn't guarantee a state championship every year. If that was the case, then the Alief schools, Dallas Kimball, Odessa, the 3 Plano schools, The Woodlands, Houston Memorial, Victoria Memorial, La Joya would have many state titles under their belts. BTW, when Judson won their 1st 5 titles, they were not ranked in Texas' top ten schools in enrollment.

Over the last 22 years, I would venture the following statistic:
Lufkin had twice if not three times the number of players sign with NCAA Division I schools than Judson and probably had more players play college football than Judson. Lufkin has traditionally played outstanding football Recently, they have been a pleasure to watch. Lots of speed and talent, and they like Judson play in a difficult distrct.

[lonny23]

This is in no way a guarantee, so here are my predictions:

15-0 and undefeated for the first time EVER.
D1 State Champ and the true state champ.
Victorious over the D2 state champ Smithson Valley.
#3 in the final AP and 5A Texas Football Ratings polls.
#1 in the final Texas Football Ratings and State Farm/Texas Football polls.
#1 in the final Calpreps national power poll.
#5 in the rest of the national polls.

The defense will be great and the offense will put points on the board. This will be a GREAT season.

[pack0808]

The Rockets don't need you miniscule pity, pack. Judson never had 5000 and next year it will be 3200. As a real student of Texas football, you know that size doesn't guarantee a state championship every year. If that was the case, then the Alief schools, Dallas Kimball, Odessa, the 3 Plano schools, The Woodlands, Houston Memorial, Victoria Memorial, La Joya would have many state titles under their belts. BTW, when Judson won their 1st 5 titles, they were not ranked in Texas' top ten schools in enrollment.

Over the last 22 years, I would venture the following statistic:
Lufkin had twice if not three times the number of players sign with NCAA Division I schools than Judson and probably had more players play college football than Judson. Lufkin has traditionally played outstanding football Recently, they have been a pleasure to watch. Lots of speed and talent, and they like Judson play in a difficult distrct.


i said close to 5,000 so get that clear!! i was jusk j/k and i know size does not guarantee wins but so you are saying that having 2,000 more students does not have any advantages?? :rolleyes: i could only imagine if lufkin had 4,800 students?? :eek: if it did not matter then we should combine 2a with 5a asap. ;) look, i know many teams have stunk with 4,000 plus enrollment and the coaches should be immediately fired. lol i have nothing but respect for judson but even the smartest hs fan knows that a bigger enrollment has some advantages if the coach or athletic director has any type of clue. i agree once you get into 5a the numbers do not matter as much and i am not taking anything away from judson i was just trying to get a rise from one of you aka lonny and it did not work. lol judson is the best 5a team in history. lufkin was close to being on that type of level but slc moved into 5a at the right time. if time could change without slc, lufkin could have 3 championships in 4 years. would of could of should of. in fact, the only difference in sv making it to the finals 2 of the last 3 years is that they did not have to face slc until the finals. :cool: oh, and lufkin does not play in a difficult district anymore in my opinion. that ended in 2003 when the east texas district broke up. 145a is not bad but it is not that difficult either.

[lonny23]

i said close to 5,000 so get that clear!! i was jusk j/k and i know size does not guarantee wins but so you are saying that having 2,000 more students does not have any advantages?? :rolleyes: i could only imagine if lufkin had 4,800 students?? :eek: if it did not matter then we should combine 2a with 5a asap. ;) look, i know many teams have stunk with 4,000 plus enrollment and the coaches should be immediately fired. lol i have nothing but respect for judson but even the smartest hs fan knows that a bigger enrollment has some advantages if the coach or athletic director has any type of clue. i agree once you get into 5a the numbers do not matter as much and i am not taking anything away from judson i was just trying to get a rise from one of you aka lonny and it did not work. lol judson is the best 5a team in history. lufkin was close to being on that type of level but slc moved into 5a at the right time. if times could have changed lufkin could have 3 championships in 4 years. would of could of should of. in fact, the only difference in sv making it to the finals 2 of the last 3 years is that they did not have to face slc until the finals. :cool: oh, and lufkin does not play in a difficult district anymore in my opinion. that ended in 2003 when the east texas district broke up. 145a is not bad but it is not that difficult either.
Enrollment can be an advantage, but it doesn't always help Judson. 5000 kids never can get tall players or the best basketball players to suit up for Mike Wacker in basketball. I don't care if they win 20 something games every year, I know they underachieve and bigger players can be found sitting in the stands and walking around campus. Wacker plays favorites and has a boring style. The 5000 do give the football team depth and lets everybody play 1 way.

[diamondj9]

I Think The Mighty Rockets Will Play Again For Div.1 State Title.
Duncanville Vs Converse Judson [pay Back Time]
I Also Think Harp Will Have Major Impact !

[DiamondJ2]

Enrollment can be an advantage, but it doesn't always help Judson. 5000 kids never can get tall players or the best basketball players to suit up for Mike Wacker in basketball. I don't care if they win 20 something games every year, I know they underachieve and bigger players can be found sitting in the stands and walking around campus. Wacker plays favorites and has a boring style. The 5000 do give the football team depth and lets everybody play 1 way.

I assure you, Lonny, the lack of tall players on Judson's basketball teams is very simple: they are not in the Judson student population. The tallest kid walking the halls and not playing is maybe 6'4" and one kid last year was 6'7", but he was in the very special needs program. The last kid that Judson had over 6'6" was in 1995. They are simply not present. In fact, I challenge you to check all of San Antonio's schools over the last 10 years to find how many players were over 6'7". You can count them on two hands. In the 80's & early 90's, tall players were abundant. Maybe SA is just going through a cycle or it could be the make up of the general population.

As for Wacker's boring style, well, somtimes, yes. The last couple of years they have played outstanding defense, because the players just could not shoot--period. But that is the problem throughout the whole nation, college & pros included. Lack of fundamentals and the desire to just work on shooting the ball, instead of standing on the perimeter, dribbling between the legs for 20 seconds then driving to the basket to throw it up & pray that the ball drops in. Nowdays, if you shoot 45%, you are classified as a good shooter (just ask Iverson who scores a bunch, but makes only 38% of his FG's. Stevie Wonder could average 30 ppg if he shot that much).

There have been excellent players on the football team that chose (!?!) not to play basketball, too. Of course, you know why many of those athletes do not participate in basketball. If you think Wacker's style is boring check out a Marshall, MacArthur, Reagan, Holmes, Taft, Churchill game.

[DiamondJ2]

Ok, pack, understand. Judson just gets tired of enrollment argument when others who were larger did not produce the way Judson has in the past. Sorry about the district: forgot they (UIL) altered the districts in east Texas.

[TexasRed6x]

I think they will be 8-2 after the 10 game season, with loses to CC and Madison. I think they will get back to the semi's and lose to GP Northshore. NNow if they find a good running quarterback and replace Fox with a back that can get at least 1700 yards then thay could go all the way. If I remember thay have 3 lineman back and two of the 3 weigh over 300 pounds and both started every gamne for them last year. I would also say they need to have a great LB and they Must , Must , Must pass for at least 1200 yards by game 11. I think they will come short on most of those issues and they finish 11-3

[FootballJunkie]

Converse has a good team and should make the playoffs. They did lose their stud running back and they have a date on the road with a very good Copperas Cove team that outgained them in every catagory last year but gave up some big plays that cost them the game so going undefeated is by no means guranteed.

[Mad Hatter]

I think they will be 8-2 after the 10 game season, with loses to CC and Madison. I think they will get back to the semi's and lose to GP Northshore. NNow if they find a good running quarterback and replace Fox with a back that can get at least 1700 yards then thay could go all the way. If I remember thay have 3 lineman back and two of the 3 weigh over 300 pounds and both started every gamne for them last year. I would also say they need to have a great LB and they Must , Must , Must pass for at least 1200 yards by game 11. I think they will come short on most of those issues and they finish 11-3

Madison? u guys had a better team last year then u do this year. Im worried about CC and SV not madison. ill give it to you that u have a good Qb & RB combo but u guys lack defense.

15-0 and undefeated for the first time EVER.
D1 State Champ and the true state champ.
Victorious over the D2 state champ Smithson Valley.
#3 in the final AP and 5A Texas Football Ratings polls.
#1 in the final Texas Football Ratings and State Farm/Texas Football polls.
#1 in the final Calpreps national power poll.
#5 in the rest of the national polls.

WOW....thats like way out there on a limb man we havent even scrimmed a game yet.

[RedRage00]

I'm kinda interested in knowing how Wagner is gonna ultimately affect Judson....I know nothing this year, but what about next year and years after?

Only time will tell....

RR

[dwistheman]

...anyone

[Mad Hatter]

i know they scrim marshall at farris i think its on the 19th...

[lonny23]

Madison? u guys had a better team last year then u do this year. Im worried about CC and SV not madison. ill give it to you that u have a good Qb & RB combo but u guys lack defense.



WOW....thats like way out there on a limb man we havent even scrimmed a game yet.
Hey, he asked what I thought they'd do this year! :D

I don't think Judson will be giving up many points this year. A good defensive coach in Rick Rhoades and Judson's defensive talent is going to give us a team that may give up less than 10 points a game. They gave up 13 last year.

Don't forget how good Judson was last year. They were 10th in points/game, 7th in defensive points/game, and 5th in margin of victory.

I would've liked for the Rockets to have a better passing game in 2004, so we're not losing anything in the passing dept. The Rockets have capable receivers, so the potential is there.

Kyle Fox won't be suiting up and there's no guarantee that the new guy will be good, but I'm betting the running game will be OK, but maybe not as good.

Judson has one of their better returning offensive lines. I think they have the potential to be one of the best Judson defensive teams.

Many people thought last year's Judson team was their best ever. This year just might be better. I won't know until they start playing.

[dwistheman]

Lonny,

I have tried looking up New Braunfels High's previous seasons to possibly get an idea of what kind of points Rhoads teams gave up in the past, but I cant find anything on the NBISD web site. Any suggestions?

[lonny23]

Lonny,

I have tried looking up New Braunfels High's previous seasons to possibly get an idea of what kind of points Rhoads teams gave up in the past, but I cant find anything on the NBISD web site. Any suggestions?
I looked earlier at 2004 and they weren't as good as some years. I'll go to Texas Football Ratings to get the numbers for recent years. In 2002, New Braunfels held almost everybody in the playoffs under 10 points before losing to Texas High for the title.

[lonny23]

Here is what New Braunfels has done on defense every year since 1998. I'll also post the links to the complete schedule for those years.

1998 in 5A 6-5, 220 PA, 20/game
1999 in 5A 6-5, 232 PA, 21/game
2000 8-5, 248 PA, 19/game
2001 8-4, 203 PA, 17/game
2002 12-3, 161 PA, 11/game
2003 8-4, 170 PA, 14/game
2004 6-5, 224 PA, 20/game

http://www.texasfootballratings.com/1998SchedWkly5ADist14.html
http://www.texasfootballratings.com/1999SchedWkly5ADist14.html
http://www.texasfootballratings.com/2000SchedWkly4ADist27.html
http://www.texasfootballratings.com/2001SchedWkly4ADist27.html
http://www.texasfootballratings.com/2002SchedWkly4ADist25.html
http://www.texasfootballratings.com/2003SchedWkly4ADist25.html
http://www.texasfootballratings.com/2004SchedWkly4ADist27.html

I didn't go to New Braunfels games, but they did make the playoffs every year since 1998 including the 2 years in 5A. I'm betting that Rhoades has better talent at Judson than he had at New Braunfels as the Head Coach.

[lonny23]

Here's what Judson has done since 1998 on defense:

1998-2000 with Rutledge and 2001-2004 with Rackley

1998 226 PA, 15/game
1999 161 PA, 16/game
2000 173 PA, 16/game
2001 240 PA, 20/game
2002 295 PA, 20/game
2003 265 PA, 27/game (That was the wrong 265!)
2004 177 PA, 13/game

I think Rhoades will take a lot of pressure off of Rackley.

[Mad Hatter]

i agree lonny i think that this year team is more promisisng...and that our defense will probably be better. I look forward to the season. I just wish kyle was coming back then id be saying we are gonna win state as well.

[lonny23]

i agree lonny i think that this year team is more promisisng...and that our defense will probably be better. I look forward to the season. I just wish kyle was coming back then id be saying we are gonna win state as well.
I think a lot of the preseason stuff is hype from the year before. Judson has unfinished business to take care of. If they'd gone 15-0 last year like they should've, they would've been Top 5 nationally last year and would go into this year as a Top 25 nationally and Top 5 in the state. Losing in the semis has made them a lot more anonymous.

[Slim-Rob]

This is in no way a guarantee, so here are my predictions:

15-0 and undefeated for the first time EVER.
D1 State Champ and the true state champ.
Victorious over the D2 state champ Smithson Valley.
#3 in the final AP and 5A Texas Football Ratings polls.
#1 in the final Texas Football Ratings and State Farm/Texas Football polls.
#1 in the final Calpreps national power poll.
#5 in the rest of the national polls.

The defense will be great and the offense will put points on the board. This will be a GREAT season.

Judson was 13-0-2 in '93. Thats undefeated isn't it. Whether it is or it isn't doesn't really matter. I agree with what your saying. .

[BandidoNB]

Rick Rhoades is a great coach; New Braunfels surely doesnt have the athletes that Judson will have, so looking at NB's past record isn't that good of an indication of how he will do in Judson. New Braunfels has made the playoffs every year since 1997 (97-99= 5A, 00-04= 4A).

[lonny23]

Rick Rhoades is a great coach; New Braunfels surely doesnt have the athletes that Judson will have, so looking at NB's past record isn't that good of an indication of how he will do in Judson. New Braunfels has made the playoffs every year since 1997 (97-99= 5A, 00-04= 4A).
I had a guy walk up to me in Cici's at the Forum and say Judson was getting a great coach. New Braunfels always plays in tough districts, too. I also like how they were a big 4A school. I'll take a defensive coach that can lead his team to a title game holding everybody to 7 points or less for 4 straight games!

Yes, Judson didn't get beat in 1993. It's very strange to me that Judson has never had a clean slate in 6 titles.

[dwistheman]

I hope Rhodes is as good as advertised and brings more consistant play to that side of the ball. I think since Coach Rutledge left the defense has been more up and down than usual and in some cases downright bad (2003).

I will not be suprised to see Judson lose one game during the regular season because of all the changes in the offense and coaching staff. If this is the case I would prefer it to be to Cove. It would be a bitter pill to swallow if we lose to SV and both teams go on and win state, like 95 when we lost to Roosevelt.

Thanks for the info Lonny!

[TR '97]

Yeah that's right, TR was the REAL Champion in 1995! ;)

Just had to get that in there Judson fans! I'm new to this board, but have sort of "lurked" around for a while. I'm kind of out of the loop for SA HS Football now that I'm a Houstonian. But from what I've read in DCTF it looks like the game of the year in SA will be when Judson and Smithson Valley matchup. I have a cousin who is an assistant coach at Churchill, so he keeps me informed.

Forgive me of my ignorance, but is this the first year of the four teams per district (2 in Div. 1 & 2 in Div. 2) qualifying for the 5A playoffs? Or will that start next year?

It sounds like Churchill and Madison should battle it out for third and fourth in 26-5A followed by Roosevelt maybe being a "sleeper" team this year. I guess Mac, Reagan, and Lee look to be the weaker teams this year. I'm going to be in town for Roosevelt's opener at East Central, but that may be the only game I get to watch them play this year. I'll be following my Longhorns all year the rest of the season.

When is the new school (Wagner) set to open up in Judson ISD? When would they begin fielding a varsity football squad? I also read here that NEISD will open a 7th HS in 2008 (Lady Bird Johnson HS). It'll be interesting to see how the UIL aligns the athletic districts in the SA area with these new schools. And I think the Schertz district is opening a second HS as well.

It should be another fun season to watch. It's nice to see Monday Night Football on right now... it was a long summer. But a good summer with the Spurs winning the NBA Title again, my Horns winning the CWS, and Lance (of course) winning his 7th Tour Title!

[lonny23]

Yeah that's right, TR was the REAL Champion in 1995! ;)

Just had to get that in there Judson fans! I'm new to this board, but have sort of "lurked" around for a while. I'm kind of out of the loop for SA HS Football now that I'm a Houstonian. But from what I've read in DCTF it looks like the game of the year in SA will be when Judson and Smithson Valley matchup. I have a cousin who is an assistant coach at Churchill, so he keeps me informed.

Forgive me of my ignorance, but is this the first year of the four teams per district (2 in Div. 1 & 2 in Div. 2) qualifying for the 5A playoffs? Or will that start next year?

It sounds like Churchill and Madison should battle it out for third and fourth in 26-5A followed by Roosevelt maybe being a "sleeper" team this year. I guess Mac, Reagan, and Lee look to be the weaker teams this year. I'm going to be in town for Roosevelt's opener at East Central, but that may be the only game I get to watch them play this year. I'll be following my Longhorns all year the rest of the season.

When is the new school (Wagner) set to open up in Judson ISD? When would they begin fielding a varsity football squad? I also read here that NEISD will open a 7th HS in 2008 (Lady Bird Johnson HS). It'll be interesting to see how the UIL aligns the athletic districts in the SA area with these new schools. And I think the Schertz district is opening a second HS as well.

It should be another fun season to watch. It's nice to see Monday Night Football on right now... it was a long summer. But a good summer with the Spurs winning the NBA Title again, my Horns winning the CWS, and Lance (of course) winning his 7th Tour Title!
I knew when I said the real title would be decided on the field that 1995 would come up! :D
Wagner opens this year and starts varsity football in 2006. They have no seniors.
Steele opens in Cibolo this year and Clemens will drop to 4A next year.
4 playoff teams start in 2006.

[DiamondJ2]

Speculation on alignment in two years is: if Sv remains 5A, then they will stay in with NEISD schools and Judson & Wagner will move to 25-5A along with SM, Seguin, EC, Highlands, Jefferson, NB and SW. Also, possible that NB would join NEISD schools if SV drops to 4A. Del Rio may head to Laredo or stay & make an eventual 10 team district in NISD.

[TR '97]

Let us have our '95, we may never get there again! Judson wins all the time.

If they put Judson & Wagner in 25-5A they will dominate. I didn't realize SV may drop back down to 4A. It was bizarre when TR was 4A for 2 years and played in the SAISD 4A district. I think the closest game in 2 years was a 35-14 win over Alamo Heights. It was hardly any competition at all, I still don't know why NEISD didn't even out the district so that all the NEISD schools would remain 5A. It didn't really matter I guess, Roosevelt still made the playoffs in their next two years back in 5A. As long as Hill is their coach, they should still be in the mix for the playoffs. Although I think he doesn't develop their passing game very well. All they do is run!

[Mad Hatter]

a 10 team district would be ridiculous...i see it being

Judson
Wagner
SW
SV
Seguin
Jefferson
East Central
Highlands

7 district game 3 non thats probably the new district. And if this happens Judson, SV and Wag will run the tables every year.

i would like this to be outr distict though

Clemens
Judson
Steele
Wagner
East Central
SV
NB
Seguin

[Bucky]

There are so many factors that go into a season. Without Fox, the running game will not be as good. The QB will be better, Elbel was a good guy but an aweful QB. He was probably the most nonathletic QB Judson has EVER had. I knew that if it came down to a game he had to win it was over for the Rockets. As for the Defense..it will be good. Untested LBs will certainly be a key for the defense. Harp will lead the defense and the Dline will be pretty salty. A lot of talk about Fox and no talk about Brandon Williams. Williams could have started at tailback for 99% or the schools in Texas and he was a heck or a strong safety. Hurd was a great cover corner and the combination of vogleman and bell will all be hard to replace. Dubose is a good corner but has a tendency to get burned. As for coaching. Rhodes will be a good coach but Gibbens is another DW Rutledge. Rackley is moving to offense so look for big changes especially in the tempo(remember 01 when rackley called the plays..no tempo) Time will tell...but I look for Wagner to rule the roost before too long.

[RedRage00]

Time will tell...but I look for Wagner to rule the roost before too long.

Then Lonny will jump on the Wagner bandwagon LOL

Good Luck to the Rockets this season. I plan to catch at least one Judson game!

[Mad Hatter]

hey i think wager will be a good school as well i plan on supporting both schools.

I think that judson running game will be solid as usual.

i think the linebackers will be better this year. both are bigger,faster,and stronger then the ones last year.

Secondary will be better. Dubose will do great he has a knack for the ball andi thought he was better then hurd. Hurd was much slower then dubose.

cant wat for saturday ill be there a 9.00 i think ima take a spiral and draw the plays they run.

[dwistheman]

Rhodes will be a good coach but Gibbens is another DW Rutledge. Rackley is moving to offense so look for big changes especially in the tempo(remember 01 when rackley called the plays..no tempo) Time will tell...but I look for Wagner to rule the roost before too long.


Gibbens is a good coach, but saying he is another D.W. Rutledge is a stretch. Judson's defense under Gibbens was much more inconsistant than it was during the Rutledge era. Overall I think the majority of changes(good or bad) will be seen on the offensive side of the ball. And I agree that for all the intangibles that Elbel provided he was extremely non athletic and a liability at times in the pocket.

[Mad Hatter]

Gibbens is a good coach, but saying he is another D.W. Rutledge is a stretch. Judson's defense under Gibbens was much more inconsistant than it was during the Rutledge era. Overall I think the majority of changes(good or bad) will be seen on the offensive side of the ball. And I agree that for all the intangibles that Elbel provided he was extremely non athletic and a liability at times in the pocket.

hell of a punter.

[SV05champs]

[QUOTE=Mad Hatter]Madison? u guys had a better team last year then u do this year. Im worried about CC and SV not madison. ill give it to you that u have a good Qb & RB combo but u guys lack defense.



Yea, what was the score when Madison met SV last year? I would be more worried about SV than Madison, and not just because I am a fan of SV...

[Mad Hatter]

u should be worried about as well there guy...we did beat u in ure own stadium.

[SV05champs]

Im not going over that again. Just about anyone with some talent could have beat SV during that period of time. New system, new kids, and our #1 WR knocked out early in the game. It threw them off, but as you saw the team was twice as good toward the end of the season. (how many points did Judson score even in the second half?) Next time read my post a little better. SV beat Madison BAD last year, all I said was that if I were Judson I would worry more about SV than Madison. Madison will not be as good this year as they were last year. I did not say SV would beat Judson. As for SV being worried, that is what makes them so good, they never overlook a team.


u should be worried about as well there guy...we did beat u in ure own stadium.

[Mad Hatter]

Im not going over that again. Just about anyone with some talent could have beat SV during that period of time. New system, new kids, and our #1 WR knocked out early in the game. It threw them off, but as you saw the team was twice as good toward the end of the season. (how many points did Judson score even in the second half?) Next time read my post a little better. SV beat Madison BAD last year, all I said was that if I were Judson I would worry more about SV than Madison. Madison will not be as good this year as they were last year. I did not say SV would beat Judson. As for SV being worried, that is what makes them so good, they never overlook a team.

i already said that...read mine again. Im just telling you not to get cocky.

[RedRage00]

i already said that...read mine again. Im just telling you not to get cocky.

Tell that to Lonny :D

[Mad Hatter]

Tell that to Lonny :D

....ive told him plenty of times....

[lonny23]

Then Lonny will jump on the Wagner bandwagon LOL

Good Luck to the Rockets this season. I plan to catch at least one Judson game!
I'm afraid not. I'll root for them to be successful, but I won't be a Wagner fan like I talk about Judson.

[lonny23]

Im not going over that again. Just about anyone with some talent could have beat SV during that period of time. New system, new kids, and our #1 WR knocked out early in the game. It threw them off, but as you saw the team was twice as good toward the end of the season. (how many points did Judson score even in the second half?) Next time read my post a little better. SV beat Madison BAD last year, all I said was that if I were Judson I would worry more about SV than Madison. Madison will not be as good this year as they were last year. I did not say SV would beat Judson. As for SV being worried, that is what makes them so good, they never overlook a team.
It was the 5th game of the year. Your system should've started developing by then. It was 23-0 at the half. Judson scored 30 during the 3rd quarter. Just once, I'd like to hear a SV fan say Judson beat them and leave it at that. It always comes with excuses and I can't wait to hear what the excuse is this year.

[lonny23]

....ive told him plenty of times....
I've been doing a lot of popping off recently, but I don't know what Judson will do. After they start playing, I'll have a gauge about what I see, but it's just joking around right now.

[Mad Hatter]

oh i know lonny and as soon as the scrim is over ill send u a pm of what i really think our chances our and how we looked etc... ill give u tha low down. :)

hopefully its good enough for u to keep braging.. ;)

[Favpack]

Lonny,

Your schtick is old and we haven't even hit Labor day yet. What really gets old is your the first to admit every post you present is designed to make Judson look great and everybody else look bad.

Answer this - is there one pre-season poll out there with Judson in the Top 5?

They got their butts handed to them by SWestfield in the D1 semis last year and you didn't even make the playoffs the year before -- wondering who they have that makes them better than last year.

[RedRage00]

Lonny,

Your schtick is old and we haven't even hit Labor day yet. What really gets old is your the first to admit every post you present is designed to make Judson look great and everybody else look bad.

Answer this - is there one pre-season poll out there with Judson in the Top 5?

They got their butts handed to them by SWestfield in the D1 semis last year and you didn't even make the playoffs the year before -- wondering who they have that makes them better than last year.

You tell him Favpack :D

Mad Hatter, were you here last season when judson lost to Westfield?...Everyone had a field day with Lonny LOL

RR

[RedRage00]

I'm afraid not. I'll root for them to be successful, but I won't be a Wagner fan like I talk about Judson.

I'd like to see how much of a Judson fan you are if Judson ever starts to lose and Wagner starts to be the powerhouse lol

The real fans will stick around through winning and losing. I'm not gonna stop supporting Victoria athletics just because they don't do well. I lived in that town too long to just jump on someone else's bandwagon. I'm loyal to my hometown.

RR

[Mad Hatter]

oh i have been here been here for over a year.

yes i remember, but we were only 1 game away from state and fav u cant say much either u lost as well.

Anywyas we have 3 much more gifted linebacker + our secondary is 1 year better with a all city saftey to anchor them together. Our line returns as well. We have 2 receivers that are 6"3" or taller and runs a 4.4 that he used to send our track team to state in the relay last spring. the other is 6"5" and runs a 4.6....Plus a rendez james who is another stud judson trac star is our new Cb and hes taller then hurd i think hes almost 6"0" tall....not to mention 2 new coaches...oh and did i mention that this years team is faster then last years....

[DiamondJ2]

1st of all, favpic, Judson lost to Westfield by 2 TD's while Lufkin was only 1 TD closer. A butt-whippin is when you lose by 4+ TD's. Westfield was very good that day with Judson committing TO's just as Westfield did the next week in the state game. If you are going to go back to the year before, yep, Rockets didn't make the playoffs--do you want to compare Judson-Lufkin over the last 25 years and state titles and appearances--no comparison. Yes, Lonny, has a tendency to be over enthusiastic about his Rockets, but I like many take him with grain of salt. Many times he does have his facts correct. Lufkin has tremendous athletes year in and year out, their town does a good job of backing their team. I always expect them to be in the running for the district and state titles.

Red Rage, let me now when Victoria Memorial does something worth noting. 4300 kids doesn't mean state title success, huh?

[Favpack]

oh i have been here been here for over a year.

yes i remember, but we were only 1 game away from state and fav u cant say much either u lost as well.

Anywyas we have 3 much more gifted linebacker + our secondary is 1 year better with a all city saftey to anchor them together. Our line returns as well. We have 2 receivers that are 6"3" or taller and runs a 4.4 that he used to send our track team to state in the relay last spring. the other is 6"5" and runs a 4.6....Plus a rendez james who is another stud judson trac star is our new Cb and hes taller then hurd i think hes almost 6"0" tall....not to mention 2 new coaches...oh and did i mention that this years team is faster then last years....

MH and DJ2 - thanks for the updates and looks like Judson will be in the thick of it - which is a reasonable prediction. But, as I stated Lonny is already over-doing it. He says he's joking - so I'll leave it at that.

I'm not dissing Judson, just think it's presumptious to assume an undefeated season unless they're are overly-load ala NorthShore in '03. -- thanks.

As far as comparisons - I guess I'll take losing to the state champ and mythical nations no. 1 in the final seconds, as opposed to losing handily to SWestfield, which lost handily to TLee, who lost in the pre-season at Lufkin with admittedly a few key playes injured in the game. Not trying to get into a throwdown over who was better - my post was directed to Lonny.

[lonny23]

MH and DJ2 - thanks for the updates and looks like Judson will be in the thick of it - which is a reasonable prediction. But, as I stated Lonny is already over-doing it. He says he's joking - so I'll leave it at that.

I'm not dissing Judson, just think it's presumptious to assume an undefeated season unless they're are overly-load ala NorthShore in '03. -- thanks.

As far as comparisons - I guess I'll take losing to the state champ and mythical nations no. 1 in the final seconds, as opposed to losing handily to SWestfield, which lost handily to TLee, who lost in the pre-season at Lufkin with admittedly a few key playes injured in the game. Not trying to get into a throwdown over who was better - my post was directed to Lonny.
I didn't start the thread that asked what Judson would do this year. Each year is different for me. I was around the whole year in 2003 and didn't say Judson would win state. Yeah, I thought they'd do it last year and before the end of the year, most Judson fans agreed with me. I just happened to be out front about it.

As far as this year goes, I have no idea what will happen. I will use 2002 and 2003 and 2004 as a baseline to judge where Judson is at as far as chances to win state. I think they'll be pretty good, but I don't know. You should do the same with Lufkin. The last time you was good enough to win state, you had Reggie McNeal. Either you need a close copy of Reggie, more depth than that team had, more luck, or the competition has to be worse than recent years.

[lonny23]

Lonny,

Your schtick is old and we haven't even hit Labor day yet. What really gets old is your the first to admit every post you present is designed to make Judson look great and everybody else look bad.

Answer this - is there one pre-season poll out there with Judson in the Top 5?

They got their butts handed to them by SWestfield in the D1 semis last year and you didn't even make the playoffs the year before -- wondering who they have that makes them better than last year.

I have seen Judson at #9 on this forum, #12 in Texas Football and #6 in the two power polls so far. Don't play this game of trying to stick stuff back in my face because Lufkin is higher in the polls. It's childish.

I have said nothing this year about trying to make anybody look bad and furthermore I'm not trying to make anybody look bad. I did say that last year, but that's not the case this year.

Lay off of me! In case you didn't notice, I picked your guys to make the title game. I still say you'll beat Longview even though I want the opposite to happen.

Another thing is I'm not doing any different than the posters who talk about the national polls because their team is in the poll. There's a lot of things said on this board by people from all over about how great their team is. If you don't want me to brag about Judson, I would expect that you would say nothing good about Lufkin either.

I would say all this stuff in a private message, but I want all the other would be posters who might say the same thing to stop and think about what they say.

[Favpack]

Ok -- great, I shall remember the kinder, gentler, more open-minded Lonny :) Maybe it's the West Texas sun that's getting to you.

regarding Lufkin....sans a deflected pass in '02 and a really, really good SLC team in '04 it's my humble opinion Lufkin would have 3 rings in 4 years - but that's not reality.

Back luck? Yep, some of that....another Reggie? Would be nice, but you can't expect that. I think all major programs have significant holes this year to fill - no NorthShore's in sight - and Lufkin is no different in that regard.

[lonny23]

Ok -- great, I shall remember the kinder, gentler, more open-minded Lonny :) Maybe it's the West Texas sun that's getting to you.

regarding Lufkin....sans a deflected pass in '02 and a really, really good SLC team in '04 it's my humble opinion Lufkin would have 3 rings in 4 years - but that's not reality.

Back luck? Yep, some of that....another Reggie? Would be nice, but you can't expect that. I think all major programs have significant holes this year to fill - no NorthShore's in sight - and Lufkin is no different in that regard.
You guys have been close. You could've had 3 in 4 and that says to me that you deserve more credit than Longview and Tyler Lee, who aren't in the same class.

[SV05champs]

I wasnt being cocky at all, just saying Judson needs to worry about SV more than they need to worry about Madison...The only thing I can predict about this years game is that it will be a close and good game. I can also predict that everyones cars will be jacked up because of the bus issue last year.


i already said that...read mine again. Im just telling you not to get cocky.

[SV05champs]

23-0 at half, 30-15 final. 5th game, come on.... SV also lost a game prior to that, did we forget about that lonny???? To a team that was not as good as Judson... Every game they got better and better until they became a great team. If you didnt see that, than you dont know much about football. However from everything I have seen here, you just typed that stuff to get another "post" added to your profile.. What a life


It was the 5th game of the year. Your system should've started developing by then. It was 23-0 at the half. Judson scored 30 during the 3rd quarter. Just once, I'd like to hear a SV fan say Judson beat them and leave it at that. It always comes with excuses and I can't wait to hear what the excuse is this year.

[Bucky]

Im not going over that again. Just about anyone with some talent could have beat SV during that period of time. New system, new kids, and our #1 WR knocked out early in the game. It threw them off, but as you saw the team was twice as good toward the end of the season. (how many points did Judson score even in the second half?) Next time read my post a little better. SV beat Madison BAD last year, all I said was that if I were Judson I would worry more about SV than Madison. Madison will not be as good this year as they were last year. I did not say SV would beat Judson. As for SV being worried, that is what makes them so good, they never overlook a team.

How many did they need to score? If you were at the game you would know that the score of that game should have been 30-0. SV got about 4 pity PI calls in the end of the 3rd and 4th qtrs. Im sure Coach Hill had one of those "if you ever want to call another game at Smithson Valley, you call that PI" comments to the ref on his sideline.

Bottom Line -- Smithson Valley has built its program on being like Judson..that is a fact..and its obvious..But Smithson Valley doesnt have the athletes that Judson has and will have a hard time beating them again this year. Especially when they get to converse and see the luxurious accomodations that await them. Smithson Valley has a good program and it is doing a great job trying to be like Judson...but they are NOT Judson and never will be!! Smithson Valley is the only team in that district that has a chance at beating the Rockets this season...but I dont think it will happen. It all depends on the running game and how well all the kids respond to all the new coaches and all the changes. Judson had a GREAT coaching staff and have replaced them with some really good coaches...I hope they all gel and can pick up where they left off.

And about Gibbens and his defense...You are forgetting that Rackly was on the defensive side of the ball and He had a lot of changes that he implemented...Again Time will tell and now that Gibbens is calling the shots..just sit back and watch how a defense is run.

[Slim-Rob]

23-0 at half, 30-15 final. 5th game, come on.... SV also lost a game prior to that, did we forget about that lonny???? To a team that was not as good as Judson... Every game they got better and better until they became a great team. If you didnt see that, than you dont know much about football. However from everything I have seen here, you just typed that stuff to get another "post" added to your profile.. What a life

And you posting twice in a row isn't "typing stuff to get another post?" And if you don't see the first 5 games of the season as important games, "than you dont know much about football," because 5 losses will most likely keep you out of the playoffs, especially in 26-5A.

I'm sorry that Judson starts off the season good, I'll ask Coach Rackley to slow it down a bit. Maybe then we can say, "Oh come on guys, it was just the 5th game."

Smithson Valley had a great run last year, but they fell short, as did Judson. I have no problem with Smithson Valley players, fans, or coaches. What I have a problem with is all of these people blaming last years loss to Judson on a slow start. ITS STILL A LOSS. It doesn't get excused because it was early in the season. Maybe SV should worry more about this year's game against Judson than last year's.

Speaking of that, Judson wins it 35-10.

Oh yeah, Bucky you said "now that Gibbens is calling the shots," and I was just wondering if you meant "now that Gibbens ISN"T calling the shots."

[SVite]

How many did they need to score? If you were at the game you would know that the score of that game should have been 30-0. SV got about 4 pity PI calls in the end of the 3rd and 4th qtrs. Im sure Coach Hill had one of those "if you ever want to call another game at Smithson Valley, you call that PI" comments to the ref on his sideline.

Bottom Line -- Smithson Valley has built its program on being like Judson..that is a fact..and its obvious..But Smithson Valley doesnt have the athletes that Judson has and will have a hard time beating them again this year. Especially when they get to converse and see the luxurious accomodations that await them. Smithson Valley has a good program and it is doing a great job trying to be like Judson...but they are NOT Judson and never will be!! Smithson Valley is the only team in that district that has a chance at beating the Rockets this season...but I dont think it will happen. It all depends on the running game and how well all the kids respond to all the new coaches and all the changes. Judson had a GREAT coaching staff and have replaced them with some really good coaches...I hope they all gel and can pick up where they left off.

And about Gibbens and his defense...You are forgetting that Rackly was on the defensive side of the ball and He had a lot of changes that he implemented...Again Time will tell and now that Gibbens is calling the shots..just sit back and watch how a defense is run.



Was`nt it basically the same Great "CHEERLEADING"coaching staff, that did`nt make the play offs a couple of yrs ago? AGAIN! You should be blowing every body off the field when your twice the size as most teams you play.If SV had that Enrollment,no team in the state would even be close.All the years that Judson has dominated,guess what"huge enrollments" lets see if "cheerleader"Rackley could have taken over a loosing program and turned it around.A program that is barley over the minimum in enrollment size.And I was at that game last year!Judson hammered us in the first half.But the second half we out scored you.And your 1st teamers were in till the last play.Your d-backs were mugging our recievers,and you get pissed because the refs did their job.Funny when calls go against you,you automatically think it was a gift from the refs.

That game was the turning the corner game for us.Even though we lost our most experienced reciever for the next 6 games.One of the things that stands out in my mind, is the hype your coaches do before the game,and the begining of the 3rd.Totally a 180 to Hill.That reminded me of the teams I used hate from Boerne.Except they did it in every sport.If your players cant get modivated before a game,and the start of 3rd the quarter.Then what do you do when your on a loosing streak,and the rah rah isnt working?I`ll tell ya what you do.You miss the play offs like you did 2 yrs ago.

[winagain]

SVite . . . it's one thing to say stupid stuff and it's another thing to misspell most everything, but to come on this board and say stupid stuff and misspell every other word -- you must just be dumb. Are you what the SVers so often refer to as "Lake trash?" :rolleyes:

[dwistheman]

Was`nt it basically the same Great "CHEERLEADING"coaching staff, that did`nt make the play offs a couple of yrs ago? AGAIN! You should be blowing every body off the field when your twice the size as most teams you play.If SV had that Enrollment,no team in the state would even be close.All the years that Judson has dominated,guess what"huge enrollments" lets see if "cheerleader"Rackley could have taken over a loosing program and turned it around.A program that is barley over the minimum in enrollment size.And I was at that game last year!Judson hammered us in the first half.But the second half we out scored you.And your 1st teamers were in till the last play.Your d-backs were mugging our recievers,and you get pissed because the refs did their job.Funny when calls go against you,you automatically think it was a gift from the refs.

That game was the turning the corner game for us.Even though we lost our most experienced reciever for the next 6 games.One of the things that stands out in my mind, is the hype your coaches do before the game,and the begining of the 3rd.Totally a 180 to Hill.That reminded me of the teams I used hate from Boerne.Except they did it in every sport.If your players cant get modivated before a game,and the start of 3rd the quarter.Then what do you do when your on a loosing streak,and the rah rah isnt working?I`ll tell ya what you do.You miss the play offs like you did 2 yrs ago.


Be very careful bashing the coaching staff that has won 5 State titles and has the winningest record in 5A football over the last 20 years.....And dont bite the hand that feeds you. SV and Hill have done everything to try and emulate Judson's program.

[DiamondJ2]

Svite, here is a question that I'm sure you can answer. Tell me why the following schools who are just as big or bigger than Judson do not consistently advance or win the state championship: Dallas Skyline, Alief schools, The Woodlands, Houston Memorial, Westfield, Victoria Memorial, Plano, Plano East, Plano West, La Joya and in the 90's Mission, Harlingen, Brownsville, PSJA. When Judson won it's 1st 5 state titles they weren't even in the top 15 or 20 in enrollment in various years. Yep, we did miss the playoffs in 2 of the last 4 years, but we'll still keep those 6 state trophies which you can come look at in a few weeks.

You need to watch the game film from last year's game and show me the mugging. Two of the calls were wrong, two weren't--that's from the game film and from the referee who called one of each.

Coach Hill has done an excellent job at SV. He spent many winter & spring's at Judson talking with the coaching staff, watching boot camp, etc. He took those ideas and installed them in his philosophy--which is obvious in SV program.

We didn't make the playoffs a couple of years ago, but their are reasons that 90% of the people don't know about. It had nothing to do with the staff, but with a handful of players.

Personally, I enjoy watching SV play. The coaching staff does a great job with their kids and getting them to buy into their system. Their recent success is outstanding. I hope they can continue it for a 27 year peiod like Judson has and home another state trophy in football to the San Antonio area.

[Mad Hatter]

lrod knows we need the help...i mean when u have more state championship football tropies by ure self then the rest of the city combined....its really just sad. Also Svite id like to point out some thing to you. 1st we may have more students but not more football players. belive it or not most kids dont go out for the football team because they dont think they will make it...even good ones. 2nd u have much bigger kids then us u look at the roster from last yea u had better receivers, better quaterback, and a supposed better defense. Hell ure ranked above us this year. YOUR TEAM! have no excuse to lose at all this year as highly ranked and regarded as you are. were just trying to rebuild. :D

[SV05champs]

Yea whatever, they got those calls becaue the DB's didnt know how to prevent the play. (who made excuses?) If you can do it over and over again, why not? If its working. Hill would never say things like that to the refs. I dont know how people over at Judson do it, but in SV, we take the call like it is. If the opposing team doesnt know how to defend it, we keep doing it. AS FOR THE SV BUILDING A PROGRAM LIKE JUDSON!!! LOL, if you had a clue, SV built their offense around the Ennis program moron. As for the defense, it was built to defend the SLC program, or extreme spread offense. Trust me, SV did not try to be like Judson. Also, I dont know off the top of my head, but which team has the best record over the past few year? as for the comment "athletes that Judson has" that makes no difference at all, you will see.

2005 -- SV 28 Judson 14



How many did they need to score? If you were at the game you would know that the score of that game should have been 30-0. SV got about 4 pity PI calls in the end of the 3rd and 4th qtrs. Im sure Coach Hill had one of those "if you ever want to call another game at Smithson Valley, you call that PI" comments to the ref on his sideline.

Bottom Line -- Smithson Valley has built its program on being like Judson..that is a fact..and its obvious..But Smithson Valley doesnt have the athletes that Judson has and will have a hard time beating them again this year. Especially when they get to converse and see the luxurious accomodations that await them. Smithson Valley has a good program and it is doing a great job trying to be like Judson...but they are NOT Judson and never will be!! Smithson Valley is the only team in that district that has a chance at beating the Rockets this season...but I dont think it will happen. It all depends on the running game and how well all the kids respond to all the new coaches and all the changes. Judson had a GREAT coaching staff and have replaced them with some really good coaches...I hope they all gel and can pick up where they left off.

And about Gibbens and his defense...You are forgetting that Rackly was on the defensive side of the ball and He had a lot of changes that he implemented...Again Time will tell and now that Gibbens is calling the shots..just sit back and watch how a defense is run.

[Rerun]

Why are we even arguing. SV is third best team in the area this year.

Clemens and Judson are clear cut favorites.

Whoever wins the SC vs. CJ game in Round 1 will win the region and most likely the state title.

[Rerun]

Just kidding yall, had to ruffle some feathers.


SV, SC, & CJ are all even in my book.

It is a crap shoot.

[Hdshrinker]

Why are we even arguing. SV is third best team in the area this year.

Clemens and Judson are clear cut favorites.

Whoever wins the SC vs. CJ game in Round 1 will win the region and most likely the state title.


*Chuckles* Just as with the Spurs.......SV came out of this District the champions...until someone proves that different they aren't the 3rd best team. They are the best team. And, I'm not an SV fan....

[Rerun]

*Chuckles* Just as with the Spurs.......SV came out of this District the champions...until someone proves that different they aren't the 3rd best team. They are the best team. And, I'm not an SV fan....

Hmm, must have not seen my post right after that one.

[Rerun]

SV finished 2nd in 26-5A last season.

They lost big when they played JROCK.

I think they are all even but just because SV went the furthest last year does not mean they are better than Judson.

If Judson had played in D2 the end result could have been different.

[Mad Hatter]

Svite...do u even know what ure talking about its a proven fact that Smithson valleys program is modeled after judson...sigh. Im done arguing with you.

[dragonsdaddy]

what evidence proves said"fact"?

[Rerun]

What program wouldn't want to model around the likes of Judson?

I mean, they are only the most storied program is Region 4 and one of the most soried in Texas.

All teams should strive for the quality and greatness that Judson has had for many years.

[BIGrNtx12]

See, thats where your wrong mad hatter. They WERE modeling there program after Judson when they first started. Coach Hill has built that program up and has surpassed most all goals, except one. Did they model it after Judson yes, do they still do it now, no. Coach Hill and company are the best around, people model after them. Back in '95 or whatever it was when they did model ya'll, if ya'll would have known then what ya'll do now you would not have given them any help, not that they needed much. Now all ya'll can to is sit back and say, "we created a monster".

[Mad Hatter]

ha....why it doesnt affect judson any...the greatest form of flattery is immatation. You wouldnt have the program u have now if u didnt come to us to get help.

[SV05champs]

LOL LOL LOL, your crazy, SV DID NOT got to Judson for ANYTHING. They DID however visit Ennis to look at the spread. They wanted to play more of a spread so they could learn to defend against the spread. They were preparing for no other than SLC in the 04 state game. Judson was just a game, it didnt matter if the beat them or not, they could still win state, and they almost did. SV has never visited Judson to learn anything, and they never will.



ha....why it doesnt affect judson any...the greatest form of flattery is immatation. You wouldnt have the program u have now if u didnt come to us to get help.

[Mad Hatter]

Hill came to judson for our offseason stuff....BOOTCAMP...dont tell u guys thought u came up with that .

[TexasRed6x]

It is probably correct that SV did not get much from Judson, since they do not have any hardware in the case. It is easy for folks to talk about how good they were, about good the are, or how good they are going to be. Schools like Odessa Permian, SLC, Katy, and Judson have the hardware in the case and should get all the credit in the world for it. I hear allot of junk coming out of SV mouths about how good they are , but guess what no hardware yet. If you are going to keep comparing then start by comparing apple to apples SV with Clemens, SV with Regan, SV with Clark. All of these are great teams but are justy like you no hardware. SV get some hardware then you can run your mouth all you want to, for now ... always a bridesmaid never a bride.

[dragonsdaddy]

ouch

[DiamondJ2]

Thank you, bigrntx12. Now please enlighten svo5 about the true past of the SV staff visiting Judson so he can get a clue. Yes, they visited with Ennis and other teams as their program developed and had to face SLC in recent years, but as you stated 10 years ago they were constantly at Judson. Any good program will allow other schools to ask questions and observe as Judson has over the last 20 years. Then that school will adopt certain aspects of the program and put it in their own or adapt to their style. SV did that with Judson and it has now evolved to fit the needs of SV. SV has an outstanding program, hope it carries over to other sports soon.

[Bucky]

Thank you, bigrntx12. Now please enlighten svo5 about the true past of the SV staff visiting Judson so he can get a clue. Yes, they visited with Ennis and other teams as their program developed and had to face SLC in recent years, but as you stated 10 years ago they were constantly at Judson. Any good program will allow other schools to ask questions and observe as Judson has over the last 20 years. Then that school will adopt certain aspects of the program and put it in their own or adapt to their style. SV did that with Judson and it has now evolved to fit the needs of SV. SV has an outstanding program, hope it carries over to other sports soon.


First of all...Smithson Valley is one of the top schools in the state when it comes to winning in athletics. Football, Baseball, Softball, Volleyball. All these programs are top notch.

Second of all..any coach worth his salt is gonna vistit jusdson and try to apply some of their stuff to their own program. With all the talk about how BIG Judson is and how many kids they have...You all go back and look at all the all-district, all-city, all-state and even look back at the D1 recruits that sign every year for the last 20+ years. There is one FACT that no one can deny and that is Judson's PROGRAM does more with their kids (wins more games) than any other school in the state. SV has a GREAT Athletic program..Im not saying they dont..what im saying is Judsons Program is one of the best in the state..PERIOD..6 State Championships since 1983. How many finals appearence and semi-finals appearences have there been. SV has been good for 5 or 6 years. Before coach hill SV couldnt beat off.

And for the wise guy that made a crack about Judson not getting in the playoffs in '03..you are right..they didnt but that was only then 2nd time since '83 that that has happened..Can you say that about your school?

About the PI calls in last years game..watch the film!!! if you cant see they were terrible calls you are blind..or stupid!

[Mad Hatter]

lol and to top it off after being humiliated you go and make your selves look even worse by writing racist stuff on our bussess...what little respect i had for your program is gone completley after last year. I hope you try that down in SA this year...gonna be alot of smashed car windows and what not...

[Bucky]

lol and to top it off after being humiliated you go and make your selves look even worse by writing racist stuff on our bussess...what little respect i had for your program is gone completley after last year. I hope you try that down in SA this year...gonna be alot of smashed car windows and what not...

Come on Mad Hatter..dont lump all SV into that catagory. I dont think their athletic program had anything to do with the bus painting. SV athletic program is very much a CLASS ACT. I wouldnt throw too many stones untill SV plays here and nothing stupid happens in Converse.

[Rerun]

lol and to top it off after being humiliated you go and make your selves look even worse by writing racist stuff on our bussess...what little respect i had for your program is gone completley after last year. I hope you try that down in SA this year...gonna be alot of smashed car windows and what not...

Smashing car windows in Converse would not surprise me one bit.

If that were to happen again and Judson fans retaliated by doing that, then you are just as bad as the instigators.

Turn the other cheek.

Or better yet, just win the game and let the standings do all the talking.

[Rerun]

We can talk about this stuff til the cows come home, but, the bottom line is that it was not the players doing that crap.

The players were on the field, not outside in the parking lots.

[SV05champs]

What in the ** are you talking about? SV has not been to Judson in the past 7-8 years and that is a FACT. When SV was a 4a team they may have talked with Judson staff, but that is about it. If you are a coach and you have one of the greatest minds when it comes to football, why would you go get advice from a team that just has really goot athletes? SV did go to Ennis, but that was to learn the spread which Hill and staff were not familiar with. What is it that Judson does that is so different? That SV would need to learn? Yea they may have a winning record, but if they are doing that with basic football you will never be able to advise people on what to do to win games. Constantly at Judson, lol, no they were not. What Hill does is from his aspects of his past coaching job, and his college football days. He worked for an ex college coach when he first started out coaching. Say SV got everything they know from Judson all you want, even if they did, they changed all of it now.

AS FOR THE HARDWARE STATEMENT FROM THE MORON... Just give it a couple more years. Not a bad record over the past few years at SV, they will earn their credit and win many titles in the next few years.. They get very close every year with small, slow, dedicated players. Judson may have a ton of titles since 83 (about when SV became a school) but what about the past 5 years? SV has won just as many games.. They could have had a title like Judson if they had the ball one more time and SLC didnt put anyone deep (yea you got lucky against Midland High!)


Thank you, bigrntx12. Now please enlighten svo5 about the true past of the SV staff visiting Judson so he can get a clue. Yes, they visited with Ennis and other teams as their program developed and had to face SLC in recent years, but as you stated 10 years ago they were constantly at Judson. Any good program will allow other schools to ask questions and observe as Judson has over the last 20 years. Then that school will adopt certain aspects of the program and put it in their own or adapt to their style. SV did that with Judson and it has now evolved to fit the needs of SV. SV has an outstanding program, hope it carries over to other sports soon.

[SV05champs]

Past 6 Years=

SV been to state 3 times
Judson been 1 time

Judson gets lucky any other coach in the state is not on the other team and wins a title.

[Mad Hatter]

Call it what you want luck,skill,a miracle...the fact is we have it and you dont :p

[SV05champs]

True, but SV will, they are taking over the area as of this year, like it or not..


Call it what you want luck,skill,a miracle...the fact is we have it and you dont :p

[Bucky]

True, but SV will, they are taking over the area as of this year, like it or not..

Whatever!! :cool:

[Bucky]

Past 6 Years=

SV been to state 3 times
Judson been 1 time

Judson gets lucky any other coach in the state is not on the other team and wins a title.

Past 6 years=
Judson 1 state championship
SV ZERO!!!! Let me say it again ZERO

We at Judson like to think we create our own luck! Losers blame their loss on their own misfortune. Winners credit good luck for their success. SV's arrogance astounds me. They have played in the finals 3 times and have not won yet..yet you act like you have won all three times. You have a good program..But untill you actually beat Judson you will be at best 2nd place in district 26-5A. Talk is cheap and untill you win state or Beat Judson you talk is not worth a whole lot!! Good Luck this year. You wont beat Judson..But you will talk about it a lot!

[Bucky]

Judson gets lucky any other coach in the state is not on the other team and wins a title.

What does this mean anyway? "any other coach in the state is not on the other team and wins a title."?

You are one Jealous 2nd place finisher. Had SV somehow beaten SLC last season(which they didnt) you still LOST to Judson..and nothing you write on this message board can change that.

[Mad Hatter]

lol i acctually was rooting for you guys i wanted judson to win in D1 and SV ion D2...now i think ill root for all might SLC.

[JC73]

lol i acctually was rooting for you guys i wanted judson to win in D1 and SV ion D2...now i think ill root for all might SLC.

Two SV posters don't represent all of SV. Sv is a class program and Hill does deserve a lot of credit. He does more with less Judson fans. I really don't think it is logical to say or imply that SV's success is due to the fact that they "modeled" Judson either. Two totally different programs now. You guys from SV and Judson need to simmer down and put everything in perspective. SV lost to Judson last year. SV came on strong after the Judson game and almost beat the best "ranked" team in the nation. No, Judson did NOT pull starters in the second half of their game with SV. Refs did NOT make the difference in the second half to "keep it close." Could SV beat Judson if they would have played them again last season? Maybe, maybe not. Currently it stands Judosn 1 SV 0. The point is that season is history and we are starting a new one. Lets remember we are both 265a and we should not demean ourselves by all this cheap trash talk that is showing up. I personally support both teams and hope they will represent the SA area well.
Personally, and in my opinion, I think SV will win this year in a close one.

[Rerun]

If SouthWest makes the playoffs, then Clemens goes D2.

If Clemens goes D2 - Root for them against SLC :)

[Mad Hatter]

hahaha....if regan makes the playoofs judson goes to D2...ill root for them instead of SLC.

[DiamondJ2]

Well, svo5, I guess the gentelman I talked with at the coaching office and during boot camp was a Coach Hill impersonator and the 3 gentlemen with him just happen to be wearing SV shirts. Yes, it was 8- 10 years ago as I stated earlier. And why would a coach go someplace to talk to a school with just good athletes, I don't know, ask Coach Hill who went to Ennis where they have really good athletes. Any coach, even the very successful one's will sit down and talk with other coaches and visit other schools to learn, to see if they have something that they can incorporate into their program. That is how you grow and continue to maintain an excellent program. Never did I say in my post that SV got all of their philosophy from Judson--read the post svo5.

Luck against Midland, luck that SLC beat SV or luck that SV was able to come so close. No none of the aforementioned are true. Opportunity was made available through hard work, good playmaking and good coaching. If Judson had the ball one more time in '90 & '98 they would have won two more titles, but they didn't.

SV has been very successful over the last 5 years and should continue to be successful because of the coaching staff and the players buying in to the program. Just wondering, how many SV players during that time signed to play at Division I colleges?

[JC73]

I'm sorry, and I will not give my source or who I am, but Larry Hill has never been to Judson High School to watch boot camp, practice, ect. He talked to DW Rutledge and to Rutledge's coaches prior to coming to SV, that's it. Hill's program is his own.

[BIGrNtx12]

fan2005. Are you meaning to tell me when SV was in the dumps, Coach Hill never went to any other school for help. I am a proud SV fan as anyone, but common let's stop being conceited. Although SV did not get much plays, schemes, alignments.. exc. from Judson they did look at their boot camp and off season stuff. I still do think as of now SV boot camp is the hardest in Texas, but it is modeled after Judsons. JUDSON FANS, ya'll have a great program that demands respect. Please do not let a couple of posters that are probably 17-18 yr old kids that don't play sports let them stain our reputation of being classless. We give respect where respect is due. Likewise I would apprieciate it if ya'll showed some to and stop shoving the 0-3 in state games in our face.

[BIGrNtx12]

reputation of being classy****

[RedRage00]

Past 6 Years=

SV been to state 3 times
Judson been 1 time

Judson gets lucky any other coach in the state is not on the other team and wins a title.

Doesn't Judson have 6 state titles?

RR

[RedRage00]

If SouthWest makes the playoffs, then Clemens goes D2.

If Clemens goes D2 - Root for them against SLC :)

Clemens will have to get past Smithson Valley....and that won't happen! :p

[JC73]

fan2005. Are you meaning to tell me when SV was in the dumps, Coach Hill never went to any other school for help. I am a proud SV fan as anyone, but common let's stop being conceited. Although SV did not get much plays, schemes, alignments.. exc. from Judson they did look at their boot camp and off season stuff. I still do think as of now SV boot camp is the hardest in Texas, but it is modeled after Judsons. JUDSON FANS, ya'll have a great program that demands respect. Please do not let a couple of posters that are probably 17-18 yr old kids that don't play sports let them stain our reputation of being classless. We give respect where respect is due. Likewise I would apprieciate it if ya'll showed some to and stop shoving the 0-3 in state games in our face.

Sv offseason is nothing like Judson's. Yes, hill may have gotten a few ideas from them, but not all of what he does "models" them like other posters have said. All head coaches communicate and share ideas, this is very common practice. Hill probubly got ideas from other programs as well, as did Judson when Rutlegde started there. Hill did not invent bootcamp, but neither did any coach from Judson. That kind of deal has been going on in High school football for years. Ask any old coach. Don't think for a second that Hill's way of running a program is not his own. Judson is a great program that has a lot of tradition, but they are not the Mecca of high school football. All coaches share ideas.

[TexasRed6x]

Hey SV05champs - you still have no hardware and you are still running your mouth. You are starting to make all the rest of the good SV fans look bad. You come in here talking about how if you had the ball 1 more time you would have won the game against SLC, and how Judson was lucky against Midland who is the moron now. Good teams don't make excuses and SV had 48 minutes to win and they didn't. You keep talking about Judson so all your talking, you must be in love with them or something, these guys have 6 titles and have probably been to the championship even more times. You have been 3 times and have won nothing, kinda like the Buffalo Bills don't you think. I will give you a break for now because still being in high school you still have a tendancy to say stuid things. I would stop while your ahead and leave schools that have won without excuses alone.

[SVite]

SVite . . . it's one thing to say stupid stuff and it's another thing to misspell most everything, but to come on this board and say stupid stuff and misspell every other word -- you must just be dumb. Are you what the SVers so often refer to as "Lake trash?" :rolleyes:

Well,if every other word is misspelled I`m not sure what you were reading.Maybe it`s that Judson education.As for being "laker trash"!Come on up to my 2 story lakeview,and view the hill country, and lake,from my trashy 20x30 upper deck.Cut your momas strings,and get out of the hood (SA)esay!LOL..

[SVite]

lol and to top it off after being humiliated you go and make your selves look even worse by writing racist stuff on our bussess...what little respect i had for your program is gone completley after last year. I hope you try that down in SA this year...gonna be alot of smashed car windows and what not...


I guess we made your whole school, last year go on LOCK DOWN for the last month of school.O` Judson Thou Angelic School Thou Art.And How about that gang fight last year at the Judson-Roosevelt game.O` Judson You can cast the first stone if you have never sinned.

[gibberish]

The rivalry has officially begun lol. :D I just hope this one last longer then Roosevelt and Clemens. Hopefully Judson and Clemens will meet in the playoffs again, that has always been my favorite.

[SVite]

Quote "Bucky"
And for the wise guy that made a crack about Judson not getting in the playoffs in '03..you are right..they didnt but that was only then 2nd time since '83 that that has happened..Can you say that about your school?

Lets see,while Judson was rolling with that enormus enrollment.SV had a whopping 100 kids per class (1976-1985) about 120-150 a class till the mid 90`s.The good athletes we had never came off the field,and were dragging the ground around mid 3rd quarter.We have always been low enrollment in what ever class we were in,except for the 2002 year.UIL moved us up the next year to 5A,and here we are again.You wanna talk apples,and apples?Well we cant.Judson has over 4 thousand students,more than doubles us.It took your district over 10 years to pass the voting for a new school.It was all about football,and not academics.It`s apples,and oranges.As for Hill modeling after Judson?He and his brother Glen grew up on a football a field,and breaking film down.There dad was a head coach at East Central for many,many years.East Central thought that they might have had him,or Glen coaching them one day.But Larry started out at Clark,and went and interviewed for the SV job,and by his surprise he landed it.The rest is history,and more comming.Two years ago Midland Lee tried to lure the whole staff away,but Hill stayed at the valley.Thank You Larry!!!!

[dwistheman]

Quote "Bucky"
And for the wise guy that made a crack about Judson not getting in the playoffs in '03..you are right..they didnt but that was only then 2nd time since '83 that that has happened..Can you say that about your school?

Lets see,while Judson was rolling with that enormus enrollment.SV had a whopping 100 kids per class (1976-1985) about 120-150 a class till the mid 90`s.The good athletes we had never came off the field,and were dragging the ground around mid 3rd quarter.We have always been low enrollment in what ever class we were in,except for the 2002 year.UIL moved us up the next year to 5A,and here we are again.You wanna talk apples,and apples?Well we cant.Judson has over 4 thousand students,more than doubles us.It took your district over 10 years to pass the voting for a new school.It was all about football,and not academics.It`s apples,and oranges.

SVite,

Please do a little bit of research before throwing around the enrollment argument. Your ignorance of the facts defeats your argument. Judson was not one of the largest schools in the state until the mid 90's. By that time they already had 4 titles under their belt.......but please dont let the facts get in the way.

[SVite]

SVite,

Please do a little bit of research before throwing around the enrollment argument. Your ignorance of the facts defeats your argument. Judson was not one of the largest schools in the state until the mid 90's. By that time they already had 4 titles under their belt.......but please dont let the facts get in the way.


Well since your a the fact guy,You do the research,and prove that they were a small 4A team then.Then i`ll believe your view.

[dwistheman]

Well since your a the fact guy,You do the research,and prove that they were a small 4A team then.Then i`ll believe your view.

I fail to see why I have to prove they were a small 4a school. They did not become a 5a school until 1982 and the first title was in 1983. I dont mean to bash you, but as a Judson supporter it gets old quickly when people try to equate our success solely to the size of the student body. Most Judson fans will probably tell you that the large enrollment had been more of a detriment than a positive in the past few years.

[SVite]

I fail to see why I have to prove they were a small 4a school. They did not become a 5a school until 1982 and the first title was in 1983. I dont mean to bash you, but as a Judson supporter it gets old quickly when people try to equate our success solely to the size of the student body. Most Judson fans will probably tell you that the large enrollment had been more of a detriment than a positive in the past few years.


They moved up to 5A because the UIL got rid of the "B" class.Meaning All 4A schools moved to 5A,all 3A schools moved to 4A,all 2A`s moved to 3A,and so on.

[dwistheman]

They moved up to 5A because the UIL got rid of the "B" class.Meaning All 4A schools moved to 5A,all 3A schools moved to 4A,all 2A`s moved to 3A,and so on.

Maybe it is my poor Judson education, but I still fail to see your point.

[Mad Hatter]

whoa how about both of you stop dissing the judson education system...ill have you know i got a very good education from judson.

[dwistheman]

whoa how about both of you stop dissing the judson education system...ill have you know i got a very good education from judson.

Relax Mad Hatter. Ever heard of the term in jest? Judson offers a very good education. I am a product of that. Whether or not most students and their parents choose to take advantage of that may be another story.

[SV05champs]

Thanks you! I too know a VERY reliable source at SV, that has been there for the past several years. I also am not about to give names, but I know they have not been there since my source has been at SV.


I'm sorry, and I will not give my source or who I am, but Larry Hill has never been to Judson High School to watch boot camp, practice, ect. He talked to DW Rutledge and to Rutledge's coaches prior to coming to SV, that's it. Hill's program is his own.

[SV05champs]

When was SV in the dumps while Hill was there? Do you refer to dumps as not going deep in the playoffs?


fan2005. Are you meaning to tell me when SV was in the dumps, Coach Hill never went to any other school for help. I am a proud SV fan as anyone, but common let's stop being conceited. Although SV did not get much plays, schemes, alignments.. exc. from Judson they did look at their boot camp and off season stuff. I still do think as of now SV boot camp is the hardest in Texas, but it is modeled after Judsons. JUDSON FANS, ya'll have a great program that demands respect. Please do not let a couple of posters that are probably 17-18 yr old kids that don't play sports let them stain our reputation of being classless. We give respect where respect is due. Likewise I would apprieciate it if ya'll showed some to and stop shoving the 0-3 in state games in our face.

[SV05champs]

You and I both know that it was LUCK against Midland High, or accually IDIOT coaching on the defense. With two guys on the 20 yard line, and the corners playing off the ball, yes you may have completed that pass, but there should have been 2-3 or even 4 guys to beat to get into the endzone. There was no skill to that play or good coaching call. Thats all I said.


Hey SV05champs - you still have no hardware and you are still running your mouth. You are starting to make all the rest of the good SV fans look bad. You come in here talking about how if you had the ball 1 more time you would have won the game against SLC, and how Judson was lucky against Midland who is the moron now. Good teams don't make excuses and SV had 48 minutes to win and they didn't. You keep talking about Judson so all your talking, you must be in love with them or something, these guys have 6 titles and have probably been to the championship even more times. You have been 3 times and have won nothing, kinda like the Buffalo Bills don't you think. I will give you a break for now because still being in high school you still have a tendancy to say stuid things. I would stop while your ahead and leave schools that have won without excuses alone.

[SV05champs]

No, not in the past 6 years.


Doesn't Judson have 6 state titles?

RR

[Mad Hatter]

lol you sv guys are just so sore that we win state titles and you dont...its really quite sad. Like i said b4 call it what you want its still ours.

[SV05champs]

It means that if Judson was facing ANY OTHER COACH IN THE STATE on Midland's side, Judson would not have scored. Any good coach would have guys back on the 20 yard line, let the pass be completed, and then make the tackle, and win the game. You dont play man to man in that situation with nobody back deep.


What does this mean anyway? "any other coach in the state is not on the other team and wins a title."?

You are one Jealous 2nd place finisher. Had SV somehow beaten SLC last season(which they didnt) you still LOST to Judson..and nothing you write on this message board can change that.

[Mad Hatter]

well they made a mistake and we made them pay thats the sigh of a good team idiot...when u see a mismatch u use it.

[SV05champs]

Well, what other play could you have ran there? That was your only option, and any good coach would have realized that. No matter if 6 guys were back in prevent, the same play would have been ran. My sister even knew it was a mistake, a very dumb mistake! But hey, Im glad you guys won.


well they made a mistake and we made them pay thats the sigh of a good team idiot...when u see a mismatch u use it.

[Slim-Rob]

Well, what other play could you have ran there? That was your only option, and any good coach would have realized that. No matter if 6 guys were back in prevent, the same play would have been ran. My sister even knew it was a mistake, a very dumb mistake! But hey, Im glad you guys won.

YOU ARE STILL FAILING TO SEE THAT A WIN IS A WIN. No matter how the win comes, its still a win. Was it bad Coaching when you lost to Judson? Oh, wait, never mind, it was just early in the season. Maybe it was just bad coaching that allowed you to be anywhere near winning that Finals game. You need to see that Judson has 6 titles more than SV, and Judson's record against SV is 1-0. Stop being sore about all of your losses and look ahead to next year.

[RedRage00]

No, not in the past 6 years.


I think Judson would rather have their 6 state titles than SV's 0

RR

[Bucky]

I think Judson would rather have their 6 state titles than SV's 0

RR


I'd say that is a pretty safe assumption...What do you SV guys think about that. Maybe we should give the '02 one back. Since it was lucky and all. Maybe we should give the title to Austin Bowie who should have beaten us in the first round..or Clark, who took us to OT in the next round. Maybe Aleif...who would have beaten us had their all-state TE not got hurt.

I guess you are saying coach Yanzer is a bad coach...or "stupid" coach I think you said. I guess you would consider coach Hill a moron as well..he's been to the title game and not won it 3 times. He even let SLC go down the feild and kick the winning FG with time running out...how smart was that?

[Mad Hatter]

I'd say that is a pretty safe assumption...What do you SV guys think about that. Maybe we should give the '02 one back. Since it was lucky and all. Maybe we should give the title to Austin Bowie who should have beaten us in the first round..or Clark, who took us to OT in the next round. Maybe Aleif...who would have beaten us had their all-state TE not got hurt.

I guess you are saying coach Yanzer is a bad coach...or "stupid" coach I think you said. I guess you would consider coach Hill a moron as well..he's been to the title game and not won it 3 times. He even let SLC go down the feild and kick the winning FG with time running out...how smart was that?

ouch....

[drgnbkr]

I think we need some real football games to start!...Then everybody would have something current to argue about..... :eek:

[dragons08]

I think we need some real football games to start!...Then everybody would have something current to argue about..... :eek:
good point, but i think if a team beats another team they'll be like, oh we beat you so many years ago, or we have the all time record against you stuff like that, but thats life i guess

[Mad Hatter]

yeah

[BIGrNtx12]

I'd say that is a pretty safe assumption...What do you SV guys think about that. Maybe we should give the '02 one back. Since it was lucky and all. Maybe we should give the title to Austin Bowie who should have beaten us in the first round..or Clark, who took us to OT in the next round. Maybe Aleif...who would have beaten us had their all-state TE not got hurt.

I guess you are saying coach Yanzer is a bad coach...or "stupid" coach I think you said. I guess you would consider coach Hill a moron as well..he's been to the title game and not won it 3 times. He even let SLC go down the feild and kick the winning FG with time running out...how smart was that?

Now THAT was uncalled for.

[SV05champs]

And how many years has Judson had to win it? SV has been in 5A how long? And what have they done? I think you guys are just sore that SV and SLC are dominating 5A



I'd say that is a pretty safe assumption...What do you SV guys think about that. Maybe we should give the '02 one back. Since it was lucky and all. Maybe we should give the title to Austin Bowie who should have beaten us in the first round..or Clark, who took us to OT in the next round. Maybe Aleif...who would have beaten us had their all-state TE not got hurt.

I guess you are saying coach Yanzer is a bad coach...or "stupid" coach I think you said. I guess you would consider coach Hill a moron as well..he's been to the title game and not won it 3 times. He even let SLC go down the feild and kick the winning FG with time running out...how smart was that?

[SV05champs]

Yes, it was stupid of Yanzer. Hill didnt let SLC go down the field, it was the #1 offense in the nation that he let get in a DECENT distance for a great kick that a lot of people would not have made. Yanzer is not a stupid coach, he did make a STUPID call. At least Hill has a led a team to the state finals. A lot of good coaches never even get close. He will win many to come, and will win more games than 95% of any coach in history within time. The Yanzer deal was a last play issue, the Hill deal was a last drive issue. Yanzer and all the other idiots were cheering like they had the game won, Hill knew they could lose and they did their best to stop it. Apples and oranges fool, get a clue.


I guess you are saying coach Yanzer is a bad coach...or "stupid" coach I think you said. I guess you would consider coach Hill a moron as well..he's been to the title game and not won it 3 times. He even let SLC go down the feild and kick the winning FG with time running out...how smart was that?[/QUOTE]

[dwistheman]

Enough of this my dad can beat up your dad crap. Too bad this board does not have a minimun posting age. SV and Judson will be playing for the district title and will make runs deep into the playoffs. Let's leave it at that. :cool:

[Mad Hatter]

Enough of this my dad can beat up your dad crap. Too bad this board does not have a minimun posting age. SV and Judson will be playing for the district title and will make runs deep into the playoffs. Let's leave it at that. :cool:

i agree.

[Slim-Rob]

And how many years has Judson had to win it? SV has been in 5A how long? And what have they done? I think you guys are just sore that SV and SLC are dominating 5A

What SV are you watching dominate 5A. I think domination starts with a State Championship or a District Title. How do you get 2nd in district to a team you are "dominating." SV is good, but there are better teams. Just because you almost beat Judson, and you almost beat SLC doesn't make you a dominating team. And you say WE are sore. HA. Your still sore over losing to Judson in the 5th game last season. MOST SV fans have moved on to this season man, why can't you.

Lets repeat what happend in '95 and lets both win state, with the exception that Judson gets district this time.

[lonny23]

What SV are you watching dominate 5A. I think domination starts with a State Championship or a District Title. How do you get 2nd in district to a team you are "dominating." SV is good, but there are better teams. Just because you almost beat Judson, and you almost beat SLC doesn't make you a dominating team. And you say WE are sore. HA. Your still sore over losing to Judson in the 5th game last season. MOST SV fans have moved on to this season man, why can't you.

Lets repeat what happend in '95 and lets both win state, with the exception that Judson gets district this time.
I keep hoping that SV takes the attitude of their fans. You're wasting your time if you want him to give Judson credit. He hasn't done it yet and that's somewhat of a theme from numerous SV fans. I have to attribute it to envy. They want to be #1 in SA so bad that they have to discredit Judson to feel better about themselves. They've grown so used to sweeping district that they don't know what to do when somebody beats them.

[RedRage00]

They've grown so used to sweeping district that they don't know what to do when somebody beats them.

I actually agree with Lonny! Whoa, did I just say that?!?! :p

[SLCDad]

First of all...Smithson Valley is one of the top schools in the state when it comes to winning in athletics.

A winning program no doubt, but not quite a top school.

5A UIL Lone Star Cup Standings 2004-05
1. Humble Kingwood 106
2. Southlake Carroll 82
3. Conroe The Woodlands 78
4. Austin Westlake 72
5. Cedar Park 64
6. Coppell 54
7. Plano West 52
Deer Park 52
San Antonio Churchill 52
San Antonio Reagan 52

Points awarded for: Football, Baseball, Softball, Tennis, Cross Country, Volleyball, Swimming, Wrestling, Basketball, Soccer, Golf, Track & Field, Academics, One Act Play, Marching Band.

[SV05champs]

He said athletics.. Golf, academics, one act play, and marching band does not fall under this. As for football and baseball, they are a winning school.

A winning program no doubt, but not quite a top school.

5A UIL Lone Star Cup Standings 2004-05
1. Humble Kingwood 106
2. Southlake Carroll 82
3. Conroe The Woodlands 78
4. Austin Westlake 72
5. Cedar Park 64
6. Coppell 54
7. Plano West 52
Deer Park 52
San Antonio Churchill 52
San Antonio Reagan 52

Points awarded for: Football, Baseball, Softball, Tennis, Cross Country, Volleyball, Swimming, Wrestling, Basketball, Soccer, Golf, Track & Field, Academics, One Act Play, Marching Band.

[SV05champs]

Domination, top 4 5A teams in the state!


What SV are you watching dominate 5A. I think domination starts with a State Championship or a District Title. How do you get 2nd in district to a team you are "dominating." SV is good, but there are better teams. Just because you almost beat Judson, and you almost beat SLC doesn't make you a dominating team. And you say WE are sore. HA. Your still sore over losing to Judson in the 5th game last season. MOST SV fans have moved on to this season man, why can't you.

Lets repeat what happend in '95 and lets both win state, with the exception that Judson gets district this time.

[SV05champs]

Oh yea, and going to the state game in 5A twice in 3 years. Only 4 5A teams make it, and how many 5A teams are there in TX?

What SV are you watching dominate 5A. I think domination starts with a State Championship or a District Title. How do you get 2nd in district to a team you are "dominating." SV is good, but there are better teams. Just because you almost beat Judson, and you almost beat SLC doesn't make you a dominating team. And you say WE are sore. HA. Your still sore over losing to Judson in the 5th game last season. MOST SV fans have moved on to this season man, why can't you.

Lets repeat what happend in '95 and lets both win state, with the exception that Judson gets district this time.

[Bucky]

And how many years has Judson had to win it? SV has been in 5A how long? And what have they done? I think you guys are just sore that SV and SLC are dominating 5A


I guess SV opened in the early to mid 80's. And if I remember correctly they were a 3A school for quite some time. Then they were a 4A team for a while longer and are now a 5A school. Now how many state titles have they won in any classification in that same period. You guessed it...zero. Again I think SV has a great program and coach Hill does a great job..I hope they are good enough this year to beat Judson and win that title that has been hanging right in front of them for the last few years...I dont think it will happen but I hope its a better game then last year. I really think they(SV) will have a chance to beat them(JUDSON).


And by the way...3 second place finishes would not be classified as dominating in any high school coaches book..especially Coach Larry Hill's. GOOD LUCK SV RANGERS..but i wish you fans werent so damn arrogant!!

The deuce is up!!peace

[TexasRed6x]

Sv05champ - again you kep running your mouth, about being at the state game 2 out 0f 3 years, which is good, but you haven't won nothing yet. Count the championships at SLC, Katy. Odessa Permian, Midland Lee over the past 20 years now that something to talk about. I don't see many folks from those schools coming on this board and talk and talk and talk about how good they are and how they are the best and how they have been so close. I don't even see many Spring Westfield folks coming on here and talking about their team this year, which in my books is a hell much better team then SV will be this year in week 1 or week 16. Reading your threads day in and day out still saying the same old things about your district and how you are going to beat Judson this year, but guess what I bet a team like Judson is thinking about winning the state game not a district game. I sure hope school starts very soon for you, because your words are getting very old.

[Mad Hatter]

lol well i just hope we take it one game at a time....like 2 weeks till judson plays lardeo... :D

[lonny23]

Sv05champ - again you kep running your mouth, about being at the state game 2 out 0f 3 years, which is good, but you haven't won nothing yet. Count the championships at SLC, Katy. Odessa Permian, Midland Lee over the past 20 years now that something to talk about. I don't see many folks from those schools coming on this board and talk and talk and talk about how good they are and how they are the best and how they have been so close. I don't even see many Spring Westfield folks coming on here and talking about their team this year, which in my books is a hell much better team then SV will be this year in week 1 or week 16. Reading your threads day in and day out still saying the same old things about your district and how you are going to beat Judson this year, but guess what I bet a team like Judson is thinking about winning the state game not a district game. I sure hope school starts very soon for you, because your words are getting very old.
You're dead-on in your analysis. The good thing about SV is that the coaches and players don't think like the fans. They know they need to get better each week and a loss isn't the end of the world. They just move on, get better, and make good playoff runs. 2 years ago they had a lead going into the 4th before losing to Clemens and that could've been a semifinal or final run, too.

When you're on top, you don't really need to toot your own horn. Everybody knows who the great teams are and gives them their due. Judson wants to win district, but that's a goal below winning a title. Even playing in December and going undefeated are higher goals than winning district.

The biggest shame on this board is the total lack of respect that some SV fans have for Judson. It's one thing to think SV will beat them, but I get the impression that they think beating Judson is as easy as beating Lee. SV will rarely play a Judson team that's not the equivalent of a quarterfinal caliber team. Most years, they are a semifinal and title game caliber team.

[Rerun]

Talk is Cheap

[dragons08]

Talk is Cheap
unless you can back it up

[Rerun]

unless you can back it up

Right, when you can back it up and still talk then it stops being cheap and becomes classless and disrespectful

[dragons08]

Right, when you can back it up and still talk then it stops being cheap and becomes classless and disrespectful
TO comes to mind right away..

[lonny23]

Talk is Cheap
Tell my lawyer and the 1-900 numbers that! :D

[dragons08]

Tell my lawyer and the 1-900 numbers that! :D
isnt it 1-800?

[lonny23]

isnt it 1-800?
1-800 numbers are free. I don't call 1-900 numbers, but they do get costly.

[Rerun]

1-800 numbers are free. I don't call 1-900 numbers, but they do get costly.

l2k doesnt call anymore.

I do.

And yes, they are expensive.

[dragons08]

i never heard of 1-900 numbers..is it like calling card or something?

[Rerun]

No its phone sex

2.99 a minute

Expensive.

[dragons08]

No its phone sex

2.99 a minute

Expensive.
or you could get a gf

[lonny23]

i never heard of 1-900 numbers..is it like calling card or something?
No, it's for all these numbers like Psychic Connection, meet me and make friends, call girls up, etc. It's the stuff they advertise late at night on TV and in magazines that you're not old enough to buy.

[Rerun]

Seriously though, back on topic, Judson will end up having a very good regardless of what a lot think right now

[Rerun]

or you could get a gf

Or you could take a joke

[dragons08]

Or you could take a joke
or ahhh...you can realize im only 15 and pretty guilable still :D

[Rerun]

Ms. Cleo said that SLC will win again

[Rerun]

or ahhh...you can realize im only 15 and pretty guilable still :D

15

Unbeleiveable

[dragons08]

Ms. Cleo said that SLC will win again lets hope shes right, i find it funny your trying to make fun of a 15 year old haha, boy this is fun..

[dragons08]

15

Unbeleiveable
sarcasam..

[SLCDad]

He said athletics.. Golf, academics, one act play, and marching band does not fall under this. As for football and baseball, they are a winning school.

Yes, SV is a winning school in football and baseball. However they are not yet a top athletic school. Have they ever won a state championship in baseball or football? Have they ever won a state championship in anything? Have they ever ranked in the top 10 in the Lone Star Cup (which is mostly for athletics)?

[RedRage00]

Have they ever ranked in the top 10 in the Lone Star Cup (which is mostly for athletics)?

V. Memorial was Top 10 2 out of the last 3 years although we aren't king at football our girls golf team could beat you down :p

[dragons08]

V. Memorial was Top 10 2 out of the last 3 years although we aren't king at football our girls golf team could beat you down :p
our boys golf team was pretty dang good

[SV05champs]

Just consider this, if SV goes to state in a few sports every year (which they do), yet another teams never goes past area, but they won a state championship in football one time, does that make them a top athletic school? My point is, one act play, band, and academics are not sports. As for track, cross country, swimming, tennis and golf, these are individual sports. If you look at a schools team sports, there are football, baseball, soccer, softball, volleyball, and basketball. SV does very well in football, baseball, soccer, and softball year end and year out. So I guess SV is not a top athletic school when you consider one act play, band, and other non-sports in the mix. As for the Lone Star Cup, it DOES rank Band, One act play, and Academic Meets, as well as individual sports. IF you really want me to get started about the Lone Star Cup, we need to start a whole new link. You get almost 3X more points for winning one act play than you do for making the winning your district and making the playoffs in football. You should check out the site. Acually if your football team won the state championship, they would only get 4 more points than the one act play champion, the band champion, or the academic meet champion. I would like to know the breakdown of the current champions points Humble Kingwood, anyone know?




Yes, SV is a winning school in football and baseball. However they are not yet a top athletic school. Have they ever won a state championship in baseball or football? Have they ever won a state championship in anything? Have they ever ranked in the top 10 in the Lone Star Cup (which is mostly for athletics)?

[SV05champs]

One more thing about the lone star cup, both Chuchill, and Reagan are ranked in the top 10. SV is better in football (22-0, 34-13), baseball, softball, volleyball, and soccer than these two schools. I could not find any info on basketball. So what "events" did these two schools do better in?



Yes, SV is a winning school in football and baseball. However they are not yet a top athletic school. Have they ever won a state championship in baseball or football? Have they ever won a state championship in anything? Have they ever ranked in the top 10 in the Lone Star Cup (which is mostly for athletics)?

[JC73]

One more thing about the lone star cup, both Chuchill, and Reagan are ranked in the top 10. SV is better in football (22-0, 34-13), baseball, softball, volleyball, and soccer than these two schools. I could not find any info on basketball. So what "events" did these two schools do better in?


Please stop making SV fans look bad with all this crap. SV is a great school with a great program. Yes people, I think they are great. Please don't lump all SV fans with the ones on this board. Please keep the concept of a message board in perspective also. What percentage of SV fans are actually on this board. There is just a few posters here. Judson fans back off a bit. Yes, you are the king of SA area football until some body proves otherwise.

[Mad Hatter]

hey your not that great in Soccer sure u can beat up on harlandale ans Southwest when u were in there district but u havent even came close to winning district in soccer,or basketball in either since u moved into 26-5A.

[lonny23]

Please stop making SV fans look bad with all this crap. SV is a great school with a great program. Yes people, I think they are great. Please don't lump all SV fans with the ones on this board. Please keep the concept of a message board in perspective also. What percentage of SV fans are actually on this board. There is just a few posters here. Judson fans back off a bit. Yes, you are the king of SA area football until some body proves otherwise.
Thanks. I'm willing to call a truce or Armistice. That's because we'll go back to war in a few weeks. It's like the Korean War that was never officially declared over.

[SV05champs]

2004 was the last I found on the guys soccer, they were co-champs in 27-5A, as for the girls, they WERE Area champs last year, remember, lone star give points for guys and girls sports. But even if they were not any good as soccer or basketball (which they are not cause they are still playing football) they are good at all the other sports, even in 26-5A


hey your not that great in Soccer sure u can beat up on harlandale ans Southwest when u were in there district but u havent even came close to winning district in soccer,or basketball in either since u moved into 26-5A.

[SV05champs]

Dude, get over it, and quit that butt kissing. How am I making anyone look bad? I am discussing the Lone Star Cup. Thats all. If you dont like it dont read it. You must be taking things the wrong way. When people toss that crap about the Lone Star Cup around, I will discuss why SV is not in it. Am I wrong about the crappy LSC system or not?



Please stop making SV fans look bad with all this crap. SV is a great school with a great program. Yes people, I think they are great. Please don't lump all SV fans with the ones on this board. Please keep the concept of a message board in perspective also. What percentage of SV fans are actually on this board. There is just a few posters here. Judson fans back off a bit. Yes, you are the king of SA area football until some body proves otherwise.

[Mad Hatter]

so sad now your hating on your own friends.... :rolleyes:

[dragonsdaddy]

the lsc points are possibly skewed away from some sports and towards the academics, but they are the only measureable process within the uil to make the comparisons. someones within the uil made up the power numbers. complain to them.

Dude, get over it, and quit that butt kissing. How am I making anyone look bad? I am discussing the Lone Star Cup. Thats all. If you dont like it dont read it. You must be taking things the wrong way. When people toss that crap about the Lone Star Cup around, I will discuss why SV is not in it. Am I wrong about the crappy LSC system or not?

[SV05champs]

Like you said it doesnt measure athletics. So people should not use it to do so, even if it is the only measureable process (but it isnt).


the lsc points are possibly skewed away from some sports and towards the academics, but they are the only measureable process within the uil to make the comparisons. someones within the uil made up the power numbers. complain to them.

[SV05champs]

So sad to think someone on this board is a friend....... :rolleyes: I dont know this guy.. And I was not picking on him.


so sad now your hating on your own friends.... :rolleyes:

[dragonsdaddy]

Like you said it doesnt measure athletics. So people should not use it to do so, even if it is the only measureable process (but it isnt).
it isn't measureable or it isn't the only process? i'm confused, again.

[RedRage00]

One more thing about the lone star cup, both Chuchill, and Reagan are ranked in the top 10. SV is better in football (22-0, 34-13), baseball, softball, volleyball, and soccer than these two schools. I could not find any info on basketball. So what "events" did these two schools do better in?

SV is not better than Churchill in volleyball...Churchill was ranked #3 in the nation last season and lost to Clark in the Region 4 Final. Churchill won state girls swimming title I think.

Stop being a hater :cool:

[RedRage00]

Dude, get over it, and quit that butt kissing. How am I making anyone look bad? I am discussing the Lone Star Cup. Thats all. If you dont like it dont read it. You must be taking things the wrong way. When people toss that crap about the Lone Star Cup around, I will discuss why SV is not in it. Am I wrong about the crappy LSC system or not?

you're just bitter b/c SV is not in the Top 10...what would you be saying if they were? We wouldn't be hearing all your b*tchin' that's for sure!

[SV05champs]

Last I could get on that was 2003 when they were district champs. Not hating, just stating the facts I have. All other are current.

SV is not better than Churchill in volleyball...Churchill was ranked #3 in the nation last season and lost to Clark in the Region 4 Final. Churchill won state girls swimming title I think.

Stop being a hater :cool:

[SV05champs]

I would not use the Lone Star Cup as a reference, thats for sure. Do you think it is a good measuring system for athletics? With band, academics, and one act play included?


you're just bitter b/c SV is not in the Top 10...what would you be saying if they were? We wouldn't be hearing all your b*tchin' that's for sure!

[SV05champs]

I know it gets hard sometimes, but every once in a while you have to break things down. It sucks. Anyway, one of your draggon buddys decided to use the lone star cup as a way to determine the best athletic school, and said that the lone star cup measures athletic performance. Yes it does, but just like all the others, it ALSO includes band, academics, and one act play. He said it didnt, then someone else said it was all we had (but doesnt just measure athletics). ""Like you said it doesnt measure athletics. So people should not use it to do so, even if it is the only measureable process (but it isnt)."" Now here is the breakdown---IT (being the lone star cup) isnt measurable when it comes to JUST athletics, SO people should not use it ( the lone star cup) to measure a schools performance in athletics. For the second part of the sentence---""even if it is the only measureable process (but it isnt)"" Someone said it was all we had at the current time to measure-- even if it is the only measurable process, you still can't depend on it for a schools athletic performance, my last part in quotes states that IT (being the lone star cup) isnt the only measurable process (it is no different than any other, it still includes individual sports, and non-sports, and cant be used to measure a schools athletic performance.
OK, did you get it that time? :o Or just NO, and NO



it isn't measureable or it isn't the only process? i'm confused, again.

[dragons08]

I would not use the Lone Star Cup as a reference, thats for sure. Do you think it is a good measuring system for athletics? With band, academics, and one act play included?
yea, cause you get atheltic credits for it, so shouldnt it be included for atheltics? i mean it dont matter to me, i get my atheltic credit for soccer, but for those who dont play a sport and do marching band, you get your athetlic credit

[dragonsdaddy]

got tired head and lost all interest in whatever arguement we were having. was it important?

[dragons08]

got tired head and lost all interest in whatever arguement we were having. was it important?
lonestar cup, how it doesnt really prove something about something, cause band and stuff like that is involed..

[garlandowl08]

why is the lonestar cup bogus...its for the best UIL school, right? isnt band UIL?

[dragons08]

why is the lonestar cup bogus...its for the best UIL school, right? isnt band UIL?
yep, its just svchamp05, being all pissed off because their not in the top 10, because of band or what ever, hes just making excuses..

[SV05champs]

I love it when you SLC guys know you dont have an argument, you start dissing people, its great. Is it an excuse? How many of those top 10 teams are worth a crap in football?



yep, its just svchamp05, being all pissed off because their not in the top 10, because of band or what ever, hes just making excuses..

[dragonsdaddy]

tired head tired head tired head

[Reaganrattler07]

Just cause your not good in football doesnt mean that the school as a whole is not good.

[dragons08]

I love it when you SLC guys know you dont have an argument, you start dissing people, its great. Is it an excuse? How many of those top 10 teams are worth a crap in football?
what are you talking about? you have no clue what your talking about, since when is football your whole atheltic program, never, southlake is great at all of their atheltic programs, which is why were ranked like that, along wiht the other 9 schools, just cause SV is good at football they should suddenly be consider best at atheltics?

[dragons08]

Just cause your not good in football doesnt mean that the school as a whole is not good.
that is also another point that goes against svchamp..

[RedRage00]

I love it when you SLC guys know you dont have an argument, you start dissing people, its great. Is it an excuse? How many of those top 10 teams are worth a crap in football?


SA Reagan kicks butt in everything but football. That school deserves to be in the Top 10 in the Lonestar Cup.

Churchill has sooooo many State Championships that its not even funny. I remember reading an article in the paper and it listed their state titles since the school opened :eek: This past year they won the Girls State Swimming title to add to their collection.

The only thing you hear about SV is football. They did do well in baseball this year, but that is rare...CC Moody will be back on top of Region IV next season.

Stick to football!

[SV05champs]

See that is the entire point of this, its not just football. But it isnt academics, band, or one act play either. Those have a huge impact on the top 10 is all I am saying. Also, SV is very good at other sports as well.


what are you talking about? you have no clue what your talking about, since when is football your whole atheltic program, never, southlake is great at all of their atheltic programs, which is why were ranked like that, along wiht the other 9 schools, just cause SV is good at football they should suddenly be consider best at atheltics?

[SV05champs]

Yea they went to state in baseball and football. But what we need to remember is that it is the past year, not the school history. This past year they won the state girls swimming title you say, what else did they do to get points? I know football didnt add any. This is my point, how many of their points come from the non-sports?

QUOTE=RedRage00]SA Reagan kicks butt in everything but football. That school deserves to be in the Top 10 in the Lonestar Cup.

Churchill has sooooo many State Championships that its not even funny. I remember reading an article in the paper and it listed their state titles since the school opened :eek: This past year they won the Girls State Swimming title to add to their collection.

The only thing you hear about SV is football. They did do well in baseball this year, but that is rare...CC Moody will be back on top of Region IV next season.

Stick to football![/QUOTE]

[drgnbkr]

What SV05...are you arguing with yourself now?

[SV05champs]

Do you ever go to bed? Even when you hit 10,000 post, you still will not be a better man...nor will you know any more than someone with 1 post.


What SV05...are you arguing with yourself now?

[RedRage00]

Yea they went to state in baseball and football. But what we need to remember is that it is the past year, not the school history. This past year they won the state girls swimming title you say, what else did they do to get points? I know football didnt add any. This is my point, how many of their points come from the non-sports?

QUOTE=RedRage00]SA Reagan kicks butt in everything but football. That school deserves to be in the Top 10 in the Lonestar Cup.

Churchill has sooooo many State Championships that its not even funny. I remember reading an article in the paper and it listed their state titles since the school opened :eek: This past year they won the Girls State Swimming title to add to their collection.

The only thing you hear about SV is football. They did do well in baseball this year, but that is rare...CC Moody will be back on top of Region IV next season.

Stick to football![/QUOTE]

I don't know Churchill's history because I don't go there....but I know they won state in girls swimming and they made the Region IV final in girls volleyball, their girls and boys golf team won the Region as well. I remember that because their girls dethroned the Defending 5A Champs Lady Vipers for the Region IV title in girls golf.


SV? All I remember is football and baseball. Nothing else.

[RedRage00]

Do you ever go to bed? Even when you hit 10,000 post, you still will not be a better man...nor will you know any more than someone with 1 post.

Dude let it go! SV is not a Top 10 Athletic/Academic school in Texas. There are worse things in life! You'll be ok! Life will go on!

Victoria was in the Top 10 in 2003 and 2004..but not 2005...You don't see me crying!

RR

[SV05champs]

Again, we are on the same path, I too remember football and baseball. Throw in softball, basketball, and volleyball then rate the school. Golf is not a sport, one act play is not a sport, band IS NOT a sport, academics are important, but not a sport. They also have other areas to rate that. Again, I wish someone would find a way to find out where these schools points really come from in the Lone Star race.



I don't know Churchill's history because I don't go there....but I know they won state in girls swimming and they made the Region IV final in girls volleyball, their girls and boys golf team won the Region as well. I remember that because their girls dethroned the Defending 5A Champs Lady Vipers for the Region IV title in girls golf.


SV? All I remember is football and baseball. Nothing else.[/QUOTE]

[CCHS77]

http://www.uil.utexas.edu/ath/lonestar.html

[SV05champs]

Yea, had that like 3 weeks ago, now where did the top 10 schools get their points? From sports or non-sport events? ex. 1. Humble Kingwood 106. what did this school do to get 106 points? Win one act play, band, tennis, golf, etc.




http://www.uil.utexas.edu/ath/lonestar.html

[drgnbkr]

It's mostly sports...the schools in the top ten are those that are the most successfull in all sports & a few other competitions....

[SV05champs]

Lol, here we go again. Can you break it down and prove it for the school that was at the top? Almost half of your points could easily come from band, one act play, academics, and indivdual sports.

We need to rank them on these, and see how it would turn out. School team sports. Trash all the others. Some schools do not even have a swim team.

Team Sports Boys: Girls:
Baseball Basketball
Basketball Soccer (4A & 5A only)
Football Softball
Soccer (4A & 5A only) Volleyball



It's mostly sports...the schools in the top ten are those that are the most successfull in all sports & a few other competitions....

[drgnbkr]

So you don't like the result?...Just keep changing the rules...that works I guess...kind of like the Democrats tried to pull in Florida in 2000? Maybe there is a competition listed somewhere where your guys are #1..in all the others that I know of ..you have to earn it... :cool:

[lonny23]

So you don't like the result?...Just keep changing the rules...that works I guess...kind of like the Democrats tried to pull in Florida in 2000? Maybe there is a competition listed somewhere where your guys are #1..in all the others that I know of ..you have to earn it... :cool:
I'll tell you what they win. They have the best looking girls in San Antonio schools. That is a credit to Smithson Valley and the rest of the competition from other schools lag far behind.

Otherwise, this has turned into the worst thread I ever remember seeing! I came here hoping we'd actually be talking about Judson again.

[RedRage00]

Lol, here we go again. Can you break it down and prove it for the school that was at the top? Almost half of your points could easily come from band, one act play, academics, and indivdual sports.

We need to rank them on these, and see how it would turn out. School team sports. Trash all the others. Some schools do not even have a swim team.

Team Sports Boys: Girls:
Baseball Basketball
Basketball Soccer (4A & 5A only)
Football Softball
Soccer (4A & 5A only) Volleyball

How can you say golf is not a sport?

Anyway, if you want to see SV move up in the standings then you should tell their band director to take lessons from Reagan cause SV band stinks LOL

These are the OVERALL TOP UIL SCHOOLS IN TX...SV AINT ON IT! GET OVER IT!

RR

[SV05champs]

Im over it, does not matter to me, but dont use it to judge athletics! That is all I am saying. And NO golf is not a sport. As for Lonny's statment, there is NO school with girls like SV, and there will never be. Please dont talk about SV's band, :rolleyes:



How can you say golf is not a sport?

Anyway, if you want to see SV move up in the standings then you should tell their band director to take lessons from Reagan cause SV band stinks LOL

These are the OVERALL TOP UIL SCHOOLS IN TX...SV AINT ON IT! GET OVER IT!

RR

[RedRage00]

there is NO school with girls like SV, and there will never be.

yeah, they're snobby! I wouldn't want girls like that! LOL

RR

[dragonsdaddy]

lonny drop in and see some of the dallas area girls--on second thought don't. i'm glad hs girls didn't look like they do now 40 years ago or i prolly wouldn't have ever graduated. i can't imagine being a fresh, young unmarried coach taking a job at a local hs and not being convicted of some heinous crime within the year. isn't that why they claimed to be putting saltpeter in the salt tablets during football season.

[lonny23]

lonny drop in and see some of the dallas area girls--on second thought don't. i'm glad hs girls didn't look like they do now 40 years ago or i prolly wouldn't have ever graduated. i can't imagine being a fresh, young unmarried coach taking a job at a local hs and not being convicted of some heinous crime within the year. isn't that why they claimed to be putting saltpeter in the salt tablets during football season.
Hey, I agree about the girls. I threw SV out there because I knew that was something that was definitively better about SV over the rest of the town. It's a shame that every day on Sheppard AFB and every day in Wichita Falls is a lot easier on the eyes than a major city like San Antonio.

[RedRage00]

Hey, I agree about the girls. I threw SV out there because I knew that was something that was definitively better about SV over the rest of the town. It's a shame that every day on Sheppard AFB and every day in Wichita Falls is a lot easier on the eyes than a major city like San Antonio.

Converse has some nasty ch*cks too UGH!!

[SV05champs]

WHAT?


yeah, they're snobby! I wouldn't want girls like that! But then again, I like boys and not girls, so thats just me.. LOL

RR

[RedRage00]

WHAT?

How childish and immature changing a quote. :rolleyes:

[dragonsdaddy]

maybe rr is of the xx persuasion possibly.

[RedRage00]

maybe rr is of the xx persuasion possibly.


He changed my quote DD....what an idiot!

RR

[dragonsdaddy]

He changed my quote DD....what an idiot!

RR

well rr, we agree on that at least.

[dragons08]

Again, we are on the same path, I too remember football and baseball. Throw in softball, basketball, and volleyball then rate the school. Golf is not a sport, one act play is not a sport, band IS NOT a sport, academics are important, but not a sport. They also have other areas to rate that. Again, I wish someone would find a way to find out where these schools points really come from in the Lone Star race.



I don't know Churchill's history because I don't go there....but I know they won state in girls swimming and they made the Region IV final in girls volleyball, their girls and boys golf team won the Region as well. I remember that because their girls dethroned the Defending 5A Champs Lady Vipers for the Region IV title in girls golf.


SV? All I remember is football and baseball. Nothing else.[/QUOTE]

golf not a sport? are you just talking for the sake of blabbing about nothing? why cant you just take the fact that SV isnt a top 10? honestly man, lonestar cup includes, oh i dont know all the UIL stuff, band, oh look UIL, on act play oh look UIL, if you get an atheltic credit for it, shoulndt it be atheltics? being in the heat for 5 hours 5 days a week, starting aug 1, thats a pain in the rear end, you have to have some "atheltic" abilty to standi n the heat for that long, let alone blow and walk around, im curious what is your "atheltic" talent, i play soccer, so i can say i have an atheltic talent, is yours just "aruging for fun", maybe we should make that a UIL sport, maybe that'll raise your rankings in the lonestar cup wat you think of that?

[dragons08]

He changed my quote DD....what an idiot!

RR
member, he loves to argue about nothing, so you proved him wrong about something, and so hes just strating a lil "controversy" for aruging..

[Rocketman81]

You and I both know that it was LUCK against Midland High, or accually IDIOT coaching on the defense. With two guys on the 20 yard line, and the corners playing off the ball, yes you may have completed that pass, but there should have been 2-3 or even 4 guys to beat to get into the endzone. There was no skill to that play or good coaching call. Thats all I said.

I was not a great fan of Rackley at this point. Had Rutledge been coching on the side lines in that game Judson probably does not win. I give Rackley credit for that play call. Last years game in the semi's, Rackleys agressive play call in the 2nd qtr on your own 30 and 4th down led to the loss in that game.

[Reaganrattler07]

SA Reagan kicks butt in everything but football. That school deserves to be in the Top 10 in the Lonestar Cup.

Churchill has sooooo many State Championships that its not even funny. I remember reading an article in the paper and it listed their state titles since the school opened :eek: This past year they won the Girls State Swimming title to add to their collection.

The only thing you hear about SV is football. They did do well in baseball this year, but that is rare...CC Moody will be back on top of Region IV next season.

Stick to football!

Thank you, Red Rage for what you said about Reagan....I hadn't seen it until now.

And I do agree.....thats kinda low changing a quote.

[Rerun]

SV doing well in baseball is rare? :confused:

What are you blazing?
:confused: :confused: :confused:
Musta been something you picked up in Converse but come on now, SV is always good in baseball.

[Reaganrattler07]

One more thing about the lone star cup, both Chuchill, and Reagan are ranked in the top 10. SV is better in football (22-0, 34-13), baseball, softball, volleyball, and soccer than these two schools. I could not find any info on basketball. So what "events" did these two schools do better in?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA...man, your funny. Reagan and Churchill Volleyball are in the Top 3 programs in San Antonio (Clark is the other). Soccer? In District Boys had 7 1/2 pts and SV had 7. (This was an off year for guys soccer) and Churchill guys decimated SV guys. As for girls soccer, Reagan decimated the SV girls. And as for basketball....haha, this is the best part. Guys I think were like 1-13 in District....the same District Reagan has won for...lets see, three? No, four times. Reagan girls even beat Smithson Valley (and Reagan girls bball kinda sucks). Churchill Boys I think beat SV and Churchill girls bball advanced deep into the playoffs.

So all in all SV05Champs, get your info right. SV is not better than Reagan or Churchill. That's wishful thinking, but they're not. And if you want "unbiased" proof. Here's a link to the San Antonio Express News where Reagan and Churchill were ranked the two top 5A schools in the San Antonio Area....Smithsvon Valley could only manage a seventh place finish...Judson got third and even SA Macarthur was able to get past y'all.

[dragons08]

redskins88, notice every time i or somebody else prooves him wrong, he wont say anything back, and just pick up a new arugment, or aruge with himself, this guy is a nut case

[Reaganrattler07]

...he's giving SV a bad name. But all the SV fans i've known/seen act kinda like him so maybe it's a schoolwide thing...

[dragons08]

...he's giving SV a bad name. But all the SV fans i've known/seen act kinda like him so maybe it's a schoolwide thing...
yea he definatly is giving SV a bad name, i mean basically by his sense, SLC should of won the lonestar cup, because were good at football...we got 2nd instead, and thats great, all of our sports teams except boys soccer made the playoffs, our band got 1's at UIL, so for him to just say "SV is good at baseball and football, so they deserve to be top 10" is just bs, i wish this dude would have some facts before he aruges with us about how this and that...

[Reaganrattler07]

SV is good at football and baseball but that DOES NOT make them the best school in the area. Reagan and Churchill have better programs all around. Reagan was the best band in the city, with Churchill at second and Churchill was like 5th best band in State with Reagan at 8.

Reagan was built to relieve Churchill...I wonder what it'd of been like if Reagan was never built. That might've been one of the best schools in the state.

[dragons08]

SV is good at football and baseball but that DOES NOT make them the best school in the area. Reagan and Churchill have better programs all around. Reagan was the best band in the city, with Churchill at second and Churchill was like 5th best band in State with Reagan at 8.

Reagan was built to relieve Churchill...I wonder what it'd of been like if Reagan was never built. That might've been one of the best schools in the state.
your band made it to state, nicely done...we made it to ahh, the level right before state...what ever that is...we were with like LD Bell, Haltom, Richland, all the ones that are insanley good at marching band..

[Reaganrattler07]

I think they're preparing for National this year (they do it every other year)... a few of my friends on drumline tell me this sort of stuff but Band is a lil bit more confusing...lol.

[dragons08]

I think they're preparing for National this year (they do it every other year)... a few of my friends on drumline tell me this sort of stuff but Band is a lil bit more confusing...lol.
yea its confusing, maybe it wouldnt be if i paid attention...im glad they have the "band email" thing, my mom keeps me informed, otherwise id have no idea

[Reaganrattler07]

Haha, thats kinda like me....i just let someone else deal with it and explain it to me. Haha.

[dragons08]

Haha, thats kinda like me....i just let someone else deal with it and explain it to me. Haha.
makes life easier, cause when somebody else explains it, its usually shorter and to the point

[Reaganrattler07]

Exactly....thats why I dont watch/listen to speeches or whatever.....they normally go 20 minutes to explain a single point. Like in US History we were reading our textbooks the other day, we were reading the constitution and it's in Ye Olde English, so i just look on the side to where it explains wat the amendments are or whatever

[dragons08]

Exactly....thats why I dont watch/listen to speeches or whatever.....they normally go 20 minutes to explain a single point. Like in US History we were reading our textbooks the other day, we were reading the constitution and it's in Ye Olde English, so i just look on the side to where it explains wat the amendments are or whatever
hahaha yea, i do that all the time, try to find the lil things that tell wahts its about, spark notes help a ton

[Reaganrattler07]

Haha, we were reading Macbeth last year and I was in Barnes and Noble trying to find the book and I found the sparknotes version of the book....that book became my best friend. It listed everything in Shakespear language, then had it in normal english. Helped out a lot.

[dragons08]

Haha, we were reading Macbeth last year and I was in Barnes and Noble trying to find the book and I found the sparknotes version of the book....that book became my best friend. It listed everything in Shakespear language, then had it in normal english. Helped out a lot.
you can get sparknotes online...just print them off..

[Reaganrattler07]

Yeah, but I could just buy the book for like 8 bucks and then bring it to class and everything....

[dragons08]

Yeah, but I could just buy the book for like 8 bucks and then bring it to class and everything....
so could prinintg them off...for free...

[Reaganrattler07]

Paper and toner.....

Paper is like 8 bucks for a pack?
Ink is like 60-70 for black and color?

And the whole book is "translated"

[dragons08]

Paper and toner.....

Paper is like 8 bucks for a pack?
Ink is like 60-70 for black and color?

And the whole book is "translated"
haha now your being a smart @$$ hahaha, sparknotes online= spark notes book, same exact thing, word for word, and you can resize the font, to get a lot more on a page

[Reaganrattler07]

Hahaha maybe...but i'd rather have the book. Now that I used it for like a quarter, it's just collecting dust on my bookshelf. With the actual copy of Macbeth.