Mr. Clutch of All Time!? - Big Papi

[Favpack]

Since the beginning of the 2005 season - David Ortiz of the Red Sox has come to the plate in a "walk-off situation" 13 times. This could be in extra innings or in the 9th, but if his team goes ahead with the necessary runs, they win - easy enough.

In those 13 at bats...

he's made an out once
he's been walked 4 times, include 3 intentionally

he's gotten a game winning hit 8 times

And, of those game-winning hits, 5 have been home-runs.

That is almost incomprehensible.

[dragons08]

i concur...amazing how he ALWAYS comes through in clutch, tkaing jee-tah's spot as mr. clutch

[TexasRed6x]

Yeah he always finds a way to win. He's made for those kinds of situations. There is no pitching to that guy. I would walk him and Manny and hope for a double play ball and get an out from Mike Lowell. If I were a pitcher with a lead with Ortiz at the plate, I would walk him or else he's gonna make you pay.

[southlake thug]

Yeah what was it this week, 2 game winning hr's in 3 days? Unbelivable

[Favpack]

Actually - even more impressive. The one lone out he made was this year in the 9th inning against Philly. He came back in the 12th and won the game with a single!!

Who you want? Ortiz or A-Rod?

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Actually - even more impressive. The one lone out he made was this year in the 9th inning against Philly. He came back in the 12th and won the game with a single!!

Who you want? Ortiz or A-Rod?

Gimme the big guy!;)

[TexasRed6x]

Actually - even more impressive. The one lone out he made was this year in the 9th inning against Philly. He came back in the 12th and won the game with a single!!

Who you want? Ortiz or A-Rod?
Ortiz. A-Rod is struggling and he isn't the clutch hitter he once was. Big Papi is the most feared hitter in baseball right now.

[southlake thug]

Actually - even more impressive. The one lone out he made was this year in the 9th inning against Philly. He came back in the 12th and won the game with a single!!

Who you want? Ortiz or A-Rod?


Hitting: Ortiz
If I was building a team, I would still want the all-around player : Give me A-Rod.

Ortiz is the best DH by far in the game, but all he will ever be is a DH. I got plenty of respect for how he plays, but I would rather take the all-around player most days of the week.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Hitting: Ortiz
If I was building a team, I would still want the all-around player : Give me A-Rod.

Ortiz is the best DH by far in the game, but all he will ever be is a DH. I got plenty of respect for how he plays, but I would rather take the all-around player most days of the week.

i like your point!

[Primetime536]

Hitting: Ortiz
If I was building a team, I would still want the all-around player : Give me A-Rod.

Ortiz is the best DH by far in the game, but all he will ever be is a DH. I got plenty of respect for how he plays, but I would rather take the all-around player most days of the week.
You would rather take arod?

hmm...yea he is more of an all around player...but is he worth 25 mil?

Hell no

ill take Big Papppi

[farmerfan]

Yeah what was it this week, 2 game winning hr's in 3 days? Unbelivable

actually on saturday he hit a single to beat the shift to beat Anaheim and then hit the homer on monday against Cleveland.
He is the most clutch player I have ever seen in baseball and second in all of sports behind only MJ. Of course when you have Manny hitting behind you that will help you out tremendously. The guy is solidifying his posistion to be MVP this year. Now if only we can avoid another collapse as the yanks have pulled even in the standings.

[farmerfan]

You would rather take arod?

hmm...yea he is more of an all around player...but is he worth 25 mil?

Hell no

ill take Big Papppi

all he was saying was that he would take him to start a team and his points are valid.

[farmerfan]

Since the beginning of the 2005 season - David Ortiz of the Red Sox has come to the plate in a "walk-off situation" 13 times. This could be in extra innings or in the 9th, but if his team goes ahead with the necessary runs, they win - easy enough.

In those 13 at bats...

he's made an out once
he's been walked 4 times, include 3 intentionally

he's gotten a game winning hit 8 times

And, of those game-winning hits, 5 have been home-runs.

That is almost incomprehensible.

dont forget the end of 2004 too. against Anaheim in game three he hit the game winning homer to end the ALDS. In the ALCS he had the game 4 homer in the 12th as well as the game 5 bloop single in the 11th and you might want to take into consideration the 8th inning homer he hit off of Gordon to tie the game in game 5.
So that would be 11 game winning hits with 7 being homers in 16 chances :eek:

[southlake thug]

actually on saturday he hit a single to beat the shift to beat Anaheim and then hit the homer on monday against Cleveland.
He is the most clutch player I have ever seen in baseball and second in all of sports behind only MJ. Of course when you have Manny hitting behind you that will help you out tremendously. The guy is solidifying his posistion to be MVP this year. Now if only we can avoid another collapse as the yanks have pulled even in the standings.

Ah I do remember that now.

but farmer- what are your sox going to do about catcher? I see former Ranger Ken Huckaby got called up, and my boy Hee Sop Choi was released from the minors. Whats up with that? Hah i remember when he hit like 3 or 4 homers in a game last year. He quickly dropped off the map. I doubt it would be able to work, but that would be good if we could work out a waiver deal with barajas. If only the trade deadline were a couple of days later.

[farmerfan]

Ah I do remember that now.

but farmer- what are your sox going to do about catcher? I see former Ranger Ken Huckaby got called up, and my boy Hee Sop Choi was released from the minors. Whats up with that? Hah i remember when he hit like 3 or 4 homers in a game last year. He quickly dropped off the map. I doubt it would be able to work, but that would be good if we could work out a waiver deal with barajas. If only the trade deadline were a couple of days later.


Mirabelli will take over the starting duties with Huckaby possibly seeing a few innings. However I doubt Huckaby will see much time considering that Mirabelli has fresh legs in that he only catches every fifth day. I have always loved Doug and he is a fan favorite at Fenway, I think he will step up and do some big things for us. He has a good stick and is one of the better defensive catchers in the game.
The thing that sucks for the Tek and Trot injury is how one happend the day before the deadline and the other a few hours after the deadline. I nevger wanted Abreu and hopefully Willie Mo will step up and prove he can be a everyday player. This is where we will find out what were made of.

[yankee]

i concur...amazing how he ALWAYS comes through in clutch, tkaing jee-tah's spot as mr. clutch
jeter has 4 world series rings, big papi has one. going on that, he is also been called the new mr. october after reggie jackson was called that. there's no question ortiz is clutch. he's simply amazing and must have ice running through his veins but saying he takes the place of jeter, i have to argue on that one.

[Favpack]

jeter has 4 world series rings, big papi has one. going on that, he is also been called the new mr. october after the late reggie jackson was called that. there's no question ortiz is clutch. he's simply amazing and must have ice running through his veins but saying he takes the place of jeter, i have to argue on that one.


Did Reggie pass??

[yankee]

Did Reggie pass??
no. i misworded it, sorry. he's actually on the yankees staff working with hitters.

[SVite]

Ortiz. A-Rod is struggling and he isn't the clutch hitter he once was. Big Papi is the most feared hitter in baseball right now.

Dont let the Cardinal fans hear you, they`ve got a pretty clutch guy over there too:D

[TexasRed6x]

Dont let the Cardinal fans hear you, they`ve got a pretty clutch guy over there too:D
Yeah Pujols is having one hell of a year. I expect him to be a dangerous threat again soon.

[southlake thug]

Yeah Pujols is having one hell of a year. I expect him to be a dangerous threat again soon.


And you can expect to see Texiera up there soon also. HE'S BACK!!
2 more HR's today. That was a bad slump he was in, but he will continue this rampage and the Rangers will go on to win the AL West!

[farmerfan]

Dont let the Cardinal fans hear you, they`ve got a pretty clutch guy over there too:D

as far as clutch is concerned no one and I mean no one comes close to Papi, the numbers dont lie look them up in late inning presure situations and Ortiz is just about perfect. The Cardinals have the greatest fans in all of baseball and I am willing to bet that a vast majority of them will agree with favpack and the rest when saying Big Papi is the most clutch in all of baseball.

[farmerfan]

And you can expect to see Texiera up there soon also. HE'S BACK!!
2 more HR's today. That was a bad slump he was in, but he will continue this rampage and the Rangers will go on to win the AL West!

About damn time. At least he picked the perfect time to do so, how many games against the A's and Angels do the rangers have left? The "forgotten" West might be the best race in all of baseball come late september.

[farmerfan]

jeter has 4 world series rings, big papi has one. going on that, he is also been called the new mr. october after reggie jackson was called that. there's no question ortiz is clutch. he's simply amazing and must have ice running through his veins but saying he takes the place of jeter, i have to argue on that one.

in clutch situations he does take the place of jeter, in fact as far as popularity within their own cities he is quickly approaching Jeter level in Boston. Papi has become the next Teddy and Yaz to Bostonians.
Plus Jeter was not refered to as Mr October, he was refered to as Mr November going back to his efforts in games 4 and 5 against Arizona in 2001, a effort that I may add resulted in a series loss :D
With the game on the line and you could pick one guy to be at the plate, who would you take, Jeter or Papi? Dont let bias get in the way either.

[dragonsdaddy]

i really don't think there is much room for choice. papi it is.

[TexasRed6x]

And you can expect to see Texiera up there soon also. HE'S BACK!!
2 more HR's today. That was a bad slump he was in, but he will continue this rampage and the Rangers will go on to win the AL West!
Yeah he has been in a big slump but he is a Twins killer. He won't get 40 HR like he did last year but he may get 30-35 HR this year.

[yankee]

in clutch situations he does take the place of jeter, in fact as far as popularity within their own cities he is quickly approaching Jeter level in Boston. Papi has become the next Teddy and Yaz to Bostonians.
Plus Jeter was not refered to as Mr October, he was refered to as Mr November going back to his efforts in games 4 and 5 against Arizona in 2001, a effort that I may add resulted in a series loss :D
With the game on the line and you could pick one guy to be at the plate, who would you take, Jeter or Papi? Dont let bias get in the way either.
uh, and where was boston? right, sitting in their cape cod homes watching another world series pass them up. and jeter HAS been referred to as mr. october...he comes through in the playoffs year after year. and if i had to pick on recent performances, no doubt mr. ortiz.... but as far as playoffs i gotta go with dj.

[farmerfan]

uh, and where was boston? right, sitting in their cape cod homes watching another world series pass them up. and jeter HAS been referred to as mr. october...he comes through in the playoffs year after year. and if i had to pick on recent performances, no doubt mr. ortiz.... but as far as playoffs i gotta go with dj.

Werent yall doing the same thing? I mean yall didnt win the world series so yall were just allowing one to pass you up.
Lets be fair about playoffs here, Ortiz has played in 38 playoff games compared to the 115 that Jeter has played in, not everyone can benefit from the likes of playing with Mattingly, Boggs, Williams, Mussina, Pettite, Clemens, Martinez and the likes. I think in order to be fair we you would have to take the stats of Ortiz and Jeter since 2003 when Papi joined the Sox. Let me break it down for you:

Winning Percentage:
Ortiz - 58% at 17-12
Jeter 54% at 18-15

Batting Average:
Ortiz - .377
Jeter - .292

Hits
Ortiz - 43
Jeter - 41

HR
Ortiz - 8 (5 against a Jeter team)
Jeter - 5 (1 against a Ortiz team)

RBI's
Ortiz - 28
Jeter - 19

Doubles
Jeter 8
Ortiz 8

Triples
Ortiz - 1 :eek:
Jeter - 0:eek: :eek:

World Series Titles
Ortiz -1
Jeter - 0

losing a series after being up 3-0
Jeter - 1
Ortiz - 0 :D

in that time frame Ortiz has 3 walkoff hits to Jeters 0, in fact I can only think of 1 for Jeter in his entire 115 post season games. Remember Jeter has always benefitted from a superstar hitting behind him, Ortiz did not have that luxury in Minnesota. If you were to take the 38 total postseason games Ortiz has played in and compare them to the 115 that Jeter has played in then Ortiz is on pace to surpass Jeter in every major offensive category including OBP. You can take Jeter all you want when it comes to the playoffs but numbers dont lie and the numbers Ortiz has put up are far better than the numbers Jeter has put up.

[yankee]

here are some stats for you farmer...


Jeter
.429/.509/.612 off lefties
.354 avg
.384 RISP
.425 RISP w/ 2 outs
.500 bases loaded
.386 w/ 2 outs
.333 late inning pressure

Ortiz
.285 avg
.306 RISP
.288 RISP w/ 2 outs
.364 bases loaded
.274 w/2 outs
.300 late inning pressure

[farmerfan]

here are some stats for you farmer...


Jeter
.429/.509/.612 off lefties
.354 avg
.384 RISP
.425 RISP w/ 2 outs
.500 bases loaded
.386 w/ 2 outs
.333 late inning pressure

Ortiz
.285 avg
.306 RISP
.288 RISP w/ 2 outs
.364 bases loaded
.274 w/2 outs
.300 late inning pressure

Where are the homeruns and RBI's? how many walk off hits does Jeter have? with all those stats you would think taht Jeters team would have a larger lead than one game, and dont give me our superstars our on the DL, you have a lineup that still consist of Giambi, Judas, gay-fraud, Posada, Williams and for the longest time Cano. A much better lineup than what Ortiz has. Once again the numbers I put up dont lie and shut down your whole Jeter is better in the playoffs, the numbers dont lie do they?

[yankee]

Where are the homeruns and RBI's? how many walk off hits does Jeter have? with all those stats you would think taht Jeters team would have a larger lead than one game, and dont give me our superstars our on the DL, you have a lineup that still consist of Giambi, Judas, gay-fraud, Posada, Williams and for the longest time Cano. A much better lineup than what Ortiz has. Once again the numbers I put up dont lie and shut down your whole Jeter is better in the playoffs, the numbers dont lie do they?
you say that with jeter's stats, the yankees should have a bigger lead? last time i checked, a team doesn't focus on individual talent no matter how good a player is (like jeter). it doesn't work that way. let me break it down for you:

Scott Kazmir: he's having a great year...
10-7, 139 k's in 128 ip, 3.36 era... so based on your above statement, the d-rays should be doing pretty well. but wait, they're in last....because they're missing a few key components, kinda like the yankees right?

Jason Bay: he's having himself a pretty damn good year...

.292 BA, 24 HR's, 78 RBI's, 7 SB's, so i guess the pirates should be doing alright, but once again, another last place team...

and please don't tell me not to tell you about how the yankees have struggled due to downed all-stars. it's true but i will comply and not go on and on about that since the yanks have somehow and amazingly have kept up with sox. with sheff and matsui, the yankees might be 10 games ahead, but who knows. as long as we're in first that's all that matters. oh, and now it's 2 games after tonight! :p

some jeter playoff stats for ya

.306 BA, 120 hits, 14 HR's, 42 RBI's, 14 SB's, 3 triples :eek: :rolleyes: , 838 OPS

the numbers don't lie do they?

[dragons08]

you say that with jeter's stats, the yankees should have a bigger lead? last time i checked, a team doesn't focus on individual talent no matter how good a player is (like jeter). it doesn't work that way. let me break it down for you:


so then why boo a-rod when the yanks struggle? you guys just need a scapegoat, and you go after the player who hasnt won a WS for you guys and hasnt played "perfect" yet, hes still one of the top players in baseball, and IMO a better ss than jeter

[yankee]

so then why boo a-rod when the yanks struggle? you guys just need a scapegoat, and you go after the player who hasnt won a WS for you guys and hasnt played "perfect" yet, hes still one of the top players in baseball, and IMO a better ss than jeter
i also said the team doesn't try to focus on individual talent, not the fans. i can't speak for the whole fanbase. when everybody was yelling trad a-rod, trade a-rod, i thought it was the stupidest thing i've heard in a while. and yes, a-rod is better offensively than jeter, he's got more power, but i don't think he's quite the defensive stop that jeter has. plus, jeter plays like a captain, talks like a captain (to the media), and acts like a captain. that right there should be enough to be a starting ss anywhere.

[farmerfan]

you say that with jeter's stats, the yankees should have a bigger lead? last time i checked, a team doesn't focus on individual talent no matter how good a player is (like jeter). it doesn't work that way. let me break it down for you:

Scott Kazmir: he's having a great year...
10-7, 139 k's in 128 ip, 3.36 era... so based on your above statement, the d-rays should be doing pretty well. but wait, they're in last....because they're missing a few key components, kinda like the yankees right?

Jason Bay: he's having himself a pretty damn good year...

.292 BA, 24 HR's, 78 RBI's, 7 SB's, so i guess the pirates should be doing alright, but once again, another last place team...
and please don't tell me not to tell you about how the yankees have struggled due to downed all-stars. it's true but i will comply and not go on and on about that since the yanks have somehow and amazingly have kept up with sox. with sheff and matsui, the yankees might be 10 games ahead, but who knows. as long as we're in first that's all that matters. oh, and now it's 2 games after tonight! :p

some jeter playoff stats for ya

.306 BA, 120 hits, 14 HR's, 42 RBI's, 14 SB's, 3 triples :eek: :rolleyes: , 838 OPS

the numbers don't lie do they?

you want to play the stats game well since you threw out two guys I will throw out three. Would the Tigers be in 1st place without the efforts of Jeremy Bonderman who is 11-5 with a 3.81 ERA and 146 K's? How about Justin Verlander who is 14-4 with a 2.79 ERA and 92 K's? Where would they be without those two both who I may add have better numbers than Kazmir.
What about the Twins with Lirano, who right now stands at 12-2 and has fanned 137 to go with his 1.96 ERA. Where is Minnesota without him?

The other thing is you take Ortiz away from the Sox and see where they are, all you have to do is look at a playoff drought from 99-2003. Same can't be said for Jeter, remember back in 2003 when Jeter missed 38 games to start the season? well NY still maintained first proving that he may not be as much a factor as the media loves to make him out to be. Wonder where the Sox would be without Ortiz. The fact is that since Ortiz has joined the Red Sox and been under the direction of hitting coach Ron Jackson that he has become one of the premier hitters in all of baseball. His value to his team is more that Jeters is to the yankees. I think its kind of funny how Jeter has yet to win a world title without the likes of Knoblauch, O'Niel, Brosus, Martinez and Pettite. Maybe it wasnt Jeters team afterall now was it?
Plus I am aware of Jeters carrer playoff stats, however you never commented and seemed to look right past the numbers that compare Papi and Jeter since 2003 when Papi became a member of the Sox and how its not even a contest.
Once again in a clutch situation with the game on the line if you want Jeter then more power to ya, Ill take Papi and go home a winner 100% of the time.

[farmerfan]

i also said the team doesn't try to focus on individual talent, not the fans. i can't speak for the whole fanbase. when everybody was yelling trad a-rod, trade a-rod, i thought it was the stupidest thing i've heard in a while. and yes, a-rod is better offensively than jeter, he's got more power, but i don't think he's quite the defensive stop that jeter has. plus, jeter plays like a captain, talks like a captain (to the media), and acts like a captain. that right there should be enough to be a starting ss anywhere.

if that is the case then go back and look up the July 14th 2005 edition of the Boston Globe. In one of the articels I believe titled Sox Arms will decide this Race by Dan Shaughnessy gay-fraud is quoted as saying if you look at my 2004 season then I would put a asterick by it because it wasnt a typical season for me and the numbers I put up where down and with that it caused me to struggle some. In that same article Gary Balco Shefield also said that he loves playing in NY where he can take advantage of the short porch in left and how his numbers have benefitted greatly from it. But I guess your right they dont care one bit about numbers or stats :rolleyes:

[farmerfan]

you say that with jeter's stats, the yankees should have a bigger lead? last time i checked, a team doesn't focus on individual talent no matter how good a player is (like jeter). it doesn't work that way. let me break it down for you:

Scott Kazmir: he's having a great year...
10-7, 139 k's in 128 ip, 3.36 era... so based on your above statement, the d-rays should be doing pretty well. but wait, they're in last....because they're missing a few key components, kinda like the yankees right?

Jason Bay: he's having himself a pretty damn good year...

.292 BA, 24 HR's, 78 RBI's, 7 SB's, so i guess the pirates should be doing alright, but once again, another last place team...

and please don't tell me not to tell you about how the yankees have struggled due to downed all-stars. it's true but i will comply and not go on and on about that since the yanks have somehow and amazingly have kept up with sox. with sheff and matsui, the yankees might be 10 games ahead, but who knows. as long as we're in first that's all that matters. oh, and now it's 2 games after tonight! :p

some jeter playoff stats for ya

.306 BA, 120 hits, 14 HR's, 42 RBI's, 14 SB's, 3 triples :eek: :rolleyes: , 838 OPS

the numbers don't lie do they?

Since 2003 when Papi joined the Sox those numbers dont come anywhere close to mathcing Ortiz and that includes championships too, your right they dont lie they all say Ortiz and its not even close.

[farmerfan]

you say that with jeter's stats, the yankees should have a bigger lead? last time i checked, a team doesn't focus on individual talent no matter how good a player is (like jeter). it doesn't work that way. let me break it down for you:

Scott Kazmir: he's having a great year...
10-7, 139 k's in 128 ip, 3.36 era... so based on your above statement, the d-rays should be doing pretty well. but wait, they're in last....because they're missing a few key components, kinda like the yankees right?

Jason Bay: he's having himself a pretty damn good year...

.292 BA, 24 HR's, 78 RBI's, 7 SB's, so i guess the pirates should be doing alright, but once again, another last place team...

and please don't tell me not to tell you about how the yankees have struggled due to downed all-stars. it's true but i will comply and not go on and on about that since the yanks have somehow and amazingly have kept up with sox. with sheff and matsui, the yankees might be 10 games ahead, but who knows. as long as we're in first that's all that matters. oh, and now it's 2 games after tonight! :p

some jeter playoff stats for ya

.306 BA, 120 hits, 14 HR's, 42 RBI's, 14 SB's, 3 triples :eek: :rolleyes: , 838 OPS

the numbers don't lie do they?

We got you right where we want ya. :eek:

[yankee]

We got you right where we want ya. :eek:
yeah, looking right up the yankees a****.! :)

[Reaganrattler07]

yeah, looking right up the yankees a****.! :)

Haha, amazing how some of that comes right back to bite ya in the ***....

[yankee]

Since 2003 when Papi joined the Sox those numbers dont come anywhere close to mathcing Ortiz and that includes championships too, your right they dont lie they all say Ortiz and its not even close.
yet ortiz batted .191 in the '03 postseason right? quite convincing right there... jeter hasn't gone below .215 once... and yet you still bring up that championships thing. until ortiz wins 2 or more rings, he won't be considered mr.playoff/ clutch like jeter is...

[farmerfan]

yet ortiz batted .191 in the '03 postseason right? quite convincing right there... jeter hasn't gone below .215 once... and yet you still bring up that championships thing. until ortiz wins 2 or more rings, he won't be considered mr.playoff/ clutch like jeter is...

He hit .197 in the ALDS against Oakland and came back to hit .367 against the yankees which included 2 HR's and 6 RBI. That same series Jeter hit a WHOPPING .233 with 1 HR and a grand total of 2 RBI. Care to comapre the 2004 ALCS stats? I mean you remember that series right? the one where Papi had not only a walkoff HR in game 4 but a HR in the 8th of game 5 that pulled Boston to within 1 and then the walk off single in the 12th later that evening. Then lets not forget game 7 where Papi had that 2 run HR in the first that propelled the Sox to victory by a decisive 7 run margin, all while Jeter was going a combined 3-15 during games 5-7 hell Ortiz had 3 hits alone in just game 5. Once again tell me how many rings Jeter has without the likes of Knoblauch, Martinez, Brosus, Leritz, O'Neil and Pettite?

[farmerfan]

yeah, looking right up the yankees a****.! :)

have fun these next few series against the red hot Angels and White Sox, we'll see you August 18th for a 5 game set at Fenway.

[yankee]

He hit .197 in the ALDS against Oakland and came back to hit .367 against the yankees which included 2 HR's and 6 RBI. That same series Jeter hit a WHOPPING .233 with 1 HR and a grand total of 2 RBI. Care to comapre the 2004 ALCS stats? I mean you remember that series right? the one where Papi had not only a walkoff HR in game 4 but a HR in the 8th of game 5 that pulled Boston to within 1 and then the walk off single in the 12th later that evening. Then lets not forget game 7 where Papi had that 2 run HR in the first that propelled the Sox to victory by a decisive 7 run margin, all while Jeter was going a combined 3-15 during games 5-7 hell Ortiz had 3 hits alone in just game 5. Once again tell me how many rings Jeter has without the likes of Knoblauch, Martinez, Brosus, Leritz, O'Neil and Pettite?
0, which proves exactly my point how a team DOES NOT FOCUS ON THE INDIVIDUAL TALENT!!!! you wanna name great moments by ortiz, by golly i could go on about jeter:

Oct. 2, 1996
Jeter moment: After the Yankees rally from a 4-1 deficit to force extra innings, Jeter leads off the 12th with a single, his third hit of the game. Tim Raines walks, and Jeter scores the winning run when third baseman Dean Palmer makes a throwing error on an attempted sacrifice by Charlie Hayes. The Yankees go on to win the series in four games and eventually win their first World Series since 1978.

Oct. 14, 2000
Jeter moment: The game is scoreless with two outs in the fifth when the Yankees' Scott Brosius hits a single to right and Chuck Knoblauch draws a walk. Jeter follows with a three-run homer off Mariners right-hander Paul Abbott, the decisive blow in a 5-0 victory.

Oct.9, 1996
Jeter moment: Flyball to right, Tony Tarasco under it ... the ball disappears! Maier, 12, reaches over the wall and becomes a New York legend. Umpire Richie Garcia rules home run instead of fan interference and Bernie Williams hits a game winning homer off Randy Myers in the 11th. The Yankees win the series, four games to one.

Oct. 15, 2001

In a foreshadowing of an even more famous play three years later, Jeter sprints toward foul territory, makes a running catch near the rail and barrels into the stands...

Oct. 25, 2000
On the first pitch of the game, Jeter hits a home run off Mets righthander Bobby Jones. the yankees win the game 3-2 and clinch their third straight World Series title the next night. JETER IS NAMED MVP.

Oct. 31, 2001
Jeter falls behind 0-2, works the count to 3-2 and then hits Kim's 62nd pitch of the night for an opposite-field walkoff homer.

Oct. 13, 2001- THE FLIP

i don't need words to describe this play against the a's in '01. simply one of the best plays of the last 25 years. period.

notice how all the dates are in october....

[yankee]

have fun these next few series against the red hot Angels and White Sox, we'll see you August 18th for a 5 game set at Fenway.
angels are 5-5 last 10, sox are 6-4. not exactly red hot but we'll see...

over the eight games from july 26-aug. 3, sox starters failed to record a win, going 0-5 with a 7.88 ERA in that span... and have fun with that...

[farmerfan]

0, which proves exactly my point how a team DOES NOT FOCUS ON THE INDIVIDUAL TALENT!!!! you wanna name great moments by ortiz, by golly i could go on about jeter:

Oct. 2, 1996
Jeter moment: After the Yankees rally from a 4-1 deficit to force extra innings, Jeter leads off the 12th with a single, his third hit of the game. Tim Raines walks, and Jeter scores the winning run when third baseman Dean Palmer makes a throwing error on an attempted sacrifice by Charlie Hayes. The Yankees go on to win the series in four games and eventually win their first World Series since 1978.

Oct. 14, 2000
Jeter moment: The game is scoreless with two outs in the fifth when the Yankees' Scott Brosius hits a single to right and Chuck Knoblauch draws a walk. Jeter follows with a three-run homer off Mariners right-hander Paul Abbott, the decisive blow in a 5-0 victory.

Oct.9, 1996
Jeter moment: Flyball to right, Tony Tarasco under it ... the ball disappears! Maier, 12, reaches over the wall and becomes a New York legend. Umpire Richie Garcia rules home run instead of fan interference and Bernie Williams hits a game winning homer off Randy Myers in the 11th. The Yankees win the series, four games to one.

Oct. 15, 2001

In a foreshadowing of an even more famous play three years later, Jeter sprints toward foul territory, makes a running catch near the rail and barrels into the stands...

Oct. 25, 2000
On the first pitch of the game, Jeter hits a home run off Mets righthander Bobby Jones. the yankees win the game 3-2 and clinch their third straight World Series title the next night. JETER IS NAMED MVP.

Oct. 31, 2001
Jeter falls behind 0-2, works the count to 3-2 and then hits Kim's 62nd pitch of the night for an opposite-field walkoff homer.

Oct. 13, 2001- THE FLIP

i don't need words to describe this play against the a's in '01. simply one of the best plays of the last 25 years. period.

notice how all the dates are in october....

Of the three I highlighted, they all came with help from the umpires foolishness. The whole Maier incident against Baltimore should have been ruled fan interference, you know it and anyone who watched that game in America knows it, Richie Garcia was criticized all over America after that call and even the NY media pointed out his boneheaded decision.

As far as the drawing the Walk off of Kim, once again if you remember anything oyu will remember two questionable non-calls that Kim did not recieve where Jeter should have been punched out, Joe Buck and Tim McCarver were all over it then and it is hardly even mentioned now.

Now the flip, once again, pure luck, anyone who watches that play closely will see that Jeremy Giambi got his right foot accross the plate just as Posada went to tag him. Everyone makes a big deal about that play and though it was nice it was once again the wrong call.
I think its funny how of all your precious Jeter moments most of them are of the controversial mode. In fact you are the first one to even suggest that Jeter and Papi are on the same page when it comes to clutch situations. Now that Papi is on a team like Boston that will provide some soldi palyers around him he is given more of a chance to shine in big situations, you put Jeter on Minnesota and have him flying solo like Papi did for his first 6-7 years in the league then we dont even know who Jeter is.
You say its a team game and that is why Jeter doesnt have a ring in the last 5 years, you are missing my point, as far as value to their team thje yanks have proven they dont need Jeter to win and he is just the media darling, the Sox never became a title contender till Ortiz showed up in 2003. Say team all you want and individual doesnt matter but the facts show that Jeter is titless in his last 5 trips to the postseason.

[farmerfan]

angels are 5-5 last 10, sox are 6-4. not exactly red hot but we'll see...

over the eight games from july 26-aug. 3, sox starters failed to record a win, going 0-5 with a 7.88 ERA in that span... and have fun with that...

Yet the Sox and yanks were tied in the wild card for so long and the Angels have crept back into their division race. If I am not mistaken it is the Angels who have been yalls daddy the last two times yaall have met in the post-season, you know the same angels whjo we swept in 2004.

[yankee]

Yet the Sox and yanks were tied in the wild card for so long and the Angels have crept back into their division race. If I am not mistaken it is the Angels who have been yalls daddy the last two times yaall have met in the post-season, you know the same angels whjo we swept in 2004.
LOL... same angels? i think not. the angels of the past 2 seasons had a much better pitching staff and a little bit better offense...and now you go back to past events, last time i checked, the bocox are the ones trying to keep up with the white sox. :eek:

[yankee]

Of the three I highlighted, they all came with help from the umpires foolishness. The whole Maier incident against Baltimore should have been ruled fan interference, you know it and anyone who watched that game in America knows it, Richie Garcia was criticized all over America after that call and even the NY media pointed out his boneheaded decision.

As far as the drawing the Walk off of Kim, once again if you remember anything oyu will remember two questionable non-calls that Kim did not recieve where Jeter should have been punched out, Joe Buck and Tim McCarver were all over it then and it is hardly even mentioned now.

Now the flip, once again, pure luck, anyone who watches that play closely will see that Jeremy Giambi got his right foot accross the plate just as Posada went to tag him. Everyone makes a big deal about that play and though it was nice it was once again the wrong call.
I think its funny how of all your precious Jeter moments most of them are of the controversial mode. In fact you are the first one to even suggest that Jeter and Papi are on the same page when it comes to clutch situations. Now that Papi is on a team like Boston that will provide some soldi palyers around him he is given more of a chance to shine in big situations, you put Jeter on Minnesota and have him flying solo like Papi did for his first 6-7 years in the league then we dont even know who Jeter is.
You say its a team game and that is why Jeter doesnt have a ring in the last 5 years, you are missing my point, as far as value to their team thje yanks have proven they dont need Jeter to win and he is just the media darling, the Sox never became a title contender till Ortiz showed up in 2003. Say team all you want and individual doesnt matter but the facts show that Jeter is titless in his last 5 trips to the postseason.


:rolleyes: i shouldn't even have to respond to that. luck? because the man can play defense (so UNLIKE ortiz) and comes up with the big plays and you say luck? LUCK? maybe divine intervention or perhaps just true defensive skill (unlike ortiz), but no luck. coming out of nowhere, making the grab, getting it out of his glove and to posada in time just shows how good jeter is defensively.

the fan catch was fan interference but the orioles outfielder wasn't going to catch it anyway.... and don't give me any bulls*** about the walk thing... excuses excuses.

[yankee]

http://i1.tinypic.com/240x1k7.jpg

WAIT WHAT???!!!!

unless i'm blind, that my friend, is a clear out.

[farmerfan]

http://i1.tinypic.com/240x1k7.jpg

WAIT WHAT???!!!!

unless i'm blind, that my friend, is a clear out.

From that angle you can not clearly tell if Posada is tagging Giambi, when you would see replays from the thirdbase side it justifies my point that the ump missed the call, from that vanish point you are not able to fully tell if a tag is being place or not. Like I said if you could get that picture from another angle mainly one from the thridbase side then you will see what I am saying.

[farmerfan]

:rolleyes: i shouldn't even have to respond to that. luck? because the man can play defense (so UNLIKE ortiz) and comes up with the big plays and you say luck? LUCK? maybe divine intervention or perhaps just true defensive skill (unlike ortiz), but no luck. coming out of nowhere, making the grab, getting it out of his glove and to posada in time just shows how good jeter is defensively.

the fan catch was fan interference but the orioles outfielder wasn't going to catch it anyway.... and don't give me any bulls*** about the walk thing... excuses excuses.

are yuo kidding me? you cant be that dumb. Maier reached over the wall and snagged it as it was coming down, that ball would have been caught by Tarasco, bottom line is Maier extended his arm out there and took away a catch, it turned the momentum and gave the yankees yet again another win that should have been contested.
Plus they are not excuses they are facts, how many times have yankees benefitted from poor calls by the umps? many. case in point, when a ump actually over turend a horrible call and made the right one, they had to bring out the freaking rito police because new york fans are as far from civilized as any in the world.

I cant post pics where I am but here is a link to the whole Maier incident if you say it wouldnt have been caught you are foolish.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Jeffmaier.jpg

[farmerfan]

LOL... same angels? i think not. the angels of the past 2 seasons had a much better pitching staff and a little bit better offense...and now you go back to past events, last time i checked, the bocox are the ones trying to keep up with the white sox. :eek:

thats what they said about them last year and all they did was once again become your Daddy in teh post season. You know the same angel club that Boston is 2-0 against in the post-season.
You say I result in past events, well genius what have you been doing in this whole thread? you harp on past accomplishments of one, Derek Jeter I mean all he did was in the past right? so you are just as guilty as you accuse me of being.
I am not at all worried about the White Sox, as long as we get in the post season that is fine by me. All we have left is 9 games against yankees to worry about with 5 being at home and 4 being in the zoo. The White Sox still have series left against Detroit and Minnesota that could knock them out of the playoffs, but then again we could do the same to you over those 9 games we have against yall.
The funny thing is we go all holding down first place, the minute we lose it yankee fans everywhere come onto Red Sox message forums, call in Boston talk shows and are vocal as can be about being in first place, but when we're in first it is another day as usualy. Let the obession from the yankees continue with Boston.

[yankee]

thats what they said about them last year and all they did was once again become your Daddy in teh post season. You know the same angel club that Boston is 2-0 against in the post-season.
You say I result in past events, well genius what have you been doing in this whole thread? you harp on past accomplishments of one, Derek Jeter I mean all he did was in the past right? so you are just as guilty as you accuse me of being.
I am not at all worried about the White Sox, as long as we get in the post season that is fine by me. All we have left is 9 games against yankees to worry about with 5 being at home and 4 being in the zoo. The White Sox still have series left against Detroit and Minnesota that could knock them out of the playoffs, but then again we could do the same to you over those 9 games we have against yall.
The funny thing is we go all holding down first place, the minute we lose it yankee fans everywhere come onto Red Sox message forums, call in Boston talk shows and are vocal as can be about being in first place, but when we're in first it is another day as usualy. Let the obession from the yankees continue with Boston.
you crack me up... boston has not won the al east in what, 8 seasons? :confused: :eek:

[yankee]

if that is the case then go back and look up the July 14th 2005 edition of the Boston Globe. In one of the articels I believe titled Sox Arms will decide this Race by Dan Shaughnessy gay-fraud is quoted as saying if you look at my 2004 season then I would put a asterick by it because it wasnt a typical season for me and the numbers I put up where down and with that it caused me to struggle some. In that same article Gary Balco Shefield also said that he loves playing in NY where he can take advantage of the short porch in left and how his numbers have benefitted greatly from it. But I guess your right they dont care one bit about numbers or stats :rolleyes:
coming from THAT guy? mr. negative himself! if you're gonna use a writer, at least use a quality one...

[yankee]

are yuo kidding me? you cant be that dumb. you're right, i'm not Maier reached over the wall and snagged it as it was coming down, that ball would have been caught by Tarasco,to tell you the truth, to me it still doesn't look like he would catch the ball bottom line is Maier extended his arm out there and took away a catch, it turned the momentum and gave the yankees yet again another win that should have been contested.
Plus they are not excuses they are facts, how many times have yankees benefitted from poor calls by the umps? it happens to every team in the freakin league and you know it. the yanks get ripped off to, just look at tonight's game... many. case in point, when a ump actually over turend a horrible call and made the right one, they had to bring out the freaking rito police because new york fans are as far from civilized as any in the world. there's a reason why they call it zoo york, that's also what makes it great...don't start harping on fans ESPECIALLY when you're a red sox fan... :p

I cant post pics where I am but here is a link to the whole Maier incident if you say it wouldnt have been caught you are foolish.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Jeffmaier.jpg
oh no!, i!pulled!a! great!one!


i love having these debates, good to have you back farmer...;)

[farmerfan]

oh no!, i!pulled!a! great!one!


i love having these debates, good to have you back farmer...;)

we could all learn from the greaToNE he is one of a kind

the debates are fun and you got to realize now that we are watching the Sox fade away again I have to have something to fall back on and i get my justification in arguing with some yankee fans. its evfen better up north, walk into a bar, see a yankee fan, tell him he's an a-hole or tell her she sucks and Boom its on ;)
its good to be back, season still has 8 more weeks to go, maybe next sat we can meet up at Po's and watch the Sox/yankees if your up to it, I know they will be Fox game of the week and for sure they are ESPN sunday night game of the week.

[farmerfan]

coming from THAT guy? mr. negative himself! if you're gonna use a writer, at least use a quality one...

man dont go knocking on Danny, he has some quality stuff and is the epitome of a Red Sox fan, after the Sports guy Bill Simmons I enjoy his articels out of the Boston media more than anyone elses.

[farmerfan]

you crack me up... boston has not won the al east in what, 8 seasons? :confused: :eek:

actually 10 but who's counting

[yankee]

we could all learn from the greaToNE he is one of a kind

the debates are fun and you got to realize now that we are watching the Sox fade away again I have to have something to fall back on and i get my justification in arguing with some yankee fans. its evfen better up north, walk into a bar, see a yankee fan, tell him he's an a-hole or tell her she sucks and Boom its on ;)
its good to be back, season still has 8 more weeks to go, maybe next sat we can meet up at Po's and watch the Sox/yankees if your up to it, I know they will be Fox game of the week and for sure they are ESPN sunday night game of the week.
sounds good...

[Humblefied]

Red Sox fan myself and i couldnt help but notice this cross fire going on.You gotta like Papi and you gotta like jeter and arod. Or at least respect them. This race is so close and don't blink because you'll miss something. I think something we can both agree on is that both sides need pitching.

[yankee]

Red Sox fan myself and i couldnt help but notice this cross fire going on.You gotta like Papi and you gotta like jeter and arod. Or at least respect them. This race is so close and don't blink because you'll miss something. I think something we can both agree on is that both sides need pitching.
amen! i can't believe the yanks have gotten this far with that pitching staff...at times have shown greatness and other times not so much. same thing can be said for the sox.

[farmerfan]

Red Sox fan myself and i couldnt help but notice this cross fire going on.You gotta like Papi and you gotta like jeter and arod. Or at least respect them. This race is so close and don't blink because you'll miss something. I think something we can both agree on is that both sides need pitching.

No way in hell do I have to like or respect gay-fraud. He is fake and has no quality at all to respect. Jeter is different, that guy plays the game the right way and one who I will always have respect for. The yankee players that I have the mlost respect for is Jeter and Posada. I hate Posada but only because he has been a thorne in our for so many years. But I will never like or respect gay-fraud.