What is expected of Colt/Jevan

[jtk1519]

I think CFN summed it up perfectly...

If Jevan Snead and Colt McCoy can be merely adequate, the Longhorns could be back in the national title game.

Simple as that.

[Favpack]

From a standpoint of national competition - I could believe it somewhat. Ohio State will be down a little, but still good, there is no USC out there. But, Okie will be vastly improved, despite the orange-bloods hopes, as will Nebraska.

From a standpoint of returning players except VY - I could believe it somewhat. It appears the returners will be close to as good as last year across the board.

But the reality is - you don't win crystal footballs these days with adequate qb's - period. LSU grabbed a share with a 5th year senior that played mistake free and not alot else a couple of years ago - but I think that was the exception. And, an adequate 5th yr. senior is simply a smarter, better player than an adequate freshman.

[jtk1519]

But the reality is - you don't win crystal footballs these days with adequate qb's - period.

Craig Krenzel would disagree.

[KT2000]

Efficiency is the key word. If Colt and/or Jevan can distribute to the playmakers around them efficiently, Texas can have a BCS season in my opinion. They don't have to average 250 yards or more a game. I believe Texas will get at least 250 on the ground per game, and that will help out Snead and McCoy.

Evidently, both have picked up on the offense very quickly. Snead is surprising with how quickly he's learning despite being a year behind McCoy in that department. That was supposed to be McCoy's biggest advantage, but Snead is gaining ground quickly after being in Austin during spring.

Of course, the toughest adjustment will be learning what the opposition will do defensively to try and confuse them. Film sessions obviously come in handy here, but it's another thing to do it during live action.

We'll see if they're up to the challenge.

[jtk1519]

Snead will start the Red River Shootout and never look back. Colt will still get a lot of touches... probably as much as Brohm did behind Lefors at Louisville a year or two ago, but the teams will be Jevan's.

[Mad Hatter]

i dont know JTK i wouldnt count out McCoy or Harris

[Coug78]

I think CFN summed it up perfectly...



Simple as that.

It ain't that simple. ;)

[jtk1519]

It ain't that simple. ;)

Yes, it is.

[Coug78]

Yes, it is.

If one of those freshman has a mediocre season, UT WILL lose games.

[jtk1519]

If one of those freshman has a mediocre season, UT WILL lose games.

Would you call throwing for 2100 yards (175 per game) and 12 TDs (1 per game) "mediocre"?

[Coug78]

Would you call throwing for 2100 yards (175 per game) and 12 TDs (1 per game) "mediocre"?

Yes I would. Not bad numbers for a true freshman, but to win it all or much less the Big 12? No way!

Last year w/o VY, UT loses big time vs. USC.

So w/o VY this year, you think UT will repeat? I think not.

[GTown02]

So let me get this straight... Vince somehow cloned himself and played all 23 positions? (Cant forget the kickers now :p)

I must have been watching a different team play all of last season...

[jtk1519]

Yes I would. Not bad numbers for a true freshman, but to win it all or much less the Big 12? No way!

Really. So, there is "no way" a team could "win it all" with a QB putting up numbers like that, huh. This is like shooting fish in a barrel...

PASSING GP Effic Att-Cmp-Int Pct Yds TD Lng Avg/G
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Krenzel, Craig 14 140.90 249-148-7 59.4 2110 12 57 150.7

The 2002 National Champion Buckeyes
http://ohiostatebuckeyes.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/teamcume-02.html#TEAM.IND

A national championship won with a strong running game (nope, Texas doesn't have that), a great defense (damn, Texas sucks there too) and efficient QB play. Nope Coug, you're right... no way. :rolleyes:

[KT2000]

If I remember right, Krenzel was a molecular biology major. Managed games well (IE, gave the ball to then in shape Mo Clarett).

I wouldn't dismiss Texas' chances despite the question at QB going in. We'll find out pretty quick. The OSU game is definitely winnable given the inexperience they have on defense. That could be an early confidence booster for either QB if things go well.

[HUM398]

I honestly think that its gonna be jevan or Harris at QB... As far as them repeating... I think it is very likely... Like KT said, If the QB's can get to the playmakers ( and they have a ton) then they can have a BCS Season.. Without a doubt in my mind... They have a great Running game, one to be feared... Jammal has a Championship under his belt... And he is looking for another one...

[Mad Hatter]

if texas does happen to repeat this year and win then u have to ask yourself how can we lose the year after that lol

[KT2000]

Texas, and USC as well for that matter, have recruited well enough recently to be in the championship hype every season right now.

I can't wait to see Sergio Kindle for Texas.

[jtk1519]

I honestly think that its gonna be jevan or Harris at QB... As far as them repeating... I think it is very likely... Like KT said, If the QB's can get to the playmakers ( and they have a ton) then they can have a BCS Season.. Without a doubt in my mind... They have a great Running game, one to be feared... Jammal has a Championship under his belt... And he is looking for another one...

As much as I like the kid, I don't think Harris will ever take a meaningful snap at QB while at Texas. He'll probably red-shirt this year. By next year, either Colt or Jevan will probably be the hands-down starter. The future beyond that is probably in the hands of John Brantley. Harris is really going to have to wow some people and I sure won't be upset if he does.

[mtbray]

Yes I would. Not bad numbers for a true freshman, but to win it all or much less the Big 12? No way!

Last year w/o VY, UT loses big time vs. USC.

So w/o VY this year, you think UT will repeat? I think not.

If UT hadn't got VY, UT would have signed another stud qb recruit. It's a given...

[dragons08]

Craig Krenzel would disagree.
sucked in the nfl, but managed games for ohio state like you said..sort of like what kyle orton did, managed the game, gave the ball to the running backs, defense helped him oout

[GarlandOwl06]

I love how every person who lives in the state of Texas and watches football is now a huge Texas fan since they won the national championship. Vince Young is IRREPLACABLE. Period. No questions asked. Last year without Vince would they have won the national championship? NOT A CHANCE!!! This year without Vince will they win it?!?!? NOT A CHANCE!!! JTK, since you have such a fetish for stats go look up the last time a true freshman QB won the national championship. Texas fans stop getting your hopes up. Maybe Texas is good at every other position but if your worst player is playing the most important posistion you can't win. Maybe Craig Krenzel wasn't a superstar but he handled the pressure well and he definetly wasn't a freshman. Texas will not win the Big 12 or national championship. Thank you and goodnight.

[Owned05]

I love how every person who lives in the state of Texas and watches football is now a huge Texas fan since they won the national championship. Vince Young is IRREPLACABLE. Period. No questions asked. Last year without Vince would they have won the national championship? NOT A CHANCE!!! This year without Vince will they win it?!?!? NOT A CHANCE!!! JTK, since you have such a fetish for stats go look up the last time a true freshman QB won the national championship. Texas fans stop getting your hopes up. Maybe Texas is good at every other position but if your worst player is playing the most important posistion you can't win. Maybe Craig Krenzel wasn't a superstar but he handled the pressure well and he definetly wasn't a freshman. Texas will not win the Big 12 or national championship. Thank you and goodnight.

You must be an Ag.

[KT2000]

GarlandOwl, I'm sure the Longhorn team would love for opposing teams to take that attitude against them this season.

I don't think anyone here is guaranteeing a Longhorn repeat. I think the only point JTK is really trying to make is that the possibility does exist, and that it may not be as far fetched as some believe.

[Favpack]

Craig Krenzel is not a good comparison. He was a red-shirt junior that played well beyond his years in maturity.

I've never said repeating is an impossibility - it is possible - but not likely. It would be much, much more likely if this UT coaching staff had perennial top 5 teams prior to VY letting the cape hang out - and they didn't. If anything - they were under-achievers - and Stoops owned Brown prior to this past year. Mack is still on the rubber chicken circuit - and Stoops is still fuming over actually losing a game to Texas.

[KT2000]

Prior to VY's arrival, Mack Brown was one of the most winning head coaches in America and the most successful Texas coach since Darrell Royal. I know that never meant anything to critics because he couldn't beat OU and get to the title game. Texas-OU has always been a series of streaks.

I think Mack Brown (and Greg Davis) learned a lot while Vince Young was on campus as far as the proper attitude needed in big games, and also about letting players do the things they do to do in order to be ready to play. Vince helped get them over the biggest hurdle, and they should all be better for that experience.

They know the path to the summit now, and that's extremely important in my opinion.

[Texasfrog]

Texas can still win it all. Colt McCoy & Jevan Snead wont have to win the games themselves. Football is the ultimate "Team game" and Texas has one heck of a team surrounding their inexperienced QB's.

This season all McCoy and Snead need to do is manage the game and try not to make the "KILLER" turnovers.

With the "DEFENSE" Texas has and the offensive weapons Texas has. Man, if they dont run the table they should be a top #10.

Also, the Ohio St game is huge. If Texas pulls that game off again. The momentum will really give Texas a huge boost to start the season (just like last season).

PS. Also, Colt McCoy and Jevan Snead arent shabby QB's to boot. Both have alot of upside and skill. I also love the fact that McCoy is a football coaches son. That usually means the kid has a great sense of the football field and flow of games. But, time will tell.

[Coug78]

I think Mack Brown (and Greg Davis) learned a lot while Vince Young was on campus as far as the proper attitude needed in big games, and also about letting players do the things they do to do in order to be ready to play. Vince helped get them over the biggest hurdle, and they should all be better for that experience.

They know the path to the summit now, and that's extremely important in my opinion.

So does Bob Stoops and OU. :D

It's going to be an interesting year.

[dragonsdaddy]

If UT hadn't got VY, UT would have signed another stud qb recruit. It's a given...
name me any stud qb ever in the history of college football that you'd throw in the same mix as vy. dang it, if they are that easy to come by, why doesn't every team have one? he's a once in a lifetime type.

[jtk1519]

name me any stud qb ever in the history of college football that you'd throw in the same mix as vy. dang it, if they are that easy to come by, why doesn't every team have one? he's a once in a lifetime type.

Why would they have to be Vince? I don't understand this foolish logic. More than 100 national championships have been won and Vince has just one of them. What did all those other teams do? I know the Texas fans speak highly of Vince, but I swear... some of you guys are making him sound like Joe Montana, Genghis Khan, Superman, and Jesus Christ all rolled into one. Of course he's irreplaceable... DUH! So were Ricky Williams, Roy Williams, Cedric Benson, Derrick Johnson, etc. Some people just never learn. :rolleyes:

[Favpack]

Why would they have to be Vince? I don't understand this foolish logic. More than 100 national championships have been won and Vince has just one of them. What did all those other teams do? I know the Texas fans speak highly of Vince, but I swear... some of you guys are making him sound like Joe Montana, Genghis Khan, Superman, and Jesus Christ all rolled into one. Of course he's irreplaceable... DUH! So were Ricky Williams, Roy Williams, Cedric Benson, Derrick Johnson, etc. Some people just never learn. :rolleyes:

Let's look at both sides of the stance.

Orangeblood stance
All history is irrelevant -we will compete for the national title next year because we now know the secret to get there. We can win with an average qb with no proven leadership skills.

Anti-OB stance
You've been dominated by OU. Mack wins alot, but not the big ones. It took VY in hyper over-drive to push you to the top.

The truth is somewhere in the middle. UT will be a top 10 team much of the year unless it gets runover by the B'eyes and OU. Unlike the homers, however, most realists know the likelihood of a repeat is incredibly slim with a totally unproven commodity at qb.

[farmerfan]

Prior to VY's arrival, Mack Brown was one of the most winning head coaches in America and the most successful Texas coach since Darrell Royal. I know that never meant anything to critics because he couldn't beat OU and get to the title game. Texas-OU has always been a series of streaks.

I think Mack Brown (and Greg Davis) learned a lot while Vince Young was on campus as far as the proper attitude needed in big games, and also about letting players do the things they do to do in order to be ready to play. Vince helped get them over the biggest hurdle, and they should all be better for that experience.

They know the path to the summit now, and that's extremely important in my opinion.

I love that point KT, you sound just like me. I stated something similar to that in another thread and firmly believe Vince had a mental impact on Mack that did a 180 on him. Too many people are overlooking the mental aspect Vince has had on Texas. His impact will be felt in that program for years to come, not only with the coaching staff but also with players returning. They believe they can win that so called "big game" and their is no OU hurdle to clear anymore. I still dislike Texas but even I must admit that they will be among to top 5 teams in the country for years to come.

[dragonsdaddy]

Why would they have to be Vince? I don't understand this foolish logic. More than 100 national championships have been won and Vince has just one of them. What did all those other teams do? I know the Texas fans speak highly of Vince, but I swear... some of you guys are making him sound like Joe Montana, Genghis Khan, Superman, and Jesus Christ all rolled into one. Of course he's irreplaceable... DUH! So were Ricky Williams, Roy Williams, Cedric Benson, Derrick Johnson, etc. Some people just never learn. :rolleyes:
the best teams tu ever had prior to vy didn't win it all. the 05 team featuring the best qb in my opinion in college history did. i guess it isn't too much of a stretch to assume he was the difference. i truly believe he was the difference between all the near-misses and the title. so without him, they don't win last year and won't this year either. jmo

[KT2000]

ddaddy, we're in full agreement that Vince is a once a generation talent. I've been lucky enough to have followed him since his sophomore year at Madison.

Having said that, you could make the comment "they don't win without him" about nearly every championship team minus their starting QB. There have been a few exceptions like Mauck for LSU and Krenzel for Ohio State as recent examples of QBs who weren't centerpieces.

Obviously, it's impossible to know when Texas will have another shot to win the whole thing but the Horns (like OU, USC, etc.) have recruited well enough to be in that discussion every season.

[jtk1519]

the best teams tu ever had prior to vy didn't win it all.

Really? I need to call my Dad and tell him that he just imagined '63, '69 and '70. He sure is going to be upset.

[dragonsdaddy]

Really? I need to call my Dad and tell him that he just imagined '63, '69 and '70. He sure is going to be upset.
i thought we were in agreeance that we were discussing the mack era. my bad.

[mtbray]

name me any stud qb ever in the history of college football that you'd throw in the same mix as vy. dang it, if they are that easy to come by, why doesn't every team have one? he's a once in a lifetime type.

I didn't mean that by ANY means. I realize VY is incomparable.


However, people making inferences that the 2005 Longhorns would have had some unathletic, incompetent jackass at quarterback is completely false. Had VY not come to Texas, I'm sure there would have been a list of studs who would have wanted to come run our program.

[jtk1519]

I didn't mean that by ANY means. I realize VY is incomparable.


However, people making inferences that the 2005 Longhorns would have had some unathletic, incompetent jackass at quarterback is completely false. Had VY not come to Texas, I'm sure there would have been a list of studs who would have wanted to come run our program.

Texas almost certainly would have landed Xavier Lee in '04. They were dang close to doing so even with Vince on the team. If Lee could have developed the way Vince did, there is no telling what could have happened. Lee was just flat out sick.

[mtbray]

Well there ya have it daddy of dragons.

[Coug78]

At the end of this season we'll have to rename this thread Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda. ;)

[dragonsdaddy]

Texas almost certainly would have landed Xavier Lee in '04. They were dang close to doing so even with Vince on the team. If Lee could have developed the way Vince did, there is no telling what could have happened. Lee was just flat out sick.
any great qb that can be oc'd correctly by simply pointing towards a goalline and taking off the reins could have won for gdavis, if everything else is also in place. there aren't too many of them, me thinks. maybe i'm wrong.

[KT2000]

ddaddy, as someone who has watched Vince play since his sophomore year of high school I can tell you I've never seen a player improve as much as he has. The difference in play between his RS Fresman and RS Junior years is incredible, but becomes even more stupefying when you stack it up to his HS career. He definitely didn't show up in Austin as the player you saw in the Rose Bowls in 05 and 06. You could obviously see the physical tools, but they weren't harnessed or refined. That's what the Texas coaches helped give him.

[jtk1519]

any great qb that can be oc'd correctly by simply pointing towards a goalline and taking off the reins could have won for gdavis, if everything else is also in place. there aren't too many of them, me thinks. maybe i'm wrong.

But just a few posts up you said...

name me any stud qb ever in the history of college football that you'd throw in the same mix as vy. dang it, if they are that easy to come by, why doesn't every team have one? he's a once in a lifetime type.

Now you're saying that "any great QB" can do it if the OC takes "off the reins".

Let's say Reggie McNeal went to Texas and Davis took off the reins as he did with Vince. Could Texas have won a NC with McNeal in that role instead of Vince?

[dragonsdaddy]

But just a few posts up you said...



Now you're saying that "any great QB" can do it if the OC takes "off the reins".

Let's say Reggie McNeal went to Texas and Davis took off the reins as he did with Vince. Could Texas have won a NC with McNeal in that role instead of Vince?
i am accepting that tu had a great team. most accept that vy was an off the scale good qb. if any recent heisman winners happened to take vy's place beneath gdavis' tutelage, they would have been turned into a simm's clone. 10-2 and a high draft pick. i think reggie might have been able to win, but it would have taken a little more luck. my point is that gdavis sucked as an oc, until he learned to point in the direction of the opposing teams endzone, and get out of the way. was it a high water mark for him, or did he suddenly get smart? i guess we'll see. i'll die believing had he got "smart" a couple of weeks earlier, they'd be back to back champs.

[jtk1519]

I don't understand why Chris Simms gets thrown in the faces of Mack and Davis like it is a bad thing. The only knock on Simms was that he wasn't a leader which is why he was never able to really beat out Applewhite despite far superior talent.

Since Mack and Greg came to Texas, they have had basically two starters at QB that they are responsible for... Chris Simms and Vince Young.

Chris Simms for his career at Texas completed more than 58% of his passes for 7097 yards with 58 TDs to 31 INTs. He started 31 games in which he was 25-6 as a starter. His senior season (the only one as the full-time starter) he completed almost 60% of his passes for 3207 yards (2nd in Texas history) and 26 TDs (tied for 1st in Texas history) while finishing as a semi-finalist for the Davey O'Brien Award. Selected in the 3rd round of the NFL draft where he is now a starter.

Vince Young for his career at Texas completed more than 61 % of his passes for 6040 yards with 44 TDs to 28 INTs (all while adding 3127 yards and 37 TDs on the ground). He started 32 games in which he was 30-2 as a starter. His senior season, he completed 65% of his passes for 3036 yards and 26 TDs (tied for 1st in Texas history) while winning the Davey O'Brien Award and finishing as a Heisman finalist. Selected in the 1st round of the NFL draft.

Now, that is Mack and Davis' resume when it comes to developing their QBs. I will admit that the Applewhite/Simms thing was mishandled from time to time, but how you can you at the production they have gotten out of the QB position and doubt their ability to develop a QB?

[dragonsdaddy]

I don't understand why Chris Simms gets thrown in the faces of Mack and Davis like it is a bad thing. The only knock on Simms was that he wasn't a leader which is why he was never able to really beat out Applewhite despite far superior talent.

Since Mack and Greg came to Texas, they have had basically two starters at QB that they are responsible for... Chris Simms and Vince Young.

Chris Simms for his career at Texas completed more than 58% of his passes for 7097 yards with 58 TDs to 31 INTs. He started 31 games in which he was 25-6 as a starter. His senior season (the only one as the full-time starter) he completed almost 60% of his passes for 3207 yards (2nd in Texas history) and 26 TDs (tied for 1st in Texas history) while finishing as a semi-finalist for the Davey O'Brien Award. Selected in the 3rd round of the NFL draft where he is now a starter.

Vince Young for his career at Texas completed more than 61 % of his passes for 6040 yards with 44 TDs to 28 INTs (all while adding 3127 yards and 37 TDs on the ground). He started 32 games in which he was 30-2 as a starter. His senior season, he completed 65% of his passes for 3036 yards and 26 TDs (tied for 1st in Texas history) while winning the Davey O'Brien Award and finishing as a Heisman finalist. Selected in the 1st round of the NFL draft.

Now, that is Mack and Davis' resume when it comes to developing their QBs. I will admit that the Applewhite/Simms thing was mishandled from time to time, but how you can you at the production they have gotten out of the QB position and doubt their ability to develop a QB?
if you are excited about having had simms, so am i. would you be thinking nat'l title if snead or mckoy (freudian slip) turned out to be another chris simms? i promise i would with a sr applewhite.

[Texasfrog]

DDaddy, I hear what you're saying about Chris Simms. Trust me, I'm not a Chrisssy Simms fan at all. I was in Texas Stadium to see (Chrissy) single handly give the Big-12 title to Colorado. Heck, I wanted to come down on the field and slap Simms and M. Brown both at halftime. I was pissed off that Mack Brown wouldnt put applewhite into the game.

But, the biggest difference between the past couple of Texas teams (2004)(2005) and probably this season when you compare them to the Texas teams of the late 90's and even first couple of seasons of the (2000's) is Texas is now a HELL of alot better "TEAM."

The Texas defense is better now then it's been in probably 25 years with a solid 2-deep roster.

The offensive skill positions are loaded with great 2nd and 3rd string depth. The Texas O-Line might be one of the best ever at Texas.

So, I say that the QB doesnt have to carry such a huge load and have the mentality (like Chris Simmmssee) had with the "I have to win the game attitude."

McCoy and/or Snead just have to come in and manage the offense and not make the "KIllER" mistakes. Just come in and complete the high percentage passes and not fumble handoffs.

Sure, there is a few tough games on the schedule (Ohio St, Oklahoma, Nebraska , Texas Tech) but those games would still probably be tough even if Vince Young was here.

[Texasfrog]

Also.. everyone wants to knock on Texas because they dont have Vince Young anymore.

Well, Texas doesnt have Young anymore. But, no other team in the country has Vince Young either unless their in the NFL and called the Titans (Game, set , match).:D

[GarlandOwl06]

The truth of the matter is that QB is the most important position on the field and next year Texas doesn't have a good one. I think Jevan will be awesome when he is done at Texas. But do I think that he can come in and win a national championship or even a big 12 championship as a true freshman? Absoutly not. Texas fans tend to be very dillusional so I'm not surprised that there are people on here claiming this will be a better team than last year. The difference in the previous 2 years' teams is the development of Vince Young. He is gone now and so are a lot of other good starters. You talk about Chris Simms, yea he had great numbers and is in the NFL now, however he was never a winner because he wasn't a leader and he choked all the time. Which will be the EXACT problem this year at the QB position. The same thing happened last year to OU. They lost a Senior heisman winning starter at QB, brought in a freshman and he was terrible at the first of the season so they lost games. You can't win in college football without a great, experienced QB. I'll ask you again JTK, when was the last time a freshman QB won the national championship??

[Coug78]

The truth of the matter is that QB is the most important position on the field and next year Texas doesn't have a good one. I think Jevan will be awesome when he is done at Texas. But do I think that he can come in and win a national championship or even a big 12 championship as a true freshman? Absoutly not. Texas fans tend to be very dillusional so I'm not surprised that there are people on here claiming this will be a better team than last year. The difference in the previous 2 years' teams is the development of Vince Young. He is gone now and so are a lot of other good starters. You talk about Chris Simms, yea he had great numbers and is in the NFL now, however he was never a winner because he wasn't a leader and he choked all the time. Which will be the EXACT problem this year at the QB position. The same thing happened last year to OU. They lost a Senior heisman winning starter at QB, brought in a freshman and he was terrible at the first of the season so they lost games. You can't win in college football without a great, experienced QB. I'll ask you again JTK, when was the last time a freshman QB won the national championship??

Don't worry GarlandOwl06 - reality will set in for the delusional in a few weeks. ;)

[pack4life]

Defense wins championships.

[Coug78]

Defense wins championships.

Not always. Again without VY, UT Does Not beat USC.

[Texasfrog]

The truth of the matter is that QB is the most important position on the field and next year Texas doesn't have a good one. I think Jevan will be awesome when he is done at Texas. But do I think that he can come in and win a national championship or even a big 12 championship as a true freshman? Absoutly not. Texas fans tend to be very dillusional so I'm not surprised that there are people on here claiming this will be a better team than last year. The difference in the previous 2 years' teams is the development of Vince Young. He is gone now and so are a lot of other good starters. You talk about Chris Simms, yea he had great numbers and is in the NFL now, however he was never a winner because he wasn't a leader and he choked all the time. Which will be the EXACT problem this year at the QB position. The same thing happened last year to OU. They lost a Senior heisman winning starter at QB, brought in a freshman and he was terrible at the first of the season so they lost games. You can't win in college football without a great, experienced QB. I'll ask you again JTK, when was the last time a freshman QB won the national championship??


Texas did lose some good players. Heck, they had like 6 players drafted in the NFL. But, every team in the nation lost skill players. It happens every year.

Ohio St had damn near their whole defense drafted in the NFL and most of them on the 1st day. I mean Ohio St has to rebuild their entire defense almost. They lost alot of serious skill and talent. Hard to replace that in the first couple of weeks of the Fall.

OU lost some good players, Texas Tech lost some good players.

I mean, I hear what you're saying. But, every team loses players.

Texas is at the point and level now that they really just reload. Plus, if you really look at Texas (2-deep roster). They return like 80% of it and have like 16 starters back. That's 16 starters off the National title team. That's pretty darn good.

[Texasfrog]

Not always. Again without VY, UT Does Not beat USC.

Ya, but I dont remember seeing Reggie Bush or Matt Leinhart having a field day on that Texas defense either. I'm sure if you ask them two Heisman winners who had the best defense they played against in 2 years. I'm sure both of them would say in about 1 second... (Texas's defense).

[jtk1519]

Which will be the EXACT problem this year at the QB position.

So, you already know that two QBs who have yet to take a snap of collegiate football are chokers and not good leaders. Wow, just wow. The rest of your rant is so full of errors, delusion and flat lies that is doesn't even deserve to be quoted much less responded to.

[jtk1519]

Not always. Again without VY, UT Does Not beat USC.

So. Unless Colt or Jevan is going to be playing USC in the 2006 Rose Bowl, what baring does that tired statement have on anything? Try coming up with something new.

[Coug78]

So. Unless Colt or Jevan is going to be playing USC in the 2006 Rose Bowl, what baring does that tired statement have on anything? Try coming up with something new.

I'm just responding to a post. :p

[Panther63]

Don't know what to expect from the 2 young qbs,being merely adequate will get them by in 70% of ut games,but theres going to be games,plays,series,where their going to have to be great,ut off. is geared that way and how they handle those situations will determine ut NC chances.

[GarlandOwl06]

So, you already know that two QBs who have yet to take a snap of collegiate football are chokers and not good leaders. Wow, just wow. The rest of your rant is so full of errors, delusion and flat lies that is doesn't even deserve to be quoted much less responded to.

lol really? Errors? Hmm...I didn't think I made any. But I guess we can't all be as smart and is bias and as much of a homer as jtk. Im sorry sir.

Wow, just wow.

[GarlandOwl06]

I'm just responding to a post. :p

lol dont worry coug, he tends to get a little grumpy when people don't praise and worship the great Texas Longhorn football team like he does. He is ALWAYS right and nothing we can say can change that!:rolleyes:

[Coug78]

lol dont worry coug, he tends to get a little grumpy when people don't praise and worship the great Texas Longhorn football team like he does. He is ALWAYS right and nothing we can say can change that!:rolleyes:

Don't get me wrong - I think UT has a lot of great talent and after this year they will be a force. I just don't see them going undefeated with a young inexperienced QB this year.

[Texasfrog]

First.. I dont think anyone is saying that Texas is going to win the N.C this season. I do however think Texas has just as good a shot as about 10 other teams to win the glass trophy.

There is 4 or 5 games right now that are going to be battles. Heck, it's going to be that way almost any year. It was that way last year with Vince Young (Ohio St, Okla St, Tx A&M, USC) werent cake walks.

But, I do think Colt McCoy and even Snead are going to be alright and probably better then many people are giving credit to right now.

But , time well tell. I'll be rooting for them..:D

[jtk1519]

First.. I dont think anyone is saying that Texas is going to win the N.C this season. I do however think Texas has just as good a shot as about 10 other teams to win the glass trophy.

Don't try and reason with them... the delusion has already set in. The kool-aid has been digested and all hopes for any reasoning with them is gone. No matter what you say, it will not get through. You can tell the season is getting close.

[dragonsdaddy]

if texas does happen to repeat this year and win then u have to ask yourself how can we lose the year after that lol
if they do, they might just retire the trophy in austin. they should win every year after next, looking at their recruiting classes.

[dragonsdaddy]

I think CFN summed it up perfectly...

"If Jevan Snead and Colt McCoy can be merely adequate, the Longhorns could be back in the national title game."

Simple as that.
this seems to me to be saying something along these lines.

[Favpack]

this seems to me to be saying something along these lines.

What was the original premise of this thread? I'm lost and refuse to look at the map.

[dragonsdaddy]

What was the original premise of this thread? I'm lost and refuse to look at the map.
see post on page one, or directly above your last.

[Favpack]

see post on page one, or directly above your last.

Actually I was trying my hand at comedy - I'll stick with my day job.

It appears we may have debated full circle on this one. jtk is insinuating that "they" have drunk the (UT orange??) cool-aide and there is no rational thought left among "them" - and you appear to be leaning toward a three-peat for the beloved Horns?

[dragonsdaddy]

Actually I was trying my hand at comedy - I'll stick with my day job.

It appears we may have debated full circle on this one. jtk is insinuating that "they" have drunk the (UT orange??) cool-aide and there is no rational thought left among "them" - and you appear to be leaning toward a three-peat for the beloved Horns?
yeah, that's about right. more comedy, huh?

[jtk1519]

Actually I was trying my hand at comedy - I'll stick with my day job.

It appears we may have debated full circle on this one. jtk is insinuating that "they" have drunk the (UT orange??) cool-aide and there is no rational thought left among "them" - and you appear to be leaning toward a three-peat for the beloved Horns?

What? :confused:

[Favpack]

What? :confused:

In the words of Roseanne, Rosanna Danna -

...never mind....

I think we'll all appreciate the start of practice in a month.

Any word on Jordan Shipley's health? I hope he can get back to full speed and contribute.

[GarlandOwl06]

Don't try and reason with them... the delusion has already set in. The kool-aid has been digested and all hopes for any reasoning with them is gone. No matter what you say, it will not get through. You can tell the season is getting close.

I don't know what the kool-aid comment means. But please try and tell me how you have tried to reason on this subject. You've done no differently that anyone else in this thread.

[SLCDRGN]

UT Backers will expect TOO Much from these guys!! They will struggle and lose their confidence early. I don't envy the position either one of these guys are in. They will be set-up for failure. This is a very sad situation!!

[jtk1519]

Any word on Jordan Shipley's health? I hope he can get back to full speed and contribute.

He's been full speed for a while now. He looked really good in the Spring game.

[jtk1519]

I don't know what the kool-aid comment means. But please try and tell me how you have tried to reason on this subject. You've done no differently that anyone else in this thread.

Point out where I haven't. All I did was agree with what College Football News said and you respond with such ridiculous statements as...

This year without Vince will they win it?!?!? NOT A CHANCE!!!

The truth of the matter is that QB is the most important position on the field and next year Texas doesn't have a good one.

Texas fans tend to be very dillusional so I'm not surprised that there are people on here claiming this will be a better team than last year. (the part in bold indicates a complete fabrication since no such comment has been made by anybody)

Yet, somehow, I have been less than reasonable. It's funny to be on the outside and see how the kool-aid distorts the brain of it's feeble minded consumer.

[Coug78]

UT Backers will expect TOO Much from these guys!! They will struggle and lose their confidence early. I don't envy the position either one of these guys are in. They will be set-up for failure. This is a very sad situation!!

:D :D :D :D