What is more important? Coaching or Talent?

[Rerun]

What do you guys think? What is more important to have in order to produce a winning team?

Good coaching or Good talent?

[Texas Hammer]

What do you guys think? What is more important to have in order to produce a winning team?

Good coaching or Good talent?
In the spirit of Jeopardy:

How many D1 recruits have come out of Judson since 1980?

Coaching stays and talent comes and goes. I'll take coaching.

[SV05champs]

Just look at SV, average talent, great record. Only a couple of D-1 recruits in the past 3 years. Coaching in my book. And SV has the best for sure..



What do you guys think? What is more important to have in order to produce a winning team?

Good coaching or Good talent?

[KT2000]

This is going to seem like a crappy answer, but they are both important. It depends on your definition of talent, really. I believe programs like Smithson Valley, Judson and Katy all have talented football players despite the fact they don't produce many "D1 studs" at all. It always comes down to a group of players executing their particular assignments. To put it Matrix-style...coaching can show players the door, but it's up to the players to walk through it.

I will say this also...No team, regardless of talent, can win without effective/efficient tactics and organization.

So, I guess we got to my real answer in the end ;) .

[adcwalker]

Coaching hands down. You can have talnted athletes but they will be beat by someone with better fundamentals and a team attitude. That is one of the issues with Waco. They have great athletes every year but they are not as well coached as some of the other 5A teams.

[PackAttack2005]

A coaching staff must know how to use the talent they have and create an effective system to build talent in a program. Coaching is definatly number one to me, because I have seen lots of talent go through the Lufkin system before John Outlaw arrived without much results, he and his coaching staff have changed all of that in the last 10 years. AS far as Lufkin is concerned, I say COACHING. He also developed the disipline and dedication the players needed to become a winning program.

[pack0808]

if you can combine both that is the best choice. ;)

[RidgePride]

I will say this also...No team, regardless of talent, can win without effective/efficient tactics and organization.

So, I guess we got to my real answer in the end ;) .


That is certainly true. To go along with your quote, There are many teams loaded with D1 talent that do not go very far.

The team I played for had good coaching and a bunch of slow WB's and we still beat teams with much more team spead and athleticism.

I'll Take good/Great coaching at the High School level.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

I'll take coaching for $1. :D

[ktchamp97]

Coaching talent. ;)

[raidercheerdad]

Coaching talent. ;)
talented coaches!

[CARROLL1]

Talent

[raidercheerdad]

It matters not how sharp nor how many the arrows if one has no bow with which to shoot them!

[CARROLL1]

I Do Like Your Quote

[Big Daddy Cool]

Anyone that has watched North Shore football for anytime will tell the difference a good coach can make ona program. Before Coach Aymond came to NS they had always had talented players they just didn't have a coach who knew how to control or lead that talent. That was on of the biggest factors that lead Aymond to want to come to NS. Playing againt them while at Nimitz he saw there was a load of talent that just needed some direction. Now granted we've only got one title but i think the run we've had since his arrival shows how imprtant a good coaching staff is.

[RidgePride]

Talent

Sounds strange coming from a Southlake person since I believe Lufkin has had more talent than SLC in 02 and 04.

I also think SLC had more Talent than Katy in 03.

[Texasfrog]

Having a good coaching staff is very important for several reasons.

1. Coaching theory (types of offense, defense)
2. Establishing a strong program

So, I'll say to establish a true strong PROGRAM.. it takes a solid coaching staff.

But, to really win at a high level in Texas. It takes some talent. You have to have players that have the size, speed and talent to play football. All the elite Texas teams (5A and 4A) have strong PROGRAMS (alot of players and ect) and they have some solid Talent.

[VB Pack Fan]

Well I think you got to have a little of both. The coaches can teach all they want but if the talent is not there they will only go so far but never reach that level of champions. On the flip side the same goes, the coaches have to be inventive and know what their players can do.Lufkin has had some great talent over the years, but can you really say they were as good or better as the kids we have now......what measureing stick do you use. There has been teams with the same coaching that win and then the lean years come when they don,t..........so what,s up with that....just my opinon on the subject. :cool:.....HEY I,M A STARTER NOW :D

[LeanderLions3033]

Teams like Smithson Valley and Katy have far more talent then people (including their own fans) give them credit for. I'm not saying this is what wins them ball games, because its clearly coaching that does since they dont have the talent that a Lufkin or a Longview has, but they have more than above average talent IMO.

[SV05champs]

If this is true, name one player that would have fit in the D-1 section of talent? Joe is all that got a scholorship at a D-1 school, and that was for baseball. Beyer is the only player next year that is going to a D-1. They do have talent, but not above average. If they do, I would like to know who they are...



Teams like Smithson Valley and Katy have far more talent then people (including their own fans) give them credit for. I'm not saying this is what wins them ball games, because its clearly coaching that does since they dont have the talent that a Lufkin or a Longview has, but they have more than above average talent IMO.

[pooch]

This is going to seem like a crappy answer, but they are both important. It depends on your definition of talent, really. I believe programs like Smithson Valley, Judson and Katy all have talented football players despite the fact they don't produce many "D1 studs" at all. It always comes down to a group of players executing their particular assignments. To put it Matrix-style...coaching can show players the door, but it's up to the players to walk through it.

I will say this also...No team, regardless of talent, can win without effective/efficient tactics and organization.

So, I guess we got to my real answer in the end ;) .

I'll take the red pill.

[Texasfrog]

If this is true, name one player that would have fit in the D-1 section of talent? Joe is all that got a scholorship at a D-1 school, and that was for baseball. Beyer is the only player next year that is going to a D-1. They do have talent, but not above average. If they do, I would like to know who they are...

S.Valley has more talent then that.... last season ya'll had the LB go to Baylor. But, you also had a huge (O-lineman) that went to Texas St. D-1AA but that could of easily gone to some D-1A school somewhere. I'm sure he just wanted to stay closer to home. There was also a handful of solid players were D-1AA level players on the team (rather they signed or not).

Second.. this years S.Valley class looks like it will have anywhere from 3 to maybe 4 players go D-1A.

S.Valley has some solid talent... but what really helps them is they just have alot of very good coachable kids that learn and get it RIGHT the first time. How many kids are in the SV program (9th thru Varisty) ? I bet is about 200.

[GoOwls]

Coaching....coaching.....coaching.

A mighty warship without a rudder is just glorified flotsam.

[PurdueSully]

Coaching hands down. Granted, you have to have talent to go with that but if you dont have a good coach then you wont have a good team. There are the exceptions of teams doing great without a good coach every once in awhile. But consistent programs do well with an amazing coach.

[LeanderLions3033]

You can have talent, but not division 1 talent like somebody mentioned earlier. You may not have a bunch of fast, strong guys, but you could have alot of strong guys, and then have alot of fast guys (if this is making sense). You could have a guy that runs a solid 4.4, but is only 5'8" 140 lbs. But he could still be a very talented, and feared high school player, but his size is keeping college coaches away from looking at him. Or maybe a very gamesmart qb that has a hell of an arm, yet hes only 5'10" 165 lbs. Thats the difference between Division one talent, and a talented team.

[SLCDad]

Coaching has got to be first on the list. However, there has to be plenty of talent, character, tradition, community support, etc. The great HS school coaches in Texas would never be as successful at schools that lack the other dimensions.

[KLH75287]

You can have the greatest ship ever built, but without a capable Captain and crew, it'll never reach it's destination.

The only example I can think of where talent prevaled over coaching, would be the Cowboys winning the S-Bowl with Barry Switzer at the helm. That is the exception to the rule.

A good coach will take less talent farther than a bad coach will take a team of all world talent... IE: Mack Brown :o

Luckily LP has both. I CAN'T WAIT UNTIL SEPTEMBER !!!

GO PACK IN '05

[svstate05]

dont get me wrong talent helps...but without good guidance...talent does nothing for you. football is 90% mental and 10% physical....so you might have the 10% with raw talent but without a good coaching staff you missing a whole 90% of the game.

[pooch]

Coaching by a smudge.

[Xfballphenome05]

i think well have about 3 d-1 players on the team next year,beyer,sendejo,volz.coaching is more important,not very many teams can make it just on talented players.

[SV05champs]

Yea Joe Pawelek went to Baylor on a Baseball scholorship
Prior to that we had Clint Haney attend Texas, was redshirted, hurt his back, never played again. Corey Clark went to TAMU, he was too redshirted, but is suppose to start this year. That is 3 in the past 5 years. There have been a few attend some small schools, but we have not had a D-1 started yet. Not saying SV has not had some talent, just saying they have not had what other teams have. SV just has really good coaching, very smart kids that want to learn and work hard, and a community that believes in them. That is why they win.






S.Valley has more talent then that.... last season ya'll had the LB go to Baylor. But, you also had a huge (O-lineman) that went to Texas St. D-1AA but that could of easily gone to some D-1A school somewhere. I'm sure he just wanted to stay closer to home. There was also a handful of solid players were D-1AA level players on the team (rather they signed or not).

Second.. this years S.Valley class looks like it will have anywhere from 3 to maybe 4 players go D-1A.

S.Valley has some solid talent... but what really helps them is they just have alot of very good coachable kids that learn and get it RIGHT the first time. How many kids are in the SV program (9th thru Varisty) ? I bet is about 200.

[ktCarl]

COACHING.

SV sounds a lot like the Katy program.

[SV05champs]

It is. SV 24 Katy 20, 2002. One heck of a game, with no "great" talent on either side. Just a field of kids that give it all they have, and do what is asked of them. Very limited mistake football from both teams that day.


COACHING.

SV sounds a lot like the Katy program.

[SV05champs]

The last and ONLY huge O-lineman that SV has ever had went to TAMU. I hope you are not referring to last year here??? Also forgot to mention Fuller who is playing at Tech. He however went there to play baseball, but played football as well. So that makes 4 in the last 5 years that went to a D-1 school. As for next year. Beyer is going to TAMU, Sendejo, and Volz will probably go. As of today Beyer is the only for sure going.



"" But, you also had a huge (O-lineman) that went to Texas St. D-1AA but that could of easily gone to some D-1A school somewhere. ""

[Slim-Rob]

Coaching

[Reaganrattler07]

Definately coaching....players come and go but coaching stays.