Texans will select Mario Williams #1

[jtk1519]

I know scuttlebutt 24 hours before the draft is about as believable as a Marcus Vick apology, but it was just reported on NFL radio that the Texans will not draft Bush, but instead select Mario Williams. ESPiN's Len Pasquarelli is suggesting the same...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2425818

[KT2000]

Wow, I just heard the exact opposite on 610 Sports Radio here on the way back from work. All signs pointing to Bush according to the sources they have.

[KT2000]

If the Texans do take Williams, the entire draft will go up in smoke behind that.

[jtk1519]

Mortenson on Sportscenter just confirmed that the Texans have not been negotiating with Bush for over 24 hours while negotiating furiously with Williams.

[KT2000]

All bets are off if that happens. Vince would most likely go to Oakland in that scenario. Al Davis loves him.

[AZTiger]

If the Texans do take Williams, the entire draft will go up in smoke behind that.

Guess who's happy?

ME!

We desperately need a defensive playmaker it's not even funny.

[jtk1519]

All bets are off if that happens. Vince would most likely go to Oakland in that scenario. Al Davis loves him.

I don't think so. Vince will still go #3 to the Titans. What could change is the #4 pick. New Orleans could draft Bush and if that happens, we'll never hear of him again, but they said on Sportscenter that if Bush was available at #2, the Jets would trade up to get him meaning Leinart would more than likely fall. Oakland has suggested that they won't take a QB unless Vince is there and Dennis Green was on Cold Pizza this morning suggesting that they would not take a QB either.

[KT2000]

I'm glad someone knows how to sort through the mess. The 610 guys made it sound like Hiroshima II if the Texans went "against the grain" and picked Mario.

[svhorns]

If I were the Texans I would probably choose Williams to but Im not the Texans so we'll see what happens. Domanick Davis is a good back no need for Reggie just need an OL

[jtk1519]

I would draft Da'Brick. He's by far the best OL in the draft and the kind of guy you can build an entire line around.

[svhorns]

I would draft Da'Brick. He's by far the best OL in the draft and the kind of guy you can build an entire line around.
Thats true but remember Robert Gallery?

[AZTiger]

Oh Lord, the Texans message board is a place for high comedy. The folks there (with the exception of myself and a few others) are IMPLODING

[TexasRed6x]

Well if the Texans take Williams they are shooting themselves in the chest and making the dumbest decision in franchise history IMO because Bush is the best player in this draft and they would be REALLY stupid if they pass on him.

[jtk1519]

Thats true but remember Robert Gallery?

Sure do. He's the starting RT in Oakalnd where he has started all but one game since being drafted. He's one of the few bright spots they have.

[AZTiger]

Signed. Sealed. Delivered.

it is finished

[jtk1519]

Rich Eisen on NFL Network and 610 in Houston are saying Williams has been signed to a 5 year deal rumored to be worth more than what they offered Reggie Bush so this was never a money issue.

[AZTiger]

Rich Eisen on NFL Network and 610 in Houston are saying Williams has been signed to a 5 year deal rumored to be worth more than what they offered Reggie Bush so this was never a money issue.

which is what i was trying to tell everyone on the Texans board. they're morons there.

it's got more to do with the fact the league is gonna investigate that whole extorsion issue

[jtk1519]

I find it hard to believe that all the "drama" surrounding Bush had anything to do with this, but the timing does lead one to believe that it did.

[AZTiger]

i'm so pumped

a.) this move is so against the grain, i love it

b.) the draft just got a lot more fun to watch in the morning

and c.) our defense was brutal, and we needed a playmaker on that side of the ball

[jtk1519]

From what I have heard, the Texans couldn't get anybody to move up so trading down was not an option (that would have been the best thing to do had it been). Outside of drafting The Brick, I think this is the smartest move the Texans could have made. It addresses a position that actually needs to be addressed.

I guess this smart move on behalf of the Texans is proof positive that Charlie Casserly no longer has any say in anything.

[AZTiger]

The new rumor is we're looking to trade back into the late first round to get a RB

Joseph Addai...COME ON HOME BUDDY!

[jtk1519]

Addai isn't worth trading up for IMO. There will be some very good backs like Jerious Norwood, Wali Lundy or Gerald Riggs Jr. deep in this draft.

[jtk1519]

NEW YORK -- In a stunning move that will reverberate through the first round of Saturday's NFL draft, the Texans have signed North Carolina State defensive end Mario Williams to a contract, meaning he'll be the first player selected.

By signing Williams to a contract that will guarantee him almost $22 million this year, the Texans turned their back on Southern California running back Reggie Bush as well as University of Texas quarterback Vince Young.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/3828229.html

[AZTiger]

None of those guys listed have a first round grade either. I don't know who they're targeting at RB late in the first, Maroney or Williams? No freakin' way Williams falls that far.

[Dawg Fan]

If they pass on Bush and he turns out to be the next Barry Sanders I am gonna laugh my a** off. They might be better defensively but it won't matter if they don't score points on offense. Dumb move

[Dawg Fan]

It sure is easier to not be a Texans fan.:D

[jtk1519]

If they pass on Bush and he turns out to be the next Barry Sanders I am gonna laugh my a** off. They might be better defensively but it won't matter if they don't score points on offense. Dumb move

Doesn't matter if they score points if they can't stop the other team from scoring.

[Dawg Fan]

They won't do either:eek:

[jtk1519]

None of those guys listed have a first round grade either. I don't know who they're targeting at RB late in the first, Maroney or Williams? No freakin' way Williams falls that far.

How many RBs with "first round grade" did Kubiak turn into 1000 yard rushers in Denver? Very few. Like I have said many times before... the success Kubiak and the Broncos had running the ball had less to do with the RB and more to do with the great O-lines they have had. That's why they can take all these "washed up" or mid-level talent RBs and make them look so good.

[jtk1519]

They won't do either:eek:

They sure wouldn't have with Bush. At least now they have a chance to stop some people. They have a guy now that they can build their new 4-3 defense around.

[jtk1519]

6 year $54 million deal according to ESPiN

[Dawg Fan]

One guy on defense will not stop people from scoring but a talent like Bush could score some spectacular TD's. They will have something to build with drafting Williams but it will take a while. People go to the games to watch scoring and not defensive struggles. I think they should have taken Bush this year and gone for the defender next year or trade Davis for some defensive help. I still think it is a dumb move and the seasion will answer whether they made the right decision.

[KT2000]

Mario Williams isn't the "sexy" pick, but I think people are jumping the boat big time with the reaction to this so far. Williams is every bit the freak of nature Bush is athletically for his position on the field. There's a good reason he's the consensus pick as the top defensive player available.

Lesson #1,000,001 why you shouldn't believe anything you see/hear about the Draft until it actually happens at the podium on the big day.

[AZTiger]

Mario Williams isn't the "sexy" pick, but I think people are jumping the boat big time with the reaction to this so far. Williams is every bit the freak of nature Bush is athletically for his position on the field. There's a good reason he's the consensus pick as the top defensive player available.

Lesson #1,000,001 why you shouldn't believe anything you see/hear about the Draft until it actually happens at the podium on the big day.

The number of phone calls I've received proclaiming "this will burn us forever" is ridiculous. I hate Houston fans.

[jtk1519]

One guy on defense will not stop people from scoring but a talent like Bush could score some spectacular TD's. They will have something to build with drafting Williams but it will take a while. People go to the games to watch scoring and not defensive struggles. I think they should have taken Bush this year and gone for the defender next year or trade Davis for some defensive help. I still think it is a dumb move and the seasion will answer whether they made the right decision.

Like has been said before... Kubiak has never had a first round RB, but he's always had one of the leagues best rushing attacks.

If the Texans really want a "Reggie Bush" type back, it would be much, much smarter for them to draft Mississippi State's Jerious Norwood. As far as measurables go, Norwood and Bush are practically twins. Bush is 5'10 201 who runs a 4.33. Norwood is 5'11 210 who runs a 4.33. The only difference is that Norwood played on a suck-a** team. Oh and then there's the fact that you can pick him up in the 2nd or 3rd round for one tenth of what Bush would have cost.

[pack4life]

HOLY S***!! This is going to throw off the draft BIG TIME:D!!!! I can't wait until tomorrow!!!!!!!!!

[dragonfootballfan]

which is what i was trying to tell everyone on the Texans board. they're morons there.

it's got more to do with the fact the league is gonna investigate that whole extorsion issue
I am still trying to figure out how the Texans have enough fans to warrant a message board. I thought that two cups and a string would have covered their entire fanbase.

[jtk1519]

Texans message board = NFL Texags

[hoo2ers]

6 year $54 million deal according to ESPiN

I would rather seen them spend that $54 million on Young as a backup QB just in case Carr is not the man they hope he is than on a DE that has no more gaurantees of success than Young or Bush. Heck I would even be content if they opted for the "Brick".

In my opinion this blows.:mad:

[hoo2ers]

It sure is easier to not be a Texans fan.:D

So very true Dawggie !!

[AZTiger]

I am still trying to figure out how the Texans have enough fans to warrant a message board. I thought that two cups and a string would have covered their entire fanbase.

I'm still trying to figure out how someone with your mental capacity got on the internet ;)

[dragonfootballfan]

Texans message board = NFL Texags
this I have to see.

[jtk1519]

this I have to see.

It was down just a minute ago. Said something about the server being too busy.

[AZTiger]

it's off and on, like 1500 users on there now

There are about 10 of us, myself included, on that board who actually have a ******* clue when it comes to football.

[jtk1519]

it's off and on, like 1500 users on there now

There are about 10 of us, myself included, on that board who actually have a ******* clue when it comes to football.

So it's like a smarter version of Texags.

[AZTiger]

So it's like a smarter version of Texags.

well any board with me posting is smarter ;)

[jtk1519]

well any board with me posting is smarter ;)

I thought I was the only one capable of posting something so arrogant.

You have my respect. :cool:

[AZTiger]

i think you've rubbed off on me a little

Seriously, when dealing with mental midgets like those, it's easily to be arrogant.

Have you read anything on there? My handle on that board is bradk10

[dragonfootballfan]

So it's like a smarter version of Texags.
a sight with two monkeys and a 6 month old is a smarter version of texags

[HUM398]

it's off and on, like 1500 users on there now

There are about 10 of us, myself included, on that board who actually have a ******* clue when it comes to football.

You my friend, are not thinking straight. REGARDLESS OF HOW GOOD WILLIAMS IS YOU DONT PICK HIM INFRONT OF BUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PERIOD. This is a stupid move that will hurt PR and there ticket sales. YOU CAN NOT AFFORD TO MAKE A MOVE LIKE THIS WITH A SEASON LIKE LAST YEARS.... YOU DONT HAVE THE FAN SUPPORT TO DO SOMTHING LIKE THAT. THIS IS THE NFL, ITS MORE THEN JUST BUILDING TEAM. ITS SELLING THE SEATS!!!!

TO THE TEXANS: YOU WERE NO FUN TO WATCH LAST YEAR. A COMPLETE LACK OF TALENT REEKED YOUR LOCKER ROOM. NOW YOU PASS ON YOUNG AND BUSH........YOU HAVE JUST COMMITIED PR SUICIDED

[AZTiger]

a sight with two monkeys and a 6 month old is a smarter version of texags

the Texags A&M Football forum, yes

funny thing is, the "A&M Baseball" forum on texags is the best place I've found to discuss MLB. I don't give two ***** about A&M baseball, but lots of good MLB discussion there. The Health and Fitness forum and the local forums for specific cities are good. The rest of the site, especially the "General" board, is garbage. I refuse to read the football portion of that site anymore.

[AZTiger]

You my friend, are not thinking straight. REGARDLESS OF HOW GOOD WILLIAMS IS YOU DONT PICK HIM INFRONT OF BUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PERIOD. This is a stupid move that will hurt PR and there ticket sales. YOU CAN NOT AFFORD TO MAKE A MOVE LIKE THIS WITH A SEASON LIKE LAST YEARS.... YOU DONT HAVE THE FAN SUPPORT TO DO SOMTHING LIKE THAT. THIS IS THE NFL, ITS MORE THEN JUST BUILDING TEAM. ITS SELLING THE SEATS!!!!

TO THE TEXANS: YOU WERE NO FUN TO WATCH LAST YEAR. A COMPLETE LACK OF TALENT REEKED YOUR LOCKER ROOM. NOW YOU PASS ON YOUNG AND BUSH........YOU HAVE JUST COMMITIED PR SUICIDED

McNair has ginormous balls. He knows the PR hit this will mean, but he understands that in the long run, a winning football team will keep seats filled.

[TexasRed6x]

The Texans will indeed pass on Bush after signing DE Mario Williams to a contract. CASSERLY YOU ARE A TOTAL IDIOT FOR PASSING ON THE BEST PLAYER IN THE DRAFT!!!!:mad:

[AZTiger]

The Texans will indeed pass on Bush after signing DE Mario Williams to a contract. CASSERLY YOU ARE A TOTAL IDIOT FOR PASSING ON THE BEST PLAYER IN THE DRAFT!!!!:mad:

Hey moron, if you'd clue in, you'd realize that Mario was Kubiak and McNair's boy, not Casserly's

[jtk1519]

The Texans will indeed pass on Bush after signing DE Mario Williams to a contract. CASSERLY YOU ARE A TOTAL IDIOT FOR PASSING ON THE BEST PLAYER IN THE DRAFT!!!!:mad:

Casserly supposedly has no say at all in this draft. It's pretty much Kubiak and McNair running the show.

[jtk1519]

i think you've rubbed off on me a little

Seriously, when dealing with mental midgets like those, it's easily to be arrogant.

Have you read anything on there? My handle on that board is bradk10

You have been spotted...

http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/image.php?u=502&dateline=1137982322

[AZTiger]

You have been spotted...

http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zone/messageboards/image.php?u=502&dateline=1137982322

Don't mess with Kid Dynamite!

[TexasRed6x]

Hey moron, if you'd clue in, you'd realize that Mario was Kubiak and McNair's boy, not Casserly's
Oh sorry dude. I didn't know that.

[AZTiger]

Oh sorry dude. I didn't know that.

Didn't mean to name call, just VERY frustrated with fans right now.

[KT2000]

Tomorrow is going to be a lot of fun.

[TexasRed6x]

Didn't mean to name call, just VERY frustrated with fans right now.
I'm Fustrated too. They passed on the best player in the draft but I think that they really needed defense so I am happy anyways with the selection but I will be a fan of those two players.

[ktchamp97]

I don't do this often...but in light of the Texans SMART decision not to draft Reggie Bush, I'd like to recall what I said on 1/26/06:

If the Texans aren't going to draft Vince, they need to trade down and acquire more draft picks and/or some OL's.

Reggie Bush would NOT be a smart draft pick for the Texans.
1. Domanick Davis managed to be Offensive ROY and rush for an average of 1,000 yards per season and adds another 400 yards per season as a receiver despite missing 8 games (5 last year) and running behind the worst line in football. The Texans have MUCH more glaring needs.
2. He's severely overrated as a return man, plus, the Texans current return man is going to the Pro Bowl, so drafting him for this supposed versatility makes no sense for Houston.
3. The last RB to go #1 was Ki-Jana Carter in '95...before that, it was Bo in '86. You can get an outstanding, every-down back in the latter rounds. RB's are not good value at #1.

Either take Vince, or find some desperate team that's dying to have someone with the combined DNA of Gayle Sayers, Barry Sanders, and Marshall Faulk yet wasn't the best RB on his college team, and get some help where you really badly need it...as in everywhere else but running back!

Now, I've come to terms with the fact that they're not taking Vince...I'm cool with that...really, I think...maybe...

But seriously, drafting Bush would have been dumb. I still wish they would've rigged some kind of trade for more picks, and I'm not sure about Mario Williams as the #1 pick, but it's definitely smarter than going with Bush.

If Bush ends up being Sayers, Sanders, Payton, and Jim Brown rolled into one as most proclaim, I'll gladly admit I was wrong, but I have never seen that in him.

[TexasRed6x]

I heard that Super Mario is a beast on defense according to Mel Kiper. Do you guys think that is true?

[ktchamp97]

I heard that Super Mario is a beast on defense according to Mel Kiper. Do you guys think that is true?

Honestly, I fear that he may just be a "workout warrior", but I will also honestly say that I don't know that much about him other than the fact that for a guy with such great physical tools, he didn't dominate as you would have expected.

Guys with his athletic ability at that size rarely come around and he has proven to be a solid player. I think he has "Beast" potential in the NFL...certainly. The thing is, for the Texans, he's an instant, significant upgrade to what they've got currently.

[KT2000]

A much needed player in their new 4-3 scheme on defense.

[TexasRed6x]

Honestly, I fear that he may just be a "workout warrior", but I will also honestly say that I don't know that much about him other than the fact that for a guy with such great physical tools, he didn't dominate as you would have expected.

Guys with his athletic ability at that size rarely come around and he has proven to be a solid player. I think he has "Beast" potential in the NFL...certainly. The thing is, for the Texans, he's an instant, significant upgrade to what they've got currently.
Yeah and I definitely think he will help with our defense and Kubiak will do all that he possibly can to make our defense a whole lot better and I can't wait to see what he has in store for Houston this year.

[jtk1519]

Consider this one final barage of statistics...

Last year, playing behind one of the worst O-lines in history, the Texans had the 15th best rushing attack in the NFL and 8th best in the AFC.

Last year, the Texans ranked 31st in the league in total defense and dead last in the NFL against the run.

I think the signing of a huge, run-stopping DE is starting to sound like a smarter move with each passing second.

[TexasRed6x]

Consider this one final barage of statistics...

Last year, playing behind one of the worst O-lines in history, the Texans had the 15th best rushing attack in the NFL and 8th best in the AFC.

Last year, the Texans ranked 31st in the league in total defense and dead last in the NFL against the run.

I think the signing of a huge, run-stopping DE is starting to sound like a smarter move with each passing second.
Thanks for proving me wrong on that point jtk. All this time I have been pulling for Bush because of his talent and his playmaking ability and I now realize that in a draft needs are the most important thing for a team that needs alot of help and the Texans needed help on defense and to them it was a no-brainer for them because they knew that he would upgrade their defense alot. Overall I think it is a good choice for the team even though I thought that they were going to take Bush.

[AZTiger]

I'm so excited about this, yet at the same time so freakin pissed at the idiot fans the Texans have

I hope I can play softball decent tonight

[jtk1519]

I think another reason defense was addressed first and the reason it NEEDED to be addressed first is because of the transition to the 4-3 defense. It is very hard for "3-4 guys" to play in a 4-3 scheme and visa versa. Houston needs to almost completely redo their front 7 and I think Williams is a good foundation on which to do that.

[TexasRed6x]

I'm so excited about this, yet at the same time so freakin pissed at the idiot fans the Texans have

I hope I can play softball decent tonight
Yeah I agree as well.

[TexasRed6x]

If the Texans do take Williams, the entire draft will go up in smoke behind that.
Looks like the Saints have hit the jackpot with the most explosive player in the draft with Bush.

[TexasRed6x]

Oh Lord, the Texans message board is a place for high comedy. The folks there (with the exception of myself and a few others) are IMPLODING
Where's the link?

[Dawg Fan]

Kubiak may very well be a short timer if he doesn't get the fans in the seats. I think you would have sold tons of season tickets with either Young or Bush but not Williams. I wonder how much time he has to get things turned around. NFL is big business and yes winning games does fill the seats. They better start winning with a better defense because I don't see them scoring any more this year than they did last year. JMO

[ThEgReAtOnE]

The truth is Houston has a horrible defense and underachieving offense. Their offense can get only get better with the addition of Bush, yet their defense will stay useless, unless they add some athletic talent. IMO Mario Williams has just as much upside as Reggie Bush...however, Bush has been on TV the last 2 years playing for one of the best teams in the nation. Williams is an excellent pick...I just wish Houston could of also picked up LB - Lavar Arrington, as well.

I'd also like to see Houston get a couple of guys - in the Draft - like...

DE - Mario Williams 6'7 295 (N.C. State) (obvious pick)
OT - Marcus McNeill 6'8 340 (Auburn) Husky. Great feet and power.
OG - Max Jean-Gilles 6'4 350 (Georgia) Beyond husky. Superb run blocker.
RB - Gerald Riggs Jr. 5'11 235 (Tennessee) Bulky power runner.
DB - Devin Hester 5'11 190 (Miami) Deion Sanders athletic ability.
OLB - Brandon Johnson 6'4 230 (Louisville) Athletic LB. 4.3 to 4.4 speed.

[TexasRed6x]

The truth is Houston has a horrible defense and underachieving offense. Their offense can get only get better with the addition of Bush, yet their defense will stay useless, unless they add some athletic talent. IMO Mario Williams has just as much upside as Reggie Bush...however, Bush has been on TV the last 2 years playing for one of the best teams in the nation. Williams is an excellent pick...I just wish Houston could of also picked up LB - Lavar Arrington, as well.

I'd also like to see Houston get a couple of guys - in the Draft - like...

DE - Mario Williams 6'7 295 (N.C. State) (obvious pick)
OT - Marcus McNeill 6'8 340 (Auburn) Husky. Great feet and power.
OG - Max Jean-Gilles 6'4 350 (Georgia) Beyond husky. Superb run blocker.
RB - Gerald Riggs Jr. 5'11 235 (Tennessee) Bulky power runner.
DB - Devin Hester 5'11 190 (Miami) Deion Sanders athletic ability.
OLB - Brandon Johnson 6'4 230 (Louisville) Athletic LB. 4.3 to 4.4 speed.
I heard that Gerald Riggs jr is a rising star in this draft.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

I heard that Gerald Riggs jr is a rising star in this draft.

He's getting high, but he should still be there at the bottom of the 3rd or top of the 4th rd. He's an inside bruiser back. He only weighes a little over 230 lbs, but can easily add another 10 to 15 lbs of bulk, without losing speed or agility. He looks for someone to run into...or over! I like those kind of runners.

[jtk1519]

Kubiak may very well be a short timer if he doesn't get the fans in the seats. I think you would have sold tons of season tickets with either Young or Bush but not Williams. I wonder how much time he has to get things turned around. NFL is big business and yes winning games does fill the seats. They better start winning with a better defense because I don't see them scoring any more this year than they did last year. JMO

Reggie Bush isn't going to sell more season tickets and it's stupid to think he would. Vince might, but even he wouldn't equal a huge change. Nothing will sell more season tickets than winning and Mario Williams is a better step towards winning than Reggie Bush. Simple as that.

[HUM398]

McNair has ginormous balls. He knows the PR hit this will mean, but he understands that in the long run, a winning football team will keep seats filled.


No..... Look Williams is a great player and is a beast AT TIMES on defense (watch his film, he didnt start being a BEAST tell the second half of his sen. season), also if we are trying to fix the defense we could of done it later on in the draft and saved some money...No you say? WHO LINED UP ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF WILLIAMS...in my opinon the young man on the opposite is FAR better then williams, Why you ask? More experiance, Faster and just as strong. Bush was a no-branier! Yes he has more Question marks then williams but bush scores touchdowns....

To jtk... yes we were no. 15 in rushing....but how many times did it result in a touchdown or win us a game. Not more then 2 i can tell you that much.
Second of all, We were running a 3-4 with players that really had no experiance with the 3-4 including Johnson who we drafted last year...Yes it is a smart football move for the long run...but to me it came off as them trying to win now. who is going to score touchdowns like crazy if not bush or young......Andre???? Eric???? they have to be able to catch the ball inorder to score, and to me they dont have an adiquet o-line or QB. The rushing gane was suppose to improve to help support carr and bring some of the attention off of him and onto bush because he can score at anytime. I know williams cant score touchdowns.

Bush might not of sold more tickets but our revenue off of jerseys and such would be obsurd. Not only that maybe we would have more highlight reels on espn of the texans dominating instead of being dominated.
bottom line...bad move.

[TexasRed6x]

No..... Look Williams is a great player and is a beast AT TIMES on defense (watch his film, he didnt start being a BEAST tell the second half of his sen. season), also if we are trying to fix the defense we could of done it later on in the draft and saved some money...No you say? WHO LINED UP ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF WILLIAMS...in my opinon the young man on the opposite is FAR better then williams, Why you ask? More experiance, Faster and just as strong. Bush was a no-branier! Yes he has more Question marks then williams but bush scores touchdowns....

To jtk... yes we were no. 15 in rushing....but how many times did it result in a touchdown or win us a game. Not more then 2 i can tell you that much.
Second of all, We were running a 3-4 with players that really had no experiance with the 3-4 including Johnson who we drafted last year...Yes it is a smart football move for the long run...but to me it came off as them trying to win now. who is going to score touchdowns like crazy if not bush or young......Andre???? Eric???? they have to be able to catch the ball inorder to score, and to me they dont have an adiquet o-line or QB. The rushing gane was suppose to improve to help support carr and bring some of the attention off of him and onto bush because he can score at anytime. I know williams cant score touchdowns.

bottom line...bad move.
Yeah I know. They really screwed up on that pick because they are missing out on the most explosive player in the draft. Williams may become the Next Merriman if we're lucky.

[HUM398]

Yeah I know. They really screwed up on that pick because they are missing out on the most explosive player in the draft. Williams may become the Next Merriman if we're lucky.

Well i hope they pick up some one that can score us some touch downs...that 2nd round pick better be a PLAYMAKER! Kubiak better know what he is doing....cause right now he lost favor with HIS people.

[Pearland1]

Thats why the Texans will always suck. Im glad bush is not coming here he deserves to play for a better team then this sucky one here.

The Texans are the joke of the NFL. Nice move retards!!!!!!!!!

[jtk1519]

Kubiak said that they picked Williams over Bush for two reasons...

One, defense wins championships. It's much... much easier to win a Superbowl with a weak offense and a great defense than it is to win with a great offense and a weak defense.

Two, Houston is in the same conference as Indy. You're not going to out-score Indy. I don't care if you clone Reggie Bush three times and line four different Reggie Bush's up at the same time... you're not going to out-score Indy. Your best bet is to try and slow them down. Since Indy owns the AFC South, I would say that is pretty logical reasoning.

[AZTiger]

Idiots, HUM and Pearland, that's what you are.

If you think the offense is gonna be the same as last year, you are SORELY mistaken.

As I've said all along, the coaching change alone is going to make an incredible difference. Better schemes and a not-so-dated mentality will make this team at least 3-4 games better in the win column...mark it down.

[jtk1519]

Chris Mortenson made a very good point last night... The Colts let Edgerrin James go so they could keep Dwight Freeney. That will let you know how valued a solid pass rusher is.

[AZTiger]

Chris Mortenson made a very good point last night... The Colts let Edgerrin James go so they could keep Dwight Freeney. That will let you know how valued a solid pass rusher is.

Don't try and spew that logic towards any of the non-AZTiger Houston fans...they just won't get it.

[slorch]

It is like nailing jello to the wall in the position Houston is in. It can be a really neat trick, or a big mess.
The top 10-15 players could each be a superstar, but usually about 10 of them fade away and a few are actually busts. The challenge is to get that difference maker that can lead as well as play. All of these players have the measurables. If you can find the Walter Payton, the LT, the Troy Aikman who has that inferno of desire burning inside, then you have stuck the landing and earned a "10" in a very tough event.

If you end up with Ryan Leaf, Tony Mandarich, or Ki-Jana Carter, it's like landing on your privates on the pommel horse...

[Drake]

Reminds me of the Rockets passing on Michael Jordan... While certainly Hakeem was no disappointment and led the Rockets to 2 championships, the Bulls got SIX... AND Jordan made Chicago the center of the basketball universe for a very long time...

There are no guarantees with Reggie Bush, but there wasn't with Jordan either... I just think he had a better chance of putting the Texans front and center than Williams does...

[slorch]

Reminds me of the Rockets passing on Michael Jordan... While certainly Hakeem was no disappointment and led the Rockets to 2 championships, the Bulls got SIX... AND Jordan made Chicago the center of the basketball universe for a very long time...

There are no guarantees with Reggie Bush, but there wasn't with Jordan either... I just think he had a better chance of putting the Texans front and center than Williams does...
Hakeem was the right pick for Houston, without question. They got everything they could have hoped for out of that pick!
I don't think it's fair to compare anyone with Michael Jordan who quite possible was the best team athlete ever. the real question is, "Was Sam Bowie the right pick for Portland?"

[SVite]

It`s amazing to me that all you people think Houston NEEDS a rb, they NEED defense, and the O line, Period!

The only reason Bush was wanted was because people are saying he could be the best of all time, but it was not a need. they have a very good runner,reciever out of the backfield in D. Davis. With a revamped line davis will get it done.

I`m really tired of all this rb talk, It is not a NEED....get over it!

[jtk1519]

Behind a decent line, Davis is one of the premeire backs in the entire NFL. Even behind the crap line they have had the past couple of years, Davis has still had a season of 1200 rushing yards and 600 receving yards. Can you imagine what he could do if he actually had blocking? He's easily putting up Marshall Faulk like numbers... 1400+ yards rushing and 1000+ yards receiving.

[Dawg Fan]

Reggie Bush isn't going to sell more season tickets and it's stupid to think he would. Vince might, but even he wouldn't equal a huge change. Nothing will sell more season tickets than winning and Mario Williams is a better step towards winning than Reggie Bush. Simple as that.

Stupid? What arrogance.:mad: You have no basis for that opinion other than your belief that you are always right. Your dealing in speculation and nothing more just as I am. :rolleyes:

[SVite]

Behind a decent line, Davis is one of the premeire backs in the entire NFL. Even behind the crap line they have had the past couple of years, Davis has still had a season of 1200 rushing yards and 600 receving yards. Can you imagine what he could do if he actually had blocking? He's easily putting up Marshall Faulk like numbers... 1400+ yards rushing and 1000+ yards receiving.

amen brother. i agree!

[jtk1519]

Stupid? What arrogance.:mad: You have no basis for that opinion other than your belief that you are always right. Your dealing in speculation and nothing more just as I am. :rolleyes:

There is precedent for what I said. Michael Vick was arguably the most heralded collegiate prospect to enter the draft in recent memory. The hype surrounding him at the time was very much like the hype surrounding Reggie Bush now. Despite that, Atlanta's season ticket sales didn't improve that much. Football is a team game and while individual players may spark some interest here and there, they simply can't and don't single-handedly pull teams out of the gutter. Coaching changes have more impact than a single player does. It's really that simple.

[HUM398]

AZ, before you go off an make ignorant comments such as calling me an idiot because i am unhappy about the pick and accuse me of thinking the offense would go unchanged under kubiak listen to what i am saying and try to understand.

1. i am upset because we could of accquired a similar talent in a later round.

2. Reggie bush or vince young arent somthing you pass on regardless of what you need.

3. Defense wins championships but you need an offense to get there. Offense socres points and defense doesnt. We needed a O-linemen before a DT

4. This wasnt the smartest football choice. Impress me and get the guy outta virgina instead of a defensive player.

5. Houston fans arent stupid or dumb. We are tired of ridiculous losses and teams that dont care about us. Oilers hurt us by leaving and the texans hurt us by not caring.........

6. I like williams for the record, and he would of been my first round choice if it where last year or next. I think he will bring a spark to a needy defense.

So dont get me wrong AZ i am not upset because he doesnt make sense...im upset because you had reggie and vince in your grasp and said no thank
s.

just know this.....Williams isnt going to have it tough because houston fans will always try to compare his carrer to bush or young... He just be ready to fufill high expectations

[AZTiger]

No, Houston fans are front runners, and they're acting like the Texans have been doing this for 20 years. It's year 5, not 20. I'm just disgusted at these "fans" who are writing off the 2006 season already. Gimme a break, training camp is still months away, and you want to mail in the season? Terrible...

[HUM398]

No, Houston fans are front runners, and they're acting like the Texans have been doing this for 20 years. It's year 5, not 20. I'm just disgusted at these "fans" who are writing off the 2006 season already. Gimme a break, training camp is still months away, and you want to mail in the season? Terrible...


i never siad the texans would suck in 06...i still have high expectations....there off season was fantastic...i am simply disgusted w the pick...but in no way shape our form does there fantastic offseaon get voided out because of the pick....Reggie wouldnt of made the team, but we did lose 20-30 potential TDs

[AZTiger]

i never siad the texans would suck in 06...i still have high expectations....there off season was fantastic...i am simply disgusted w the pick...but in no way shape our form does there fantastic offseaon get voided out because of the pick....Reggie wouldnt of made the team, but we did lose 20-30 potential TDs

Oh I know you weren't saying that, my bad, didn't mean to imply that.

It's a little disappointing sure, but I'm excited to see Mario work to shut those other fans up.

[TexasRed6x]

Oh I know you weren't saying that, my bad, didn't mean to imply that.

It's a little disappointing sure, but I'm excited to see Mario work to shut those other fans up.
He said that he will work hard to improve this team and I am interested to see what he can do for the Texans in 2006.

[SVite]

Houston was 2nd to last in defense last year. So, they should have gone RB, when they have D. Davis. I guess with their next pick every one will be pissed if they dont get a wr, even though they have 2 very good ones. They better go OL, or defense again...

[AZTiger]

Some things I heard from him was that at NCst they didnt really teach a lot of technique, so I think his room for growth is definitely greater.

[TexasRed6x]

Houston was 2nd to last in defense last year. So, they should have gone RB, when they have D. Davis. I guess with their next pick every one will be pissed if they dont get a wr, even though they have 2 very good ones. They better go OL, or defense again...
I think that they will go defense again with their second choice and then take an offensive player in the 3rd round.

[Dawg Fan]

There is precedent for what I said. Michael Vick was arguably the most heralded collegiate prospect to enter the draft in recent memory. The hype surrounding him at the time was very much like the hype surrounding Reggie Bush now. Despite that, Atlanta's season ticket sales didn't improve that much. Football is a team game and while individual players may spark some interest here and there, they simply can't and don't single-handedly pull teams out of the gutter. Coaching changes have more impact than a single player does. It's really that simple.

I don't think that you can equate Houston to Atlanta and season ticket sales did improve but I don't see that happening at all with the Williams pick. I think you could have either traded or picked up good defensive talent later in the draft. It will be interesting to see if season ticket sales in New Orleans increase this year. My bet is yes. What I don't like is the use of the word stupid. We may have differing opinions but that doesn't make it stupid.

[HUM398]

I don't think that you can equate Houston to Atlanta and season ticket sales did improve but I don't see that happening at all with the Williams pick. I think you could have either traded or picked up good defensive talent later in the draft. It will be interesting to see if season ticket sales in New Orleans increase this year. My bet is yes. What I don't like is the use of the word stupid. We may have differing opinions but that doesn't make it stupid.

I agree with the stupid comment....but there are several comments made out of ignorance such as those about the texans being in trouble in 06. Not taking reggie doesnt mean the team goes to the dump. it just simply means that they miss out on a elusive player that would bring so much to the team....But williams is a great prospect, unfortuantly he has to come in to the team in this situtation and fans displeasure.

[Firebird]

I am going to go on record as stating that I don't like the pick too much, but agreeing that it was the smarter thing to do than drafting Reggie.

My big problem is the momey they paid out to this guy. 6 years at 54 million works out to 9 million a year. That is a steep price for a defensive lineman that hasn't demonstrated anything on the field yet. In my estimation, had they signed Bush for the same contract and he had turned out to be just "average", it would be more worth the money than if Williams turns out to be just "average". For that money, he better develop into a perenniel pro bowler.

I still wish that they could have traded down for more picks, or drafted Bush and then traded him away. BUT, since that appears not to have been an option, you can never go wrong with sigining a solid presence on the defensive line. Just think they got fleeced a bit, that is all. Williams was a guy no one at all was even mentionin as top 5, let alone first over all after the season last year. I always get wary when I hear about how good someone's "upside" is , or rant and rave from combine workouts...

[KT2000]

Upside is definitely one of the buzz words, but I think it's really one of the key things teams have to go by. I don't think you can evaluate players on just what they are now. Of course, how good they can become is very important. I don't think any team wants to draft a player that's maxed on their potential.

[slorch]

Remember in the 80's how all of those "great" linemen from Nebraska always flopped in the NFL? I think this is a good example of maxing out before getting to the league.

[AZTiger]

Remember in the 80's how all of those "great" linemen from Nebraska always flopped in the NFL? I think this is a good example of maxing out before getting to the league.

who's maxed out? Bush? Young? Certainly not Mario Williams, if anything, he's got more room to grow. The kid has said flat out he's never been taught proper techniques. He's primed to only get better.

[KatyTigerDad0407]

Bob might do well to follow Drayton's lead. Get an insurance policy. Too much money locked up in 1 rookie on the defensive side of the ball.

[Dawg Fan]

Just heard on ESPN that season tickets sales are "brisk" in New Orleans after the drafting of Reggie Bush Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm! I am sure that wouldn't have happened in Houston:rolleyes:

[AZTiger]

and guess what, they'll STILL be a losing team

[TexasRed6x]

and guess what, they'll STILL be a losing team
Yeah and I look forward to Houston having the first pick next year as well.:D

[Panther63]

Chris Mortenson made a very good point last night... The Colts let Edgerrin James go so they could keep Dwight Freeney. That will let you know how valued a solid pass rusher is.

Well thats somewhat misleading imo..Two things
1 James is past prime
2 The Colts built big leads that forced teams to pass and increased Freeney's value...Ican't remember how effective he was against the Steelers.

[Dawg Fan]

and guess what, they'll STILL be a losing team

maybe this year but they will make a ton of money and football is a business. They will probably be in the playoffs before the Texans are. I guess we will see.

[AZTiger]

maybe this year but they will make a ton of money and football is a business. They will probably be in the playoffs before the Texans are. I guess we will see.

if this wasn't a message board I'd bet you $50 you're wrong :)

[pack4life]

The decision of Mario over Bushis probably the dumbest thing houston could do.. I can't believe they would pull something this dumb.. thats the only word i can describe for this decision..dumb.

[TexasRed6x]

The decision of Mario over Bushis probably the dumbest thing houston could do.. I can't believe they would pull something this dumb.. thats the only word i can describe for this decision..dumb.
That is so true and I think this is the biggest mistake in their franchises history and I think this pick reminds me of the time the Portland Trail Blazers chose Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan.