Most overrated player in the draft

[barry324]

My vote is Matt Leinert. I just don't see anyone excelling in the NFL who can't throw the deep out well. Couple that with middling mobility, and I smell Joey Harrington.

[dragons08]

i can see reggie being a bust as well..i dont think he can 'carry the load'

[BAMF cowboy]

i can see reggie being a bust as well..i dont think he can 'carry the load'

reggie isnt that kind of back

he's more of the 3rd down, or package back. he'll be lining up at receiver some. he's going to make plays, he has the ability.

[DragonDomer]

Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Santonio Holmes

[jtk1519]

I have to say Jay Cutler. His stock has sored because of combine and pro day workouts. I also think he is rated so high because there is a pretty signifigant drop off between Vince, Matt & Jay and the rest of the QBs in the draft. If this draft was as deep as it has been in some years with at least 5-6 good QBs, Cutler would probably be taken towards the end of the first round.

[Daniel Agnew]

Jay Cutler

[KT2000]

Jay Cutler

[Drake]

I'm a lifelong Longhorn fan and I STILL think the most over-rated player in the draft is Vince Young. I also think he's one of the greatest college players of all time, but I totally agree with Merril Hoge, NFL analyst, when he says the following:

Merril Hoge, NFL analyst:

"Saying that what Vince Young did in the national championship game will translate into the NFL would be the same as saying that Texas beat USC, so they can beat the Steelers in the Super Bowl," Hoge said. "Nobody would buy that."

Hoge said he broke down film on eight Texas games but didn't have to look farther than Young's Rose Bowl performance to find evidence that he will struggle early in the NFL.

"Don't mistake an amazing athlete for an amazing quarterback," he said. "(Young) is not as fast as Michael Vick. It's not even close. As dynamic as Vick is, they design maybe one or two runs a game. There were 14 called quarterback runs in the national championship game. In the history of the NFL, nobody has called 14 quarterback runs in a game. The guy wouldn't survive."

Of Young's 40 passes in the Rose Bowl, Hoge said, 25 were on routes of 10 yards or less, plays that don't translate in an NFL game that focuses on downfield passing. He threw eight times downfield, completing two, and on the other six, "you and I had a better chance of catching the ball than the wide receiver."

"They didn't teach him at Texas how to read coverages. He has no clue when he is under center (as opposed to the shotgun used by Texas). He will have to identify (defenses) pre- and post-snap, and he has no clue because he wasn't taught."

You HOMERS need to be more objective :D

[Drake]

By the way, the best QB in the draft is the kid from Alabama...

[KT2000]

If you're prepared to take Merrill Hodge's word on something then you are far beyond any help any of us could give you Strake. :D

That guy's had more concussions than the entire NHL.

I'd rather go to Squidward (John Clayton) for more expert analysis and that aint sayin much for MH.

[KT2000]

If people think VY is the most overrated player, then this has to be the worst draft in the history of the league.

The only people I hear saying that are those who buy the media spin, and haven't actually watched Vince Young progress from his first year at UT (or since his sophomore year at Madison for me) through today. No one on the draft board has improved as much as VY since high school, and he can still get a lot better.

I don't think you can name players with the physical ability and upside that Vincent Young and Reggie Bush have as 'most likely to bust.'

Cutler and Leinart have a greater chance to end up being busts because they are completely reliant on their arm. If that doesn't work out, then there is nothing else they can go to whereas guys like Vince Young, Reggie Bush and Mario Williams have multiple facets to their game.

Back to Hoge's "analysis", every NFL coach or GM I've heard interviewed about VY disagrees completely.

[Drake]

If you're prepared to take Merrill Hodge's word on something then you are far beyond any help any of us could give you Strake. :D

That guy's had more concussions than the entire NHL.

I'd rather go to Squidward (John Clayton) for more expert analysis and that aint sayin much for MH.LOL... "Don't like the message, kill the messenger..."

I don't need any help, I'm not drafting anybody, and I don't care who the Texans draft, I've never even been to one of their games and I'm not one of their fans...

Just debating Vince Young... Interesting though that you "experts" are always at odds with the people who do this for a living, like the UIL, ESPN's analyst, and the NFL scouts... If they only realized where the real brains are... ;)

[KT2000]

Well, considering myself (and others) have watched Vince Young develop as a player for eight years now I think this is a "special case" as far as that goes. Most of the country has only paid attention since the Michigan game.

I don't mind that the talking heads have opinions. However, the only stock I put into any form of analysis when it comes to the NFL draft is what actual coaches and GMs say.

Based on what I've seen and heard, they all disagree completely with Hoge's view.

[Drake]

All the NFL guys will say the "right" thing... They don't get paid to make public evaluations for the camera... Lets see who DRAFTS him... If he goes early it'll be to a team with a spotlight craving owner, like Jerry Jones...

Believe it or not, I hope the Vince Young naysayers (including myself) are wrong. He's obviously a winner, and he seems to be an excellent role model... I think his best chance to succeed in the NFL is if he ends up in Tennessee. I think Jerry Jones would take him if he can as a publicity stunt and he'd throw him to the wolves too soon... Same with Al Davis...

[KT2000]

Coaches don't get paid to spin either. I don't know what you mean by the "right" thing. They are talking about actual football points, and that's why I put more stock into what they say.

When asked questions about his delivery, the response has been along the lines of "If his completion percentage wasn't as high as it was in college, then we'd be more concerned about it. He knows how to get the ball where it needs to go, and that's what matters." They've all cited how much is ability to read coverages improved from his junior to senior year.

Every year, the decision makers are always the best to listen to because everything the media says is spun by what scouts and agents are feeding them. The only really meaningful stuff (in my opinion) that comes out of their mouth is when they quote a GM or coach evaluation because those are the guys with franchises at stake based on the decisions they make in the draft.

This has been my stance on the draft every year, and not just this year. I don't need anyone's verification of what VY can do on a football field. Like I said, I've been watching it for eight years now.

[Drake]

Coaches don't get paid to spin either. I don't know what you mean by the "right" thing. They are talking about actual football points, and that's why I put more stock into what they say.So when the Texan coaches "say" tomorrow that Reggie Bush is the best player, at least for them, you'll cede to their expertise and agree? Or do you just mean the coaches that "say" Vince is the best? ;)

[KT2000]

No, I'll believe that Bush is the best pick for the Texans in their eyes because they've committed to David Carr as a QB.

I've stated multiple times that Bush wouldn't be a bad pick.

That said, I really don't care what the Texans do because I was raised a Bronco fan.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

Overrated:

Lendale White - Has never shown me much, at all. He played on a USC team where he was probably the least offensive threat, due to having 2 Heisman Trophy winners on board - we know who they are. (Plus D. Byrd, D. Jarrett, S. Smith and Mike Williams.) And for what ever reason he's aarogant, which won't bold well for the next level. (Trust me, I know!)

Underrated:

Clint Ingram/OLB - OU (6'2 245 lbs) Hits like a freight train. Great upside. May be the hardest hitting linebacker in the draft, besides Ernie Sims. Leon Williams/ILB - Miami (6'4 250) 4.49 40yd. Tremendous athlete. Started only a few games, but has so much potential.
Brandon Marshall/WR - Central Florida (6'5 230) 4.50 40yd. Super-Star potential. Had a tremendous Hawaii Bowl game and was even better at the Hula Bowl All-Star game.

[KT2000]

Agree with you on Williams. Big time sleeper. Miami defenders are gold right now for NFL teams.

[Reaganrattler07]

I'm a lifelong Longhorn fan and I STILL think the most over-rated player in the draft is Vince Young. I also think he's one of the greatest college players of all time, but I totally agree with Merril Hoge, NFL analyst, when he says the following:

Merril Hoge, NFL analyst:

"Saying that what Vince Young did in the national championship game will translate into the NFL would be the same as saying that Texas beat USC, so they can beat the Steelers in the Super Bowl," Hoge said. "Nobody would buy that."

Hoge said he broke down film on eight Texas games but didn't have to look farther than Young's Rose Bowl performance to find evidence that he will struggle early in the NFL.

"Don't mistake an amazing athlete for an amazing quarterback," he said. "(Young) is not as fast as Michael Vick. It's not even close. As dynamic as Vick is, they design maybe one or two runs a game. There were 14 called quarterback runs in the national championship game. In the history of the NFL, nobody has called 14 quarterback runs in a game. The guy wouldn't survive."

Of Young's 40 passes in the Rose Bowl, Hoge said, 25 were on routes of 10 yards or less, plays that don't translate in an NFL game that focuses on downfield passing. He threw eight times downfield, completing two, and on the other six, "you and I had a better chance of catching the ball than the wide receiver."

"They didn't teach him at Texas how to read coverages. He has no clue when he is under center (as opposed to the shotgun used by Texas). He will have to identify (defenses) pre- and post-snap, and he has no clue because he wasn't taught."

You HOMERS need to be more objective :D

I think we can officially start the clock for StrakeDrake's banishment...:D Lol, I'm JK. But I have a feeling there will be a lot of people that don't like this. Personally, I agree with it. But I don't think he is the most overrated player. I think Antonio Cromartie gets that honor.

[jtk1519]

I'm a lifelong Longhorn fan and I STILL think the most over-rated player in the draft is Vince Young. I also think he's one of the greatest college players of all time, but I totally agree with Merril Hoge, NFL analyst, when he says the following:

Merril Hoge, NFL analyst:

"Saying that what Vince Young did in the national championship game will translate into the NFL would be the same as saying that Texas beat USC, so they can beat the Steelers in the Super Bowl," Hoge said. "Nobody would buy that."

Hoge said he broke down film on eight Texas games but didn't have to look farther than Young's Rose Bowl performance to find evidence that he will struggle early in the NFL.

"Don't mistake an amazing athlete for an amazing quarterback," he said. "(Young) is not as fast as Michael Vick. It's not even close. As dynamic as Vick is, they design maybe one or two runs a game. There were 14 called quarterback runs in the national championship game. In the history of the NFL, nobody has called 14 quarterback runs in a game. The guy wouldn't survive."

Of Young's 40 passes in the Rose Bowl, Hoge said, 25 were on routes of 10 yards or less, plays that don't translate in an NFL game that focuses on downfield passing. He threw eight times downfield, completing two, and on the other six, "you and I had a better chance of catching the ball than the wide receiver."

"They didn't teach him at Texas how to read coverages. He has no clue when he is under center (as opposed to the shotgun used by Texas). He will have to identify (defenses) pre- and post-snap, and he has no clue because he wasn't taught."

You HOMERS need to be more objective :D

You just quoted Merrill Hoge. Your credibility is lost. This is the same Hoge that said Vince didn't deserve to be drafted in the first DAY and said Matt Leinart was a second round QB at best.

[svhorns]

I think we can officially start the clock for StrakeDrake's banishment...:D Lol, I'm JK. But I have a feeling there will be a lot of people that don't like this. Personally, I agree with it. But I don't think he is the most overrated player. I think Antonio Cromartie gets that honor.
I dont know about that mr. rattler. Antonio was a sick athlete coming out of highschool he and Ernie sims were highschool teammates at North Florida Christian. Antonio honestly I thought could have made the highschool to the NFL jump have their been a rule allowing that.

[Reaganrattler07]

I dont know about that mr. rattler. Antonio was a sick athlete coming out of highschool he and Ernie sims were highschool teammates at North Florida Christian. Antonio honestly I thought could have made the highschool to the NFL jump have their been a rule allowing that.

Reason why I say he's overrated is the guy played like what? A grand total of 2 games last year? A lot of my fellow Redskins fans want this guy but I'm kinda glad we don't have a first to use on this guy. My feelings are that this guy might've had a good combine and been really good in high school and had some good games in college. He didn't play his senior season.

[KT2000]

Cromartie is shooting up draft boards.

I thought he went to Tallahassee Lincoln High School.

[jtk1519]

I think Mario Williams could be very overrated. Now, I'm not saying he is bad, but consider this...

Prior to New Orleans signing Drew Brees, Mario Williams was considered a probable top 10 pick. He didn't start shooting up the draft board until the Saints picked up Brees. Now, New Orleans has to take somebody with that #2 pick and most assume it will be Williams because that is a position where they could use some help. That is where the Texans come in. I don't think the Texans have any real interest in Williams at all. Houston thinks that if they start acting like drafting Williams is a possibility, then maybe that will force New Orleans to trade up. That would be great for Houston because they could move down one spot, still draft Bush, but pick up an extra draft pick in the process. Houston getting involved has artificially inflated Williams' draft value. Again, that's not saying he is bad... he is certainly top 10 material, but top 2-3 is pushing it.

[drgnbkr]

All the NFL guys will say the "right" thing... They don't get paid to make public evaluations for the camera... Lets see who DRAFTS him... If he goes early it'll be to a team with a spotlight craving owner, like Jerry Jones...

Believe it or not, I hope the Vince Young naysayers (including myself) are wrong. He's obviously a winner, and he seems to be an excellent role model... I think his best chance to succeed in the NFL is if he ends up in Tennessee. I think Jerry Jones would take him if he can as a publicity stunt and he'd throw him to the wolves too soon... Same with Al Davis...

The Cowboy's don't pick high enough to get a QB like Young...so he won't be going to Dallas...

[svhorns]

Cromartie is shooting up draft boards.

I thought he went to Tallahassee Lincoln High School.
He went to both the only reason I said that is cause my friend went to North Florida Christian with Ernie and Antonio and had a year book Ernie Sims looked like a man his freshman year.

[KT2000]

I wish we could get top teams from Texas and Florida teams to play each other in HS ball one day.

Lufkin vs. Tallahassee Lincoln...Southlake Carroll vs. St. Thomas Aquinas...Katy vs. Melbourne Palm Bay...North Shore vs. Lakeland

That's for another topic though.

[Reaganrattler07]

I wish we could get top teams from Texas and Florida teams to play each other in HS ball one day.

Lufkin vs. Tallahassee Lincoln...Southlake Carroll vs. St. Thomas Aquinas...Katy vs. Melbourne Palm Bay...North Shore vs. Lakeland

That's for another topic though.

Just like they did with Ohio?

[svhorns]

I wish we could get top teams from Texas and Florida teams to play each other in HS ball one day.

Lufkin vs. Tallahassee Lincoln...Southlake Carroll vs. St. Thomas Aquinas...Katy vs. Melbourne Palm Bay...North Shore vs. Lakeland

That's for another topic though.
Lufkin would be the best team to send to play an out of state team I believe sooooo many athletes and a great coach.

[AZTiger]

with also a niche for being really good at the beginning of the season every year ;)