View Full Version : Why Mario Williams could be a better pick than Reggie Bush
KT2000
04-26-2006, 04:04 PM
Casserly came out and said the Texans are holding contract talks with both Bush and Williams with the intent of taking one of them on draft day. Evidently, the decision isn't "final" yet.
I think the Texans will take Reggie Bush, and that won't be a bad pick.
However, I think you can definitely make a case for Mario Williams being a better pick because of an elementary business principle:
Supply and demand.
The demand for game changing defensive ends is MUCH higher than that of running backs. Defensive end is one of the toughest positions to find real quality at of any other on the field save for a couple of spots on the OL (LT and center).
Right now, the NFL is full of very good running backs. Hall of famers have been drafted in late rounds. Athletically, Mario Williams is a slightly taller and bigger version of Julius Peppers. Peppers was a little lighter (270-275) when he came out of North Carolina and 6'6.
Mario Williams actually has the same vertical leap as Reggie Bush. That's unreal for someone who is 6'7-6'8.
When you look at what young DEs like Julius Peppers and Dwight Freeney have brought to the league, it's extremely tough not to be really intrigued by someone like Williams.
According to Williams and his NC State coaches, he can play any position on the defensive line with his combination of size, speed and football knowledge. He's a freak of nature and the #1 defensive prospect on everyone's board.
I don't think it'd be a bad pick at all if the Texans decided to shock everyone.
That said, I still think Bush is the name announced for the Texans but wanted to post that after hearing callers on 610 talking about how they couldn't believe Williams and Bush were being mentioned in the same sentence.
LUFPAN
04-26-2006, 04:12 PM
I'm not sold on Reggie Bush. He's a great playmaker but is to small to be an every down back in the NFL. He wasn't even one in college. I'd pick Williams or Young before I'd pick Bush. They are the two best athletes in the draft.
AZTiger
04-26-2006, 04:16 PM
I agree. Williams' upside is higher. I have a feeling Bush has already reached his full potential.
jtk1519
04-26-2006, 04:34 PM
I heard on Mike & Mike this morning that Texans owner Bob McNair has final say on who the Texans draft... even over Casserley, Reeves and Kubiak. It will be interesting to if that means anything in the end.
yankee
04-26-2006, 04:38 PM
I heard on Mike & Mike this morning that Texans owner Bob McNair has final say on who the Texans draft... even over Casserley, Reeves and Kubiak. It will be interesting to if that means anything in the end.
doesnt mcnair live in houston? b/c if he does, he might go with young.
svhorns
04-26-2006, 04:38 PM
who does mcnair want? If he wants vince its kinda ironic he has the same last name as steve
KT2000
04-26-2006, 04:54 PM
Well, between Bush and Williams from how I think someone like McNair would look at it (jersey sales) then it's an obvious choice for Bush.
Anyway, my only point with the post is that taking Mario Williams 1st wouldn't be stupid given the demand for game changing DEs is far higher than the supply....especially in comparison to running backs.
Also, Bush would need the help of the entire offense to have a really good season whereas Williams could technically step in from day one and be a contender for a Pro Bowl spot because he obviously doesn't need anyone to block or stretch the field for him in order to go sack a QB or track down a ball carrier. As a DE, he's not nearly as reliant on other people as RBs are.
AZTiger
04-26-2006, 05:21 PM
if they would look at what guys like Freeney and Shawn Merriman have done, they'll take Williams
Oh yeah, and IMAGINE the clusterfck that will happen after we take Williams, oh wow what a scramble that'll be.
KT2000
04-26-2006, 06:45 PM
Why don't you pour it on a little thicker there, AZ. :)
AZTiger
04-26-2006, 07:24 PM
Why don't you pour it on a little thicker there, AZ. :)
:confused:
KT2000
04-26-2006, 07:58 PM
Oh, nm, thought you were being sarcastic.
Didn't know you like ol' Mario Will.
SVite
04-26-2006, 08:39 PM
I agree KT, there are so many RB`s out there, that Houston would be ignorant by not taking a future hall of famer at defensive end. It wont be popular, and it wont sell alot of NFL merchandise, but, without a good defense you dont even get close to the play offs.
We dont even know what other team/teams are interested in Bush! The media has had Bush going to the Texans know for over 6 months ! Mario should be cheaper, and just down right a smarter move. We`ll get to see how brave the Texans brass are, by taking the highly advertised pick, or going to the core on the defense...
If the latter, i hope theres not a melt down in H-town! I`m a cowboys fan, i wish we were in this tight spotted decision, I know who the Tuna would take!;)
Reaganrattler07
04-26-2006, 08:59 PM
This goes down to the basic principles of "Defense wins championships, offense fills the seats". To be quite honest, I think Houston is good to go on offense, with the exception of the o-line. Now, just because Mario Williams isn't there doesn't mean that there's gonna be plenty of sacks for the year. He's gonna need someone decent on the other side and a fairly good tackle beside him. I think with either of those Williams will really blossom.
I think they will go with bush....but if i were houston, i think I may go with williams.
AZTiger
04-26-2006, 09:37 PM
Oh, nm, thought you were being sarcastic.
Didn't know you like ol' Mike Will.
again, :confused:
Who is Mike Will?
KT2000
04-26-2006, 09:47 PM
Meant Mario Will.
AZTiger
04-26-2006, 10:11 PM
what i thought, just didnt feel like thinking much :)
Brian13
04-27-2006, 01:38 PM
you pplare stupid, how can you even consider williams over bush, look at my post below, if you know the DE position the GREAT ones still only give you 3-4 tackles and .8 sacks a game, DE ARE NOT FRANCHISE PLAYERS!!!!! nobody in ncaa history averaged 8.7 yards a carry, period, reggie got 250 yds a game, most in the NCAA!!!!! if you add 250 to the texans offense it much more effective than adding 4 tackles and a sack a game, shut up ppl!!!!marion williams is the most overated player in the draft, not jay cutler, you ppl talk about jay cutler and have never seen him play, this guy is amazing and he doesnt play for a great team, he threw 400 yards and 4 tds against floriday, JAY CUTLER IS BETTER THAN VINCE YOUNG AS A PRO, period, go watch him play, its not hype, mario williams is, he only ran a 4.7 wow, julius peppers ran a 4.3, hes no julius peppers, hes no reggie bush, VINCE IN HALF DESCENT NOT GREAT, COLLEGE GREAT, NFL AVERAGE
Williams played in 36 games in college, yet had sacks in just 16 of those games. Of his 25 1/2 career sacks, 13 came in four games. In 2005, he had 14 1/2 sacks, but had three against Wake Forest, three against southern miss and four against Maryland. In 2004, he had six sacks, but three of those were against Florida State. As for the Texans' flirtation with him. Part of it definitely is a negotiating ploy. From a football standpoint, it's a split house in Houston, where some coaches are pushing hard for Williams and some scouts
KT2000
04-27-2006, 01:55 PM
Brian, easy on the keyboard there cowboy.
A 4.7 forty is d*** impressive for someone that's 6'7, 295 pounds.
Also, shoot me a link to where Peppers ran a 4.3. I don't remember that, and I'm a huge Peppers fan.
Vincent Young and Matt Leinart are the most consistent players being talked about as top five picks. Bush dissapeared in four games last year. He won the Heisman based largely on one game against one of the worst defenses in the nation (Fresno State) when Texas was off and the USC hype machine was in full gear with the Marcus Allen Rudyard Kipling poetry reading on Sportscenter. Bush was on the sidelines with USC needed two yards for a first down late in the game because he couldn't run consistently against Texas' speed. Bush needs to be in a wide open offense like what the Rams ran under Martz to be successful in the NFL. He can't be the focal point in my opinion.
Cutler played for a losing program in college, and that's a big deal for me. I'd much rather have proven winners like Vincent Young and Matt Leinart. Sure, they had better people around them than Cutler but based on what I've seen of him I'm not convinced he should go ahead of Leinart or Young. Young will be the first QB taken in this draft by Tennessee at #3.
svhorns
04-27-2006, 02:38 PM
you pplare stupid, how can you even consider williams over bush, look at my post below, if you know the DE position the GREAT ones still only give you 3-4 tackles and .8 sacks a game, DE ARE NOT FRANCHISE PLAYERS!!!!! nobody in ncaa history averaged 8.7 yards a carry, period, reggie got 250 yds a game, most in the NCAA!!!!! if you add 250 to the texans offense it much more effective than adding 4 tackles and a sack a game, shut up ppl!!!!marion williams is the most overated player in the draft, not jay cutler, you ppl talk about jay cutler and have never seen him play, this guy is amazing and he doesnt play for a great team, he threw 400 yards and 4 tds against floriday, JAY CUTLER IS BETTER THAN VINCE YOUNG AS A PRO, period, go watch him play, its not hype, mario williams is, he only ran a 4.7 wow, julius peppers ran a 4.3, hes no julius peppers, hes no reggie bush, VINCE IN HALF DESCENT NOT GREAT, COLLEGE GREAT, NFL AVERAGE
actually mario ran a 4.67 but that is sick for a person with that size. Oh and Reggie bush what about his awesome 122 yard performance against Oregon or Reggies killer 51 yards against Washington or how about his 82 yard performance against Cal wait at least he got 97 yards against Washington State and then in the biggest game of his life Reggie goes off for an AMAZING 82 yards:rolleyes: how about the great Reggie Bush then he goes off against a Fresno State team who lost to freakin Tulsa in their bowl game. I like Reggie Bush but your just makin it harder and harder to root for him.
SVite
04-27-2006, 06:38 PM
Houston has 2 backs (Davis, Wells) that are adaquate, even with the current O line, which says alot for them. Every team in the NFL has at least 2 good rb`s, you can not say that for the DE position in the NFL.
If your not in the top 15 in defense in the NFL, your mostly getting your butt kicked. Houston lost alot of games, thats why they have the #1 pick. We have seen one of the best offenses (Indy) in the history of the NFL not even make the SB. This year was their best shot, their defense has made great improvements, but they lost to a much better Defense , & ok offensive team (pittsburgh).
Reggies fast, but so are NFL defenses. The book on Houston is stop the pass and you win. They can run pretty well, for not going down the field with the pass, but i will give it them, they have some very good wr`s now! They have addressed the offense, now put some jack in the defense.
Dawg Fan
04-27-2006, 07:42 PM
If Houston passes on Bush it will be a unbelieveable mistake. They can build their defense but Bush will light up the scoreboard and the last time I checked the team with the most points wins. Davis could be excellent trade bait to beef up the defense. No way they pass on Bush.
jtk1519
04-27-2006, 08:00 PM
If Houston passes on Bush it will be a unbelieveable mistake. They can build their defense but Bush will light up the scoreboard and the last time I checked the team with the most points wins. Davis could be excellent trade bait to beef up the defense. No way they pass on Bush.
The only thing getting lit up will be Bush. With the O-line Houston has had pretty much since their first season, young Reggie will be lucky if he makes it through the season injury free. I can't wait to see how good Bush is when Marcus Stroud and Dwight Freeney are meeting him in the backfield.
Scoring points is the name of the game, but a RB like Bush who is just a little better version of the RB Houston already has, isn't going to do it by himself. Not unless he gains 100 pounds and learns how to block.
KT2000
04-27-2006, 08:28 PM
Bush needs to be in a system that uses him like St. Louis used Marshall Faulk when Martz was there. I don't think Bush is an every down back in the NFL. He wasn't even one in college. I know LaDanian Tomlinson is who he tries to model his play after but LT is on another planet as far as toughness and running between the tackles, and was back in his college days.
Maybe I'm not playin with a full deck, but I think an RB at #1 should be someone you know can go for you every down.
TexasRed6x
04-27-2006, 08:50 PM
Bush needs to be in a system that uses him like St. Louis used Marshall Faulk when Martz was there. I don't think Bush is an every down back in the NFL. He wasn't even one in college. I know LaDanian Tomlinson is who he tries to model his play after but LT is on another planet as far as toughness and running between the tackles, and was back in his college days.
Maybe I'm not playin with a full deck, but I think an RB at #1 should be someone you know can go for you every down.
The Texans may do that at some point. I think that they will have a good back field and he is a good backup for Davis because of his injuries these couple of seasons.
Slim-Rob
04-27-2006, 08:59 PM
The Texans may do that at some point. I think that they will have a good back field and he is a good backup for Davis because of his injuries these couple of seasons.
Speaking of injuries on NFL RBs....Is Julius Jones EVER going to have an injury free season?
TexasRed6x
04-27-2006, 09:04 PM
Speaking of injuries on NFL RBs....Is Julius Jones EVER going to have an injury free season?
I hope so soon.
Slim-Rob
04-27-2006, 09:10 PM
I hope so soon.
Me too. He always gets hurt. Well, Marion Barber and that other guy were doing alright.
Dawg Fan
04-27-2006, 09:33 PM
The only thing getting lit up will be Bush. With the O-line Houston has had pretty much since their first season, young Reggie will be lucky if he makes it through the season injury free. I can't wait to see how good Bush is when Marcus Stroud and Dwight Freeney are meeting him in the backfield.
Scoring points is the name of the game, but a RB like Bush who is just a little better version of the RB Houston already has, isn't going to do it by himself. Not unless he gains 100 pounds and learns how to block.
I am sure he will get lit up some but he is extremely hard to get a good hit on like a Barry Sanders. Houston would be stupid to pass him up. The important thing right now is all this talk is speculation at best. The proof will be in the season and if they keep Davis, Bush wouldn't be an every down back anyway.
Dawg Fan
04-27-2006, 09:35 PM
Bush needs to be in a system that uses him like St. Louis used Marshall Faulk when Martz was there. I don't think Bush is an every down back in the NFL. He wasn't even one in college. I know LaDanian Tomlinson is who he tries to model his play after but LT is on another planet as far as toughness and running between the tackles, and was back in his college days.
Maybe I'm not playin with a full deck, but I think an RB at #1 should be someone you know can go for you every down.
I am interested. What back in the NFL can you go to every down? Aint no such player.
jtk1519
04-27-2006, 09:49 PM
I am interested. What back in the NFL can you go to every down? Aint no such player.
Baring injury...
Jamal Lewis
Shaun Alexander
Edgerrin James
Tiki Barber
Deuce McAllister
Clinton Portis
Larry Johnson
Fred Taylor
AZTiger
04-27-2006, 10:25 PM
Baring injury...
Jamal Lewis
Shaun Alexander
Edgerrin James
Tiki Barber
Deuce McAllister
Clinton Portis
Larry Johnson
Fred Taylor
NONE of which averaged this ridiculous "25 carry per game" number that gets thrown around.
Look, people saying "he's not an every down player" are just searching for knocks on him. If that's all ya got, that's a weak argument.
AZTiger
04-27-2006, 10:26 PM
oh and Tiki Barber? Hmmm...yeah he's a REAL big guy :rolleyes:
jtk1519
04-27-2006, 10:38 PM
Look, people saying "he's not an every down player" are just searching for knocks on him. If that's all ya got, that's a weak argument.
If someone is about to drop upwards of $50 million dollars on a single player, I don't think it's "weak" to wonder if he is going to be able to be on the field as much as possible. I don't think it's "weak" to wonder if his small frame can take the beating an NFL RB takes over a 17 week schedule (not to mention training camps, mini-camps and preseason). If anything, it's responsible.
KT2000
04-27-2006, 10:53 PM
Gracias, jtk.
jtk1519
04-27-2006, 10:59 PM
Gracias, jtk.
My pleasure.
AZTiger
04-28-2006, 05:02 AM
We'll see. Like I said, if his "small" frame (which compared to likes of long time NFL vets Barber and Warrick Dunn) is the only thing yall can knock him on....that's pretty bad. Kills me that no UT fan can just admit that Bush is a damned good football player.
KT2000
04-28-2006, 09:38 AM
Bush is a talented player for sure. I don't know that he'll be worth the 54 million+ the Texans have to shell out for him though. That's a lot to pay a guy that'll probably get 15-20 touches a game on average.
Dawg Fan
04-28-2006, 11:54 AM
Baring injury...
Jamal Lewis
Shaun Alexander
Edgerrin James
Tiki Barber
Deuce McAllister
Clinton Portis
Larry Johnson
Fred Taylor
every play? I didn't know we could use "barring injury" .:rolleyes: Hell Bush could be the best ever ....barring injury. Those are good running backs for sure but you can't say Bush won't be as good or better without him getting his chance.
AZTiger
04-28-2006, 11:54 AM
So basically what you're saying is that anyone who only touches the ball 20 times per game is never worth the number one pick? That basically eliminates all RBs
KT2000
04-28-2006, 12:30 PM
How many RBs have gone #1 in the last 20 years?
Pearland1
04-28-2006, 12:32 PM
I heard the Titans will draft Vincen Young. Adams loves Young and wants to stick it to Houston twice a year.
Whats going to happen when David"mattres"Carr starts to suck again like the last 4 years and Young comes back with the Titans and he plays better then Carr? I dont want to be in the stadium to hear the boooo's
I can't belive Carr was the 1 number pick in draft. Carr is a bust!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Brian13
04-28-2006, 12:33 PM
Like i said before you ppl are clueless
Ok you say reggie go 82 yards in one game and he only go 92 in one game, and you say that sucks, and you say he only killed weak defenses, lmao!! you ppl no nuthin obviously you didnt watch the heisman trophy presentation
Against 5 ranked teams last year reggie stats include
198 rush yds per game
10 tds
10.0 ave per carry
o yea reggie only had 4 games under a hundred
why? ummm lets see
against washington you say he wrecked, nope, he got 51 yards on only 7 carries!!!!!!!!!!! thats why u only lookin at the yards not CARRIES
against cal and washington stat, he got 82 and 92 yards, and average 7 yards a carry in those games, ok? D angelo williams only average 7 for the season, reggie doesnt need to go off on teams like that, he knows when he needs to step it up
ARizona st: #14 in nation
Reggie: 17 carries 158 yards
Notre Dame
Reggie: 15 carries 160 yards
UCLA
Reggie: 284 yards 17 carries
The lowest average per run in one game for reggie is 4.8, which is pretty damn good even though its not reggie
and in every game he got under 100 yards he barely ran, get your facts straight
o yea and some ppl still seem to think he cant run against good defenses
against texas
13 carries 82 6.3 yards a carry, i'd take that any day
but hol up
against texas
6 rec 95 yards
thats why hes reggie cause if he not running crazy hell catch some balls
KT2000
04-28-2006, 12:40 PM
Reggie's great for a highlight reel. I just don't know if he's the kind of player who can take a team to the next level though.
Brian, pull back on the personal stuff cause it'll get you banned. I can't allow the personal flame war.
AZ, nevermind, looked up the RBs drafted at #1 stat.
Two guys have gone #1 at RB in the last 20 years. Bo Jackson in 86 and Ki-Jana Carter in 95. The last one from Southern Cal was Ricky Bell in 1977.
AZTiger
04-28-2006, 12:48 PM
the thing I'm most sick of are all these weenies that are "scared" of Vince going to the Titans. I personally hope he goes there, so we can beat them twice yearly.
Personally, I believe the best bet for the Texans would be to trade down/draft and trade to "Brick" up the offensive line. Without strength up front, an all-pro type backfield would be average at best.
ThEgReAtOnE
04-28-2006, 01:29 PM
Mario Williams at 6'7 295 ran a 4.67 40yd. He's an immediate defensive star, yet Bush still has questions as to where he'll project on the offensive side of the ball...slot, rb, kr, pr and/or wr. He's a slash type of player that in my mind equates to a bigger version of a Dante Hall. (The Dante Hall we know now!)
With that said, Bush is nearly 6'0 205 lbs, with a frame that could add 5 to 10 lbs of muscle, without losing speed or agility. Warrick Dunn and Brian Westbrook aren't that big, physically, but they're playmakers for their teams, respectively. Bush can add another surefire offensive threat, while Mario can add something, hell, anything, to a totally jacked-up looking defense.
Questions to ask...
What impact would Williams have on winning games? (Not just defensively. Houston wants to win games. Could one player on defense, while an excellent speciment, really help do that?)
A: Yes. But I would of had this thought process before the offseason. Get FA Lavar Arrington, then pick-up Bush, with the first pick. Or get Arrington, get Mario Williams, then with the first pick of the second round pick up a Leonard Pope/TE from Georgia (6'8 258 - 4.58 40yd) or Maurice Drew/RB from UCLA (5'7 210 4.3 40yd) or Marcus McNeil/OT from Auburn (6'7 335 - 5.0 40yd). Also, a rb with upside, in Gerald Riggs Jr. from Tennessee (5'11 238 4.5 40yd), should still be there at the start of the 3rd round.
What endurance does Bush have in taking the NFL pounding as an every-down back? (I mean there has to be a reason Carroll didn't feature him as an every-down back - and that was on the college level, even with his size of 5'11/6'0 200 lbs.)
A. He has the endurance, but I have a feeling once he sees the speed of the league he will freeze up, and ultimately end up not taking risks, which is what he did plenty of at USC. He likes the open field. Let him stay a slash type player.
Where would Bush contribute, and how much? Could he help the team win games, anymore than Williams?
A. Anyone with any athletic talent would contribute to the Texans. If they get a few more steals, throughout the draft, then you could end up with a diverse offensive strategy. Bush could really shine, then. But if they make the same stupid selections, after Bush, that they've prided themselves on, over the last few years, they'll get Reggie Bush f***** up!
And btw...
Julius Peppers never ran anything under a 4.65. Actually it was around a 4.69 at 6'6 272 pounds. (At this stage in his NFL career, Peppers, at nearly 6'7, runs around a 4.65 40yd and weighes 293 pounds.)
KT2000
04-28-2006, 02:07 PM
GreatOne, thanks for the confirmation on Peppers. I'm a huge Peppers fan, and had never heard of him running anything near a 4.3.
Also, another curious part to Bush's game is that he wasn't nearly as big of a threat on punt or kickoffs as you'd imagine at USC. I wonder how he'll project there in the NFL. Physically, he has all of the tools to be a great return man but never really saw that from him at USC.
SVite
04-28-2006, 02:15 PM
Reggie's great for a highlight reel. I just don't know if he's the kind of player who can take a team to the next level though.
Brian, pull back on the personal stuff cause it'll get you banned. I can't allow the personal flame war.
AZ, nevermind, looked up the RBs drafted at #1 stat.
Two guys have gone #1 at RB in the last 20 years. Bo Jackson in 86 and Ki-Jana Carter in 95. The last one from Southern Cal was Ricky Bell in 1977.
Bo was awsome, had it all, BUT, his hip could`nt take the NFL defenses...
Ki Jana, BUT.. a bust!
Ricky Bell did ok on a very bad Tampa team, did`nt last long...
Which is yet another BIG concern, Rb`s in the NFL average around THREE big years in the league! Go ahead Houston roll your #1 pick on a rb! Such great history for rb`s takin #1. You like those beautiful hitters out of the park?
If they draft him with the #1 pick they will regret it! Look at all the great Rb`s, NONE of them went #1, not a one! Hey, maybe they want next years #1 pick too....LOL:rolleyes:
AZTiger
04-28-2006, 02:35 PM
I really gotta question those who say Carroll knew Bush wasn't an every down back, and that's why he didn't get all the touches.
Ever consider the fact that they had another guy in Lendale who was pretty good himself (considered by some here a better RB than Bush), and in the same theory that coaches rotate defensive linemen, he could throw two FRESH RBs at defenses. C'mon...yall are smarter than that.
svhorns
04-28-2006, 02:47 PM
I heard the Titans will draft Vincen Young. Adams loves Young and wants to stick it to Houston twice a year.
Whats going to happen when David"mattres"Carr starts to suck again like the last 4 years and Young comes back with the Titans and he plays better then Carr? I dont want to be in the stadium to hear the boooo's
I can't belive Carr was the 1 number pick in draft. Carr is a bust!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I cant wait for that to happen. Texan fans will go crazy I would not be surprised if Reliant gets vandelized.
svhorns
04-28-2006, 02:52 PM
Like i said before you ppl are clueless
Ok you say reggie go 82 yards in one game and he only go 92 in one game, and you say that sucks, and you say he only killed weak defenses, lmao!! you ppl no nuthin obviously you didnt watch the heisman trophy presentation
Against 5 ranked teams last year reggie stats include
198 rush yds per game
10 tds
10.0 ave per carry
o yea reggie only had 4 games under a hundred
why? ummm lets see
against washington you say he wrecked, nope, he got 51 yards on only 7 carries!!!!!!!!!!! thats why u only lookin at the yards not CARRIES
against cal and washington stat, he got 82 and 92 yards, and average 7 yards a carry in those games, ok? D angelo williams only average 7 for the season, reggie doesnt need to go off on teams like that, he knows when he needs to step it up
ARizona st: #14 in nation
Reggie: 17 carries 158 yards
Notre Dame
Reggie: 15 carries 160 yards
UCLA
Reggie: 284 yards 17 carries
The lowest average per run in one game for reggie is 4.8, which is pretty damn good even though its not reggie
and in every game he got under 100 yards he barely ran, get your facts straight
o yea and some ppl still seem to think he cant run against good defenses
against texas
13 carries 82 6.3 yards a carry, i'd take that any day
but hol up
against texas
6 rec 95 yards
thats why hes reggie cause if he not running crazy hell catch some ballsReggie Bush why are you on a texas highschool football message board? go do some flips or somethin.
Reaganrattler07
04-28-2006, 02:58 PM
Reggie Bush why are you on a texas highschool football message board? go do some flips or somethin.
Or he could be in a really nice hotel, waiting to be drafted at #1....
SVite
04-28-2006, 03:46 PM
I did a little research on my own . And there was one RB that did go #1, and became a hall of famer " The Tyler Rose" Earl Campbell, in 1978. So Houston does have a little history of taking a RB #1.
The thing i see thats different, is Earl would run people over, and could also make the corner.
SVite
04-28-2006, 03:59 PM
The first RB taken in that years draft...
Round listed first - then number player taken.
2005 1 - 2 Ronnie Brown Dolphins Auburn
2004 1 - 24 Steven Jackson Rams Oregon State
2003 1 - 23 Willis McGahee Bills Miami (FL)
2002 1 -16 William Green Browns Boston College
2001 1 -5 LaDainian Tomlinson Chargers Texas Christian
2000 1 - 5 Jamal Lewis Ravens Tennessee
1999 1 - 4 Edgerrin James Colts Miami (FL)
1998 1 - 5 Curtis Enis Bears Penn State
1997 1 12 Warrick Dunn Buccaneers Florida State
1996 1 - 6 Lawrence Phillips Rams Nebraska
1995 1 - 1 Ki-Jana Carter Bengals Penn State
1994 1 -2 Marshall Faulk Colts San Diego
1993 1 3 Garrison Hearst Cardinals Georgia
1992 1 - 9 Tommy Vardell Browns Stanford
1991 1 -14 Leonard Russell Patriots Arizona State
1990 1 -2 Blair Thomas Jets Penn State
SVite
04-28-2006, 04:03 PM
cont.
1989 1 - 3 Barry Sanders Lions Oklahoma
1988 1 - 14 Gaston Green Rams UCLA
1987 1 - 3 Alonzo Highsmith Oilers Miami (FL)
1986 1 - 1 Bo Jackson Buccaneers Auburn
1985 1 - 15 Ethan Horton Chiefs North
1984 1 26 Greg Bell Bills Notre Dame
1983 1 - 2 Eric Dickerson Rams Southern Methodist
1982 1 7 Darrin Nelson Vikings Stanford
1981 1 -1 George Rogers Saints South Carolina
1980 1 1 Billy Sims Lions Oklahoma
1979 1 8 Ottis Anderson Cardinals Miami (FL)
1978 1 1 Earl Campbell Oilers Texas
1977 1 1 Ricky Bell Buccaneers USC
1976 1 -3 Chuck Muncie Saints California
1975 1 - 4 Walter Payton Bears Jackson State
1974 1 - 2 Bo Matthews Chargers Colorado
1973 1 - 9 Otis Armstrong Broncos Purdue
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KT2000
04-29-2006, 12:06 AM
I'd just like to state for the record that I had no freaking idea this would happen when I posted this thread yesterday.
Like it says in my original post..."I still think Bush is the name announced but..."
TexasRed6x
04-29-2006, 12:09 AM
I'd just like to state for the record that I had no freaking idea this would happen when I posted this thread yesterday.
Like it says in my original post..."I still think Bush is the name announced but..."
Mario is the guy they are going to take. I wish that they could just say that they agreed to a contract with Mario and then prove everyone wrong and take Bush but that won't happen now.
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