Williams over Young AND Bush!!!!!???!!!

[HUM398]

I have been reading the last couple of days about the texans intrest in the top defensive pick in the draft ( Mario williams). Dont get me wrong, but he isnt a First pick material. I can handle a Bush over Young or a Young over bush. BUT I CAN NOT HANDLE A WILLIAMS over THE 2 TOP OFFENSIVE PLAYERS TO COME OUT OF COLLEGE IN A VERY LONG TIME!.....You have to be kidding me. Willaims is good but he cant not score a TD at will. Defense may championships, but looking at the offense.....We still need one more player that can score fast. Young or bush is the only chose i see. if the texans pick Williams they are going to have a PR nightmare......But i wouldnt be suprised if they made the biggest mistake possible on passing up those two guys.....

Whats yalls take on the possible ill advised pick of Williams...is it a ploy...or are they for real?

[svhorns]

It wont happen and thats 100% Guaranteed.

[Daniel Agnew]

I don't think that will happen either, it sounds like a deal where management doesn't want to put a ton of money in to Bush's wallet.

[TexasRed6x]

Williams over Young and Bush? I find that hard to believe but he ranks behind them not over them.

[SVite]

It`s draft smoke!
it`s getting closer to the draft, and the media is having fun!

[KT2000]

If anyone but Bush goes #1, it'll be a HUGE shock. That's going off of what everyone in the Texans organization is saying right now.

[TexasRed6x]

If anyone but Bush goes #1, it'll be a HUGE shock. That's going off of what everyone in the Texans organization is saying right now.
Yeah it would be a huge shock and I don't want to see the Texans trade the pick. I think that they should just draft Bush with their 1st pick and then draft your needs during the rest of the draft.

[Dawg Fan]

If it were the Jets I would believe that because no one drafts worse than the Jets

[TexasRed6x]

If it were the Jets I would believe that because no one drafts worse than the Jets
Hey the Jets are rumored to draft either Young Leinhart or Cutler if they decide to go QB and those are the top 3 QB's in the draft and they would be improving tremendously if they took a QB because of Pennington's shoulder injury.

[jtk1519]

Mario Williams is legit #1 pick material. Maybe not over Bush or Young, but in any other draft, he would probably be the clear #1 favorite. He's being called the next Julius Peppers and if you have ever watched Peppers play, you know what high praise that is.

[svhorns]

I watched Julius get owned when they played UT. I know hes an all star though, freakish athlete.

[jtk1519]

I watched Julius get owned when they played UT. I know hes an all star though, freakish athlete.

He got owned because Texas was double-teaming him with a couple of All-Americans. He didn't have much talent around him at UNC.

[Firebird]

I think the Texans are talking Williams in a hope to push Bush's price down a bit. I would be stunned if they actually drafted Williams first.

[svhorns]

I think the Texans are talking Williams in a hope to push Bush's price down a bit. I would be stunned if they actually drafted Williams first.
Thats what I was thinking. Scare Bush like you arent going to take him #1 make him drop the dollars hes lookin for.

[Dawg Fan]

Thats what I was thinking. Scare Bush like you arent going to take him #1 make him drop the dollars hes lookin for.

Won't happen..no way,no how

He will get the money he wants just watch

[svhorns]

Im sure he will get plenty of money

[SLCDRGN]

Remember..... the Cowboys traded up to get the #1 pick in the early 90's and who did they pick? None other than Russell Maryland. It is very possible the Texans could pick Williams.

[lightweight]

I think the Texans should trade down to the Titans. The Titans need a quarterback, and probably will pick Matt Leinart. The Saints are most likely going to pick either Reggie Bush or D'Brickashaw Ferguson. Then the Texans can, and will, pick up Mario Williams.

If the draft order stays how it is now, without trading picks, I predict the top five as this.

1. Houston - Reggie Bush
2. New Orleans - D'Brickashaw Ferguson
3. Tennessee - Matt Leinart
4. New York - Mario Williams
5. Green Bay - Haloti Ngata / A.J. Hawk / Michael Huff

The first four I'm almost sure of.
On a side note, I honestly believe Jay Cutler is better than Vince Young; call me a 'hater', call me a 'backstabber', call me whatever. I don't care.

[svhorns]

Remember..... the Cowboys traded up to get the #1 pick in the early 90's and who did they pick? None other than Russell Maryland. It is very possible the Texans could pick Williams.
Honestly I dont care what the Texans do. If they do pick willams I will just laugh and again point out how dumb the Texans Organization is.

[svhorns]

I think the Texans should trade down to the Titans. The Titans need a quarterback, and probably will pick Matt Leinart. The Saints are most likely going to pick either Reggie Bush or D'Brickashaw Ferguson. Then the Texans can, and will, pick up Mario Williams.

If the draft order stays how it is now, without trading picks, I predict the top five as this.

1. Houston - Reggie Bush
2. New Orleans - D'Brickashaw Ferguson
3. Tennessee - Matt Leinart
4. New York - Mario Williams
5. Green Bay - Haloti Ngata / A.J. Hawk / Michael Huff

The first four I'm almost sure of.
On a side note, I honestly believe Jay Cutler is better than Vince Young; call me a 'hater', call me a 'backstabber', call me whatever. I don't care.Thats fine your just one of the million people that doubt Vince and eat crow.

[lightweight]

I don't doubt Vince Young, I just don't believe that he is better than Jay Cutler. I do, however, believe that Vince Young will get drafted before Jay Cutler, but won't be as good. I see Young going to Oakland, and Jay Cutler going to Arizona.

[jtk1519]

There is some serious scuttlebutt going around that the true smokescreen this draft season is that the Texans intend to draft Bush. Word going around is that Houston is not near as serious about drafting Bush as most think. This could be just typical draft BS.

For the first time, there is legitimate reason to think that USC running back Reggie Bush is not going to be wind up in Houston, the city that currently holds the No. 1 overall pick. This does not come from one source or from one team. This comes from multiple sources, from across the league, without any agenda to push. The mounting evidence includes this: As of Monday, the Texans had not had any contract discussions with Bush and his representatives. None. Yet the Texans have approached North Carolina State defensive end Mario Williams, trying to see if he would be receptive to discussing a deal. But the evidence goes beyond contracts. When Bush was in Houston, a certain segment of the organization never introduced itself to the running back. As a person in the Bush camp said Monday, "Do I have a feeling that Reggie is going to Houston? No, I have a feeling that he's not."

http://www.benmaller.com/archives/2006/april/18.html#097235

That comes from a piece running on NFL.com...

http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9381854

They could be playing other teams hoping they will move up. In other words, Houston may be hoping that if they put out word that they intend to draft Bush, that may cause encourage other teams to try and trade up for that #1 pick. The Texans get more picks and all they have to give up is a pick for RB they didn't want to begin with.

Would be a brilliant move on the part of the Texans. Since Charlie Casserly still collects checks from the Texans, I'm going to assume that he is not behind this plot if it is even true.

[jtk1519]

I don't doubt Vince Young, I just don't believe that he is better than Jay Cutler. I do, however, believe that Vince Young will get drafted before Jay Cutler, but won't be as good. I see Young going to Oakland, and Jay Cutler going to Arizona.

What impresses you about Cutler?

[svhorns]

I would also like to know because if it wasnt for guEsS-P-N no one would even know who cutler was.

[jtk1519]

Even ESPiN's Mel Kiper is really going on about how overrated Cutler is.

[AZTiger]

I knew who Cutler was, I watched several of his games this past year. He was all Vandy had. Is he a first round pick? Yes. Worth of top 10? I don't think so.

But hey, props to the guy, he's done what he needed to do to improve his stock, and it worked. Can't fault a guy for that.

[AZTiger]

This is the guy who told me the Texans are taking Mario Williams

http://www.championship_606.ursatech.com/images/comical_ali.jpg

[TexasRed6x]

This is the guy who told me the Texans are taking Mario Williams

http://www.championship_606.ursatech.com/images/comical_ali.jpg
I think that guy is lying to you. I think that the Texans will end up taking Bush. Its a no-brainer at this point with a week left until the draft but there is a slight possibility that they may take Williams.

[HUM398]

Wow! Titans picking up Matt.... I am just not buying that. Here is why.

Matt is a great QB that has been in a pro-style off. for the last 4 years. BUT his arm strength is Avrg. if not below avrg. and his mobility is just not that good. Now that being said. Why would you pass up Cutler or Young to get matt.

Cutler has a far better arm and more strength and his mobility is better then matts.

Young. Lets see, He was the most accurate, his arm strength is good, and lets just say his mobility is mind boggeling. Either Cutler or Young would be a far better pick.

Now take this into consideration. BUD ADAMS!!!!!!!!! He will Burn houston by taking the Houstons Favorite Son! the only number that man sees is 41-38 . Texas

Yes Matt will be easier to coach and fit into a Off. Sooner. But, YOU DONT PASS UP BETTER QB BECAUSE YOU HAVE LESS TO TEACH! his potential to grow more then he has isnt greater then Cutler or Young. i will bet my leg that matt doesnt go to the titans... If im wrong...well...then i guess i will be leg less.


Ps. I personally think the texans will take Bush....But i still can't beleive that they would even Entertain the idea of taking Williams....Just not this year. Please! I wanna love them, but there giving me every reason to hate them.

p.s.s I dont like MEL!

[RP-3]

I think the Texans should trade down to the Titans. The Titans need a quarterback, and probably will pick Matt Leinart. The Saints are most likely going to pick either Reggie Bush or D'Brickashaw Ferguson. Then the Texans can, and will, pick up Mario Williams.

If the draft order stays how it is now, without trading picks, I predict the top five as this.

1. Houston - Reggie Bush
2. New Orleans - D'Brickashaw Ferguson
3. Tennessee - Matt Leinart
4. New York - Mario Williams
5. Green Bay - Haloti Ngata / A.J. Hawk / Michael Huff

The first four I'm almost sure of.
On a side note, I honestly believe Jay Cutler is better than Vince Young; call me a 'hater', call me a 'backstabber', call me whatever. I don't care.




Why would the Titans trade up to get Leinart? That would be a waiste seeing that Leinart will still be there at #3

[TexasRed6x]

Mario Williams draft stock is rising and might be the first pick in the draft should the Texans pass on Bush but the chances of that are very slim.

[TexasRed6x]

Why would the Titans trade up to get Leinart? That would be a waiste seeing that Leinart will still be there at #3
Trade up? They won't trade up to get him they will take him if they decide to pass on young.

[svhorns]

Wow! Titans picking up Matt.... I am just not buying that. Here is why.

Matt is a great QB that has been in a pro-style off. for the last 4 years. BUT his arm strength is Avrg. if not below avrg. and his mobility is just not that good. Now that being said. Why would you pass up Cutler or Young to get matt.

Cutler has a far better arm and more strength and his mobility is better then matts.

Young. Lets see, He was the most accurate, his arm strength is good, and lets just say his mobility is mind boggeling. Either Cutler or Young would be a far better pick.

Now take this into consideration. BUD ADAMS!!!!!!!!! He will Burn houston by taking the Houstons Favorite Son! the only number that man sees is 41-38 . Texas

Yes Matt will be easier to coach and fit into a Off. Sooner. But, YOU DONT PASS UP BETTER QB BECAUSE YOU HAVE LESS TO TEACH! his potential to grow more then he has isnt greater then Cutler or Young. i will bet my leg that matt doesnt go to the titans... If im wrong...well...then i guess i will be leg less.


Ps. I personally think the texans will take Bush....But i still can't beleive that they would even Entertain the idea of taking Williams....Just not this year. Please! I wanna love them, but there giving me every reason to hate them.

p.s.s I dont like MEL!Fisher(titans head coach) and Norm Chow(titans OC) both went to USC fisher played there and Norm coached there I dont see why they would pass up leinart unless steve mcnair is trying to put in some words of wisdom to those two.

[jtk1519]

Fisher(titans head coach) and Norm Chow(titans OC) both went to USC fisher played there and Norm coached there I dont see why they would pass up leinart unless steve mcnair is trying to put in some words of wisdom to those two.

Because the Titans owner and GM are both sold on Vince over Leinart and they have sold Fisher and Chow on Vince is well. It is pretty common knowledge that Vince is ahead of Leinart on the Titans draft board, but Leinart's stock with them has risen some.

[svhorns]

Because the Titans owner and GM are both sold on Vince over Leinart and they have sold Fisher and Chow on Vince is well. It is pretty common knowledge that Vince is ahead of Leinart on the Titans draft board, but Leinart's stock with them has risen some.
:rolleyes: right because everyone knows whats gonna happen.

[SeguinMatadors]

Because the Titans owner and GM are both sold on Vince over Leinart and they have sold Fisher and Chow on Vince is well. It is pretty common knowledge that Vince is ahead of Leinart on the Titans draft board, but Leinart's stock with them has risen some.

That is not true. The coaches want Leinart and the players and managment want Vince. Ultimately it is going to come down to whoever the top decision maker is in the franchise.

[jtk1519]

That is not true. The coaches want Leinart and the players and managment want Vince. Ultimately it is going to come down to whoever the top decision maker is in the franchise.

That's pretty much exactly what I said.

[Reaganrattler07]

Fisher(titans head coach) and Norm Chow(titans OC) both went to USC fisher played there and Norm coached there I dont see why they would pass up leinart unless steve mcnair is trying to put in some words of wisdom to those two.

I agree, thats why I think Leinart will go to Tennessee simply because of his ties to USC.

[SeguinMatadors]

That's pretty much exactly what I said.

That is not the way I understood it.... I took it as Fisher and Chow were now sold on Young now, too.

[jtk1519]

That is not the way I understood it.... I took it as Fisher and Chow were now sold on Young now, too.

They would prefer Leinart, but they aren't opposed to taking Young. In the end, they don't make the call on draft day. The owner and GM do and they are the ones that want Young.

[svhorns]

We'll see what happens it could get ugly in the war rooms.

[SeguinMatadors]

They would prefer Leinart, but they aren't opposed to taking Young. In the end, they don't make the call on draft day. The owner and GM do and they are the ones that want Young.

I hope so. When I started watching football as a kid I was a Cowboys fan first and then an Oilers fan... the Titans are still my second favorite team and other than the Cowboys getting VY I wouldn't rather him be on another team so I can root for him. Thank God he isn't going to the Texans.

[TexasRed6x]

I hope so. When I started watching football as a kid I was a Cowboys fan first and then an Oilers fan... the Titans are still my second favorite team and other than the Cowboys getting VY I wouldn't rather him be on another team so I can root for him. Thank God he isn't going to the Texans.
I know. I'm glad that he isn't going to the Texans because if Cassely isn't stupid on his decision on the first pick...BUSH BABY!!:D

[jtk1519]

Vince going to the Titans is going to break me apart. I think it is good for Vince because Jeff Fisher is a very good coach who has worked with a "dual-threat" QB before and Norm Chow is a very respected OC.

However, since they bolted from Houston, there has been no franchise in the NFL I have hated more than the Tennessee Oilers/Titans. There is still no franchise I hate more (Music City Miracle my a**). There is also the fact that Tennessee is a division rival of my Jacksonville Jaguars and NOTHING will make me root against Jacksonville. That's going to make for two very painful games a year if Vince does go to Tennessee.

[SeguinMatadors]

Vince going to the Texans is going to break me apart. I think it is good for Vince because Jeff Fisher is a very good coach who has worked with a "dual-threat" QB before and Norm Chow is a very respected OC.

However, since they bolted from Houston, there has been no franchise in the NFL I have hated more than the Tennessee Oilers/Titans. There is still no franchise I hate more (Music City Miracle my a**). There is also the fact that Tennessee is a division rival of my Jacksonville Jaguars and NOTHING will make me root against Jacksonville. That's going to make for two very painful games a year if Vince does go to Tennessee.

I agree with Vince going to Tennesse being a good thing for him.... I don't think their is a better situation out there; especially if they can get the McNair contract situation worked out so that Vince can sit and learn behind a great for a year.

I guess I am just a loyalist because I didn't have any hard feelings towards the Titans/Oilers and continued to follow them as my second squad. I don't know how Oilers fans became Texans fans and everytime someone tells me they did I sort of cringe and question them and their loyalties.

[HUM398]

Might as well be etched in stone. Vince goes to the titans. If he doesnt, i see him going to the next pick NY Jets. This would be a good stage for Young, but not really a good team. But i dont even know why i bring that up. Young goes to Titans

[TexasRed6x]

Might as well be etched in stone. Vince goes to the titans. If he doesnt, i see him going to the next pick NY Jets. This would be a good stage for Young, but not really a good team. But i dont even know why i bring that up. Young goes to Titans
Young will be taken in the top 10 for sure. I think the possible teams that he may land on are Titans at #3, Packers #5, and Oakland #7.

[SVite]

Reggie Bush - RB - Player


The Houston Chronicle's John McClain insists the Texans' consideration of taking DE Mario Williams at No. 1 is genuine.
ProFootballTalk.com presents a potentially genius scenario. In it, the Texans trade down with Tennessee to No. 3. The Titans take a quarterback, the Saints nab Williams, and Bush lands in Houston cheaply with the third pick overall. It's far-fetched, but that's what time of year it is.

[dragonsdaddy]

didn't read all the posts, but it could be that the texans aren't willing to fund the first pick overall, and expect to trade down to get the best defensive player, who will be cheaper and maybe in the long run, just as valuable. wouldn't be plowing new ground if it turns out to be true. unless they get some ol help, rb and vy together wouldn't be much help.

[svhorns]

Reggie Bush - RB - Player


The Houston Chronicle's John McClain insists the Texans' consideration of taking DE Mario Williams at No. 1 is genuine.
ProFootballTalk.com presents a potentially genius scenario. In it, the Texans trade down with Tennessee to No. 3. The Titans take a quarterback, the Saints nab Williams, and Bush lands in Houston cheaply with the third pick overall. It's far-fetched, but that's what time of year it is.
that is interesting

[svhorns]

Young will be taken in the top 10 for sure. I think the possible teams that he may land on are Titans at #3, Packers #5, and Oakland #7.
I dont think the packer will draft a QB after getting "crybaby" rodgers last year.

[svhorns]

Might as well be etched in stone. Vince goes to the titans. If he doesnt, i see him going to the next pick NY Jets. This would be a good stage for Young, but not really a good team. But i dont even know why i bring that up. Young goes to Titans
I really hope Vince doesnt go to the jets. They wont appreciate him If he gets drafted to the Jets I bet vince gets booed during the draft. Ive heard Jets fans want cutler instead.

[Reaganrattler07]

I really hope Vince doesnt go to the jets. They wont appreciate him If he gets drafted to the Jets I bet vince gets booed during the draft. Ive heard Jets fans want cutler instead.

The jets have Pennington, Ramsey and I think Bollinger. They're "set" at QB. I think Vince goes to Oakland. Or, I watched this draft special on Fox this morning and they had him going to Baltimore.

[TexasRed6x]

The jets have Pennington, Ramsey and I think Bollinger. They're "set" at QB. I think Vince goes to Oakland. Or, I watched this draft special on Fox this morning and they had him going to Baltimore.
I think he will be a top 10 guy. If the Titans don't take him at #3 I think he will go to Oakland as well. I heard rumors going around that the Jets are talking to the Texans about a possible trade to move up to the #1 spot.

[dragonsdaddy]

speaking of oiler fans, anyone who could stomach bud adams for all those years could definitely put up with anything. he was the most offensive owner for many years, and was a role model for some of the a holes around now.