Undisputed: Cut the regular season by one game?

[KT2000]

Here's a question for yall...

Would you be in favor of cutting the regular season by one game (9 games for everyone) if it meant we could play for one, undisputed champion (D1/D2 champs facing off or Super Bracket proposal)?

I've thought about this and been intrigued by the idea. Currently, teams are already unbalanced as far as non-district games to district games. No districts have more than 9 or 10 teams, so cutting it by one week wouldn't prevent any districts from being able to play out their schedule. Scheduling non-district games is a pain for many coaches as it is now.

One of the main drawbacks to things like the Super Bracket (getting top 3 from every district in one bracket, district champs get bye in first round) and having the D1/D2 champs play in the coaches' eyes is having to play another week in order to get to state.

Personally, I believe we could cut the regular season one game and not really lose anything because districts would still be allowed to play out all the way and just about every district could still play at least one non-district game. Non-district slates are already unbalanced due to different size districts so you don't create any problems there that I can see. By eliminating a regular season game, we could play through a Super Bracket or D1/D2 face off scenario and play a max of 16 games.

What do you think?

[drgnbkr]

Here's a question for yall...

Would you be in favor of cutting the regular season by one game (9 games for everyone) if it meant we could play for one, undisputed champion (D1/D2 champs facing off or Super Bracket proposal)?

I've thought about this and been intrigued by the idea. Currently, teams are already unbalanced as far as non-district games to district games. No districts have more than 9 or 10 teams, so cutting it by one week wouldn't prevent any districts from being able to play out their schedule. Scheduling non-district games is a pain for many coaches as it is now.

One of the main drawbacks to things like the Super Bracket (getting top 3 from every district in one bracket, district champs get bye in first round) and having the D1/D2 champs play in the coaches' eyes is having to play another week in order to get to state.

Personally, I believe we could cut the regular season one game and not really lose anything because districts would still be allowed to play out all the way and just about every district could still play at least one non-district game. Non-district slates are already unbalanced due to different size districts so you don't create any problems there that I can see. By eliminating a regular season game, we could play through a Super Bracket or D1/D2 face off scenario and play a max of 16 games.

What do you think?

As I said on the other thread, it makes too much sense for the UIL to adopt...

[KT2000]

StrakeDrake brought this up when I posed this question (non poll form) in the other thread...

Do you think cutting the regular season to 9 games vs. 10 games would raise a real issue with the non-playoff teams?

Personally, I don't think it's a big enough change to be a real problem for non-playoff teams. As noted above, districts would still be able to play out in their entirety with at least one non-district game for nearly everyone in the state. Whether your Southlake Carroll or Laredo United South, you still get nine games overall and the opportunity to handle your business in district.

Also, if the UIL is going to stick with the four teams per district playoffs format, then it's even more of a non-issue in my opinion.

I thought it was an interesting thought though.

[gritty52]

I wholeheartedly agree with you, but it boils down to one thing. What makes people mean, and the root to all evil?? MONEY$$$$. By losing a game it will be $$$$$ :D lost. What your are proposing would be great, but $$$ rules and I think you know that!!

[KT2000]

Gritty, I'm too much of a "competition purist" to see any of those obstacles. :)

We cut a week, but add one at the end. Backloading, if you will. :D

[Drake]

I voted NO because your idea, while well conceived, would take away a game from poorer programs that already struggle for gate receipts and player opportunity...

[KT2000]

I was hoping to get this to a second page before anyone mentioned money. :)

You guys are too quick for me.

[gritty52]

I'm a booster club guy that looks at both sides. It's a shame but $$ rules and is behind everything!!!!:D :D

[bubbacoach]

Here are some of the problems as I see them. But, first let me say I am all for one and only one Champion in each classification.
1. Some team are in eleven team districts. They play 10 district games. I know the 11 team district is the exception and not the rule. I do not think 5A has any 11 team districts, but the UIL must take every classification into consideration when making a rule.
2. The UIL is trying to be as liberal and as PC as the rest of the world is becoming. They want all kids to have the chance to compete for the big prize. They want as many people to have the feeling of success as possible. Even if all they have to do is win 2 out of ten to feel they were successful by making the playoffs.
3. Money. Money is the driving force behind almost everything. The state has discussed dropping extracurricular activities all togethor because of funding. The number one money maker, out of all extracurricular activities is football. The more game the bigger the revenue. Football supports almost all other sports budgets.
I have to leave now, but these are a few of the reasons I never see it happening.

[gburgtiger]

I was hoping to get this to a second page before anyone mentioned money. :)

You guys are too quick for me.

KT-- do the districts split the money from the gate, or do the schools that are playing get the money?

[Drake]

Here are some of the problems as I see them. But, first let me say I am all for one and only one Champion in each classification.
1. Some team are in eleven team districts. They play 10 district games. I know the 11 team district is the exception and not the rule. I do not think 5A has any 11 team districts, but the UIL must take every classification into consideration when making a rule.
2. The UIL is trying to be as liberal and as PC as the rest of the world is becoming. They want all kids to have the chance to compete for the big prize. They want as many people to have the feeling of success as possible. Even if all they have to do is win 2 out of ten to feel they were successful by making the playoffs.
3. Money. Money is the driving force behind almost everything. The state has discussed dropping extracurricular activities all togethor because of funding. The number one money maker, out of all extracurricular activities is football. The more game the bigger the revenue. Football supports almost all other sports budgets.
I have to leave now, but these are a few of the reasons I never see it happening.Bubba... I did not know about 11 team districts but that would not be a major hurdle if the plan KT proposes was considered... I think you make some unfair presumptions about the UIL in your second point... ONE, because I'm guessing that you haven't sat in on their meetings and heard firsthand what their thinking may be, and TWO, your 3rd point is such a strong reason to add another team that their personal beliefs on political correctness or rewarding mediocrity is irrelevant...

[bubbacoach]

No but my AD gets a report from them and then relays it to us. So I would think my information is pretty good.

[Drake]

No but my AD gets a report from them and then relays it to us. So I would think my information is pretty good.Well, you have a pretty good source... Even if they're primary motivation was to be politically correct, it doesn't make it necessarily wrong...

We have a furniture salesman in Houston named Mattress Mac... I've heard people complain that everytime he donates to something he makes sure to get on the radio and tell everyone he's doing it. They say he only does it for the publicity... I can't argue that but I'm thinking "so what?" Regardless of his motivation, what he's doing is good for others and therefore good...

My point is, your 3rd point is SO STRONG and correct, that it doesn't really matter what the UIL's justification was, it was a good thing to do... I think, don't you?

[ktCarl]

I voted NO because your idea, while well conceived, would take away a game from poorer programs that already struggle for gate receipts and player opportunity...

You keep mentioning gate receipts as if this is pro ball. Some of the teams in the past in the playoffs that I have seen have a woeful fan base even 2 or 3 games deep.

[Drake]

You keep mentioning gate receipts as if this is pro ball. Some of the teams in the past in the playoffs that I have seen have a woeful fan base even 2 or 3 games deep.Not at all... I have no clue really, but I would think that even a modestly attended regular season hs game clears $10-15K for the home school district... That is a useful sum of money...

[ktCarl]

Not at all... I have no clue really, but I would think that even a modestly attended regular season hs game clears $10-15K for the home school district... That is a useful sum of money...

Somewhere and sometime in our society money has got to stop being the end all for everything. It seems that money justifies everything.

Are you buying me and KatyDad0407 a hamburger? It would makes us feel good and what's a few $$ to a trouper like yourself?:D

[dragons08]

As I said on the other thread, it makes too much sense for the UIL to adopt...
thats why i put no..i thought it was a do you think will happen type question

[Tut]

I voted no because I don't want to rob the poor to feed the rich. However, the two division system is absurd. If there are four playoff teams per district, what's wrong with a championship and a consolation bracket? (like 7 on 7, or NCAA / NIT) There would be no need for an extra game or subtracting one. The 3rd and 4th place teams would have a real chance of advancing.

You might as well pull team logos out of a hat than decide D1 & D2 by enrollment. This past season, D1 would have had (15) 1st, 3rd, and 4th place teams and (19) 2nd's. Where is the logic?

As for the fourth place teams, less than half had a winning record. (8 losing & 9 even) Next year will have more first round blowouts while two teams lay claim to THE State Championship.

[cougardude]

Why would they even have to cut a game? Right now schools have 11 weeks to play their ten games - just get rid of the bye week. ;)

[KT2000]

Cougardude,

That's actually what we proposed in our Super Bracket. Get rid of the bye week. Not everyone has a bye week now anyway. That's obviously the proposal I'd want over others.

I started thinking of the idea above and wanted to see what kind of reaction it got. I've read how some believe we play too many games right now, and wanted to toss the idea out there. It's a more extreme measure than others but interesting to discuss I think. I couldn't remember seeing a topic on this before.

[ktCarl]

I'm for unifying the State Title in all classifications somehow.

[Down n' Out]

I voted yes...If money is going to be raised as an issue, it needs to be addressed. Who gets the gate when a huge fan based team plays a team with very little fan base? I doubt it's split down the middle so the rich get richer, anyway...

[lonny23]

I like this one better than the other one. I don't want a consolation bracket. I'd rather have 4 teams playing for the title.

[RocklandDragon]

I'm perplexed. I don't want to cut out a regular season game. It's been 10 games for about 70 something years or something like that. Are there so many people against a unification game or extending the playoffs one week? They used to play the championship game at the end of December.

Seven weeks of playoff action would be exciting but it is long and grueling for the participants. Then again, so is SIX weeks. How would a schedule of seven weeks of football look like? Could it be possible the championship would be played in January?

[Drake]

Somewhere and sometime in our society money has got to stop being the end all for everything. It seems that money justifies everything.

Are you buying me and KatyDad0407 a hamburger? It would makes us feel good and what's a few $$ to a trouper like yourself?:DYou can't buy many uniforms with just dignity...

As far as buying hamburgers... SURE!

[KT2000]

Rockland, the main argument against just eliminating the bye week and playing the extra game is that we play a long enough schedule as is. That's the main reason why I wanted to post this particular thread/poll to see how everyone else reacted.

[YuccaRoot]

Keep the regular season at 10 games. Since only two schools would have to deal with one extra week to unify the title, let them play.

[RidgePride]

Yes - Yes - Yes

The final game would end all debate.

[dragonfootballfan]

How would this affect the UIL's deal with Fox sports. I am already pretty sure that they are upset that they will have only one weekend to televise two games. I wonder if Fox is able to force the championship locations this year so that they can air them back to back with the same camera crew and announcers or if they will just air one game.

[lonny23]

How would this affect the UIL's deal with Fox sports. I am already pretty sure that they are upset that they will have only one weekend to televise two games. I wonder if Fox is able to force the championship locations this year so that they can air them back to back with the same camera crew and announcers or if they will just air one game.
They'll probably just air the Judson game because that's the one everybody wants to watch!:p

I asked KT2000 that question a few days ago and he hasn't answered yet. I bet they somehow end up with both games on TV, but the same location is shakier. I'd like the games to be in the same place so I don't have to travel that day.

[dragonsdaddy]

as has been proven, and in spades espoused on here, money talks. the hc's have adamantly opposed the loss of choice in po sites. their bosses however are very much less immune to the filthy lucre provided by tv revenue. i predict that there will be a bidding war over the rights to the 5a state games, and probably any of the earlier games deemed marketable. i see a game of the week, once the po's begin. having same day finals allows the savings by the network to be passed on to the schools/uil. the cities involved can also get in on the bidding and provide some incentives.