Texas QB's taking over College Football?

[brad@sunshinepreps]

Is Texas going to rival Cali and Pennsylvania as the Top QB state in the Nation. Think about this, over the past 4 or 5 years Texas is second to non when it comes to producing great QB's.

Drew Tate-Iowa
R. Bomar-OU
V. Young-Texas
R. McNeil- A&M
Kevin Kolb-Houston

and now
Chase Daniels- Mizzo
Matt Stafford- Georgia
J. Snead- Florida
Kirby Freeman-Miami
Robert Johnson- Arkansas
Bobby Reid-OSU
Graham Harrell-Texas Tech
Caleb Hanie- Colorado St
Brian Johnson- Utah
Joe Fields- Syracuse
Stephen McGee-A&M
Taylor Potts-TT
Greg McElroy-?
Christian Ponder-?
and many more.

If Ponder goes to FSU, like many think he might. It could happen where in 2 or 3 years the Big 3 in Florida all having Texas starting QB's. Thats a big maybe but it could happen. And its only a matter of Time before some of these guys are playing on Sundays.

[Texasfrog]

Is Texas going to rival Cali and Pennsylvania as the Top QB state in the Nation. Think about this, over the past 4 or 5 years Texas is second to non when it comes to producing great QB's.

Drew Tate-Iowa
R. Bomar-OU
V. Young-Texas
R. McNeil- A&M
Kevin Kolb-Houston

and now
Chase Daniels- Mizzo
Matt Stafford- Georgia
J. Snead- Florida
Kirby Freeman-Miami
Robert Johnson- Arkansas
Bobby Reid-OSU
Graham Harrell-Texas Tech
Caleb Hanie- Colorado St
Brian Johnson- Utah
Joe Fields- Syracuse
Stephen McGee-A&M
Taylor Potts-TT
Greg McElroy-?
Christian Ponder-?
and many more.

If Ponder goes to FSU, like many think he might. It could happen where in 2 or 3 years the Big 3 in Florida all having Texas starting QB's. Thats a big maybe but it could happen. And its only a matter of Time before some of these guys are playing on Sundays.

I told some dude from Cali about five years ago that Texas was on its way to being a bigtime QB producing State. He didnt believe me...

The reason is because many of the Texas 5A and 4A programs have gone to the spread offense and are throwing the football for 50% to 60% of the game. The kids are going to summer camps and summer 7 on 7 and ect. The coaches are getting better at coaching the schemes of the passing game (Spread and West Coast style offense).

Texas has always been know for having big powerful fireballer players as baseball pitchers. Just now alot of those kids are playing QB in the spread offense. The days of pounding it out for 4 to 5 yards with powerful running games are over for the most part. These Texas QB's today would of been playing LB's, TE's or DE in the old Texas days when it was run left, run right and run up the middle.

Also if Rhett Bomar doesnt win the starting nod at Oklahoma.. it will be another Texas gunslinger Paul Thompson (Leander, Tx) who many believe was better than Jason White even over the last two years. I hear its a toss-up right now between Thompson and Bomar at OU..

[Firebird]

Not so fast there. While I agree that Texas has, by and large, tatken enourmous leaps in the passing game and has begun producing some top- level talent at qb, a bunch of the guys on your list have yet to play a college down.

Drew Tate, R. McNeil, and V. Young are all elite college quarterbacks, and Kevin Kolb is poised to break out. Everyone else still has to get out there and play some ball. They are all great athletes with enourmous potential, but it is still early to proclaim Texas the "QB" state. There are, however, some great Texas qb's you missed:

Drew Brees, Austin Westlake and Purdue.
Kliff Kingsbury, New Braunfels and Tech
BJ Symons, ? and Tech.

[Texasfrog]

Not so fast there. While I agree that Texas has, by and large, tatken enourmous leaps in the passing game and has begun producing some top- level talent at qb, a bunch of the guys on your list have yet to play a college down.

Drew Tate, R. McNeil, and V. Young are all elite college quarterbacks, and Kevin Kolb is poised to break out. Everyone else still has to get out there and play some ball. They are all great athletes with enourmous potential, but it is still early to proclaim Texas the "QB" state. There are, however, some great Texas qb's you missed:

Drew Brees, Austin Westlake and Purdue.
Kliff Kingsbury, New Braunfels and Tech
BJ Symons, ? and Tech.

Firebird... heres a few more Texas throwers..playing for MONEY.

NFL
Josh McCown -- Arizona Cardinals
Luke McCown - Tampa Bay Bucs
Tommy Maddox - Pitt Steelers
Ty Detmer - Atlanta Falcons
Koy Detmer - Philly Eagles

"who said the Manning brothers were the only QB brother pair in the NFL?" Texas has two sets.

CFL
Casey Printers - British Columiba CFL 2004 MVP
Eli Roberson - Montreal
Michael Bishop - Starting in the CFL "cant remember for who".

AFL
Clint Dolezel - Las Vegas AFL Holds alot of AFL records
Clint Stoerner - Dallas AFL. - NFL talent.

I think I'm missing a couple of others throwing for money..

[LeanderLions3033]

I'm pretty sure BJ Symons went to one of the Cypress high schools right outside of houston. Probably either Cy Fair, or Cy falls or something like that. Paul thompson by no means was better than the Heisman trophy winning Jason White over the past two years. There were lots of questions on whether or not he should get the starting job over Rhett Bomar considering bomar is playing almost just as good as Thompson, and he is two years younger. I'm rooting for Paul all the way, because i know what he can do on the field, its quite amazing. Hopefully he shows out next year.

[Texasfrog]

I'm pretty sure BJ Symons went to one of the Cypress high schools right outside of houston. Probably either Cy Fair, or Cy falls or something like that. Paul thompson by no means was better than the Heisman trophy winning Jason White over the past two years. There were lots of questions on whether or not he should get the starting job over Rhett Bomar considering bomar is playing almost just as good as Thompson, and he is two years younger. I'm rooting for Paul all the way, because i know what he can do on the field, its quite amazing. Hopefully he shows out next year.

You better go tell that to some of the OU faithful. Alot of them believe that Paul Thompson was just as good as Jason White. Coach Stoops had two solid QB's so he had to make a choice because he had two very solid QB's (White and Thompson) So, he redshirted Thompson in hopes of getting another year out of him. Even some of the OU coaches will tell you that the over all drop off between Jason White and Paul Thompson was very small. In fact Paul Thompson overall game was better than Jason White (Run & Pass).

Just that over that same time period he signed the best rated QB (Rhett Bomar) ever rated out of Texas that many have compared to a young John Elway. From what I hear the battle between Thompson and Bomar may come down to opening day because it so close.

[pack0808]

quote from texas frog "The days of pounding it out for 4 to 5 yards with powerful running games are over for the most part"


wrong, offenses go through different phases just like the run and shoot but running the football will never die. many will go back to powerful running games when defenses learn and build there defense to defend the spread and many very good teams still have powerful running games in running formations. examples in 5a, katy, dallas carter, northshore, arlington lamar, clear lake, smithson valley, judson, waco, longview etc etc etc running teams will never die in my opinion.

[Texasfrog]

quote from texas frog "The days of pounding it out for 4 to 5 yards with powerful running games are over for the most part"


wrong, offenses go through different phases just like the run and shoot but running the football will never die. many will go back to powerful running games when defenses learn and build there defense to defend the spread and many very good teams still have powerful running games in running formations. examples in 5a, katy, dallas carter, northshore, arlington lamar, clear lake, smithson valley, judson, waco, longview etc etc etc running teams will never die in my opinion.

The reference is made for the State of Texas in general. The State of Texas overall has gone through alot of changes over the past 10 years with the offenses. The passing game just in the last 10 years has gone light years.

In the 60's, 70's, 80's and even early 90's .. Texas was a run, run, run and then run again State. 99% of the Texas coaches said "two things happen when you throw a football and both are bad" type of attitude.

In the last 10 or so years the Spread offense and West coast type of offensives have taken over in Texas for alot of the 5A and 4A programs. More and more every year adopting the passing type of game. Its just a 100% fact.

Remember..there were days when Longview, Lufkin and even Katy only put the ball up 3 to 4 times a game. Today they (Longview, Lufkin and Katy) put it up 10 to sometimes 15 times a game. Katy wouldnt of won their recent State titles if they couldnt throw the ball.

Like I stated.. the reference is for Texas in general and I'm comparing it to the Texas game of the 70's, 80's and most of the 90's. :)

Ps. Even these Spread teams usually have very sound running games to help balance it out. That's what makes that offense very dangerous in my opinion. It spreads the field and makes every defensive player respect everything. Defensives just cant load up the "BOX" with 9 players to stop the run.

[CoppellCowboy57]

Danial Raudabaugh - Miami (ohio)

he'll make a good QB with recivers that can catch

[jrdaniel]

wrong, offenses go through different phases just like the run and shoot but running the football will never die. many will go back to powerful running games when defenses learn and build there defense to defend the spread and many very good teams still have powerful running games in running formations. examples in 5a, katy, dallas carter, northshore, arlington lamar, clear lake, smithson valley, judson, waco, longview etc etc etc running teams will never die in my opinion.
I wish that were true pack, but I think this passing phase is going to last a lot longer than phases of the past (run and shoot, wishbone, etc). The reason is that football has become a club sport with the advent of 7 on 7 in Texas. The rules of 7on7 promote spread offensive philosophies, as well as provide an opportunity for live practice throughout the off season. Coming from a historical running team, I would rather see 7on7 bring some running into the rules if it is to continue.

[pack0808]

The reference is made for the State of Texas in general Packattack. The State of Texas overall has gone through alot of changes over the past 10 years with the offenses. The passing game just in the last 10 years has gone light years.

In the 60's, 70's, 80's and even early 90's .. Texas was a run, run, run and then run again State. 99% of the Texas coaches said "two things happen when you throw a football and both are bad" type of attitude.

In the last 10 or so years the Spread offense and West coast type of offensives have taken over in Texas for alot of the 5A and 4A programs. More and more every year adopting the passing type of game. Its just a 100% fact.

Remember..there were days when Longview, Lufkin and even Katy only put the ball up 3 to 4 times a game. Today they (Longview, Lufkin and Katy) put it up 10 to sometimes 15 times a game. Katy wouldnt of won their recent State titles if they couldnt throw the ball.

Like I stated.. the reference is for Texas in general and I'm comparing it to the Texas game of the 70's, 80's and most of the 90's. :)

Ps. Even these Spread teams usually have very sound running games to help balance it out. That's what makes that offense very dangerous in my opinion. It spreads the field and makes every defensive player respect everything. Defensives just cant load up the "BOX" with 9 players to stop the run.

oh i agree completely that there has been tremendous change in the 4a and 5a ranks in style of offense but i was just making a point that several team still run the ball a lot more then they pass and they are still in running formations. when has katy put the ball up 15 times in a game?? maybe if they were way behind?? northshore ran about 85 percent of the time correct?? they were one of the most dominant 5a teams ever just a few years ago. i would venture to say both dallas carter and longview run close to 90 percent of the time and both of those teams are still extremely successful. the same goes for arlington lamar. my point, there is no question that the spread is the offense of choice now but running teams in running formations continue to get it done. and you are right about the spread needing running to. i have actually seen running football teams that use the spread. most think pass when thinking spread but some teams use it to run the ball most of the time. one example, lufkin 03 ran a lot more then they passed.

[Xfballphenome05]

dont forget about clearlake,i think last year they averaged about 4 passes a game,if that.

[Texasfrog]

dont forget about clearlake,i think last year they averaged about 4 passes a game,if that.

Looking at Clear Lakes stats from last season:

5017 rushing... 604 passing.. in 15 games. They ran it and then ran it and after that they ran it somemore. No doubt. In fact I compare them alot to Ohio's Colerain team with the offense.

[myround0]

I told some dude from Cali about five years ago that Texas was on its way to being a bigtime QB producing State. He didnt believe me...

The reason is because many of the Texas 5A and 4A programs have gone to the spread offense and are throwing the football for 50% to 60% of the game. The kids are going to summer camps and summer 7 on 7 and ect. The coaches are getting better at coaching the schemes of the passing game (Spread and West Coast style offense).

Texas has always been know for having big powerful fireballer players as baseball pitchers. Just now alot of those kids are playing QB in the spread offense. The days of pounding it out for 4 to 5 yards with powerful running games are over for the most part. These Texas QB's today would of been playing LB's, TE's or DE in the old Texas days when it was run left, run right and run up the middle.

Also if Rhett Bomar doesnt win the starting nod at Oklahoma.. it will be another Texas gunslinger Paul Thompson (Leander, Tx) who many believe was better than Jason White even over the last two years. I hear its a toss-up right now between Thompson and Bomar at OU..

Joel Armstrong at rice. former Lobo

[Texasfrog]

Joel Armstrong at rice. former Lobo

His a great player and one heck of an athlete. :)

[Texasfrog]

oh i agree completely that there has been tremendous change in the 4a and 5a ranks in style of offense but i was just making a point that several team still run the ball a lot more then they pass and they are still in running formations. when has katy put the ball up 15 times in a game?? maybe if they were way behind?? northshore ran about 85 percent of the time correct?? they were one of the most dominant 5a teams ever just a few years ago. i would venture to say both dallas carter and longview run close to 90 percent of the time and both of those teams are still extremely successful. the same goes for arlington lamar. my point, there is no question that the spread is the offense of choice now but running teams in running formations continue to get it done. and you are right about the spread needing running to. i have actually seen running football teams that use the spread. most think pass when thinking spread but some teams use it to run the ball most of the time. one example, lufkin 03 ran a lot more then they passed.

Hey Pack0808.. here is some of Katy's stats from last season out of the Houston Chronicle.

Clear Lake : ( 8 com - 14 att) - Lost 35-34
Hightower : (10 com-15 att) - Won 34-20
K. Taylor : ( 7 com - 13 att) - Won 34-14
Humble : ( 5 com- 13 att) - Won 36-16
J. Villiage : ( 12 com-23 att) - Won 21-14
A&M Con : ( 7 com- 13 att) - Won 21-17

I've been at a few Katy games over the last few years 1997 -2002 where they put it up in the air anywhere from 12 to 15 times during the game. In fact Katy has a nice passing game that compliments their power running game. Usually it's with play-action so LB's and DB's bite hard.

I agree with you. There is always going to be teams that "RUN" the ball for 80% of their offense.

Last year Midland Lee ran alot of spread formations but ran the ball 90% of the time. Alot of zone-read like the Univ-Tx.

But.. I remember when the big passing play in Texas was a bootleg pass out of the Pro-I and a long fade pass to the best WR on the team were the two passing plays on most Texas teams. Teams were considered a passing team if they were advanced enough to have some kind of drag or crossing pattern in their offense.

The passing game in Texas has come along , long , long way in a short period. In that, we will see alot more passing prospects coming out of Texas that will go on to the higher levels and become pretty solid passers. :)

But, I agree with 100%. I think teams can run the ball great out of the spread formations. The defenders have to cover to much and it creates alot of running lanes on the field.

[pack0808]

i stand corrected on katy i see they passed at 15 times in a game twice last year. i bet they still run the ball close to 75 percent of the time though.