7 on 7

[South Texas]

Is 7 on 7 overrated? Does it really set to accomplish the entire team concept of the game.

[badger95]

Very overrated. Give me a list of the finalists for the 7 on 7 state championships, and see how many match up with deep runs into the playoffs. Not many.

There's nothing like time in the weight room and runnin' on the field with everyone; not just your skill guys.

[KT2000]

It may be overrated as far as direct translation to fall success. However, I'm a supporter of it because it keeps teammates together and working over the summer. I believe it can help build some team chemistry. It's a great extended summer drill for the skill position players in addition to the occassional LB also.

[badger95]

But games are won in the trenches. So while those pretty boys are out throwin' that rock around the big boys are sayin' "the hell with weights; if they ain't gonna do it, neither am I."

The chemistry built during 7 on 7 does not translate to the locker room or the huddle. I'd want all my kids worrying about finding time to run and lift together instead of my valuable skill guys more worried about a 7 on 7 tournament.

[CKE]

But games are won in the trenches. So while those pretty boys are out throwin' that rock around the big boys are sayin' "the hell with weights; if they ain't gonna do it, neither am I."

The chemistry built during 7 on 7 does not translate to the locker room or the huddle. I'd want all my kids worrying about finding time to run and lift together instead of my valuable skill guys more worried about a 7 on 7 tournament.

how many trenches does SLC run threw a year compared to passing?????

[CyFalls#1]

There's a pretty direct correlation between the recent success of Texas in placing D1 QBs / WRs / CBs and the proliferation of the 7 on 7 program. 7 on 7 recognizes the offenses being used in many of the schools at the HS and collegiate level, and affords the offense and defense opportunities to perfect timing, skills and execution. Many colleges/recruiters use 7 on 7 tape to evaluate players on both sides of the ball, as it offers an "up close" look at prospects and abilities. This "look" is reinforced in the fall but actual game experience.

The point of "not being in the trenches" lifting and the like doesn't necessarily make sense to me -- kids will be lifting all summer regardless of 7 on 7 participation. Tournaments are typically only 1 day, with the exception of the state event. The "team" experience and espirit de corps are only bettered in my opinion, because more time is spent as a team on execution.

As to the correlation of 7 on 7 and fall success, the interior OL / DL play a hugely important role. I agree with you completely. A good 7 on 7 team with poor interior play goes nowhere in the fall. (See Baytown Lee from '05) But a team which executes well in 7 on 7 and which has good play from OL/DL, IMO does very well versus a team without skill position execution.

[dragonfootballfan]

7 on 7 can be very helpful to a football team, when that team runs its basic plays that it would during the football season. There are many teams that run specific 7 on 7 plays, and they may win tournaments but they will not win football games. Arlington Lamar is a prime example of this.

[dragonfootballfan]

how many trenches does SLC run threw a year compared to passing?????
you probably will not agree with me, but the reason that Carroll has been so successful over the last few years, is because they have had great offensive and defensive lineman over the past few years.

[South Texas]

Winner Runner Up
1998 Southlake Carroll (4A) Grapevine (4A)
1999 North Mesquite (5A) Lake Worth (3A)
2000 Celina (2A) Abilene Cooper (5A)
2001 Baytown Lee (5A) Austin Bowie (5A)
2002 Katy Cinco Ranch (5A) Abilene (5A)
2003 Odessa Permian (5A) Burnet (3A)
2004 Tyler Lee (5A) Katy Taylor (5A)

(Bold are State Champs)

There is success between the winners of 7 on 7 and the state champion of different classification. But how many school push the idea of 7 on 7 and can't get past there district games. So in 8 years, 72 teams have won a state championship (all classification) but only 3 have advanced to the 7 on 7 tournament finals. Heck with those odds don't go to Vegas.

[drgnbkr]

7 on 7 is good for spread teams to work on routes & timing for QB's & WR's, but I think it is even more important for the LB's & DB's.....but no real predictor of team play...IMO

[dragonsdaddy]

Winner Runner Up
1998 Southlake Carroll (4A) Grapevine (4A)
1999 North Mesquite (5A) Lake Worth (3A)
2000 Celina (2A) Abilene Cooper (5A)
2001 Baytown Lee (5A) Austin Bowie (5A)
2002 Katy Cinco Ranch (5A) Abilene (5A)
2003 Odessa Permian (5A) Burnet (3A)
2004 Tyler Lee (5A) Katy Taylor (5A)

(Bold are State Champs)

There is success between the winners of 7 on 7 and the state champion of different classification. But how many school push the idea of 7 on 7 and can't get past there district games. So in 8 years, 72 teams have won a state championship (all classification) but only 3 have advanced to the 7 on 7 tournament finals. Heck with those odds don't go to Vegas.
don't know how you'd find out , but it would be interesting to find out how many teams in the final four in each classification competed in a 7on7 league or in tournys. winning 7on7 should never be the goal, but competing/bonding/staying in shape/improving skills and relationships is. there is definitely more to fall ball than 7on7, but i don't think you can be long term successful without it, because all your competition is.

[forest99]

[QUOTE=South Texas]Winner Runner Up
1998 Southlake Carroll (4A) Grapevine (4A)
1999 North Mesquite (5A) Lake Worth (3A)
2000 Celina (2A) Abilene Cooper (5A)
2001 Baytown Lee (5A) Austin Bowie (5A)
2002 Katy Cinco Ranch (5A) Abilene (5A)
2003 Odessa Permian (5A) Burnet (3A)
2004 Tyler Lee (5A) Katy Taylor (5A)

1998-grapvine champs, southlake carroll semi-finals....1999-north mesquite lost to plano east who went to quarters, lake worth lost to state champ commerce...2000-celina champs, abilene cooper lost in 2OT in the quarters...2001-baytown lee went 9-1 and lost in 2nd round, austin bowie lost to judson in 1st round....2002-katy cinco ranch went from 2-8 to 6-4 that season in only third year of existance , abilene went 9-1 and lost in 2nd round...2003 odessa permian had only winning season this decade , burnet lost in title game...2004-tyler lee champs, katy taylor had 1st winning season in its history (10 years)........so no, going to the champ game in 7 on 7 doesnt mean you will win state, but it does mean that you will have your own bit of success on friday nights, and i think this post proves that....

[dragonsdaddy]

baytown lee and bay city finished 1-2 this year. i don't remember either's fall results.

[South Texas]

http://www.texasfootball.com/index.php?s=&url_channel_id=33&url_article_id=240&url_subchannel_id=&change_well_id=2

How many of these teams in 05 were actually playoff material (past the 1st round with an above .500 record)

[dragonsdaddy]

the real question should be, how many of these teams improved due to their involvement in 7on7? the answer is every one of them, some more than others. all defenders got reps in ways you can't do on your own. the teams that ran their reg offenses did too. the rest were wasting their time on o, but may in fact have been more successful.

[biglee2007]

In the league we play in (Dobie, Deer Park, Sam Rayburn, Clear Brook i think, some other teams I cant remember) we came in first but in the season we still only went 3-7 so ya lol

[RidgePride]

you probably will not agree with me, but the reason that Carroll has been so successful over the last few years, is because they have had great offensive and defensive lineman over the past few years.
I agree whole heartedly. I have made those comments myself.

[Drake]

7 on 7 is a fun and competitive way to work on routes, timing, coverages, and communication for the skill positions ... Success in 7 on 7 doesn't necessarily translate to success in the fall because obviously blocking and tackling is a MAJOR part of fall football, but 7 on 7 is definitely helpful and a positive development for high school football in Texas...

Also, it gives some of us junkies a fix between spring training and the season...

[dragonsdaddy]

ttt

[Oiler1]

The 7 on 7 tournaments give an opportunity for the younger players coming up to replace those that graduated a chance to get reps and improve their skills. While Baytown Lee didn't do well in the regular season last year, their 7 on 7 success showcased the talents of a good QB and WR combination. They just didn't have the rest of the supporting cast when the regular season came around. 7 on 7 is definately a useful tool to have in teaching your systems (unless you modify them for 7 on 7).

[CCHS77]

7 on 7 is definately a useful tool to have in teaching your systems (unless you modify them for 7 on 7).

In a word; Amen!

[dragonsdaddy]

anyone attending any tournys where azle or alamar is playing can see first hand how not to get the most out of 7on7 while being relatively successful at said 7on7.