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jc84chill
09-25-2011, 11:27 PM
Alrighty, here we go folks...

Only two teams lost in last week's top 25 and one of those was to a team ranked higher (Colleyville Heritage v Trinity). As a result, only one team in and one team out in addition to some re-shuffling in the middle.

http://www.5atexasfootball.com/top-25 (http://www.5atexasfootball.com/top-25)

MALAMEDICINA
09-26-2011, 12:59 AM
pretty solid list. Trinity is in the 2nd - 5th place range. Its getting crazy this season so far.

twcpfan1
09-26-2011, 01:17 AM
Surprised SLC is still that high. I mean I don't exactly know how good Keller Fossil Ridge and Richardon Berkner are, but those are less than impressive wins.

jc84chill
09-26-2011, 01:19 AM
pretty solid list. Trinity is in the 2nd - 5th place range. Its getting crazy this season so far.

Yup, we agree... these next two/three weeks are the most difficult from a ranking standpoint because not everything makes nice, neat sense. A large chunk of teams usually show some mid-season inconsistencies. Also have to be mindful of the better districts in the state beating up on each other this time of year.

jc84chill
09-26-2011, 01:27 AM
Surprised SLC is still that high. I mean I don't exactly know how good Keller Fossil Ridge and Richardon Berkner are, but those are less than impressive wins.

SLC is showing some vulnerability and is sliding back down as a result. They do have a 7 point Week 0 win over Cove on the resume who is currently at #12. That's still fresh enough in our opinion for the rankings to follow suit. However, that won't necessarily be the case if the teams continue to head in opposite directions.

maxtor
09-26-2011, 08:31 AM
Surprised SLC is still that high. I mean I don't exactly know how good Keller Fossil Ridge and Richardon Berkner are, but those are less than impressive wins.

I hate to say it but I think they are definitely ranked a bit high. But nothing crazy.

twcpfan1
09-26-2011, 10:00 AM
I hate to say it but I think they are definitely ranked a bit high. But nothing crazy.

I don't know what to make of NS either. They do have that win against Klein Oak but they also have the monster loss to Katy. Close call in their last game against Pasadena Memorial. They seem a little inconsistent. I mean their credentials IMO are no better than ours so far this year, and I don't think we should be anywhere near being ranked.

my3boys
09-26-2011, 10:06 AM
How can SA Brandeis get leap froged by Harlingen (the valley)? Brandeis fell from #23 to #25. AND Harlingen went from #25 to #23. BOTH teams are 5-0. HARLINGEN plays football in the VALLEY!

Fleeman93
09-26-2011, 10:32 AM
How can SA Brandeis get leap froged by Harlingen (the valley)? Brandeis fell from #23 to #25. AND Harlingen went from #25 to #23. BOTH teams are 5-0. HARLINGEN plays football in the VALLEY!

My guess is that statistically speaking Harlingen is a better football team than Brandeis and until they play each other it will probably be the case.

covedawgfan
09-26-2011, 11:31 AM
I don't see Cove or SLC rated as high as you have them, agreed with the discussion on SLC thus far on this thread. Cove has shown sparks of being a top 25 team but they really need to develop their offense to a more balanced attack and their defense needs to be able to stop opponents from gaining so many yards on the short passing game. Overall your ratings look good.

gruey
09-26-2011, 11:49 AM
How can SA Brandeis get leap froged by Harlingen (the valley)? Brandeis fell from #23 to #25. AND Harlingen went from #25 to #23. BOTH teams are 5-0. HARLINGEN plays football in the VALLEY!

... because Harlingen is a very good team! Maybe you need to look at a team as a team and not base things solely on where they are from. There are very good and very bad teams in every part of this state. I'm from Harlingen and live in SA now, and my son played for the Cards. I've seen Brandeis and many other SA schools. I even did the play by play from the pressbox for ya'lls third round playoff game from the Alamodome. Yes ya'll are good, but not just because you are from SA.... just like Harlingen isn't weak because they are from the Valley. We'll see who is better if we ever meet. Until then it is what it is. I've seen Harlingen be underrated though since I went there back in the 80s. They have been getting better and better though. Coach Gomez is good for those kids. He gets them to produce and believe way above even their own expectations. He has them believing they can do anything if they put in the hard work and execute, and not to think they can't just because they are from the Valley.

KT2000
09-26-2011, 11:54 AM
I'm not fully convinced by anyone not named Allen or DeSoto at this point. I haven't seen Trinity.

MALAMEDICINA
09-26-2011, 12:04 PM
Should be Allen, Desoto, than the rest of the best....

Vergon
09-26-2011, 12:33 PM
How can SA Brandeis get leap froged by Harlingen (the valley)? Brandeis fell from #23 to #25. AND Harlingen went from #25 to #23. BOTH teams are 5-0. HARLINGEN plays football in the VALLEY!

If Keenum is out for the season, Brandeis shouldn't even be in the top 50.

I have seen both teams play and I don't think Brandeis' D would be able to contain one of the top offenses in the state. Harlingen deserves to be ranked higher than Brandeis.

GoCards
09-26-2011, 01:21 PM
How can SA Brandeis get leap froged by Harlingen (the valley)? Brandeis fell from #23 to #25. AND Harlingen went from #25 to #23. BOTH teams are 5-0. HARLINGEN plays football in the VALLEY!

I can agree with you my3boys, not even knowing what Brandeis has to offer. Hgn should stay near the tail end of this silly thing because their schedule is creampuff till the playoffs (probably 3rd round). I guess the only positive Hgn will have through district is that everyone wants to beat a ranked/hyped team, which means Hgn should get everyone's best shot. Problem is, a lot of those shots will be with water pistols, I hate to say. :D

gruey
09-26-2011, 01:31 PM
I can agree with you my3boys, not even knowing what Brandeis has to offer. Hgn should stay near the tail end of this silly thing because their schedule is creampuff till the playoffs (probably 3rd round). I guess the only positive Hgn will have through district is that everyone wants to beat a ranked/hyped team, which means Hgn should get everyone's best shot. Problem is, a lot of those shots will be with water pistols, I hate to say. :D

Seriously... water pistols? lol That is a bit of an exaggeration. If you are truly a Cardinal fan.... which I am not quite sure of... you know good and well there are teams in 31-5A that are better than that. Yes Harlingen is better than them, but you know they come out gunning for them and are quite capable of taking Harlingen down if Harlingen lets up. Edinburg, PSJA, PSJA N, PSJA Memorial, and Harlingen South all want Harlingen bad, and it's a good possibility it could happen. Those teams ALWAYS play their best games against Harlingen, and some wouldn't care if they lost all season and the only win they had was against the Cardinals. You ALWAYS have to respect your opponent no matter who they are.

GoCards
09-26-2011, 01:50 PM
Seriously... water pistols? lol That is a bit of an exaggeration. If you are truly a Cardinal fan.... which I am not quite sure of... you know good and well there are teams in 31-5A that are better than that. Yes Harlingen is better than them, but you know they come out gunning for them and are quite capable of taking Harlingen down if Harlingen lets up. Edinburg, PSJA, PSJA N, PSJA Memorial, and Harlingen South all want Harlingen bad, and it's a good possibility it could happen. Those teams ALWAYS play their best games against Harlingen, and some wouldn't care if they lost all season and the only win they had was against the Cardinals.

Thank you for basically supporting what I stated about everyone taking their best shot, always playing their best games against Hgn, wanting Hgn bad, wouldn't care if they lost all season and just beat Hgn, etc. etc. Of course Hgn can lose, but I don't see a contender in 31-5a, in fact, it's a down year across the board for this district, excepting Hgn. Does being a fan of the Cardinals for 50 years (and not since birth) qualify me as truly being a Card fan? I've seen enough to become realistic, taking things a game at a time. When I read the valley forums, with people talking about Hgn being in the title game, I know those posters have not seen playoff football beyond the 3rd round. I have attended qtr, semi, and title games for a long time, starting with the '63 PSJA game against Corsicana. I guess you are only contending with my "water pistol" comment, and I am sticking with it. Come join me in the real world. ;)

gruey
09-26-2011, 02:00 PM
Thank you for basically supporting what I stated about everyone taking their best shot, always playing their best games against Hgn, wanting Hgn bad, wouldn't care if they lost all season and just beat Hgn, etc. etc. Of course Hgn can lose, but I don't see a contender in 31-5a, in fact, it's a down year across the board for this district, excepting Hgn. Does being a fan of the Cardinals for 50 years (and not since birth) qualify me as truly being a Card fan? I've seen enough to become realistic, taking things a game at a time. When I read the valley forums, with people talking about Hgn being in the title game, I know those posters have not seen playoff football beyond the 3rd round. I have attended qtr, semi, and title games for a long time, starting with the '63 PSJA game against Corsicana. I guess you are only contending with my "water pistol" comment, and I am sticking with it. Come join me in the real world. ;)

Who is talking about Harlingen being in the Title game? Maybe some saying they want that and are aiming for that, but who isn't? ... and I have seen plenty of games past the 3rd round and outside of the Valley. I don't even live in the Valley anymore. I live in SA. lol My point was you can't underestimate your opponents and the water pistol comment was a total exaggeration. I know 31-5a is down supposedly this season, but the season is still young you never know what can happen.

GoCards
09-26-2011, 02:16 PM
Who is talking about Harlingen being in the Title game? Maybe some saying they want that and are aiming for that, but who isn't? ... and I have seen plenty of games past the 3rd round and outside of the Valley. I don't even live in the Valley anymore. I live in SA. lol My point was you can't underestimate your opponents and the water pistol comment was a total exaggeration. I know 31-5a is down supposedly this season, but the season is still young you never know what can happen.

Ok. Would you go for nerf guns? I'm done on this. ;)

TrinityTrojan299
09-26-2011, 02:36 PM
Glad to see Heritage move up in the rankings, even with the loss. They are a top 10 team IMHO, and will not lose again.

Happy, but surprised we stayed ahead of Desoto. I thought they might switch places with us.

TrinityTrojan299
09-26-2011, 02:37 PM
I'm not fully convinced by anyone not named Allen or DeSoto at this point. I haven't seen Trinity.


Any plans to come see us play? Would like to hear your thoughts on how we look.

gruey
09-26-2011, 03:01 PM
Ok. Would you go for nerf guns? I'm done on this. ;)

Alrighty then. lol :rolleyes:

KT2000
09-26-2011, 03:04 PM
Any plans to come see us play? Would like to hear your thoughts on how we look.

I won't get to see Trinity before the playoffs (unless I see some game film- not likely). I'd certainly have an eye on Round 2 if "it" happens.

Rad Thibodeaux
09-26-2011, 04:22 PM
I won't get to see Trinity before the playoffs (unless I see some game film- not likely). I'd certainly have an eye on Round 2 if "it" happens.

If a Trinity-Allen game happens in round 2, I think it will be more hype than anything. Based on watching both Trinity in Abilene in consecutive weeks, I would definitely give a huge edge to Allen. I know that both teams didn't show their full arsenal in the games I saw but I do not think Trinity or anybody will run the football against this front 7 for Allen. The Trinity OLine will struggle to get any kind of ground game established against the Allen front and unless Trinity comes out with some success throwing the ball, I just do not see them scoring that much on Allen. From what I saw, Trinity isn't strong enough in the passing department to test the Allen secondary like Allen will be able to do to Trinity and the one thing that Trinity has been vulnerable to in past years is the pass. Allen has a Line and QB that will allow time to throw and pick apart a soft zone defense. Let's not even get into the Allen OLine who has the best OLine I have seen since 2005 Carroll.

While not popular and many will say trolling and trying to start crap, I think Allen will beat Trinity by 21+ in round 2. The true showdown IMO will be Allen vs DeSoto in the semis.

HarlingenCardinals
09-26-2011, 07:21 PM
Who is talking about Harlingen being in the Title game? Maybe some saying they want that and are aiming for that, but who isn't? ... and I have seen plenty of games past the 3rd round and outside of the Valley. I don't even live in the Valley anymore. I live in SA. lol My point was you can't underestimate your opponents and the water pistol comment was a total exaggeration. I know 31-5a is down supposedly this season, but the season is still young you never know what can happen.

GoCards is right 315A is a creampuff district this year and if the Cardinals live up to their top 25 ranking they will wipe that district clean. If they have troubles with any of those teams they don't deserve to be in the top 25.

gruey
09-26-2011, 07:31 PM
GoCards is right 315A is a creampuff district this year and if the Cardinals live up to their top 25 ranking they will wipe that district clean. If they have troubles with any of those teams they don't deserve to be in the top 25.

My point was don't underestimate your opponents. I know the kids don't. You never know what can happen. What if another team starts clicking and gets hot? What if another has injuries? What if they turn out to be better on the field than on paper? If we don't want to be underestimated then why would we be so arrogant to underestimate anyone else? Anything can happen. Always respect your opponents period.

HarlingenCardinals
09-26-2011, 08:32 PM
My point was don't underestimate your opponents. I know the kids don't. You never know what can happen. What if another team starts clicking and gets hot? What if another has injuries? What if they turn out to be better on the field than on paper? If we don't want to be underestimated then why would we be so arrogant to underestimate anyone else? Anything can happen. Always respect your opponents period.

I agree but this thread is TOP 25 IN THE STATE. If Harlingen rightly belongs there then they will have no problems with district 315A teams and neither would any of the other teams in this poll. It has nothing to do with lack of respect and I agree with what you are saying.

KT2000
09-27-2011, 11:21 AM
If a Trinity-Allen game happens in round 2, I think it will be more hype than anything. Based on watching both Trinity in Abilene in consecutive weeks, I would definitely give a huge edge to Allen. I know that both teams didn't show their full arsenal in the games I saw but I do not think Trinity or anybody will run the football against this front 7 for Allen. The Trinity OLine will struggle to get any kind of ground game established against the Allen front and unless Trinity comes out with some success throwing the ball, I just do not see them scoring that much on Allen. From what I saw, Trinity isn't strong enough in the passing department to test the Allen secondary like Allen will be able to do to Trinity and the one thing that Trinity has been vulnerable to in past years is the pass. Allen has a Line and QB that will allow time to throw and pick apart a soft zone defense. Let's not even get into the Allen OLine who has the best OLine I have seen since 2005 Carroll.

While not popular and many will say trolling and trying to start crap, I think Allen will beat Trinity by 21+ in round 2. The true showdown IMO will be Allen vs DeSoto in the semis.

I thought that might be the case based on what I've seen on paper. I don't see how a run heavy team is going to take this Allen bunch down unless they have an OL and backfield loaded with freaks of nature.

This Allen team is the closest thing I've seen to 05 Carroll.

Rad Thibodeaux
09-27-2011, 04:12 PM
I thought that might be the case based on what I've seen on paper. I don't see how a run heavy team is going to take this Allen bunch down unless they have an OL and backfield loaded with freaks of nature.

This Allen team is the closest thing I've seen to 05 Carroll.

The DMN alluded to this a few weeks ago but it will be a shame if in round 2 we can not get Allen-Trinity and DeSoto-Skyline at the same place. If those two games are at separate venues I would be really tempted to skip the Allen-Trinity game to go see the DeSoto-Skyline game since I think that will be a lot better football game. All depends who will be playing that Saturday at Cowboys Stadium.

I won't compare Allen to '05 Carroll yet but so far I have loved what I have seen out of them. A truly special team with the best offensive line this state has seen in the last 6 years and one of the best front 7's this state has seen since '03 Shore.

BroncoDad11
09-27-2011, 08:33 PM
My guess is that statistically speaking Harlingen is a better football team than Brandeis and until they play each other it will probably be the case.


You're probably right with your first assessment about the stats, but Harlingen will be seated as Division I so we'll never know if the stats were right or wrong. Stevens can prove that again for us. Another reason that they're getting all this hoopla is because they beat Abilene a couple of weeks ago. However, before and after that anomaly, they really hadn't played any teams of any consequence.

BroncoDad11
09-27-2011, 08:51 PM
... because Harlingen is a very good team! Maybe you need to look at a team as a team and not base things solely on where they are from. There are very good and very bad teams in every part of this state. I'm from Harlingen and live in SA now, and my son played for the Cards. I've seen Brandeis and many other SA schools. I even did the play by play from the pressbox for ya'lls third round playoff game from the Alamodome. Yes ya'll are good, but not just because you are from SA.... just like Harlingen isn't weak because they are from the Valley. We'll see who is better if we ever meet. Until then it is what it is. I've seen Harlingen be underrated though since I went there back in the 80s. They have been getting better and better though. Coach Gomez is good for those kids. He gets them to produce and believe way above even their own expectations. He has them believing they can do anything if they put in the hard work and execute, and not to think they can't just because they are from the Valley.


Hold on Gruey, don't get all bent out of shape because M3B might have had a lapse in his choice of words, but over the years the Valley hasn't produce any teams that anyone could write home about. My heart bleeds as I mention this fact because I happen to be from the Valley myself and, I would love for Harlingen to be the Real Deal this year for El Valle. At any rate, since my son plays for the Brandeis Broncos, I'm with M3B. I don't think that they should be moved ahead of the Broncs simply because they beat a young Abilene team by what a point in overtime. Anyway, it don't make no le hace because we won't ever meet them in the playoffs, but maybe Stevens will and prove everything for us.

Fleeman93
09-27-2011, 08:57 PM
Hold on Gruey, don't get all bent out of shape because M3B might have had a lapse in his choice of words, but over the years the Valley hasn't produce any teams that anyone could write home about. My heart bleeds as I mention this fact because I happen to be from the Valley myself and, I would love for Harlingen to be the Real Deal this year for El Valle. At any rate, since my son plays for the Brandeis Broncos, I'm with M3B. I don't think that they should be moved ahead of the Broncs simply because they beat a young Abilene team by what a point in overtime. Anyway, it don't make no le hace because we won't ever meet them in the playoffs, but maybe Stevens will and prove everything for us.

Don't see either team making out of R4.

BroncoDad11
09-27-2011, 09:06 PM
If Keenum is out for the season, Brandeis shouldn't even be in the top 50.

I have seen both teams play and I don't think Brandeis' D would be able to contain one of the top offenses in the state. Harlingen deserves to be ranked higher than Brandeis.

Just because we lost the QB doesn't mean that we're all out of talent within our ranks. We still have plenty of talent and great coaches that are making the adjustments necessary to continue in our journey toward the playoffs. However, like I mentioned in some other posts, it don't make a hill of beans if the Cards are ranked ahead of the Broncs because both are in different dividions and won't play each other. Having said that, it'll be for Stevens or Clark to prove if the Cards are the Real Deal. Like Fleeman said they were statistically ranked there and, having beat Abilene had alot to do with that; However, aside from that young team, the Cards haven't really been challenged. So, untill then, they should have remained at the 25th. slot untill perhaps the playoffs where they could prove themselves with more challenging opponents.

BroncoDad11
09-27-2011, 09:12 PM
I can agree with you my3boys, not even knowing what Brandeis has to offer. Hgn should stay near the tail end of this silly thing because their schedule is creampuff till the playoffs (probably 3rd round). I guess the only positive Hgn will have through district is that everyone wants to beat a ranked/hyped team, which means Hgn should get everyone's best shot. Problem is, a lot of those shots will be with water pistols, I hate to say. :D


Wonderful assessment. You must have read my response to Vergon because we basically say the same thing. Incidently, I'm rooting for the Broncs but, I hope the Cards go far into the playoffs in D1.

BroncoDad11
09-27-2011, 09:20 PM
Seriously... water pistols? lol That is a bit of an exaggeration. If you are truly a Cardinal fan.... which I am not quite sure of... you know good and well there are teams in 31-5A that are better than that. Yes Harlingen is better than them, but you know they come out gunning for them and are quite capable of taking Harlingen down if Harlingen lets up. Edinburg, PSJA, PSJA N, PSJA Memorial, and Harlingen South all want Harlingen bad, and it's a good possibility it could happen. Those teams ALWAYS play their best games against Harlingen, and some wouldn't care if they lost all season and the only win they had was against the Cardinals. You ALWAYS have to respect your opponent no matter who they are.


Gruey, I agree that anything can happen on any given day but, speaking in probabilities what are the odds that it will. No, I believe that we'll have to wait for the playoffs to see if Harlingen can muster what it'll take to beat a team like Judson who's ranked like what 11th. in the state.

TrinityTrojan299
09-27-2011, 09:29 PM
If a Trinity-Allen game happens in round 2, I think it will be more hype than anything. Based on watching both Trinity in Abilene in consecutive weeks, I would definitely give a huge edge to Allen. I know that both teams didn't show their full arsenal in the games I saw but I do not think Trinity or anybody will run the football against this front 7 for Allen. The Trinity OLine will struggle to get any kind of ground game established against the Allen front and unless Trinity comes out with some success throwing the ball, I just do not see them scoring that much on Allen. From what I saw, Trinity isn't strong enough in the passing department to test the Allen secondary like Allen will be able to do to Trinity and the one thing that Trinity has been vulnerable to in past years is the pass. Allen has a Line and QB that will allow time to throw and pick apart a soft zone defense. Let's not even get into the Allen OLine who has the best OLine I have seen since 2005 Carroll.

While not popular and many will say trolling and trying to start crap, I think Allen will beat Trinity by 21+ in round 2. The true showdown IMO will be Allen vs DeSoto in the semis.


Who would say such a thing???:D

I see where you are coming from, and you make some valid points. Allen is a good team, no question, and Trinity has some things to work on to get better and be competitive in the PO's.

The only comparison that could be made this early is Abilene and Longview. Trinity beat AHS by 17, and Allen beat LV by 19. LV and Abilene played a close game, LV winning by 7. Its a stretch I know, but I think a ET/Allen game may be a little closer than 21+ for Allen.

+20 tops :D

gruey
09-27-2011, 09:29 PM
Gruey, I agree that anything can happen on any given day but, speaking in probabilities what are the odds that it will. No, I believe that we'll have to wait for the playoffs to see if Harlingen can muster what it'll take to beat a team like Judson who's ranked like what 11th. in the state.

Ok. I wasn't talking about Judson though. lol I was talking about our own district. Just don't like it when people act like we are unbeatable. No one is unbeatable. You can't think like you are, or you'll become complacent. (Yeah probably spelled that wrong didn't feel like checkin'. lol) You have to take one game at a time and respect every opponent. ... and what are the odds? Come on how many thought we wouldn't be able to hang against Abiline? Same thing with our district. The odds are in our favor of course, but nothing is guaranteed.

BroncoDad11
09-27-2011, 09:33 PM
Thank you for basically supporting what I stated about everyone taking their best shot, always playing their best games against Hgn, wanting Hgn bad, wouldn't care if they lost all season and just beat Hgn, etc. etc. Of course Hgn can lose, but I don't see a contender in 31-5a, in fact, it's a down year across the board for this district, excepting Hgn. Does being a fan of the Cardinals for 50 years (and not since birth) qualify me as truly being a Card fan? I've seen enough to become realistic, taking things a game at a time. When I read the valley forums, with people talking about Hgn being in the title game, I know those posters have not seen playoff football beyond the 3rd round. I have attended qtr, semi, and title games for a long time, starting with the '63 PSJA game against Corsicana. I guess you are only contending with my "water pistol" comment, and I am sticking with it. Come join me in the real world. ;)


Hey GoCards, I'm with you (in the Real World). I'm a Grehound from San Benito and, I remember when the Hounds were a powerhouse in 16-3A back in 1962 & 63. They went all the way to Semis and lost to a Nederland Bulldog team coached by none other than Bum Phillips. You got it the Houston Oilers coach. There's Donna who took a State Title I believe in 1960 playing 2A football. Then, in 1963, the PSJA Mighty Midgets with QB Poppy Rodriguez beat San Benito on penetrations (score was 0-0). Those were the good ole days, right?

BroncoDad11
09-27-2011, 09:36 PM
Ok. Would you go for nerf guns? I'm done on this. ;)


LMAO.:heli::heli::heli::heli:

gruey
09-27-2011, 09:38 PM
Hey GoCards, I'm with you (in the Real World). I'm a Grehound from San Benito and, I remember when the Hounds were a powerhouse in 16-3A back in 1962 & 63. They went all the way to Semis and lost to a Nederland Bulldog team coached by none other than Bum Phillips. You got it the Houston Oilers coach. There's Donna who took a State Title I believe in 1960 playing 2A football. Then, in 1963, the PSJA Mighty Midgets with QB Poppy Rodriguez beat San Benito on penetrations (score was 0-0). Those were the good ole days, right?

Oh... now I see the problem. You're a stinking San Benito Greyhound! lol J/K Oh how the Cards and Greypups love each other though. lol :laugh

BroncoDad11
09-27-2011, 09:41 PM
GoCards is right 315A is a creampuff district this year and if the Cardinals live up to their top 25 ranking they will wipe that district clean. If they have troubles with any of those teams they don't deserve to be in the top 25.


I'm with you HCardinals & GCards. I hope they go far, but as of now it's a wait and see, one game at a time and wait for the real contests in the playoffs. There's where the boys are separated from the men.

BroncoDad11
09-27-2011, 09:46 PM
My point was don't underestimate your opponents. I know the kids don't. You never know what can happen. What if another team starts clicking and gets hot? What if another has injuries? What if they turn out to be better on the field than on paper? If we don't want to be underestimated then why would we be so arrogant to underestimate anyone else? Anything can happen. Always respect your opponents period.


Too many if's, Gruey. If my aunt had gonads she'd be my uncle but, the fact remains like GoCards said 31-5A is a Creampuffs. We won't know what Harlingen is really made out of untill the platoffs (perhaps 3rd. round).

gruey
09-27-2011, 09:51 PM
Too many if's, Gruey. If my aunt had gonads she'd be my uncle but, the fact remains like GoCards said 31-5A is a Creampuffs. We won't know what Harlingen is really made out of untill the platoffs (perhaps 3rd. round).

Yes, I know no one will be able to "really know" what Harlingen is made of until the playoffs. That goes without saying. It's always that way so nothing new. My point was I don't care how good you are... there is still no guarantee you'll come out of district undefeated even if they are "creampuffs". What are they going to do? Forfeit the game when we walk on the field just because we are Harlingen? Yes we should beat everyone in our district quite easily, but we have a target on our backs. Every team wants to be the one to bring down the Cards and prevent them from a 3rd straight undefeated season. The Cards are the team that most of the Valley loves to hate.

BroncoDad11
09-27-2011, 09:51 PM
Don't see either team making out of R4.


:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy

BroncoDad11
09-27-2011, 10:02 PM
Ok. I wasn't talking about Judson though. lol I was talking about our own district. Just don't like it when people act like we are unbeatable. No one is unbeatable. You can't think like you are, or you'll become complacent. (Yeah probably spelled that wrong didn't feel like checkin'. lol) You have to take one game at a time and respect every opponent. ... and what are the odds? Come on how many thought we wouldn't be able to hang against Abiline? Same thing with our district. The odds are in our favor of course, but nothing is guaranteed.


Gruey, come on! It's my understanding that Abilene had a very young team (Sophs & Jrs.) vs an older team (plenty of men on their roster) like the Cards. The fact that you were able to hang with them and defeat them (by what one point) speaks volumes for Abilene. LMAO. :heli:

GoCards
09-27-2011, 10:35 PM
Hey GoCards, I'm with you (in the Real World). I'm a Grehound from San Benito and, I remember when the Hounds were a powerhouse in 16-3A back in 1962 & 63. They went all the way to Semis and lost to a Nederland Bulldog team coached by none other than Bum Phillips. You got it the Houston Oilers coach. There's Donna who took a State Title I believe in 1960 playing 2A football. Then, in 1963, the PSJA Mighty Midgets with QB Poppy Rodriguez beat San Benito on penetrations (score was 0-0). Those were the good ole days, right?

Donna's state title was in '61, and PSJA went to the title game in '62 and '63. In '62 they lost to Dumas 14-3, and in '63 to Corsicana 7-0. That was a defensive battle in which Corsicana scored on a fake field goal. There were some good ole days cept that only one team went into the post season. But they should have stopped at two - four teams per district in the playoffs is just a UIL scam to make money. ;)

gruey
09-28-2011, 06:14 AM
Gruey, come on! It's my understanding that Abilene had a very young team (Sophs & Jrs.) vs an older team (plenty of men on their roster) like the Cards. The fact that you were able to hang with them and defeat them (by what one point) speaks volumes for Abilene. LMAO. :heli:
... and once against missed the entire point! lol By the way Harlingen has a lot of Jrs and Sophs also. lol

BroncoDad11
09-28-2011, 04:29 PM
Oh... now I see the problem. You're a stinking San Benito Greyhound! lol J/K Oh how the Cards and Greypups love each other though. lol :laugh


As Johnny Canales says, "You got it. Take it away." Seriously, I hope for Harlingen or Sharyland to be able to take it to the next level, but it could be an uphill battle. And, playing in a CreamPuff district (GoCards words), may not help in getting ready for the South Central Texas boys. Right?

BroncoDad11
09-28-2011, 04:37 PM
Yes, I know no one will be able to "really know" what Harlingen is made of until the playoffs. That goes without saying. It's always that way so nothing new. My point was I don't care how good you are... there is still no guarantee you'll come out of district undefeated even if they are "creampuffs". What are they going to do? Forfeit the game when we walk on the field just because we are Harlingen? Yes we should beat everyone in our district quite easily, but we have a target on our backs. Every team wants to be the one to bring down the Cards and prevent them from a 3rd straight undefeated season. The Cards are the team that most of the Valley loves to hate.


I see where you're coming from, but realistically, unless the Cards lose a whole mess of players to some supernatural catastrophe, I don't see anyone messing their standings in their district. Vamos a hablar de algo mas because we've beaten this pony to death.

BroncoDad11
09-28-2011, 04:44 PM
Donna's state title was in '61, and PSJA went to the title game in '62 and '63. In '62 they lost to Dumas 14-3, and in '63 to Corsicana 7-0. That was a defensive battle in which Corsicana scored on a fake field goal. There were some good ole days cept that only one team went into the post season. But they should have stopped at two - four teams per district in the playoffs is just a UIL scam to make money. ;)


Hate to disagree, but it was Nederland that beat San Benito in the semis in '62 and lost the following week to the Dumas team. That year PSJA lost to SB. I agree that they should have kept the playoffs how they were. Good Ole days. Orale.

BroncoDad11
09-28-2011, 04:46 PM
... and once against missed the entire point! lol By the way Harlingen has a lot of Jrs and Sophs also. lol


Not on the starting roster, maybe 2nd./3rd. team.

GoCards
09-28-2011, 05:47 PM
Hate to disagree, but it was Nederland that beat San Benito in the semis in '62 and lost the following week to the Dumas team. That year PSJA lost to SB. I agree that they should have kept the playoffs how they were. Good Ole days. Orale.

Per the team histories sticky noted, San Benito did lose to Nederland 22-15, but it was in '61. Also, PSJA had back to back title games in '62 and '63. These were all in 3A, the largest classification back then. Donna was 2A when they won it all.

gruey
09-28-2011, 07:01 PM
Not on the starting roster, maybe 2nd./3rd. team.

There are some that are starters also. Off the top of my head there is Omar Hunter. He's a junior. I know there are more, but I don't know a lot of the underclassmen this year on the team since my son transferred to Rio Hondo.

BroncoDad11
09-29-2011, 09:13 PM
Per the team histories sticky noted, San Benito did lose to Nederland 22-15, but it was in '61. Also, PSJA had back to back title games in '62 and '63. These were all in 3A, the largest classification back then. Donna was 2A when they won it all.


Histories could be right, but my memory goes with '62. I was at the game and we were tied all the way to the bitter end. The Hounds were set to win by penetrtions. With seconds left, S.B. had the ball, but Jim Helms our halfback fumbled and the Bulldogs picked it up and ran for TD. Also, in those days Brownsville, Harlingen, Edinburg, and McAllen were 4A schools.

BroncoDad11
09-29-2011, 09:17 PM
There are some that are starters also. Off the top of my head there is Omar Hunter. He's a junior. I know there are more, but I don't know a lot of the underclassmen this year on the team since my son transferred to Rio Hondo.


Go Bobcats. How's Rio Hondo doing this year?