25-5a?

[SeguinMatadors]

Any 25 5a fans on here other than me? I know there is a Westlake fan out there. Is there going to be more when football season starts?:confused:

[lonny23]

Any 25 5a fans on here other than me? I know there is a Westlake fan out there. Is there going to be more when football season starts?:confused:
There's another Seguin fan and I'm sure a few of us 26-5A guys will check in...and espouse our dominance!:p

I think I've seen a few Austin Bowie fans and I know there's a San Marcos fan out there. Westlake has several fans.

[Mad Hatter]

south austin football isnt big on these forums for some reason.

[bowiedawgs01]

I'm a Dawgs fan. I'll be here to talk crap if we're any good this year. :D

[SeguinMatadors]

I'm a Dawgs fan. I'll be here to talk crap if we're any good this year. :D

lol... well, you won't be talking crap to me after our game. Good to see you around. How are the puppies looking next year?

[SeguinMatadors]

south austin football isnt big on these forums for some reason.

That will be pretty upsetting. I want to talk football with those who know their teams best. At least last year in 25 we had allof the Clemens fans.... they grew on me.. good guys.

[lonny23]

That will be pretty upsetting. I want to talk football with those who know their teams best. At least last year in 25 we had allof the Clemens fans.... they grew on me.. good guys.
Now if these Seguin guys can grow on me!:p

It will be like always. You'll see some new posters in 25-5A to start the year and you'll see a lot more for the teams that make the playoffs. You'll have to get a lot of your info from San Marcos and Westlake.

[lonny23]

lol... well, you won't be talking crap to me after our game. Good to see you around. How are the puppies looking next year?
I don't know. Bowie has had some pretty good teams. They had a real good team in 2002.

[bowiedawgs01]

We've had a lot of good teams. Just had to play Judson in the first round all the time. I'm not sure what we've got coming back this year. I know we've got a couple good running backs and our defense is always solid.

I know we owned Seguin when y'all used to be in our district. Here's to a repeat performance! :D

[bowiedawgs01]

BTW, what happened to Sequin when they switched districts a couple years ago? Did they change coaches? Because I remember they were the worst team in our district just before the switch to 26-5A. I lost track of them after they left and just noticed them winning more.

I remember when their band won some Austin competition and they were going crazy because it was the only thing the entire school had won in about 3 years. This was around 2003.

[lonny23]

BTW, what happened to Sequin when they switched districts a couple years ago? Did they change coaches? Because I remember they were the worst team in our district just before the switch to 26-5A. I lost track of them after they left and just noticed them winning more.

I remember when their band won some Austin competition and they were going crazy because it was the only thing the entire school had won in about 3 years. This was around 2003.
They hired Jim Carson, who used to be at Odessa, and he's improved the program.

I think getting rid of Bubbacoach helped, too!:p

[bubbacoach]

I was long gone before he ever arrived. I had a ring before he ever arrived. I remember beating a very good Bowie team in the first round that year(overtime at Hayes). Seguin got better because they were stuck in district full of pantywaist.

[SeguinMatadors]

BTW, what happened to Sequin when they switched districts a couple years ago? Did they change coaches? Because I remember they were the worst team in our district just before the switch to 26-5A. I lost track of them after they left and just noticed them winning more.

I remember when their band won some Austin competition and they were going crazy because it was the only thing the entire school had won in about 3 years. This was around 2003.

The last year we were in the Austin distirct was Coach Carsons first year. I do not remember if any of you remember that year but we showed great improvement in one year.... we didn't win but two district games but we lost a ton of close games.... we took Westlake to the wire and even had a fieldgoal lead going into the 4th quarter, I believe.

The next year we switched district and the competition wasn't as good but we were still much improved. That year we beat San Marcos at home, the previous district champs, and almost beat Clemens and won the district championship.

I think last year I seen overall improvement and this upcoming years team will probably be the best team we have ever fielded.

[SeguinMatadors]

I was long gone before he ever arrived. I had a ring before he ever arrived. I remember beating a very good Bowie team in the first round that year(overtime at Hayes). Seguin got better because they were stuck in district full of pantywaist.

Oh okay, I guess it has nothing to do with coach Carson and Hartman and their coaching:rolleyes:... my bad I thought that had something to do with it.

[SeguinMatadors]

A little about the Mats:

Over the last couple of years, our defense has carried us. The 26 guys wont admit to this and will attribute it to a sub-par district, but I have seen teams play, and our defense has been consistently one the best and hardest hitting defenses year in and year out; Top 3 in the area good. Next year, I think we will field our most talented defense yet..... a great player at all 3 levels. We have the only first team all area defenders from the Express News all area team returning, a linebacker and a corner. We have a d-end that is a freak of nature. Our linebacking core is going to be stacked and our defense of line is going to be good. Our secondary is going to be damn good, too. It will be a fast defense that swarms to the ball.

Our offense has been sup-par over the past couple but I think we are finally going to have the talent needed to be succesful this year... I pretty stoked about the offense this year and like I said in another post, I expect it to go from bad to very very good..... here is a breakdown I gave in another thread.

Our all state cornernback, Desmond Jackson, is playing both ways for us next year. He will be playing corner and qaurterback. He is 6'1-190 lbs and probably the best athlete in the area coming into his Senior year.... maybe the best overall player (Minus Fanuzzi, maybe... who knows with the injuries) returning in the SA area. The kid is as fast and athletic as anyone I have seen... think James Henry type sprinting speed but I think he has more shifty-ness. I don't know how he will run the quarterback and the offense but I know he can throw hard, far, and accurate (pick up games) and with his athletism I know he will be able to make plays on his legs.

At Running back we are returning a 1,000 yard rusher. He has a pretty nice year last year and the extra year of experience and practice will only make him better.

Reciever is the posistion that really has me excited this year. Calvin Caad is our returning big time reciever, he had 10 td catches last year and is very fast and athletic with good size at 6'1 175. We have another big reciever named Dexter... he is 6'4... not a lot of speed but he is big with nice hands and can go up and get the ball. The huge addition we add is Michael Martin. He is our standout basketball player who gave up football after his freshman year to play basketball.... he recently decided to play football again and the guy is 6'6 210 with sprinters speed and very good jumping ability (see below link).He used to make a ton of great catches as a freshman and has always had good hands and cordonation. http://sasports.com/images/variouspics/seguinmartin.jpg This is a picture of him dunking as a sophmore two years ago... imagine this on the football field.

[bubbacoach]

Oh okay, I guess it has nothing to do with coach Carson and Hartman and their coaching:rolleyes:... my bad I thought that had something to do with it.
A little, but at the same time what did ya'll do in the first round both years against the third place team out of 26-5A. The competition level had alot to do with it. You would not have made the playoffs either year in 26-5A. (Nor would any one in that district.) You do not have to agree, but know it is fact.

[lonny23]

I was long gone before he ever arrived. I had a ring before he ever arrived. I remember beating a very good Bowie team in the first round that year(overtime at Hayes). Seguin got better because they were stuck in district full of pantywaist.
I know Bubba. I just wanted to pull your chain. That game at Hays was extremely cold, too. Judson was fortunate to win that game on their way to a title.

Yes, Seguin looked better because they were playing pitiful teams, but they were still better than before.

[lonny23]

The last year we were in the Austin distirct was Coach Carsons first year. I do not remember if any of you remember that year but we showed great improvement in one year.... we didn't win but two district games but we lost a ton of close games.... we took Westlake to the wire and even had a fieldgoal lead going into the 4th quarter, I believe.

The next year we switched district and the competition wasn't as good but we were still much improved. That year we beat San Marcos at home, the previous district champs, and almost beat Clemens and won the district championship.

I think last year I seen overall improvement and this upcoming years team will probably be the best team we have ever fielded.
I was shocked when you guys took Westlake to the wire. That was the 6-4 Westlake team in 2003 that lost to North Shore in the semis and probably got that far only because ol' boy from Madison got hurt.

[lonny23]

A little about the Mats:

Over the last couple of years, our defense has carried us. The 26 guys wont admit to this and will attribute it to a sub-par district, but I have seen teams play, and our defense has been consistently one the best and hardest hitting defenses year in and year out; Top 3 in the area good. Next year, I think we will field our most talented defense yet..... a great player at all 3 levels. We have the only first team all area defenders from the Express News all area team returning, a linebacker and a corner. We have a d-end that is a freak of nature. Our linebacking core is going to be stacked and our defense of line is going to be good. Our secondary is going to be damn good, too. It will be a fast defense that swarms to the ball.

Our offense has been sup-par over the past couple but I think we are finally going to have the talent needed to be succesful this year... I pretty stoked about the offense this year and like I said in another post, I expect it to go from bad to very very good..... here is a breakdown I gave in another thread.

Our all state cornernback, Desmond Jackson, is playing both ways for us next year. He will be playing corner and qaurterback. He is 6'1-190 lbs and probably the best athlete in the area coming into his Senior year.... maybe the best overall player (Minus Fanuzzi, maybe... who knows with the injuries) returning in the SA area. The kid is as fast and athletic as anyone I have seen... think James Henry type sprinting speed but I think he has more shifty-ness. I don't know how he will run the quarterback and the offense but I know he can throw hard, far, and accurate (pick up games) and with his athletism I know he will be able to make plays on his legs.

At Running back we are returning a 1,000 yard rusher. He has a pretty nice year last year and the extra year of experience and practice will only make him better.

Reciever is the posistion that really has me excited this year. Calvin Caad is our returning big time reciever, he had 10 td catches last year and is very fast and athletic with good size at 6'1 175. We have another big reciever named Dexter... he is 6'4... not a lot of speed but he is big with nice hands and can go up and get the ball. The huge addition we add is Michael Martin. He is our standout basketball player who gave up football after his freshman year to play basketball.... he recently decided to play football again and the guy is 6'6 210 with sprinters speed and very good jumping ability (see below link).He used to make a ton of great catches as a freshman and has always had good hands and cordonation. http://sasports.com/images/variouspics/seguinmartin.jpg This is a picture of him dunking as a sophmore two years ago... imagine this on the football field.
We admitted you had a good defense, but it was not Top 3 good last year. You can't claim status like that playing chump offenses. Judson and SV had a better defense and so did Clemens.

[lonny23]

A little, but at the same time what did ya'll do in the first round both years against the third place team out of 26-5A. The competition level had alot to do with it. You would not have made the playoffs either year in 26-5A. (Nor would any one in that district.) You do not have to agree, but know it is fact.
Clemens could've potentially made the playoffs both years, Seguin would not, and I doubt San Marcos would've.

[bubbacoach]

Clemens could've potentially made the playoffs both years, Seguin would not, and I doubt San Marcos would've.
What were the results of Clemens two playoff games against 26-5A. I believe in one they did not get a first down and the second they got it handed to them.

[SeguinMatadors]

We admitted you had a good defense, but it was not Top 3 good last year. You can't claim status like that playing chump offenses. Judson and SV had a better defense and so did Clemens.

Clemens defense was not better than Seguins last year... their offense was. Come on now, you didn't see ANY of those teams play.

[SeguinMatadors]

A little, but at the same time what did ya'll do in the first round both years against the third place team out of 26-5A. The competition level had alot to do with it. You would not have made the playoffs either year in 26-5A. (Nor would any one in that district.) You do not have to agree, but know it is fact.

That isn't fact at all...Sorry but Madison lost to San Marcos last year... if San Marcos would have played in that district they would have made the playoffs.

[SeguinMatadors]

Clemens could've potentially made the playoffs both years, Seguin would not, and I doubt San Marcos would've.

You put Clemens, San Marcos, or Seguin in that district and let them play the week to week battles that improve you.... you do not know how good they would have gotten. San Marcos started out the season as a better team than Madison last year and they proved that by beating them... if they played the same schedule as Madison... Judson would have been on the outside looking in.

[bubbacoach]

San Marcos had more returning than Madison. Madison continued to get better as the season went on and San Marcos did not. Might we say coaching?

[SeguinMatadors]

San Marcos had more returning than Madison. Madison continued to get better as the season went on and San Marcos did not. Might we say coaching?

Oh, so coaching is the reason for improvement when it is beneficial to your arguement?:confused: :rolleyes: lol

Or, we might say it had something to do with a more competitive district that improves you week in and week out? I think anyone will agree that playing inferrior teams will stunt your development as a team.

[bubbacoach]

Oh, so coaching is the reason for improvement when it is beneficial to your arguement?:confused: :rolleyes: lol

Or, we might say it had something to do with a more competitive district that improves you week in and week out? I think anyone will agree that playing inferrior teams will stunt your development as a team.
Lee does not get better week in and week out. Highlands, Southwest, MacArthur to name a few have been teams that have stayed the same or gotten worse as the season went on. Why? There are teams from both districts I named.

[SeguinMatadors]

Lee does not get better week in and week out. Highlands, Southwest, MacArthur to name a few have been teams that have stayed the same or gotten worse as the season went on. Why? There are teams from both districts I named.

Lee is pathetic and has no talent or athletes... they couldn't beat Madison in week 1 or week 10. That is irrelevant.

[SeguinMatadors]

Lee is pathetic and has no talent or athletes... they couldn't beat Madison in week 1 or week 10. That is irrelevant.

Good competition makes good teams better. Bad teams just get beat and demoralized by good competition.

[lonny23]

What were the results of Clemens two playoff games against 26-5A. I believe in one they did not get a first down and the second they got it handed to them.
I believe I made Texas Headliner so mad in one that he moved!:p I stayed for the whole game to see Judson win 31-0, and give up zero first downs and 32 yards.

Madison blew Clemens out and would've won even if James Henry had played. It was worse than if he played, but they were destined to get beat.

[lonny23]

Clemens defense was not better than Seguins last year... their offense was. Come on now, you didn't see ANY of those teams play.
Clemens defense put up better numbers across the board. It was close, but they gave up less points.
http://www.texasfootballratings.com/2005SchedWkly5ADist25.html

[SeguinMatadors]

Clemens defense put up better numbers across the board. It was close, but they gave up less points.
http://www.texasfootballratings.com/2005SchedWkly5ADist25.html

Wouldn't you agree that in football a good consistent offense will help leads to better numbers on defense? A better offense can keep the ball on the field and the defense off the field.

[RATTLERS316]

im still here...just havent had much time to post lately:rolleyes:

[bowiedawgs01]

I have no idea what all that crap was about. I guess it would help if I had a little background on the people arguing.

[lonny23]

Wouldn't you agree that in football a good consistent offense will help leads to better numbers on defense? A better offense can keep the ball on the field and the defense off the field.
Yes, that's true. Judson's defense was better than their putrid offense allowed last year.

[lonny23]

I have no idea what all that crap was about. I guess it would help if I had a little background on the people arguing.
We're talking about if Seguin had one of the 3 best defenses in San Antonio last year and if any of the 25-5A playoff teams (Clemens, San Marcos, Seguin) could've made the playoffs if they were in 26-5A last year. 26-5A won all 6 playoff games vs. 25-5A the last 2 years and won 5 of the 6 games vs. 27-5A.

[badger95]

Carson came to Seguin from Midland Lee and not from Odessa.

Also, the Seguin game in 2003 vs. Westlake was a closely contested game, and had Seguin had a QB, they may have won.

Westlake's 2003 team didn't make run to the semi-finals because David Edward's broke his neck. The injury that Westlake suffered to RB Tyler Campbell was probably much more important. It forced the Chaps to throw the ball and change their offense. Teams did not expect the new pass-heavy scheme and overplayed the run due to old Westlake tendencies.

Then they ran into the North Shore buzz saw and were pummeled. :(

[lonny23]

Carson came to Seguin from Midland Lee and not from Odessa.

Also, the Seguin game in 2003 vs. Westlake was a closely contested game, and had Seguin had a QB, they may have won.

Westlake's 2003 team didn't make run to the semi-finals because David Edward's broke his neck. The injury that Westlake suffered to RB Tyler Campbell was probably much more important. It forced the Chaps to throw the ball and change their offense. Teams did not expect the new pass-heavy scheme and overplayed the run due to old Westlake tendencies.

Then they ran into the North Shore buzz saw and were pummeled. :(
Sorry about that. I knew he was in the Little SWC.

[purple_thunder]

this year seguin got blowed out by San Marcos 21-0 and last year we lost in overtime to seguin and it was in seguin and that year we lost to madison but this year we took madison and we only lost to clemons by 7 or 10 this year and are only other lose came to connaly 7 to 3 but we had key injurys that week and we beat westlake in a scrimmage 7tds to 2tds but we had jordan walker i dont know about this year we have so returning starters that where key last year dont no bout are qb spot though this year is gonna be a rebuilding year for us but coach van nest will pull something out of his bag of tricks:D

[CKE]

this year seguin got blowed out by San Marcos 21-0 and last year we lost in overtime to seguin and it was in seguin and that year we lost to madison but this year we took madison and we only lost to clemons by 7 or 10 this year and are only other lose came to connaly 7 to 3 but we had key injurys that week and we beat westlake in a scrimmage 7tds to 2tds but we had jordan walker i dont know about this year we have so returning starters that where key last year dont no bout are qb spot though this year is gonna be a rebuilding year for us but coach van nest will pull something out of his bag of tricks:D

where is this bag you speak of when he meets SV :eek: lol J/k man

[purple_thunder]

where is this bag you speak of when he meets SV :eek: lol J/k man
no in district but if we win district or get second we will probaly play sv we played them tha last two years in playoffs

[CKE]

no in district but if we win district or get second we will probaly play sv we played them tha last two years in playoffs

i know i played in 04 the yalls offense is crazy. half the time i was like WHERE THE **** IS THE BALL:mad: lol

[purple_thunder]

i know i played in 04 the yalls offense is crazy. half the time i was like WHERE THE **** IS THE BALL:mad: lolhalf tha time tha crowd doesnt know where tha ball is then you see till you see someone jolt out tha crowd and take off youll where real good that year youll went tostate right and lost by 3

[CKE]

half tha time tha crowd doesnt know where tha ball is then you see till you see someone jolt out tha crowd and take off youll where real good that year youll went tostate right and lost by 3

lol yeah we did pretty good all game then near the end one of yalls running backs took one for about 60 yards and we were all wait a tick.............. how the hell did he get all the way over there. and yeah it was a good year for us we did good until we meet those damn dragons lol J/K SLCens

[purple_thunder]

probaly alvin cannady or jordan walker so hows tha team looking this year

[CKE]

probaly alvin cannady or jordan walker so hows tha team looking this year

it had to have been cannady cause we held walker pretty good all game. and i really dont know how the team is i graduated in 05. my lil bro is the running back for them though and was the leading rusher in his sophmore year last year so all i can really say is look out for him other than that i really have no idea

[purple_thunder]

kool whos your brother

[CKE]

kool whos your brother

ever heard of a kid named rios from SV?

[purple_thunder]

yea lots so thats your bro what position did you play while you where there

[CKE]

yea lots so thats your bro what position did you play while you where there

strong safety

[purple_thunder]

kool your brother is very good talked about alot with us in tha playoffs how many td's did he score on us

[CKE]

kool your brother is very good talked about alot with us in tha playoffs how many td's did he score on us

he was hurt and really didnt get any playing time against yall

[purple_thunder]

it wouldve been a close game but fumbles plagued us 4 in a row thats what costs us and we also played jv players i dont know why but one of them costed us a fumble it wouldve been a close game it was 14 to 7 we where up till tha fumbles came

[clemensbuff]

I believe I made Texas Headliner so mad in one that he moved!:p I stayed for the whole game to see Judson win 31-0, and give up zero first downs and 32 yards.

Madison blew Clemens out and would've won even if James Henry had played. It was worse than if he played, but they were destined to get beat.

You cannot say that for a fact. James was as good a player as there was in region 4 this year and it hurt Clemens' offense tremendously when he went out. Would Madison have beaten Clemens without Caflish? I think not. He was totally dominating in that game with his arm and legs including the long KO return!

I said it then, and I'll say it now, Madison deserved to win that game. They outplayed us in every aspect of the game. Clemens did not come to play and they got their A$$E$ handed to them!

Lonnie, you are very football smart but you simply cannot back up your statement.

[bubbacoach]

Henry made a huge difference against Judson the year before.

[clemensbuff]

Henry made a huge difference against Judson the year before.

Funny!:p No R-back would have made a difference in that game. Barry Sanders wouldn't have made a damn bit of difference the way that CJ's D dominated that ball game and you know that for a fact. Judson came to play and our kids didn't and took the worst beat down that they ever have for it.

The really sad fact is that Lenhof will remember that *** whoopin forever as it was the last game that he coached!

[RATTLERS316]

im still here....:)