Best Team in Houston Area?

[brad@sunshinepreps]

Who do you guys think is the best team in the Houston Area.

[lonny23]

Who do you guys think is the best team in the Houston Area.
The Houston Texans! :D

OK, I'll go with Spring Westfield since they have a lot of guys coming back.

[bleedgreen]

Katy or Westfield----it's a toss-up......................

[KT2000]

Based on now...Westfield/Katy
Based on last four or five years collectively...Katy/North Shore hands down.

[bleedgreen]

North Shore fans please forgive me.......totally forgot about you guys???? definitely NS up there with Katy and Westfield....................

[North Shore Mustang]

No particular order:

North Shore
Katy
Westfield - newest hot team....hopefully it'll stay consistant like NS and Katy.

All great teams!

[dragonsdaddy]

it is blasphemous to say, but lamarque could arguably have been the best several years out of the last 10.

[dada]

Houston area? Hmmmm Katy, Westfield, Northshore...HISD I would have to say Westside....watch out for Hightower. Also I think Elsik will make some noise. They remind me of Florida State. They may not win or contend for a championship, but they ALWAYS reload with athletes.

[pack0808]

i think the lamarqe 03 team was right up there with northshore. it is rare you can say that a 4a team was 1st or 2nd best in the state but i think they were that good. i mean 9 div1 signees!! :eek: they were loaded!! i think they would have had the athletes to play with northshore03. i think ns would have won but it would have been close. our old 5a east texas buddy marshall beat lamarque last year in the playoffs and longview destroyed marshall last year like they usually do lately. lamarque also had some great teams when they won a bunch of titles in a row so i am sure they were one of the best in the state then.

oh best houston teams this year 1. westfield 2. katy 3. northshore

best houston teams in the last 10 years 1. katy 2. lamarque 3. ike 4. northshore

[dada]

i think the lamarqe 03 team was right up there with northshore. it is rare you can say that a 4a team was 1st or 2nd best in the state but i think they were that good. i mean 9 div1 signees!! :eek: they were loaded!! i think they would have had the athletes to play with northshore03. i think ns would have won but it would have been close. our old 5a east texas buddy marshall beat lamarque last year in the playoffs and longview destroyed marshall last year like they usually do lately. lamarque also had some great teams when they won a bunch of titles in a row so i am sure they were one of the best in the state then.

oh best houston teams this year 1. westfield 2. katy 3. northshore

best houston teams in the last 10 years 1. katy 2. lamarque 3. ike 4. northshore

Yeah Lamarque usually plays and beats houston area 5a teams...Washington comes to mind. I think Lamarque blanked Washington and Washington gave Katy trouble(For one half)..Was it Marshall that beat Lamarque last year? I remember Marshall beating Yates. If you're gonna count lamarque as a great Houston area team then you might as well say Sealy and Brookshire Royal.....Royal was awesome last year.

How is Clear Lake looking this year?

[Fleeman93]

This year it is Westfield without a doubt.

[KT2000]

Clear Lake was loaded with a senior dominated roster at many key spots, but arguably their best player...fullback Geno Blow... is back this year. Blow will need to pace the offense early while all of the new faces try and step up around him. Defensively, there are a few returners but the unit overall wasn't that strong last year so that could be a good thing depending on how you look at it.

I think the biggest loss to graduation was QB Scott Oswald. Oswald started for two or three years, and didn't make many mistakes with the ball as most option QBs are prone to do. Also, speed threat RB Elrick Jones is gone so they'll have to find another burner that can stretch defenses in addition to Blow. Blow is probably the fastest player on the team at 5'10 200 pounds with 4.40 speed.

Pearland should be considered the pre-season favorite in that district (24-5A) because they didn't lose nearly as much as Lake did.

[pack0808]

Yeah Lamarque usually plays and beats houston area 5a teams...Washington comes to mind. I think Lamarque blanked Washington and Washington gave Katy trouble(For one half)..Was it Marshall that beat Lamarque last year? I remember Marshall beating Yates. If you're gonna count lamarque as a great Houston area team then you might as well say Sealy and Brookshire Royal.....Royal was awesome last year.

How is Clear Lake looking this year?


you are right marshall beat yates 28-7 in the 4adiv1 playoffs last year not lamarque. marshall lost in the 4adiv1 finals to ennis 23-21. 5a garland beat ennis last year by the way

it was kilgore who beat lamarque in the playoffs last year. kilgore, another east texas team that came out of the same district as marshall won the div2 4a final last year. kilgore beat marshall 28-27 in district and 5a longview beat marshall 41-14. there was no question on who was better last year between 4a and 5a that is for sure. garland and longview did not even make it to the state semis in 5a even though longview was definitely one of the best 5a teams.

[bleedgreen]

yea, Clear Lake lost alot of players.....don't think they can reload that quick to match last year's squad, but i could be wrong..............LaMarque could beat most 5A schools in Houston, no doubt................

[dada]

Clear Lake was loaded with a senior dominated roster at many key spots, but arguably their best player...fullback Geno Blow... is back this year. Blow will need to pace the offense early while all of the new faces try and step up around him. Defensively, there are a few returners but the unit overall wasn't that strong last year so that could be a good thing depending on how you look at it.

I think the biggest loss to graduation was QB Scott Oswald. Oswald started for two or three years, and didn't make many mistakes with the ball as most option QBs are prone to do. Also, speed threat RB Elrick Jones is gone so they'll have to find another burner that can stretch defenses in addition to Blow. Blow is probably the fastest player on the team at 5'10 200 pounds with 4.40 speed.

Pearland should be considered the pre-season favorite in that district (24-5A) because they didn't lose nearly as much as Lake did.


Yeah I forgot about Blow. Pearland gave Northshore all they could handle and Whitaker(I think that's his name) is back at RB

Speaking of RB's to watch, there are two brothers at two differnet schools to watch. Jai Cavness at FB Marshall and Trevor Cavness at Elsik. I beleive they are brothers. I coached against one in little leaque(I think it was Jai) and all I can say is SPEED!....Both did well this year in track also. Speed is in their blood. Their dad Grady, was a speedster for Willowridge back in the late 80's early 90's. Look for Trevor to do for Elsik, the same things, maybe more than Morris Crosby and Mitch Odum.

[dada]

This is how bad my memory is. As I was looking through some old pictures and papers of when I coached youth football trying to see what Caveness brother I coached against...I saw a pic of my team. I noticed one player on the pic and I can't see why this never crossed my mind...this player really GREW..and recently tried out for a few NBA teams then decided to go to college to play football and basketball for A&m(or did he change his mind to LSU?) Marcellus Bennett from Alief Taylor......wow.....how did I miss that?

[nsmustang]

i think the lamarqe 03 team was right up there with northshore. it is rare you can say that a 4a team was 1st or 2nd best in the state but i think they were that good. i mean 9 div1 signees!! :eek: they were loaded!! i think they would have had the athletes to play with northshore03. i think ns would have won but it would have been close. our old 5a east texas buddy marshall beat lamarque last year in the playoffs and longview destroyed marshall last year like they usually do lately. lamarque also had some great teams when they won a bunch of titles in a row so i am sure they were one of the best in the state then.

oh best houston teams this year 1. westfield 2. katy 3. northshore

best houston teams in the last 10 years 1. katy 2. lamarque 3. ike 4. northshore

No question Lamarque had a good team that year. However, I watched them in the title game and they struggled somewhat and did not blow out the competition like I thought they should have. '03 Shore would have beat them like a stepchild......

[t00 playa]

in no particular order.......

katy
westfield
north shore
pearland

westfield deserves the preseason nod.... but should be another good season for all teams mentioned...

late

[wide-e-wide]

Depends on what weekend of the year you are talking about.
If it is a weekend that Lufkin is in town....my rankings change dramatically.

[ktCarl]

Why isn't the Woodlands considered in this thread for this season?

[LeanderLions3033]

^^Because The Woodlands, other than that state championship year where they lost to North Shore, havent been on the same level as Katy, and North Shore lol. Plain and simple. Plus the loss to RR McNeil last year hurts the rep alot more than you would think IMO.

[lonny23]

^^Because The Woodlands, other than that state championship year where they lost to North Shore, havent been on the same level as Katy, and North Shore lol. Plain and simple. Plus the loss to RR McNeil last year hurts the rep alot more than you would think IMO.
North Shore has a slight advantage over The Woodlands, but neither is anywhere close to Katy over the last 10 years. 10-0 seasons and 2nd round exits don't get you a lot of credibility when you're talking about the best team in town.

[Big Daddy Cool]

So true Lonny as much as I'd like to see North Shore mentioned as one of the best in the Houston area. The fact that remains that while we have piled up an impressive record. We haven't brought home the hardware like the boys at Katy have.

As for everyone saying Westfield while they definitely are a program on the rise its too early to consider them one of the best in the area. And as far as Houston Westside goes they are kind of in the same boat as Westfield in my opionion. They did have a dream second season though having seen them play I think there record had a lot to do with playing lower competition. And it looked as though they didn't really have anyone othe rthan the Jackson cousins to move the ball for them.

[PonyExpress81]

I'm not a Katy Fan and I don't live in Katy but "Big Red" from Katy will roll through their Houston Schedule like a Florida Hurricane this Season. This team will be one of the great Katy Teams not just a mear 11-1 or 12-1 team but maybe a 15-0 squad. This school has 4800 plus students and there is enough Varsity Players to make up 3 HS Teams, it usually takes them a little longer than most to organize their team, if they have a weakness it will only show up during the first two games after that stay out of their way. No early Lufkin Game this season which helps the confidence factor a lot. Their 1st game will be against another huge HS The Woodlands which usually starts out slow - until they sort out the starters as well.

[myround0]

The Houston Texans! :D

OK, I'll go with Spring Westfield since they have a lot of guys coming back.


If you are talking high school then it would clearly be the Lufkin Panthers. To bad they send Lufkin north when it comes playoff time, so SV and Katy can have a clear road to the title game.

[lonny23]

The thread has been somewhat hijacked. The originator asked who the best team in Houston was and my smart aleck answer (The Texans) was right, but not the intended response. I took it as who was best this year and said Westfield. Other people took it to mean the best team in recent times. There are a few teams like Westfield, Elsik, The Woodlands, Ike and North Shore who've broke off several real good years lately and they're all kind of bunched in a pack, but I have to give the nod to North Shore as 2nd Place because they have a title and the others don't. The best teams in Houston are going to be the one's that get to the semifinals the most because they had to beat the other Houston teams to get there. It's hard to quantify The Woodlands because they play other towns in Region 2.

In that regard, there are only a few teams in the state that stand out:

Katy in Houston
SV and Judson in San Antonio
Lufkin
SLC
Euless Trinity

One more semifinal from Tyler Lee and they're in the group.

[ktCarl]

If you are talking high school then it would clearly be the Lufkin Panthers. To bad they send Lufkin north when it comes playoff time, so SV and Katy can have a clear road to the title game.

You hijacked the thread!
Maybe it's good for Katy and SV that Lufkin goes north during playoff time.
It might work the other way, too, you never know. Katy has beaten SLC in a BIG playoff game. Can Lufkin boast the same?

[dragonsdaddy]

boy, i can hear the gnashing of teeth in alamar's dressing room when you put trinity in and they haven't beaten lamar in many moons and several tries.

[coogr86]

having played and graduated from lamarque i must say i appreciate all of the kind words about our program. we take pride in our football program and do our best to play against the best.
westfield should be top of the food chain this year as far as 5a goes.

[ktchamp97]

I'm not a Katy Fan and I don't live in Katy but "Big Red" from Katy will roll through their Houston Schedule like a Florida Hurricane this Season. This team will be one of the great Katy Teams not just a mear 11-1 or 12-1 team but maybe a 15-0 squad. This school has 4800 plus students and there is enough Varsity Players to make up 3 HS Teams, it usually takes them a little longer than most to organize their team, if they have a weakness it will only show up during the first two games after that stay out of their way. No early Lufkin Game this season which helps the confidence factor a lot. Their 1st game will be against another huge HS The Woodlands which usually starts out slow - until they sort out the starters as well.

Katy has just over 3000 students...definitely nowhere near the 4800 you quoted.

This year, the best teams in Houston are Westfield, North Shore, Katy, and The Woodlands. Lufkin is East Texas, not Houston.

Westfield is on the verge of making a real name for itself statewide. They are not a flash in the pan. Their best athletes are just now starting to play football. That is scary.

North Shore is an elite program and will continue to be as long as Aymond is around. If not for a few very tight playoff losses, they would be much better known around the state. Yes, they have great athletes, but these guys are football players.

The Woodlands has a very good program too and this year, they are chock full of skill talent. They have been solid and consistent, but they've yet to be truly dominant. They've let lesser teams hang around longer than you think, but they've played seemingly superior teams alot better than you'd think. They will be an extremely tough opening opponent for Katy.

Katy has built a reputation for having great teams and not necessarily great players, but this year, the skill talent is undeniable. If they can carry on the tradition of playing together as a unit, they could have a very special year.

[Texasfrog]

Katy has just over 3000 students...definitely nowhere near the 4800 you quoted.

This year, the best teams in Houston are Westfield, North Shore, Katy, and The Woodlands. Lufkin is East Texas, not Houston.

Westfield is on the verge of making a real name for itself statewide. They are not a flash in the pan. Their best athletes are just now starting to play football. That is scary.

North Shore is an elite program and will continue to be as long as Aymond is around. If not for a few very tight playoff losses, they would be much better known around the state. Yes, they have great athletes, but these guys are football players.

The Woodlands has a very good program too and this year, they are chock full of skill talent. They have been solid and consistent, but they've yet to be truly dominant. They've let lesser teams hang around longer than you think, but they've played seemingly superior teams alot better than you'd think. They will be an extremely tough opening opponent for Katy.

Katy has built a reputation for having great teams and not necessarily great players, but this year, the skill talent is undeniable. If they can carry on the tradition of playing together as a unit, they could have a very special year.

Woodlands & North Shore are a toss up for the most part. Both have been very solid Houston area teams over the last 10 years.

Spring Westfield has been turning the corner for about the last 6 years and making huge leaps. Remember that back in 2001 (Lufkin's Title year) they took Lufkin to Overtime and put one big scare into Lufkin. Of coarse last season they lost the Title game to REL.

But, Katy has been the King of Houston over the last 13 or so years. Shoot, Katy can make a strong argument about being the overall best program in Texas over the last 13 years. :)

1. Katy
2. Woodlands & North Shore (tie)
3. Spring westfield

[dada]

Woodlands & North Shore are a toss up for the most part. Both have been very solid Houston area teams over the last 10 years.

Spring Westfield has been turning the corner for about the last 6 years and making huge leaps. Remember that back in 2001 (Lufkin's Title year) they took Lufkin to Overtime and put one big scare into Lufkin. Of coarse last season they lost the Title game to REL.

But, Katy has been the King of Houston over the last 13 or so years. Shoot, Katy can make a strong argument about being the overall best program in Texas over the last 13 years. :)

1. Katy
2. Woodlands & North Shore (tie)
3. Spring westfield

Last 13 years.....you have to throw in Ike also

[Texasfrog]

Last 13 years.....you have to throw in Ike also

Ike's had some solid seasons over that time period. But, they seem to have fallen on some hard times the last few seasons. Woodlands, Spring Westfield, North shore and Katy have been steady for the most part over that time period.

But, Ike's one of the top 6 to 7 Houston area teams over that time period.

[Katyexrb29]

Katy has just over 3000 students...definitely nowhere near the 4800 you quoted.

This year, the best teams in Houston are Westfield, North Shore, Katy, and The Woodlands. Lufkin is East Texas, not Houston.

Westfield is on the verge of making a real name for itself statewide. They are not a flash in the pan. Their best athletes are just now starting to play football. That is scary.

North Shore is an elite program and will continue to be as long as Aymond is around. If not for a few very tight playoff losses, they would be much better known around the state. Yes, they have great athletes, but these guys are football players.

The Woodlands has a very good program too and this year, they are chock full of skill talent. They have been solid and consistent, but they've yet to be truly dominant. They've let lesser teams hang around longer than you think, but they've played seemingly superior teams alot better than you'd think. They will be an extremely tough opening opponent for Katy.

Katy has built a reputation for having great teams and not necessarily great players, but this year, the skill talent is undeniable. If they can carry on the tradition of playing together as a unit, they could have a very special year.

Yeah I can't wait for the Woodlands Katy game. Seems it will never get here.

[pack0808]

Woodlands & North Shore are a toss up for the most part. Both have been very solid Houston area teams over the last 10 years.

Spring Westfield has been turning the corner for about the last 6 years and making huge leaps. Remember that back in 2001 (Lufkin's Title year) they took Lufkin to Overtime and put one big scare into Lufkin. Of coarse last season they lost the Title game to REL.

But, Katy has been the King of Houston over the last 13 or so years. Shoot, Katy can make a strong argument about being the overall best program in Texas over the last 13 years. :)

1. Katy
2. Woodlands & North Shore (tie)
3. Spring westfield


you must be just talking 5a because lamarque has to included if you are talking the last 13 years. has westfied even been playing that long?? maybe your talking this upcoming season??

[Texasfrog]

you must be just talking 5a because lamarque has to included if you are talking the last 13 years. has westfied even been playing that long?? maybe your talking this upcoming season??

Ya, I'm not talking about 4A. You're right.. Lamarque would be up there the best of them. Spring westfield been around for awhile. They restructered some of those school lines in the Spring area and Westfield has some of the more athletic areas.

Plus, there has been an explosion of population growth in the Spring area over the last 10 years. I remember growing up the only thing really there was the Goodyear Blimp hanger. Now, it's totally different.

[PackAttack2005]

Something is not right here. The question was the best team in the Houston area. KTchamp97 says Lufkin is an East Texas team, true enough but the Panthers play in a Houston area district. You can't leave us out just because we are stuck up Hwy 59. Out of sight, out of mind I guess.

ktcarl has a short memory, all he can remember is Lufkin's losses at the hands of Southlake. He doesn't want to talk about the only two meetings that Katy has ever had with Lufkin, 43-16 and 35-14 losses respectively and I don't want to hear about first game of the season and slow Katy starts.

Back to topic, Lufkin plays in a Houston district and cannot be excluded from consideration. No different than Tyler Lee, Longview and John Tyler play in a Mesquite / Metroplex district.

[Texasfrog]

Something is not right here. The question was the best team in the Houston area. KTchamp97 says Lufkin is an East Texas team, true enough but the Panthers play in a Houston area district. You can't leave us out just because we are stuck up Hwy 59. Out of sight, out of mind I guess.

ktcarl has a short memory, all he can remember is Lufkin's losses at the hands of Southlake. He doesn't want to talk about the only two meetings that Katy has ever had with Lufkin, 43-16 and 35-14 losses respectively and I don't want to hear about first game of the season and slow Katy starts.

Back to topic, Lufkin plays in a Houston district and cannot be excluded from consideration. No different than Tyler Lee, Longview and John Tyler play in a Mesquite / Metroplex district.

I have a hardtime thinking of Lufkin as a Houston team even though they are playing in a Houston district now. I'm hoping when redistricting comes around they go back up with REL, Longview and Lufkin with maybe one of the Eastern side Dallas teams. :)

[dragonsdaddy]

even better would be if some of the old district foes like marshall and nac can make the jump back to the big boys. the uil might just let et have a 6 member district. of course letting jt in the po's would have been a travesty the last few years.

[PackAttack2005]

TexFrog, I would prefer your suggestion to go north and staying in Region 2, than going to a Humble or Beaumont district and dropping into Region 3.

Whatever the UIL does, it will not be moving Lufkin back north. We are isolated in East Texas, it is a no win situation for Lufkin in 5A as it stands now. Unless a 6A division is created in the future or the 5A enrollment cut off is raised above the enrollment in Lufkin (2400), Lufkin will probably not be in an East Texas district for many more years. They will be destined to be floating around from one Gulf Coast district to another for a few more alignments to come.

[ktCarl]

Something is not right here. The question was the best team in the Houston area. KTchamp97 says Lufkin is an East Texas team, true enough but the Panthers play in a Houston area district. You can't leave us out just because we are stuck up Hwy 59. Out of sight, out of mind I guess.

ktcarl has a short memory, all he can remember is Lufkin's losses at the hands of Southlake. He doesn't want to talk about the only two meetings that Katy has ever had with Lufkin, 43-16 and 35-14 losses respectively and I don't want to hear about first game of the season and slow Katy starts.

Back to topic, Lufkin plays in a Houston district and cannot be excluded from consideration. No different than Tyler Lee, Longview and John Tyler play in a Mesquite / Metroplex district.

Yes Lufkin has been aligned in a Houston District but it is still not a Houston area school. Down here ya'll are considered a premier East Texas program. Maybe when the Gulf of Mexico erodes some more coastline Lufkin will be closer to H-town.
And even though I have a short memory I still recall all to well the results of the two Lufkin games even though I didn't attend. I don't mean to knock a good program like Lufkin but Katy STILL has beat SLC in a PLAYOFF game. Now drgnbkr is going to give me hell.

[drgnbkr]

Yes Lufkin has been aligned in a Houston District but it is still not a Houston area school. Down here ya'll are considered a premier East Texas program. Maybe when the Gulf of Mexico erodes some more coastline Lufkin will be closer to H-town.
And even though I have a short memory I still recall all to well the results of the two Lufkin games even though I didn't attend. I don't mean to knock a good program like Lufkin but Katy STILL has beat SLC in a PLAYOFF game. Now drgnbkr is going to give me hell.

No way my friend! It was a great game played by two great teams..Ya'll just had one more point than my Dragons when the game ended....Damnit...

[Texasfrog]

TexFrog, I would prefer your suggestion to go north and staying in Region 2, than going to a Humble or Beaumont district and dropping into Region 3.

Whatever the UIL does, it will not be moving Lufkin back north. We are isolated in East Texas, it is a no win situation for Lufkin in 5A as it stands now. Unless a 6A division is created in the future or the 5A enrollment cut off is raised above the enrollment in Lufkin (2400), Lufkin will probably not be in an East Texas district for many more years. They will be destined to be floating around from one Gulf Coast district to another for a few more alignments to come.

Lufkin's in a tough area..

How about this for kicks:

1. Lufkin
2. Longview
3. Tyler Lee
4. John Tyler
5. Waco
6. Bryan
7. A&M Cons.

Man, that would be a crazy and very tough district. The longest trip would be Longview vs A&M Cons.

[RidgePride]

No way my friend! It was a great game played by two great teams..Ya'll just had one more point than my Dragons when the game ended....Damnit...

Yeah that was a great game.
That one Blocked punt for a safety pretty much did SLC in.

[pack0808]

to even consider lufkin as a houston area team is just silly. lufkin is purely east texas. they should not even be brought up in this thread. i do not care that they are playing in a houston district they are still east texas. so are the dallas cowboys considered a eastern area team because they play in the east divison?? no!!

[Drake]

What about Strake Jesuit? :)

[dada]

What about Strake Jesuit? :)
Funny you say that...I was just thinking. Are other Schools in Houston gonna go to districts? Teams like St. Thomas, Kinkaid, St. Johns and St.Pius...if I'm not mistaken they play UIL schools sometimes.

[myround0]

to even consider lufkin as a houston area team is just silly. lufkin is purely east texas. they should not even be brought up in this thread. i do not care that they are playing in a houston district they are still east texas. so are the dallas cowboys considered a eastern area team because they play in the east divison?? no!!

So when the Cowboy win their division is it not the nfc east title they take, although they are easily and should be and nfc south team same with the colts who play in the afc south. Look Houston, you guys are stuck with the 800 pound gorilla that is the Lufkin Panthers. Get over yourselves, Lufkin will add some toughness to the region which really needs some validity. The Panthers play in Houston, they are a Houston team, and they are clearly the best team from that area. If the UIL place them in that region during Playoffs, you can bet the Panthers would have you guys as mad as we Lobo fans have been. Also, are you going to say the Lobos aren't one of the top two teams in the Dallas area. If you add Tyler Lee you are looking at the two of the top three teams in the Metro area and they are clearly East Texas teams.

Houston we have a problem.

[dragonsdaddy]

the monster that is lp is in a houston area district, but still region 2, so houston really doesn't have to deal with them until the finals, except that one district.

[Big Daddy Cool]

Look Houston, you guys are stuck with the 800 pound gorilla that is the Lufkin Panthers.


You know considering Lufkin always has one of the best teams in the state I have no problem what so ever in claiming them as a Houston team. Same goes for teams like LaMarque.

[Texasfrog]

So when the Cowboy win their division is it not the nfc east title they take, although they are easily and should be and nfc south team same with the colts who play in the afc south. Look Houston, you guys are stuck with the 800 pound gorilla that is the Lufkin Panthers. Get over yourselves, Lufkin will add some toughness to the region which really needs some validity. The Panthers play in Houston, they are a Houston team, and they are clearly the best team from that area. If the UIL place them in that region during Playoffs, you can bet the Panthers would have you guys as mad as we Lobo fans have been. Also, are you going to say the Lobos aren't one of the top two teams in the Dallas area. If you add Tyler Lee you are looking at the two of the top three teams in the Metro area and they are clearly East Texas teams.

Houston we have a problem.

Why does the Houston area (region) need some validity ? Just wondering. :confused:

Looking at Dave Campbells's Pre-season #25.

Houston area teams:

Spring Westfield
Woodlands
North Shore
Katy
Cypress Falls
Fort Bend Hightower

* Not counting Lufkin.

Not bad for the Houston area to have 6 teams considered in the State's top #25.

[PackAttack2005]

Pack08, agreed Lufkin is East Texas through and through. However, it is not silly that they are brought up in this thread, if Lufkin must play The Woodlands, Conroe, Conroe Oakridge, Klein, Klein Collins, Klein Forest all from the Houston area and don't forget that Lufkin plays Aldine Eisenhower and Port Arthur Memorial in non-district. Don't bring Lufkin into this thread?

Well, if my math is correct it looks like the Panthers play 8 of 10 games in 2005 against Houston area teams. Look at it any way you want, but we are not in East Texas anymore.

Hey, Pack I am still in denial too, but the truth is, our East Texas 5A district with it's East Texas roots is only a memory.

[Big Daddy Cool]

Ok I must be missing something here guys. How is it that The Woodlands, Conroe, Conroe Oakridge, Klein, Klein Collins, Klein Forest are considered Houston schools when none of them are in Houston. And further more come playoof time if I a not mistaken doesn't the winner of that district go up and play the the Dallas schools which is region 2. Now you could make the case for IKE beign a houston school since it is still somewhat inside the city limits. Though there's no way port Arthur can be considered a Houston area team when they are more than 100 miles away from houston.

[PackAttack2005]

I have reconsidered my stand on this issue, Lufkin is East Texas. We are only down south in 14-5A because the UIL put us there, not by our choice.

Pack08, I apologize, you were right and I was wrong.

I like the us against the State attitude we have here in East Texas and I wouldn't want any part of Houston anyway.

Our record down south speaks for itself, since 1999 Lufkin is 15 -1 against Houston metro area schools. I know where we belong and it is not down in the Houston-Metro where we are now, it should be here in an East Texas district with Tyler Lee, Longview, John Tyler and our former 5A buddies from Marshall and Nacogdoches. I think the East Texas teams have held their own with the best in the State over the years. So I have changed my mind and withdraw Lufkin to be considered as a Houston team. We will just keep playing where the UIL puts us and keep representing our great East Texas football tradition.

[friendswood72]

No offense intended... But look at the Houston teams Lufkin plays, besides The Woodlands i wouldnt consider any other team in the district a major threat. I would like to see Lufkin talking all that "East Texas dominating houston" if they played teams like Katy, GPNS, La Marque annually....

[bleedgreen]

you had me again there for a second, packAttack........doesn't matter who you are playing against, any way you look at it, Lufkin is a true, blue, Piney Woods of East Texas town........when you relocate the entire town of Lufkin to the Houston area, then you can say that you are a "Houston" team--LOL..................

[ktCarl]

I have reconsidered my stand on this issue, Lufkin is East Texas. We are only down south in 14-5A because the UIL put us there, not by our choice.

Pack08, I apologize, you were right and I was wrong.

I like the us against the State attitude we have here in East Texas and I wouldn't want any part of Houston anyway.

Our record down south speaks for itself, since 1999 Lufkin is 15 -1 against Houston metro area schools. I know where we belong and it is not down in the Houston-Metro where we are now, it should be here in an East Texas district with Tyler Lee, Longview, John Tyler and our former 5A buddies from Marshall and Nacogdoches. I think the East Texas teams have held their own with the best in the State over the years. So I have changed my mind and withdraw Lufkin to be considered as a Houston team. We will just keep playing where the UIL puts us and keep representing our great East Texas football tradition.

You guys are East Texas through and through and there ain't nothin' wrong with that. Ya'll got a good football program to be proud of that would do well in any UIL alignment.
At least ya'll are from TEXAS!

[03mustangwideout]

No offense intended... But look at the Houston teams Lufkin plays, besides The Woodlands i wouldnt consider any other team in the district a major threat. I would like to see Lufkin talking all that "East Texas dominating houston" if they played teams like Katy, GPNS, La Marque annually....
yes its a shame the we never get to play teams like katy and lufkin. The two coaches should get something started. Plus that way you can finally crown the best team in houston. but it really is a shame the the great teams in this state have hardly or never even played each other. There needs to be a pre season classic for that.

[PackAttack2005]

Bleed, I'm okay, I plead temporary insanity, I got caught up in the team recognition issue on the thread and forgot my roots. I don't care who we play in pre-district or whatever, because under John Outlaw, Lufkin's program has held it's own against the best in the State. To Mr. Friendswood 72, to set the record straight, true Lufkin has never had the opportunity to play North Shore or Lamarque, but they have played Katy twice (2002-2003), The Woodlands(2004), Spring Westfield(2001) and Klein Forest when they were 12-0 in the 2002 playoffs, all in the last 4 years and won all of those games.

Us East Texas boys have done alright down south. We will play whatever team the UIL puts in front of us, we don't have a preference.

[pack0808]

do not forget lufkin played ike when they were a very solid team besides the last year when ike was down. lufkin is 4-1 vs ike since the series started in 2000. correct me if i am wrong but didn't the 2001 or 2002 ike team beat an undefeated ns team in the playoffs?? i cant remember which year but lufkin beat ike in 2001 and 2002.

[dada]

do not forget lufkin played ike when they were a very solid team besides the last year when ike was down. lufkin is 4-1 vs ike since the series started in 2000. correct me if i am wrong but didn't the 2001 or 2002 ike team beat an undefeated ns team in the playoffs?? i cant remember which year but lufkin beat ike in 2001 and 2002.
2002..Ike upset NS 27-26...cant remenber what happened but I think it was on a bogus play or something. Ike went on to loose to Elsik in the 3rd round.

[pack0808]

i was looking it up and ike beat ns 38-37 in 2002 and lufkin beat ike that same year 36-29. when i was looking up the scores i did not realize ns was in the div2 playoffs in 2000 and 2001?? does ns still have a chance to go div2 anymore?? anyways, i forgot that ns lost to vy led madison team 61-58 in the div2 playoffs in 2001, madison lost to westlake and and lufkin beat westlake by 2 td's in the finals. i always hear about the tradition of the ns defense but they sure have given up a lot of points in some of the games against quality opponents that i have looked back on?? i mean big numbers!! even last year they gave up a ton of points to westfield. it seems that 2003 defense was one of a kind in ns history and they have not always been near that dominant on defense like they were in 2003?? am i wrong?? the 2003 defense was almost one of a kind period.

[dada]

Yeah it was 38-37...I knew the game had a funny ending though. Yeah, they gave up a ton of points to Madison and Young...but KNOWBODY could stop Madisons offense that year...if they had a hint of defense they could have won state. I remember the Westlake game and win Westlake won the coin toss and elected to recieve the ball I looked at my friend and was like D!@n! we just lost the game. He was like why? I told him..Westlake is gonna score first so Madison is gonna have to play catch up all game...and sure enough it happened. I remember Madison getting two sacks back to back and having Westlake in a 3rd and almost 20.....Westlake tried to play it safe and called a draw..The RB...ran it like 60+ yards for the score. A lil tidbit...Young was the leading tackler on Defense and led the team in ints. This WAS a Three man team(Young, Lewis, Swain) that was one game away from state.

[pack0808]

westlake beat madison 48-42 in 2001. giving up 42 is a little different then giving up 61 don't you think?? that is almost 3 more td's :eek:

lufkin beat westlake 38-24 in the finals that year by the way. i just cannot imagine a lufkin defense giving up 45 plus to anybody lately?? i think in the last 4 years the most a lufkin defense has given up was 37 last year to slc which was well under their average. everybody knows that slc has had the best offense in the state for the last 3 years so that is not horrible. lufkin gave up 33 to slc in 2002 and they were averaging about 50 a game i think??

[Fleeman93]

This discussion needs a definition of "Houston area teams." Should the definition be teams in the geographical area or teams that play teams in the geographical area? It isn't Houston or Lufkin's fault that UIL has to set the region 2 and region 3 boarders just north of Houston. Lufkin is not a Houston area team in my opinion.

[pack0808]

i agree completely fleeman.

[pack0808]

one more question about northshore if you will?? like i said, i noticed ns was in the div2 playoffs as recently as 2001 but now i noticed they have no chance to play in div2 again because they are #1 in enrollment in their district. has ns grown that much since 2001 or did they change district's??

[Thor]

you had me again there for a second, packAttack........doesn't matter who you are playing against, any way you look at it, Lufkin is a true, blue, Piney Woods of East Texas town........when you relocate the entire town of Lufkin to the Houston area, then you can say that you are a "Houston" team--LOL..................

Give Houston a chance Lufkin will be part of Houston in the next 20 years :)

[dada]

westlake beat madison 48-42 in 2001. giving up 42 is a little different then giving up 61 don't you think?? that is almost 3 more td's :eek:

lufkin beat westlake 38-24 in the finals that year by the way. i just cannot imagine a lufkin defense giving up 45 plus to anybody lately?? i think in the last 4 years the most a lufkin defense has given up was 37 last year to slc which was well under their average. everybody knows that slc has had the best offense in the state for the last 3 years so that is not horrible. lufkin gave up 33 to slc in 2002 and they were averaging about 50 a game i think??

Ok Westlake HELD Madison to 42 points....I think the halftime score between NS and Madison was like 42-42....Was that the same year Lufkin "Squeeked" by the Woodlands in OT..or was it Westfield. 26-19 I think was the score...

It was one play away from Lufkin and Madison in the title game...I would have LOVED to have seen that.

[Big Daddy Cool]

one more question about northshore if you will?? like i said, i noticed ns was in the div2 playoffs as recently as 2001 but now i noticed they have no chance to play in div2 again because they are #1 in enrollment in their district. has ns grown that much since 2001 or did they change district's??

Pack if I am remembering correctly in 2000 North Shore was in 22-5A with the Baytown schools,Deer Park,La Porte, and the Beaumont schools. At that time Deer park was bigger than Norht Shore by a slim margin so yeah we're a D2 team. Thoughsince then NS has indeed continued to grow and doesn't show any signs of stopping anytime soon. If you take a drive by the Senior High campus you'll see A lot of new homes going in between the school and Beltway 8. And as most will remember the team that lost to IKE was basically the very same team that took home the title in 03'. As for how we lost that one it came down to a bad snap on a fourth down play from inside the five yeard line.

[ktchamp97]

In that Madison vs. Westlake game, Madison completely abandoned their offense in the first half and ran Vince under center nearly the whole time. I don't know if they were trying to fool Westlake, or try something new, but when they went back to the Gun, Vince and Co. couldn't be stopped. Madison also did a much better defensive job in the second half of that game.

Pack,
In 2000 and 2001, Deer Park was the D1 rep, so I guess NS just grew between then and the last realignment.

dada4w,
It was Westfield.

[dada]

In that Madison vs. Westlake game, Madison completely abandoned their offense in the first half and ran Vince under center nearly the whole time. I don't know if they were trying to fool Westlake, or try something new, but when they went back to the Gun, Vince and Co. couldn't be stopped. Madison also did a much better defensive job in the second half of that game.

Pack,
In 2000 and 2001, Deer Park was the D1 rep, so I guess NS just grew between then and the last realignment.

dada4w,
It was Westfield.

Thanks....

I kinda feel sorry for the folks that didnt to get to see Vince his SR. year.
I know this is a Houston area team thread, but what Houston team(HISD) will have a break out year this year. Is Brandon Lafell still at Lamar? Will Westside be able to replace the Jackson 2?

[KT2000]

I don't know if HISD has one team that really stands out this year. Lamar and Westside both have talent back, but they also lost some very key guys. LaFell is going to LSU with RJ Jackson.

Yates has a chance to be very good in 4A again this year. In 5A, I think it will come down to Lamar and Westside again. However, I give Lamar the edge this year because they have QB Demetrius Woods back in addition to several other starters. Woods was very good as a soph last year.

[dada]

I don't know if HISD has one team that really stands out this year. Lamar and Westside both have talent back, but they also lost some very key guys. LaFell is going to LSU with RJ Jackson.

Yates has a chance to be very good in 4A again this year. In 5A, I think it will come down to Lamar and Westside again. However, I give Lamar the edge this year because they have QB Demetrius Woods back in addition to several other starters. Woods was very good as a soph last year.

Good points....it's pretty much a toss up after that. Maybe one team will sneek up on people...like Bellaire.

[KT2000]

21-5A (HISD) actually returns more All-District players than any other in the state if I remember right, so there is a good chance it won't be just a two horse race in the end. Bellaire's big loss to graduation was the QB Ogundare, but if they've got someone like him ready to take over..they should have a chance at the playoffs also.

[pack0808]

bellaire?? sometimes i forget they even have a football program?? everybody knows they are a big time 5a power (most state championships) in baseball but football is another story. it kind of makes you wonder how a magnet school with that kind of money cannot produce a better football team. they usually get some major studs in baseball. the last few years they have not been near as good in baseball which surprises me?? i remember when we played them in the early 90's up in houston and the parking lot was full of bmw's and mercedes and jose cruz sr was in the stands watching his son. ok that is another subject!! but when is the last time bellaire has done anything in football?? just curious??

[dada]

bellaire?? sometimes i forget they even have a football program?? everybody knows they are a big time 5a power (most state championships) in baseball but football is another story. it kind of makes you wonder how a magnet school with that kind of money cannot produce a better football team. they usually get some major studs in baseball. the last few years they have not been near as good in baseball which surprises me?? i remember when we played them in the early 90's up in houston and the parking lot was full of bmw's and mercedes and jose cruz sr was in the stands watching his son. ok that is another subject!! but when is the last time bellaire has done anything in football?? just curious??

I think they've made the playoffs the last few years. Funny thing...I drove by Bellaire the other day and thought that Bellaire used to be to Baseball what Carroll is to football. I thought Clemens' son would go to Bellaire instead of Memorial. It was a good stretch at one point that EVERY YEAR there was a Cruz coming out of Bellaire. I think Bellaire is gonna have a better football program in the near future. Why? I think they are gonna start teaching the kids one system...I noticed that the bellaire little league runs the same type of offense that Bellaire high does. These kids will play together in Little Leaque, Jr high and by the time they reach high school they will be like Katy...just a machine that you change the parts on every year.

We talked about this in another thread a while back. I said that what was killing HISD....Pop warner the run one system...jr high another system...then in high school...mos tof them seperate. while Schools like Katy...the kids play TOGETHER for years.

[Big Daddy Cool]

Pack,
In 2000 and 2001, Deer Park was the D1 rep, so I guess NS just grew between then and the last realignment.


DP only outranked NS by a little bit at that time. Though as I said in my above NS has seen quite a growth spurt over the last couple of years and it doesn't look to be stoppong anytime soon. Its a combination of success as well as the area around the school is continuing to grow.

[ktchamp97]

We talked about this in another thread a while back. I said that what was killing HISD....Pop warner the run one system...jr high another system...then in high school...mos tof them seperate. while Schools like Katy...the kids play TOGETHER for years.

The Katy kids DO NOT play all together until they are Freshmen at Katy. I know that for a fact. That's because the junior high system in KISD is such that some of the schools feed multiple high schools. All of the junior highs run different systems too. You don't learn the Katy program until you get there. Katy Jr. High may be an exception.

[Big Daddy Cool]

I understand what your trying to say Ktchamp though your not going to tell me that the junior high's that feed Katy do no run some of the offensive and defeensive scheme run by the big team. The same goes for those that feed Taylor. And I've seen the same happen with our junior high's here. They may not exactly wha the big team is but they will incrporate some phases of the big teams strategy.

[dada]

The Katy kids DO NOT play all together until they are Freshmen at Katy. I know that for a fact. That's because the junior high system in KISD is such that some of the schools feed multiple high schools. All of the junior highs run different systems too. You don't learn the Katy program until you get there. Katy Jr. High may be an exception.
..Well it may be different now with the addition of the new schools. But before that didnt that feed directly into Taylor or Katy? If the Katy area keeps opening High Schools it will have the same problem Willowridge had with the opening of all the new schools in Ft. Bend.

[Texas Hammer]

2002..Ike upset NS 27-26...cant remenber what happened but I think it was on a bogus play or something. Ike went on to loose to Elsik in the 3rd round.
I wonder who beat Elsik in the 4th round? ;) I thought NS was getting out of the region and then I thought Ike, and lo and behold it was Elsik and their big bad TE. Those boys might've won if the TE hadn't gotten injured.

[wide-e-wide]

What happened to Ike early in that season?
Didn't they play Lufkin?.....hahahaha

[myround0]

Why does the Houston area (region) need some validity ? Just wondering. :confused:

Looking at Dave Campbells's Pre-season #25.

Houston area teams:

Spring Westfield
Woodlands
North Shore
Katy
Cypress Falls
Fort Bend Hightower

* Not counting Lufkin.

Not bad for the Houston area to have 6 teams considered in the State's top #25.

I tell you this, when you pull up the East Texas thread for 5A teams, you get nothing. When you pull up the Dallas thread you get the Lobos and Tyler Lee.
When you pull up the Houston Thread, sitting right on top of the Houston Metro, is the 800-pound Gorilla, and you have the audicity to say Lufkin is not considered Houston. This question is like a politician making the law, you ignore the facts regardless of the words starring you in the face.

[mollypollyolly]

i think that Jersey Village is going to be the best in houston this season. :D but i think second best woulld have 2 be woodlands or katy.....

[CARROLL1]

Without A Doubt- Katy

[bleedgreen]

Jersey Village??? are you kidding?? come on mollypollyolly, you definitely must be a Jersey Village fan--right??.....especially putting JV over Katy--i don't think so......................

[poppy]

i would say over the past 11 years katy has ruled the houston area.
north shore had some good teams \especially 2003\ aldine and ike have also been good.
katy won reg. 3 in 1994,97,98,99,00,02,03...they went to the reg 3 finals
last year...and no doubt will win reg 3 this year, 2005, can't see anyone in this region beating them. i think katy would beat spring westfield too.
so katy rules again....

[Texas Hammer]

It's a joke that Lufkin comes up in this thread.

Katy is the best over the last decade and might be this year. North Shore and Westfield are in the running to be the best this year.

[Katyexrb29]

i think that Jersey Village is going to be the best in houston this season. :D but i think second best woulld have 2 be woodlands or katy.....

Thats by far one of the funniest things Ive heard all year. Thanks man you really made my day. :D

[Katyexrb29]

It's a joke that Lufkin comes up in this thread.

Katy is the best over the last decade and might be this year. North Shore and Westfield are in the running to be the best this year.

Even thought Lufkin is part of a houston district it is not within the houston city limits so I have to agree with you.

[Big Daddy Cool]

Lufkin is not in a Houston district though so why does everyone seem to think they are. Not one school in that district is inside the Houston city limits. If its to be called anything it should be called a Conroe or Klien district since that where the bulk of the teams come from. Lufkin like so many other have siad has been a victim of stupd planning by the UIL.

[Katyexrb29]

Lufkin is not in a Houston district though so why does everyone seem to think they are. Not one school in that district is inside the Houston city limits. If its to be called anything it should be called a Conroe or Klien district since that where the bulk of the teams come from. Lufkin like so many other have siad has been a victim of stupd planning by the UIL.

True

[pack0808]

Lufkin is not in a Houston district though so why does everyone seem to think they are. Not one school in that district is inside the Houston city limits. If its to be called anything it should be called a Conroe or Klien district since that where the bulk of the teams come from. Lufkin like so many other have siad has been a victim of stupd planning by the UIL.


houston AREA not the houston city limits. area means close by if you need an explanatioin. either way, lufkin is east texas period and they should not even be discussed in this thread like many have already said. katy is hands down #1 in the houston area!! katy is probably #2 best ever in 5a??

[Texas Hammer]

houston AREA not the houston city limits. area means close by if you need an explanatioin. either way, lufkin is east texas period and they should not even be discussed in this thread like many have already said. katy is hands down #1 in the houston area!! katy is probably #2 best ever in 5a??
They sure aren't #1 ever, but I'll consider them for #2.

[dada]

I wonder who beat Elsik in the 4th round? ;) I thought NS was getting out of the region and then I thought Ike, and lo and behold it was Elsik and their big bad TE. Those boys might've won if the TE hadn't gotten injured.

Yeah They ran into Judson..The RB that had was pretty fast(Dont remember if it was Crosby or Odum)..but I think it would have been a better game if it wasnt for the injuries and stupid penalties against the rams.

[brad@sunshinepreps]

Which Team has the best chance at stopping SLC in Houston. What I am saying is who has the best Combo of DL and DB's to put pressure on SLC QB and cover their fast receivers?

[dada]

Which Team has the best chance at stopping SLC in Houston. What I am saying is who has the best Combo of DL and DB's to put pressure on SLC QB and cover their fast receivers?
I think that would be a question for the KT boys.....Westfield returns quite a few players on D, they might be improved in that area, North Shore has the athletes, but if they played SLC it would probably come down to who had the ball last. I think it's gonna take a team that runs the ball and uses a lot of clock. Get SLC behind and FORCE them to throw the ball. It's a big difference when you want to throw the ball and when you have to throw the ball. I'm waiting for the answer to this question also....which Houston team will have a solid defense???

[dragonsdaddy]

if lp is in that houston group, i vote for them. our 2 game streak doesn't preclude dominance, at least not this year. they will have some weapons that have hurt us in the past, and they are hungry. kt would also be a team that will play us well and should be there waiting for us, assuming we can run the gauntlet again.

[eagleike]

In the 90's and early 2000's Eisenhower was the most dominant team in the Houston area. Katy took that label from the Eagles by winning not only the region but the state title three times. North Shore was only added to the elite group based on their incredible 2003 season.

[TheDuke]

In the 90'a and early 2000's Eisenhower was the most dominant team in the Houston area. Katy took that label from the Eagles by winning not only the region but the state title three times. North Shore was only added to the elite group based on their incredible 2003 season.

Hey eagleike?

What ever happened to Clarence Cruise? That game when they played Judson in the playoffs when they had Jerrod Douglas was one of the baddest games that I have ever seen!!!

[mollypollyolly]

:D just watch jersey village this yr you willl seee

[ktrain]

:D just watch jersey village this yr you willl seee

We will see how good JV is on Friday Sept 2nd.

[poppy]

there you go again ktrain
making bulliten board materal
for one of katy's opponents
let's play the game first...

[ktrain]

there you go again ktrain
making bulliten board materal
for one of katy's opponents
let's play the game first...

Did you see a prediction of a winner in my post??

[Katyexrb29]

Best team in the 90's? Katy was voted team of the decade. No other team in houston had a record like Katy.

[brad@sunshinepreps]

Katy was great during the 90's, how many kids from there are in the NFL.

[dada]

Katy was great during the 90's, how many kids from there are in the NFL.
Top of my Head...Eric Heitman....Stanford....San Francisco???

[Fleeman93]

Only two that I can think of are Eric Heitman and George Diaz. Don't know if Diaz is still in, but he played in the league for a few years.

[htownfootball]

to whoever asked about houston pvt schools playing UIL, they usually play UIL 4a or 3a schools not 5a since houston 5a is so powerful. also those schools besides strake and dallasj esuit are definently NOT interested in UIL admittance especially 5A since they are winning cream puff 'titles' in TAPPS and getting money for attendance, etc anyways.

[brad@sunshinepreps]

How many Private schools in Houston Play football at the 4A and 5A level?

[myround0]

Even thought Lufkin is part of a houston district it is not within the houston city limits so I have to agree with you.

The question was the best team in the houston area...are you saying Lufkin don't play in that area...if they do then they qualify to be an answer to this question...Lufkin who has a 2-0 record over Katy, and the number one ranked team in the greater Houston area for two years in a row. Without one doubt the best high school football team playing in the greater Houston area...and for those who don't know East Texas has no, I repeat, has no 5A district...So Lufkin is a Houston team like it or not Katy and SV fans...Lufkin should be placed in region three during the playoffs.

[PackAttack2005]

UIL made a mistake putting Lufkin in 14-5A, but I don't know what else they could have done with us. Myround0, we appreciate the props, but we really don't want to be considered a Houston team just becaue the UIL put us in 14-5A and for sure don't want to be in Region III. Our history and traditions encompass East Texas and Region II. Our rivalries have been forged over a 70 year history with our other East Texas nieghbors. Only a short ten years ago, we had 6 schools, John Tyler, Tyler Lee, Lufkin, Longview, Marshall and Nacogdoches that made up one of the strongest 5A districts in the state. That number dwindled to four in 2002 and we played in that atrocious round robin district for two years and as everyone knows were split up in 2004.

In 2006, that number could drop to three, with JT dropping to 4A. In defense of the UIL, I am not sure they had any choice but to send Lufkin south and Lee, JT and Longview north.

My point, is that we are not a Houston school and don't want to be considered a Houston school. We are different than most of the Houston schools in attitude and mindset, we are a 5A school with small town values and large community involvment and commitment to our kids and I don't want that to change.

Myround0, thanks but, no thanks, Lufkin is fine right here in East Texas. You can keep the Houston teams and Region III right where they are for now and hopefully the UIL will do something right in 2006 to help Lufkin get a little closer to home in the next realighnment.

[lonny23]

UIL made a mistake putting Lufkin in 14-5A, but I don't know what else they could have done with us. Myround0, we appreciate the props, but we really don't want to be considered a Houston team just becaue the UIL put us in 14-5A and for sure don't want to be in Region III. Our history and traditions encompass East Texas and Region II. Our rivalries have been forged over a 70 year history with our other East Texas nieghbors. Only a short ten years ago, we had 6 schools, John Tyler, Tyler Lee, Lufkin, Longview, Marshall and Nacogdoches that made up one of the strongest 5A districts in the state. That number dwindled to four in 2002 and we played in that atrocious round robin district for two years and as everyone knows were split up in 2004.

In 2006, that number could drop to three, with JT dropping to 4A. In defense of the UIL, I am not sure they had any choice but to send Lufkin south and Lee, JT and Longview north.

My point, is that we are not a Houston school and don't want to be considered a Houston school. We are different than most of the Houston schools in attitude and mindset, we are a 5A school with small town values and large community involvment and commitment to our kids and I don't want that to change.

Myround0, thanks but, no thanks, Lufkin is fine right here in East Texas. You can keep the Houston teams and Region III right where they are for now and hopefully the UIL will do something right in 2006 to help Lufkin get a little closer to home in the next realighnment.
There are going to be struggles outside of the big metro areas in 5A from here to eternity. Abilene schools have to play in Odessa. San Angelo has to go to Amarillo and so does Lubbock. ET will always have to go to Dallas or Houston. Del Rio has to come to SA. The Central Texas schools have to travel. Victoria sticks out like a sore thumb and Eagle Pass has to travel to Laredo. The travel doesn't make anybody a part of any other area, but it is necessary.

I'm used to the travel because Pittsburg and especially Mt. Pleasant had to play schools a long ways off. What hepled MP was that they were in the middle and didn't have to travel nearly as far as the other teams.

[dada]

How many Private schools in Houston Play football at the 4A and 5A level?
I Could be wrong..I'm just guessing and going off memory that isnt that good.

St. Thomas
St. PiusX

[brad@sunshinepreps]

IF Denton is considered DFW area, then Lufkin should be considered Houston area.

[lonny23]

IF Denton is considered DFW area, then Lufkin should be considered Houston area.
Denton is a lot closer to Dallas and a part of a continuous chain of cities.

[Katyexrb29]

The question was the best team in the houston area...are you saying Lufkin don't play in that area...if they do then they qualify to be an answer to this question...Lufkin who has a 2-0 record over Katy, and the number one ranked team in the greater Houston area for two years in a row. Without one doubt the best high school football team playing in the greater Houston area...and for those who don't know East Texas has no, I repeat, has no 5A district...So Lufkin is a Houston team like it or not Katy and SV fans...Lufkin should be placed in region three during the playoffs.

We lost to lufkin two times, yes. What teams were left standing at the end of those two seasons seasons? and who has a better playoff record. Im going to make the Lufkin backers mad by saying this, but it is true. "Katy starts slow and builds momentum each game."

[TWHS Alum]

Almost all of yall are counting out The Woodlands, and maybe yall are right for doing that but i disagree with yall. i play for them this is my last year so i do know what we have and dont have. but most of yall have totally counted us out agianst Katy ill tell yall right now dont count us out yet or we will surprise you. we may win we may not we will just have to see. but dont count us out. yalls opinion might change come Aug. 27.

[ktrain]

Almost all of yall are counting out The Woodlands, and maybe yall are right for doing that but i disagree with yall. i play for them this is my last year so i do know what we have and dont have. but most of yall have totally counted us out agianst Katy ill tell yall right now dont count us out yet or we will surprise you. we may win we may not we will just have to see. but dont count us out. yalls opinion might change come Aug. 27.

Believe me, Katy is not counting you out. We expect The Woodlands to give us all we can handle and then some. That’s why we play quality teams at the start of the season, even if we get beat it tells us where we are and what we need to fix before we start district play.

[ktCarl]

houston AREA not the houston city limits. area means close by if you need an explanatioin. either way, lufkin is east texas period and they should not even be discussed in this thread like many have already said. katy is hands down #1 in the houston area!! katy is probably #2 best ever in 5a??

Thanks a lot Pack and Hammer. I've only been keeping up with Katy and 5A football since '94. I don't have the history of watching a whole lot of H.S. Football since the 5A classification began. I would give us maybe best in 90's in Houston area but to give us a #2 best ever in 5a is quite a compliment coming from you guys.

[Woodlands!!]

the woodlands is gonna own everyone this year :)

[LPFAN]

the woodlands is gonna own everyone this year :)
Be good.....probably. Own everyone........doubt it!

[Woodlands!!]

Be good.....probably. Own everyone........doubt it!

ha yea true.. i guess i'm a bit biased... ;)

[North Shore Mustang]

i would say over the past 11 years katy has ruled the houston area.
north shore had some good teams \especially 2003\ aldine and ike have also been good.
katy won reg. 3 in 1994,97,98,99,00,02,03...they went to the reg 3 finals
last year...and no doubt will win reg 3 this year, 2005, can't see anyone in this region beating them. i think katy would beat spring westfield too.
so katy rules again....

It has never come to me....KATY vs. WESTFIELD

I would love to see that.

[brad@sunshinepreps]

how good is Klein Collins going to be with

Matt Allen
Michael Goodson
Dave Brown
Franklin Mitchem
Chris Burns

all coming back and all having D-1 offers.

[lonny23]

I feel so dumb for not giving the correct answer to this question so far. The best team in Houston is...

whoever comes over from San Antonio in the semifinals!!! ;)

[dada]

how good is Klein Collins going to be with

Matt Allen
Michael Goodson
Dave Brown
Franklin Mitchem
Chris Burns

all coming back and all having D-1 offers.
Maybe they will be that "Sneak up on Folks" team that I've been talking about.

[lonny23]

Maybe they will be that "Sneak up on Folks" team that I've been talking about.
They have a chance. With what people are saying in preseason, they won't be favored to win a playoff game, but we can watch over the next 10 games.

[PackAttack2005]

I thought Chris Burns played for The Woodlands?

[brad@sunshinepreps]

There is also a Chris Burns at Klein Collins, He is the starting RT.

[htownfootball]

strake is the only team that plays 5A football officially. st thomas and st pius play 3A and sometimes 4A teams for non district games

[brad@sunshinepreps]

Why is that?

[wide-e-wide]

I'll say it again...As long as Lufkin is playing in a district with Houston area teams...they are considered Houston area...thus ...they are the best team in the Houston area....period.

[myround0]

Wide-e-Wide, i got beat up for saying it but I will say it again, Ranked number two in the Houston Poll is the best team playing in the houston area, like it or lump it Houston you are stuck with the 800 pound gorilla known as the Lufkin Panthers... Put Katy up against them, put Sv up against them...Lufkin beats them both...Houston you have east texas BIGGEST PROBLEM

[lplatino]

don't forget clear lake they should be on a list of dark horses again

[ktrain]

Wide-e-Wide, i got beat up for saying it but I will say it again, Ranked number two in the Houston Poll is the best team playing in the houston area, like it or lump it Houston you are stuck with the 800 pound gorilla known as the Lufkin Panthers... Put Katy up against them, put Sv up against them...Lufkin beats them both...Houston you have east texas BIGGEST PROBLEM

Be careful of what you wish for. Beating Katy the first game of the season is a little easier than beating Katy the last game of the season, ask SLC, the team you cant seem to get past. We have a lot of respect for the Lufkin program and would love to settle it on the field in December.

[KT2000]

Why is that?

They legislated their way in.

[TexasRed6x]

Really not a bright question, its Westfield hands down. Then you have Katy, Northshore then the Woodlands. I would say Westfield would be 1,2,3,4,5,6 and then Katy ect.

[brad@sunshinepreps]

How many players did Westfield lose from Last years team

[dada]

How many players did Westfield lose from Last years team
Not Many....If my memory is correct..the return 7 offensive starters..and 5 defensive. All the guys that made them a contender last year are back at all the skill positions.

[Northshore Stang Parent06]

Houston area? Hmmmm Katy, Westfield, Northshore...HISD I would have to say Westside....watch out for Hightower. Also I think Elsik will make some noise. They remind me of Florida State. They may not win or contend for a championship, but they ALWAYS reload with athletes.


elsik should do ok but they will have to put in alot of hard work. my son is on the sophmore team and this year it was kinda wierd cause they split his team up to play elsik the soph starters played the jv b team and all though elsik had size they only managed 1 td against a smaller and younger north shore sophmore team. if this is any hint of what is to come about in tonights game this won't even be close.good luck to both teams pray no injuries and fair refs.

[dada]

elsik should do ok but they will have to put in alot of hard work. my son is on the sophmore team and this year it was kinda wierd cause they split his team up to play elsik the soph starters played the jv b team and all though elsik had size they only managed 1 td against a smaller and younger north shore sophmore team. if this is any hint of what is to come about in tonights game this won't even be close.good luck to both teams pray no injuries and fair refs.
Like I said earlier...no matter what the score ends up being...I like this game. These two schools always have athletes.

[nsmustang]

Westfield will be scary this year. They remind me a bit of '03 Shore with all their starters returning and loaded with talent. I'd love to see them play SLC but I know they would never make the same Division playoff bracket.

[brad@sunshinepreps]

How much did Westfield win by this weekend if they played?

[stangsfan]

How much did Westfield win by this weekend if they played?

They didn't play week zero. They open @ Cy Falls this Thursday. Go Stangs!

[ThEgReAtOnE]

1) Katy
2) Westfield
3) La Marque
4) Northshore
5) Clear Lake
6) Pearland
7) A&M Consolidated

Dark Horses...
Klein Forest
Madison
Texas City (They normally lose in the opening game -- like they did-- but always come on strong at the end of the year)
Aldine
Eisenhower

The team I think that will finish 8-2 or 7-3 and make a run in the playoffs is The Woodlands. (They'll straighten up from this wholloping Katy gave them. And actually the first 3 quarters was pretty good. The Woodlands made too many mistakes!!)
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:D Don't crap on the little guy...unless you can afford too!!

[dada]

1) Katy
2) Westfield
3) La Marque
4) Northshore
5) Clear Lake
6) Pearland
7) A&M Consolidated

Dark Horses...
Klein Forest
Madison
Texas City (They normally lose in the opening game -- like they did-- but always come on strong at the end of the year)
Aldine
Eisenhower

The team I think that will finish 8-2 or 7-3 and make a run in the playoffs is The Woodlands. (They'll straighten up from this wholloping Katy gave them. And actually the first 3 quarters was pretty good. The Woodlands made too many mistakes!!)
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:D Don't crap on the little guy...unless you can afford too!!

Being that this is a 5A board. I would take out Lamarque and Texas City.
I would also replace Madison with Lamar. I think Spring will have a good team this year also.