Jay Cutler

[QQQ]

Was not able to see the injured knee..... must have been his skirt covering it on the sideline...... may qualify as a 2011 wuss of the year.

[Favpack]

Minor contusion of the knee. :D I have no idea, but good grief.

[Point Made...]

I'm sure the two of you would tell Urlacher the same thing after he had his post-game interview backing up his QB...

[QQQ]

I'm sure the two of you would tell Urlacher the same thing after he had his post-game interview backing up his QB...

don't know the guy....

don't think this Urlacher fellow will be any happier in the morning when he reads about his panzie QB in every newspaper across America

If the QB can stand..... he's supposed to FINISH the game..... especially in the playoffs.

[mike03car]

Member of their OL was saying his knee was wobbling. That is very, very, very, very bad. Also, if you don't know Urlacher, then you don't have room to comment. He spent all of last year unable to play due to injured wrist. He is one of the toughest SOB's in the game and if he says someone's too hurt to play, BELIEVE it. He knows what a totally incapacitated joint feels like.

Did I mention the injury was bad?

[LeanderLions3033]

Don't know if you guys heard Lovie Smiths post game interview but he seemed furious about the Cutler "injury". He may have been injured but wow, that was the biggest game of his life by far.

[mike03car]

Sounded like to me he was furious at the tweets coming in from people sitting at home, even other players. Media and fans have the right to question, because it's the former's job and the latter pays the salaries indirectly. Other players, though, who are just sore wannabes, have no business whatsoever spouting off about another person's injury. That's a line you never cross in public, ever.

[yankee]

Well the reason the criticism is coming so harshly at Cutler is that he's proven in the past that he's not very tough, at least from the mental side. Denver fans do NOT like him.

[mike03car]

Follow up to Yankee: his mental toughness - try to do everything possible, put up more of a debate/resistance to the medical staff - was questioned by ESPN analyst and former SB winning QB Trent Dilfer, but also defended the physical nature and medical decision.

Follow up to my earlier reply - from Chris Berhman's report (and if one doesn't know him, they're not a sports fan) - "The veteran on the line, the center Olin Kreutz, was very adament, he said his knee was wobbling, I'm suprised he even tried in the third quarter".

I decided to look it up also - Olin Kreutz
http://www.wsbt.com/ct-spt-0124-bears-cutler--20110123,0,7221315.story
"He walked into the huddle, I could see his knee," Kreutz said. "When you tear a ligament it feels like there is nothing there. It's like it's wobbling and it gives out on you. If you don't have an MCL injury or whatever he has, then you don't understand."

Like yankee said, Jay's mental side is questioned; myself and the vast majority will concur. MRI on Jay's knee today.

[Dawg Fan]

If they find out his knee is really bad and he couldn't plant his foot to throw, everyone saying he is a wuss is going to look stupid. Someone please telly me why he wouldn't want to play in the NFC championship game. I think is a little early to call him out.

[JagFan]

Just heard about 20 minutes ago on ESPN radio it is a torn MCL. Now the commentators are saying it was not that he didn't play but his attitude on the sideline. He sat on the bench and pouted and didn't try to help the 3rd string QB.

[mad_fan]

Was not able to see the injured knee..... must have been his skirt covering it on the sideline...... may qualify as a 2011 wuss of the year.

This is the problem with the internet...
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On another note...there are a couple of kickers in the NFL I'd consider NOT TOUGH...but they didn't get sacked as many times (52 in the regular season)as Cutler this year...and they sure didn't get hit as hard...
I would have quit on that offensive line long before the NFC Championship game...

[QQQ]

This is the problem with the internet...
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On another note...there are a couple of kickers in the NFL I'd consider NOT TOUGH...but they didn't get sacked as many times (52 in the regular season)as Cutler this year...and they sure didn't get hit as hard...
I would have quit on that offensive line long before the NFC Championship game...

Day #2 and the heat is still coming..... players are now calling this Culter guy a pussycat (minus the kitty)

If its truly a sprain..... like today's reports are calling it..... the guy should return his gi-normous salary & refund his own local fans NFC Championship game tickets.

The NFC Championship........... & the guys leaves with a sprain..... for crying out loud, HS kids have shown more toughness than Sister Cutler

[LeanderLions3033]

Yeah you can play on a sprained MCL....ESPECIALLY if you are a qb who isnt exactly known for his mobility. Even though i dont think it was Cutlers decision to leave the game, this will haunt him for the rest of his career...

[mad_fan]

Day #2 and the heat is still coming..... players are now calling this Culter guy a pussycat (minus the kitty)

If its truly a sprain..... like today's reports are calling it..... the guy should return his gi-normous salary & refund his own local fans NFC Championship game tickets.

The NFC Championship........... & the guys leaves with a sprain..... for crying out loud, HS kids have shown more toughness than Sister Cutler

Yeah...they probably wish they had one of those great QBs of the past 15 years back...
:rolleyes:

Injury to the MCL can render the knee unstable, particularly for lateral mobility, but can also make it difficult to plant full weight through the leg. A quarterback needs to have the confidence to step up in the pocket and the strength to deliver the ball over that lead leg. He also needs to have the ability to scramble to avoid contact and protect himself. Smith addressed that issue in his news conference when he spoke of the medical decision to remove Cutler in the second half of Sunday's game. "You never want a player on the field if he can't protect himself or perform his duties," Smith said. He added that if the Bears had won Sunday, Cutler "would have been questionable" for the Super Bowl.

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I'm just weighing the information from the men in the know on the ground VS the internet pu$$y callers...
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[mad_fan]

Yeah you can play on a sprained MCL....ESPECIALLY if you are a qb who isnt exactly known for his mobility. Even though i dont think it was Cutlers decision to leave the game, this will haunt him for the rest of his career...

The somewhat vague description Smith provided of Cutler's injury does not add clarity to the situation. A sprain represents damage to a ligament, the connective tissue which, in joints such as the knee, connects one bone to another. There are varying degrees of sprains ranging from Grade I (minor, minimal structural damage) to Grade III (severe; essentially a complete ligament tear). All sprains, it could be argued, are tears since there is some form of tissue damage. It has become somewhat common, however, in the world of sports reporting to refer to a "torn" ligament only in the case of a complete tear, while the term "sprain" is generally used for lesser injuries. That said, caution is warranted when interpreting reports, as the terms are often used interchangeably. Without a specific grade of sprain, it's impossible to know just how significant Cutler's injury is.

Do you have inside info???

[mad_fan]

I should mention that the fact that Chicago fans are burning Cutler shirts makes me very happy...
The only thing greater would be watching Obama shirts being burned by Dems at their upcoming nominating convention...

Signed,
Chicago and Obama Hater...
:)

[Weber]

Had it been Brett Favre playing (figure of speech) would he stayed in there and played until the final whistle ?
You bet !
Heck I even remember Romo wanting to still play after hurting slash breaking his shoulder this season..
Cutler just didnt have any heart, had it been week 6 i would have understood but damn it boy.

[yankee]

Had it been Brett Favre playing (figure of speech) would he stayed in there and played until the final whistle ?
You bet !
Heck I even remember Romo wanting to still play after hurting slash breaking his shoulder this season..
Cutler just didnt have any heart, had it been week 6 i would have understood but damn it boy.

Did Favre ever play with a torn MCL? Just curious...

[SLC93]

Yeah you can play on a sprained MCL....ESPECIALLY if you are a qb who isnt exactly known for his mobility. Even though i dont think it was Cutlers decision to leave the game, this will haunt him for the rest of his career...

I think this is extremely judgemental and a tad flipant. Not to call you out specifically because I know this opinion is shared by many but let's get real here, folks. The injury was diagnosed as a grade 2 sprain of the MCL. That's a 4-6 week recovery time under most circumstance.

None of you have yet mentioned the fact the field was frozen.

Only one person has even mentioned the sack total that line and, more specifically MIke Mart's offense, give up. The kid went down over 50 times this year. The nature of that offense is to hold the ball until the moment before a defender gets hit with max options in the routes and minimum protection kept in. Ask Warner and Bulger how their bodies felt after a few seasons in that offense.

Oh, and the kid is the only type I diabetic playing taking snaps in the league. None of us have any idea how that effects pain thresholds, stamina, energy or attitude. Even if you have this disease I can assure you you are not putting your body through what he does.

I'm not a Bears fan. Even when they're good they are tough to watch. I've never cared much for Cutler. I havent' seen the growth out of him I expected. Having said all of that, there's a huge percentage of you that need to go bathe in reality.

[SLC93]

Had it been Brett Favre playing (figure of speech) would he stayed in there and played until the final whistle ?
You bet !
Heck I even remember Romo wanting to still play after hurting slash breaking his shoulder this season..
Cutler just didnt have any heart, had it been week 6 i would have understood but damn it boy.

Brett Favre has stayed on the field to the point he's a detrement to his team's cause as many times as it has helped. Do not confuse a bout of egomaniacal behavior with bravery.

Romo always wants to play. He's an understated warrior. You're in no position to question Cutler here, though. He went out and tested the knee. It wasn't working. You also have no idea if the medical staff shelved him. Just because he could have handled his demeanor a little better doesn't mean any of us have the right to think we know how he felt.

[SLC93]

The worst decision of the day was not going to Hanie to begin with. What if that kid had the entire second half to work with? If that is his typical performance then the shame is on the coaching staff for holding on to Collins as the back up. That cost them the SB.

[QQQ]

Amazing...... on this tough-guy website.... seeing a few lining up behind a professional QB.... a guy who took every practice snap in preparation for the NFC championship game..... makes bgillions to perform his trade....... the guy that is key to making the O go from the beginning...... and some are handing the guy a "pass" when he can't return in the most important game of the season.

Think a second about his teammates who aren't in the same solar system in salary, many who peddle year to year to make even an arena team. Dang right, they'd be hot. They are the ones that do the heavy lifting anyway.

If the dude would have taken the field and attempted at least one additional snap in the 2nd half..... shown a fraction of courage..... this whole thread wouldn't have ever seen the light of day.

The irony here is that the captain of the ship got in the lifeboat and sailed to the sunny shores and left the rest of the crew and the passengers in the turbulent seas to figure it out on their own.

Done.... forever on this one...... gotta go read the book "The Softening of America".....

[Maroondog]

Brett Favre has stayed on the field to the point he's a detrement to his team's cause as many times as it has helped. Do not confuse a bout of egomaniacal behavior with bravery.

Romo always wants to play. He's an understated warrior. You're in no position to question Cutler here, though. He went out and tested the knee. It wasn't working. You also have no idea if the medical staff shelved him. Just because he could have handled his demeanor a little better doesn't mean any of us have the right to think we know how he felt.

Don't give a rats a$$ about Cutler one way or the other. However, if any player especially the QB is limited in his ability to perform, why would you want him out there in the first place?

Hobbling around on one leg showing how brave you are while getting blasted by defensive linemen is not the recipe for success as a team. Also, if he does have quitting in him, why do you want him out there?

Certainly there was no guarantee that Chicago wins with Cutler in or out of the game anyway.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Some of y'all need to quit. "Torn" MCL...enough said! He tried to play on it and it didn't workout. Not to mention, he was already getting torn a new one because of his o-line not protecting him.

And, as for the players who were calling him out on Twitter, every single last one of those players that called him out played on teams that did NOT even qualify for the playoffs this year. Need I say more? They need to shut the f*** up too.

[SV61]

The worst decision of the day was not going to Hanie to begin with. What if that kid had the entire second half to work with? If that is his typical performance then the shame is on the coaching staff for holding on to Collins as the back up. That cost them the SB.

I am somewhat glad, that Chicago did not win this game, with Hanie. I think that, like him or hate him, Cutler gave Chicago the best chance to win. I would hate for any team to limp into a game against Pittsburgh, with two weeks to prepare.

Having said that, I saw some promise outta Hanie. Nothing, that some more experience might do nothing but get better.

[Longverines]

Some of y'all need to quit. "Torn" MCL...enough said! He tried to play on it and it didn't workout. Not to mention, he was already getting torn a new one because of his o-line not protecting him.

And, as for the players who were calling him out on Twitter, every single last one of those players that called him out played on teams that did NOT even qualify for the playoffs this year. Need I say more? They need to shut the f*** up too.drew brees in the playoffs called him out

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

drew brees in the playoffs called him out

But, there were many others who called him out that didn't qualify at all.

I hate to see anyone get injured but, I'd also like to see others try to function on a torn MCL. If it's like playing on something that isn't even there, then we're probably talking about something that could be career-threatening if it gets worse. Dude tried to give it a go after injuring it, and it didn't workout. Not only does it hurt him, but that also could hurt the team as well by trying to play on it.

[JagFan]

My son had a grade 2 sprain on his MCL. It was very painful. He was able to do everything he needed to do IF he was only going straight ahead. If he tried to turn or put his whole weight on that knee it hurt like heck and collasped. The good news about a MCL sprain is it does not require surgery to fix if other ligaments are not invovled. The ortho doc on the sideline told me he tore his MCL and said he would know the extent after an MRI the next week but we needed to look at at least 6 weeks recovery time. So the doctors knew during the game what they were looking at. They knew his knee would not support his weight or any turning.

If you saw my son after the injury you would not know he was hurt. He ran laps during practice to stay fit and needed no crutches after the first few days. He did wear a brace so he could not turn the knee so it could heal. What he could not do is go in any direction but straight ahead, forget about cutting in to make a tackle or putting his full weight in it. And yes he fought to see if there was not a brace or something he could do to get back out there. It is a very frustrating injury because you can still do a lot, he just couldn't do what he needed to do for his job on the field.

So no Cutler is not a whimp and should not have gone back out there. If the knee would not have held his weight it would not have helped his team win.

[SLC93]

I am somewhat glad, that Chicago did not win this game, with Hanie. I think that, like him or hate him, Cutler gave Chicago the best chance to win. I would hate for any team to limp into a game against Pittsburgh, with two weeks to prepare.

Having said that, I saw some promise outta Hanie. Nothing, that some more experience might do nothing but get better.

NO, I'm totally with you. My point was the real story wasn't Cutler being unable to finish it was the ineptitude of the backup and the brilliance of the 3rd team guy. That misevaluation was the in gmae decision that cost Chicago, not the one on Cutler's availability.

GB/Pitt was and is the best matchup we could have gotten out of the playoff field, imo.

[SLC93]

drew brees in the playoffs called him out

Unusual move for him but still no more correct than the others, imo.

[SLC93]

My son had a grade 2 sprain on his MCL. It was very painful. He was able to do everything he needed to do IF he was only going straight ahead. If he tried to turn or put his whole weight on that knee it hurt like heck and collasped. The good news about a MCL sprain is it does not require surgery to fix if other ligaments are not invovled. The ortho doc on the sideline told me he tore his MCL and said he would know the extent after an MRI the next week but we needed to look at at least 6 weeks recovery time. So the doctors knew during the game what they were looking at. They knew his knee would not support his wait or any turning.

If you saw my son after the injury you would not know he was hurt. He ran laps during practice to stay fit and needed no crutches after the first few days. He did wear a brace so he could not turn the knee so it could heal. What he could not do is go in any direction but straight ahead, forget about cutting in to make a tackle or putting his full weight in it. And yes he fought to see if there was not a brace or something he could do to get back out there. It is a very frustrating injury because you can still do a lot, he just couldn't do what he needed to do for his job on the field.

So no Cutler is not a whimp and should not have gone back out there. If the knee would not have held his weight it would not have helped his team win.

The voice of reason. Now, to the naysayers, take this description of physical limitation and insert it into a game played on a frozen field with some of the best players in the league pursuing the injured.

[JagFan]

The voice of reason. Now, to the naysayers, take this description of physical limitation and insert it into a game played on a frozen field with some of the best players in the league pursuing the injured.

He would have cost his team even more and possibly gotten his whole knee blown out. For the future they are lucky in the fact that it is "just" the MCL.

I know when my son tore his. He had made the tackle and I saw him limp a little as he ran off the field. The trainers saw it too and went over to him. He tried to show them he could run just fine by running back and forth. Then the ortho doc made a motion with his hand for him to turn in as he was running. That is when he went down and the doc did his thing with looking at the knee and moving the ligaments. Like I said it is a very frustrating injury and very deceiving because you can do somethings.

[Point Made...]

Amazing...... on this tough-guy website.... seeing a few lining up behind a professional QB.... a guy who took every practice snap in preparation for the NFC championship game..... makes bgillions to perform his trade....... the guy that is key to making the O go from the beginning...... and some are handing the guy a "pass" when he can't return in the most important game of the season.

Think a second about his teammates who aren't in the same solar system in salary, many who peddle year to year to make even an arena team. Dang right, they'd be hot. They are the ones that do the heavy lifting anyway.

If the dude would have taken the field and attempted at least one additional snap in the 2nd half..... shown a fraction of courage..... this whole thread wouldn't have ever seen the light of day.

The irony here is that the captain of the ship got in the lifeboat and sailed to the sunny shores and left the rest of the crew and the passengers in the turbulent seas to figure it out on their own.

Done.... forever on this one...... gotta go read the book "The Softening of America".....


Monday morning QB providing play-by-play on a knee injury he's never had to suffer through...

rant-and-rave...duly noted. :rolleyes:

[mike03car]

If the dude would have taken the field and attempted at least one additional snap in the 2nd half..... shown a fraction of courage..... this whole thread wouldn't have ever seen the light of day.

What game did you watch? Jay was out there for the first series in the second half. Had two weak passes that were short and off the mark due to not being able to plant or push off the leg. It was the Chicago Bear staff whom decided he's done for the day even though Cutler wanted to go back out. That's what Lovie Smith stated and to direct any blame or anger at himself and his staff; or are all the detractors choosing not to believe one of the most respected current NFL coaches and calling him a bold-faced liar?

Gotta love the way the vast minority of the NFL players whom are supposed to be a "UNION" stuck up for Cutler. :rolleyes:

[mike03car]

my son had a grade 2 sprain on his mcl. It was very painful. He was able to do everything he needed to do if he was only going straight ahead. If he tried to turn or put his whole weight on that knee it hurt like heck and collasped. The good news about a mcl sprain is it does not require surgery to fix if other ligaments are not invovled. The ortho doc on the sideline told me he tore his mcl and said he would know the extent after an mri the next week but we needed to look at at least 6 weeks recovery time. So the doctors knew during the game what they were looking at. They knew his knee would not support his weight or any turning.

If you saw my son after the injury you would not know he was hurt. He ran laps during practice to stay fit and needed no crutches after the first few days. He did wear a brace so he could not turn the knee so it could heal. What he could not do is go in any direction but straight ahead, forget about cutting in to make a tackle or putting his full weight in it. And yes he fought to see if there was not a brace or something he could do to get back out there. It is a very frustrating injury because you can still do a lot, he just couldn't do what he needed to do for his job on the field.

So no cutler is not a whimp and should not have gone back out there. If the knee would not have held his weight it would not have helped his team win.

AMEN.

Ya know, Winston Churchill once stated “a lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to put its pants on.” In this case, it was the sentiment that Jay Cutler was a quitter that whipped around the globe instantly due to text messaging, Twitter, etc. So easy to make a quick judgement rather than awaiting the official medical prognosis and follow up full report.

[JagFan]

AMEN.

Ya know, Winston Churchill once stated “a lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to put its pants on.” In this case, it was the sentiment that Jay Cutler was a quitter that whipped around the globe instantly due to text messaging, Twitter, etc. So easy to make a quick judgement rather than awaiting the official medical prognosis and follow up full report.

It is not an injury where you are lying on the ground in pain and holding your knee. You don't have to be carted off on a stretcher. But it is just as serious as those type injuries. Again it can be deceiving because you can walk or run- straight ahead.

[SLC93]

What game did you watch? Jay was out there for the first series in the second half. Had two weak passes that were short and off the mark due to not being able to plant or push off the leg. It was the Chicago Bear staff whom decided he's done for the day even though Cutler wanted to go back out. That's what Lovie Smith stated and to direct any blame or anger at himself and his staff; or are all the detractors choosing not to believe one of the most respected current NFL coaches and calling him a bold-faced liar?

Gotta love the way the vast minority of the NFL players whom are supposed to be a "UNION" stuck up for Cutler. :rolleyes:

All the union is to most of those cats is perceived leverage to a bigger payday.

[BDB]

well if IIIII (arm-chair qb/thread starter) were cutler IIIIII would have been playing even if my knees had blown out because IIIIIII am a man. not some vajayjay like cutler.

torn mcl? pffffffft. wipe some dirt on it and run straight forward the rest of the game, you pansy.

[mike03car]

It is not an injury where you are lying on the ground in pain and holding your knee. You don't have to be carted off on a stretcher. But it is just as serious as those type injuries. Again it can be deceiving because you can walk or run- straight ahead.

Yup, with ya on same side again. Jay's was serious enough just and your son's similarly.

[mad_fan]

well if IIIII (arm-chair qb/thread starter) were cutler IIIIII would have been playing even if my knees had blown out because IIIIIII am a man. not some vajayjay like cutler.

torn mcl? pffffffft. wipe some dirt on it and run straight forward the rest of the game, you pansy.

My first thought...
BDB is tougher than Jay...
:rolleyes:

[Hoodleboy80]

I trust a professional medical staff, a NFL head coach as well as a NFL quarterback over some high school fans on a message board. I understand the complaints against Cutler for the lack of communication with his 3rd string quarterback, but to say that he should have played while far more qualified experts say he shouldn't have? Maybe folks on this board have experienced the same injury, but no injury is exactly alike, and just because a few athletes tweeted insults (some of whom now say they were joking) does not mean that Cutler was still physically able to play.

[E-Vol-ution]

The deck was stacked......Cutler is a very easy guy to dislike and reading his face and actions (or lack of) fuel it further.
I don't care for the guy at all........but if Lovie holds him out, that's all to it.
I liked the third string guy better than everybody except Rodgers anyway.

[mike03car]

Philip Rivers was sticking up for him during an interview after a Pro Bowl practice today.

[BDB]

My first thought...
BDB is tougher than Jay...
:rolleyes:

you didn't know that? :rolleyes:

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Philip Rivers was sticking up for him during an interview after a Pro Bowl practice today.

That's all that needs to be said right there. Philip and Jay can't stand each other and if Philip is sticking up for him, that says a lot.

[mike03car]

http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2011/02/jay_cutler_received_painkiller.html

Amid questions that he didn't try hard enough to play through a knee injury, Bears quarterback Jay Cutler received a painkiller shot at halftime of the NFC title game, a source close to the situation told the Sun-Times.

It's believed Cutler injured his knee on the first play of the second quarter, when Green Bay Packers defensive lineman Ryan Pickett landed on his left knee, as he attempted a short pass to running back Matt Forte. Cutler headed to the locker room for halftime ahead of his teammates, and doctors and trainers confirmed their initial, on-field assessment.

It's believed the team planned to shelve him for the remainder of the game, at that point. But that Cutler insisted on trying to play and received a painkiller injection to ease the pain.

He returned to the field a few minutes after the rest of his teammates, and he led the offense on the opening series of the second half. But on a handoff to Forte, Cutler's knee buckled, and he left the game for good after that three-and-out series.

On Monday morning, an MRI showed that Cutler suffered a Grade II MCL tear, an injury that typically sidelines athletes for three to six weeks.