Who has the best chance of ending Southlake Carrols unbeatable district record?

[stangsalltheway]

tell me what you think....

[DragonBand06]

Nobody on THAT list!
Lufkin has the best chance I think.
But that's just my opinion...

[stangsalltheway]

Nobody on THAT list!
Lufkin has the best chance I think.
But that's just my opinion...
the key is "district" record obviously it has 2 one of those 4 teams it cant be lufkin

[dragons08]

well, i can care less about this southlake 'carrol' you speak of

but i do care about southlake carrolL...i say has the best CHANCE to beat southlake, will they? who knows..thats why they play the games

[Dds115]

He was asking about district.....

[dragons08]

the key is "district" record obviously it has 2 one of those 4 teams it cant be lufkin
i wonder who put grapevine? :p

well, i put nobody, due to the fact my choice isnt up there, and i prefer for it to stay nobody anyways :D

[dragons08]

He was asking about district.....
oh, okay, it stays NOBODY like i said..i really expect carroll to come out of district 7-0 (most likely 10-0, with non-distrcit games)

[Slim-Rob]

nobody. Easy district

[Firebird]

I can't pick anyone. In my estimation though, it happens like this:

One team that is kind of midrange in the district gets super fired up. SLC isn't. The stars align, Mercury is in the proper house, all the breaks go one way, and the mediocre team shocks the rest of the state. I wouldn't even be surprised if then SLC went on to a title or a long playoff run. Things just seem to shake out that way in HS football. I can't tell you how many times I have watched my Cardinals screw the pooch on an undefeated, outright district title by losing to a team they should have beaten. Happens everywhere else too. It will to SLC, but it won't be the end of the world.

[drgnbkr]

I just don't see anyone in 5-5A beating the Dragons in 06. It could happen in the playoffs, lots of reloading to do..not in 5-5A though

[Firebird]

I just don't see anyone in 5-5A beating the Dragons in 06. It could happen in the playoffs, lots of reloading to do..not in 5-5A though

I def. agree that they shouldn't lose to anyone in 5-5a in 06. I don't think they will this year, but I am telling you, when they do, it will be to someone no one expects.

[dragons08]

I def. agree that they shouldn't lose to anyone in 5-5a in 06. I don't think they will this year, but I am telling you, when they do, it will be to someone no one expects.
like richland...wow thatd be like a PAINFUL blow, seriously, no offense to richland or anything, but wowww

[Firebird]

Don't know about Richland, I think SLC has too much pride to let that happen. Like I said, it will not be a horrible team, just a mediocre one that hasn't fulfilled its potential, cathcing SLC on a good night for them and a bad night for the Dragons.

[FeeltheHaka]

Next year, no one will be able to touch Southlake. Especially in their district.
If Southlake loses next year, it will be to themselves.

[SLC13]

the key is "district" record obviously it has 2 one of those 4 teams it cant be lufkin
Hey "stangs",......better check next year's 5-5A realignment again, Fossil Ridge dropped down to 4A......

Regarding the question at hand, I wouldn't be surprised if the new Haltom coach works some magic there and turns that program into a playoff team and some pretty salty competition.

[dragons08]

Don't know about Richland, I think SLC has too much pride to let that happen. Like I said, it will not be a horrible team, just a mediocre one that hasn't fulfilled its potential, cathcing SLC on a good night for them and a bad night for the Dragons.
like how grapevine ALMOST pulled the upset..that was a weird game, it appeard on paper we DOMINATED, but gpvine made key plays and was almost there at the end..i think that game, was a wake up call

[clemensbuff]

The one who snaps their district win streak will be the one that plays a perfect game that is coupled with a less than perfect SLC game. Bottom line is that to beat them you'll have to be better than just a 'good football team' and SLC will have to have an off night. They are rolling and it will be tough to stop them. Let's face it, Katy, and only Katy can say that they have beaten the best in the last 4 years!

[dragonsdaddy]

certainly not fridge, at least not in this series. i would say that haltom has the best shot, simply due to their coaching.

[stangsalltheway]

Hey "stangs",......better check next year's 5-5A realignment again, Fossil Ridge dropped down to 4A......

Regarding the question at hand, I wouldn't be surprised if the new Haltom coach works some magic there and turns that program into a playoff team and some pretty salty competition.
ya my bad as soon as i posted that bulletin i was like oh crap i 4got ridge aint in it anymore

[BAMF cowboy]

slc wont lose in 5-5a, not anytime soon

[RidgePride]

slc wont lose in 5-5a, not anytime soon
Grapevine maybe

[ktCarl]

Who is SLC's biggest District rival?

[stangsalltheway]

Who is SLC's biggest District rival?
this year.... I would def. have 2 say Grapevine, and im not just sayin that b/c I am a Grapevine fan but i mean look at the district and you have to go with them, I mean come on the only thing that seperates there stadiums is railroad tracks, there stadiums are litterally 1/2 mile apart and b/c of the scare gvine gave them last year you could only say that Gvine is

[ktCarl]

this year.... I would def. have 2 say Grapevine, and im not just sayin that b/c I am a Grapevine fan but i mean look at the district and you have to go with them, I mean come on the only thing that seperates there stadiums is railroad tracks, there stadiums are litterally 1/2 mile apart and b/c of the scare gvine gave them last year you could only say that Gvine is

I forgot that Southlake has semi-recently jumped into 5A so maybe their biggest district rivals were left behind in 4A or 3A. I wonder who the Southlake fans feel are their biggest 5A district rivals.

[dragons08]

this year.... I would def. have 2 say Grapevine, and im not just sayin that b/c I am a Grapevine fan but i mean look at the district and you have to go with them, I mean come on the only thing that seperates there stadiums is railroad tracks, there stadiums are litterally 1/2 mile apart and b/c of the scare gvine gave them last year you could only say that Gvine is
yeah, its cool..standing in panther-mustang..and looking to my right, to see Dragon Stadium looking down on the stadium/game

[BAMF cowboy]

grapevine was definitely the best game by far, but i get the feeling there is more hatred between keller and slc. grapevine didnt even fill the stands.

Coppell was Carroll's biggest rival, until they copped out and wont play us

[dragons08]

grapevine was definitely the best game by far, but i get the feeling there is more hatred between keller and slc. grapevine didnt even fill the stands.

Coppell was Carroll's biggest rival, until they copped out and wont play us
the 'rival' games that filled the stands..were Heritage and Coppell

[DragonBand06]

the 'rival' games that filled the stands..were Heritage and Coppell
Yeah, there's a bit of hatred between us and CHHS.
Especially after they booed our alma mater... let's just say "flame chargrilled panther" :D

[ktCarl]

grapevine was definitely the best game by far, but i get the feeling there is more hatred between keller and slc. grapevine didnt even fill the stands.

Coppell was Carroll's biggest rival, until they copped out and wont play us

There were Keller kids sitting on Katy's side during last years State Final including some of their football squad.

[ktCarl]

Yeah, there's a bit of hatred between us and CHHS.
Especially after they booed our alma mater... let's just say "flame chargrilled panther" :D

Booing another school's Alma Mater is classless.

[KT2000]

I think "when will Southlake be stopped before the state game?" is a better question, but we've covered that one too. :)

Forget district. It'll be a landmark accomplishment for the first team to keep them out of the state game.

[dragonfootballfan]

Yeah, there's a bit of hatred between us and CHHS.
Especially after they booed our alma mater... let's just say "flame chargrilled panther" :D
don't forget the whole steroid thing with CHHS

[dragonsdaddy]

for years gv and slc were in different classes and didn't play(can't blame gv for not wanting the embarrassment of losing to a 3a school), and only had 4 years in the same district. those games were always close and hard fought. chhs is too new and really hasn't found any traction on the gridiron. keller is an older rival, but none compares to coppell, which goes back to the early 60s.

[toonman]

Dragon Scout Team

[mustangs9]

So let me get this straight. SLC is losing 50 + seniors and returning 2 players on defense and 1 on offense. They are losing their whole offensive line and all of their recievers. And yall are telling me that they are going to be unbeatable next year because they have the coaches son at qb?

[dragons08]

So let me get this straight. SLC is losing 50 + seniors and returning 2 players on defense and 1 on offense. They are losing their whole offensive line and all of their recievers. And yall are telling me that they are going to be unbeatable next year because they have the coaches son at qb?
unbeatable? no..but very good and unbeatable in district...appears last year a lot of backups got playing time in blowouts, also when in a good system, you just plug in players

we dont know, how it'll turn out, we can only guess and hope

[mustangs9]

But all of the backups that had playing time in blowouts were seniors.

[dragonsdaddy]

But all of the backups that had playing time in blowouts were seniors.
that is not true thankfully. except at wr, there were several jrs who saw some time. these same kids will have had an extra season, compared to your mustangs, of practice time with the best coaching staff in the area over their hs career.

[mustangs9]

Grapevines skill positions on offense will all consist of juniors next year along with most of the secondary. These same kids will have an extra year too.

[drgnbkr]

Grapevines skill positions on offense will all consist of juniors next year along with most of the secondary. These same kids will have an extra year too.

I think what ddaddy is referring to is the extra year of practice time due to 6 playoff games per year...

[mustangs9]

Whatever. I'm just saying that yall are going to have alot of inexperienced players next year, even if some of your players got some "extra" time in.

[LoneRocket]

This thread sounds like Westlake a few years ago, hint hint.

[FeeltheHaka]

Next year, Southlake will not mess around when it comes to Grapevine. I am predicting that Southlakes wins by at least 30 points. No hating on Grapevine, my best friend went there; but Southlake will have an axe to grind.
I am going to go out on a limb, and predict that Southlake wins all their games next year by at least 25. That includes the state finals. Southlake is circling their wagons like never before, and I've heard of a few players taking some speed training at velocity this summer. Everyone here can throw it in my face if Southlake either loses, or wins any games by less than 25.

[ALLIN]

Now THAT, is a bold post.......wow! Please note that that was not posted by a SLC fan or resident.

[KT2000]

Haka, bold, but I wouldn't even predict that if they returned half of their starters. Only a select few teams in the history of Texas High School Football have ever dominated to that extent.

[dragonsdaddy]

i'm thinking haka got carried away with his prediction and meant to stop with the 25+ in the reg season. even that is a little premature, at least until we see who will replace the ol and wr's.

[SLCDad]

nobody. Easy district . . . same for area, region and state in SLC's eyes. :D

[mustangs9]

Yall are already judging yalls qb on the info that he is good at 7 on 7? that doesnt mean anything. Riley is the same qb that through an interception every other game.The same qb that through the int. in the Grapevine game that got ran back for a touchdown.

[dragons08]

Yall are already judging yalls qb on the info that he is good at 7 on 7? that doesnt mean anything. Riley is the same qb that through an interception every other game.The same qb that through the int. in the Grapevine game that got ran back for a touchdown.
the same qb, that made major contributions in his playing time

[mustangs9]

ya but he played reciever and running back. i'll admit that he is pretty good but he just doesnt have much experience at qb besides the 2 or 3 plays he went in every game or so.

[drgnbkr]

Yall are already judging yalls qb on the info that he is good at 7 on 7? that doesnt mean anything. Riley is the same qb that through an interception every other game.The same qb that through the int. in the Grapevine game that got ran back for a touchdown.


Stang, Stang, Stang....:rolleyes: Scoreboard.....:cool:

[dragonsdaddy]

ya but he played reciever and running back. i'll admit that he is pretty good but he just doesnt have much experience at qb besides the 2 or 3 plays he went in every game or so.
for a gv fan, you certainly claim to know more than you do. if you were a player, then you would have seen the films, so that must not be right. if you were a gv fan, you would have been able to see only the po games, so you may not be aware that during most of the reg season rd played about 1/4 of the snaps and did pretty well, with good enough stats to make us old timers jeajous. when you state as facts that which are merely opinions it will often draw someone offsides, and maybe that is your goal.
btw, it is good to see some gv support, as they weren't getting muchlove last few years. now if they can make a playoff again someday, you'll really be able to crow.

[dragonsdaddy]

ya but he played reciever and running back. i'll admit that he is pretty good but he just doesnt have much experience at qb besides the 2 or 3 plays he went in every game or so.
if you remember, there was a fair to middlin qb over this way that made gv look silly, who played only wr as a soph. exdpect more of the same this fall.

[DragonBand06]

ya but he played reciever and running back. i'll admit that he is pretty good but he just doesnt have much experience at qb besides the 2 or 3 plays he went in every game or so.
We ARE talking about the QB who played every third series in the regular season and threw for at least a few TD's all season, right?

[dragons08]

We ARE talking about the QB who played every third series in the regular season and threw for at least a few TD's all season, right?
he played THE 3rd series of a game, then would play based on score, time left, etc

[stangsalltheway]

So let me get this straight. SLC is losing 50 + seniors and returning 2 players on defense and 1 on offense. They are losing their whole offensive line and all of their recievers. And yall are telling me that they are going to be unbeatable next year because they have the coaches son at qb?
damn straight

[drgnbkr]

damn straight

Three titles in 4 years with 3 different QB's...why not?

[CCHS77]

ya but he played reciever and running back. i'll admit that he is pretty good but he just doesnt have much experience at qb besides the 2 or 3 plays he went in every game or so.



For those questioning R Dodge’s ‘05 stats (I apologize if anyone else has posted), but below are Riley’s totals from DMN;

Riley Dodge

Rushing
ATTs-80 YARDs-665 Tds-6

Passing
C-A-I - 33-53-2 YARDs-508 Tds-7

Receiving
Catches-20 YARDs-251 Tds-0

[svcenter53]

Nobody on THAT list!
Lufkin has the best chance I think.
But that's just my opinion...
If you woulod read the question it says DISTRICT...wow some people ae dumb, but if you wanna say ANYBODY i may have to agree with u and and say either lufkin, smithson valley, or katy!

[RPM]

SLC should put Seguin on there scheudule..theyll be in for a long night with that powerhouse.. :eek:

[drgnbkr]

SLC should put Seguin on there scheudule..theyll be in for a long night with that powerhouse.. :eek:

Dragons and Matadors! I'm in....

[CKE]

SLC should put Seguin on there scheudule..theyll be in for a long night with that powerhouse.. :eek:

come on now we dont want SLC players getting hurt in pre season now do we :p

[mustangs9]

he may of had some good stats last year.but im pretty sure he had a pretty damn good line. arent they all seniors this year...along with the secondary..and recievers.

[Sakatha]

he may of had some good stats last year.but im pretty sure he had a pretty damn good line. arent they all seniors this year...along with the secondary..and recievers.

If you are refering to Riley, 0 of his yards were from outstanding line play. Although the o-line was tremendous. You would have to watch Riley to understand.

Regarding the secondary and receivers(unsure why this matter), they were all SRs in 06... 07 is a different story.

~DnM

[SLCDad]

he may of had some good stats last year.but im pretty sure he had a pretty damn good line. arent they all seniors this year...along with the secondary..and recievers.This reminds me of all the trash talk about a few other SLC players over the last couple of years. Like . . . McElroy is slow and will never replace Daniel . . . and . . . Newton is a baby and SLC will never be as good with Luna being gone. McElroy and Newton did just fine (just ask Plano, Lufkin and Katy).

I also remember some of my Grapevine friends disrespecting SLC back in the 3A days when they were winning championships and didn't lose a district game in almost 8 years because they said "SLC never played anybody". Now that SLC has beaten the best of the best you'd think the Gravpvine folks would learn. I guess not . . . at least in this case.

I don't know if SLC will be great again this year but I wouldn't bet against them. Further, most high school teams would love to have a talent like Riley Dodge.

[drgnbkr]

This reminds me of all the trash talk about a few other SLC players over the last couple of years. Like . . . McElroy is slow and will never replace Daniel . . . and . . . Newton is a baby and SLC will never be as good with Luna being gone. McElroy and Newton did just fine (just ask Plano, Lufkin and Katy).

I also remember some of my Grapevine friends disrespecting SLC back in the 3A days when they were winning championships and didn't lose a district game in almost 8 years because they said "SLC never played anybody". Now that SLC has beaten the best of the best you'd think the Gravpvine folks would learn. I guess not . . . at least in this case.

I don't know if SLC will be great again this year but I wouldn't bet against them. Further, most high school teams would love to have a talent like Riley Dodge.

Our stangs friend is just wishing for a return to the playoffs...he's frustrated...

[mustangs9]

slcdad...do you remember 96...jack brewer...aaaaaaahahahaha

[dragonfootballfan]

slcdad...do you remember 96...jack brewer...aaaaaaahahahaha
you have to go back to 1996 for smack. Now that is weak

[dragons08]

you have to go back to 1996 for smack. Now that is weak
or he goes future

[dragonfootballfan]

or he goes future
I think that was our other friend. And that was not just future, but three seasons into the future.

[dragonsdaddy]

slcdad...do you remember 96...jack brewer...aaaaaaahahahaha
you only remember it because you dad or brother told you about it or you've seen film. did the folks take you or did they get a baby-sitter.

[mustangs9]

first of all i was at that game.. but young but i still remember playing in carrolls old ****** stadium..and why are you trassh talking to kids when you have no life bc you are probly like 30 or 40 yrs old.

[mustangs9]

ok what else is there to think about if i thought about right now then i would be talking about slc's work out program or how they just got started w/ 7on7 so why not talk about the past or future?

[dragonsdaddy]

or maybe the secrets in the use of punctuation.

[dragons08]

first of all i was at that game.. but young but i still remember playing in carrolls old ****** stadium..and why are you trassh talking to kids when you have no life bc you are probly like 30 or 40 yrs old.
guess that could be reversed now huh? i hate mustang-panther...team doesnt fit in the locker room, parking is on oneside, and its WORSE than Dragon Stadium

[mustangs9]

ya man i can see how the visitors hate it but its actually pretty nice if you are on the home side. i mean the visitor locker room is terrible. and we are getting rid of grass so we will have yalls kind next year.

[dragons08]

ya man i can see how the visitors hate it but its actually pretty nice if you are on the home side. i mean the visitor locker room is terrible. and we are getting rid of grass so we will have yalls kind next year.
i hate that parking situation as well..if a dragon car parks over there, chances are someting will happen to it..glad CISD offered to have bus shuttles

[drgnbkr]

ya man i can see how the visitors hate it but its actually pretty nice if you are on the home side. i mean the visitor locker room is terrible. and we are getting rid of grass so we will have yalls kind next year.

There is definately plenty of room on the home side for Grapevine games! I can see where it would be nice..No one shows up...you guys maybe need to consider renting Stephenville's fans....don't have many of your own...

[mustangs9]

maybe bc its all middle school kids and the losers that stand at the top..and atleast we dont make the home side seat 200 people so yall can have more of advantage.

[dragons08]

maybe bc its all middle school kids and the losers that stand at the top..and atleast we dont make the home side seat 200 people so yall can have more of advantage.
we dont either..who said something about 200 people??:confused:

[RidgePride]

i hate that parking situation as well..if a dragon car parks over there, chances are someting will happen to it..glad CISD offered to have bus shuttles
The only thing I hate about parking at Dragon stadium is having to pay to park.

thats ridiculous for a high school football game.

[dragons08]

The only thing I hate about parking at Dragon stadium is having to pay to park.

thats ridiculous for a high school football game.
band parks free:D

[dragonsdaddy]

The only thing I hate about parking at Dragon stadium is having to pay to park.

thats ridiculous for a high school football game.
not nearly as ridiculous as having to pay close to half of our school tax receipts into robin hood. that money has to be replced somehow.

[FeeltheHaka]

not nearly as ridiculous as having to pay close to half of our school tax receipts into robin hood. that money has to be replced somehow.

Oh no, don't get me started on the Robin Hood debate. I don't exactly see any suffering in Southlake.

[dragonsdaddy]

Oh no, don't get me started on the Robin Hood debate. I don't exactly see any suffering in Southlake.
you aren't working overtime like i am to afford to support the rest of the socialists and communists who think i should be glad to share. take your socialism elsewhere, tyvm.

[slorch]

SMU MIGHT(!) be able to beat them.

[PonyExpress81]

tell me what you think....
Poor district, let me be the first to congratulate you on another district championship for the 2006 season!!

[FeeltheHaka]

you aren't working overtime like i am to afford to support the rest of the socialists and communists who think i should be glad to share. take your socialism elsewhere, tyvm.

Give me a break. Between the Gerrymandering of your district lines, and your sports facilities; if you work overtime to pay for this, then this is the bed you all made. Come down to the real world like the rest of us, then tell us different. Go visit some of the poor schools then call out the socialism card.
I think you should research what socialism really is before you make this comparison.
This is a long term, real world way to look at it. If Johnny does not get an education, and drops out of school; then Johnny and his friends show up on your door step armed and ready. Also, Johnny; because of lack of education catches a disease and spreads it to us all. Educating Johnny is cheaper than paying for Johnny's health care, or taking care of the cost of Jonny's crime. It is cheaper than paying for a year of Johnny in prison. Also, how about turning Johnny in to a tax payer instead of a drain on the tax system. It is also cheaper to educate Johnny than to have Johnny make 5 little Johnnys who will be continuing the cycle, and further draining the system.
I don't understand Supply sider's short sided narrow point of view on things. I mean come on, if Southlake was more inclusive on the district boundaries; it would be cheaper. You all have paid off, and influence peddled your way through the years with favors to get your district boundaries drew in your favor, that you could have saved money through the years doing things the fair way. Yes, I said fair way. No other district has it as good as you all do as far as average and median income. Also, come on; look at your sports facilities. Need I say more here? That money could have gone a long way in helping people who need it to just get a high school diploma.
I have a challenge for you. Take a look on how much of your tax dollars goes to subsidize corporate welfare, as compared to social wealthfare. I bet you will be surprised. I challenge you to do this. After this, then tell me about Socialism. Also, see how much taxes are paid just to subsidize Walmart workers alone. The same Walmart that Southlake went out of its way, and used exhorbitant resources to kick out of Southlake. I don't like Walmart, or shop there; but it is definately not good enough for Southlake.
I know, you pay high taxes. Well guess what, compared to the rest of us; you see the results of those high taxes. Let us compare Police and Fire response time between Bedford and Southlake. And, I am only 2.9 miles from Southlake.
I am not going to get into anymore on this, as this is a high school football forum. Also, I get into it all the time with my friends. I say come to the real world, contribute to the greater good and If one does not like it; then move to a place where you won't have to pay higher taxes and have top notch schools.

[Sakatha]

FeelTheHaka -

You need a reality check. First off, I lived in HEB so I know what's up over there. Secondly, if you REALLY believe that Robin Hood works then go check out DISD...

You know, the inner city district that OWES ROBIN HOOD ALMOST 50 MILLION THIS YEAR ALONE!!!

The system is BROKEN. My tax dollars, paid in Southlake, aren't helping 'Johnny' get ANYTHING ANYWHERE.

Also, if you think that school funding is going to keep a criminal from becoming a criminal then you need to go take some social dev and social psych classes.. You are sadly, POORLY informed.

~DnM

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

Should have put LP down on that poll.

[OakTreeUp-n-Out]

So Haka, aren't you REALLY saying "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."?

[Sakatha]

So Haka, aren't you REALLY saying "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."?

This should be good... I can almost hear him typing www.google.com as I type this sentence...

This is rich... LOL

~DnM

[Sakatha]

So Haka, aren't you REALLY saying "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."?


oh BAH! You made it PC... Dangit, man...

~DnM

[OakTreeUp-n-Out]

Just setting my snare.

;)

[blueraiders11]

Nobody on that list will even get within 30 points

I remember last year before CHHS played Carroll and the CHHS players all week long at lifetime fitness were talking some major smack all week before the game, saying how good they were, and ended up getting run out of their own stadium, and I didn't hear from them for the rest of the year. I guess thats what happens when you play a cupcake non conference schedule like they did. Not being a troll or anything but they really didn't live up to what they told me all week long, and I was rather disappointed in the alma mater boing.

[FeeltheHaka]

FeelTheHaka -

You need a reality check. First off, I lived in HEB so I know what's up over there. Secondly, if you REALLY believe that Robin Hood works then go check out DISD...

You know, the inner city district that OWES ROBIN HOOD ALMOST 50 MILLION THIS YEAR ALONE!!!

The system is BROKEN. My tax dollars, paid in Southlake, aren't helping 'Johnny' get ANYTHING ANYWHERE.

Also, if you think that school funding is going to keep a criminal from becoming a criminal then you need to go take some social dev and social psych classes.. You are sadly, POORLY informed.

~DnM

And how much does DISD spend per student as compared to Southlake? What is the dropout rate for DISD as compared to Southlake? See, you are reaping the rewards of your tax dollars. If you lived in HEB, then what is the problem? I don't understand what you are saying.
Do I think school funding helps keep kids off of streets? Heck, Yes! Does it help drop out rates? Heck, Yes! Does it help ensure kids a better future? Heck, Yes! You live in Southlake, you should know. Just do the numbers on anything from crime rate, drop out rate, acceptance into a major university, etc. Then compare this with the amount spent on each kid. There is no denying the correlation.
Again, look at this long term. Do you want a tax payer, or a recipient of public assistance? It is that simple. Also, take my challenge; and compare the amount spent of tax dollars on corporate welfare as compared to Social Welfare. If you want to have even more fun, the throw in tax abatements as well. Even more fun yet? Separate Walmart's tax abatements.

[dragonsdaddy]

And how much does DISD spend per student as compared to Southlake? What is the dropout rate for DISD as compared to Southlake? See, you are reaping the rewards of your tax dollars. If you lived in HEB, then what is the problem? I don't understand what you are saying.
Do I think school funding helps keep kids off of streets? Heck, Yes! Does it help drop out rates? Heck, Yes! Does it help ensure kids a better future? Heck, Yes! You live in Southlake, you should know. Just do the numbers on anything from crime rate, drop out rate, acceptance into a major university, etc. Then compare this with the amount spent on each kid. There is no denying the correlation.
Again, look at this long term. Do you want a tax payer, or a recipient of public assistance? It is that simple. Also, take my challenge; and compare the amount spent of tax dollars on corporate welfare as compared to Social Welfare. If you want to have even more fun, the throw in tax abatements as well. Even more fun yet? Separate Walmart's tax abatements.you are living in the 90's or maybe the 80's as our non-industrial city council abated walmart right off our tax rolls. at least have a clue. they are now paying in to the gcisd. we are almost completely supported by real estate taxes on private housing. the industrial imput is almost zero and there are no box stores except costco, which they haven't yet run off.

[FeeltheHaka]

you are living in the 90's or maybe the 80's as our non-industrial city council abated walmart right off our tax rolls. at least have a clue. they are now paying in to the gcisd. we are almost completely supported by real estate taxes on private housing. the industrial imput is almost zero and there are no box stores except costco, which they haven't yet run off.

Okay, the most recent Walmart runoff was Colleyville. You all did it I believe sometime in the 90's. I don't see how you are supported almost completely by real estate taxes on private residences, when you have all those businesses such as the one's around the town center area. You have every major department store, Home Depot, Lowes, etc. Heck, You guys even have Kincaids (best burgers in Texas,) Are you telling me that Sabre pays nothing? Man, if this is the case in Southlake; then you make my point on corporate welfare.

[mustangs9]

its about time we get a anti-southlake person in here.

[Sakatha]

And how much does DISD spend per student as compared to Southlake? What is the dropout rate for DISD as compared to Southlake? See, you are reaping the rewards of your tax dollars. If you lived in HEB, then what is the problem? I don't understand what you are saying.
Do I think school funding helps keep kids off of streets? Heck, Yes! Does it help drop out rates? Heck, Yes! Does it help ensure kids a better future? Heck, Yes! You live in Southlake, you should know. Just do the numbers on anything from crime rate, drop out rate, acceptance into a major university, etc. Then compare this with the amount spent on each kid. There is no denying the correlation.
Again, look at this long term. Do you want a tax payer, or a recipient of public assistance? It is that simple. Also, take my challenge; and compare the amount spent of tax dollars on corporate welfare as compared to Social Welfare. If you want to have even more fun, the throw in tax abatements as well. Even more fun yet? Separate Walmart's tax abatements.

Congratulations... You totally missed the entire point of what I was trying to say.

The point was/is... Look at DISD... One of the WORST districts in the state regarding violent crime, dropout rate, teen pregnancy, etc. THEY pay into Robin Hood LARGE. So explain to me again how Robin Hood isn't more broken than your own silly logic is?

By the way. The success in Southlake *IS* directly related to the wealth. Wealthy people are successful in life for the most part. Of course there are exceptions. Successful people don't drop out of school. Successful people don't commit violent crimes. Once again, there are exceptions to every rule. Almost all of the 'bs' that I hear being spewed from people who 'hate' Southlake is directly related to them being to F'ING LAZY to make their life situation better for themselves. They would rather b*tch about it than take action.

~DnM

p.s. The answer to the original poll isn't Grapevine...

[dragons08]

Okay, the most recent Walmart runoff was Colleyville. You all did it I believe sometime in the 90's. I don't see how you are supported almost completely by real estate taxes on private residences, when you have all those businesses such as the one's around the town center area. You have every major department store, Home Depot, Lowes, etc. Heck, You guys even have Kincaids (best burgers in Texas,) Are you telling me that Sabre pays nothing? Man, if this is the case in Southlake; then you make my point on corporate welfare.
umm lets see.. in the 90's..i moved here in '02..walmart left in i'll say '04ish..

[dragons08]

Give me a break. Between the Gerrymandering of your district lines, and your sports facilities; if you work overtime to pay for this, then this is the bed you all made. Come down to the real world like the rest of us, then tell us different. Go visit some of the poor schools then call out the socialism card.
I think you should research what socialism really is before you make this comparison.
This is a long term, real world way to look at it. If Johnny does not get an education, and drops out of school; then Johnny and his friends show up on your door step armed and ready. Also, Johnny; because of lack of education catches a disease and spreads it to us all. Educating Johnny is cheaper than paying for Johnny's health care, or taking care of the cost of Jonny's crime. It is cheaper than paying for a year of Johnny in prison. Also, how about turning Johnny in to a tax payer instead of a drain on the tax system. It is also cheaper to educate Johnny than to have Johnny make 5 little Johnnys who will be continuing the cycle, and further draining the system.
I don't understand Supply sider's short sided narrow point of view on things. I mean come on, if Southlake was more inclusive on the district boundaries; it would be cheaper. You all have paid off, and influence peddled your way through the years with favors to get your district boundaries drew in your favor, that you could have saved money through the years doing things the fair way. Yes, I said fair way. No other district has it as good as you all do as far as average and median income. Also, come on; look at your sports facilities. Need I say more here? That money could have gone a long way in helping people who need it to just get a high school diploma.
I have a challenge for you. Take a look on how much of your tax dollars goes to subsidize corporate welfare, as compared to social wealthfare. I bet you will be surprised. I challenge you to do this. After this, then tell me about Socialism. Also, see how much taxes are paid just to subsidize Walmart workers alone. The same Walmart that Southlake went out of its way, and used exhorbitant resources to kick out of Southlake. I don't like Walmart, or shop there; but it is definately not good enough for Southlake.
I know, you pay high taxes. Well guess what, compared to the rest of us; you see the results of those high taxes. Let us compare Police and Fire response time between Bedford and Southlake. And, I am only 2.9 miles from Southlake.
I am not going to get into anymore on this, as this is a high school football forum. Also, I get into it all the time with my friends. I say come to the real world, contribute to the greater good and If one does not like it; then move to a place where you won't have to pay higher taxes and have top notch schools.
oh yes, Carroll ISD is doing FINE on money:rolleyes: ...that explains all the cuts of programs, the cuts on teachers, cuts on supplies, etc etc..all the nice facilities, were built (from my understanding) on overspending..now the district is trying to rebuild that fund...there are a TON of things set up to help donate to the school.....and with fire response..a friend of mine..lived right by Carroll MS...it took the fire fighters 12 min to get to his house..that isnt that good..the house is totaled

[dragons08]

its about time we get a anti-southlake person in here.
well, when he uses facts that dont exist and has no idea what hes talking about, it really serves no purpose

[dragonfootballfan]

well, when he uses facts that dont exist and has no idea what hes talking about, it really serves no purpose
facts that don't exist are the basis to almost any anti-southlake argument

[dragons08]

facts that don't exist are the basis to almost any anti-southlake argument
ive noticed thats its acuttaly quite funny.....then how you just say 'scoreboard' shuts em up...

like coppell game in '04..the band was going along the sideline, they were yelling stuff and what not..all i had to do was point at that scoreboard..spoke for itself..

[dragonfootballfan]

ive noticed thats its acuttaly quite funny.....then how you just say 'scoreboard' shuts em up...

like coppell game in '04..the band was going along the sideline, they were yelling stuff and what not..all i had to do was point at that scoreboard..spoke for itself..
Scoreboard smack is very old. Most fans in the area that root for teams against Carroll go into games expecting to lose and just procede to attack the character of the residents of Southlake and some of the players using opinions represented as facts. It is getting old.

A few of the most active people on the board engaged in this type of behavior earlier this week. It is disgusting.

[the_great_state_of_TExas]

Give me a break. Between the Gerrymandering of your district lines, and your sports facilities; if you work overtime to pay for this, then this is the bed you all made. Come down to the real world like the rest of us, then tell us different. Go visit some of the poor schools then call out the socialism card.
I think you should research what socialism really is before you make this comparison.
This is a long term, real world way to look at it. If Johnny does not get an education, and drops out of school; then Johnny and his friends show up on your door step armed and ready. Also, Johnny; because of lack of education catches a disease and spreads it to us all. Educating Johnny is cheaper than paying for Johnny's health care, or taking care of the cost of Jonny's crime. It is cheaper than paying for a year of Johnny in prison. Also, how about turning Johnny in to a tax payer instead of a drain on the tax system. It is also cheaper to educate Johnny than to have Johnny make 5 little Johnnys who will be continuing the cycle, and further draining the system.
I don't understand Supply sider's short sided narrow point of view on things. I mean come on, if Southlake was more inclusive on the district boundaries; it would be cheaper. You all have paid off, and influence peddled your way through the years with favors to get your district boundaries drew in your favor, that you could have saved money through the years doing things the fair way. Yes, I said fair way. No other district has it as good as you all do as far as average and median income. Also, come on; look at your sports facilities. Need I say more here? That money could have gone a long way in helping people who need it to just get a high school diploma.
I have a challenge for you. Take a look on how much of your tax dollars goes to subsidize corporate welfare, as compared to social wealthfare. I bet you will be surprised. I challenge you to do this. After this, then tell me about Socialism. Also, see how much taxes are paid just to subsidize Walmart workers alone. The same Walmart that Southlake went out of its way, and used exhorbitant resources to kick out of Southlake. I don't like Walmart, or shop there; but it is definately not good enough for Southlake.
I know, you pay high taxes. Well guess what, compared to the rest of us; you see the results of those high taxes. Let us compare Police and Fire response time between Bedford and Southlake. And, I am only 2.9 miles from Southlake.
I am not going to get into anymore on this, as this is a high school football forum. Also, I get into it all the time with my friends. I say come to the real world, contribute to the greater good and If one does not like it; then move to a place where you won't have to pay higher taxes and have top notch schools.

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Haka:

It is not MY responsibility to ensure "Johnny" takes full advantage of the FREE (relative term) public education system; it is his parent's responsibility.

The successes we enjoy at SLC are directly related to our parental involvement not our taxes.

[FeeltheHaka]

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Haka:

It is not MY responsibility to ensure "Johnny" takes full advantage of the FREE (relative term) public education system; it is his parent's responsibility.

The successes we enjoy at SLC are directly related to our parental involvement not our taxes.


I couldn't agree with you more. Now come to the real world, where this does not happen. Also, Johnny's parents may care; but have jobs that pay little with no benefits which hamper their ability to get involved. It is going to get worse with the Walmartization of our society. This is not like the old days where one can leave their job to watch Johnny in the school play, meet with teachers etc. My wife is a teacher in a lower class area of HEB, and she experiences it first hand. She even attempts to call employers to allow parents for conferences and other activities; and 98% of the time they will not budge. At first my wife used to think the parents were making excuses, then she tried the calling of the employers approach to no avail.
Like I said, pay a little extra now; or pay a lot more later. Or pay more attention who you vote for when you see who is in the politicians wallet. Has anyone yet looked to see how much we pay for corporate welfare as compared to social welfare. Also, take a look on how much we pay to the welfare of the Iraqis, as compared to our own social welfare.

[Sakatha]

I couldn't agree with you more. Now come to the real world, where this does not happen. Also, Johnny's parents may care; but have jobs that pay little with no benefits which hamper their ability to get involved. It is going to get worse with the Walmartization of our society. This is not like the old days where one can leave their job to watch Johnny in the school play, meet with teachers etc. My wife is a teacher in a lower class area of HEB, and she experiences it first hand. She even attempts to call employers to allow parents for conferences and other activities; and 98% of the time they will not budge. At first my wife used to think the parents were making excuses, then she tried the calling of the employers approach to no avail.
Like I said, pay a little extra now; or pay a lot more later. Or pay more attention who you vote for when you see who is in the politicians wallet. Has anyone yet looked to see how much we pay for corporate welfare as compared to social welfare. Also, take a look on how much we pay to the welfare of the Iraqis, as compared to our own social welfare.

At this point, I've heard enough... This was supposed to be a football thread and I got sucked into your left wing agenda...

Go away.

~DnM

[drgnbkr]

At this point, I've heard enough... This was supposed to be a football thread and I got sucked into your left wing agenda...

Go away.

~DnM

I was going to say, "I'm getting tired head" but you beat me to it! This is a HS football board....go to the blogasphere for politics haka.....

[stangsalltheway]

oh yes, Carroll ISD is doing FINE on money:rolleyes: ...that explains all the cuts of programs, the cuts on teachers, cuts on supplies, etc etc..all the nice facilities, were built (from my understanding) on overspending..now the district is trying to rebuild that fund...there are a TON of things set up to help donate to the school.....and with fire response..a friend of mine..lived right by Carroll MS...it took the fire fighters 12 min to get to his house..that isnt that good..the house is totaled
so how bout all those flat screen t.v.'s you put up in your highschool and senior high?????

[dragons08]

so how bout all those flat screen t.v.'s you put up in your highschool and senior high?????
well..at carroll highschool, the thing in front of the school (scroll) is broke..the plasmas were cheaper to buy, than to repair the scroll outside...oh and btw, the school didnt buy em, it was one of those donation things like PTSO or something like that

[FeeltheHaka]

At this point, I've heard enough... This was supposed to be a football thread and I got sucked into your left wing agenda...

Go away.

~DnM

No agenda here. I didn't vote for either one of them. I was not the one who started with the Robin Hood Rhetoric. Sometimes the truth is hard to swallow.

[Sakatha]

No agenda here. I didn't vote for either one of them. I was not the one who started with the Robin Hood Rhetoric. Sometimes the truth is hard to swallow.

Apparently so is the jealousy... It wreaks of it all over this entire thread.

~DnM

[dragons08]

Apparently so is the jealousy... It wreaks of it all over this entire thread.

~DnM
thats what that smell was! i thought drgnbkr broke wind :p

[drgnbkr]

thats what that smell was! i thought drgnbkr broke wind :p

Hey, I resemble that remark...

[stangsalltheway]

How about we end all this talk about school and politics and whatever and talk about football, sound good??????????