Top 20 coaches

[South Texas]

Coach Current Record %
O'All Record %
School
1
Eddy Peach (287-106-8) 73%
(287-106-8) 73%
Arlington Lamar
2
Bob Shelton (256-150-3) 63%
(281-163-7) 63%
Buda Hays Consolidated
3
Jim Streety (122-56-1) 69%
(271-101-3) 73%
San Antonio Madison
4
Dave Meadows (39-20-0) 66%
(252-92-0) 73%
DeSoto
5
Larry Dippel (223-120-5) 65%
(252-134-6) 65%
Amarillo
6
John Outlaw (110-30-0) 79%
(248-74-3) 77%
Lufkin
7
Tom Nolen (183-53-6) 78%
(240-73-7) 77%
Houston Lamar
8
Scott Phillips (17-22-0) 44%
(234-74-4) 76%
Odessa
9
Mike Farda (166-89-8) 65%
(210-119-8) 64%
Irving Nimitz
10
Ross Rogers (49-21-0) 70%
(207-81-8) 72%
Harker Heights
11
Allen Wilson (44-5-0) 90%
(206-69-4) 75%
Dallas Carter
12
Gene Wier (9-22-0) 29%
(197-56-0) 78%
Fort Worth Richland
13
Mike Zoffuto (30-43-0) 41%
(196-105-0) 65%
Dallas White
14
Johnny Tusa (153-76-2) 67%
(189-114-4) 62%
Waco
15
Jim Bennett (145-138-5) 51%
(187-138-5) 58%
Irving
16
Don Brooks (181-126-3) 59%
(181-126-3) 59%
El Paso Coronado
17
Butch Henderson (114-80-0) 59%
(172-124-1) 58%
Lubbock Coronado
18
Jim Slaughter (43-26-0) 62%
(169-89-1) 66%
A&M Consolidated
19
Bill Barron (63-52-1) 55%
(166-132-6) 56%
Alief Elsik
20
Mike Owens (83-38-0) 69%
(165-88-2) 65%
Tyler Lee

[PackAttack2005]

Where is Todd Dodge? The man is 63-1 the past four years in 5A, that's a .984 winning percentage.

[JagDad07]

He never defined what "Top" means. It's not winning. Is it the top pay in the state? I know Coach Peach is up there.

[pack0808]

Where is Todd Dodge? The man is 63-1 the past four years in 5A, that's a .984 winning percentage.


Somebody told me he had some tough seasons as a coach before going to SLC? Not sure if that is true though?

[dragonfootballfan]

Somebody told me he had some tough seasons as a coach before going to SLC? Not sure if that is true though?
that is true. He had a losing record before coming to Carroll

[forest99]

that is true. He had a losing record before coming to Carroll
ya, ive been trying to find that out for ever now!!! where all did he come from?? i was able to look up the carroll history, but not dodge himself as a head and assistant....could you please inform me of his coaching history??

[dragonfootballfan]

ya, ive been trying to find that out for ever now!!! where all did he come from?? i was able to look up the carroll history, but not dodge himself as a head and assistant....could you please inform me of his coaching history??
I do not know every where that he had coached, but I know he came to Carroll from Fossill Ridge and he had been the head coach at Newman Smith and Cameron Yoe. I am not sure where he was before that, but I think that he has some college coaching experience including offensive coordinator and UNT.

[CCHS77]

I do not know every where that he had coached, but I know he came to Carroll from Fossill Ridge and he had been the head coach at Newman Smith and Cameron Yoe. I am not sure where he was before that, but I think that he has some college coaching experience including offensive coordinator and UNT.

I thought that Coach Dodge was QB coach at UNT, not OC.

If my math is correct, his overall record, to date is 105-47 with a Dragon record of 82-11

[South Texas]

http://www.texasfootballratings.com/

It list the schools and coaches.
I believe that Dodge coached near Bay City or one of the schools east of Houston

[supercentex]

Allen Wilson to me is the best coach on the list........I wish he would have not left TJT.

[stevefoxsc]

when did peach take top spot? i know wilson will pass him give or take a few years

[CCHS77]

i know wilson will pass him give or take a few years


sfsc,

You do know that Peach is still active and is 81 wins in front of Wilson?

Define "a few years".

[PackAttack2005]

As long as Wilson continues to coach Dallas Carter in that sorry, void of heavyweights district they are in, he will continue adding to his win total. However, he has not been as successful in the playoffs as he should be and for those reasons he is not a top 5 coach in my book, maybe a bottom 10 selection.. You can't say he hasn't had the talent at Carter to make deeper playoff runs.

At some point and for sure in the next 4 years, Carter (1873 enrollment) will have to go 4A, then Wilson and Carter will contend again for a State Crown.

[grayowl60]

As long as Wilson continues to coach Dallas Carter in that sorry, void of heavyweights district they are in, he will continue adding to his win total. However, he has not been as successful in the playoffs as he should be and for those reasons he is not a top 5 coach in my book, maybe a bottom 10 selection.. You can't say he hasn't had the talent at Carter to make deeper playoff runs.

At some point and for sure in the next 4 years, Carter (1873 enrollment) will have to go 4A, then Wilson and Carter will contend again for a State Crown.
Why would they have to go to 4a? They have the option to stay in 5a.

[CCBoy]

As long as Wilson continues to coach Dallas Carter in that sorry, void of heavyweights district they are in, he will continue adding to his win total. However, he has not been as successful in the playoffs as he should be and for those reasons he is not a top 5 coach in my book, maybe a bottom 10 selection.. You can't say he hasn't had the talent at Carter to make deeper playoff runs.

At some point and for sure in the next 4 years, Carter (1873 enrollment) will have to go 4A, then Wilson and Carter will contend again for a State Crown.
I agree with you Pack. Being a Carter follower I've noticed that coach Wilson converts back to his same old ways in the playoffs. He will run the ball every down. When Carter loss to Garland in the playoffs the only successful drive was a no huddle and a spread formation. The second half he ran the ball time after time out of that wing -t and the whole season was a waste. He had a dual threat QB that wasn't able to showcase his talent. I tried to accept him and understand his system, but it is getting old real quick and fans, parents, and players are feeling the same way. I don't think they should drop to 4A, because they are still beating some quality teams and if they lose it's not by much. I hope Coach Wilson can try something different this year. (A new Philosophy):mad:

[lonny23]

That top 20 list is predicated on number of wins, which is a direct result of coaching more years. They have another list that goes by winning %.
http://www.texasfootballratings.com/2005coaches5Aperc.html

[Slim-Rob]

That top 20 list is predicated on number of wins, which is a direct result of coaching more years. They have another list that goes by winning %.
http://www.texasfootballratings.com/2005coaches5Aperc.html
Win % at current school (http://www.texasfootballratings.com/2005coaches5Aperccurrentperc.html)

#6 Todd Dodge- 88%
#12 Jim Rackley- 79%

[Firebird]

Winning % is about as good a measurable statistic as anything, but even that doesn't take into account the intangibles of a great coach. Case in point:

Steve Warren 72% (no. 32) at Abilene High, and 65% over all. He is way behind a lot of people not in his class. His % might not be outstanding, but when he took over at AHS, the Eagles were a complete joke, one of 3-5a's perennial cellar dwellers. He turned them into a district power, and one of the more respectable programs at the state level. In my mind, that is at least as impressive as taking over a dream program after being groomed as successor.

[gritty52]

As usual not much Trinity talk when talking about the best at anything. Looks like Lineweaver is ahead of most of these guys. Another thing this is not his first State Championship. He won the 3 A championship at Commerce.

[drgnbkr]

Are there 5 coches on that list that any school would rather have than Todd Dodge?

[Firebird]

Probably not. Dodge is a great coach, no question. However, there are some other good ones out there. My top 5 in no particular order--

Dodge, Outlaw, Warren, Peach, Yenzer (Midland)

[lonny23]

Are there 5 coches on that list that any school would rather have than Todd Dodge?
Let me be a person to say there are at least 5 coaches I'd take over Todd Dodge. This is not exclusive:

Hill, SV
Rackley, Judson
Yenzer, Midland
Outlaw, Lufkin
Lineweaver, Trinity
Joseph, Katy

I'm one of those dissenters who looks at the Dodge record pre-SLC and at SLC and questions the legitimacy of what we currently see. Game tape doesn't make me feel any different.

[Firebird]

Let me be a person to say there are at least 5 coaches I'd take over Todd Dodge. This is not exclusive:

Hill, SV
Rackley, Judson
Yenzer, Midland
Outlaw, Lufkin
Lineweaver, Trinity
Joseph, Katy

I'm one of those dissenters who looks at the Dodge record pre-SLC and at SLC and questions the legitimacy of what we currently see. Game tape doesn't make me feel any different.

Those are all dang good ones. I am a big Yenzer fan, and Hill fan. I don't envy Rackely's position, he has taken over a program from a true HS football legend, and I think that folks outside of Region IV unfairly can't help but compare him to Rutledge.

I would take Steve Warren out of Abilene over Dodge. What he did up there with what he inhereited is amazing.

I don't know too much about Joseph or Lineweaver. How long has Joseph been at Katy?

[lonny23]

Those are all dang good ones. I am a big Yenzer fan, and Hill fan. I don't envy Rackely's position, he has taken over a program from a true HS football legend, and I think that folks outside of Region IV unfairly can't help but compare him to Rutledge.

I would take Steve Warren out of Abilene over Dodge. What he did up there with what he inhereited is amazing.

I don't know too much about Joseph or Lineweaver. How long has Joseph been at Katy?
He's been the Head Coach for 2 years, but was an assistant for a long time before that. Lineweaver has a year-in year-out region title team and won big-time in Commerce, too.

Rackley is in a no-win siutation. I'll never forget hearing fans complain about Rackley AFTER they beat Alief Elsik in the 2002 semifinals. He won a title the next week. I don't think he'll ever be looked at as favorably as Rutledge.

I like Warren, too.

[Firebird]

Rackley is in a no-win siutation. I'll never forget hearing fans complain about Rackley AFTER they beat Alief Elsik in the 2002 semifinals. He won a title the next week. I don't think he'll ever be looked at as favorably as Rutledge.


That's a shame. He is an excellent coach. You know, when I was out in Abilene, I never heard the end of Brownwood folks complaining about their head coaches. No will ever be able to replace G. Wood, no matter what they do. At least Rackley hasn't had a serious attempt to ouster him yet.

Sometimes I wonder if it wouldn't be best for these longtime assistants to try to make their name somewhere else. I don't know if I would be up to replaceing a Wood, Rutledge, Danaher (CC Calallen), etc. But I have a lot of respect for those that give it a shot.

[clemensbuff]

That top 20 list is predicated on number of wins, which is a direct result of coaching more years. They have another list that goes by winning %.
http://www.texasfootballratings.com/2005coaches5Aperc.html

I'll take the overall winning percentage anytime. I mean hell, if I coached long enough say 75 years or so I could probably win a couple of hundred games. Winning percentage is all that matters and in that case I'd look at 'OLD' DW for sure and Larry Hill's record in 5a is outstanding. If they are just talking about 5a then Dodge has to be up there for sure!

Let's face it, who cares about 200 wins if it took 300 losses to get there!

[CCHS77]

I'm one of those dissenters who looks at the Dodge record pre-SLC and at SLC and questions the legitimacy of what we currently see. Game tape doesn't make me feel any different.

If you haven’t been around Coach Dodge to see how he “coaches” the boys on and off the field, I can understand your first sentence. Many/Most don't have any other criteria to go on. However your second sentence has me more than a little curious. Please explain.

[clemensbuff]

That's a shame. He is an excellent coach. You know, when I was out in Abilene, I never heard the end of Brownwood folks complaining about their head coaches. No will ever be able to replace G. Wood, no matter what they do. At least Rackley hasn't had a serious attempt to ouster him yet.

Sometimes I wonder if it wouldn't be best for these longtime assistants to try to make their name somewhere else. I don't know if I would be up to replaceing a Wood, Rutledge, Danaher (CC Calallen), etc. But I have a lot of respect for those that give it a shot.

I don't know about that. With three games left in district this year there were plenty of so called CJ fans including several on this site calling for his head!

He's an outstanding coach (definately in the top ten in the state IMO) and any school would be lucky to have him. The best part is that anyone who knows the man will tell you that he's an even better person than he is a coach!

[bubbacoach]

I don't know about that. With three games left in district this year there were plenty of so called CJ fans including several on this site calling for his head!

He's an outstanding coach (definately in the top ten in the state IMO) and any school would be lucky to have him. The best part is that anyone who knows the man will tell you that he's an even better person than he is a coach!
Maybe, Maybe Not.

[clemensbuff]

Maybe, Maybe Not.

Maybe, Maybe not what? That he's a better person than a coach??? Or that he's a top 10 coach in the state? I would hope that you were talking about the top 10 coach part because I've known Rackley for a long time and he and his family have always been 'top notch' in my book.

[dragonsdaddy]

Let me be a person to say there are at least 5 coaches I'd take over Todd Dodge. This is not exclusive:

Hill, SV
Rackley, Judson
Yenzer, Midland
Outlaw, Lufkin
Lineweaver, Trinity
Joseph, Katy

I'm one of those dissenters who looks at the Dodge record pre-SLC and at SLC and questions the legitimacy of what we currently see. Game tape doesn't make me feel any different.
all good coaches no doubt,but i personally question the legitimacy of dodge's early records as indicative of his coaching skills. few people in any profession start off at the top of their game, and almost all get better with experience. i have played for the best high school coach ever and and have watched hundreds of hours of dodge and i am almost willing to say he is as good. of course i don't have the wisdom of being afar and almost completely knowledgeless about him as others. when i choose to be irrelevant, i'll refer and reflect on l2k's quote herein.

[KT2000]

I don't know too much about Joseph or Lineweaver. How long has Joseph been at Katy?

Joseph has been at Katy since 1982 I believe. He worked as Mike Johnston's defensive coordinator until Johnston "retired" in 2003, and then took over as head coach. Katy is 26-3 in Joseph's first two seasons in charge. Two of the three losses are by 3 points or less.

Many are familiar with Gary Joseph's father, Eddie, who is a prominent member of the THSCA and Texas football in general. Nearly his entire side of the family are football coaches.

[dada]

Coach Current Record %
O'All Record %
School
1
Eddy Peach (287-106-8) 73%
(287-106-8) 73%
Arlington Lamar
2
Bob Shelton (256-150-3) 63%
(281-163-7) 63%
Buda Hays Consolidated
3
Jim Streety (122-56-1) 69%
(271-101-3) 73%
San Antonio Madison
4
Dave Meadows (39-20-0) 66%
(252-92-0) 73%
DeSoto
5
Larry Dippel (223-120-5) 65%
(252-134-6) 65%
Amarillo
6
John Outlaw (110-30-0) 79%
(248-74-3) 77%
Lufkin
7
Tom Nolen (183-53-6) 78%
(240-73-7) 77%
Houston Lamar
8
Scott Phillips (17-22-0) 44%
(234-74-4) 76%
Odessa
9
Mike Farda (166-89-8) 65%
(210-119-8) 64%
Irving Nimitz
10
Ross Rogers (49-21-0) 70%
(207-81-8) 72%
Harker Heights
11
Allen Wilson (44-5-0) 90%
(206-69-4) 75%
Dallas Carter
12
Gene Wier (9-22-0) 29%
(197-56-0) 78%
Fort Worth Richland
13
Mike Zoffuto (30-43-0) 41%
(196-105-0) 65%
Dallas White
14
Johnny Tusa (153-76-2) 67%
(189-114-4) 62%
Waco
15
Jim Bennett (145-138-5) 51%
(187-138-5) 58%
Irving
16
Don Brooks (181-126-3) 59%
(181-126-3) 59%
El Paso Coronado
17
Butch Henderson (114-80-0) 59%
(172-124-1) 58%
Lubbock Coronado
18
Jim Slaughter (43-26-0) 62%
(169-89-1) 66%
A&M Consolidated
19
Bill Barron (63-52-1) 55%
(166-132-6) 56%
Alief Elsik
20
Mike Owens (83-38-0) 69%
(165-88-2) 65%
Tyler Lee


How many of these coaches DONT have State titles?

[KT2000]

FWIW, I believe Todd Dodge deserves his accolades as a coach. Sure, he has great talent, resources and tradition to work with in Southlake but the way his Carroll teams execute is what has me sold.

To accomplish what Carroll has in 5A so far, you obviously need a clearly defined system of operation...which Dodge has established very quickly. Secondly, the plan/system must be executed extremely well week in and week out to be able to sustain a record like they have now (62-1 in four seasons).

The only time Carroll has been beaten so far is also the only game they've been out-executed over the course of four quarters. A few other teams have done it for a quarter or two (or three in Plano's case), but haven't managed to close it out in the 4th quarter.

Carroll players are extremely fundamentally sound, and execute nearly flawlessly. That, in addition to the talent and resources, will win you championships.

[dragonsdaddy]

as a general rule, how small do failures have to get in the rearview mirror before they lose their traction for some one with a bone to pick or a jealous streak, to glom onto? i can certainly see how the first years of success can be aduterated with prior failures. does 6 years of said success begin to make up for 4 yeaqrs of mediority. after reading our "leader's" comments, i guess not yet. btw, i don't think you could go wrong with any of these coaches.

[KT2000]

aduterated

You lost me.

[pack0808]

quote by kt2000

The only time Carroll has been beaten so far is also the only game they've been out-executed over the course of four quarters. A few other teams have done it for a quarter or two (or three in Plano's case), but haven't managed to close it out in the 4th quarter.


Lufkin out-executed them in 2002 for 3 3/4th quarters. ;) Lufkin out exectuted for 2 quarters in 2004 but it mattered not. SLC finds a way to win 99.9 percent of the time.

d-daddy will confuse the best of us kt. I try to get him to dumb it down for me so i can comprehend at times.

[KT2000]

I'm thinking we need to impliment a three syllable limit.

Thanks for reminding of 02 LP-SLC. How quickly I forget since yall have played three times now. I turned the game off on TSRN after Lane scored to make it 30-13 because I thought it was over. Woops.

[FeeltheHaka]

Coach Dodge was at Cameron, Carollton Newman Smith and Fossil Ridge before Southlake.

Coach Lineweaver was an assistant at Southlake at one time. His son played for Southlake, and his son is a coach at a Southlake middle school. I thought everyone new about this?

[dragonsdaddy]

quote by kt2000

The only time Carroll has been beaten so far is also the only game they've been out-executed over the course of four quarters. A few other teams have done it for a quarter or two (or three in Plano's case), but haven't managed to close it out in the 4th quarter.


Lufkin out-executed them in 2002 for 3 3/4th quarters. ;) Lufkin out exectuted for 2 quarters in 2004 but it mattered not. SLC finds a way to win 99.9 percent of the time.

d-daddy will confuse the best of us kt. I try to get him to dumb it down for me so i can comprehend at times.
wasn't the pack dominance really more like 2 3/4 qtrs? the turning point int came with 3-4 minutes left in the 3rd.

[dragonsdaddy]

You lost me.
sorry, didn't reread. adulterated.

[dragonfootballfan]

wasn't the pack dominance really more like 2 3/4 qtrs? the turning point int came with 3-4 minutes left in the 3rd.
actually it was probably less than that because I remember Carroll sticking with Lufkin for most of the first quarter as well

[South Texas]

Look at Texas High School coaches 20 years ago. You could probably have 5 -10 all time great coaches. But look at the schools itself, Permain, Yates, Conroe, SA Brack and others. (And yes there are other schools I didn't mention) They were the power houses which improve the records and that is where the best coaches were at. Add 10 - 15 years to the list of coaches who will be around coaching and the list will reflect to what many are saying about Dodge and others.

[CCHS77]

actually it was probably less than that because I remember Carroll sticking with Lufkin for most of the first quarter as well


Lufkin scored on their first and last plays of the first half!

No, I'd go with 2 3/4.

[dragonsdaddy]

Lufkin scored on their first and last plays of the first half!

No, I'd go with 2 3/4.
and kicked a fg with 4th play and a td with 5th play of 3rd. until the merritt int, we were cooked.

[dragonsdaddy]

Look at Texas High School coaches 20 years ago. You could probably have 5 -10 all time great coaches. But look at the schools itself, Permain, Yates, Conroe, SA Brack and others. (And yes there are other schools I didn't mention) They were the power houses which improve the records and that is where the best coaches were at. Add 10 - 15 years to the list of coaches who will be around coaching and the list will reflect to what many are saying about Dodge and others.
i'm sorry, i don't follow your reasoning, or at least don't know what point you are trying to make.

[pack0808]

wasn't the pack dominance really more like 2 3/4 qtrs? the turning point int came with 3-4 minutes left in the 3rd.


Maybe it was? I just remember Lufkin having a comfortable 4th quarter lead. Well at least i thought it was comfortable. ;) I just remember thinking when it was 30-13 that yeah what do these boys think now of 5a ball now that you are playing the defending 5a champs. How do you like that! It is big boy ball now!! Next thing you know i went home severely nauseated and the rest is history. SLC turned into a 5a dynasty. To top it off, we left the wrong way and ended up close to SL. Stopped at some very good sandwitch place. I forget what kind but it was not American but so good. All of these SLC fans were there and coming in and i was like lets go this is humiliating. Everybody was looking at us like what the heck are you doing here. I was trying to cover up my purple shirt out of embarrassment of going the wrong way but it did not work. HaHa All of the SLC fans were very nice and classy though. Talked to one about the Chandlers going to Iowa.

Ok i am sorry i got off topic. Proceed

[dragonsdaddy]

Maybe it was? I just remember Lufkin having a comfortable 4th quarter lead. Well at least i thought it was comfortable. ;) I just remember thinking when it was 30-13 that yeah what do these boys think now of 5a ball now that you are playing the defending 5a champs. How do you like that! It is big boy ball now!! Next thing you know i went home severely nauseated and the rest is history. SLC turned into a 5a dynasty. To top it off, we left the wrong way and ended up close to SL. Stopped at some very good sandwitch place. I forget what kind but it was not American but so good. All of these SLC fans were there and coming in and i was like lets go this is humiliating. Everybody was looking at us like what the heck are you doing here. I was trying to cover up my purple shirt out of embarrassment of going the wrong way but it did not work. HaHa All of the SLC fans were very nice and classy though. Talked to one about the Chandlers going to Iowa.

Ok i am sorry i got off topic. Proceedprobaly went to the turkey(the food, not the country) shop in abbott(home of willie).

[pack0808]

probaly went to the turkey(the food, not the country) shop in abbott(home of willie).


I will ask my dad he would remember.

[South Texas]

i'm sorry, i don't follow your reasoning, or at least don't know what point you are trying to make.
say if dodge coaches 10 more years, which he will. his record will move up the list. 20 years ago did SLC have a program like they do now?

[dragonsdaddy]

yes. they won state titles in 88 92 and 93, and went to semis 2 times more. he'll be coaching for 20 years, but it'll be at the collegiate level for 18 of it. i see what you are saying however. thanks for the explanation.

[Firebird]

Coach Lineweaver was an assistant at Southlake at one time. His son played for Southlake, and his son is a coach at a Southlake middle school. I thought everyone new about this?

Haka, you can't expect people from all over the state to follow the career track and personal life of every single Metroplex coach. It is a big state out there. I knew that Lineweaver had enjoyed significant success at Trinity, before that, I would have had no reason to know about his assistanship at Southlake, or what his son is doing. No need to talk down to people.

[FeeltheHaka]

Haka, you can't expect people from all over the state to follow the career track and personal life of every single Metroplex coach. It is a big state out there. I knew that Lineweaver had enjoyed significant success at Trinity, before that, I would have had no reason to know about his assistanship at Southlake, or what his son is doing. No need to talk down to people.

Please accept my apology, I did not mean to come across or sound that way.

[FeeltheHaka]

I could not give a list of the top 20 coaches, but I would give my # 1 vote to Coach Todd Dodge. He has alot of tools, and he knows how to use them. He is a great communicator, and a good strategist at the same time. Also, He effectively uses people around him, and gives credit where it is due.
The most important thing is that he is a great example for the kids, and just an all around nice person.

[South Texas]

http://www.texasfootballratings.com/5ARecPast5yrsrealign.html

same site, hopefully it will settle some heat

[pack0808]

http://www.texasfootballratings.com/5ARecPast5yrsrealign.html

same site, hopefully it will settle some heat


Interesting stuff. The best of the best (most wins) in the last 5 years are
1. SLC 73-6 2. Lufkin 64-8 3. NS 60-4 4. Katy 60-12 Katy definitely gets the edge over NS due to much more success in the playoffs on a consistent basis and a tougher schedule.


The worst of the worst are
1. Houston Northbrook 5-45 :eek: :eek: 2. Laredo United South 8-42 :eek: Not a real shock there 3. Round rock stony point 8-42 :eek:

[Consol Tiger]

weve got the #18 coach..........

[drgnbkr]

I could not give a list of the top 20 coaches, but I would give my # 1 vote to Coach Todd Dodge. He has alot of tools, and he knows how to use them. He is a great communicator, and a good strategist at the same time. Also, He effectively uses people around him, and gives credit where it is due.
The most important thing is that he is a great example for the kids, and just an all around nice person.

No list of top Texas High School coaches is complete without Todd Dodge. 3 Titles in 4 years, with 3 different QB's, and at least 2 completely different defenses, says it all....The only thing close was Midland Lee's 3 straight, but that was done with many of the same players, especially Ced Benson...

[VB Pack Fan]

I'm thinking we need to impliment a three syllable limit.

Thanks for reminding of 02 LP-SLC. How quickly I forget since yall have played three times now. I turned the game off on TSRN after Lane scored to make it 30-13 because I thought it was over. Woops.

That is the reason Lufkin lost in 2002. With a 16 point lead late in the third, Lane running hard ,and Outlaw stopped running him in the fourth. Lane was at his best in the 4th when teams were tired.........

[Firebird]

http://www.texasfootballratings.com/5ARecPast5yrsrealign.html

same site, hopefully it will settle some heat


Thanks, SoTex. I will show this to some friends, hopefully it will settle the dispute over the top RGV team.

Harlingen and La Joya are tied for most wins (42), but Harlingen also has more losses (17 vs. 15). That lowers Harlingen's winning %, but since it also gives two extra games to Harlingen, those are two playoff games that LJ didn't get to play in. Plus, La Joya plays in the worst district in the Valley.

Wow, seeing how much better SLC is than the rest of the state in hard numbers like that really sheds a new light on things.

[pack0808]

That is the reason Lufkin lost in 2002. With a 16 point lead late in the third, Lane running hard ,and Outlaw stopped running him in the fourth. Lane was at his best in the 4th when teams were tired.........


Yeah blame Outlaw he stinks. Before he got here the state semis were not even in Lufkin's vocabulary. He always plays aggressive it is his style. God forbid it back fired. Looks like it works the vast majority of the time. He wins almost 80% of the time and has won 2 state championships and has led his teams to 4 other state semi appearances in his amazing coaching career.

[dragonfootballfan]

Yeah blame Outlaw he stinks. Before he got here the state semis were not even in Lufkin's vocabulary. He always plays aggressive it is his style. God forbid it back fired. Looks like it works the vast majority of the time. He wins almost 80% of the time and has won 2 state championships and has led his teams to 4 other state semi appearances in his amazing coaching career.
even great coaches make mistakes. He did not say that Outlaw was a bad coach, just that he did not like his decision.

[South Texas]

Yeah blame Outlaw he stinks. Before he got here the state semis were not even in Lufkin's vocabulary. He always plays aggressive it is his style. God forbid it back fired. Looks like it works the vast majority of the time. He wins almost 80% of the time and has won 2 state championships and has led his teams to 4 other state semi appearances in his amazing coaching career.

Count all the head coaches and ask them how many has at least one state ring

[pack0808]

even great coaches make mistakes. He did not say that Outlaw was a bad coach, just that he did not like his decision.

I agree that all coaches make mistakes. No doubt!! My point is this,
He always is aggressive! That is his style. When i heard some of the fans blame Outlaw for that loss after the game i wanted to puke. I just know what he has done for Lufkin football and i just can't make myself blame him for a game. If that particular pass would have went for a td instead of a int then everybody would have been talking about how that was genius and what a great call it was. If he would have only run the ball and got stuffed and SLC came back and won we would have heard how he was way too conservative and that is why they lost. Damned if you do damned if you dont. The fact is the players did not get it done late in the game. There was numerous chances. Even a should have been int on a 4th down play late in the 4th where it bounced off the Lufkin guys hands and chest and a SLC player got it for a 1st down to keep the drive going. All he really needed to do is knock it down and the game is over. The God's were just not with us that day. ;)

[pack0808]

Count all the head coaches and ask them how many has at least one state ring


Not many

[South Texas]

I agree that all coaches make mistakes. No doubt!! My point is this,
He always is aggressive! That is his style. When i heard some of the fans blame Outlaw for that loss after the game i wanted to puke. I just know what he has done for Lufkin football and i just can't make myself blame him for a game. If that particular pass would have went for a td instead of a int then everybody would have been talking about how that was genius and what a great call it was. If he would have only run the ball and got stuffed and SLC came back and won we would have heard how he was too conservative and that is why the lost. Damned if you do damned if you dont. The fact is the players did not get it done late in the game. Their was numerous chances. Even a int on a 4th down play late in the 4th where it bounced off the Lufkin guys hands and chest and a SLC player got it for a 1st down to keep the drive going. The God's were just not with us that day. ;)

How soon the cow forgets they were a calf. Winning makes people forget the past. Also, anytime you play past Thankgiving weekend you had a successful year. Of course winning it all is sure nice

[pack0808]

How soon the cow forgets they were a calf. Winning makes people forget the past. Also, anytime you play past Thankgiving weekend you had a successful year. Of course winning it all is sure nice


Your right! Winning makes fans spoiled but it is also wonderful to have high expectations. winning does that. I just think it is important to remember where you came from to get here and not take it for granted. When i hear the Lufkin people moan and whine about losing in the state semis 3 out of the last 5 years to one of the greatest texas hs football dynasty's ever i just ask them remember how it was before the Outlaw era. Outlaw brought Lufkin their first ever state championship in 2001 and if it was not for SLC then the pack could possibly have 2 or 3 more? I understand that we as fans will still sometimes question things and i realize great coaches still make mistakes. It is just hard for me to do and i get defensive when i hear it.

[drgnbkr]

When you get to the final few playoff games, very little seperates the teams...Lufkin is very well set to continue their deep runs.....

[lonny23]

How many of these coaches DONT have State titles?
I think most of them don't have a title.

[lonny23]

Thanks, SoTex. I will show this to some friends, hopefully it will settle the dispute over the top RGV team.

Harlingen and La Joya are tied for most wins (42), but Harlingen also has more losses (17 vs. 15). That lowers Harlingen's winning %, but since it also gives two extra games to Harlingen, those are two playoff games that LJ didn't get to play in. Plus, La Joya plays in the worst district in the Valley.

Wow, seeing how much better SLC is than the rest of the state in hard numbers like that really sheds a new light on things.
In a Harlingen-LaJoya argument go with....

the team that loses by less points to Judson!:D

[South Texas]

Your right! Winning makes fans spoiled but it is also wonderful to have high expectations. winning does that. I just think it is important to remember where you came from to get here and not take it for granted. When i hear the Lufkin people moan and whine about losing in the state semis 3 out of the last 5 years to one of the greatest texas hs football dynasty's ever i just ask them remember how it was before the Outlaw era. Outlaw brought Lufkin their first ever state championship in 2001 and if it was not for SLC then the pack could possibly have 2 or 3 more? I understand that we as fans will still sometimes question things and i realize great coaches still make mistakes. It is just hard for me to do and i get defensive when i hear it.

Also, didn't Lufkin's QB get injured the week before. Gee how smart are the fans today. Tell them to go back to the rock they crawl out of. Heck, they're probably the same ones who weren't in sports while they were in school

[pack0808]

Also, didn't Lufkin's QB get injured the week before. Gee how smart are the fans today. Tell them to go back to the rock they crawl out of. Heck, they're probably the same ones who weren't in sports while they were in school


Lufkin has faced SLC in the state semis in 2002, 2004, and 2005. Both the 2002 and 2004 games were tied 30-30 with only a few minutes left. Last year was not as close but you are right Lufkin was missing their star qb. I think SLC still would have won but it would have been much closer.


All teams have their share of rotten fans. We have plenty of quality fans also so it evens out.

[SVite]

Are there 5 coches on that list that any school would rather have than Todd Dodge?


Put Dodge at SA Lee and see how he does!;)

[South Texas]

Put Dodge and Outlaw at the valley. That is the true test of a great coach and the records. Sometimes it help to have a weak region to start your playoffs. I don't wish to be in the valley and play Judson the first round. But Stuff Happens

[drgnbkr]

Put Dodge at SA Lee and see how he does!;)

He'd probably uncover another Tommy Kramer & be just fine....:D