Better Division

[texasboy]

Which division has better teams d1 or d2 and why?
Which one has the toughiest playoffs?

[dragonsdaddy]

the unanswerable question deserves an imponderable answer- depends.

[Slim-Rob]

This question is pretty hard to answer....I picked Div. I....but it's really impossible to know.

[t00 playa]

Impossible to know.. and changes with the season... sometimes DIV I is top heavy..... sometimes its DII... sometimes its pretty evenly distributed....just because the higher ranked team or "consensus" top team comes out of particular div doesnt make it the "toughest" they could be the best team period... and be the only team in thier particular div, walking over lesser competition.... however.. if parity in a div is there.. then that is tough... hard question to answer...:eek:

[drgnbkr]

Impossible to know.. and changes with the season... sometimes DIV I is top heavy..... sometimes its DII... sometimes its pretty evenly distributed....just because the higher ranked team or "consensus" top team comes out of particular div doesnt make it the "toughest" they could be the best team period... and be the only team in thier particular div, walking over lesser competition.... however.. if parity in a div is there.. then that is tough... hard question to answer...:eek:

I believe that D-2 has the higher % of better coaches right now..it cycles around and is not always this way..but for now D-2 rules...

[dragonsdaddy]

if nothing else is proveable, the d-2 road was a game longer, until next year anyway.

[Slim-Rob]

if nothing else is proveable, the d-2 road was a game longer, until next year anyway.

Thats true. I think its about even as far as the difficulty of each one. Region 4 minus select SA area teams really isn't that good, but the rest of the Regions are pretty good.

[Drake]

the unanswerable question deserves an imponderable answer- depends.Perfect answer.

A bigger school should equate to more talent, but it seems a lot more goes into winning in football than just being the most talented...

[LP_FAN_in_Plano]

I definetly think that last year Div. 2 was the toughest. With South Lake, Lufkin, Katy, Copperas Cove, Plano, Abilene and SV in Div. 2 it was considerably more difficult to win it all than in Div. 1

[slorch]

just like bowl games, having Divisions is STUPID! play the tourney and the last one standing is the champ!

[texasboy]

SO do you think the way the NCAA does it is better then how we do it in high school? I disagree with you on that i think we should let the teams play until 8 teams remain in each division then combine the divisions into one then the best team will come out on top and their will be no complaints

[slorch]

SO do you think the way the NCAA does it is better then how we do it in high school? I disagree with you on that i think we should let the teams play until 8 teams remain in each division then combine the divisions into one then the best team will come out on top and their will be no complaints
nope, the NCAA has it wrong too.

I would like to see:
The top3 teams go to the POs with a minimum of 7 teams in a district. Give the district Champ a bye in the first round.

[texasboy]

if they do that other teams are going to be mad if their record is better than the other team that won district. I like to see top 8 teams from eachother play each other that would be fair for everyone

[Humblefied]

you never really can tell what the divisions will turn out like as well. in 04' we played in Division I and 05' if we had made the playoffs *holds head down* we would have played in 06' being the biggest school in our district, but this last year even with gaining more kids we played in division II. You can never tell.

[Firebird]

DII gets 2x the teams as DII, so theoretically there is a higher probability of good teams landing there. I really don't see the big numbers as the extreme advantage some people do.. If that were the case, Plano East would be a powerhouse.

But it cycles back and forth. Last year DII was by far the tougher division.

[slorch]

if they do that other teams are going to be mad if their record is better than the other team that won district. I like to see top 8 teams from eachother play each other that would be fair for everyone
don't penalize teams for having tough non-district schedule. Keep it all black and white, and keep the subjectivity(polls) out of it.

[KatyTigerDad0407]

A third selection on the poll would have been nice. This year, both brackets will have the same amount of teams. I vote for one more game.

[pack0808]

It varies from year to year but the last 2 years div 2 wins easily overall. No comparison actually. div2 had 8 of the top 10 and 17 of the top 25 teams going into the playoffs last year. Division 1 was tougher in 2003. It should even out more considering division 1 will have 64 teams next year.

[dragonfootballfan]

if nothing else is proveable, the d-2 road was a game longer, until next year anyway.
it also had 2/3 of the playoff teams, which means that a more good teams will be in that bracket. Now that it is even, it is impossible to tell right now.

[mojo61]

I definetly think that last year Div. 2 was the toughest. With South Lake, Lufkin, Katy, Copperas Cove, Plano, Abilene and SV in Div. 2 it was considerably more difficult to win it all than in Div. 1

Gosh, I was surprised to see Abilene listed as a strong team in '05, but I was glad Ab. got mentioned among such good teams. Ab. was very strong in '04 but wasn't very good in '05 (not consistent enough for one thing--I'm hoping they'll be better in '06).

Usually, I think, D2 is stronger, but I agree it varies back and forth as to which Div. is the toughest in which to win a st. champ. When you consider SLC, Lufkin, Katy, & SV (yr. in & yr. out), man that's a "tough row to hoe," as my dear old dad used to say, for any challenger.

[drgnbkr]

Gosh, I was surprised to see Abilene listed as a strong team in '05, but I was glad Ab. got mentioned among such good teams. Ab. was very strong in '04 but wasn't very good in '05 (not consistent enough for one thing--I'm hoping they'll be better in '06).

Usually, I think, D2 is stronger, but I agree it varies back and forth as to which Div. is the toughest in which to win a st. champ. When you consider SLC, Lufkin, Katy, & SV (yr. in & yr. out), man that's a "tough row to hoe," as my dear old dad used to say, for any challenger.

Until Carroll beat Abilene 52-0, everyone felt AHS was pretty good in 05..I still believe they were good..good night for the Dragons in Waco, bad night for the people from Abilene.

[bubbacoach]

I guess those chumps in Div 1 have an easy road with Westfield, Northshore, Judson, Euless Trinity, etc.... Both divisions have quality teams. Div 1 if it is easier, it is because they have one fewer game. (In the past)

[thebiggestfan]

just like bowl games, having Divisions is STUPID! play the tourney and the last one standing is the champ!
That would take forevvvvvverrr

[bubbacoach]

How many district champs were in each division?

[dragonfootballfan]

That would take forevvvvvverrr
like one more week

[LP_FAN_in_Plano]

I guess those chumps in Div 1 have an easy road with Westfield, Northshore, Judson, Euless Trinity, etc.... Both divisions have quality teams. Div 1 if it is easier, it is because they have one fewer game. (In the past)
While I agree that both divisions have quality teams, in this past years playoffs, division 2 had 11 undefeated teams going into the playoffs as opposed to 5 undefeated teams in division 1.

[dragonsdaddy]

While I agree that both divisions have quality teams, in this past years playoffs, division 2 had 11 undefeated teams going into the playoffs as opposed to 5 undefeated teams in division 1.
considering that there are twice as many teams in d-2, that really isn't much difference.

[drgnbkr]

considering that there are twice as many teams in d-2, that really isn't much difference.

I hate it when you confuse us with the facts!...:D

[LP_FAN_in_Plano]

considering that there are twice as many teams in d-2, that really isn't much difference.
Yeah there is a difference. All the teams in played the same number of games as their respective districts The smaller schools posted better records. The larger schools had opportunities to to win more games. Only five stepped up and went undefeated in the regular season. Look back through the brackets. You will notice that the win/loss records for division 2 are better than division 1. Division 2 has been the better side of the bracket for the last 2 years. In my opinion, any of the final four teams from last years division 2 playoffs would have most likely walked through the division one side.

[dragonsdaddy]

Yeah there is a difference. All the teams in played the same number of games as their respective districts The smaller schools posted better records. The larger schools had opportunities to to win more games. Only five stepped up and went undefeated in the regular season. Look back through the brackets. You will notice that the win/loss records for division 2 are better than division 1. Division 2 has been the better side of the bracket for the last 2 years. In my opinion, any of the final four teams from last years division 2 playoffs would have most likely walked through the division one side.
your arguement using undefeated teams is not significant. i agree with the strength of d-2, but not because of the "equal" undefeated teams. out of 32 teams, 15.6 % went undefeated. in d-2, out of 64 teams, 17.2 % went undefeated. not terribly significant, me thinks.

[LP_FAN_in_Plano]

your arguement using undefeated teams is not significant. i agree with the strength of d-2, but not because of the "equal" undefeated teams. out of 32 teams, 15.6 % went undefeated. in d-2, out of 64 teams, 17.2 % went undefeated. not terribly significant, me thinks.
me thinks this, 25 teams in division 2 were district champs as opposed to 12 district champs going division 1. Not only did d-2 have more undefeated teams, they also had more one loss teams 11 as opposed to 3.Let's do some more math. 50% of the districts (16)had one team go undefeated in the regular season. of this number (16) 31% (5) went to division 1, 69% (11) went to division 2. With 32 districts division 1 had 12 district champs which equates to 37.5% while division 2 had 20 district champs which equates to 62.5%. you can try to say that this is a 2 to 1 ration (and it is) the same as the number of teams in D-2 compared to D-1, but the fact is only 32 teams max can go undefeated, or be district champs. In both scenerios D-2 has the better numbers.

[dragonsdaddy]

me thinks this, 25 teams in division 2 were district champs as opposed to 12 district champs going division 1. Not only did d-2 have more undefeated teams, they also had more one loss teams 11 as opposed to 3.Let's do some more math. 50% of the districts (16)had one team go undefeated in the regular season. of this number (16) 31% (5) went to division 1, 69% (11) went to division 2. With 32 districts division 1 had 12 district champs which equates to 37.5% while division 2 had 20 district champs which equates to 62.5%. you can try to say that this is a 2 to 1 ration (and it is) the same as the number of teams in D-2 compared to D-1, but the fact is only 32 teams max can go undefeated, or be district champs. In both scenerios D-2 has the better numbers.
the statistical relevence of this argument escapes me.

[LP_FAN_in_Plano]

the statistical relevence of this argument escapes me.
I'm sure

[dragonsdaddy]

I'm sure
let's play a little game, and say that there were 1 more undefeated team in d-1, making d-1 have 6 while d-2 had 11. would you now be arguing that d-1 was the stronger? with the few teams involved, it is statistically irrelevant. i still agree with your opinion, just not your argument for it.

[DrEdward]

As dragondaddy so eloquently stated, it depends. However, if we look back over the period when this split division has been applicable, I think most of us would agree that it is the D-2 schools which have largely been the stronger teams, not only in 5A, but in the lower classifications as well. Surely there have been years when D-1 was the stronger, such as North Shore a few years ago, but fundamentally, I will stick with D-2. If nothing else, the D-2 winner has had to make it through one more round, at least until next season.

[drgnbkr]

All I know is..I'm getting tired head trying to figure out why it matters....unless they let D-1 & D-2 champs go at it...we won't know..

[LP_FAN_in_Plano]

let's play a little game, and say that there were 1 more undefeated team in d-1, making d-1 have 6 while d-2 had 11. would you now be arguing that d-1 was the stronger? with the few teams involved, it is statistically irrelevant. i still agree with your opinion, just not your argument for it.
DD,
No I would not argue that D-1 was stronger in this scenerio, and I am not looking for or need your agreement with my arguement. All I am saying is that out of 32 districts only 32 (at a maximum) teams may go undefeated. Each team has the same opportunity to post a perfect regular season record. More teams who went Division 2 did that. Also in 32 districts there can be only 32 district champs. Again each team has the same opportunity to win their district. Again more teams who went division 2 won their district. In fact Division 2 had more one loss teams as compared to Division 1 as well as two loss teams. You are the one who wants to invalidate my arguement by stating that with twice the number of teams in division 2 there should be twice as many undefeated teams.

[pack0808]

All I know is..I'm getting tired head trying to figure out why it matters....unless they let D-1 & D-2 champs go at it...we won't know..


They go at it during the regular season. In 2004 and 2005 the div1 champ lost to a div 2 team. In 2004, the div1 champ Tyler Lee lost to two div2 teams that were not even the div2 champs in Lufkin and Longview. The div1 champ in 2005 ET lost to SGP who lost early in the div2 playoffs. That tells me something right there. The actual results speak for themselves me thinks. ;) No question which division has been the toughest in the last 2 years in my opinion. Division 1 was tougher in 2003.