The two best QBs in the Metroplex?

[jtk1519]

Mansfield Summit's John Chiles and Southlake Carroll's Riley Dodge were both at the Scout.com combine in Waco and both aparently blew people away. Dodge is just a junior and Chiles is expected to commit to Texas in the very near future.

Mansfield Summit quarterback John Chiles showed up at the camp and tested off the charts, running the third fastest time of the camp at a 4.39. Many wondered if Chiles would shine at the camp, because his style of play is better accentuated in a position where he can pull the ball down and run. However, with his off the charts test scores he showed his athleticism while proving that also had a killer arm.

The best pure passing quarterback at the camp was Southlake Carroll’s Riley Dodge, who is the son of Carroll head coach Todd Dodge and a 2008 prospect. While a little undersized he still has room to add height and has a super strong arm with pinpoint accuracy. He appears to be the next great in a long line of Carroll quarterbacks.

http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=110&p=2&c=507821

[dragonsdaddy]

wonder what riley timed for the forty, as he can really scoot too. he will be the dual threat that we had with the 2 chases. it'll be the dodge ball of old in 06-07.

[AZTiger]

is that time FAT or hand timed?

[jtk1519]

is that time FAT or hand timed?

These times are usually very legit. These combines that Scout and Rivals run are very professionaly done. I'm not exactlly sure what instraments they sue, but if they time a kid running a 4.39, the kid is a legit high 4.3 to low 4.4 guy.

[jtk1519]

wonder what riley timed for the forty, as he can really scoot too. he will be the dual threat that we had with the 2 chases. it'll be the dodge ball of old in 06-07.

I would like to know too. Rivals lists him as running a 4.6, but I have heard he can run in the 4.5 range.

[Texasfrog]

What is Chiles projected to play in college ? WR, DB or even QB ??

[jtk1519]

What is Chiles projected to play in college ? WR, DB or even QB ??

He's being recruited as a QB, but he played WR for Summit last year so if a trasition is needed of him at the college level, it won't be difficult.

[KT1ss24]

I would like to know too. Rivals lists him as running a 4.6, but I have heard he can run in the 4.5 range.

Supposebley someone form inside the SLC program says he timed in the 4.4's last testinf period, that could be true or just a way to scare people but either way i'd say hes a beast, 4.6 or 4.4

[dragonsdaddy]

riley runs on the sprint and mile relay, so i assume he's got some significant speed. his quickness is really his best asset, however, concerning his lower extremities.

[CKE]

riley is a very good quarter back but i hope he is not a part of the team that breaks the SLC streak or he will be looked at very diff. and people will not give him the the praise he deserves

[dragonsdaddy]

no one holds c daniel responsible for our "losing season" in 03. rd will give it his best, and that is all anyone can ask.

[CKE]

no one holds c daniel responsible for our "losing season" in 03. rd will give it his best, and that is all anyone can ask.

thats because ya'll were still 15-1 lol what i ment is i hope this is not the year SLC has its downfall (unless its to sv :D ) cause though it might not really be his fault people would look at it that way

[dragonsdaddy]

i hope not. the dodge name has been too valuable to slc for that kind of response.

[jtk1519]

I've only seen Riley play a few times, but he impressed the hell out of me every time. His pure speed may not be the best on the field. From what I have seen, I would buy the fact that he runs a high 4.5-4.6 40, but Riley's strength while running is not his pure speed, but his agility and ability to make people miss. He's not a rigid runner like most mobile QBs are. Riley is very fluid when he runs and that is what makes him a little special in my opinion.

[VB Pack Fan]

Dodge should be a good QB because of his envoriment. He most likey was throwing before he was writing or counting to ten. After HS his qb days will be over because he still going to be undersize two yrs from now.I ve seen his and he,s small. As for those forty times....well I come too see that teams fudge the numbers, just like they do the weights on some players.:eek:

[drgnbkr]

The paper today said Chiles was being recruited by UT to be a WR because they are so loaded at QB and when the crowd thinned out, take a look at hem at QB...that could all change with a big year at QB for Summit.

[jtk1519]

Dodge should be a good QB because of his envoriment. He most likey was throwing before he was writing or counting to ten. After HS his qb days will be over because he still going to be undersize two yrs from now.I ve seen his and he,s small.

Rivals has Riley Dodge listed as 6'0 around 170 and that is as a soph. That is around the exact same size Drew Tate was his senior year when he received multiple scholarship offers and wound up at Iowa where he has been starting for a couple of years. Riley is small, but to say he will be done after high school is ludicrous. Hell, Chase Wasson was only 5'10 and he's playing college football. Riley, if he can do as well at SLC as we all expect, will be a highly sought after prospect.

As for those forty times....well I come too see that teams fudge the numbers, just like they do the weights on some players.:eek:

40 times from high schools aren't all that accurate, but as was stated earlier, the 40 time listed for Chiles was timed at a scouting combine... not a high school. Chiles' high school actually has him listed as running a 4.45 40.

[VB Pack Fan]

Rivals has Riley Dodge listed as 6'0 around 170 and that is as a soph. That is around the exact same size Drew Tate was his senior year when he received multiple scholarship offers and wound up at Iowa where he has been starting for a couple of years. Riley is small, but to say he will be done after high school is ludicrous. Hell, Chase Wasson was only 5'10 and he's playing college football. Riley, if he can do as well at SLC as we all expect, will be a highly sought after prospect.



40 times from high schools aren't all that accurate, but as was stated earlier, the 40 time listed for Chiles was timed at a scouting combine... not a high school. Chiles' high school actually has him listed as running a 4.45 40.

I did not say he could not play ball in college, but he going to have bulk up, and I did not see him as six feet.I don,t mean this as a negative statement but after HS Daniels is the only SLC player really making any noise at the next level. McElroy could be the next one.All the state championships ,but not much after that.SLC has had the amount of players too keep players fresh and the other teams have to play there best the whole game, and they tend to tire in the 3rd and 4th. But that changes in college and the players there are better and can complete.SLC only has one player in the NFL ,right and he,s a kicker....correct me if theres more.Oh but look where Chase is playing, not big time college ball there. And heights have been fugded too, Lane had been listed his soph year at 6"1, too 6"2, he,s 5"11

[Jtate862003]

didnt matter what javorskies size was..he still just ran over people...

[VB Pack Fan]

didnt matter what javorskies size was..he still just ran over people...

You are a 100% right :)

[the_great_state_of_TExas]

and Lane is not finished growing.... the last I saw he was around 275....

Watch out J-Bus... here comes the J-Train

[Texasfrog]

I've only seen Riley play a few times, but he impressed the hell out of me every time. His pure speed may not be the best on the field. From what I have seen, I would buy the fact that he runs a high 4.5-4.6 40, but Riley's strength while running is not his pure speed, but his agility and ability to make people miss. He's not a rigid runner like most mobile QBs are. Riley is very fluid when he runs and that is what makes him a little special in my opinion.

Seeing Riley play on tape. He has "football speed" with a uniform on. He also has those "instincts" that you cant coach. Like you say,, he has the ability to make people slide off of him and miss him. Sometimes that means a lot more than just speed.

[Texasfrog]

Rivals has Riley Dodge listed as 6'0 around 170 and that is as a soph. That is around the exact same size Drew Tate was his senior year when he received multiple scholarship offers and wound up at Iowa where he has been starting for a couple of years. Riley is small, but to say he will be done after high school is ludicrous. Hell, Chase Wasson was only 5'10 and he's playing college football. Riley, if he can do as well at SLC as we all expect, will be a highly sought after prospect.



40 times from high schools aren't all that accurate, but as was stated earlier, the 40 time listed for Chiles was timed at a scouting combine... not a high school. Chiles' high school actually has him listed as running a 4.45 40.

I'm with ya.

Drew Brees is about 6-0 and he made the NFL Pro Bowl as a QB.

Ty Detmer is about 6-0 and won the Heisman and has played in the NFL for freaking ever as a backup mostly. Still making "Millions".

Koy Detmer is maybe 6-1..

Drew Tate is maybe 6-0 and was 1st Big-10 QB.

Those are just the Texas boys.. Everyone knows Doug Flutie at about 5-9.

I think Riley Dodge will have the ability to play major D-1A football at the QB position. College Scouts will look at his arm strength more then anything because I believe he's about 5-11 right now and may grow another "inch" or so.

PS. Those knocking Chase Wasson.. He does play at the D-1AA level and had a pretty good season last year as an "athlete" for Texas State. I do predict that he'll have a couple of solid seasons at Texas State before he departs campus for the real-life.

Also.. those knocking D-1AA college football. Dont unless you played it. Ya, it aint the Big-12 or SEC. But, those boys can play some pretty good football on that level. I would say the top #10 or so D-1AA programs each season could compete "head to head" with the #70--#100 D-1A programs each season.

I mean.. freaking Maine (D-1AA) beat Miss. St (SEC) two years ago.

[Texasfrog]

He's being recruited as a QB, but he played WR for Summit last year so if a trasition is needed of him at the college level, it won't be difficult.

Ya.. it sounds like he is a Hell of an "athlete." I've never seen anything of him but everything I read is "Wow."

I think his senior year will be a big indicator about his fulltime QB potential. Anyway, he sounds like one of those "athlete" type of kids that you cant pass on.

[dragonfootballfan]

I'm with ya.

Drew Brees is about 6-0 and he made the NFL Pro Bowl as a QB.

Ty Detmer is about 6-0 and won the Heisman and has played in the NFL for freaking ever as a backup mostly. Still making "Millions".

Koy Detmer is maybe 6-1..

Drew Tate is maybe 6-0 and was 1st Big-10 QB.


There are many more stories of people that were not tall enough. It is not impossible to play quarterback at under 6-0 tall at the highest level, but it is more difficult than being taller than 6-3. Riley will be a great quarterback for Carroll if he stays healthy. It will be a wait and see for him at the next level

[crunked9]

I just want to say, that i have know riley since he was in i thyink 6th grade, have watched him play little people football and all the way up. He will do great!

But he is a little punk and i'm gonna smack him around next time i see him! :D

[CCHS77]

I just want to say, that i have know riley since he was in i thyink 6th grade, have watched him play little people football and all the way up. He will do great!

But he is a little punk and i'm gonna smack him around next time i see him! :D

Hey c9,

Rumor has it that Riley is getting a little taller, faster and stronger, while you’re just getting rounder! (and still can’t hit the curve ball!)

Who might be the “smacker” and who might be the “smackee”?
:D

[dragonsdaddy]

Hey c9,

Rumor has it that Riley is getting a little taller, faster and stronger, while you’re just getting rounder! (and still can’t hit the curve ball!)

Who might be the “smacker” and who might be the “smackee”?
:D
ouch. as a hs cowboy fan, we are expecting "big" thinks from c-9.

[alnegle07]

nathan dick

[drgnbkr]

nathan dick

What about him?

[KT2000]

Some good ones who I haven't seen mentioned yet...

Denzel Dewberry- South Grand Prairie (Sr. to be...dual threat, very good junior year)

Daren Dillard- Garland Lakeview Centennial (Sr. to be..dual threat, similar year to Dewberry last year except with more passing yards)

Nick Florence- South Garland (Jr. to be...stepped in during the regular season and put up good numbers, Colonels may have done more if he was the man from day one last year)

Greg Hunter- Garland (Sr. to be...very efficient year in 2005, lots of talent to work with in 06)

[grayowl60]

Some good ones who I haven't seen mentioned yet...

Denzel Dewberry- South Grand Prairie (Sr. to be...dual threat, very good junior year)

Daren Dillard- Garland Lakeview Centennial (Sr. to be..dual threat, similar year to Dewberry last year except with more passing yards)

Nick Florence- South Garland (Jr. to be...stepped in during the regular season and put up good numbers, Colonels may have done more if he was the man from day one last year)

Greg Hunter- Garland (Sr. to be...very efficient year in 2005, lots of talent to work with in 06)
Expect Florence to pass 25+ times per game.
Garland will have a strong D. If they can pass some, watch for round four.:eek:

[JagDad07]

BTW - John Chiles ran a 4.25 hand held during the week before spring break when they were timing the kids. The 4.39 is electronic and is valid.

John played WR last year because he came in right at the beginning of two a days and didn't have time to get used to the Flexbone offense Summit ran as it's base set. He's the starter this year and Summit is switching to an "Urban Myer" style offense.

And in case you wanted to know, my son ran a 4.9, but he's a defensive end and only a freshman.

[Gtown2006]

florence will end up a stud.
as for greg hunter, all he has to do is get just a tad bit of time to throw it up to malcolm williams. malcolm was hurt towards the end of the season last year so he couldnt help us in the playoffs but i really think that he could have made i huge diffrence. not to mention our other two 3 year varsity playing wr. if the coaches will let him greg could throw for some big numbers this year.

[KT2000]

I thought Garland had a very effective offense in 99 when they struck a good balance between the running and the passing game. If they can find a similar balance to what they had in 99, I wouldn't be surprised to see Garland have another special year given how good the defense will be.

I don't think teams have to throw 20+ times a game to be successful as long as they are able to move it on the ground consistently. I'd guess Garland threw about 15 times on average per game in 99. As an outsider, I'd use that template (99) for the talent on the 2006 offense if I'm the OC.

Williams and Little will put a lot of pressure on a defense with their presence on the field, and that should open things up for players like Hunter and Wooten to showcase their ability as well.

[Gtown2006]

yeah most defenatly as long as they are out there they are a threat and you know garland has the running game down. when do they not. but seriously not just cause i attend garland i will be graduating but garland will go deep next year. they defenatly got the squad and a few sleepers on d that nobody really knows about

[sgfantoo]

Nick Florence- South Garland (Jr. to be...stepped in during the regular season and put up good numbers, Colonels may have done more if he was the man from day one last year)

If by more you mean a better record and a closer game with Lufkin I agree. SG would have beaten Plano West. IMO, SG would have beat Rowlett. As far as GHS, the game would have been even better. The game would have still gone down to the end. I do not know if Florence could have played a much better game throwing an interception on the first play for a GHS touchdown then coming back. I think the GHS game matured Florence and prepared him for the remainder of the season, not losing again until Lufkin.

However, if SG had gone into the game against Longview at 8-2, one of the top teams in the Dallas area, the the SG-Longview game would be played under much different circumstances.

So SG might have gone out at 8-3.