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dada
03-08-2006, 08:19 AM
Stop the Vinsanity
Stop the Vinsanity

By Terry Bowden, Yahoo! Sports
March 3, 2006




Have we found enough reasons why Vince Young is not one of the top two quarterbacks in the NFL draft?

Let's see. He has a funny throwing motion. He runs too much. He hasn't been under the center. He can't read defenses. He didn't throw at the combine. He has questionable representation. He scored a six – make that a 16 – on the Wonderlic test.

Shoot, next they'll be telling me he puts mayonnaise on his cheeseburgers and watches figure skating.

Seriously though, are we talking about the same Vince Young who I saw hang 41 on Southern California in the Rose Bowl? The same Vince Young who calmly put the entire Texas football team on his shoulders and led them from 12 points down in the fourth quarter to win the national championship? Is it the same Vince Young who is 6-foot-5, 235 pounds, and runs like a deer? The same Vince Young who led the nation in passing efficiency?

Well, if we're talking about that Vince Young, then I think you're crazy if you don't think he ought to be one of the top three picks in the draft.

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I know that determining the top quarterback in the NFL draft is not an exact science. For every Peyton Manning and Carson Palmer there is a Ryan Leaf and Tim Couch. And there are a lot of things about Vince Young that I don't know. I don't know how quickly he can count backwards in multiples of 13, or how many words he misspells when he writes a letter to his mother.

But I do know one thing: When the game is on the line and all the marbles are on the table, he will play at his very best – and he will deliver.

I call it poise under pressure, and every great quarterback who ever played the game has had it. If you looked it up in my dictionary, you would find a picture of Joe Montana. It can only be measured on the field of battle, and every tool of evaluation at a combine pales in comparison.

I have watched Vince Young play a lot of football games over the last two years. During that time he has run off 20 straight victories, been named the MVP of the Rose Bowl twice and beaten a great Ohio State team in Columbus.

But in the closing minutes of the national championship game against USC, with Texas down by 12, I saw everything I needed to see about Vince Young. With the poise under pressure that all the great ones have, he confidently completed 10 of 13 passes and ran for two touchdowns and a two-point conversion to single-handedly win the game and the championship for the Longhorns.

So, what do I know about Vince Young?

I know:


He is taller than Dan Marino.
He is bigger than Terry Bradshaw.
He is faster than Brett Favre.
He has a stronger arm than Joe Montana.
He has a prettier release than Bernie Kosar (OK, that's debatable).
But more than that, he has poise under pressure, and that's the most important thing of all.


Terry Bowden is Yahoo! Sports' college football analyst. Send him a question or comment for potential use in a future column.

Updated on Friday, Mar 3, 2006 3:

KT2000
03-08-2006, 08:59 AM
Some are finally starting to drop down from Wonderlicland now that the combine is over.

I don't think his stock has dropped near as much as TV/radio leads us to believe. As I stated before, the media gets the smokescreened version of things. The goal of scouts/agents is to muddy the picture as much as possible.

Even if there are serious questions, there won't be once he works out for the individual teams in my opinion.

Reaganrattler07
03-08-2006, 10:09 AM
Jay Cutler has moved up I think...

SeguinMatadors
03-08-2006, 10:40 AM
Jay Cutler has moved up I think...

You think Cutler has moved ahead of VY?:confused:

dada
03-08-2006, 10:41 AM
You think Cutler has moved ahead of VY?:confused:
He could possibly be the first QB or taken

SeguinMatadors
03-08-2006, 10:46 AM
He could possibly be the first QB or taken

I think that would be a huge mistake.

ktchamp97
03-08-2006, 10:58 AM
If you believe Mel Kiper, the combine didn't help Cutler nearly as much as other media members would have you believe. According to his sources, the scouts were impressed that Cutler worked out, but that his actual performance on the field and in the interviews wasn't what they expected. Personally, I see Cutler as another J.P. Losman. A big-armed, big-ego'd, ****** from a smaller school, with a career losing record. Time will tell.

KT2000
03-08-2006, 12:03 PM
That's a good point you brought up about being from a losing program. You can't teach winning mentality, and that's where Vince far eclipses any other QB in the draft save for Leinart.

dada
03-08-2006, 12:13 PM
That's a good point you brought up about being from a losing program. You can't teach winning mentality, and that's where Vince far eclipses any other QB in the draft save for Leinart.
My memory is fuzzy right now...who was the last team to beat Vince Young in a game that he STARTED....I know it was two, but I cant remember...I keep thinking Austin Westlake.

ktchamp97
03-08-2006, 12:15 PM
My memory is fuzzy right now...who was the last team to beat Vince Young in a game that he STARTED....I know it was two, but I cant remember...I keep thinking Austin Westlake.

Washington State. He wasn't allowed to play after halftime either.

dada
03-08-2006, 12:17 PM
Washington State. He wasn't allowed to play after halftime either.
Probably would have won that game too. Thanks

TheDuke
03-08-2006, 12:19 PM
Jay Cutler has moved up I think...

He will be the next Tim Couch!

stevefoxsc
03-08-2006, 04:05 PM
Personally its just a number watch them over shadow him then pow lead's what ever team he is on to a super bowl then every one starts pumping there vince balloons.

Texasfrog
03-08-2006, 04:36 PM
I think Vince Young is a great athlete. What am I saying.. I know Vince Young is a great athlete. He has done some great awesome things while at Houston Madison and the Univ-Tx.

I can honestly see what concerns NFL scouts, Coaches and ect about the offense he ran at Texas and some of his mechanics (still a very unsound technique).

I think V.Young will be a NFL project for a couple of seasons while he works on his technique and mechanics to adjust to the NFL schemes.

If he really works on all that stuff and ect. He'll be a superstar in the NFL for years to come. I "cant" & "wont" doubt that V.Young can do it.

KT2000
03-08-2006, 06:42 PM
Here is a good article:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/draft/2006-03-01-debate-young_x.htm

BAMF cowboy
03-08-2006, 08:05 PM
Washington State. He wasn't allowed to play after halftime either.

actually i believe it was OU (that was last to beat VY) in the '04 season, their only loss. Washington State was in the Holiday bowl of the '03 season. OU and Arkansas also beat VY that year, but he didn't start those two games.

Slim-Rob
03-08-2006, 08:31 PM
who's Vince Young?

BAMF cowboy
03-08-2006, 08:41 PM
who's Vince Young?

an alias for superman

Slim-Rob
03-08-2006, 08:44 PM
an alias for superman

Oh. SRY, I'm from Rhode Island. I really don't know too much about football...

ktchamp97
03-08-2006, 09:06 PM
actually i believe it was OU (that was last to beat VY) in the '04 season, their only loss. Washington State was in the Holiday bowl of the '03 season. OU and Arkansas also beat VY that year, but he didn't start those two games.

You're right, it was OU. But, he didn't play a single snap of the Arkansas game, so the Piggies didn't beat VY.

Slim-Rob
03-08-2006, 09:49 PM
You're right, it was OU. But, he didn't play a single snap of the Arkansas game, so the Piggies didn't beat VY.

Yes we did. Arkansas is better:D

BAMF cowboy
03-08-2006, 10:55 PM
Oh. SRY, I'm from Rhode Island. I really don't know too much about football...

who said anything about football....:D

DirtyHarry01
03-09-2006, 05:19 AM
2-grand, you're always the first to rush in with more statistics about VINCE's wonderfulness. Wow, I'm amazed. I didn't know VINCE had discovered the cure for lung cancer. I didn't know he had won the Nobel Peace Prize, plus a doctorate from MIT. Thanks for sharing.

dada
03-09-2006, 07:45 AM
2-grand, you're always the first to rush in with more statistics about VINCE's wonderfulness. Wow, I'm amazed. I didn't know VINCE had discovered the cure for lung cancer. I didn't know he had won the Nobel Peace Prize, plus a doctorate from MIT. Thanks for sharing.
DirtyHATER....that's CHUCK NORRIS you're thinking about. This is a Vince Young thread.

KT...posted FACTS....hard to argue with...all the KNOCKS on Vince Young are some writer, who never put on shoulder pads's OPINION.

Slim-Rob
03-09-2006, 10:41 AM
2-grand, you're always the first to rush in with more statistics about VINCE's wonderfulness. Wow, I'm amazed. I didn't know VINCE had discovered the cure for lung cancer. I didn't know he had won the Nobel Peace Prize, plus a doctorate from MIT. Thanks for sharing.

banned.....HAHA

KT2000
03-09-2006, 11:31 AM
All Harry ever did was troll threads. Nothing contributed to the board.

AZTiger
03-09-2006, 11:44 AM
honestly, harry shared my feelings on kt's love for vince, but we've just come to agree to disagree that kt is really rich lord and wants to have vince's babies ;)

jtk1519
03-09-2006, 12:08 PM
Vince has received too much love as it is and he certainly doesn't deserve anymore. Let's be honest... What has this guy really done? Anything special? I think not. It's not like he holds numerous school, BCS and college football records. I could see maybe if he had done something that no QB in college football history had done, but such is not the case.

Show Vince some love?!?! Please! I'm still waiting for Vince to show me... ANYTHING. :rolleyes:

AZTiger
03-09-2006, 12:25 PM
he's gotten plenty of love. i know this title of this thread is just the title of that article, but i think he's gotten plenty of "love"