View Full Version : If the south had won the war
stevefoxsc
03-06-2006, 08:48 PM
a question was asked if the south had won the civil war what would have happend heres your answer
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dragons08
03-06-2006, 08:51 PM
if the south won the war...i wouldnt be sitting here right now, id be up north with my fellow yankees
SeguinMatadors
03-06-2006, 08:55 PM
If the South had won the war... I would probably be a racist.:confused:
dragons08
03-06-2006, 08:55 PM
If the South had won the war... I would probably be a racist.:confused:
depends, where you lived as a kid though
SeguinMatadors
03-06-2006, 08:58 PM
depends, where you lived as a kid though
Tejas!
ktfiend
03-06-2006, 09:02 PM
If the South would've won........
we would a had it made.
I'd probably run for president of the southern states.
The day Elvis passed away would be our national holiday.
If the south would a won we would a had it made.
I'd make my supreme court down in Texas and we wouldn't have no killers getting off free.
If they were proven guilty then they would swing quickly,
instead of writing' books and smiling' on T.V.
We'd all learn Cajun cooking' in Louisiana
and I'd put that capital back in Alabama.
We'd put Florida on the right track, 'cause we'd take Miami back
and throw all them pushers in the slammer.
Oh if the south would a won we would a had it made.
I'd probably run for president of the southern states.
The day young Skynyrd died, we'd show our southern pride.
If the south would a won we would a had it made.
"Play a little Dixieland boys. Ah yes!"
I'd have all the whiskey made in Tennessee
and all the horses raised in those Kentucky hills.
The national treasury would be in Tupelo, Mississippi
and I'd put Hank Williams picture on one hundred dollar bill.
I'd have all the cars made in the Carolina's
and I'd ban all the ones made in China.
I'd have every girl child sent to Georgia to learn to smile
and talk with that southern accent that drives men wild.
I'd have all the fiddles made in Virginia, 'cause they sure can make 'em sound so fine.
I'm going up on Wolver ton Mountain and see ole Clifton Cowers and have a sip of his good ole Arkansas wine.
Hey if the south would a won we'd a had it made.
I'd probably run for president of the southern states.
When Patsy Cline passed away that would be our national holiday.
If the south would a won we'd a had it made.
Olay he he he . I said if the south would a won we would a had it made!
Might even be better off!
Sorry, I just couldn't resist...... :)
dragons08
03-06-2006, 09:03 PM
ktfiend...president? spshhhhhh we know lonny would win that, hed threaten to post more or something!
Miss Kitty
03-06-2006, 09:07 PM
Oh she would be General of our Armies. That little lady can rip throuth anybody. :D
KT2000
03-06-2006, 09:10 PM
"I have a baaaaad feeling about this."
stevefoxsc
03-06-2006, 09:11 PM
i hope theres no flame war's i just saw it as a parody on ebaums forums.
mtbray
03-06-2006, 09:14 PM
If the south had won....
my mother's side of the family would have kept their plantation and wouldn't have lost everything when the north came down and punished everyone.
Assuming my dad would still have been born and met my mother and I would have still been the lucky sperm to make it on that arbitrary night, I would be uber rich and probably loving life right now more than I try to already.
Oh well.
jtk1519
03-06-2006, 10:02 PM
I think it is rather foolish to assume that slavery would still be around in any fashion today had the South won the war. The political movement at that time was so strong that regardless of the outcome on the fields of battle, change was inevitable.
I think it is more logical to assume that had the Confederacy won the war, the South simply would have remained it's own nation. Remember, the South had already seceded from the US before the war began. Reality is that had the Confederacy won, you would probably have at least two separate nations right now in stead of the US we all know now. I think it is even further logical to assume that we could have three separate nations because I believe Texas would have seceded and gone back to being it's own Republic. Texas wasn't really in the Civil War because of slavery, but because of the issues that really drove the Civil War.
Remember, the Civil War was not so much a battle of slavery as it was a battle of state's rights. The state's that would eventually form the Confederacy were strongly opposed to the ever growing Federal government, and believed that more power should be entrusted to the states and that was the central force that led to the Civil War. All else, including slavery, was nothing more than a branch of that central battle. It was that theme that drew Texas in to the war.
The reality is that had the Confederacy won, you would probably have one nation (the North) that closely resembles what America is today in terms of it's government and ideas, and a separate nation (the South) that would have probably abandoned slavery within' the near future anyway, but the government would be vastly different. I would imagine you would have a government in which the majority of power is held at the state level. Any kind of Federal government would probably be rather weak and nothing more than unified representation of the collective of states. It is logical to assume that each state would have a powerful leader and maybe it's own court system and laws. It is hardly logical to assume that slaves would be sold on QVC had the South won.
Frankly, this sounds like a Michael Moore film. Very light on the facts and very heavy on the shock and emotion so as to appeal to and dupe the ignorant masses who choose to be spoon-fed a distorted view of reality rather than think for themselves.
BigArab
03-06-2006, 11:26 PM
Slavery would've ended eventually anyway. Technological advances provided for turning a larger profit. It was actually REALLY expensive to keep slaves. That's why only the big plantations had them.
"I have a baaaaad feeling about this."
me to im staying out of this one
mtbray
03-07-2006, 02:51 AM
jtk, you're my hero.
If the south would have won, this would have lasted a bit longer. http://www.rofl.name/owned/owned_lego_cotton.jpg
disclaimer: the picture is just a visual representation of the word, so don't be all on my *** about it....please
Slim-Rob
03-07-2006, 10:00 AM
depends, where you lived as a kid though
DO NOT fool yourself dragon. Just because the north didn't believe in slavery does not mean they liked black people. They were still racist, and there was still plenty of segregation. Yes, African Americans were allowed into the Union Army, but they were not in the same units as whites.
How far south are we talking about? LOL!
wed all be eating tacos..
ktCarl
03-07-2006, 10:51 AM
How far south are we talking about? LOL!
wed all be eating tacos..
You don't eat tacos now?!
all the time..
So all that War stuff for nothing..lol
Miss Kitty
03-07-2006, 11:24 AM
So all that War stuff for nothing..lol
ROFL...Didn't affect my house. I still cook southern style. :D
A lot of these controversial threads have been popping up lately...Some have problems with them, some don't.
What if there was a "Magic Button" and if someone pressed this "Magic Button" everyone had to "Go back where they came from". Where would YOU go, better yet would you be welcomed there?
Me for one, I can't think of ANYONE in Africa I can call:D
Miss Kitty
03-07-2006, 01:45 PM
A lot of these controversial threads have been popping up lately...Some have problems with them, some don't.
What if there was a "Magic Button" and if someone pressed this "Magic Button" everyone had to "Go back where they came from". Where would YOU go, better yet would you be welcomed there?
Me for one, I can't think of ANYONE in Africa I can call:D
That might hurt. :D Most of me would go to Ireland. But the other part of me would stay here and go to a tee-pee. That would be a heck of a weight loss plan but it just might work. ;)
That might hurt. :D Most of me would go to Ireland. But the other part of me would stay here and go to a tee-pee. That would be a heck of a weight loss plan but it just might work. ;)
Thats my point....lol a lot of us will be in that situation.
Miss Kitty
03-07-2006, 01:50 PM
Thats my point....lol a lot of us will be in that situation.
It is a good point. Plus, as much as I like my heratige, I don't think I could get used to guys running around in skirts all of the time. Shoot, I even hate the baggy B-Ball shorts.
if i were to hit the majic button i would arrive to the playoffs in a "burro"..LOL!
mtbray
03-08-2006, 12:27 AM
I for one would love to go back to England/Austria/Ireland. This thing called culture still exists over there, it sounds pretty neat from what I've heard.
(Although here in the south I think we have a culture of our own which I might say I'm decently pleased with at the moment.)
A lot of these controversial threads have been popping up lately...Some have problems with them, some don't.
What if there was a "Magic Button" and if someone pressed this "Magic Button" everyone had to "Go back where they came from". Where would YOU go, better yet would you be welcomed there?
Me for one, I can't think of ANYONE in Africa I can call:D
YOU BOYS LIKE MEXICO :D
I reccomend you guys watch "Black White" tonight on FX....I think it will be interesting.
Miss Kitty
03-08-2006, 09:31 AM
I reccomend you guys watch "Black White" tonight on FX....I think it will be interesting.
What is it?
What is it?
A new reality show where expert moive make up artists make a Black Family White and a White family Black and let them go out into the world to see how we treat one another when the other one is not around. Sort of like a spoof Eddie Murphy did back in the day, but this time it's on a serious note.
Miss Kitty
03-08-2006, 09:43 AM
A new reality show where expert moive make up artists make a Black Family White and a White family Black and let them go out into the world to see how we treat one another when the other one is not around. Sort of like a spoof Eddie Murphy did back in the day, but this time it's on a serious note.
That sounds very cool. By the way, do you ever watch Wife Swap?
yankee
03-08-2006, 09:48 AM
That sounds very cool. By the way, do you ever watch Wife Swap?
my sister was watching that. looks very stupid IMO.
That sounds very cool. By the way, do you ever watch Wife Swap?
Here's a story on it:
http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/entertainment/13890128.htm
I watched wife swap once or twice by accident.
Reaganrattler07
03-08-2006, 10:02 AM
I think it is rather foolish to assume that slavery would still be around in any fashion today had the South won the war. The political movement at that time was so strong that regardless of the outcome on the fields of battle, change was inevitable.
I think it is more logical to assume that had the Confederacy won the war, the South simply would have remained it's own nation. Remember, the South had already seceded from the US before the war began. Reality is that had the Confederacy won, you would probably have at least two separate nations right now in stead of the US we all know now. I think it is even further logical to assume that we could have three separate nations because I believe Texas would have seceded and gone back to being it's own Republic. Texas wasn't really in the Civil War because of slavery, but because of the issues that really drove the Civil War.
Remember, the Civil War was not so much a battle of slavery as it was a battle of state's rights. The state's that would eventually form the Confederacy were strongly opposed to the ever growing Federal government, and believed that more power should be entrusted to the states and that was the central force that led to the Civil War. All else, including slavery, was nothing more than a branch of that central battle. It was that theme that drew Texas in to the war.
The reality is that had the Confederacy won, you would probably have one nation (the North) that closely resembles what America is today in terms of it's government and ideas, and a separate nation (the South) that would have probably abandoned slavery within' the near future anyway, but the government would be vastly different. I would imagine you would have a government in which the majority of power is held at the state level. Any kind of Federal government would probably be rather weak and nothing more than unified representation of the collective of states. It is logical to assume that each state would have a powerful leader and maybe it's own court system and laws. It is hardly logical to assume that slaves would be sold on QVC had the South won.
Frankly, this sounds like a Michael Moore film. Very light on the facts and very heavy on the shock and emotion so as to appeal to and dupe the ignorant masses who choose to be spoon-fed a distorted view of reality rather than think for themselves.
Very good post, JTK....
Miss Kitty
03-08-2006, 10:11 AM
my sister was watching that. looks very stupid IMO.
Sometimes it is, and sometimes it is funny. But it sure makes you see how different people are and how different people live. It also makes you look at the posslbility of living in someone else's shoes and how you might react to that.
Reaganrattler07
03-08-2006, 10:15 AM
A new reality show where expert moive make up artists make a Black Family White and a White family Black and let them go out into the world to see how we treat one another when the other one is not around. Sort of like a spoof Eddie Murphy did back in the day, but this time it's on a serious note.
Has that already started? I wanted to catch that when it first started....
Miss Kitty
03-08-2006, 10:19 AM
Has that already started? I wanted to catch that when it first started....
It starts today according to the article.
Has that already started? I wanted to catch that when it first started....
It starts tonight....so does America's Next Top Model:D
Reaganrattler07
03-08-2006, 08:49 PM
But back to what this thread was about. As someone pointed out earlier. If the South won, there would be north and south. Slavery would've most likely been phased out at some point. Due to the inventions of farm machinery. And I think by this time the slave trade ended.
Slim-Rob
03-08-2006, 09:42 PM
A new reality show where expert moive make up artists make a Black Family White and a White family Black and let them go out into the world to see how we treat one another when the other one is not around. Sort of like a spoof Eddie Murphy did back in the day, but this time it's on a serious note.
I've been watching it so far. I think its kind of dumb. I don't believe you can act "black" or act "white"
Reaganrattler07
03-08-2006, 10:04 PM
I've been watching it so far. I think its kind of dumb. I don't believe you can act "black" or act "white"
I watched the first part of it and wasn't all that impressed. I started out wanting to just watch it out of curiosity cause I think i saw it on good morning america. To be honest, I think the race card is being thrown around too much.
Slim-Rob
03-08-2006, 10:08 PM
I watched the first part of it and wasn't all that impressed. I started out wanting to just watch it out of curiosity cause I think i saw it on good morning america. To be honest, I think the race card is being thrown around too much.
Yeah, it is. Bruno may have a point when he said some of the racism may just be how a person percieves it. Like how he was treated at the car lot was the same as when he was white. And how they were walking down the street, people moved out of their way. Bruno took this as them being nice, while the real black guy (can't remember his name) took it as them staying away because of their color.
Reaganrattler07
03-08-2006, 10:29 PM
Yeah, it is. Bruno may have a point when he said some of the racism may just be how a person percieves it. Like how he was treated at the car lot was the same as when he was white. And how they were walking down the street, people moved out of their way. Bruno took this as them being nice, while the real black guy (can't remember his name) took it as them staying away because of their color.
I didnt see that part but I understand it pretty well. I mean, I'm not saying were all the same cause lets face it we're all different. But we are equal. Because when I saw it on good morning america it had LL cooljay or whoever is the creater talking about how "white people should go through what a black person has to face everyday"
I agree...I tend to think the Black guy was "Looking for it" to try to prove a point to Bruno. No matter WHAT color you are...people treat you like you treat them...SOMETIMES. But also know that walking around one day as a black man is not gonna give you the whole "Black Experience" I expected more out of it...hopefully it gets better. I kinda felt bad for the white kid who was saying he was taught to wash his hands off after shaking a black guys hand....I honestly think he felt bad about it.
ANOTHER Story....did anyone watch America's Next Top Model and the girl from Spring? A classic example of "Talking too much" I dont think she was racist..but how do you go in and say "You hate gays...this that"...when 99.9% of the modeling business, designers, make up artists, etc....are openly gay?
Red Raiders
03-09-2006, 08:45 PM
I agree...I tend to think the Black guy was "Looking for it" to try to prove a point to Bruno. No matter WHAT color you are...people treat you like you treat them...SOMETIMES. But also know that walking around one day as a black man is not gonna give you the whole "Black Experience" I expected more out of it...hopefully it gets better. I kinda felt bad for the white kid who was saying he was taught to wash his hands off after shaking a black guys hand....I honestly think he felt bad about it.
ANOTHER Story....did anyone watch America's Next Top Model and the girl from Spring? A classic example of "Talking too much" I dont think she was racist..but how do you go in and say "You hate gays...this that"...when 99.9% of the modeling business, designers, make up artists, etc....are openly gay?
99.9% are actually gay or you just making up? I noticed there are many gay men in model and girls love them, it just don't make sense but 99.9%???
MaverickDefense
03-09-2006, 08:50 PM
Everyone says we use 10% of our brains, but I think we use only 10% of our hearts....
99.9% are actually gay or you just making up? I noticed there are many gay men in model and girls love them, it just don't make sense but 99.9%???
That was an exxagerration....but in the modeling industry...the guys BEHIND the scenes.....not too many of them are straight.
Miss Kitty
03-10-2006, 08:43 AM
That was an exxagerration....but in the modeling industry...the guys BEHIND the scenes.....not too many of them are straight.
Good point.
Drake
03-10-2006, 12:43 PM
I think it is rather foolish to assume that slavery would still be around in any fashion today had the South won the war. The political movement at that time was so strong that regardless of the outcome on the fields of battle, change was inevitable.
I think it is more logical to assume that had the Confederacy won the war, the South simply would have remained it's own nation. Remember, the South had already seceded from the US before the war began. Reality is that had the Confederacy won, you would probably have at least two separate nations right now in stead of the US we all know now. I think it is even further logical to assume that we could have three separate nations because I believe Texas would have seceded and gone back to being it's own Republic. Texas wasn't really in the Civil War because of slavery, but because of the issues that really drove the Civil War.
Remember, the Civil War was not so much a battle of slavery as it was a battle of state's rights. The state's that would eventually form the Confederacy were strongly opposed to the ever growing Federal government, and believed that more power should be entrusted to the states and that was the central force that led to the Civil War. All else, including slavery, was nothing more than a branch of that central battle. It was that theme that drew Texas in to the war.
The reality is that had the Confederacy won, you would probably have one nation (the North) that closely resembles what America is today in terms of it's government and ideas, and a separate nation (the South) that would have probably abandoned slavery within' the near future anyway, but the government would be vastly different. I would imagine you would have a government in which the majority of power is held at the state level. Any kind of Federal government would probably be rather weak and nothing more than unified representation of the collective of states. It is logical to assume that each state would have a powerful leader and maybe it's own court system and laws. It is hardly logical to assume that slaves would be sold on QVC had the South won.
Frankly, this sounds like a Michael Moore film. Very light on the facts and very heavy on the shock and emotion so as to appeal to and dupe the ignorant masses who choose to be spoon-fed a distorted view of reality rather than think for themselves.If the Confederacy had won and it all played out like you say, who would have been blamed for the Katrina disaster?
drgnbkr
03-10-2006, 12:47 PM
No doubt about it...George W. Bush.....:D
GoOwls
03-10-2006, 03:18 PM
No doubt about it...George W. Bush.....:D
Yeah, didn't he and the govt. secretly seed the hurricane to intensify? That was one left-wing theory I heard. Supposedly we have harnessed the ability to seed and intensify and direct hurricanes now.
What a country!!:D
Yeah, didn't he and the govt. secretly seed the hurricane to intensify? That was one left-wing theory I heard. Supposedly we have harnessed the ability to seed and intensify and direct hurricanes now.
What a country!!:D
Yep...I heard they sat out over the gulf and made Air Force One fly upside down to blow more warn air into the storm.....
Humblefied
03-12-2006, 12:12 AM
I want everyone to go to the top of this page and read the conversation down. We go from a racist talk, to a homosexual talk, back to a talk on Bush. I know you have to expect this kind of thing, but it is really interesting.
lonny23
03-12-2006, 05:00 AM
I want everyone to go to the top of this page and read the conversation down. We go from a racist talk, to a homosexual talk, back to a talk on Bush. I know you have to expect this kind of thing, but it is really interesting.
That's normal for here.
slorch
03-12-2006, 07:57 AM
If the Confederacy had won and it all played out like you say, who would have been blamed for the Katrina disaster?
it's still Bush...LOL
LoneRocket
03-12-2006, 01:49 PM
Actually there were accounts of slavery up into the 1960’s; if the south had won you probably would have slavery in the form of servitude as well as plantations. Slavery is still in the Alabama Constitution as well as the confederate constitution and I think Mississippi changed theirs in the 1990’s. You would have Jim Crow which was as equally worse, putting people in prison on trumped up charges so they could work as free labor for businesses, segregation, murder, stealing of land, willful **** of women, some inventions/innovations might not had happened. On a world view Israel might not exist, the Ottoman Empire might control Europe, the Japanese might control Asia and Prussia (modern day Iran and Iraq) might control the Middle East. I think the North and South would not even exist, what is now Mexico and/or Canada might have invaded.
LoneRocket
03-12-2006, 01:52 PM
Yeah, didn't he and the govt. secretly seed the hurricane to intensify? That was one left-wing theory I heard. Supposedly we have harnessed the ability to seed and intensify and direct hurricanes now.
What a country!!:D
I heard (I can not verify) that in 1925, someone or a group tried to blow up the levy to flood the 9 ward. If that is true that is probably why people are wary about what happened last year.
Red Raiders
03-12-2006, 04:20 PM
it's still Bush...LOL
Not really, look at Alabama? they're the ones that suffered the most and right now they're living in a trailor and they are not getting any help because of New Orleans all wanted help, "Spoil".
slorch
03-12-2006, 04:32 PM
Not really, look at Alabama? they're the ones that suffered the most and right now they're living in a trailor and they are not getting any help because of New Orleans all wanted help, "Spoil".
i wasn't trying for accuracy, any more than the others who constantly have the same response, " It's Bush's fault"
Red Raiders
03-12-2006, 10:02 PM
i wasn't trying for accuracy, any more than the others who constantly have the same response, " It's Bush's fault"
I gotcha... I don't think its really his fault in my point of view.
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