No Doubt, Best Team in Area. See DMN Stats

[Old Plano Fan]

See today's DMN, page 10C for stats for area teams. Look who is number 3 in Team Offense and number 1 in team defense! Euless Trinity! No doubt who is the best team in the area, state, nation!

I know it is only 3 games, and some of the opponents for these teams may be lacking, but a few surprises in the stats are:

Flower Mound number 1 in team offense with 636 yard average, wow!
Plano number 2 in team defense behind only Euless Trinity
Allen defense not in the top 30

Also no doubt the toughest district is 8-5A.

6 teams of the 8 in the district in the team offense listing
4 teems of the 8 in the district in the team defense listing

Going to be a heck of a district race!!!

[JagFan]

See today's DMN, page 10C for stats for area teams. Look who is number 3 in Team Offense and number 1 in team defense! Euless Trinity! No doubt who is the best team in the area, state, nation!

I know it is only 3 games, and some of the opponents for these teams may be lacking, but a few surprises in the stats are:

Flower Mound number 1 in team offense with 636 yard average, wow!
Plano number 2 in team defense behind only Euless Trinity
Allen defense not in the top 30

Also no doubt the toughest district is 8-5A.

6 teams of the 8 in the district in the team offense listing
4 teems of the 8 in the district in the team defense listing

Going to be a heck of a district race!!!

Go Big 8 TCB :heli:

[allendad]

See today's DMN, page 10C for stats for area teams. Look who is number 3 in Team Offense and number 1 in team defense! Euless Trinity! No doubt who is the best team in the area, state, nation!

I know it is only 3 games, and some of the opponents for these teams may be lacking, but a few surprises in the stats are:

Flower Mound number 1 in team offense with 636 yard average, wow!
Plano number 2 in team defense behind only Euless Trinity
Allen defense not in the top 30

Also no doubt the toughest district is 8-5A.

6 teams of the 8 in the district in the team offense listing
4 teems of the 8 in the district in the team defense listing

Going to be a heck of a district race!!!


I totally understand why this is so!


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[GoOwls]

Looks like maybe Brett Shipp was investigating the wrong schools and district....:rolleyes: ;) :D :rofl:

[nanyabus]

Is this another one of those annoying "Isn't Euless Trinity the greatest high school football team ever" threads everyone was complaining about? I can see if you continually swamp the forum with 'Pat Yourself On The Back' threads it can get a little tiresome. :rolleyes:

[da hawaiian]

Is this another one of those annoying "Isn't Euless Trinity the greatest high school football team ever" threads everyone was complaining about? I can see if you continually swamp the forum with 'Pat Yourself On The Back' threads it can get a little tiresome. :rolleyes:

Ahhh

But this thread wasn't started by a Trojan fan

[LR46]

Is this another one of those annoying "Isn't Euless Trinity the greatest high school football team ever" threads everyone was complaining about? I can see if you continually swamp the forum with 'Pat Yourself On The Back' threads it can get a little tiresome. :rolleyes:

And why do you and others let it bother you so much?:cool:

[farmerfan]

And why do you and others let it bother you so much?:cool:

I think it's funny. Gives us more threads to show the classless actions of some of the Trojan fans and the hypocrisy in their ways :cool:

[dragonpants]

Ahhh

But this thread wasn't started by a Trojan fan

This :yes:

[LR46]

I think it's funny. Gives us more threads to show the classless actions of some of the Trojan fans and the hypocrisy in their ways :cool:

Back atcha my friend. Have a ga'day!!!

[farmerfan]

Back atcha my friend. Have a ga'day!!!

Thank you.

Now lets hope those officials don't have an agenda against Trinity and call a fair game tonight We know how those damn refs are in regards to Trinity. THey are mean to those boys for their 'physical" play. Stoopid refs :cool::cool:

[LR46]

I think it's funny. Gives us more threads to show the classless actions of some of the Trojan fans and the hypocrisy in their ways :cool:

Hypocrisy - The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness. An act or instance of such falseness.

Understand the words you use before you use them. That would help give your posts much more validity and we'd all take you more serious. :)

[farmerfan]

Hypocrisy - The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness. An act or instance of such falseness.

Understand the words you use before you use them. That would help give your posts much more validity and we'd all take you more serious. :)

I understand completely. Especially in regards to those who were complaining about LD Bell and then Tyler Lee for their late hits only to find out last week against Richland, you guys might have had a late hit or two yourselfs and it remains to be a big problem if you ask some of your fans..
I don't think I need the poster who talks about his BM's to give view me as having credible posts or not.

[maxtor]

Is this another one of those annoying "Isn't Euless Trinity the greatest high school football team ever" threads everyone was complaining about? I can see if you continually swamp the forum with 'Pat Yourself On The Back' threads it can get a little tiresome. :rolleyes:

Its just payback for all those great 5A teams from Region 4 that are the greatest ever........er........maybe not.;)

[nanyabus]

Its just payback for all those great 5A teams from Region 4 that are the greatest ever........er........maybe not.;)


Please. Region 4 is the most disrespected region in the state, especially in the minds of the majority of poster's on this site. You want to compain about the constant "greatest team ever" threads, go talk to the Katy fans. :rolleyes:

[ray1301]

Please. Region 4 is the most disrespected region in the state, especially in the minds of the majority of poster's on this site. You want to compain about the constant "greatest team ever" threads, go talk to the Katy fans. :rolleyes:

Maxtor, He knows not of the sarcasm in which you speak.

[nanyabus]

And why do you and others let it bother you so much?:cool:


Doesn't bother me in the least. I actually think it's comical how the threads with all these great stats, polls, and 'expert opinions' about Trinity continually pop up on this forum. You can brag and post all the stats and accolades you want. But bottom line, those mean nothing unless you can prove them on the field. If Euless is able to follow though on the football field, then you have every right to brag about it. However, until that happens, it's only on paper and in some person's fantasy fooltball league.

[- sTp -]

Doesn't bother me in the least. I actually think it's comical how the threads with all these great stats, polls, and 'expert opinions' about Trinity continually pop up on this forum. You can brag and post all the stats and accolades you want. But bottom line, those mean nothing unless you can prove them on the field. If Euless is able to follow though on the football field, then you have every right to brag about it. However, until that happens, it's only on paper and in some person's fantasy fooltball league.

In Trinity's defense, they do have three titles in the last five years.

And a purely honest question. Have you ever seen them play?

[nanyabus]

Maxtor, He knows not of the sarcasm in which you speak.


I didn't think he was being sarcastic. Look at the number of Region 4 threads that are generated here, as opposed to the one's from Region 1, 2, 3. Do you give Region 4 any credance when it comes to football? It's well known the majority of posters on this thread think the San Antonio and Valley teams are a joke, and rarely have the capability of matching up with the stacked power teams of Houston and Dallas. Sorry, but we don't grow em' like you do, and don't have the vast pool of 'feeder kids' you obviously have to keep your teams dominate year after year. :D

[nanyabus]

In Trinity's defense, they do have three titles in the last five years.

And a purely honest question. Have you ever seen them play?


Honestly, no. Why would I? I like watching high school football, but driving 5 hours one way to see a 'powerhouse' team play? No thank you.

I guess the question is, how is Trinty able to maintain that dominance year after year? The water and food have some powerful growing/speed enhancements in Euless? They 'recruit' blue-chipper families to move into their boundaries? How does any team maintain that dominance? I've never been given a logical answer to how teams like Trinity and Katy are capable of wining year after year.

[baylordad]

Honestly, no. Why would I? I like watching high school football, but driving 5 hours one way to see a 'powerhouse' team play? No thank you.

I guess the question is, how is Trinty able to maintain that dominance year after year? The water and food have some powerful growing/speed enhancements in Euless? They 'recruit' blue-chipper families to move into their boundaries? How does any team maintain that dominance? I've never been given a logical answer to how teams like Trinity and Katy are capable of wining year after year.

I assure you it is not the water!

[farmerfan]

I assure you it is not the water!

I like the water though.

[nanyabus]

I assure you it is not the water!


You sure? You do have that nuclear power plant just right up the road a ways. :yes:

[THS PRINZ]

Have never said we're the best
Have never said we're the best in the nation
When SLC beat us I said there was no excuses
We have always had late hits (bothers me alot)
When I talked to Lineweaver in the spring and we looked down to the 7th and 8th grade we always discussed being competitve not if we could win district
I try to put only facts on this forum
We are in a weaker district (but that is why they have the word upset)
Having coached for many yrs...it is amazing that the talent has not cycled
as in most programs
You have to take what come with the territory and I like this territory better!!!!!!

[Trinity Trojan Fan For Li]

Honestly, no. Why would I? I like watching high school football, but driving 5 hours one way to see a 'powerhouse' team play? No thank you.
You could have watched Trinity on TV twice this year and in the championship game last year.

I guess the question is, how is Trinity able to maintain that dominance year after year?
Coaching!!!

The water and food have some powerful growing/speed enhancements in Euless? They 'recruit' blue-chipper families to move into their boundaries? How does any team maintain that dominance? I've never been given a logical answer to how teams like Trinity and Katy are capable of wining year after year.
Coaching!!!

^^^^
This

[Austin109]

Honestly, no. Why would I? I like watching high school football, but driving 5 hours one way to see a 'powerhouse' team play? No thank you.

I guess the question is, how is Trinty able to maintain that dominance year after year? The water and food have some powerful growing/speed enhancements in Euless? They 'recruit' blue-chipper families to move into their boundaries? How does any team maintain that dominance? I've never been given a logical answer to how teams like Trinity and Katy are capable of wining year after year.

Coaching. That's it. Lineweaver and Joseph are brilliant and methodical. Corrections are made constantly in the games and 2nd half is when both of these teams decimate. Katy has done pretty well for themselves without a constant supply of talent.

[THS PRINZ]

Coaching! coaching! It's much more than coaching.......more than x's & 0's.........;)

[slcdragonfan]

Nope. Not coaching.

For Trinity, it is the Haka.

For Katy, it is the band playing the K-train.

D'oh!:rolleyes:

[ray1301]

Nope. Not coaching.

For Trinity, it is the Haka.

For Katy, it is the band playing the K-train.

D'oh!:rolleyes:

and for SLC it's...it's... well, I got nothing

[THS PRINZ]

For SLC ....It's great program....great talent.....great coaches....great facilities......great equipment....great student support....great community support...great tradition......need I say more???????

[ray1301]

For SLC ....It's great program....great talent.....great coaches....great facilities......great equipment....great student support....great community support...great tradition......need I say more???????

Yes, Please sir may I have some more?

[THS PRINZ]

Every school in the district mascot is a dragon....every kid runs the same off and def ......they have very smart kids so they can run multible off and def.......a lot of them have personal trainers.....ours eat alot of pork......need more?

[farmerfan]

Every school in the district mascot is a dragon....every kid runs the same off and def ......they have very smart kids so they can run multible off and def.......a lot of them have personal trainers.....ours eat alot of pork......need more?

Yes

Let's move ot bands. Why is Bell's band the best in Tarrant Co? :D

[beauxman]

For SLC ....It's great program....great talent.....great coaches....great facilities......great equipment....great student support....great community support...great tradition......need I say more???????

For SLC, it's the great recruiting!!! :rofl:

[TigerHat]

Honestly, no. Why would I? I like watching high school football, but driving 5 hours one way to see a 'powerhouse' team play? No thank you.

I guess the question is, how is Trinty able to maintain that dominance year after year? The water and food have some powerful growing/speed enhancements in Euless? They 'recruit' blue-chipper families to move into their boundaries? How does any team maintain that dominance? I've never been given a logical answer to how teams like Trinity and Katy are capable of wining year after year.

Knowing a number of the Katy players all I can do is laugh at everyone who thinks Katy does it by having bigger, faster, stronger players. Last week I was at the Cinco Ranch game. Because it was Katy's bye week a number of the Katy players were at the game watching. I recognized them, but no one else did. I was sitting behind one of Katy's best players - nobody noticed him because he looks like a normal athletic teenager - not some NFL superstar to be. If I put Katy's whole team in a crowd of average teenagers people wouldn't guess who they were - they don't stand out enough physically to be noticed. Some of them might cause people to go - "oh he plays football" - but that would be true of any average high school football team.

And no, you can rule out pacts with the devil also.

As to why Katy is continually successful... when you can explain to me why Raphael Nadal is the best tennis player in the world I will explain to you why Katy is so successful - because at that point you will have learned enough in one field of athletics to understand what Katy is doing in football. Until then my words would be meaningless to you; you would read what I was saying, but you wouldn't understand what I meant.

[THS PRINZ]

Dear Farmer: Don't get me started on the Bell Band....I still live in the area .......but I don't like the parents leaving after half.....kinda classless!!!!!!!!!

[beauxman]

Many of the programs are able to have talent every year due to their success and stability in having great coaches and keeping them there. SLC's success came from Todd Dodge and his predecessor. Trinity, has their coach. Highland Park, Katy, and many others are successful year after year because of stability in coaching. Talent comes and goes. Developing that talent is the coaches. Once a program is successful, then talent will move into that district. What Daxx Garmin did at SLC would never have been an issue had he done it as a Freshman or younger. Both of my sons were 6'3"+ 275+ offensive linemen. I even considered buying a house in Southlake when my oldest was in 8th grade so he could play for Dodge.

Coppell is growing to successful program. 7 playoff appearances in last 10 years. Last two years going 2+ rounds deep. This is new for the Cowboys. Especially after having "One and done Fuller" as coach. (Sorry you got stuck with him CHHS) Our boys last year had 3 head coaches during their 4 years. Linebackers had 4 different position coaches in 4 years. Assuming McBride stays in Coppell (as we really hope he does), you can be assured that Coppell will be a team to be reckoned with. Flower Mound, Marcus, Hebron, PESH, Allen, Trinity have all faced them. Some with McBride as head coach. They can attest that this is an up and coming program. I used to get mad because it didn't seem like Coppell got a lot of respect, but they really have yet to earn it with tradition and championships. Katy, SLC, Trinity, and a few others have already established themselves and are good year after year. Trinity is fortunate to have the community of Tongans to pool from for their massive offensive line. My nephew moved to the Trinity district so that his young son can someday be a Trojan. I'm thinking that due to the massive size of the team, maybe Trinity should change their mascot to the Titans!

Dear Farmer: Don't get me started on the Bell Band....I still live in the area .......but I don't like the parents leaving after half.....kinda classless!!!!!!!!!

As a band student said to me, "Our parents leave at half-time because they are here to watch the band perfomance. If football parents want band parents to stay and watch their kids play, why don't football parents attend band concerts?" I replied, "If there was a football game at intermission, I would go!" :-­P

[farmerfan]

Dear Farmer: Don't get me started on the Bell Band....I still live in the area .......but I don't like the parents leaving after half.....kinda classless!!!!!!!!!

At least they are there giving half support to the football team. I bet that's more than most football parents can say they give to the band when they go out to competition ;)

[Old Plano Fan]

Post started by a Plano (sucks) fan first, district 8-5A fan second. Was more surprised by the 8-5A teams than Trinity. Who from region 4 has won a state title recently, and does anyone think a region 4 team could compete with Trinity, or for that matter compete in district 8-5A?

Stats can be deceiving, but for show it on the field, playoff wins, and state titles baby, that's showing it on the field.

[THS PRINZ]

I have been to many competitions...also band and choir trips.......went to the "Great" BOA (Bands of America) competition my ticket $18 my wife's ticket $18...for a 10 min routine.....see anything wrong with this picture...
P.S. could not afford the $20 t-shirt or the $25 video
(you may have got me started)

[farmerfan]

I have been to many competitions...also band and choir trips.......went to the "Great" BOA (Bands of America) competition my ticket $18 my wife's ticket $18...for a 10 min routine.....see anything wrong with this picture...
P.S. could not afford the $20 t-shirt or the $25 video
(you may have got me started)

But think about how long you could have stayed to watch all the other bands? I bet when you put that together it comes out to an all day event for just $18 :)
I could barely afford our $18 dinner after the state game last year and there is no way in heck I could have afforded the price for the t-shirts and everything else the ywere selling at the Alamodome.
Bands are awesome. Probably the hardest working kids in most schools :notworthy

[THS PRINZ]

A lot of programs work hard...but I agree with you FF the band works long and hard ...even before school starts!!!!!! (and many bands don't get the credit....hint hint to all FB coaches)

[chhspantherfan]

A lot of programs work hard...but I agree with you FF the band works long and hard ...even before school starts!!!!!! (and many bands don't get the credit....hint hint to all FB coaches)

i thought this thread would get legs way back when and i found it today looking for something else. greatness.


http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showpost.php?p=1391913&postcount=14

[nanyabus]

Coaching. That's it. Lineweaver and Joseph are brilliant and methodical. Corrections are made constantly in the games and 2nd half is when both of these teams decimate. Katy has done pretty well for themselves without a constant supply of talent.


I don't buy the coaching mantra. You could have Vince Lombardi standing on the sideline, and if your players aren't the biggest, fastest, and the most talented, you have just the same chance of winning as the next team. When it comes to high school football, there's just so many plays in the playbook these coaches run.

[ray1301]

I don't buy the coaching mantra. You could have Vince Lombardi standing on the sideline, and if your players aren't the biggest, fastest, and the most talented, you have just the same chance of winning as the next team. When it comes to high school football, there's just so many plays in the playbook these coaches run.

Ok. Take the Trinity/Katy Varsity Football team. Strip away all the coaching from these young men and see how many Championships they will win

[powerofthehaka]

Many of the programs are able to have talent every year due to their success and stability in having great coaches and keeping them there. SLC's success came from Todd Dodge and his predecessor. Trinity, has their coach. Highland Park, Katy, and many others are successful year after year because of stability in coaching. Talent comes and goes. Developing that talent is the coaches. Once a program is successful, then talent will move into that district. What Daxx Garmin did at SLC would never have been an issue had he done it as a Freshman or younger. Both of my sons were 6'3"+ 275+ offensive linemen. I even considered buying a house in Southlake when my oldest was in 8th grade so he could play for Dodge.

Coppell is growing to successful program. 7 playoff appearances in last 10 years. Last two years going 2+ rounds deep. This is new for the Cowboys. Especially after having "One and done Fuller" as coach. (Sorry you got stuck with him CHHS) Our boys last year had 3 head coaches during their 4 years. Linebackers had 4 different position coaches in 4 years. Assuming McBride stays in Coppell (as we really hope he does), you can be assured that Coppell will be a team to be reckoned with. Flower Mound, Marcus, Hebron, PESH, Allen, Trinity have all faced them. Some with McBride as head coach. They can attest that this is an up and coming program. I used to get mad because it didn't seem like Coppell got a lot of respect, but they really have yet to earn it with tradition and championships. Katy, SLC, Trinity, and a few others have already established themselves and are good year after year. Trinity is fortunate to have the community of Tongans to pool from for their massive offensive line. My nephew moved to the Trinity district so that his young son can someday be a Trojan. I'm thinking that due to the massive size of the team, maybe Trinity should change their mascot to the Titans!


As a band student said to me, "Our parents leave at half-time because they are here to watch the band perfomance. If football parents want band parents to stay and watch their kids play, why don't football parents attend band concerts?" I replied, "If there was a football game at intermission, I would go!" :-*P

Please do not alert Brett Shipp.:eek:

[THS PRINZ]

I had a formula.....that is long and detailed....three state titles...must have worked......head coach is a small but very important part.......

[ray1301]

I had a formula.....that is long and detailed....three state titles...must have worked......head coach is a small but very important part.......

Very true. When I say "Coaching" It goes to the whole coaching staff and program from the Jr. High's on up. I have been part of the "Zero Club" before ...lol

[chhspantherfan]

I had a formula.....that is long and detailed....three state titles...must have worked......head coach is a small but very important part.......

would love to hear the story sometime. :)

[nanyabus]

Knowing a number of the Katy players all I can do is laugh at everyone who thinks Katy does it by having bigger, faster, stronger players. Last week I was at the Cinco Ranch game. Because it was Katy's bye week a number of the Katy players were at the game watching. I recognized them, but no one else did. I was sitting behind one of Katy's best players - nobody noticed him because he looks like a normal athletic teenager - not some NFL superstar to be. If I put Katy's whole team in a crowd of average teenagers people wouldn't guess who they were - they don't stand out enough physically to be noticed. Some of them might cause people to go - "oh he plays football" - but that would be true of any average high school football team.

And no, you can rule out pacts with the devil also.

As to why Katy is continually successful... when you can explain to me why Raphael Nadal is the best tennis player in the world I will explain to you why Katy is so successful - because at that point you will have learned enough in one field of athletics to understand what Katy is doing in football. Until then my words would be meaningless to you; you would read what I was saying, but you wouldn't understand what I meant.


What are you, some sort of Zen Football Master? :rofl:

It takes more than coaching to win football games. So you're telling me that the coach at Katy could take the smallest, weakest, least athletic football team in Houston, and have it winning a State tiltle in a couple of years? Why isn't Cinco Ranch and the other Katy schools as successful as Katy? Maybe because Katy 'recruits' better?

There's no 'magic' in coaching football. Yes, there is the motivation factor a coach brings. But as I stated earlier, there's only so many variations of the same play you can cook up on a football field. To get the pigskin down the field, you need a massive O-Line that can open the holes, hugh and quick backs that can run through those holes, lightning fast receivers that can run and juke past the defender to get open, and an agile QB that can toss a ball 50-yards with little or no effort. Then on defense, a massive line that can break through any O-line they face, safety's and defensive ends that can cover even the quickest offensive receiver. That's what makes a successful football team. So the big question is, how does Katy and Trinity continue to get these type of players? In today's economy and job market, I find it very hard to believe a family would pack up and move into one of these subdivisions just so their kid can play for a specific coach. Not unless there were 'incentives' that went with it.:cool:

[ray1301]

What are you, some sort of Zen Football Master? :rofl:

It takes more than coaching to win football games. So you're telling me that the coach at Katy could take the smallest, weakest, least athletic football team in Houston, and have it winning a State tiltle in a couple of years? Why isn't Cinco Ranch and the other Katy schools as successful as Katy? Maybe because Katy 'recruits' better?

There's no 'magic' in coaching football. Yes, there is the motivation factor a coach brings. But as I stated earlier, there's only so many variations of the same play you can cook up on a football field. To get the pigskin down the field, you need a massive O-Line that can open the holes, hugh and quick backs that can run through those holes, lightning fast receivers that can run and juke past the defender to get open, and an agile QB that can toss a ball 50-yards with little or no effort. Then on defense, a massive line that can break through any O-line they face, safety's and defensive ends that can cover even the quickest offensive receiver. That's what makes a successful football team. So the big question is, how does Katy and Trinity continue to get these type of players? In today's economy and job market, I find it very hard to believe a family would pack up and move into one of these subdivisions just so their kid can play for a specific coach. Not unless there were 'incentives' that went with it.:cool:

Yep. Hit the nail on the head. You are 100% correct. The ONLY way Trinity and Katy have been successful for so long is the blatant recruiting. That is why Katy and Trinity has this HUGE number of D1 athletes every year that go on to big name D1 schools.

[Trinity Trojan Fan For Li]

Dear Farmer: Don't get me started on the Bell Band....I still live in the area .......but I don't like the parents leaving after half.....kinda classless!!!!!!!!!
Hey, don't call my niece classless when she starts leaving the Bell game after halftime to come to the Trinity game.

[trojanbacker]

What are you, some sort of Zen Football Master? :rofl:

It takes more than coaching to win football games. So you're telling me that the coach at Katy could take the smallest, weakest, least athletic football team in Houston, and have it winning a State tiltle in a couple of years? Why isn't Cinco Ranch and the other Katy schools as successful as Katy? Maybe because Katy 'recruits' better?

There's no 'magic' in coaching football. Yes, there is the motivation factor a coach brings. But as I stated earlier, there's only so many variations of the same play you can cook up on a football field. To get the pigskin down the field, you need a massive O-Line that can open the holes, hugh and quick backs that can run through those holes, lightning fast receivers that can run and juke past the defender to get open, and an agile QB that can toss a ball 50-yards with little or no effort. Then on defense, a massive line that can break through any O-line they face, safety's and defensive ends that can cover even the quickest offensive receiver. That's what makes a successful football team. So the big question is, how does Katy and Trinity continue to get these type of players? In today's economy and job market, I find it very hard to believe a family would pack up and move into one of these subdivisions just so their kid can play for a specific coach. Not unless there were 'incentives' that went with it.:cool:


I think you miss a major point when it comes to coaching. One of the primary reason, in my opinion, that Lineweaver and his staff have been so successful over the years is their ability to recognize talent and then placing the players in the roles that best fit them. I think Lineweaver, Cansler and Tryon have an amazing ability to see where a player is best suited, and then giving them the skills to be successful. It's not the play calling (although they're good at that, too) or the drills. It's getting everyone on the bus, and then in the right seats on the bus. The real work of a successful coach is done years before they play on Friday night.

My opinion.

[powerofthehaka]

I think you miss a major point when it comes to coaching. One of the primary reason, in my opinion, that Lineweaver and his staff have been so successful over the years is their ability to recognize talent and then placing the players in the roles that best fit them. I think Lineweaver, Cansler and Tryon have an amazing ability to see where a player is best suited, and then giving them the skills to be successful. It's not the play calling (although they're good at that, too) or the drills. It's getting everyone on the bus, and then in the right seats on the bus. The real work of a successful coach is done years before they play on Friday night.

My opinion.

"He can take his'n and beat your'n, and then he can turn around and take your'n and beat his'n." -Bum Phillips

[THS PRINZ]

Trojanbacker has it right ...the first thing you do is get everybody on the bus......many people don't understand is that the FB team is on the bus....it's all those others that need to be on the bus also......

[ftballin11]

What are you, some sort of Zen Football Master? :rofl:

It takes more than coaching to win football games. So you're telling me that the coach at Katy could take the smallest, weakest, least athletic football team in Houston, and have it winning a State tiltle in a couple of years? Why isn't Cinco Ranch and the other Katy schools as successful as Katy? Maybe because Katy 'recruits' better?

There's no 'magic' in coaching football. Yes, there is the motivation factor a coach brings. But as I stated earlier, there's only so many variations of the same play you can cook up on a football field. To get the pigskin down the field, you need a massive O-Line that can open the holes, hugh and quick backs that can run through those holes, lightning fast receivers that can run and juke past the defender to get open, and an agile QB that can toss a ball 50-yards with little or no effort. Then on defense, a massive line that can break through any O-line they face, safety's and defensive ends that can cover even the quickest offensive receiver. That's what makes a successful football team. So the big question is, how does Katy and Trinity continue to get these type of players? In today's economy and job market, I find it very hard to believe a family would pack up and move into one of these subdivisions just so their kid can play for a specific coach. Not unless there were 'incentives' that went with it.:cool:

In 08' Katy had exactly 0 D1 signees. If was all about talent teams like desoto would win every year. Katy is middle of the road talent wise.

look at SV. You really telling me they arent below avg. talent wise?

If mike Johnston and Gary Joseph never Came to Katy. It is very possible that Katy doesnt win a single state title.

[chhspantherfan]

Nannybus probably thinks "anybody" can run the USA also:cool:
My hope is that he is exposed to great coaching at some point

[THS PRINZ]

Hey TT for L.......If she has to be at the Bell game and leaves I admire her.....why isn't she loyal to THS and see the entire game and halftime???????? I'm sounding like Mike Ditka..........

[beauxman]

What are you, some sort of Zen Football Master? :rofl:

It takes more than coaching to win football games. So you're telling me that the coach at Katy could take the smallest, weakest, least athletic football team in Houston, and have it winning a State tiltle in a couple of years? Why isn't Cinco Ranch and the other Katy schools as successful as Katy? Maybe because Katy 'recruits' better?

There's no 'magic' in coaching football. Yes, there is the motivation factor a coach brings. But as I stated earlier, there's only so many variations of the same play you can cook up on a football field. To get the pigskin down the field, you need a massive O-Line that can open the holes, hugh and quick backs that can run through those holes, lightning fast receivers that can run and juke past the defender to get open, and an agile QB that can toss a ball 50-yards with little or no effort. Then on defense, a massive line that can break through any O-line they face, safety's and defensive ends that can cover even the quickest offensive receiver. That's what makes a successful football team. So the big question is, how does Katy and Trinity continue to get these type of players? In today's economy and job market, I find it very hard to believe a family would pack up and move into one of these subdivisions just so their kid can play for a specific coach. Not unless there were 'incentives' that went with it.:cool:

Did this idiot really say this??? You have obviously never coached before. Like stated above, coaching is more than just sending players out on the field and calling plays. It's all about the off-season, films, preparation, practice, scouting the other team, and developing players. Hard work will beat talent EVERY TIME when talent does not work hard. Yes, talent and size has the advantage, but without a good coach, they are nothing.

[TigerHat]

I don't buy the coaching mantra. You could have Vince Lombardi standing on the sideline, and if your players aren't the biggest, fastest, and the most talented, you have just the same chance of winning as the next team. When it comes to high school football, there's just so many plays in the playbook these coaches run.

Congratulations, you have done a great job of expressing the average person's view of football. You will be happy to learn that the vast majority of people in the world agree with you.

There are many posters on this board who will also completely agree with you.

Others will not.

[TigerHat]

What are you, some sort of Zen Football Master? :rofl:

It takes more than coaching to win football games. So you're telling me that the coach at Katy could take the smallest, weakest, least athletic football team in Houston, and have it winning a State tiltle in a couple of years? Why isn't Cinco Ranch and the other Katy schools as successful as Katy? Maybe because Katy 'recruits' better?

There's no 'magic' in coaching football. Yes, there is the motivation factor a coach brings. But as I stated earlier, there's only so many variations of the same play you can cook up on a football field. To get the pigskin down the field, you need a massive O-Line that can open the holes, hugh and quick backs that can run through those holes, lightning fast receivers that can run and juke past the defender to get open, and an agile QB that can toss a ball 50-yards with little or no effort. Then on defense, a massive line that can break through any O-line they face, safety's and defensive ends that can cover even the quickest offensive receiver. That's what makes a successful football team. So the big question is, how does Katy and Trinity continue to get these type of players? In today's economy and job market, I find it very hard to believe a family would pack up and move into one of these subdivisions just so their kid can play for a specific coach. Not unless there were 'incentives' that went with it.:cool:

As to your question about Zen Master; good call, I have 6th degree Black Belts in Judo and Aikido - which I have studied for about 24 years.

When Katy had one of the smallest, slowest, weakest, least talented teams in the state in 2001 it took Vince Young along with a very talented Houston Madison team's best effort to knock them out of the playoffs it was a great game. Katy went 8-4 that year. At most schools they would have been 0-10.

Here is a question for you, when the psalm says "The race is not always to the swift, nor the fight always to the strong" what do you think that means?

[Trinity Trojan Fan For Li]

Hey TT for L.......If she has to be at the Bell game and leaves I admire her.....why isn't she loyal to THS and see the entire game and halftime???????? I'm sounding like Mike Ditka..........

Her daughter is is in the Bell band so she feels obligated to watch the halftime show - then - she'll leave the Bell game and come to Trinity's. Her heart and loyalty is with Trinity. During the Trinity-Bell game, she'll be sitting on Trinity's side but probably her husband and other daughter will be on Bell's side.

[THS PRINZ]

TT 4 L My apologies.......I did say I admired her already......went to Bells halftime when I had raiderettes..........:notworthy

[nanyabus]

As to your question about Zen Master; good call, I have 6th degree Black Belts in Judo and Aikido - which I have studied for about 24 years.

When Katy had one of the smallest, slowest, weakest, least talented teams in the state in 2001 it took Vince Young along with a very talented Houston Madison team's best effort to knock them out of the playoffs it was a great game. Katy went 8-4 that year. At most schools they would have been 0-10.

Here is a question for you, when the psalm says "The race is not always to the swift, nor the fight always to the strong" what do you think that means?


It means your opponent is slower and weaker than you. :rofl:

[TrinityTrojan80]

What are you, some sort of Zen Football Master? :rofl:

It takes more than coaching to win football games. So you're telling me that the coach at Katy could take the smallest, weakest, least athletic football team in Houston, and have it winning a State tiltle in a couple of years? Why isn't Cinco Ranch and the other Katy schools as successful as Katy? Maybe because Katy 'recruits' better?

There's no 'magic' in coaching football. Yes, there is the motivation factor a coach brings. But as I stated earlier, there's only so many variations of the same play you can cook up on a football field. To get the pigskin down the field, you need a massive O-Line that can open the holes, hugh and quick backs that can run through those holes, lightning fast receivers that can run and juke past the defender to get open, and an agile QB that can toss a ball 50-yards with little or no effort. Then on defense, a massive line that can break through any O-line they face, safety's and defensive ends that can cover even the quickest offensive receiver. That's what makes a successful football team. So the big question is, how does Katy and Trinity continue to get these type of players? In today's economy and job market, I find it very hard to believe a family would pack up and move into one of these subdivisions just so their kid can play for a specific coach. Not unless there were 'incentives' that went with it.:cool:

There are several factors that go into a team having winning ways.

IMO


Coaching
Talent
Injuries/Luck
Weather
Fan/Parent Support
Winning Tradition


Each one plays a part in the sucess of a team.

I threw weather in but it can be luck or unlucky.. a passing team has to play when the wind is blowing strong, the other team relys on a running game.

You can have great talent and bad coaching and you may win some games but..Name an inner city school

You can have a great coach but with no talent, they loose!

When it all comes together, people know it and parents tend to want to have their child play for a winning program. NOT recruiting, but move-in's..

If people move to Katy or Euless when their child is Jr High or younger they are ok to move for whatever reason they want. It's just sad that sometimes they wait until their child is older (high school aged) and it's against UIL rules and should be allowed.

We are luck to have so much talent to go with our great coaching. :yes:

[LR46]

I think you miss a major point when it comes to coaching. One of the primary reason, in my opinion, that Lineweaver and his staff have been so successful over the years is their ability to recognize talent and then placing the players in the roles that best fit them. I think Lineweaver, Cansler and Tryon have an amazing ability to see where a player is best suited, and then giving them the skills to be successful. It's not the play calling (although they're good at that, too) or the drills. It's getting everyone on the bus, and then in the right seats on the bus. The real work of a successful coach is done years before they play on Friday night.

My opinion.
Agree 150%. To answer the question of how does Trinity continue to get these players year after year . . .? They don't move here to play football. The move here to work at DFW airport. So happens that the majority of this talent is Tongan but not all. Euless is a very diverse, ethinic mix and has benefited in the football realm year after year because of that. Thank you DFW Airport and Coach Lineweaver and his system.

And then again what "Trojanbacker" said . . . Lineweaver and his staff's ability to put the right young "recognized talent" in the right spot. Not many can do it as good as Coach L can and the operative word is "recognized".

[TigerHat]

It means your opponent is slower and weaker than you. :rofl:

Lets not feed the troll.

[LR46]

I understand completely. Especially in regards to those who were complaining about LD Bell and then Tyler Lee for their late hits only to find out last week against Richland, you guys might have had a late hit or two yourselfs and it remains to be a big problem if you ask some of your fans..
I don't think I need the poster who talks about his BM's to give view me as having credible posts or not.

So you bought the BM bit hook line and sinker . . . ohh simple minds. I give it away for those who didn't or can't get it. If you go back and read the post, PLEASE DO, the BM I', referring to is a . . . . .
BLUEBERRY MUFFIN folks and freaking blueberry muffin. I guess you do need to have the guy who fooled you give his view about credibility and much more . . . but this is getting very boring . . . enjoy your weekend and I'm sure I will enjoy my BM with my dog tomorrow morning. :D:D Your post did make my day though. :rofl::rofl:

[nanyabus]

Lets not feed the troll.


Now, now, grasshopper. You have much to learn...

[nanyabus]

Agree 150%. To answer the question of how does Trinity continue to get these players year after year . . .? They don't move here to play football. The move here to work at DFW airport. So happens that the majority of this talent is Tongan but not all. Euless is a very diverse, ethinic mix and has benefited in the football realm year after year because of that. Thank you DFW Airport and Coach Lineweaver and his system.

And then again what "Trojanbacker" said . . . Lineweaver and his staff's ability to put the right young "recognized talent" in the right spot. Not many can do it as good as Coach L can and the operative word is "recognized".


Now that makes sense. I imagine if I had an up and coming football prodigy, and I was looking to move to the DFW for job opportunities at the airport, I'd see why I'd select the Euless area, and Trinty in particular.

That explains Trinity's success, can't buy that for Katy. I haven't been home for quite some time, but I don't know of many major businesses or industries in the Katy area. I guess the reason they have so many transplants is because that side of Houston is Commuter's Paradise. People don't live 'in' Houston. They live in their own little "community world's" like Katy.

[Pinion]

I think it's funny. Gives us more threads to show the classless actions of some of the Trojan fans and the hypocrisy in their ways :cool:

+1
:yes::notworthy:rofl:

[E-Vol-ution]

Agree 150%. To answer the question of how does Trinity continue to get these players year after year . . .? They don't move here to play football. The move here to work at DFW airport. So happens that the majority of this talent is Tongan but not all. Euless is a very diverse, ethinic mix and has benefited in the football realm year after year because of that. Thank you DFW Airport and Coach Lineweaver and his system.

And then again what "Trojanbacker" said . . . Lineweaver and his staff's ability to put the right young "recognized talent" in the right spot. Not many can do it as good as Coach L can and the operative word is "recognized".

I agree to the above post......with an asterisk for Bowie's notable contributions to the current Trojan backfield and secondary.:D

[GoldenBones]

Thank you.

Now lets hope those officials don't have an agenda against Trinity and call a fair game tonight We know how those damn refs are in regards to Trinity. THey are mean to those boys for their 'physical" play. Stoopid refs :cool::cool:

Wow farmer you were right on. I know you were being sarcastic but the refs ARE watching trinity like a hawk. Trinity has two personal fouls in the first 13 minutes. Trinity has two hits: 1 on the receiver as he missed the reception, not a foul, and 2: a defender lit up the irving qb AS he released the ball. They only threw a flag because he was hit so hard that he landed on his helmet before his feet. Nothing illeagal about it.

Now irving is piling on trinity players WAY out of bounds and comitting their own late hits and thyre not being called.

So quit trying to act like it's not going on. You obviously aren't watching thessr games. Maybe trinity deserves this treatment... But it is still happening.

[TheScout]

Wow farmer you were right on. I know you were being sarcastic but the refs ARE watching trinity like a hawk. Trinity has two personal fouls in the first 13 minutes. Trinity has two hits: 1 on the receiver as he missed the reception, not a foul, and 2: a defender lit up the irving qb AS he released the ball. They only threw a flag because he was hit so hard that he landed on his helmet before his feet. Nothing illeagal about it.

Now irving is piling on trinity players WAY out of bounds and comitting their own late hits and thyre not being called.

So quit trying to act like it's not going on. You obviously aren't watching thessr games. Maybe trinity deserves this treatment... But it is still happening.

At least all of that quit half way through the 2nd. Let's not beat a dead horse.

[beauxman]

OK, got to eat my crow and give Guyer props for a nice win over Horn tonight. Walsh showed why he is so highly rated. 0:57 on the clock and they went 65 yards in 0:54 for a come from behind win. Great job to both teams in a well fought game.

[farmerfan]

So you bought the BM bit hook line and sinker . . . ohh simple minds. I give it away for those who didn't or can't get it. If you go back and read the post, PLEASE DO, the BM I', referring to is a . . . . .
BLUEBERRY MUFFIN folks and freaking blueberry muffin. I guess you do need to have the guy who fooled you give his view about credibility and much more . . . but this is getting very boring . . . enjoy your weekend and I'm sure I will enjoy my BM with my dog tomorrow morning. :D:D Your post did make my day though. :rofl::rofl:

You have a very weird and twisted mind. BM's for Blueberry Muffins? WOW.

[farmerfan]

Wow farmer you were right on. I know you were being sarcastic but the refs ARE watching trinity like a hawk. Trinity has two personal fouls in the first 13 minutes. Trinity has two hits: 1 on the receiver as he missed the reception, not a foul, and 2: a defender lit up the irving qb AS he released the ball. They only threw a flag because he was hit so hard that he landed on his helmet before his feet. Nothing illeagal about it.

Now irving is piling on trinity players WAY out of bounds and comitting their own late hits and thyre not being called.

So quit trying to act like it's not going on. You obviously aren't watching thessr games. Maybe trinity deserves this treatment... But it is still happening.

Trinity has never deserved it, at all. Those damn refs have an agenda out to get Trinity, always have and it's worse this year. Trinity is not going to win a state title because they are going to be robbed by an official. I can see it now.
Trinity's players are always being cheap shotted and nothing at all happens about it and it is sick. THose poor Trinity kids. I don't blame them one bit for coming out and getting revenge

[THS PRINZ]

Farmer ...just heard from the UIL and now when Trinity plays ...each official will have two yellow flags to carry during the game......that should slow us down and make the game longer!!!!!!!!! Will probably look like fireworks going off........Was in the lockerroom before the game......as a former coach really interesting what LW says as Phil Collins sings in the background!!!!!!!!!!

[LR46]

Trinity has never deserved it, at all. Those damn refs have an agenda out to get Trinity, always have and it's worse this year. Trinity is not going to win a state title because they are going to be robbed by an official. I can see it now.
Trinity's players are always being cheap shotted and nothing at all happens about it and it is sick. THose poor Trinity kids. I don't blame them one bit for coming out and getting revenge

"Not ready!"

Do I have to explain this one to you also?

[farmerfan]

Farmer ...just heard from the UIL and now when Trinity plays ...each official will have two yellow flags to carry during the game......that should slow us down and make the game longer!!!!!!!!! Will probably look like fireworks going off........Was in the lockerroom before the game......as a former coach really interesting what LW says as Phil Collins sings in the background!!!!!!!!!!

I can picture it now. Probably something like this:.....'Men., those refs are out to get you, I know it, you know and some of our fans know it too. But by golly that's ok, I love you and Phil Collins loves you and that's all that one needs to make it through the day. So when those penalties are called on you, know that you are doing nothing wrong, never have and never will because you're Trinity Trojans gosh dangit and you dance :D;)

I am sure I am not even close to getting it right what he says but in light of what we hear from some of the Trinity fans I thought I would give it a stab

[farmerfan]

"Not ready!"

Do I have to explain this one to you also?

No. I have watched a lot of Trinity football in my lifetime. A LOT. The awesome thing is, I agree with a lot of your fans. I have still never seen Trinity ever commit a legit penalty, ever. I don't know why but officials always have some sort of agenda out there when they are calling a Trinity game, much different than any other game. Trinity is unfairly singled out and like somebody siad, it's probably because those refs just like the sports writers, have had kids who have been blasted by Trinity. So, you can explain it if you like, but I am pretty sure I get it.

[beauxman]

No. I have watched a lot of Trinity football in my lifetime. A LOT. The awesome thing is, I agree with a lot of your fans. I have still never seen Trinity ever commit a legit penalty, ever. I don't know why but officials always have some sort of agenda out there when they are calling a Trinity game, much different than any other game. Trinity is unfairly singled out and like somebody siad, it's probably because those refs just like the sports writers, have had kids who have been blasted by Trinity. So, you can explain it if you like, but I am pretty sure I get it.

So when Trinity jumps off-sides and hits the QB before the ball is snapped, that is a legal move and they shouldn't be penalized for it. When Coppell scrimmaged Trinity in in 2006, during the live play action, Coppell moved the ball 75-yards down the field with hard counts and freeze plays and never snapped the ball. I guess the refs had it out for them at that time as well.

[farmerfan]

So when Trinity jumps off-sides and hits the QB before the ball is snapped, that is a legal move and they shouldn't be penalized for it. When Coppell scrimmaged Trinity in in 2006, during the live play action, Coppell moved the ball 75-yards down the field with hard counts and freeze plays and never snapped the ball. I guess the refs had it out for them at that time as well.

Well, it's not Trinity's fault your QB was weak or couldn't take a hit and has to have the ref protect him.
These officials have kids who have gone to other schools that have been on far too many ends of Trinity hits. They are getting revenge for their kids just like Houston Dallas or whatever that guys name is that wrote that article comparing Trinity to Boise.

[powerofthehaka]

So when Trinity jumps off-sides and hits the QB before the ball is snapped, that is a legal move and they shouldn't be penalized for it. When Coppell scrimmaged Trinity in in 2006, during the live play action, Coppell moved the ball 75-yards down the field with hard counts and freeze plays and never snapped the ball. I guess the refs had it out for them at that time as well.

Why would you waste valuable practice time doing that? I guess that helps explain your playoff history.

[LR46]

No. I have watched a lot of Trinity football in my lifetime. A LOT. The awesome thing is, I agree with a lot of your fans. I have still never seen Trinity ever commit a legit penalty, ever. I don't know why but officials always have some sort of agenda out there when they are calling a Trinity game, much different than any other game. Trinity is unfairly singled out and like somebody siad, it's probably because those refs just like the sports writers, have had kids who have been blasted by Trinity. So, you can explain it if you like, but I am pretty sure I get it.

You must be an AGGIE. Nothing wrong with that, but still . . . ?

[THS PRINZ]

"Gig Em" FARMER:yes:

[Old Plano Fan]

Would love to see the stats from the Trinity game last night.

Also did not see any games last night went to see my nephew march with the Flower Mound Marcus band, he plays snare in the drum line. Man were they good! Talk about work, show last night until 9:30, then up early today for a drum line contest. No weeks off for the boy. Don't know how he does it and holds an A average in all his classes?

Again, the show last night was freaking great, what a band.

[powerofthehaka]

Would love to see the stats from the Trinity game last night.

Also did not see any games last night went to see my nephew march with the Flower Mound Marcus band, he plays snare in the drum line. Man were they good! Talk about work, show last night until 9:30, then up early today for a drum line contest. No weeks off for the boy. Don't know how he does it and holds an A average in all his classes?

Again, the show last night was freaking great, what a band.

SCORING SUMMARY
T -- Tevin Williams 6-yard run (Tyler Orwig kick) .
T -- Terrence Tusan 5-yard run (Tyler Orwig kick) .
T -- Kailahi Kautai 1-yard run (Tyler Orwig kick) .
T -- Brandon Carter 65-yard punt return .
T -- Brandon Carter 17-yard run (Tyler Orwig kick) .
T -- Brandon Reeves 19-yard run .
T -- Brandon Reeves 2-yard run (Tyler Orwig kick) .
T -- Julian Mendoza 1-yard run (Tyler Orwig kick) .
TEAM STATS
Irving Euless Trinity
Total yards 37 448
First downs 5 23
Rushes/Yds 25/9 44/358
Average rush 0.36 8.14
Comp-Att-Int 4-16-1 6-8-0
Pass yards 28 90
Comp pct 25 75
Punts 9 0
Punting Yards 290 0
Punting Average 32.22 0
Fumbles-Lost 2-0 2-1
Penalties-yards 5-55 3-35
IRVING
Passing Comp Att Pct Yds TD INT
Jarred Tennell-Hickey 4 16 25 28 0 1
Rushing Att Yds Yds/Att TD
Darian Hamm 3 8 2.67 0
Troy Melton 4 7 1.75 0
Justin Moore 1 0 0.00 0
Tevin Jones 2 0 0.00 0
Dominique Calhoun 1 0 0.00 0
Jarred Tennell-Hickey 14 0 0.00 0
Receiving Rec Yds Yds/Catch TD
Dominique Calhoun 1 11 11.0 0
Michael Vaughn 2 12 6.0 0
Saul Esqueda 1 3 3.0 0
EULESS TRINITY
Passing Comp Att Pct Yds TD INT
Kailahi Kautai 3 5 60 49 0 0
Joel Sullivan 3 3 100 41 0 0
Rushing Att Yds Yds/Att TD
Brandon Carter 2 25 12.50 1
Kailahi Kautai 3 37 12.33 1
Tevin Williams 4 43 10.75 1
Brandon Reeves 10 99 9.90 2
John Brown 4 37 9.25 0
Terrence Tusan 5 44 8.80 1
Serge Nseka 6 41 6.83 0
Jeremy Louis 2 12 6.00 0
Julian Mendoza 5 20 4.00 1
Israel Villareal 1 3 3.00 0
Jimmy Lombardo 2 0 0.00 0
Receiving Rec Yds Yds/Catch TD
Daniel Dorsey 1 22 22.0 0
Paul Tuipuloti 1 21 21.0 0
Garland Rader 2 33 16.5 0
Serge Nseka 1 8 8.0 0
Tevin Williams 1 6 6.0 0


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[BigFoot]

Well, it's not Trinity's fault your QB was weak or couldn't take a hit and has to have the ref protect him.
These officials have kids who have gone to other schools that have been on far too many ends of Trinity hits. They are getting revenge for their kids just like Houston Dallas or whatever that guys name is that wrote that article comparing Trinity to Boise.

Come on ....you know that is not a global truth about ET fans. You are picking the few not the masses. Da Hawaiin, TT4L, TTFL, BaylorDad, BTrain, ME, and many others do not claim that. I bet Nick is the biggest
complainer about our penalties. He sees them and calls them out immediately. Your generalizing is what makes it insignificant. Sure there are those in every crowd who don't like the calls and see them differently.
We get plenty of calls and some are not ligit but they also miss some on everyone for and against. I will defend most of us for not being a complainer about the refs but about 16-18 year olds making needless mistakes. Happens on every team every week. BUT to make ET fans sound like the masses agree with the few...just ain't so. The masses don't post here.

[Old Plano Fan]

Thanks

[TrojanHorse03]

Come on ....you know that is not a global truth about ET fans. You are picking the few not the masses. Da Hawaiin, TT4L, TTFL, BaylorDad, BTrain, ME, and many others do not claim that. I bet Nick is the biggest
complainer about our penalties. He sees them and calls them out immediately. Your generalizing is what makes it insignificant. Sure there are those in every crowd who don't like the calls and see them differently.
We get plenty of calls and some are not ligit but they also miss some on everyone for and against. I will defend most of us for not being a complainer about the refs but about 16-18 year olds making needless mistakes. Happens on every team every week. BUT to make ET fans sound like the masses agree with the few...just ain't so. The masses don't post here.

Yeah, because when I sit on the opponent's side of Trinity games I never hear fans complain or boo officiating ;). Farmer's holy war against Trinity fans lol is certainly a worthy cause.

[farmerfan]

Come on ....you know that is not a global truth about ET fans. You are picking the few not the masses. Da Hawaiin, TT4L, TTFL, BaylorDad, BTrain, ME, and many others do not claim that. I bet Nick is the biggest
complainer about our penalties. He sees them and calls them out immediately. Your generalizing is what makes it insignificant. Sure there are those in every crowd who don't like the calls and see them differently.
We get plenty of calls and some are not ligit but they also miss some on everyone for and against. I will defend most of us for not being a complainer about the refs but about 16-18 year olds making needless mistakes. Happens on every team every week. BUT to make ET fans sound like the masses agree with the few...just ain't so. The masses don't post here.

I know that Bigfoot and I have alluded to just that by mentioning that you and your husband and baylordad and DH and others are not apart of that group.

But here is what is funny, I address those who do and who do you and others take issue with? Me. Instead of battling your own, you take isssue with what I say. That is fine but come on. You all have a group of fans on here who have proven to be constant whiners and and are doing the exact thing I have been saying:

Complaining about refs

Complaining about late hits

Complaining about agendas.

It doesn't fail. I address them but you address me. Funny how that works.

[LR46]

Yeah, because when I sit on the opponent's side of Trinity games I never hear fans complain or boo officiating ;). Farmer's holy war against Trinity fans lol is certainly a worthy cause.

So it's a holy war that famerfan has . . . to me that's giving him too much credit. More like a school yard "pile on" and it appears he loves to be on top.

[farmerfan]

Yeah, because when I sit on the opponent's side of Trinity games I never hear fans complain or boo officiating ;). Farmer's holy war against Trinity fans lol is certainly a worthy cause.

Can you please show me again where Trinity fans have not been whining about:

Officiating
Late hits?

Thanks.

This season so far has proven just that. It is hilarious. You take issue with what I say but totally ignore what your own say. You have no credibility and are a :Censor: poodle.

Tyler Lee is what is still cracking me up. Trinity fans complaining about late hits against them.

But what has happend recently? Oh my, Trinity fans mentioning the same thing, too many personal fouls on their own team, too many penalties on their own team. Only to be met with the officials are in protective mode.

Trinity fans are awesome

[TrojanHorse03]

Can you please show me again where Trinity fans have not been whining about:

Officiating
Late hits?

Thanks.

This season so far has proven just that. It is hilarious. You take issue with what I say but totally ignore what your own say. You have no credibility and are a :Censor: poodle.

Tyler Lee is what is still cracking me up. Trinity fans complaining about late hits against them.

But what has happend recently? Oh my, Trinity fans mentioning the same thing, too many personal fouls on their own team, too many penalties on their own team. Only to be met with the officials are in protective mode.

Trinity fans are awesome

I didn't have an issue with what your post, I'm a laughing at your Don Quixote crusade.

[LR46]

I know that Bigfoot and I have alluded to just that by mentioning that you and your husband and baylordad and DH and others are not apart of that group.

But here is what is funny, I address those who do and who do you and others take issue with? Me. Instead of battling your own, you take isssue with what I say. That is fine but come on. You all have a group of fans on here who have proven to be constant whiners and and are doing the exact thing I have been saying:

Complaining about refs

Complaining about late hits

Complaining about agendas.

It doesn't fail. I address them but you address me. Funny how that works.

If you above 3 points were valid, they would obviously be addressed, as you put it. Because they are pugnacious and banal, I guess most find it more fun to address the reasoning behind your posts. But fun is a relative term here, I know that. I personally think you're bold and brazen. I appreciate that but it would make more sense if what you said made more sense along with it. Just MHO of course. :cool:

[farmerfan]

I don't have issue with what you say. I'm a laughing at your Don Quixote crusade.

You have had issue with what I have said dating back to the RRSP game of last year. Don't even try to hide that

[farmerfan]

If you above 3 points were valid, they would obviously be addressed, as you put it. Because they are pugnacious and banal, I guess most find it more fun to address the reasoning behind your posts. But fun is a relative term here, I know that. I personally think you're bold and brazen. I appreciate that but it would make more sense if what you said made more sense along with it. Just MHO of course. :cool:

So you are saying those are not true? You are saying that some Trinity fans on this very board do not whine about that stuff?



:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Go eat another BM

[LR46]

Can you please show me again where Trinity fans have not been whining about:

Officiating
Late hits?

Thanks.

This season so far has proven just that. It is hilarious. You take issue with what I say but totally ignore what your own say. You have no credibility and are a :Censor: poodle.

Tyler Lee is what is still cracking me up. Trinity fans complaining about late hits against them.

But what has happend recently? Oh my, Trinity fans mentioning the same thing, too many personal fouls on their own team, too many penalties on their own team. Only to be met with the officials are in protective mode.

Trinity fans are awesome

IMHO again, I don't like the fact that Trinity is penalized as much as they are. I'm not complaining about the refs. Trinity coaching needs to drill into the players on this team that "Penalties will not be tolerated" no matter where they come from. Do refs miss calls or see calls a questionable way sure . . . often for and against both teams in a game . . . andmost of the time is does even out. And even if the refs are unfairly calling penalties on Trinity (not saying they are) . . . the other teams must be thanking them every time it happens (if it really does).

Then again if Trinity were able to play game with no legit penalties you might have to call them "Perfect" . . . and we wouldn't want that to ever happen, would we. We Trinity fans would never be able to take the scrutiny if that were so.

And you slipped up in this post farmerfan (see bold in quote) GOTCHA!? Oh wait you were being sarcastic . . . well whatdaya know! :D And more fun coming today . . . in just about 3 hours I can watch my Clemson Tigers beat the Auburn (fake) Tigers. Cool!!! :cool:

[BDB]

sooooo.... trinity is complaining about what now?

[LR46]

So you are saying those are not true? You are saying that some Trinity fans on this very board do not whine about that stuff?



:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Go eat another BM

Already had one th is morning and it was awesome. Now you're catching on. I like that. Besides it's way past BM time, it's getting close to P time. There's nothing better than a good P while your watching college football. :yes:

[TrojanHorse03]

But what has happend recently? Oh my, Trinity fans mentioning the same thing, too many personal fouls on their own team, too many penalties on their own team. Only to be met with the officials are in protective mode.

Trinity fans are awesome

That's misleading. Trinity fans have saying Trinity needs to do better in personal fouls is not a recent thing, that doesn't mean officials are flawless either.

[farmerfan]

That's misleading. Trinity fans have saying Trinity needs to do better in personal fouls is not a recent thing, that doesn't mean officials are flawless either.

Not misleading at all. Trinity fans refuse to do battle with each other. So therefore you do battle with those who do addres the others that constantly whine.

I am sure Bell's band just did something to piss off the poor in Euless but who knows

[farmerfan]

Already had one th is morning and it was awesome. Now you're catching on. I like that. Besides it's way past BM time, it's getting close to P time. There's nothing better than a good P while your watching college football. :yes:

dood

Clemson plays in a fake conference and plays fake football. They are going up against Big Boy football tonight and well, they would much rather be enjoying BM's instead

[BDB]

so i have a question i've been wanting to ask trinity fans for awhile, and what better thread than this flamewar.

so trinity fans, what's your take on fans of the all blacks and other actual polynesian people hating these high schools disrespecting one of their traditions by not practicing the haka properly?

[TrojanHorse03]

Not misleading at all. Trinity fans refuse to do battle with each other. So therefore you do battle with those who do addres the others that constantly whine.

I am sure Bell's band just did something to piss off the poor in Euless but who knows

Some whine about player transfers, out of state games, 7-on-7, what a thread can be about, the list goes on, I'm fine with disagreement with calls.

[farmerfan]

Some whine about player transfers, out of state games, 7-on-7, the list goes on, I'm fine with disagreement with calls.

But yet you only take issue with one. Funny how that works, Poodle

[farmerfan]

so i have a question i've been wanting to ask trinity fans for awhile, and what better thread than this flamewar.

so trinity fans, what's your take on fans of the all blacks and other actual polynesian people hating these high schools disrespecting one of their traditions by not practicing the haka properly?

Don't expect to get an answer


THat is, unless a band plays during the chant to the god of Castaway or the other teams fans yell real loud

[BDB]

Don't expect to get an answer


THat is, unless a band plays during the chant to the god of Castaway or the other teams fans yell real loud

well technically the fans should be silent and they should be doing the dance to the opposing team.

[farmerfan]

well technically the fans should be silent and they should be doing the dance to the opposing team.

But they're Trinity.l The refs would probably call a penalty if they did. The refs hate Trinity

[BDB]

But they're Trinity.l The refs would probably call a penalty if they did. The refs hate Trinity

no doubt. i saw the trinity/tyler lee game and the replay. such bad officiating in that win for them.

[TrojanHorse03]

so i have a question i've been wanting to ask trinity fans for awhile, and what better thread than this flamewar.

so trinity fans, what's your take on fans of the all blacks and other actual polynesian people hating these high schools disrespecting one of their traditions by not practicing the haka properly?

I'm not exactly sure your point, Da hawaiian will definitely have to correct me if I'm wrong, but I think what they have performed this year and last year isn't really a haka is it? I think it's a sipi tau?

[beauxman]

well technically the fans should be silent and they should be doing the dance to the opposing team.

That would be considered unsportsmanlike and not tolerated in the UIL. The Haka has become a novelty tradition for Trinity. It's cool to watch as it is a real fun show displaying teamwork. Most opposing coaches don't let their team come out until Trinity has done their Haka. Yelling and being loud during the football team's Haka performance would be viewed as the equivalent as doing the same during the opposing school's marching band performance.

[farmerfan]

no doubt. i saw the trinity/tyler lee game and the replay. such bad officiating in that win for them.

Yeah man. Those refs are out to protect the others because Trinity never commits a personal foul. They call those because thye hit too hard

[TrojanHorse03]

no doubt. i saw the trinity/tyler lee game and the replay. such bad officiating in that win for them.

Thats a lie BDB, the refs never make a mistake, and the KTs should ban any Trinity fan who says otherwise so our long national nightmare will be over :mad:.

[LR46]

so i have a question i've been wanting to ask trinity fans for awhile, and what better thread than this flamewar.

so trinity fans, what's your take on fans of the all blacks and other actual polynesian people hating these high schools disrespecting one of their traditions by not practicing the haka properly?

irrelevant, out of order . . . I object to hypocisy of it all . . . OMG, I'm starting to sound like farmerfan . . . and ARRRRG, he's a AGGIE!

And what does "actual Polynesian people" mean. That's a very strange statement. And what is the "proper HAKA" anyway . . . do tell!

Let's stay on subject and on task here " No Doubt, (Who's The) Best Team in Area" I thought.

[farmerfan]

http://www.palined.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/mccain_haka.jpg

[farmerfan]

irrelevant, out of order . . . I object to hypocisy of it all . . . OMG, I'm starting to sound like farmerfan . . . and ARRRRG, he's a AGGIE!

And what does "actual Polynesian people" mean. That's a very strange statement. And what is the "proper HAKA" anyway . . . do tell!

Let's stay on subject and on task here " No Doubt, (Who's The) Best Team in Area" I thought.

considering your corrections in other threads


just sayin

[BDB]

I'm not exactly sure your point, Da hawaiian will definitely have to correct me if I'm wrong, but I think what they have performed this year and last year isn't really a haka is it? I think it's a tsi tau?

i thought they ended with the ka mate still? i could be wrong, though. but, the fans are upset with how sloppy it is and how it doesn't follow traditional practice.

[BDB]

That would be considered unsportsmanlike and not tolerated in the UIL. The Haka has become a novelty tradition for Trinity. It's cool to watch as it is a real fun show displaying teamwork. Most opposing coaches don't let their team come out until Trinity has done their Haka. Yelling and being loud during the football team's Haka performance would be viewed as the equivalent as doing the same during the opposing school's marching band performance.

then they prolly shouldn't do it, if they're not gonna do it right. just imo.

[LR46]

But they're Trinity.l The refs would probably call a penalty if they did. The refs hate Trinity

Don't you ever get tired of yourself? How can you not? Amazing!! Hating Trinity has to be your cocaine . . . now I get it. It's a very hard habit to kick but there are programs for it. If you'd like, I'll BM you a few . . . opps, I meant PM you a few. All the proceeds go to a worth cause too. :cool:

[BDB]

And what does "actual Polynesian people" mean. That's a very strange statement. And what is the "proper HAKA" anyway . . . do tell!

.

i should have said actual new zealanders. they should be 10 meters from the opposing team with the crowd silent (not waving signs that say "haka" and screaming) with the opposing team looking at them squarely until the dance is over. they also really hate that it's so fast and sloppy. that's what i've gotten from people explaining why they hate the american "bastardization" of the haka.

[farmerfan]

Don't you ever get tired of yourself? How can you not? Amazing!! Hating Trinity has to be your cocaine . . . now I get it. It's a very hard habit to kick but there are programs for it. If you'd like, I'll BM you a few . . . opps, I meant PM you a few. All the proceeds go to a worth cause too. :cool:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Io-yqFenZXo/R8VKLWTmp_I/AAAAAAAAABc/yMOfHdBOP1c/S740/Haka.JPG

[TrojanHorse03]

But yet you only take issue with one. Funny how that works, Poodle

People complaining on all those issues are fine.

[farmerfan]

People complaining on all those issues are fine.

HMMMM


Funny, you seem to only continue to take issue though with one. Interesting. Go Poodle go


http://bicyclefish.files.wordpress.com/2006/09/poodles-miniature.jpg

[TrojanHorse03]

HMMMM


Funny, you seem to only continue to take issue though with one. Interesting. Go Poodle go


http://bicyclefish.files.wordpress.com/2006/09/poodles-miniature.jpg

I don't have an issue.

[farmerfan]

I don't have an issue.

keep believing that

[LR46]

BTW - who ever said Trinity was perfect? Complain, complain, complain . . . anyway, its the sign of malcontents and inane, misguided people. I'm starting to get sick, I think it is time for a BM after all farmerfan. Would you like to have one with me.

Had enough of this thread . . . ga'day!!

[TrojanHorse03]

i should have said actual new zealanders. they should be 10 meters from the opposing team with the crowd silent (not waving signs that say "haka" and screaming) with the opposing team looking at them squarely until the dance is over. they also really hate that it's so fast and sloppy. that's what i've gotten from people explaining why they hate the american "bastardization" of the haka.

Yeah, da hawaiian would know but I think it's a sipi tau(sp) now, so now they can complain about that and I guess that fact that it would be incorrectly referred to as still being a haka.

[farmerfan]

BTW - who ever said Trinity was perfect? Complain, complain, complain . . . anyway, its the sign of malcontents and inane, misguided people. I'm starting to get sick, I think it is time for a BM after all farmerfan. Would you like to have one with me.

Had enough of this thread . . . ga'day!!

No thank you. I have queso. With pork in it as well as cilantro and vodka.


Trinity is perfeect though. Everybody knows it. They have never committed a penalty in their history and when they do, especially when more than the other team, it is due to an agenda against them. I conlcude with this:



http://mwanamishale.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/origin-of-the-haka.jpg

[trojanbacker]

No thank you. I have queso. With pork in it as well as cilantro and vodka.


Trinity is perfeect though. Everybody knows it. They have never committed a penalty in their history and when they do, especially when more than the other team, it is due to an agenda against them. I conlcude with this:



http://mwanamishale.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/origin-of-the-haka.jpg

Now, that's funny.

[LR46]

Now, that's funny.

Those must be farmerfan's well trained and unattended sheep. They look like AGGIES too. He's gotta be jealous.

[farmerfan]

Those must be farmerfan's well trained and unattended sheep. They look like AGGIES too. He's gotta be jealous.

I think if you look real close they have Lake Hartwell written all ove rthem. I think those things come straight from the shores of Hartwell on to Clemson

[BigFoot]

I know that Bigfoot and I have alluded to just that by mentioning that you and your husband and baylordad and DH and others are not apart of that group.

But here is what is funny, I address those who do and who do you and others take issue with? Me. Instead of battling your own, you take isssue with what I say. That is fine but come on. You all have a group of fans on here who have proven to be constant whiners and and are doing the exact thing I have been saying:

Complaining about refs

Complaining about late hits

Complaining about agendas.

It doesn't fail. I address them but you address me. Funny how that works.


Every fan base have those who openly complain. I suppose it is a priviledge of buying a ticket. I am only addressing you because you say ET fans are whiners. Ok some do but have the right just as any fan base does. I don't think it is an exclusive club. It just seems to me that you have been so negative on ET because of the few. We have a lot of good qualities too. I would not go on anyones board and cut them up no matter what they have to say. I know you are not the unkind person it seems sometimes. You are very informative about football and its history. You have better qualities than to constantly berate any team. You are smart and know so much about football. I would love to see the historian and football mind posting rather than the angry side. Sorry if you thought I was attacking you I am not. Just saying...you are better than that.