Moving down to 4A

[biki1121]

Who do you expect to move down to 4A in the future?

I know one current number set would move schools like SLC, Lufkin, and other small 5As back into 4. I doubt they would do that as it would move about another 120 schools into 4A and the expect an approximately 40 school increase from 3A to 4A.

A few schools on the bubble if enrollment remains the same?

John Tyler
Denton Ryan

Anyone know any others?

[pack0808]

waco is another one that is on the bubble, and smithson valley i believe??

[The Dude]

Are southlake and smithson valley not growing in size? I figured nice areas like that would have to keep people away and not be in the verge of going back down to 4a. And if a family is moving around the area I would think they'd move to the boundries of that school zone given the great athletic and academics they both have. Just like Katy ISD, people moving to houston a lot of times will go a few more miles west and stay out in Katy to give their children a better education and play for the big shot teams.

[dragonsdaddy]

the cutoff will be whatever it takes to get 32 8 team districts with the rare 10-12 team district. the totals for 5a are almost set in stone since they are going to 4 po teams per. uil doesn't want the embarrassing situation of a 1-9 team making the grade. now if they could just get embarrassed enough to unify the championship. whether they will they let teams opt up is one intriguing scenario that may skew the cutoff somewhat. they made such choices more or less nada in the last biennial slugfest.

another cutoff is hp's official enrollment plus 1-5.

[biki1121]

Is SLC in a land-locked situation regarding the city? I know in EastTex the enrollmentments in 2A/3A are remaining about the same but the 5A numbers are dropping. Interesting situation as where are the people going? Jasper is a prime example. Steadily declining enrollment but the surrounding schools really aren't growing. The nearest large city is Beaumont but they are dropping in numbers as well at Westbrook and Central.

It almost feels we are heading for a Florida situation. Massive amount of 2A/3A and alot of 6A schools with not much in-between.

[gwdaddy]

Good one, dd. We've got to keep that old Dragon/Scot rivalry going, even if only on the message board.

[LoboFan07]

Longview will be the next one to go after John Tyler.

The 5A numbers in ET are definately dropping but the 4A numbers are beginning to rise from what I hear.

Marshall and Nacogdoches have both been rumored to move back up to 5A, but I doubt that will happen even though I would love for it to.

We shall see what happens but 5A East Texas Football is not looking good as far as enrollment and numbers of teams.

[lonny23]

Looking at the last enrollment numbers, I don't see very many teams moving up to 5A, which also means there won't be a lot moving down. They still had teams playing up 2 years ago and that probably won't change.

Wagner splitting from Judson will create an extra 5A school. Clemens splitting in half will drop the Buffs. SV having a new school will drop them and Comal ISD probably wants all their schools in the same 4A district, anyway. I know Northside ISD is building a new school, so SA will break even with their number of 5A schools.

I bet there will be a few RGV schools that move up from 4A.

[dragonsdaddy]

[QUOTE=biki1121]Is SLC in a land-locked situation regarding the city?

yes and the experts in such things are predicting full land use as far as housing in the near future with the max of hs students at about 2400 in the next year or 2. it appears the student totals will begin to fall after that. if the inexorible rise in 5a cutoff continues, we'll be 4a again in a couple of redistricting phases.

[StormingCowboy]

Dallas Carter should've been in Class 4A 10 years ago because of their enrollment, but they always opt to stay in 5A. I'm sure they will do the same again. Dallas Kimball stayed up in 5A with a 4A enrollment for a while too before they finally dropped down.
As far as the competition, the eilte 4A schools are just as good as the the good teams in 5A. I think Ennis, Kilgore, LaMarque, Marshall, Highland park, and I'm sure there are others, would be contenders in 5A.

Ex: Denton Ryan, SV

[PackAttack2005]

Lufkin will have a large freshman class in 2005-2006 and should have 2400 plus enrollment next fall. When that freshman class graduates in 2009, Lufkin's enrollment numbers will decrease back down to around 2100-2200 kids. Everything depends on where the UIL sets the minimum cut off for 5A. Lufkin should be okay the next couple of realighnments, unless the UIL does the improbable and discover a need for a 6A classification, then we would stay 5A. All the East Texas schools could then renew our old rivalries.

I am sure Huntsville will also go back to 4A.

[battlin'bulldawgs]

Copperas Cove is also on the bubble. The school started with 2200 but by the end of the year they were down to about 1950

[RedRage00]

CC Miller and CC Moody should have been in 4A years ago too...but they always opt up....don't know what they'll do this year.

RR

[StormingCowboy]

Copperas Cove is also on the bubble. The school started with 2200 but by the end of the year they were down to about 1950

What caused this drop in enroll so quickly. Did they open another school or something??

[lonny23]

CC Miller and CC Moody should have been in 4A years ago too...but they always opt up....don't know what they'll do this year.

RR
You know EXACTLY what they'll do. They'll stay in 5A so they don't have to lose to Calallen and GP in district! :D

[pack0808]

here is all the 5a teams that are on the bubble!! some look like they should not be in 5a?? i do not understand the rules exactly can somebody explain!! several in 4a have much bigger enrollments then some small 5a schools like laredo johnson. some 4a school's have 1,900 while some 5a school have 1,500. how is that possible??


ok here is the list of those really on the bubble!! they are in no particular order

mesquite horn 1,940
waco 1,994
huntsville 1,949
round rock 1,964
buda hays 1,989
austin crockett 1,936
houston strake jesuit 1,672
san marcos 1,975
john tyler 1,976
north crowley 1,928
granbury 1,967
denton ryan 1,981
the colony 1,932
dallas carter 1,896
dallas jesuit 1,998
richardson pierce 1,976
richardson 1,984
weslaco 1995
cc moody 1,816
cc miller 1,597 :eek:
laredo cigarroa 1,556 :eek:
laredo johnson 1,528 :eek:
laredo united south 1,923 --- please let this poor team go to 4a. heck let them go to 2a or 1a
mission sharyland 1,933
edinburg noth 1,932

again, how can schools with 1,500 be in 5a when you have several 4a teams with 1,900?? i am confused?? teams like waco and john tyler that i have heard that were supposed to be on the bubble are not even close to some of the lower ones.

[dragonsdaddy]

until the next round of legal wranglings/blackmail, you can take both jesuits off the list. by fiat, they will be 5a regardless of their numbers.

[pack0808]

yeah i forgot about that but can you explain some of the 1,500 schools in 5a?? does not make sense to me??

[dragonsdaddy]

if you'll look, they are all in multi-school districts like laredo where ease of scheduling and reducing diesel consumption trumps athletic concerns. these schools start off behind the eight ball playing out of their class, when they weren't terribly good to begin with.

[lonny23]

A lot of it started out in El Paso. Teams didn't want to drop down to 4A and have to travel so far to play their opponents. I remember when Canutillo was a 5A school and had less than 1,000 students. As you can now see, El Paso has a healthy number of 4A schools, but that wasn't always the case. There isn't a big deal about Dallas, San Antonio, or Houston schools dropping to 4A when considering travel. Fort Worth has always had plenty of 4A schools. In past alignments there have been certain schools that opted to stay in 5A for prestige and I think Carter was one of them.

I'm not convinced the enrollment cutoff will go up for 5A. There are many places around the state that are losing population, but the big gainers are the major metro areas and those with a considerable Hispanic influx. The new school construction cutting into enrollment figures will create a lot of 4A schools if they don't drop the cutoff.

[TexasHSFootball]

yeah i forgot about that but can you explain some of the 1,500 schools in 5a?? does not make sense to me??
A lot of this is due to travel strains on the Corpus Christi and Laredo schools. Georgraphy and milage plays a huge role in this. The Corpus Christi and Laredo schools have used the option with the UIL to "play up" to ease on this very issue.

[dragonsdaddy]

seems like i read that somewhere else recently. :p

[Bootsdaddy]

If im not mistaken i dont believe the UIL allows teams to "opt up" any longer except for travel hardship. Teams like Dallas Carter and John Tyler wouldnt be allowed to remain in 5A for tradition or prestige.

[dentonRYAN]

it was posted before that Denton Ryan is in the bubble to move down to 4A next season.....there is no doubt in my mind that Ryan will be 4A becasue there will be 300+ less students this upcoming school year because of the new high school in denton....and there will be even less the year after that.....

the numbers posted earlier were incorrect....Denton Ryan had about 2100+ students during the 04-05 year.... the building was not built for this many students...... hopefully everything will go back to normal in the next year or two....were numbers should stay at around 1800-1850

[LeanderLions3033]

Leander is sitting at about 2000 kids (more like 2050 but you understand) and Vista Ridge High school is now taking away its main source of students, the Block House Subdivision. Block House has always been where Leander got about a 1/5 of its kids from, but that wont be the case anymore. Trust me, we should be 4A in no time while Vista Ridge will soon have about 2300 kids (2007 will be Vista Ridges first senior class) in 2007. A bunch of the athletes want to stay at Leander because of hte coaches at Vista ridge, but we'll see how that goes. We should still have 4A numbers.

[pack0808]

it was posted before that Denton Ryan is in the bubble to move down to 4A next season.....there is no doubt in my mind that Ryan will be 4A becasue there will be 300+ less students this upcoming school year because of the new high school in denton....and there will be even less the year after that.....

the numbers posted earlier were incorrect....Denton Ryan had about 2100+ students during the 04-05 year.... the building was not built for this many students...... hopefully everything will go back to normal in the next year or two....were numbers should stay at around 1800-1850



both the dc magazine and the uil site say denton ryan had an enrollment of exactly 1,981. i doubt they are both wrong??

i also did not realize a team had the option to opt up and stay in a higher classification then their numbers indicated like dallas carter supposedly did?? thanks for the explanation on the laredo school's i could not figure that one out??

[slcdragons]

[QUOTE=biki1121]Is SLC in a land-locked situation regarding the city?

yes and the experts in such things are predicting full land use as far as housing in the near future with the max of hs students at about 2400 in the next year or 2. it appears the student totals will begin to fall after that. if the inexorible rise in 5a cutoff continues, we'll be 4a again in a couple of redistricting phases.

The city of Southlake is just about built out on the southside of highway 114. On the northside of 114 however there is plenty o' undeveloped land. The district is going to try and have a bond isssue this fall and one of the components is an addition to a school as the school is running out of room for the kids. I'd say its safe to say that we'll remain 5a for a good spell. :)

[dragonsdaddy]

i don't have the demographics to lean on, but several uppity ups have told me that the attendence max is at hand and should begin to wane in the next few years as the city ages. the 02-06 growth bubble isn't endlessly expanding.

[CCHS77]

[QUOTE=dragonsdaddy]

The city of Southlake is just about built out on the southside of highway 114. On the northside of 114 however there is plenty o' undeveloped land. The district is going to try and have a bond isssue this fall and one of the components is an addition to a school as the school is running out of room for the kids. I'd say its safe to say that we'll remain 5a for a good spell. :)

Most of the land, you see north of 114 is not zoned for family housing.

I started to write a long answer pointing to the facts or trends as I know them. Instead, I will just offer; If you think you know what the Southlake City Council, CISD school board and UIL are going to do with any certainty, I have some ocean front property in Kansas to sell you!

That said (less the UIL piece) DD is relaying what is currently thought to be "the" trends.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

After our seniors leave this up-coming school year we'll probably be down around 1800-1950.

[slcdragons]

[QUOTE=slcdragons]

Most of the land, you see north of 114 is not zoned for family housing.

I started to write a long answer pointing to the facts or trends as I know them. Instead, I will just offer; If you think you know what the Southlake City Council, CISD school board and UIL are going to do with any certainty, I have some ocean front property in Kansas to sell you!

That said (less the UIL piece) DD is relaying what is currently thought to be "the" trends.
I'll admit i don't know what zoning laws are in place for the area we're chatting about, but drive by triple c ranch off carroll avenue and estes park off dove. I don't know how many houses are going in at triple c, but estes park has in the ball park of 35 new houses for sure.(Per:Real Estate friend) And I can say for sure that CISD does want to build on to an existing school because of the overcrowding because I have seen the blueprints for it. Plus if the disputed lands the district is fighting over with NWISD comes over to CISD, there will be more kids to teach, and they are building houses out there by Clariden Ranch too.

[pack0808]

After our seniors leave this up-coming school year we'll probably be down around 1800-1950.


there is no way yall are going to go down to anywhere near 1800 unless there is a plague going on there?? lol pa memorial had an enrollment of 2,613 last year. i do not think they will lose 800 students in 1 single year scooter.

[Red Raiders]

there is no way yall are going to go down to anywhere near 1800 unless there is a plague going on there?? lol pa memorial had an enrollment of 2,613 last year. i do not think they will lose 800 students in 1 single year scooter.

I just don't see that unless every person has disease.

[CCHS77]

[QUOTE=CCHS77]
I'll admit i don't know what zoning laws are in place for the area we're chatting about, but drive by triple c ranch off carroll avenue and estes park off dove. I don't know how many houses are going in at triple c, but estes park has in the ball park of 35 new houses for sure.(Per:Real Estate friend) And I can say for sure that CISD does want to build on to an existing school because of the overcrowding because I have seen the blueprints for it. Plus if the disputed lands the district is fighting over with NWISD comes over to CISD, there will be more kids to teach, and they are building houses out there by Clariden Ranch too.


All but the NWISD are accounted for in the demographics that DD refers to. I believe I saw where the NWISD would bring (estimate) a couple of hundred kids in the K-12 range. I don't personally see where the estimated 2400-2500 kids at 9-12 is at risk. However since your not sure, refer to my caveat.

IF, the city of Southlake would re-zone large chunks of land north of 114 from business parks to residential housing, then yes it could!
If the city of Southlake reverses it stance (dramatically) on lot size and multi-family housing, then yes it could!

I “trust” that CISD will net more in the sale of the existing school buildings (N of 114) than they are asking for in the bond to expand a school building for over crowding.

[RedRage00]

You know EXACTLY what they'll do. They'll stay in 5A so they don't have to lose to Calallen and GP in district! :D

Well, there is rumor that they may actually let them drop down to 4A...I mean how far is GP and Calallen from Corpus??? Even Kingsville and Alice are not far.

I won't believe it until I see it.

RR

[slcdragons]

Another school more than likely moving down is Fossill Ridge.

[dragonsdaddy]

they will have to drop pretty far to make that jump it seems. central took lots of athletes, and more than a few students, but they are building houses post haste out there too. i'm betting central moves up, not fridge going down. if they do, that'll be a perfect replacement for dryan. if it happens, hope central has their shoes laced up tight.

[battlin'bulldawgs]

Copperas Cove dropped so dramatically is because we are located right next to fort hood. No ball players though.

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

there is no way yall are going to go down to anywhere near 1800 unless there is a plague going on there?? lol pa memorial had an enrollment of 2,613 last year. i do not think they will lose 800 students in 1 single year scooter.We had 2100. Where are you getting your numbers from?

[Mr. Buddy Garrity]

I just don't see that unless every person has disease.
200 out of 500 students tested positive for STD's year before last. That's just the senior class for 2004.

[pack0808]

[QUOTE=scooter!]We had 2100. Where are you getting your numbers from?


i am getting my numbers straight from the official uil site. look for yourself!!
http://www.uil.utexas.edu/2004align/


i also looked in the dave campbell magazine which i have right here on my desk scooter and it says the same exact thing as the uil. port arthur memorial (2,613) i think you might have been told some bad info scooter.

[dentonRYAN]

both the dc magazine and the uil site say denton ryan had an enrollment of exactly 1,981. i doubt they are both wrong??

i dont care what dc magazine and uil says....i attended d ryan last year and i know how many students went there..... you might have the enrollment from 2003-2004 ..... becuase in 04-05 there was a huge increase ....and it was noticable throughtout the school year....

[pack0808]

i dont care what dc magazine and uil says....i attended d ryan last year and i know how many students went there..... you might have the enrollment from 2003-2004 ..... becuase in 04-05 there was a huge increase ....and it was noticable throughtout the school year....


okay so you are saying both the official uil site and the dc magazine is wrong?? if you will look at the site it clearly says 2004-2005 enrollment figures!! funny how they were exactly right on lufkin!! ;) the uil keeps up with the official numbers the last time i checked?? that is where the school's have to report their official enrollment. i am sorry but i would trust the uil numbers over your numbers. it is nothing personal.

[RidgePride]

okay so you are saying both the official uil site and the dc magazine is wrong?? if you will look at the site it clearly says 2004-2005 enrollment figures!! funny how they were exactly right on lufkin!! ;) the uil keeps up with the official numbers the last time i checked?? that is where the school's have to report their official enrollment. i am sorry but i would trust the uil numbers over your numbers. it is nothing personal.

Well I know that Fossil Ridge will have about 1900 to 2100 students for next year and they are listed at 2427.5
I trust someone who is closer to one particular school than a magazine that has to do numbers for all schools.

This year they will get the numbers for next years realignment 9-12.

If the 9th grade class that comes in is smaller (or larger) than expected then the numbers will be skewed for two years.

They may have projected a school to have 600 freshman for the next two years- but in reality they may get 400 for 2 straight years. That puts them at 400 less than what the magazine states.
Fossil Ridge lost almost half its football team to Central.

[dragonsdaddy]

the numbers are from a week's attendance in october the year before realignment and stay unadjusted for 2 years. the actual attendance figures are more fluid and can change a lot in 2 years. the official figures are published, but very likely inaccurate in actuality.

[RidgePride]

the numbers are from a week's attendance in october the year before realignment and stay unadjusted for 2 years. the actual attendance figures are more fluid and can change a lot in 2 years. the official figures are published, but very likely inaccurate in actuality.


Do they count the 9-12 in October or grades 8-11.

[pack0808]

Well I know that Fossil Ridge will have about 1900 to 2100 students for next year and they are listed at 2427.5
I trust someone who is closer to one particular school than a magazine that has to do numbers for all schools.

This year they will get the numbers for next years realignment 9-12.

If the 9th grade class that comes in is smaller (or larger) than expected then the numbers will be skewed for two years.

They may have projected a school to have 600 freshman for the next two years- but in reality they may get 400 for 2 straight years. That puts them at 400 less than what the magazine states.
Fossil Ridge lost almost half its football team to Central.


ok i guess?? that were right on about lufkin's numbers. i just find it hard to believe that both the official uil website and the dave campbells magazine could both be wrong?? look up the dc magazine and check it out. it has the same exact numbers. maybe they just copied it from the uil website i do not know?? i am not saying anybody is lying about their enrollment but i would tend to agree with 2 respected sources. if they are both wrong i do apologize. i certainly did not make up the numbers they are right there for anybody to get.

[pack0808]

the numbers are from a week's attendance in october the year before realignment and stay unadjusted for 2 years. the actual attendance figures are more fluid and can change a lot in 2 years. the official figures are published, but very likely inaccurate in actuality.


oh ok ddaddy i did not realize that. i still do not how pa memorial and the other school mentioned could be that much off from only a year ago or 2??

[RidgePride]

again, how can schools with 1,500 be in 5a when you have several 4a teams with 1,900?? i am confused?? teams like waco and john tyler that i have heard that were supposed to be on the bubble are not even close to some of the lower ones.


Because a team can elect to stay at 5A if they want to even if they don't have the numbers.

[pack0808]

Because a team can elect to stay at 5A if they want to even if they don't have the numbers.


how is that possible?? what if everybody decided to play 5a?? so you are saying the numbers absolutely mean nada and schools and can stay where ever they want?? that is odd??

[RidgePride]

how is that possible?? what if everybody decided to play 5a?? so you are saying the numbers absolutely mean nada and schools and can stay where ever they want?? that is odd??



I just heard that if a team were 5A the previous alignment but had 4A numbers during the next realignment - they can opt to stay 5A.

Dallas Carter has done it for years. Kimball did it to but finally went to 4A.

I don't think that just any team can just opt to play 5A

[dragonsdaddy]

as stated earlier, the uil has intimated they will be reticent to allow opting up in the future. there will have to be mitigating circumstances, and pride and tradition won't be enough to justify the exceptions.

[RidgePride]

as stated earlier, the uil has intimated they will be reticent to allow opting up in the future. there will have to be mitigating circumstances, and pride and tradition won't be enough to justify the exceptions.


Can you "dumb" the language a little for us Non-English majors.

[dragonsdaddy]

sorry for the multisyllabic diatribe. i will use the roget's for more readable palaver in the future. ;) btw, not an english major, just a nytimes crossword solver.

[dragons08]

sorry for the multisyllabic diatribe. i will use the roget's for more readable palaver in the future. ;) btw, not an english major, just a nytimes crossword solver.
well, i cant understand 5 of those words, but i think i still got the main idea

[pack0808]

"doc" definitely has a fine vocabulary on him and i am envious!! ;) i remember when my father used to try to make me learn 5 new words a day and i fought him tooth and nail until he gave up. that was a dumb move on my part because that would mean that i could actually comprehend the majority of ddaddy's post's on this board. ;)

[wide-e-wide]

Sounds like Ddaddy got hungry and ate a Scrabble game.

For English please press 1.

[drgnbkr]

Sounds like Ddaddy got hungry and ate a Scrabble game.

For English please press 1.

Nah..He's on a diet and only ate the blanks....

[twhfan#1]

yeah i forgot about that but can you explain some of the 1,500 schools in 5a?? does not make sense to me??


The UIL rule : --NO moving up --unless EXTREME travel problems ( El Paso ) --or in a metro ISD with AT least 8 schools --then that ISD can elect to have all their schools in same district ( Dallas Carter )

[abilenefan]

I think it is possible that Abilene Cooper could go 4A this time if the 4A-5A cutoff is raised at all.

The board is in the process of looking into adjusting the boundaries so both schools will be on the edge of 5A. I don't see them getting it done prior to school starting.

Does anyone know what enrollment numbers are used? The beginning of the year or mid semester? I think its mid semester which could be really close for Cooper.

[TexasHSFootball]

I think it is possible that Abilene Cooper could go 4A this time if the 4A-5A cutoff is raised at all.

The board is in the process of looking into adjusting the boundaries so both schools will be on the edge of 5A. I don't see them getting it done prior to school starting.

Does anyone know what enrollment numbers are used? The beginning of the year or mid semester? I think its mid semester which could be really close for Cooper.
An unannounced date in October i think.

[twhfan#1]

An unannounced date in October i think.

Another thing to keep in mind -- UIL does NOT use enrollment numbers --they use AVERAGE DAILY ATTENDANCE --which can be lower than enrollment --also why sometimes the UIL has "fraction of students " --as in 1494.5 ! ! ! --any time you use an average you can get a fraction. I think ADA is taken for first week in October for the next 2 yr alignment in Feb of following year --that is why the 2nd yr can be so different than first yr of alignment . However ADA is used each yr to determine Division I / II for playoffs.

UIL uses ADA because it should be the most accurate --this is the number that schools report to state for funding. If number reported is too low , school does not get all funding allowed --if it is too high -- schools are guilty of fraud ( supt & principals dont want to risk that ! ! )

[jtk1519]

Unless there is a change between now and October, Abilene Cooper doesnt have 5A numbers. Our enrollment in May was just shy of 1900. If the UIL decided to raise the 5A cutoff, both Abilene school may be under the line. Abilene High had just over 2000 students in May. I tend to think the UIL will keep us in 5A even if we dont have the numbers, but I wouldnt mind a drop to 4A either. We would probably join a district with Brownwood, Stephenville and Abilene Wylie which would be awesome.

[pack0808]

still does not clear the confusion for me. i mean that is some wacky stuff!! i am not even going to bother trying to comprehend it because i do not know if it is possible. here is a few things i have heard so far, some can opt up while some can opt down and some cant opt at all, sometimes it depends on the numbers and sometimes not, sometimes they can stay because of travel concerns sometimes they cannot, sometimes they can stay if there is enough teams in their district and sometimes not, they do not count the actual enrollment it is just an average, they do not count the enrollment at the beginning of the year and etc etc etc. :confused: :confused: leave it to the state or government to make the rules so confusing that even they cannot understand it. i will just watch them continue putting teams wherever and i will not bother trying to understand why?? :)

[twhfan#1]

still does not clear the confusion for me. i mean that is some wacky stuff!! i am not even going to bother trying to comprehend it because i do not know if it is possible. here is a few things i have heard so far, some can opt up while some can opt down and some cant opt at all, sometimes it depends on the numbers and sometimes not, sometimes they can stay because of travel concerns sometimes they cannot, sometimes they can stay if there is enough teams in their district and sometimes not, they do not count the actual enrollment it is just an average, they do not count the enrollment at the beginning of the year and etc etc etc. :confused: :confused: leave to the state or government to make the rules so confusing that they cannot understand it. i will just watch them continue putting teams wherever and i will not bother trying to understand why?? :)

you got it right ! ! ! -- EXCEPT for one item ( lol ) ---NOBODY can opt down

[dragonsdaddy]

except seemingly the fighting scotties.

[XSVRanger]

SV having a new school will drop them and Comal ISD probably wants all their schools in the same 4A district, anyway.

The odds of SV going down to 4A are less than one might think. The new lake school opens in the fall of '06, and the next re-alignment won't be until the spring of '08. By that time, at the rate at which SV is growing it'll probably have enough students to stay in class 5A. Keep in mind that when the new school opens it'll only take freshman, and probably not even half of the freshman class at SV.

[BandidoNB]

You have to keep in mind also that the Comal ISD is not going to turn in a 2100 estimated enrollment figure for next year if they know Smithson Valley isnt going to have that number in the fall of 2006. If im not mistaken, a school can turn in an estimated enrollment number for the next realignment in anticipation of the new school. Similarly, the new Comal ISD high school needs to be classified in a classification when it open in 2006, so they have to draw an estimated number from SOMEWHERE and wont count the same students that currently go to SV two times (but will be attending the new HS). I remember when San Antonio O'Connor opened in 1998, the opening of the new school fell before the realignment was announced, yet the UIL classified them as 5A in anticipation of the school being open when the next school year was going to start. Im sure students werent counted twice in that instance also (they had to have reduced number from surrounding Northside ISD school).
I fully expect Smithson Valley to be in the 4A Hill Country district next year, because even if the new high school opens with only about 300 total students, that would still drop their numbers to about 1800, which is more than 100 below the current 5A cutoff line. Where did you hear about the new high school only having freshman next year? That really makes no sense since the core capacity of the new school will be 2000, and SV is an overcrowded school. Isnt the reason for creating the new school in the first place to alleviate overcrowding?

[XSVRanger]

You have to keep in mind also that the Comal ISD is not going to turn in a 2100 estimated enrollment figure for next year if they know Smithson Valley isnt going to have that number in the fall of 2006. If im not mistaken, a school can turn in an estimated enrollment number for the next realignment in anticipation of the new school. Similarly, the new Comal ISD high school needs to be classified in a classification when it open in 2006, so they have to draw an estimated number from SOMEWHERE and wont count the same students that currently go to SV two times (but will be attending the new HS). I remember when San Antonio O'Connor opened in 1998, the opening of the new school fell before the realignment was announced, yet the UIL classified them as 5A in anticipation of the school being open when the next school year was going to start. Im sure students werent counted twice in that instance also (they had to have reduced number from surrounding Northside ISD school).
I fully expect Smithson Valley to be in the 4A Hill Country district next year, because even if the new high school opens with only about 300 total students, that would still drop their numbers to about 1800, which is more than 100 below the current 5A cutoff line. Where did you hear about the new high school only having freshman next year? That really makes no sense since the core capacity of the new school will be 2000, and SV is an overcrowded school. Isnt the reason for creating the new school in the first place to alleviate overcrowding?

A while back on this forum I read that the "grandfather" clause would be in effect. At the moment SV has around 2300 (Maybe more, maybe less) students and adds about 100 new faces every year. In which case, if the new school was projected at 300 students, SV would stay 5A. We'll have to wait and see.

[BandidoNB]

I remember reading in the New Braunfels Herald newspaper that the initial enrollment for the new school when it opened in 2006 would be about 700-800 students. My 300 student estimate was just a very (VERY, VERY) conservative estimate on the new schools enrollment, based on what you had said (although Im halfway skeptical of it); it will be interesting to see what finally happens.

[BIGrNtx12]

If Sv does indeed drop to 4A, do you think Coach Hill will move on to BIGGER and better things?

[lonny23]

A while back on this forum I read that the "grandfather" clause would be in effect. At the moment SV has around 2300 (Maybe more, maybe less) students and adds about 100 new faces every year. In which case, if the new school was projected at 300 students, SV would stay 5A. We'll have to wait and see.
Do bodies come with those extra 100 faces? :p You never know because the eccentric millionaire in Amarillo, Stanley Marsh, has a statue with 2 sets of legs, but no trunks (chest, arms, and head). He even put part of Percy Shelley's poem on the statue to pretend like Shelley was traveling across Texas, saw the legs, and wrote a poem. This is the same guy that has the Cadillac Ranch west of town and used to put up signs all across town that were completely meaningless.

Somebody else has a Bug Ranch east of Amarillo. Zach Thomas' dad has the big cross in Groom and I ate at a restaurant in Groom where the menu has no prices and you pay what you think the meal is worth.