Confederate Flag

[Reaganrattler07]

I was wondering.....what do people feel when they see a Confederate flag?

[Miss Kitty]

I was wondering.....what do people feel when they see a Confederate flag?

Which Confederate Flag are you speaking of? It really doesn't matter to me. I see pride and herritage. Of coures I don't support any of those idiotic groups that have adopted the flag for their own agendas. That I HATE!

[thestud]

the confederate flag symbolizes heritage and southern pride. those who say it symbolizes racism are ridiculous. the black panther was a symbol for the black panthers in the 60's, and the black panther is also the mascot for odessa permian. it's all in what you make use of it by.

[yankee]

I was wondering.....what do people feel when they see a Confederate flag?
id rather see OUR nations flag. its one thing to represent a sports team, but to put a logo on like that, i just dont find that right. but what makes our country so great is the fact that be can but rebel flags on the back of pickups.

[CyFallsMom]

Although some see it as a symbol of hate and racism, I do not. My ancestors fought for the Confederacy just like they fought the American and Texas Revolutions (I come from a long line of fighters I guess:) ) What that flag symbolizes are my ancestors who died for that flag and died for the confederacy...I have written proof of it in our published family book and many who wave the flag or hang them in the back of their pickups do not - they sometimes don't get it...I would never demean any flag by hanging it in a truck. I am just as proud of the U.S. and Texas flags and it's a shame that, if I say anything positive about the Confederacy or it's symbols, people might think I am a racist (I most certainly am NOT one)...it's just about family pride to me and I have just as much right to be proud as any other person.

Oh, I am also proud of that Golden Eagle flag waving after touchdowns:) Had to lighten up the moment a bit - I was getting too serious!!

[slorch]

If you want a momento of southern Pride, just wear a coonskin cap or put silhouette of a peach tree on your rear window..

The stars and bars stand for bondage, stubbornness, and ignorance. I find it reprehensible that people still believe it was "acceptable" to own other human beings.
I love Texas and am very proud, but I am a Christian first. My interpretation of Jesus' teachings is one of loving all men regardless of their skin, nationality, ect. The South for all of its religous traditions, turned its back on the most fundamental of Christian beliefs.

That is why I cannot support the entity that was the Confederacy.

[CKE]

i put i really dont mind because..........................well, i really dont mind

[bubbacoach]

It is a piece of our history. What it did stand for is in the past. Now it is just a piece of fabric with pretty colors.:rolleyes:

[SVite]

I know what it should stand for,but about 80% of the people sporting it,use it for a different reason.It is a symbol that has become a white ,black thing.I mean come on,the south was fighting to KEEP slavery.It`s a bondage,white revenge symbol!It was also a symbol of a nation at war,our beloved USA!I really dont think their is any place for it in our nation.We are ONE nation,under God.Not the South,and the North under God!

I realize that if you lived in the South you were sucked into the battle,no matter what you believed,you had to fight for survival.And thats part of what it should stand for.But,the real reason was all about slavery,the battles "heading".We have it so easy today,and it`s because of the North,and South standing side by side fighting for freedom for all skin colors,and beliefs.The most powerful, youngest,and richest nation ever on the face of this earth!!!!Thats favor from God!I thank our forfathers for founding this nation on the word of God,by the wording in our constitution.

Just an opinion!;)

[ktCarl]

I don't see the Confederate flag as a symbol of hatred. It was meant as a symbol of the Confederate States of America. If some white racist hate group wants to use it as their symbol then fine but it's not what that flag represents. Like it or not it's a matter of U.S.A. history. If those that want it eliminated for 'racist' reasons because they think it represents slavery then the Ol' Stars and Stripes will eventually come under scrutiny because slavery was begun under the Stars and Stripes.

[ktfiend]

Didn't we have this history lesson about six months ago on this board? This is a topic that will always be controversial no matter who explains it and how well. Personally, like CyFallsMom, I had family members fighting under that flag so the representation to me is family pride. I am as proud of the Confederate Flag as I am of the Texas Flag, and the American Flag!

So, to those that honor the American Flag, but dismiss the Confederate Flag as racisit, I have a question....

Should you disagree with what has been happening in Iraq, will you also dismiss the American Flag as being a Flag of murderers? Aren't these very similar situations?

[SVite]

I`m not sure about what you mean "a flag of murders"!Because maybe if you do,then you dont know about the "price of freedom"!We could always be like the nation of no back bone,like when Jimmy Carter in the late 70`s let americans,from our embassy be held prisoner for over a year,when there was no war what so ever going on!I wonder if you were born in Iraq,if you would like some freedom from a dictatorship?Hey,but those americans that dont like this USA for what we do,then i guess you could always pack up and move to France,but,if they fall into parrel,I`m sure we`ll be there to help out,like we do for every nation on the face of the earth! O` and dont forget about Hitler!I`m sure sadam was`nt anything like that wonderful man!

Again,just my opinion,and americans can voice their opinion,because of freedom,that was fought for.....;)

[ktfiend]

I may have not said that correctly. What I was trying to say is, if the Confederate flag symbolizes racism and oppression against one particular group of people, do the people with this view also see the American Flag the same way? We are currently fighting against terrorism under the American Flag, but at the same time, we are oppressing and murdering a particular group of people..... Aren't these similar? Why is it ok to proudly fly one flag and not the other?

Don't get me wrong, I am not opposed to the actions going on in Iraq, and I have a son graduating this month from Marine boot camp. I proudly support and respect all three of the previously discussed flags.

[Reaganrattler07]

id rather see OUR nations flag. its one thing to represent a sports team, but to put a logo on like that, i just dont find that right. but what makes our country so great is the fact that be can but rebel flags on the back of pickups.

I saw this one a Redskins board and I thought it'd make an interesting thread. You see COnfederate flags quite often and I was wondering what people thought and felt when they saw it.

[stevefoxsc]

im half african and im not really that offended by it, its just how you use it. now if your gona stand in my yard wave it at me and say DIE KNEEGROW! Yea 5 secs to get off my property or ima use you as target practice.

[Red Raiders]

Whenever I see Confederate Flag, it reminds me of country people use or hunters but sometime it reminds me that it can be a bad flag for black people. I rather use American Flag.

[slorch]

Didn't we have this history lesson about six months ago on this board? This is a topic that will always be controversial no matter who explains it and how well. Personally, like CyFallsMom, I had family members fighting under that flag so the representation to me is family pride. I am as proud of the Confederate Flag as I am of the Texas Flag, and the American Flag!

So, to those that honor the American Flag, but dismiss the Confederate Flag as racisit, I have a question....

Should you disagree with what has been happening in Iraq, will you also dismiss the American Flag as being a Flag of murderers? Aren't these very similar situations?
not even remotely close... and in the way you ask, I would encourage you to study the Confederacy and compare it to the current position our country has in the world as the only superpower.
We wield our power very lightly. It is more often economic than military when we try to influence other entities. I do believe we have understimated the beliefs and culture that preexisted in Iraq. Just as you can't take a guy who has been in prison for 40 years, and throw him on the street, and expect him to be successful, we cannot expect the Iraqis to cling to democracy after generations of dictatorship.

While our country currently has some of what I would describe as less than ideal motives, I will also say that I do love my country and the colors that represent it. The American flag (IMO) stands for liberty and the opportunity to seek one's fortune within the respect for others' freedom.

I realize the perception of our country is mixed, I also don't see millions of people risking their lives to leave this "terrible place" as the media and Europe would have you to believe, but to the contrary, they die trying to get in. People, especially the oppressed, were not clamoring to get into the Confederate states.

My great grandfather was a Texas Ranger(not as tough as Chuck Norris) and I am a Marine. I have skin in the game.

The thread's author asked what we saw in the Confederate flag and I wrote about my impressions. To answer your question, No, I do not see the similarities in the Confederacy's flag and what it represents(IMO) and Old Glory.

[Reaganrattler07]

im half african and im not really that offended by it, its just how you use it. now if your gona stand in my yard wave it at me and say DIE KNEEGROW! Yea 5 secs to get off my property or ima use you as target practice.

Lol, I can understand that....but that applies to almost everything a person may oppose.

[slorch]

im half african and im not really that offended by it, its just how you use it. now if your gona stand in my yard wave it at me and say DIE KNEEGROW! Yea 5 secs to get off my property or ima use you as target practice.
LMAO!!! 5 seconds is VERY generous!

[ktfiend]

im half african and im not really that offended by it, its just how you use it. now if your gona stand in my yard wave it at me and say DIE KNEEGROW! Yea 5 secs to get off my property or ima use you as target practice.

I agree, this is not a good idea! And slorch is right, 5 seconds is VERY generous! :)

[SVite]

I may have not said that correctly. What I was trying to say is, if the Confederate flag symbolizes racism and oppression against one particular group of people, do the people with this view also see the American Flag the same way? We are currently fighting against terrorism under the American Flag, but at the same time, we are oppressing and murdering a particular group of people..... Aren't these similar? Why is it ok to proudly fly one flag and not the other?

Don't get me wrong, I am not opposed to the actions going on in Iraq, and I have a son graduating this month from Marine boot camp. I proudly support and respect all three of the previously discussed flags.

I understand...I was`nt speaking directly to you,but in general to whoever Joe american.;)

[slorch]

I may have not said that correctly. What I was trying to say is, if the Confederate flag symbolizes racism and oppression against one particular group of people, do the people with this view also see the American Flag the same way? We are currently fighting against terrorism under the American Flag, but at the same time, we are oppressing and murdering a particular group of people..... Aren't these similar? Why is it ok to proudly fly one flag and not the other?

Don't get me wrong, I am not opposed to the actions going on in Iraq, and I have a son graduating this month from Marine boot camp. I proudly support and respect all three of the previously discussed flags.
The term " murder" wouldn't aply to IED's would it? what about car bombs? Our military acts responsibly, and they are held accountable for such actions.
The media love to throw these terms around for effect. Don't fall into the trap. Our military does not murder people, especially because of their ethnicity.

[stevefoxsc]

i think alot of people are very close minded about it and dont really understand it, i had neighbors that had one on there car, i'll admit not knowing them i thought they were racist. They were the nicest people you could ever know, as for it a few years ago on mtv they had a special during the whole fight hate and discrimination move, where a guy in some town had the flag on his truck, and some african american guy from chicago found this offended and shot him in the back at a gas station. The issue came when the school had the conferderate flag as the schools symbols and yes many africans where offended by it, it went both ways pride and hate beeing that the town was in Deep back water bama.

[ktfiend]

The term " murder" wouldn't aply to IED's would it? what about car bombs? Our military acts responsibly, and they are held accountable for such actions.
The media love to throw these terms around for effect. Don't fall into the trap. Our military does not murder people, especially because of their ethnicity.

I apparently suck at trying to make a point. I agree with what you are saying, I was just trying to make a sarcastic remark. I support our military 100% and I know that they are doing what needs to be done so that we have the freedom to sit here and debate on a football message board.

Again, it was sarcasm......

[SVite]

As always,a few bad apples ruin it for the good apples!

[slorch]

As always,a few bad apples ruin it for the good apples!
what do you mean? soldiers or posters?

[LoneStarProud]

I am A southern boy born and bred. If I'm not mistaken the Confederate flag symbolizes the Confederate agenda which was in part a very controversial racial issue. Although the race thing was just a "part" of that agenda, it still symbolizes the ideals and issues that were defeated by Union forces. I am very proud of my heritage but cannot imagine what America would be like
if the Confederacy was successful. To me there is no reason to display the flag unless you are trying to make a statement. It is certainly anyones right to make a statement but I think that most folks view the display as threatening IMHO.

[stevefoxsc]

I am A southern boy born and bred. If I'm not mistaken the Confederate flag symbolizes the Confederate agenda which was in part a very controversial racial issue. Although the race thing was just a "part" of that agenda, it still symbolizes the ideals and issues that were defeated by Union forces. I am very proud of my heritage but cannot imagine what America would be like[/B]
if the Confederacy was successful. To me there is no reason to display the flag unless you are trying to make a statement. It is certainly anyones right to make a statement but I think that most folks view the display as threatening IMHO.

Id be pickin cotton, Vince young would have never played at UT, horns would not be the 05 champs we would have struggled durning WW1-2 rap would not have existed, canada and mexico would have had better olympic team's and that can sum up some of it from a guestimation assuming it would still be the same now as it was then.

[Slim-Rob]

Id be pickin cotton, Vince young would have never played at UT, horns would not be the 05 champs we would have struggled durning WW1-2 rap would not have existed, canada and mexico would have had better olympic team's and that can sum up some of it from a guestimation assuming it would still be the same now as it was then.

Even if the south had won, slavery would still have been abolished sooner or later. ALSO, the Confederate States of America would not have lasted long with the belief of stronger states rights, which is proven by the failure of the Articles of Confederation.

I don't believe the Confederate Flag sympolizes racism at all, but because some people do I will never display it.

[ktCarl]

Id be pickin cotton, Vince young would have never played at UT, horns would not be the 05 champs we would have struggled durning WW1-2 rap would not have existed, canada and mexico would have had better olympic team's and that can sum up some of it from a guestimation assuming it would still be the same now as it was then.

But, cotton picking was on the way out around the time of the Civil War thanks to Eli Whitney(?), the Horns were National champs in the late 60's early 70's before Vince Young was born, we struggled anyway in WWI & II, agree totally with Rap statement(in fact, we wouldn't have R&B, Blues and Rock n Roll), we would still kick Canada and Mexico's butts in Olympics (it's the Europeans that would trounce us) and there's no way it would be now like it was then.

Come to think of it, I think we're both wrong on the music.

[GoOwls]

But, cotton picking was on the way out around the time of the Civil War thanks to Eli Whitney(?), the Horns were National champs in the late 60's early 70's before Vince Young was born, we struggled anyway in WWI & II, agree totally with Rap statement(in fact, we wouldn't have R&B, Blues and Rock n Roll), we would still kick Canada and Mexico's butts in Olympics (it's the Europeans that would trounce us) and there's no way it would be now like it was then.

Come to think of it, I think we're both wrong on the music.

Not meaning to be too technical, but Eli Whitney invented the cotton gin, he didn't invent a cotton picker. Cotton was picked by hand with regularity through the 60's and well into the late 70's here in Texas. I personally picked some cotton in the 60's as a child (very hard work), and I know of a few farmers who couldn't afford a mechanical cotton picker who had their cotton hand picked until at least 1979 or 1980. The picking was mostly done by black families who traveled around north Texas looking for these jobs and they had their own trucks and cotton wagons. It was a big family effort. I know it went on until about 1980, but there may be isolated farmers to this day that live out in the boonies that stil have their cotton hand picked.....it wouldn't surprise me.

[ktCarl]

Not meaning to be too technical, but Eli Whitney invented the cotton gin, he didn't invent a cotton picker. Cotton was picked by hand with regularity through the 60's and well into the late 70's here in Texas. I personally picked some cotton in the 60's as a child (very hard work), and I know of a few farmers who couldn't afford a mechanical cotton picker who had their cotton hand picked until at least 1979 or 1980. The picking was mostly done by black families who traveled around north Texas looking for these jobs and they had their own trucks and cotton wagons. It was a big family effort. I know it went on until about 1980, but there may be isolated farmers to this day that live out in the boonies that stil have their cotton hand picked.....it wouldn't surprise me.

Why would they want to do that work after the Civil War? Was it because that was all they knew and had families all doing the same thing? Were they paid more after the Civil War? How many black families were able to have their own cotton farms after the war? I've even heard of some white folks picking cotton. A lot of this info wasn't apparently taught in my history classes.

[drgnbkr]

The Confederate Flag does'nt bother me. Robert E Lee did'nt believe in slavery, but he did believe in States Rights and fought an incredible fight for those rights. If the South had won, I believe the country would still have moved away from slavery and been the country it is today. As others have said, the Confederate flag is used by some in ways that are just wrong. I think to try & twist the passions of 150 years ago by using todays logic is odd.

[SVite]

what do you mean? soldiers or posters?

people ,or groups that have used this flag as their symbol.like the KKK,rednecks that hate afro americans etc.If their was`nt a race card about this flag,then we would`nt be discussing it in this manner.

[SVite]

Even if the south had won, slavery would still have been abolished sooner or later. ALSO, the Confederate States of America would not have lasted long with the belief of stronger states rights, which is proven by the failure of the Articles of Confederation.

I don't believe the Confederate Flag sympolizes racism at all, but because some people do I will never display it.

Also the Union was the Army back then.The Rebels had no chance!The Union was organized,and the Rebels were thrown together using whatever guns,and clothing etc.

[SVite]

Why would they want to do that work after the Civil War? Was it because that was all they knew and had families all doing the same thing? Were they paid more after the Civil War? How many black families were able to have their own cotton farms after the war? I've even heard of some white folks picking cotton. A lot of this info wasn't apparently taught in my history classes.

Well machinery is expensive.And these families had to survive,you do what you have to do sometimes to eat.And your gonna make more at what you know,than starting something else after 40 years of age.Their were some families that did share croping.Thats when all the families throw their monies into a hat,and lease,or buy land,buy cotton seeds,and all pick the cotton,and split the profits.

[dada]

people ,or groups that have used this flag as their symbol.like the KKK,rednecks that hate afro americans etc.If their was`nt a race card about this flag,then we would`nt be discussing it in this manner.
Dosent bother me.......unless it's personel...like the guy said...if they were in my yard yelling N**** go home, then it would be a problem. I also understand that its some people heratige(sp)so I have to respect that....you dont have to agree with it, but you respect that. My mom is Muslim....some muslims have a bad rep....she never forced it on me, but I learned alot about it....I agree with some of it....well I agree with MOST of it...but people here in Houston like Quannell X.(those in Houston know who HE is) tends to bring more negativity to Black muslims than anything...and being he's always finds a way to get himself in front of a camera...people tend to think he is the spokesman for muslims and that he represents what all black muslims are about.

When I was in the army there were a few guys who used the Confederate flag the wrong way....so I wore a shirt with the conferderate flag on it.....took all their ammo away....should have seen the looks on their faces:D

And I've been called the N word a few times...instead of going ballistic I would just reply "Till I die"

[beachbum0x6]

I am A southern boy born and bred. If I'm not mistaken the Confederate flag symbolizes the Confederate agenda which was in part a very controversial racial issue. Although the race thing was just a "part" of that agenda, it still symbolizes the ideals and issues that were defeated by Union forces. I am very proud of my heritage but cannot imagine what America would be like
if the Confederacy was successful. To me there is no reason to display the flag unless you are trying to make a statement. It is certainly anyones right to make a statement but I think that most folks view the display as threatening IMHO.



The Confeferate Flag didn't just symbolize a racial issue, that was just a small part of it all. The whole idea behind the confederacy was to give more power to the states and not to the national goverment beacuse the confederacy was afraid of having a one leader to rule for fear of having a dictatorship or monarchy start. If anyone was to read the the history behind it all, you would find so much more than hate. The flag was turned into a hate symbol when other organizations were to lazy to create their own symbol.

[CyFallsMom]

When I was in the army there were a few guys who used the Confederate flag the wrong way....so I wore a shirt with the conferderate flag on it.....took all their ammo away....should have seen the looks on their faces

And I've been called the N word a few times...instead of going ballistic I would just reply "Till I die"

Good for you!! Those people were using the flag for the wrong reason. I just can't stand it! And the N word - I hate that word with a passion and that is a great comeback on your part. Those who use it are ignorant and unfeeling.

I grew up in Houston and, on the other side of a small creek that ran near our house were 2 clapboard houses and there were a couple of black families who lived in those houses. We played and played with their kids and saw nothing different about them but they couldn't go to our school - we were told they went to private school so we just forgot about it and continued to hang out with them. What I didn't realize was that they were not allowed in our schools. We moved a few blocks away and didn't see them much anymore but later on they were finally allowed to go to school with us and it was a wonderful thing. They were great kids and they were very successful in high school and went on to even better things later on. They were also very popular. One girl tried out for cheerleader and we voted her in almost unanimously - a lot of parents were having a fit but not mine. They thought she was the best one out there. It makes me appreciate all sorts of people even more - and a heritage doesn't get much more southern/Texan than mine.

[Miss Kitty]

I just have to throw this out there...we are talking about the Battle Flag only, right?

[dada]

Good for you!! Those people were using the flag for the wrong reason. I just can't stand it! And the N word - I hate that word with a passion and that is a great comeback on your part. Those who use it are ignorant and unfeeling.

I grew up in Houston and, on the other side of a small creek that ran near our house were 2 clapboard houses and there were a couple of black families who lived in those houses. We played and played with their kids and saw nothing different about them but they couldn't go to our school - we were told they went to private school so we just forgot about it and continued to hang out with them. What I didn't realize was that they were not allowed in our schools. We moved a few blocks away and didn't see them much anymore but later on they were finally allowed to go to school with us and it was a wonderful thing. They were great kids and they were very successful in high school and went on to even better things later on. They were also very popular. One girl tried out for cheerleader and we voted her in almost unanimously - a lot of parents were having a fit but not mine. They thought she was the best one out there. It makes me appreciate all sorts of people even more - and a heritage doesn't get much more southern/Texan than mine.
Hatred is something that has to be TAUGHT. Kids are kids and will play with other kids. That's why my mom never forced Islam on me...she said it was my life, my choice.

[ktCarl]

And I've been called the N word a few times...instead of going ballistic I would just reply "Till I die"

Ha Ha!! Great sense of humor! Great response.

As far as the Confederate Flag goes......I always liked it's striking appearence. Never did associate it with hatred. It was also never taught to be a symbol of hatred in my schools. Just one of the six flags over Texas.

[dada]

And I've been called the N word a few times...instead of going ballistic I would just reply "Till I die"

Ha Ha!! Great sense of humor! Great response.

As far as the Confederate Flag goes......I always liked it's striking appearence. Never did associate it with hatred. It was also never taught to be a symbol of hatred in my schools. Just one of the six flags over Texas.
You have to have a sense of humor these days.

Took me a while to find out the contoversy surronding the flag....growing up I always looked at it as the Flag Bo and luke duke had on top of their car.

[Miss Kitty]

A little flag history.

The CSA had several flags the flew over it. I can think of 7 major ones but the different regiments from different states and such had their own.

There is the Bonnie Blue which was the first flag that flew over the CSA but was not adopted by the government as an official National Flag.

Then there were 3 actual National Flags starting with "Stars and Bars", then "Stainless Banner" and third, "Final Edition". These were the actual National Flags.

The Battle Flag which is also know as the "Southern Cross" was not a National Flag of the CSA. But this is the flag of concern because it is the most recognized.

There are several more. But when talking about herritage, there is more to the CSA flags than just that one.

[beachbum0x6]

A little flag history.

The CSA had several flags the flew over it. I can think of 7 major ones but the different regiments from different states and such had their own.

There is the Bonnie Blue which was the first flag that flew over the CSA but was not adopted by the government as an official National Flag.

Then there were 3 actual National Flags starting with "Stars and Bars", then "Stainless Banner" and third, "Final Edition". These were the actual National Flags.

The Battle Flag which is also know as the "Southern Cross" was not a National Flag of the CSA. But this is the flag of concern because it is the most recognized.

There are several more. But when talking about herritage, there is more to the CSA flags than just that one.


Thank you for actually posting a lil history, I like it when someone post the truth to end an argument.

[Miss Kitty]

Thank you for actually posting a lil history, I like it when someone post the truth to end an argument.

Well I don't know if it will end an argument. Just perhaps give a little clarification. Knowledge is power. And too many people do not know the facts about things before they start jumping on them. I am guilty of it too but not where this subject is concerned. I try to learn more about things now before I start to form an opinion.

[SVite]

A little flag history.

The CSA had several flags the flew over it. I can think of 7 major ones but the different regiments from different states and such had their own.

There is the Bonnie Blue which was the first flag that flew over the CSA but was not adopted by the government as an official National Flag.

Then there were 3 actual National Flags starting with "Stars and Bars", then "Stainless Banner" and third, "Final Edition". These were the actual National Flags.

The Battle Flag which is also know as the "Southern Cross" was not a National Flag of the CSA. But this is the flag of concern because it is the most recognized.

There are several more. But when talking about herritage, there is more to the CSA flags than just that one.

hmmm....did`nt know that:)

[slorch]

Why would they want to do that work after the Civil War? Was it because that was all they knew and had families all doing the same thing? Were they paid more after the Civil War? How many black families were able to have their own cotton farms after the war? I've even heard of some white folks picking cotton. A lot of this info wasn't apparently taught in my history classes.
my g'ma who is 93 and white, talks all the time about picking cotton until her mid 30's in West Texas. She is one of the hardest working people I know and I aspire to have the same work ethic she had, and she says picking cotton by hand was the hardest work she has done in her life.
she actually has a grudge against the blacks who picked cotton for less money, and put them out of a job. I tell her she should be thankful that God provided her with passage from such a burden. She should also admire people who were also willing to work that hard to provide for their families.

We have some very spirited racial discussions, but it ALWAYS comes down to asking yourself if Jesus would treat a person the way you are treating them.

It's all about our perception, and our perspective.