View Full Version : Dave Campbell Football classic lineup annouced
RATTLERS316
03-03-2006, 11:58 AM
# San Antonio Madison and Seguin at 7:30 p.m. on Thursday, Aug. 31;
# Pflugerville Hendrickson and New Braunfels Canyon at 7:30 p.m. on Friday, Sept. 1;
# The Woodlands and Smithson Valley at Noon on Saturday, Sept. 2;
# Austin Lake Travis and Texas City at 3:45 p.m. on Saturday, Sept. 2; and
# McAllen Memorial and Victoria Memorial in the finale at 7:30 p.m. on Saturday, Sept. 2.
supercentex
03-03-2006, 12:39 PM
# San Antonio Madison and Seguin at 7:30 p.m. on Thursday, Aug. 31;
# Pflugerville Hendrickson and New Braunfels Canyon at 7:30 p.m. on Friday, Sept. 1;
# The Woodlands and Smithson Valley at Noon on Saturday, Sept. 2;
# Austin Lake Travis and Texas City at 3:45 p.m. on Saturday, Sept. 2; and
# McAllen Memorial and Victoria Memorial in the finale at 7:30 p.m. on Saturday, Sept. 2.
They should invite at least one out-of-state team each year to play.
SeguinMatadors
03-03-2006, 12:51 PM
# San Antonio Madison and Seguin at 7:30 p.m. on Thursday, Aug. 31;
# Pflugerville Hendrickson and New Braunfels Canyon at 7:30 p.m. on Friday, Sept. 1;
# The Woodlands and Smithson Valley at Noon on Saturday, Sept. 2;
# Austin Lake Travis and Texas City at 3:45 p.m. on Saturday, Sept. 2; and
# McAllen Memorial and Victoria Memorial in the finale at 7:30 p.m. on Saturday, Sept. 2.
Oh helll yeah!
bubbacoach
03-03-2006, 01:06 PM
# San Antonio Madison and Seguin at 7:30 p.m. on Thursday, Aug. 31;
# Pflugerville Hendrickson and New Braunfels Canyon at 7:30 p.m. on Friday, Sept. 1;
# The Woodlands and Smithson Valley at Noon on Saturday, Sept. 2;
# Austin Lake Travis and Texas City at 3:45 p.m. on Saturday, Sept. 2; and
# McAllen Memorial and Victoria Memorial in the finale at 7:30 p.m. on Saturday, Sept. 2.
Picks:
Madison over Seguin
Canyon over Hendrickson
SV over Woodchoppers
Texas City over Lake Travis
Victoria over Mcallen
SeguinMatadors
03-03-2006, 01:12 PM
Picks:
Madison over Seguin
Canyon over Hendrickson
SV over Woodchoppers
Texas City over Lake Travis
Victoria over Mcallen
:mad: Not happening.
Seguin
Canyon
SV
Lake Travis
Victoria..
Mean Green Machine
03-03-2006, 02:55 PM
The Woodlands is going roll SV Sept 2. TWHS is working hard during this off season and is going have their presents felt come Labor Day!
bubbacoach
03-03-2006, 03:12 PM
The Woodlands is going roll SV Sept 2. TWHS is working hard during this off season and is going have their presents felt come Labor Day!
Yea, you are probably right. SV is probably taking it easy. Sitting in the shade drinking ice tea. That is what makes them good. (not working hard) Are you sure you mean presents, because the only "presents" TWHS will be delivering is the first win of the season for Smithson Valley.:rolleyes:
The Woodlands is going roll SV Sept 2. TWHS is working hard during this off season and is going have their presents felt come Labor Day!
Presents=packages
Dudes shouldnt feel other dudes presents.
DrEdward
03-03-2006, 03:25 PM
They should invite at least one out-of-state team each year to play.
No; this is about Texas high school football. :D We can play out of state folks during non-district.
Dawg Fan
03-03-2006, 04:55 PM
Presents=packages
Dudes shouldnt feel other dudes presents.
ROTFLMAO!!!!
ClarkDT07
03-03-2006, 05:08 PM
# San Antonio Madison and Seguin at 7:30 p.m. on Thursday, Aug. 31;
# Pflugerville Hendrickson and New Braunfels Canyon at 7:30 p.m. on Friday, Sept. 1;
# The Woodlands and Smithson Valley at Noon on Saturday, Sept. 2;
# Austin Lake Travis and Texas City at 3:45 p.m. on Saturday, Sept. 2; and
# McAllen Memorial and Victoria Memorial in the finale at 7:30 p.m. on Saturday, Sept. 2.
Madison, should not even been thought about playing in the Texas Football Classic! same with Victoria Memorial, a real game like Clark and Churchill in the Classic Gucci Bowl as was played in 1999 at the dome would have been a great game but not Madison!
Slim-Rob
03-03-2006, 05:14 PM
# San Antonio Madison and Seguin at 7:30 p.m. on Thursday, Aug. 31;
# Pflugerville Hendrickson and New Braunfels Canyon at 7:30 p.m. on Friday, Sept. 1;
# The Woodlands and Smithson Valley at Noon on Saturday, Sept. 2;
# Austin Lake Travis and Texas City at 3:45 p.m. on Saturday, Sept. 2; and
# McAllen Memorial and Victoria Memorial in the finale at 7:30 p.m. on Saturday, Sept. 2.
My Picks:
Madison
Canyon
Smithson Valley
IDK the next two, so Texas City and Vic. Memorial
Dawg Fan
03-03-2006, 05:34 PM
I would only be interested in the Woodlands - SV game.
Slim-Rob
03-03-2006, 05:36 PM
I would only be interested in the Woodlands - SV game.
I'm interested in the Madison-Seguin game, the SV game should be good...
Daniel Agnew
03-03-2006, 06:45 PM
It's a little better than last years debacle but I am more interested in the Woodlands & Smithson Valley going at it that will probably be the best game of that classic.
The Woodlands is going roll SV Sept 2. TWHS is working hard during this off season and is going have their presents felt come Labor Day!
lol i know other people have already hit on it but your really bad a the whole talking trash thing arn't you. and its good to here that the woodlands is working so hard you have me convinced that ya'll are going to take state :rolleyes:
South Texas
03-03-2006, 08:14 PM
Yea, you are probably right. SV is probably taking it easy. Sitting in the shade drinking ice tea. That is what makes them good. (not working hard) Are you sure you mean presents, because the only "presents" TWHS will be delivering is the first win of the season for Smithson Valley.:rolleyes:
Will that rock and trailer make the trip to the dome?
a&mconsoltiger
03-04-2006, 02:51 AM
The Woodlands is going roll SV Sept 2. TWHS is working hard during this off season and is going have their presents felt come Labor Day!
i'd be working out hard this offseason too if my team got blown out the 1st round of the playoffs
bubbacoach
03-04-2006, 07:39 AM
Will that rock and trailer make the trip to the dome?
No, it will be parked in front of your mom's house. LOL
bubbacoach
03-04-2006, 07:55 AM
Will that rock and trailer make the trip to the dome?
You must be making a presumption off my name. If we are doing that, South Texas must mean, well you might be smart enough to know what it means, but I doubt it. The only "trailer" I own is a 18 foot cattle "trailer". But I guess your attempt at being funny was okay, for a guy from South Texas.
Dawg Fan
03-04-2006, 08:44 AM
You must be making a presumption off my name. If we are doing that, South Texas must mean, well you might be smart enough to know what it means, but I doubt it. The only "trailer" I own is a 18 foot cattle "trailer". But I guess your attempt at being funny was okay, for a guy from South Texas.
man you are brutal.... Your killing me ROTFL!!!!!!!
PackAttack2005
03-04-2006, 09:19 AM
You talk about inviting a team from out-of-state to Dave's Classic?? What about a 4A or 5A team from East or Northeast Texas? Plenty of good teams over here without inviting some scrub from out-of-state to play.
Madison, should not even been thought about playing in the Texas Football Classic! same with Victoria Memorial, a real game like Clark and Churchill in the Classic Gucci Bowl as was played in 1999 at the dome would have been a great game but not Madison!
madison would stomp clark. idk about churchill yjey might give tem a run but clark...................face it w/o wilkerson clark is just not a contender in SA
bubbacoach
03-04-2006, 12:15 PM
madison would stomp clark. idk about churchill yjey might give tem a run but clark...................face it w/o wilkerson clark is just not a contender in SA
Clark went three rounds deep last year without Wilkerson.
Clark went three rounds deep last year without Wilkerson.
so was laredo united.....................
SFARocketGrad
03-04-2006, 12:27 PM
clark only went two rounds before they met 265
clark only went two rounds before they met 265
that is why i said a contender in SA
RGVBadBoy
03-04-2006, 01:01 PM
the ONLY reason McAllen Memoria was picked to play in the Classic next season is because of RB Bradly Stephens....he's their whole team....
Memorial went what, like 7-3 or something last season....but that RB had 2,600 yrds in 9 games....I dont think that TEAM deserverse to be there...but then again niether does Victoria...
I'll take Victoria in a HIGH SCORRING game....Bradly Stephens will DOMINATE...but the McAllen Defense was HORRIBLE last season and they'll be HORRIBLE again this season
BandidoNB
03-04-2006, 02:32 PM
....I dont think that TEAM deserverse to be there...but then again niether does Victoria...
Victoria Memorial looks bad to people because they lose games to Houston and SA area teams. However, I'll take them against most Valley teams, especially this one. Vic is not as bad as you think.
Victoria Memorial looks bad to people because they lose games to Houston and SA area teams. However, I'll take them against most Valley teams, especially this one. Vic is not as bad as you think.
I agree
RGVBadBoy
03-04-2006, 06:28 PM
i WISH LaJoya would have been picked to play Victoria....LaJoya would have been a MUCH BETTER choice....them or Harlingen...but NOT McAllen Memorial... i think they just want to get Stephens some more press
Gridiron Gopher
03-05-2006, 10:00 AM
# San Antonio Madison and Seguin at 7:30 p.m. on Thursday, Aug. 31;
# Pflugerville Hendrickson and New Braunfels Canyon at 7:30 p.m. on Friday, Sept. 1;
# The Woodlands and Smithson Valley at Noon on Saturday, Sept. 2;
# Austin Lake Travis and Texas City at 3:45 p.m. on Saturday, Sept. 2; and
# McAllen Memorial and Victoria Memorial in the finale at 7:30 p.m. on Saturday, Sept. 2.
Seguin will get a chance to show if they're ready for the big show.
TexasRed6x
03-05-2006, 11:05 AM
For the most part this has the making of a vey boring "Classic" with the exception of Woodland and SV. I would of rather had teams like SLC, Plano, Westfield, Katy, Lufkin, Longview, Tyler Lee. They just have to many teams from San Antonio that I could go see any given weekend. I feel this Classic will suffer badly for attendance.
RGVBadBoy
03-05-2006, 02:36 PM
# San Antonio Madison and Seguin at 7:30 p.m. on Thursday, Aug. 31;
# Pflugerville Hendrickson and New Braunfels Canyon at 7:30 p.m. on Friday, Sept. 1;
# The Woodlands and Smithson Valley at Noon on Saturday, Sept. 2;
# Austin Lake Travis and Texas City at 3:45 p.m. on Saturday, Sept. 2; and
# McAllen Memorial and Victoria Memorial in the finale at 7:30 p.m. on Saturday, Sept. 2.
Madison over Seguin by 21
Henrdickson over Canyon by 3
SmithsonValley over The Woodlands by 13
LakeTravis over Texas City by 6
Victoria over McAllen by 6
SeguinMatadors
03-05-2006, 03:32 PM
Madison over Seguin by 21
Henrdickson over Canyon by 3
SmithsonValley over The Woodlands by 13
LakeTravis over Texas City by 6
Victoria over McAllen by 6
lmao:rolleyes:
SeguinMatadors
03-05-2006, 03:33 PM
Seguin will get a chance to show if they're ready for the big show.
It should be a good game.
TexasRed6x
03-05-2006, 03:50 PM
Madison over Seguin by 21
Henrdickson over Canyon by 3
SmithsonValley over The Woodlands by 13
LakeTravis over Texas City by 6
Victoria over McAllen by 6
You are out of your mind dude. Canyon was 12-1 last season and You think that Hendrickson is going to beat the Cougars. What are you thinking? I think that Chase Wilke will have a huge game and I plan to be at that game to see Canyon win this game.
BandidoNB
03-05-2006, 06:37 PM
Hendrickson over Canyon? No way. Not only did Canyon make the State Quarterfinals last year, but Hendrickson was in the same 4A playoff bracket and lost in the first round. I think that NB Canyon's JV was undefeated last year also, so I know they have good guys coming up...
NB Canyon by 17
TexasRed6x
03-05-2006, 06:49 PM
Hendrickson over Canyon? No way. Not only did Canyon make the State Quarterfinals last year, but Hendrickson was in the same 4A playoff bracket and lost in the first round. I think that NB Canyon's JV was undefeated last year also, so I know they have good guys coming up...
NB Canyon by 17
I agree with you BandidoNB. Sure Canyon lost some key guys on defense last year like Darren Billiot but I think that they are going to have a solid group of guys that can make a difference and get us back where we were last year and maybe farther, but I don't know that is one of the big questions for us. Is Canyon going to be a team that can have a season like they had last year again this season.
SeguinMatadors
03-05-2006, 06:53 PM
You are out of your mind dude. Canyon was 12-1 last season and You think that Hendrickson is going to beat the Cougars. What are you thinking? I think that Chase Wilke will have a huge game and I plan to be at that game to see Canyon win this game.
wow! I missed that... that prediction is insane.... Chase Wilke and Canyon have a great season ahead of them... Canyon by 21.
TexasRed6x
03-05-2006, 07:02 PM
wow! I missed that... that prediction is insane.... Chase Wilke and Canyon have a great season ahead of them... Canyon by 21.
Yeah I think Canyon may be able to do what they did last season next season but we will just have to wait and see.
RGVBadBoy
03-05-2006, 11:58 PM
well, i wasnt really sure about what Canyon had comming back...i also mistook Hendrickson for Connally....my bad...
TexasRed6x
03-06-2006, 12:41 AM
well, i wasnt really sure about what Canyon had comming back...i also mistook Hendrickson for Connally....my bad...
So its New Braunfels Canyon vs. Pflugerville Connally on Sept 1st right?
RGVBadBoy
03-06-2006, 01:30 PM
So its New Braunfels Canyon vs. Pflugerville Connally on Sept 1st right?
No, its Hendrickson....but i was mistaking them for Connally...because they have been good in 4A the last couple of seasons....
I figured that if it WAS Connally that they would beat Canyon...
TexasRed6x
03-06-2006, 06:23 PM
Ok sorry. I think that Canyon will win that game anyway.
RedRage00
03-07-2006, 11:54 AM
Madison, should not even been thought about playing in the Texas Football Classic! same with Victoria Memorial, a real game like Clark and Churchill in the Classic Gucci Bowl as was played in 1999 at the dome would have been a great game but not Madison!
Madison has done more than Churchill or Clark!!
RedRage00
03-07-2006, 11:57 AM
Victoria Memorial looks bad to people because they lose games to Houston and SA area teams. However, I'll take them against most Valley teams, especially this one. Vic is not as bad as you think.
Exactly. We could easily pad our records by playing weak teams in non-district but we actually schedule teams with b@lls!
Vipers over McAllen Memorial
RedRage00
03-07-2006, 11:58 AM
I'll take Victoria in a HIGH SCORRING game....Bradly Stephens will DOMINATE...but the McAllen Defense was HORRIBLE last season and they'll be HORRIBLE again this season
I don't think he'll dominate, but we'll see. The Victoria defense is much better than any defense in the valley that he has faced.
RR
RGVBadBoy
03-07-2006, 02:30 PM
I don't think he'll dominate, but we'll see. The Victoria defense is much better than any defense in the valley that he has faced.
RR
we'll see;)
Plano Wildcat Fan
03-07-2006, 10:34 PM
Seems to me the the Dave Campbells Football classic isn't so classic. It pits local teams close to the Alamodome.
What Mr. Campbell should do is pit the 4A and 5A state champions which came from the Metroplex and have them play in Dallas where the real football is played:) No offense but Seguin has a long and proud tradition in the Texas fight for Independence but not in High School football.
You want a real classic that will drawer fans regardless of proximity of the schools. You get Plano, Katy, SLC, Judson, Carter, Yates, TJT & Perimian. You get 3 from Dallas, 2 from H Town, 1 from the Alamo City, West and East Texas. Go play in Austin every year in the first week of September aka Labor day weekend to kick things off.
Now that is a classic!!
RGVBadBoy
03-08-2006, 11:52 PM
the Classic really went down hill, i remember when Midland Lee, Austin Weslake, Humble, i think Lufkin amongst others use to play in it...its gone straight down..
this is the 2nd time an RGV team has played Donna beat Lubbock Monterray in 01' i think
Seems to me the the Dave Campbells Football classic isn't so classic. It pits local teams close to the Alamodome.
What Mr. Campbell should do is pit the 4A and 5A state champions which came from the Metroplex and have them play in Dallas where the real football is played:) No offense but Seguin has a long and proud tradition in the Texas fight for Independence but not in High School football.
You want a real classic that will drawer fans regardless of proximity of the schools. You get Plano, Katy, SLC, Judson, Carter, Yates, TJT & Perimian. You get 3 from Dallas, 2 from H Town, 1 from the Alamo City, West and East Texas. Go play in Austin every year in the first week of September aka Labor day weekend to kick things off.
Now that is a classic!!
your putting plano, carter and yates in front of SV. wow im glad its a football expert is picking the teams to play in it and not the fans :rolleyes:
LUFPAN
03-09-2006, 07:07 AM
I would only be interested in the Woodlands - SV game.
Same here. None of the other teams could really be considered strong contenders. Wonder why they were not able to pull in some of the stronger teams for this "classic" event?
Plano Wildcat Fan
03-09-2006, 07:49 AM
your putting plano, carter and yates in front of SV. wow im glad its a football expert is picking the teams to play in it and not the fans :rolleyes:
Yes I am, although SV is deserving of playing. You have to admit their are to many average teams without much long-term success and tradition. This years classic should be renamed San Antonio/RGV regional classic.
Not much excitement.
drgnbkr
03-09-2006, 08:23 AM
I think Dave just has a different approach, geared toward involving as many schools as he can, not based necessarily on winning traditions...I'm not his apologist, but I think he is into selling magazines..
SeguinMatadors
03-09-2006, 08:29 AM
I think Dave just has a different approach, geared toward involving as many schools as he can, not based necessarily on winning traditions...I'm not his apologist, but I think he is into selling magazines..
Or maybe Dave just wanted to get a peek at the 06' state champion Matadors.:rolleyes: ;)
Gridiron Gopher
03-09-2006, 09:08 AM
Or maybe Dave just wanted to get a peek at the 06' state champion Matadors.:rolleyes: ;)
It's good to see you have a sense of humor this early in the morning. :p
drgnbkr
03-09-2006, 09:19 AM
Or maybe Dave just wanted to get a peek at the 06' state champion Matadors.:rolleyes: ;)
I remember something about "the Matador defense" what was it? Oh yeah, they stand aside & let em go....:D
SeguinMatadors
03-09-2006, 09:52 AM
I remember something about "the Matador defense" what was it? Oh yeah, they stand aside & let em go....:D
lol! For that, I want the Dragons in the state championship! I will save this and show the defense in the coming minutes of the game.... dare I say SLC might get shut out?!:eek:
Yes I am, although SV is deserving of playing. You have to admit their are to many average teams without much long-term success and tradition. This years classic should be renamed San Antonio/RGV regional classic.
Not much excitement.
so plano has one good year which most likley is a fluke and all of the sudden they are a classic team come on now
dragonfootballfan
03-09-2006, 10:27 AM
so plano has one good year which most likley is a fluke and all of the sudden they are a classic team come on now
they only have 7 more state championships than smithson Valley. I guess to you that is not a classic team
they only have 7 more state championships than smithson Valley. I guess to you that is not a classic team
and when was the last one?
dragonfootballfan
03-09-2006, 10:29 AM
and when was the last one?
when was Smithson Valley's last championship?
grayowl60
03-09-2006, 10:33 AM
when was Smithson Valley's last championship?
LMAO!:D
Gridiron Gopher
03-09-2006, 10:34 AM
when was Smithson Valley's last championship?
coolestkidever just got sent to timeout! :D
when was Smithson Valley's last championship?
wow nice way to dodge that bullet. and what does a state championship have anything to do with how good a team is now. thats like saying permian should be in a classic game just because what they did 1283668746 years ago. same with plano they dont deserve to be in a classic game because they had one good season. and even though SV hasnt won a championship they have proven to be a power house in texas football. so just because some one has a championship under there belt doent mean they are the best around. dont worry dragon you will see where im coming from within a couple of years(if not next) yall will be looking back saying well we are the best because we won all those titles when you way back then................... a and still ahve a big head ya'll will be like the new england patriots of high school football "no one gives us respect and look what we did int the past"
dragonfootballfan
03-09-2006, 10:58 AM
wow nice way to dodge that bullet. and what does a state championship have anything to do with how good a team is now. thats like saying permian should be in a classic game just because what they did 1283668746 years ago. same with plano they dont deserve to be in a classic game because they had one good season. and even though SV hasnt won a championship they have proven to be a power house in texas football. so just because some one has a championship under there belt doent mean they are the best around. dont worry dragon you will see where im coming from within a couple of years(if not next) yall will be looking back saying well we are the best because we won all those titles when you way back then................... a and still ahve a big head ya'll will be like the new england patriots of high school football "no one gives us respect and look what we did int the past"
Smithson Valley has not proven to be powerhouse. They have no championships. I think that you are the only person that thinks that Smithson Valley is more of a "classic" team than Plano.
grayowl60
03-09-2006, 11:09 AM
wow nice way to dodge that bullet. and what does a state championship have anything to do with how good a team is now. thats like saying permian should be in a classic game just because what they did 1283668746 years ago. same with plano they dont deserve to be in a classic game because they had one good season. and even though SV hasnt won a championship they have proven to be a power house in texas football. so just because some one has a championship under there belt doent mean they are the best around. dont worry dragon you will see where im coming from within a couple of years(if not next) yall will be looking back saying well we are the best because we won all those titles when you way back then................... a and still ahve a big head ya'll will be like the new england patriots of high school football "no one gives us respect and look what we did int the past"
BUT THEY HAVE WON IT! Teams that have won multiple state championships are known as "WINNERS", and come back, and back. One day your team may join that club. Just keep cheering for your team, junior, and one day they may join the club. Carry on.
Smithson Valley has not proven to be powerhouse. They have no championships. I think that you are the only person that thinks that Smithson Valley is more of a "classic" team than Plano.
lol that was bold to speak for everyone on a board and i dont see how they have not proven to be a power house but hey its no use trying to agrue with a fool that is already full of himself so ill just enjoy watching my football team that gets more respect than you think and you can keep living your fairy tale life
BUT THEY HAVE WON IT! Teams that have won multiple state championships are known as "WINNERS", and come back, and back. One day your team may join that club. Just keep cheering for your team, junior, and one day they may join the club. Carry on.
lol you are arguing over a whole diff. subject you came in here and just started talking and its not making a lot of sense. and i know a couple of people that would think of SV as "winner" as you would say
dragonfootballfan
03-09-2006, 11:19 AM
lol that was bold to speak for everyone on a board and i dont see how they have not proven to be a power house but hey its no use trying to agrue with a fool that is already full of himself so ill just enjoy watching my football team that gets more respect than you think and you can keep living your fairy tale life
A fool that is full of himself would say that a team with no titles is more of a classic team than the team that has the most in Texas football history.
A fool that is full of himself would say that a team with no titles is more of a classic team than the team that has the most in Texas football history.
no a fool that is full of himself would speak or a whole board because he has his own opinion against some one.....................fairy tail
dragonfootballfan
03-09-2006, 11:23 AM
lets break it down. one team has 7 titles the most in Texas football history. Another team has gone to the state finals three times. Which team is more classic?
SeguinMatadors
03-09-2006, 11:25 AM
Smithson Valley has not proven to be powerhouse. They have no championships. I think that you are the only person that thinks that Smithson Valley is more of a "classic" team than Plano.
Smithson Valley is certainly a powerhouse and has proven so but they do not have the tradition of Plano... both teams are classic type teams in my eyes. Smithson Valley for their recent success and Plano for their historic sucess.
lets break it down. one team has 7 titles the most in Texas football history. Another team has gone to the state finals three times. Which team is more classic?
ok lets stop taking shots at each other and talk about it. i would think the team that has been better for the past 5 seasons would because i would not want to put a team team in there that has not been so good the past couple of years and gey killed it doest make a good football game to watch. i mean do you want to sit there and say wow plano got blown out of the water like expected after the game? i wouldnt i would want to be like wow that was a great close game and until sv stops getting deep in the playoffs i think they would give a good team a run for there money.
grayowl60
03-09-2006, 11:31 AM
no a fool that is full of himself would speak or a whole board because he has his own opinion against some one.....................fairy tail
The idea is---Go get a trophy---THEN talk;)
dragonfootballfan
03-09-2006, 11:32 AM
Smithson Valley is certainly a powerhouse and has proven so but they do not have the tradition of Plano... both teams are classic type teams in my eyes. Smithson Valley for their recent success and Plano for their historic sucess.
What makes a powerhouse then? I think that in order to be a powerhouse you have to have won a state championship, but a championship does not automatically make a powerhouse.
The idea is---Go get a trophy---THEN talk;)
lol and there is this guy who shouldnt even be in the same thread as a SV SLC poster :rolleyes:
What makes a powerhouse then? I think that in order to be a powerhouse you have to have won a state championship, but a championship does not automatically make a powerhouse.
that doesnt make sense i think a power house would be a team that has been able to knock off championship teams like SV did with katy and westlake over the past 5 years
dragonfootballfan
03-09-2006, 11:37 AM
ok lets stop taking shots at each other and talk about it. i would think the team that has been better for the past 5 seasons would because i would not want to put a team team in there that has not been so good the past couple of years and gey killed it doest make a good football game to watch. i mean do you want to sit there and say wow plano got blown out of the water like expected after the game? i wouldnt i would want to be like wow that was a great close game and until sv stops getting deep in the playoffs i think they would give a good team a run for there money.
I would rather watch any game that Plano was in than any game Smithson Valley is in except if SV was playing Carroll.
SeguinMatadors
03-09-2006, 11:38 AM
What makes a powerhouse then? I think that in order to be a powerhouse you have to have won a state championship, but a championship does not automatically make a powerhouse.
A team that consistently makes deep runs into the playoffs is a powerhouse. A team that is a threat to win it every year. That is what I think of when I think powerhouse.
SeguinMatadors
03-09-2006, 11:39 AM
I would rather watch any game that Plano was in than any game Smithson Valley is in except if SV was playing Carroll.
That just doesn't make any sense to me.
dragonfootballfan
03-09-2006, 11:39 AM
that doesnt make sense i think a power house would be a team that has been able to knock off championship teams like SV did with katy and westlake over the past 5 years
why doesn't it make sense? I think that in order to have powerhouse status you had to have won a championship.
grayowl60
03-09-2006, 11:39 AM
lol and there is this guy who shouldnt even be in the same thread as a SV SLC poster :rolleyes:
Hmmm.. my team has been to the finals 5 times, won 4. The last one in 99. And yours? We are talking about classic, winning programs here, right. Plano is one. SV is not.
I would rather watch any game that Plano was in than any game Smithson Valley is in except if SV was playing Carroll.
of course you would your old school and theirs nothing wong with that. plano use to be good just like some people would rather watch permian than SV just because they are old school but who has been the better team the past couple of years? we have our own teams we would like to watch but that doesnt mean sv is not a classic team just because you dont want to watch them
dragonfootballfan
03-09-2006, 11:42 AM
A team that consistently makes deep runs into the playoffs is a powerhouse. A team that is a threat to win it every year. That is what I think of when I think powerhouse.
almost winning is not what makes a powerhouse.
SeguinMatadors
03-09-2006, 11:43 AM
almost winning is not what makes a powerhouse.
Having the oppertunity to win a championship in any given year makes you a powerhouse. SV is one of the top 5 teams in Texas every year. I don't think anyone would agree with your logic.
Hmmm.. my team has been to the finals 5 times, won 4. The last one in 99. And yours? We are talking about classic, winning programs here, right. Plano is one. SV is not.
no we are not talking about classic right now we are talking about SV i know its hard to understand but think real hard and read back you can do it. o and we know garland can beat Sv because they won a title :rolleyes:
dragonfootballfan
03-09-2006, 11:45 AM
of course you would your old school and theirs nothing wong with that. plano use to be good just like some people would rather watch permian than SV just because they are old school but who has been the better team the past couple of years? we have our own teams we would like to watch but that doesnt mean sv is not a classic team just because you dont want to watch them
in the post I quoted you said that more people would rather see smithson valley than plano. I dissagreed with that. It was not to be used as an argument as to whether or not Smithson Valley is a classic team.
As to who has been better Plano or Smithson Valley the last couple of years. In 2005 I would say Plano and in 2004 I would say Smithson Valley.
why doesn't it make sense? I think that in order to have powerhouse status you had to have won a championship.
What makes a powerhouse then? I think that in order to be a powerhouse you have to have won a state championship, but a championship does not automatically make a powerhouse.
thats what i didnt get about that comment
dragonfootballfan
03-09-2006, 11:47 AM
Having the oppertunity to win a championship in any given year makes you a powerhouse. SV is one of the top 5 teams in Texas every year. I don't think anyone would agree with your logic.
Every team has the opportunity to win the championship at the beginning of the year. Does that mean that every team is a powerhouse?
dragonfootballfan
03-09-2006, 11:48 AM
thats what i didnt get about that comment
A team that does not have much success before or after a championship win is not a powerhouse.
SeguinMatadors
03-09-2006, 11:49 AM
Every team has the opportunity to win the championship at the beginning of the year. Does that mean that every team is a powerhouse?
Now you are reaching. You know I am right so you bring up something that is irrelevant. In theory, yes, every team does have an oppertunity before the year begins. Realistically, in any given year, there are no more than 10 teams with a good shot and if year in and year out you can honestly say you are one of those 10 teams.... you are a power.
A team that does not have much success before or after a championship win is not a powerhouse.
how do ou figure SV has not had success when katy beat SLC in 03 would you not say that was a successful year for ya'll
dragonfootballfan
03-09-2006, 11:52 AM
Now you are reaching. You know I am right so you bring up something that is irrelevant. In theory, yes, every team does have an oppertunity before the year begins. Realistically, in any given year, there are no more than 10 teams with a good shot and if year in and year out you can honestly say you are one of those 10 teams.... you are a power.
the last 4 years I would not have had Smithson Valley on my short list to win a championship and they have not. Are they still a powerhouse?
Now you are reaching. You know I am right so you bring up something that is irrelevant. In theory, yes, every team does have an oppertunity before the year begins. Realistically, in any given year, there are no more than 10 teams with a good shot and if year in and year out you can honestly say you are one of those 10 teams.... you are a power.
i was going to say the same thing about the reaching thing..........
dragonfootballfan
03-09-2006, 11:53 AM
how do ou figure SV has not had success when katy beat SLC in 03 would you not say that was a successful year for ya'll
where is Smithson Valley's championship win. A championship win is a prerequisite for having success before and after a championship.
SeguinMatadors
03-09-2006, 11:53 AM
the last 4 years I would not have had Smithson Valley on my short list to win a championship and they have not. Are they still a powerhouse?
I can honestly say that if you SV hasn't been on your short list for the past four years you do not know Texas hs football. They are on everyone else's short list and if they haven't been on yours they have been proving you wrong because they have always been one of the last teams left standing.
dragonfootballfan
03-09-2006, 11:55 AM
I can honestly say that if you SV hasn't been on your short list for the past four years you do not know Texas hs football. They are on everyone else's short list and if they haven't been on yours they have been proving you wrong because they have always been one of the last teams left standing.
How has a team that I did not think could win a championship the last four years proven me wrong without winning a championship?
where is Smithson Valley's championship win. A championship win is a prerequisite for having success before and after a championship.
why didnt you answer the question?
the last 4 years I would not have had Smithson Valley on my short list to win a championship and they have not. Are they still a powerhouse?
so because you didnt ahve them on your short list they are not a power house? go ask good old todd if he thinks SV has been a power house and thought about playing them you might be suprised
How has a team that I did not think could win a championship the last four years proven me wrong without winning a championship?
he didnt say that he said left standing. and there is more than the state champion on a short list
dragonfootballfan
03-09-2006, 12:01 PM
why didnt you answer the question?
I am still trying to understand what you are asking. I will do my best to answer though. I said that a team that has not had success before or after a championship win is not a power house. Smithson Valley has had success before a championship win, and if they do win I will consider them as a powerhouse. Carroll has had a lot of success both before and after their first five titles. Only time will tell whether or not whether they have success after their most recent title in 2005.
I am still trying to understand what you are asking. I will do my best to answer though. I said that a team that has not had success before or after a championship win is not a power house. Smithson Valley has had success before a championship win, and if they do win I will consider them as a powerhouse. Carroll has had a lot of success both before and after their first five titles. Only time will tell whether or not whether they have success after their most recent title in 2005.
no you said sv has not had success and i asked if SLCs 03 season was successful to the school or not
dragonfootballfan
03-09-2006, 12:05 PM
so because you didnt ahve them on your short list they are not a power house? go ask good old todd if he thinks SV has been a power house and thought about playing them you might be suprised
I am not sure whether Dodge and I have the same definition of a powerhouse team. I trust him and his judgement, but I don't just blindly agree with everything he says or does.
As to the first question, I was just replying to SeguinMatador's definition of a powerhouse and showing how to me, Smithson Valley did not even fit into his definition of a powerhouse.
dragonfootballfan
03-09-2006, 12:08 PM
no you said sv has not had success and i asked if SLCs 03 season was successful to the school or not
this is what I posted.
A team that does not have much success before or after a championship win is not a powerhouse.
never did I ever say that smithson valley has not had success. I said that they have neither had success before or after a championship win. That is a true statement that cannot be refuted because they do not have a championship win.
And also Carroll's 2003 season was successful
this is what I posted.
never did I ever say that smithson valley has not had success. I said that they have neither had success before or after a championship win. That is a true statement that cannot be refuted because they do not have a championship win.
And also Carroll's 2003 season was successful
but ya'll didnt win state so ya'll were not a power house that year right? see its called reputation and sv has a good one which makes them a power house if another teams coaches (not fans) are looking at them down the road
dragonfootballfan
03-09-2006, 12:21 PM
but ya'll didnt win state so ya'll were not a power house that year right? see its called reputation and sv has a good one which makes them a power house if another teams coaches (not fans) are looking at them down the road
they had won state in the past. That is why they are/were a powerhouse. they had success in the form of a state finals appearance a year removed from a championship. Smithson Valley has been successful, but not successful enough for me to elevate them to powerhouse status. They will need to win a championship for me to put them into that category.
they had won state in the past. That is why they are/were a powerhouse. they had success in the form of a state finals appearance a year removed from a championship. Smithson Valley has been successful, but not successful enough for me to elevate them to powerhouse status. They will need to win a championship for me to put them into that category.
2 key word right there................ which brings me back to the point of not speaking for everyone on this board
dragonfootballfan
03-09-2006, 12:28 PM
2 key word right there................ which brings me back to the point of not speaking for everyone on this board
I did not speak for everybody on the board when I said that I did not consider Smithson Valley a powerhouse. I was speaking for everyone when I said that Plano had more tradition than Smithson Valley.
I did not speak for everybody on the board when I said that I did not consider Smithson Valley a powerhouse. I was speaking for everyone when I said that Plano had more tradition than Smithson Valley.
not once did you say anything about tradition if you had i would not be having this discussion with you right now because yes plano does have more tradition.
dragonfootballfan
03-09-2006, 12:33 PM
not once did you say anything about tradition if you had i would not be having this discussion with you right now because yes plano does have more tradition.
I said that Plano is more of a classic team than Smithson Valley. I think the term "classic team" implies tradition.
drgnbkr
03-09-2006, 12:35 PM
I did not speak for everybody on the board when I said that I did not consider Smithson Valley a powerhouse. I was speaking for everyone when I said that Plano had more tradition than Smithson Valley.
Maybe your mixing the term powerhouse, when you should use dynasty..Carroll and Plano have been dynastic, SV is a powerhouse
I said that Plano is more of a classic team than Smithson Valley. I think the term "classic team" implies tradition.
you do realize that dave campbells "classic" games mean just that. GAMES not TEAMS there might not be a "classic" GAME if the "classic"TEAM was in it next year. then again who knows they could be but the past couple of years they have not been a threat like sv has
Maybe your mixing the term powerhouse, when you should use dynasty..Carroll and Plano have been dynastic, SV is a powerhouse
that would fit it way more i will never say sv is a dynasty until they have at least 5 title then maybe i will consider calling them that but i think he knows what he means and he is saying sv is not a power house
drgnbkr
03-09-2006, 12:53 PM
that would fit it way more i will never say sv is a dynasty until they have at least 5 title then maybe i will consider calling them that but i think he knows what he means and he is saying sv is not a power house
If playing in November and December almost every year makes you a powerhouse, then SV qualifies....
If playing in November and December almost every year makes you a powerhouse, then SV qualifies....
I agree.......but yall know that by now lol
SeguinMatadors
03-09-2006, 01:37 PM
How has a team that I did not think could win a championship the last four years proven me wrong without winning a championship?
They have been right there in the running.. therefor if you didn't have them on your short list... they proved you wrong because they were one of the last teams remaining. Geez, try and keep up.
SeguinMatadors
03-09-2006, 01:40 PM
Maybe your mixing the term powerhouse, when you should use dynasty..Carroll and Plano have been dynastic, SV is a powerhouse
Exactly... I just think he is a little confused.
Exactly... I just think he is a little confused.
no he wasnt he knew what he was saying :rolleyes:
dragonfootballfan
03-09-2006, 03:16 PM
They have been right there in the running.. therefor if you didn't have them on your short list... they proved you wrong because they were one of the last teams remaining. Geez, try and keep up.
I said they would not win a championship in the past 4 years. Smithson Valley did not win a championship. How am I wrong?
dragonfootballfan
03-09-2006, 03:23 PM
Maybe your mixing the term powerhouse, when you should use dynasty..Carroll and Plano have been dynastic, SV is a powerhouse
I know what I am talking about. I am not mixing up dynasty and powerhouse. I consider North Shore and Lufkin powerhouse programs. I would not consider either of those teams dynasties though. Smithson Valley has not proven to me that they can get over the hump. If they ever do, I will consider them a powerhouse.
SeguinMatadors
03-09-2006, 03:32 PM
I said they would not win a championship in the past 4 years. Smithson Valley did not win a championship. How am I wrong?
You said they weren't on your list of teams that could possibly win the state championship. They have proved you wrong because they were in the state championship game in 04' and in the game before the state championship in 05'. If your list was more than one team long in 04' they proved you wrong. If your list was more than 4 teams long in 05' they proved you wrong. Get it?
dragonfootballfan
03-09-2006, 03:35 PM
You said they weren't on your list of teams that could possibly win the state championship. They have proved you wrong because they were in the state championship game in 04' and in the game before the state championship in 05'. If your list was more than one team long in 04' they proved you wrong. If your list was more than 4 teams long in 05' they proved you wrong. Get it?
If they had played Katy in the first round last season. They would not have made it that far, and if they had played Carroll in the first round in 04 they would not have made it to the state game. I said they would not win and they did not. I am not sure how much better I can explain it. I said they would not win and they didn't.
SeguinMatadors
03-09-2006, 03:39 PM
If they had played Katy in the first round last season. They would not have made it that far, and if they had played Carroll in the first round in 04 they would not have made it to the state game. I said they would not win and they did not. I am not sure how much better I can explain it. I said they would not win and they didn't.
Oh, so your list was only two teams long of teams who had a chance to win it all in 04' and 05'? because you said you had a list... and if it was any longer... SV is the next team in 04'. Geez dude.. you are contradicting yourself like no other.
SeguinMatadors
03-09-2006, 03:40 PM
Oh, so your list was only two teams long of teams who had a chance to win it all in 04' and 05'? because you said you had a list... and if it was any longer... SV is the next team in 04'. Geez dude.. you are contradicting yourself like no other.
To end this... if at the begining of 04' you had a list of longer than two teams who could win the state championship and SV wasn't on it... they exceded your expectations because they were the runner ups. In 05 the same situation except a few more teams. I win. You lose. Like it.
dragonfootballfan
03-09-2006, 03:41 PM
Oh, so your list was only two teams long of teams who had a chance to win it all in 04' and 05'? because you said you had a list... and if it was any longer... SV is the next team in 04'. Geez dude.. you are contradicting yourself like no other.
If I say that a team does not have a chance to win a championship, and that team does not win, how am I wrong?
SeguinMatadors
03-09-2006, 03:43 PM
If I say that a team does not have a chance to win a championship, and that team does not win, how am I wrong?
Hahaha... I am making a fool out of you dude. Give it up.
dragonfootballfan
03-09-2006, 03:46 PM
Hahaha... I am making a fool out of you dude. Give it up.
you are making a fool out of me. That is funny. You are the one that is saying that I chose a team to not win state and they don't then I am wrong. You on the other hand have chosen Smithson Valley to win state the last four years and they haven't, but some how I guess you think you are right.
SeguinMatadors
03-09-2006, 03:48 PM
you are making a fool out of me. That is funny. You are the one that is saying that I chose a team to not win state and they don't then I am wrong. You on the other hand have chosen Smithson Valley to win state the last four years and they haven't, but some how I guess you think you are right.
Did you have a list or not?
SeguinMatadors
03-09-2006, 03:49 PM
you are making a fool out of me. That is funny. You are the one that is saying that I chose a team to not win state and they don't then I am wrong. You on the other hand have chosen Smithson Valley to win state the last four years and they haven't, but some how I guess you think you are right.
lol.. now I know I am getting to you because you are making stuff up now.
dragonfootballfan
03-09-2006, 03:53 PM
Did you have a list or not?
yes I did. The last four years it contained only three teams. I had a pretty good hit rate (atleast one champion a year), but you probably won't believe me. I was wrong many years, but never was I wrong about Smithson Valley.
2002
Carroll (sentimental, got lucky)
Lufkin
Judson
2003
Carroll
Lufkin
North Shore
2004
Carroll
Lufkin
Trinity
2005
Carroll
Katy
Westfield
dragonfootballfan
03-09-2006, 03:54 PM
lol.. now I know I am getting to you because you are making stuff up now.
I did not make that up. You indeed said that you think that every year Smithson Valley could win state. You have been wrong about that every year.
SeguinMatadors
03-09-2006, 03:54 PM
yes I did. The last four years it contained only three teams. I had a pretty good hit rate (atleast one champion a year), but you probably won't believe me. I was wrong many years, but never was I wrong about Smithson Valley.
2002
Carroll (sentimental, got lucky)
Lufkin
Judson
2003
Carroll
Lufkin
North Shore
2004
Carroll
Lufkin
Trinity
2005
Carroll
Katy
Westfield
So in 04' SV exceded your expectations by making it to state, eh?
dragonfootballfan
03-09-2006, 03:55 PM
So in 04' SV exceded your expectations by making it to state, eh?
that list was not of people that could make it to a state championship game. That list of people that could win a championship. Smithson Valley was not on my list and did not prove me wrong.
SeguinMatadors
03-09-2006, 03:55 PM
I did not make that up. You indeed said that you think that every year Smithson Valley could win state. You have been wrong about that every year.
Like I said, there are roughly 10 teams in any given year that I think have the possibilities of winning state. Some teams have come and gone but SV has consistently been on that list... making them a powerhouse.
SeguinMatadors
03-09-2006, 03:57 PM
that list was not of people that could make it to a state championship game. That list of people that could win a championship. Smithson Valley was not on my list and did not prove me wrong.
They did prove you wrong because they were one of the last remaining teams. Also, they were a few plays away from winning state so to say they couldn't have won it would make you look even more stupid.
SeguinMatadors
03-09-2006, 03:58 PM
Anyways, I have got to go work out.... laters.
dragonfootballfan
03-09-2006, 03:59 PM
Like I said, there are roughly 10 teams in any given year that I think have the possibilities of winning state. Some teams have come and gone but SV has consistently been on that list... making them a powerhouse.
Your definition of a powerhouse is based exclusively on preseason expectations. I don't think that is a smart thing to do.
dragonfootballfan
03-09-2006, 04:01 PM
They did prove you wrong because they were one of the last remaining teams. Also, they were a few plays away from winning state so to say they couldn't have won it would make you look even more stupid.
I make a prediction saying they will not state and they don't. Somehow I am wrong. I do not understand this line of thinking. If Carroll had played Smithson Valley in round 1, then Smithson Valley would not have made the second round.
Plano Wildcat Fan
03-09-2006, 05:57 PM
Made a few comments earlier. Read your threads. NOW I HAVE TIRED HEAD.:eek:
LETS MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY> SV IS THE BEST, SLC IS THE BEST, PLANO IS THE BEST, SEGUIN IS THE BEST:) :D
SeguinMatadors
03-09-2006, 06:30 PM
Made a few comments earlier. Read your threads. NOW I HAVE TIRED HEAD.:eek:
LETS MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY> SV IS THE BEST, SLC IS THE BEST, PLANO IS THE BEST, SEGUIN IS THE BEST:) :D
This makes me happy!:D
SeguinMatadors
03-09-2006, 07:03 PM
All you Smithson Valley fans better remember my support when peeps start hating on my Mats lol
SVite
03-09-2006, 07:03 PM
If you represent a region 3 out of 4 years,you might just be a powerhouse! If you take a powerhouse champion to 3 overtimes in the state championship,you might be a powerhouse! If the best team in the nation beats you by a last second fg,you might be a powerhouse! If you`ve been in the state championship 3 out of 4 years,you might be a powerhouse! If you are one of the top 5 winning football programs the last 10 years in the state,you might be a powerhouse!
Wake up dragon,who cares about your short list!your girlfriend?
SeguinMatadors
03-09-2006, 07:05 PM
If you represent a region 3 out of 4 years,you might just be a powerhouse! If you take a powerhouse champion to 3 overtimes in the state championship,you might be a powerhouse! If the best team in the nation beats you by a last second fg,you might be a powerhouse! If you`ve been in the state championship 3 of the last 4 years,you might be a powerhouse! If you are one of the top 5 winning football programs the last 10 years in the state,you might be a powerhouse!
Wake up dragon,who cares about your short list!your girlfriend?
Well said!
Plano Wildcat Fan
03-09-2006, 10:11 PM
If you represent a region 3 out of 4 years,you might just be a powerhouse! If you take a powerhouse champion to 3 overtimes in the state championship,you might be a powerhouse! If the best team in the nation beats you by a last second fg,you might be a powerhouse! If you`ve been in the state championship 3 out of 4 years,you might be a powerhouse! If you are one of the top 5 winning football programs the last 10 years in the state,you might be a powerhouse!
Wake up dragon,who cares about your short list!your girlfriend?
Until you win state!! You might not be a powerhouse, :)
If you can't win the big game 3 of 4 years! You might not be a powerhouse.;)
If you arent a top 3 team of all time wins in Texas history!! You might not be a powerhouse.: :p
If you don't hold all time Playoff wins record! You might not be a powerhouse.:D
Win state next year! I will call you a powerhouse. If you don't have the ring!! Can't be a powerhouse. :rolleyes:
I make a prediction saying they will not state and they don't. Somehow I am wrong. I do not understand this line of thinking. If Carroll had played Smithson Valley in round 1, then Smithson Valley would not have made the second round.
lol im gone for half a day and this guy posts all this. dude seguin dont worry about it anymore hes in his own little world a person from SLC even said he was wrong and hes still going. the only people that are backing him are the plano because he is talking about them. when he disagrees with them they will jump off his bandwagon and he will be all alone again with his own uneducated opinions. he already made him self look like a fool. like i said dont worry about it anymore seguin
HebronHawk
03-10-2006, 12:47 AM
Ah, another year of the .................. Dave Campbell Football classic snooze lineup. More RGV, Houston area and San Antonio teams playing each other.
No teams from the DFW or East Texas area again for another year.....
Nevermind that both the 5A and 4A state championships were won by DFW area teams this year..... They are not playing in the boring classic....
Increasingly, an irrelevent contest played by local teams with no state-wide significance but sponsored by Dave Campbell's Football.
If I was Dave Campbell's Football, I would be concerned that I couldn't generate any interest from the top teams for playing in my classic contest each year.
Ah, another year of the .................. Dave Campbell Football classic snooze lineup. More RGV, Houston area and San Antonio teams playing each other.
No teams from the DFW or East Texas area again for another year.....
Nevermind that both the 5A and 4A state championships were won by DFW area teams this year..... They are not playing in the boring classic....
Increasingly, an irrelevent contest played by local teams with no state-wide significance but sponsored by Dave Campbell's Football.
If I was Dave Campbell's Football, I would be concerned that I couldn't generate any interest from the top teams for playing in my classic contest each year.
wasnt just in it?
HebronHawk
03-10-2006, 01:01 AM
wasnt just in it?
We won State last season but Hebron has never played in a Dave Campbell's classic game.
We won State last season but Hebron has never played in a Dave Campbell's classic game.
sorry i ment to put SLC wernt they just in it?
I am still trying to understand what you are asking. I will do my best to answer though. I said that a team that has not had success before or after a championship win is not a power house. Smithson Valley has had success before a championship win, and if they do win I will consider them as a powerhouse. Carroll has had a lot of success both before and after their first five titles. Only time will tell whether or not whether they have success after their most recent title in 2005.
did you mean 6 titles here. i mean i would expect someone that has so much say so on who is a powerhouse and a classice team to know how many titles his own school has
and for the record.............post #32 same argument i used
http://www.5atexasfootball.com/forum/vB/showthread.php?t=4215&page=2&highlight=plano
they only have 7 more state championships than smithson Valley. I guess to you that is not a classic team
and when was the last one?
so please let me here your new bs answer for this one i cant wait
drgnbkr
03-10-2006, 07:20 AM
sorry i ment to put SLC wernt they just in it?
No, we played Midland Lee in week zero this season, but it was'nt part of Daves deal...
dragonfootballfan
03-10-2006, 07:20 AM
did you mean 6 titles here. i mean i would expect someone that has so much say so on who is a powerhouse and a classice team to know how many titles his own school has
read my post again. I have said that they had success after their first 5 titles, but you cannot tell what will happen after their most recent one until it actually happens in the next couple of years.
Pantherfan12
03-10-2006, 07:21 AM
Congrats to all who will play in the Classic. Last year O'Connor went for the first time and had a blast. It's interesting reading all the trash talk about who is considered a Powerhouse and who's not.....The classic in the past has had several Powerhouse participants as far as I'm concerned....
Seven schools in seven years of the Texas Football Classic have opened their schedules with a victory in the Texas Football Classic before eventually playing for a 5A or 4A state championship. Not only did 2004 participant Southlake Carroll win the Class 5A Division II State Championship, they also won the first of two straight mythical National Championships. The other schools to open with a win in the Texas Football Classic and play for a state championship were Katy (1999), Midland Lee and Austin Westlake (2000), Bay City (2001), Smithson Valley (2002), and The Woodlands (2003).
Good Luck to everyone...Spring Ball is just around the corner....and for a select few the real test starts at the Classic....
Go Panthers.....
dragonfootballfan
03-10-2006, 07:25 AM
I am not sure when Plano's last title was, I think it was 1994.
When was Smithson Valley's last title?
Also I do not think that Plano has regained powerhouse status. They still have not fully recovered from their 0-10 season. That does not mean they are not a "classic team"
drgnbkr
03-10-2006, 07:35 AM
Again, Plano was a dynasty, they are trying to work their way back to "powerhouse" status... Smithson Valley is a powerhouse program, who just has'nt gotten over the top yet....IMO
SVite
03-10-2006, 08:08 AM
Until you win state!! You might not be a powerhouse, :)
If you can't win the big game 3 of 4 years! You might not be a powerhouse.;)
If you arent a top 3 team of all time wins in Texas history!! You might not be a powerhouse.: :p
If you don't hold all time Playoff wins record! You might not be a powerhouse
Win state next year! I will call you a powerhouse. If you don't have the ring!! Can't be a powerhouse. :rolleyes:
Ok,what has that powerhouse Plano done since you`ve gotten out of your diapers?:p
dragonfootballfan
03-10-2006, 08:11 AM
Ok,what has that powerhouse Plano done since you`ve gotten out of your diapers?:p
probably won a championship. Unless the kid is 14 years old. How many championships has Smithson Valley won ever?
SeguinMatadors
03-10-2006, 08:53 AM
Goodness...
read my post again. I have said that they had success after their first 5 titles, but you cannot tell what will happen after their most recent one until it actually happens in the next couple of years.
lol like i said BS answer #1
I am not sure when Plano's last title was, I think it was 1994.
When was Smithson Valley's last title?
Also I do not think that Plano has regained powerhouse status. They still have not fully recovered from their 0-10 season. That does not mean they are not a "classic team"
and i love BS answer #2 you hit this guy with facts and he still tries to make himself look right. if you go back a read pretty much every post he has ever made you will see that all he does is try to prove that he has never been wrong and does nothing but respond to comments with a question which most of the time has nothing to do with the topic. i also find it funny that the posters fom his own school dont even back him up due to the way he posts. anyway facts are facts you can play the dumb role as much as you like with all the questions it will just make you look more like a fool and the hole you are digging will keep getting deeper
probably won a championship. Unless the kid is 14 years old. How many championships has Smithson Valley won ever?
the above post can be considered BS question #3 due to the irrelivent question once again. think of something new to use i know you can do it be a big boy.
drgnbkr
03-10-2006, 10:19 AM
Okay, lets try this..who are the top 5 programs since 2000?
In no particular order my list would be...Lufkin, Katy, Smithson Valley, Carroll, North Shore..I would think that any reasonable top 5 list since 2000 would include SV, regardless of the lack of a title.
Okay, lets try this..who are the top 5 programs since 2000?
In no particular order my list would be...Lufkin, Katy, Smithson Valley, Carroll, North Shore..I would think that any reasonable top 5 list since 2000 would include SV, regardless of the lack of a title.
huh i agree as does most poeple on this board
SFARocketGrad
03-10-2006, 10:41 AM
Okay, lets try this..who are the top 5 programs since 2000?
In no particular order my list would be...Lufkin, Katy, Smithson Valley, Carroll, North Shore..I would think that any reasonable top 5 list since 2000 would include SV, regardless of the lack of a title.
You know you gonna get to some of them Judson people with excluding us. Two title appearances and one title. Then a semi-final run... man come on now. :)
SeguinMatadors
03-10-2006, 10:53 AM
You know you gonna get to some of them Judson people with excluding us. Two title appearances and one title. Then a semi-final run... man come on now. :)
Judson could make a solid case but they did miss the playoffs oncccce.
SeguinMatadors
03-10-2006, 10:53 AM
You know you gonna get to some of them Judson people with excluding us. Two title appearances and one title. Then a semi-final run... man come on now. :)
Judson could make a solid case but they did miss the playoffs oncccce.
bubbacoach
03-10-2006, 10:57 AM
Judson could make a solid case but they did miss the playoffs oncccce.
Do you always repeat yourself when talking about one of the great ones?:D
drgnbkr
03-10-2006, 11:10 AM
You know you gonna get to some of them Judson people with excluding us. Two title appearances and one title. Then a semi-final run... man come on now. :)
Your right about that..the Rockets definately belong on any list...sorry..I was just trying to re-direct the Kid vs dragonfootballfan argument...
dragonfootballfan
03-10-2006, 01:38 PM
Okay, lets try this..who are the top 5 programs since 2000?
In no particular order my list would be...Lufkin, Katy, Smithson Valley, Carroll, North Shore..I would think that any reasonable top 5 list since 2000 would include SV, regardless of the lack of a title.
Since 2000 there have been nine different teams to win state championships. I would say all nine of those teams have accomplished more than Smithson Valley. Smithson Valley has only been in 5A since 2002. Since then there have only been six teams to win titles. I would say that those six teams have accomplished more than Smithson Valley. In fact since 2002 Smithson Valley has not even accomplished the most in Region IV. Judson has just as many championship appearances, but they won one of them in 2002. I think that most people would rather have one title than two championship appearances.
dragonfootballfan
03-10-2006, 01:40 PM
lol like i said BS answer #1
has the 2006 season concluded already? because if it hasn't then it is not possible to see what Carroll could accomplish after the 2005 title run. I don't know how that is so hard to understand
Since 2000 there have been nine different teams to win state championships. I would say all nine of those teams have accomplished more than Smithson Valley. Smithson Valley has only been in 5A since 2002. Since then there have only been six teams to win titles. I would say that those six teams have accomplished more than Smithson Valley. In fact since 2002 Smithson Valley has not even accomplished the most in Region IV. Judson has just as many championship appearances, but they won one of them in 2002. I think that most people would rather have one title than two championship appearances.
then again you seem to be the only person to believe in your own logic no matter how hard you try so it really doesnt matter any more. you have only yourself to blame for the way you are looking and its getting worse with each post you make :o
has the 2006 season concluded already? because if it hasn't then it is not possible to see what Carroll could accomplish after the 2005 title run. I don't know how that is so hard to understand
o its not hard keep em coming though im sure people are enjoying watching you struggle all by yourself as much as i am :D
dragonfootballfan
03-10-2006, 01:46 PM
then again you seem to be the only person to believe in your own logic no matter how hard you try so it really doesnt matter any more. you have only yourself to blame for the way you are looking and its getting worse with each post you make :o
so you think that two state championship appearances is more impressive than one state title?
dragonfootballfan
03-10-2006, 01:48 PM
o its not hard keep em coming though im sure people are enjoying watching you struggle all by yourself as much as i am :D
I am not struggling. You are the one that thinks that I can somehow claim that Carroll has had success after their most recent championship even though the 2006 season has not even started yet,
so you think that two state championship appearances is more impressive than one state title?
lol see here dragonfootball fan tried to use 2 of his tactics in one post
tactic 1= if all else fails ask a question like always
tactic 2= put words in other peoples mouth that thet never said to try and make a point
see most of us would respond to this pointless question and fall right into his trap.
so tell me DFF have you ever considered you might be wrong on any thread you have ever posted?
I am not struggling. You are the one that thinks that I can somehow claim that Carroll has had success after their most recent championship even though the 2006 season has not even started yet,
Carroll has had a lot of success both before and after their first five titles
so in other words carroll did not have success befor there 6th title
just another fact maybe you should be more clear
bubbacoach
03-10-2006, 02:03 PM
You two sound like a couple of Junior High kids.:p
You two sound like a couple of Junior High kids.:p
meh what can you do we all sound like junior high kids at one point on this board lol
Plano Wildcat Fan
03-10-2006, 10:22 PM
Ok,what has that powerhouse Plano done since you`ve gotten out of your diapers?:p
Since I have gotten out of Diapers in the early 70's Plano has won 5 state championships. I also have my State Ring from 86 Framed and hanging in my office with a picture of myself and my teammates after the state game at Kyle Field.
Where do you keep your championship rings? Oh thats right! they don't give out district championship rings. Only if you win state!:)
Win a statechampionship any statechampionship and you will be a powerhouse. SV is like TAMU. Solid program just can't get over the hump.
Since I have gotten out of Diapers in the early 70's Plano has won 5 state championships. I also have my State Ring from 86 Framed and hanging in my office with a picture of myself and my teammates after the state game at Kyle Field.
Where do you keep your championship rings? Oh thats right! they don't give out district championship rings. Only if you win state!:)
Win a statechampionship any statechampionship and you will be a powerhouse. SV is like TAMU. Solid program just can't get over the hump.
lol the whole where is your state ring is old sv is a powerhouse and has been since 01. you and DFF seem to be blind to this fact. DFF already gave up because all he did was ask stupid questions like where is your ring and it got him no where so if you want to make a point i suggest you dont make yourself look like DFF did.
thewoods06
03-11-2006, 01:10 AM
Okay, lets try this..who are the top 5 programs since 2000?
In no particular order my list would be...Lufkin, Katy, Smithson Valley, Carroll, North Shore..I would think that any reasonable top 5 list since 2000 would include SV, regardless of the lack of a title.
we gotta play 4 out of those 5 teams, yay.
we gotta play 4 out of those 5 teams, yay.
lol if yall are as good as you say you are then it will get yall ready for the playoffs so it might be a good thing
dragonfootballfan
03-11-2006, 08:29 AM
so in other words carroll did not have success befor there 6th title
just another fact maybe you should be more clear
read that post again. I never said anything about not having success before the sixth title, but it is good to have a title.
read that post again. I never said anything about not having success before the sixth title, but it is good to have a title.
ummmmmmm so y didnt you answer my question???? :confused:
dragonfootballfan
03-11-2006, 03:52 PM
ummmmmmm so y didnt you answer my question???? :confused:
I think that I have answered your question mant times now. Just because it was not what you wanted me to say, does not mean that it was not answered.
I think that I have answered your question mant times now. Just because it was not what you wanted me to say, does not mean that it was not answered.
lol see here dragonfootball fan tried to use 2 of his tactics in one post
tactic 1= if all else fails ask a question like always
tactic 2= put words in other peoples mouth that thet never said to try and make a point
see most of us would respond to this pointless question and fall right into his trap.
so tell me DFF have you ever considered you might be wrong on any thread you have ever posted?
maybe you should think again there guy
Humblefied
03-11-2006, 07:08 PM
So um...should we take a poll on who is ahead because I can't tell.
SVite
03-11-2006, 08:32 PM
Is`nt Plano one of those schools that had double the enrollment of most schools in the state?I`m not sure,i know Judson was,i think i remember that they were.I`m sure one of you guys will let me know.I worked up there this year (Plano,Frisco)alot of people in that area.I know,school enrollment never matters.Even when you go 0-10!:p
Plano Wildcat Fan
03-12-2006, 03:05 PM
lol the whole where is your state ring is old sv is a powerhouse and has been since 01. you and DFF seem to be blind to this fact. DFF already gave up because all he did was ask stupid questions like where is your ring and it got him no where so if you want to make a point i suggest you dont make yourself look like DFF did.
Wow!! Plano has more state championships 7 than years you consider SV a powerhouse which is 5. I think you need to reflect and look at yourself in the mirror and ask who is asking the stupid questions.
Obviously your line of comments are coming from someone who has never been part of state championship team or program.
WIn state and you are a powerhouse.
Wow!! Plano has more state championships 7 than years you consider SV a powerhouse which is 5. I think you need to reflect and look at yourself in the mirror and ask who is asking the stupid questions.
Obviously your line of comments are coming from someone who has never been part of state championship team or program.
WIn state and you are a powerhouse.
lol like i said keep making yourself look dumb to the texas football community it really doesnt bother me. plano can live in the past all you guys want the point is next year no one is going to be worrying about playing plano ya'll are a thing of the past with with ya'lls o so great 7 championships. SV on the other hand............well n/m we are not a powerhouse so just look past us :rolleyes:
o and another thing how long has plano been a high school in texas?
dragonfootballfan
03-12-2006, 03:43 PM
I have admitted that I was wrong in a thread. It was about Lufkin and their stadium choice for their playoff game against Carroll. a couple days before the game some information regarding lufkin students in a major car accident while traveling home from a waco playoff game was brought to my attention and the choice was then made clear to me. I admitted I was wrong.
Smithson Valley has 0 championships. Smithson Valley might be a region 4 powerhouse, but they are not anything more than that. They are still not a state powerhouse.
SeguinMatadors
03-12-2006, 03:48 PM
Permian has a ton of state championships... had success before and after those championships... are they a powerhouse?
slorch
03-12-2006, 03:49 PM
I have admitted that I was wrong in a thread. It was about Lufkin and their stadium choice for their playoff game against Carroll. a couple days before the game some information regarding lufkin students in a major car accident while traveling home from a waco playoff game was brought to my attention and the choice was then made clear to me. I admitted I was wrong.
Smithson Valley has 0 championships. Smithson Valley might be a region 4 powerhouse, but they are not anything more than that. They are still not a state powerhouse.
That weaker school gave the dragons all they wanted in 2004! I guess SLC won their title beating inferior competition... am I hearing you right?
SeguinMatadors
03-12-2006, 03:54 PM
That weaker school gave the dragons all they wanted in 2004! I guess SLC won their title beating inferior competition... am I hearing you right?
Dragonfootballfan makes the entire SLC fan base look bad.
dragonfootballfan
03-12-2006, 03:57 PM
That weaker school gave the dragons all they wanted in 2004! I guess SLC won their title beating inferior competition... am I hearing you right?
yes. Smithson Valley was inferior to Carroll in 2004 because Carroll won.
dragonfootballfan
03-12-2006, 03:58 PM
Permian has a ton of state championships... had success before and after those championships... are they a powerhouse?
they are not a powerhouse anymore. They used to be, but they are not now.
dragonfootballfan
03-12-2006, 04:00 PM
Dragonfootballfan makes the entire SLC fan base look bad.
why do I make the entire SLC fan base look bad? based on this thread alone it would be because I believe powerhouse teams should win a championship.
SeguinMatadors
03-12-2006, 04:02 PM
why do I make the entire SLC fan base look bad? based on this thread alone it would be because I believe powerhouse teams should win a championship.
You have contiued to make foolish comment after foolish comment... some one would bring up a valid point to disprove what you say and then you side-step around it.
slorch
03-12-2006, 04:05 PM
yes. Smithson Valley was inferior to Carroll in 2004 because Carroll won.
I'll file that one for later...
by the way, you should respect your opponent, for they are how you, too, are measured.
dragonfootballfan
03-12-2006, 04:20 PM
I'll file that one for later...
by the way, you should respect your opponent, for they are how you, too, are measured.
you are implying that 2004 smithson valley was better than 2004 carroll is that safe to assume
slorch
03-12-2006, 05:01 PM
you are implying that 2004 smithson valley was better than 2004 carroll is that safe to assume
nope, I'm just saying SV is a legit program, with a track record.
by your theory, SLC is the only true program. This is not true...
I have admitted that I was wrong in a thread. It was about Lufkin and their stadium choice for their playoff game against Carroll. a couple days before the game some information regarding lufkin students in a major car accident while traveling home from a waco playoff game was brought to my attention and the choice was then made clear to me. I admitted I was wrong.
Smithson Valley has 0 championships. Smithson Valley might be a region 4 powerhouse, but they are not anything more than that. They are still not a state powerhouse.
lol i know we havent knocked off teams from region 3 the past 3 out of 5 years :rolleyes:. lol dude we are wrecking you get over it you and plano wild cat are the only two that dont think SV is a powerhouse. i have seen it in past threads that you like to start stuff with sv fans you said so yourself. and no he does not make all the SLC posters look bad seguin because they dont even side with him when he makes stupid arguments. he only makes himself look like a fool. now i cant wait for his next reply to this.
you are implying that 2004 smithson valley was better than 2004 carroll is that safe to assume
lol see another dumb question/ put word in other peoples mouth comment made by dragonfootballfan
SVite
03-12-2006, 07:14 PM
Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
Powerhouse - an athletic team characterized by strong aggressive play.
does`nt mention anything about winning state championships!
dragonfootballfan,your definition is just one persons definition,yours!lol muhahahaha.......sorry got carried away:D
SeguinMatadors
03-12-2006, 07:15 PM
Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
Powerhouse - an athletic team characterized by strong aggressive play.
does`nt mention anything about winning state championships!
dragonfootballfan,your definition is just one persons definition,yours!lol muhahahaha.......sorry got carried away:D
lol.. alll excited.
Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
Powerhouse - an athletic team characterized by strong aggressive play.
does`nt mention anything about winning state championships!
dragonfootballfan,your definition is just one persons definition,yours!lol muhahahaha.......sorry got carried away:D
lol lets see what he has to say to this fact. i wonder how he will try to dodge this bullet
dragonfootballfan
03-12-2006, 11:38 PM
That definition is very vague. The statement "strong aggressive play" is up to interpretation. There is no way to prove that. That definition also allows for teams that nobody to consider a powerhouse to be put on the list just because of their aggressive play. Carter is probably one of the most aggressive teams, but second round exits are not usually common to a "powerhouse" team. There are many aggressive teams that don't even make the playoffs. I guess they are also powerhouse teams. Smithson Valley is not a powerhouse until they prove that they can be a champion. Their biggest 5A accomplishments has been making two state games in three years. That is a good accomplishment, but powerhouse teams do not lose state games by an average of 17 points.
SeguinMatadors
03-12-2006, 11:41 PM
That definition is very vague. The statement "strong aggressive play" is up to interpretation. There is no way to prove that. That definition also allows for teams that nobody to consider a powerhouse to be put on the list just because of their aggressive play. Carter is probably one of the most aggressive teams, but second round exits are not usually common to a "powerhouse" team. There are many aggressive teams that don't even make the playoffs. I guess they are also powerhouse teams. Smithson Valley is not a powerhouse until they prove that they can be a champion. Their biggest 5A accomplishments has been making two state games in three years. That is a good accomplishment, but powerhouse teams do not lose state games by an average of 17 points.
SV is a champion. A champion of the best district in the state in 26-5a and a region 4 champion.
That definition is very vague. The statement "strong aggressive play" is up to interpretation. There is no way to prove that. That definition also allows for teams that nobody to consider a powerhouse to be put on the list just because of their aggressive play. Carter is probably one of the most aggressive teams, but second round exits are not usually common to a "powerhouse" team. There are many aggressive teams that don't even make the playoffs. I guess they are also powerhouse teams. Smithson Valley is not a powerhouse until they prove that they can be a champion. Their biggest 5A accomplishments has been making two state games in three years. That is a good accomplishment, but powerhouse teams do not lose state games by an average of 17 points.
lol you get hammered with facts and still act like you know what he is talking about. sorry we proved you wrong so many times bill nye the science guy :rolleyes:
SV is a champion. A champion of the best district in the state in 26-5a and a region 4 champion.
lol but im sure he has his own defenition of a "champion"
SeguinMatadors
03-13-2006, 12:02 AM
lol but im sure he has his own defenition of a "champion"
lol... you got me there... what does it mean to be a champion oh wise one?
vBulletin® v3.8.7, Copyright ©2000-2012, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.