College admission requirements

[farmerfan]

What purpose do these things serve?

I say do away with them and let anybody who wants to attend a public univesity have that freedom

[wesaxman34]

It really starts with space and availability. I look at it as setting a credible standard for universities, but if ANYONE could admit themselves to their university of choice, there wouldn't be enough space for everyone, which is only one of many logical reasons why it is competitive.

[farmerfan]

It really starts with space and availability. I look at it as setting a credible standard for universities, but if ANYONE could admit themselves to their university of choice, there wouldn't be enough space for everyone, which is only one of many logical reasons why it is competitive.

What do schools care about credibility though?

[wesaxman34]

What do schools care about credibility though?

$

The more "credible" a school is, the more students they attract.

[farmerfan]

$

The more "credible" a school is, the more students they attract.

Which is why they should admit everybody who applies

[Favpack]

What do schools care about credibility though?

UGA, Texas, Vandy, A&M, Cal, fairly tough to get into these schools. There's a reason why.

Okie St., Arky, anything in Miss. or Alabama, or Lousyana - your comments are correct - they don't care.

[mojotrain]

What purpose do these things serve?



I say do away with them and let anybody who wants to attend a public univesity have that freedom

agree

[Favpack]

agree

Juco mentality. :cool:

[farmerfan]

UGA, Texas, Vandy, A&M, Cal, fairly tough to get into these schools. There's a reason why.

Okie St., Arky, anything in Miss. or Alabama, or Lousyana - your comments are correct - they don't care.

Vandy is a private school so I'm not worried about them.

What is the reason for those others though?

[wesaxman34]

Which is why they should admit everybody who applies

But then it goes back availability. Universities can't possibly admit everyone that applies unless they have unlimited resources and land.

[svhorns]

Then we would be like Cuba.

[Maroondog]

If no credibility or requirements then just collect the money at the door, hand everybody a sheepskin and let others sort out who really got any education.

No need for grading or exams either. :rolleyes:

[farmerfan]

But then it goes back availability. Universities can't possibly admit everyone that applies unless they have unlimited resources and land.

So, what is the point of a University?

[Maroondog]

So, what is the point of a University?

To educate the best and brightest, how did you slip through? :rofl:

[slcdragonfan]

So, what is the point of a University?

To train future Marxists. :)

And entertain us with football.

[wesaxman34]

So, what is the point of a University?

Everything your looking for basically seperates universities from community colleges. If someone isn't admitted to a university, they can use a community college as a stepping stone and transfer, assuming they have the right grades...but it is never impossible for anyone.

[farmerfan]

Everything your looking for basically seperates universities from community colleges. If someone isn't admitted to a university, they can use a community college as a stepping stone and transfer, assuming they have the right grades.

But what if they have grades that are better than others who have already been admitted into the university, should they then be allowed to enter the University?

[Maroondog]

Everything your looking for basically seperates universities from community colleges. If someone isn't admitted to a university, they can use a community college as a stepping stone and transfer, assuming they have the right grades.

Sorry, no more grades at the University level. (See post #12) :D

[The Wet Mustard]

UGA, Texas, Vandy, A&M, Cal, fairly tough to get into these schools. There's a reason why.

Okie St., Arky, anything in Miss. or Alabama, or Lousyana - your comments are correct - they don't care.

UT is much harder than A&M

[farmerfan]

To educate the best and brightest, how did you slip through? :rofl:

UNT's not a real school, remember? :)

[Maroondog]

UNT's not a real school, remember? :)

Maybe so, but they'll take your money quick enough. I spent plenty over there on my daughter. :mad:

[slcdragonfan]

Maybe so, but they'll take your money quick enough. I spent plenty over there on my daughter. :mad:

I'm still spending. :o In fact, UNT was less expensive than UofH, my oldest has gone to both. May have been the program though. For a great value, Texas State is a good education at a fair price in a cool town, close to SA and Austin.

[farmerfan]

Maybe so, but they'll take your money quick enough. I spent plenty over there on my daughter. :mad:

you have a daughter? Hmmmmmm ;)

[dragons08]

you have a daughter? Hmmmmmm ;)

She is a planosucks wildcat.

[farmerfan]

She is a planosucks wildcat.

Stud and I were watching the Ranger game last night he and my roommate both asked me what I would do If I finally met a girl that I fell head over heels for and was the one I was going to marry. The only thing is she was from Planosucks, went to Planosucks and told me I could do anything I ever wanted except say Planosucks. I told them I would tell her to get lost :eek::)

[twcpfan1]

I'm still spending. :o In fact, UNT was less expensive than UofH, my oldest has gone to both. May have been the program though. For a great value, Texas State is a good education at a fair price in a cool town, close to SA and Austin.

I hear Texas State is a difficult place to get any work done.

[farmerfan]

I hear Texas State is a difficult place to get any work done.

Do they have admission requirements?

[yankee]

UT is much harder than A&M

as long as you're top 10%, you can get into both schools just as easily right?

[the_phoenix612]

UT is much harder than A&M
and .002 is larger than .001. But neither is hard to get into.

[wesaxman34]

But what if they have grades that are better than others who have already been admitted into the university, should they then be allowed to enter the University?

Ideally, yes, but then you get into a gray area of possibly comparing oranges to apples.

I personally believe if someone has proven themselves academically in a community college for 1-2 years that they should be highly considered for admission in any state school.

[farmerfan]

Ideally, yes, but then you get into a gray area of possibly comparing oranges to apples.

I personally believe if someone has proven themselves academically in a community college for 1-2 years that they should be highly considered for admission in any state school.

Please elaborate.

[wesaxman34]

Please elaborate.

Ok, such as comparing a "B" in World History at Tarrant County College to a "B" in World History at Texas A&M. Are they the same? According to the GPA, yes, but are they really the same?

An architecture class is more than likely more difficult at Texas Tech than it would be a Richland College, so to say that someone's "B" in architecture at Richland College is better than someone's "C" at Tech isn't necessarily true...different professors, different institutions, different standards.

[wesaxman34]

Basically, all I'm saying is that it's difficult to compare grades from different institutions. If it's obvious that a student is trying their best, they should be considered for transfer admissions.

[farmerfan]

Basically, all I'm saying is that it's difficult to compare grades from different institutions. If it's obvious that a student is trying their best, they should be considered for transfer admissions.

So does that apply for high school too?

[wesaxman34]

So does that apply for high school too?

Well, if you want to get into that...I guess the best analogy would be 5A vs. 1A? If you are the valedictorian out of 30 vs. the valedictorian out of 600, colleges are more than likely going to be more impressed with the second applicant, no?

I never said any of this was fair. ;)

[farmerfan]

Well, if you want to get into that...I guess the best analogy would be 5A vs. 1A? If you are the valedictorian out of 30 vs. the valedictorian out of 600, colleges are more than likely going to be more impressed with the second applicant, no?

I never said any of this was fair. ;)

Which is why I think they are trying to do away with the top 10% rule, no?

[slcdragonfan]

Well, if you want to get into that...I guess the best analogy would be 5A vs. 1A? If you are the valedictorian out of 30 vs. the valedictorian out of 600, colleges are more than likely going to be more impressed with the second applicant, no?

I never said any of this was fair. ;)

The answer is "no", not A&M or UT at least. They want top 10%. If it is top 10% of weedco high school with 1 person or top 10% of Plano, doesn't seem to matter. I have known people to pull their child from Southlake to put them into a nearby private school to attempt to gain that 10% spectrum.

And no, top 10% of some Ft. Worth ISD or Dallas ISD or Houston ISD or Valley Mills ISD is probably not the same as top 10% @ Marcus, or FloMo, or Woodlands, or Southlake. If that sounds elitist, then so be it. It is based upon empirical experience.

[wesaxman34]

The answer is "no", not A&M or UT at least. They want top 10%. If it is top 10% of weedco high school with 1 person or top 10% of Plano, doesn't seem to matter. I have known people to pull their child from Southlake to put them into a nearby private school to attempt to gain that 10% spectrum.

And no, top 10% of some Ft. Worth ISD or Dallas ISD or Houston ISD or Valley Mills ISD is probably not the same as top 10% @ Marcus, or FloMo, or Woodlands, or Southlake. If that sounds elitist, then so be it. It is based upon empirical experience.

Exactly, which is why the top 10% rule is BS.

[twcpfan1]

as long as you're top 10%, you can get into both schools just as easily right?

You can get into UT Engineering without being top 10% if you ace your SAT's and your AP Chemistry. Smart thing to do is get your AP Chemistry out of the way your junior year and you're pretty much in. You gotta figure most who ace AP Chemistry pretty much wax the SAT's anyway.

[Favpack]

I think valedictorians get a schollie of some amount anywhere they go.

Don't forget about National Merit finalists - that is purely based on score and it's a huge schollie anywhere.

My oldest was salutatorian at Lufkin and graduated from ACU with a 4.0, with honors and honors college grad. Would she have been salutatorian at SLC? Very possibly. Would she have been valedictorian at any surrounding 1a to 3a schools? Yes - by a mile.

[farmerfan]

The answer is "no", not A&M or UT at least. They want top 10%. If it is top 10% of weedco high school with 1 person or top 10% of Plano, doesn't seem to matter. I have known people to pull their child from Southlake to put them into a nearby private school to attempt to gain that 10% spectrum.

And no, top 10% of some Ft. Worth ISD or Dallas ISD or Houston ISD or Valley Mills ISD is probably not the same as top 10% @ Marcus, or FloMo, or Woodlands, or Southlake. If that sounds elitist, then so be it. It is based upon empirical experience.

That happend my junior year at Liberty. A girls parents pulled her from Marcus, sent her to Liberty and she would have been salutatorian but didn't qualify since at Liberty you had to be there 3 years or something. She got into A&M though.

[farmerfan]

Exactly, which is why the top 10% rule is BS.

Do you think all students admitted to a University should be admitted under the same process or should different rules apply to different sets of people?

[twcpfan1]

Exactly, which is why the top 10% rule is BS.


which is also why UT and aTm pay less attention to it these days.

[wesaxman34]

Do you think all students admitted to a University should be admitted under the same process or should different rules apply to different sets of people?

I don't think rankings and percentiles are a fair way of comparing applicants from different schools. I think it should be based on GPA's, extra-curricular activities, and any other achievements that may justify a student's competence in a particular field and/or their overall work ethic.

[farmerfan]

I don't think rankings and percentiles are a fair way of comparing applicants from different schools. I think it should be based on GPA's, extra-curricular activities, and any other achievements that may justify a student's competence in a particular field and/or their overall work ethic.

So all things being considered.

Candidate A from Country HS has a 3.0 GPA, scores a 900 on the SAT(Old Scale) spends half of each school year doing extra-curricular activities.
He applies to Universty A.

Candidate B from City HS has a 3.5 GPA, scored 1150 on their SAT(once again old scale) and spends the entire school year doing extra-curricular activities. He applies to University A also.

Who should be taken or should they both be given an opportunity to enter into University A?

[DrEdward]

The central purpose of a university is to develop and enrich the mind by stimulating, promoting, and sustaining a spirit of inquiry directed to understanding the nature of our universe and our role in it. To serve this purpose, a university encourages activities designed to awaken, to discipline, and to expand the intellectual and creative capacities of its members. The university also seeks to record, to preserve, and to disseminate the results of intellectual discovery and creative endeavor resulting from efforts relative to its purpose.

Not all individuals are interested in pursuing such in their lives. For those indiviuduals, there exist other opportunities outside the university environment. To satisfy the range of abilities and individuals, there also exist a range of colleges and universities serving various levels of interest. Some of these schools essentially have open admission policies with no requirements to be met, save to pay the required fees. Other schools seek a more rigorous pursuit of a univesity's central purpose. For such institutions, a higher, or more restrctive set of admission requirements is called for. Such universities expect that the students and the faculty can begin their inquiries at a higher and more intense level. Thus admission standards simply act as a gatekeeping function and a method of categorizing, sorting, if you will, prospective students into universities more appropriate for their level and degree of interest and abilitiy.

[farmerfan]

The central purpose of a university is to develop and enrich the mind by stimulating. promoting, and sustaining a spirit of inquiry directed to understanding the nature of our universe and our role in it. To serve this purpose, a university encourages activities designed to awaken, to discipline, and to expand the intellectual and creative capacities of its members. Thee university also seeks to record, to preserve, and to disseminate the results of intellectual discovery and creative endeavor resulting from efforts relative to its purpose.

Not all individuals are interested in pursuing such in their lives. For those indiviuduals, there exist other opportunities outside the university environment. To satisfy the range of abilities and individuals, there also exist a range of colleges and universities serving various levels of interest. Some of these schools essentially have open admission policies with no requirements to be met, save to pay the required fees. Other schools seek a more rigorous pursuit of a univesity's central purpose. For such institutions, a higher, or more restrctive set of admission requirements is called for. Such universities expect that the students and the faculty can begin their inquiries at a higher and more intense level. Thus admission standards simply act as a gatekeeping function and a method of categorizing, sorting, if you will, prospective students into universities more appropriate for their level and degree of interest and abilitiy.

Are those requirements the same across the board or are exceptions made?

[DrEdward]

Are those requirements the same across the board or are exceptions made?

If I understand your question correctly, even within a given calibre of university, there are different approaches to admissions. While all schools will expect at least a strong indication of the ability of a prospective member to be able to do the work, there will clearly be border line cases. Different institutions treat these cases differently. Most Ivy League type schools will insist that there be virtually no deviation from their standards. Other universities at the same level adopt the view that a student who indicates that he or she is capable of doing the work expected at that university deserves the chance to perform and will admit such a student. However, this also gives rise to one of the Ivy League's (and schools with similar admissions policies) secret: it can be quite difficult to gain admission to such institutions, but once admitted, one is almost assured of graduating. In the later case, the first year courses can be much more rigorous, since the university wishes to find out early on (before expending a large amount of its resources) if the student is really capable of doing the work. But in both situations, the university will expect that its standards will be met.

[CoveMom]

Are those requirements the same across the board or are exceptions made?

Exhibit A: Legally Blonde...


:rofl:

[wesaxman34]

So all things being considered.

Candidate A from Country HS has a 3.0 GPA, scores a 900 on the SAT(Old Scale) spends half of each school year doing extra-curricular activities.
He applies to Universty A.

Candidate B from City HS has a 3.5 GPA, scored 1150 on their SAT(once again old scale) and spends the entire school year doing extra-curricular activities. He applies to University A also.

Who should be taken or should they both be given an opportunity to enter into University A?

Dr. Edward explained everything beautifully, me thinks.


Obviously Candidate B is the "better" choice, but for me personally, I do not believe in the SAT and ACT tests...that however, is for an entirely different debate I can get into. A 3.0 translates to a low "B", which is not bad. To answer your question though, I think both candidates should have the opportunity to be admitted. Candidate A would probably need to have a decent extra-curricular activity resume and an excellent essay for competitive purposes.

[tayb]

You can get into UT Engineering without being top 10% if you ace your SAT's and your AP Chemistry. Smart thing to do is get your AP Chemistry out of the way your junior year and you're pretty much in. You gotta figure most who ace AP Chemistry pretty much wax the SAT's anyway.

That's how I got in. I was barely in the top 25% in high school but I rocked the SAT, ACT, and SAT II Math.

Public high school is a joke. No Child Left Behind caters the entire education system to the slackers and morons and leaves the intelligent ones bored and unchallenged.

[twcpfan1]

The answer is "no", not A&M or UT at least. They want top 10%. If it is top 10% of weedco high school with 1 person or top 10% of Plano, doesn't seem to matter. I have known people to pull their child from Southlake to put them into a nearby private school to attempt to gain that 10% spectrum.

And no, top 10% of some Ft. Worth ISD or Dallas ISD or Houston ISD or Valley Mills ISD is probably not the same as top 10% @ Marcus, or FloMo, or Woodlands, or Southlake. If that sounds elitist, then so be it. It is based upon empirical experience.

Where the heck is Marcus and FloMo. It sounds like roided up track athletes. :D

[mad_fan]

What purpose do these things serve?

I say do away with them and let anybody who wants to attend a public univesity have that freedom

We need more crack dealers and hoes on campus...
Let's not do background checks either...they are public universities...should be more like public toilets...

[mad_fan]

So all things being considered.

Candidate A from Country HS has a 3.0 GPA, scores a 900 on the SAT(Old Scale) spends half of each school year doing extra-curricular activities.
He applies to Universty A.

Candidate B from City HS has a 3.5 GPA, scored 1150 on their SAT(once again old scale) and spends the entire school year doing extra-curricular activities. He applies to University A also.

Who should be taken or should they both be given an opportunity to enter into University A?

What Country???:D

[JagFan]

Where the heck is Marcus and FloMo. It sounds like roided up track athletes. :D

We be cool we from the FloMo. ;)

[mojotrain]

Not too hijack a thread but most of you seem to be a product of higher education so what percent of highschool students cheat on exams? What percent of students cheat once in college. I'm hearing about 70 percent in college. Start another thread if you feel like this would be a worthy topic.

[F18mustang]

Not too hijack a thread but most of you seem to be a product of higher education so what percent of highschool students cheat on exams? What percent of students cheat once in college. I'm hearing about 70 percent in college. Start another thread if you feel like this would be a worthy topic.

Cheating is much easier in college but the consequences if you get caught are much more severe.

[yankee]

Cheating is much easier in college but the consequences if you get caught are much more severe.

that.

[farmerfan]

We need more crack dealers and hoes on campus...
Let's not do background checks either...they are public universities...should be more like public toilets...

Now we're rocking./ Thank you underscore fan :D

[farmerfan]

So, I want to go to dream school. I have good grades and a good test score but I do not get accepted.

Another student does not have the same GPA or test scores or the same extra-cirricular activities I do but he gets in.

Is this right?

[DragonWatcher]

So, I want to go to dream school. I have good grades and a good test score but I do not get accepted.

Another student does not have the same GPA or test scores or the same extra-cirricular activities I do but he gets in.

Is this right?

Yep not everyone goes to the ivy league and not everyone makes the playoffs, its life.

[wesaxman34]

So, I want to go to dream school. I have good grades and a good test score but I do not get accepted.

Another student does not have the same GPA or test scores or the same extra-cirricular activities I do but he gets in.

Is this right?

Is this another hypothetical question or did this really happen? What school are you talking about?

[mojotrain]

Cheating is much easier in college but the consequences if you get caught are much more severe.

OK, but severe in what reguard. Is 70 percent about right and if 70 percent is about correct how many get caught?

[wesaxman34]

OK, but severe in what reguard. Is 70 percent about right and if 70 percent is about correct how many get caught?

I don't know where you got your data from but 70% is more than likely the number of students who admitted to it. There is no way 70% of any student body gets caught cheating.

[farmerfan]

Is this another hypothetical question or did this really happen? What school are you talking about?

This did not happen to me but it happens to kids all the time.

[farmerfan]

Yep not everyone goes to the ivy league and not everyone makes the playoffs, its life.

Not talking about the Ivy league here junior

[wesaxman34]

This did not happen to me but it happens to kids all the time.

Is it right? No. It's hard though to pinpoint what exactly the reasons would be without the specific situation.

[mojotrain]

I don't know where you got your data from but 70% is more than likely the number of students who admitted to it. There is no way 70% of any student body gets caught cheating.

Thats what I ask. If 70 percent cheat what percent get caught and exactly what is the punishment? You are making me think that perhaps more than 70 percent cheat.

[wesaxman34]

Thats what I ask. If 70 percent cheat what percent get caught and exactly what is the punishment? You are making me think that perhaps more than 70 percent cheat.

Well, it depends what the survey considered "cheating" as. If someone plagiarizes or cheats on a test, that is a serious offense and the student will meet with the dean about a possible expulsion depending on the situation. This does not happen a lot for obvious reasons.

If they accounted for the students who copy each other's homework and things like that, then that would explain why the number is so high. That is much harder to catch in college than it is in high school and it is generally not as serious as plagiarism depending on the class and the professor. Students will study together (nothing wrong with that), and then students will just flat out copy a friend's assignment (most everyone has done this, even if it is just a small part of the assignment).

[mojotrain]

Well, it depends what the survey considered "cheating" as. If someone plagiarizes or cheats on a test, that is a serious offense and the student will meet with the dean about a possible expulsion depending on the situation. This does not happen a lot for obvious reasons.

If they accounted for the students who copy each other's homework and things like that, then that would explain why the number is so high. That is much harder to catch in college than it is in high school and it is generally not as serious as plagiarism depending on the class and the professor. Students will study together (nothing wrong with that), and then students will just flat out copy a friend's assignment (most everyone has done this, even if it is just a small part of the assignment).

I see. :(

[yankee]

I see. :(

i call that "collaboration". :D

[F18mustang]

OK, but severe in what reguard. Is 70 percent about right and if 70 percent is about correct how many get caught?

Severe as in you'll get expelled, at least at Tech its that way.

[mojotrain]

Severe as in you'll get expelled, at least at Tech its that way.

So you could later go to harvard or yale.;)

[farmerfan]

Severe as in you'll get expelled, at least at Tech its that way.

UNT too.

I have never seen it happen though even though I have seen friends cheat. One of my buddies would get to his spanish class early and write all the vocab words on his desk in a pencil. Stupid stupid stupid but he never got caught. I had another friend write his girlfriends papers and would be rewarded with sex. True story. I walked in on him writing his girlfriends paper and was like bro, what are you doing and he goes Im writing her paper, I was about to say something and she goes "shut up Farmer, HE WILL BE REWARDED":notworthy

[The Wet Mustard]

as long as you're top 10%, you can get into both schools just as easily right?

Yes but outside the top ten percent is a different story. I was in the 3rd quarter at my school and got in at Tamu but not UT. I also got in at Northwestern(Chicago area, ILL) and at many other small schools i applied to. In fact UT is the only school i applied but did not get in at.

2.998 GPA
Numerous Ap classes with credit
2200 SAT(800 math, 750 CR, 650 Writing)
and 34 ACT

I was told by a counselor at UT that if it were 10 years ago there would be no question id be in but that the top ten percent rule killed me.

[the_phoenix612]

Yes but outside the top ten percent is a different story. I was in the 3rd quarter at my school and got in at Tamu but not UT. I also got in at Northwestern(Chicago area, ILL) and at many other small schools i applied to. In fact UT is the only school i applied but did not get in at.

2.998 GPA
Numerous Ap classes with credit
2200 SAT(800 math, 750 CR, 650 Writing)
and 34 ACT

I was told by a counselor at UT that if it were 10 years ago there would be no question id be in but that the top ten percent rule killed me.
TAMS is not considered top 10%, since it doesn't keep a class rank. I got into Rice, Northwestern, Washington University, A&M, waitlisted at UChicago (:Censor:) and waitlisted at tu.

add a bunch to your SAT score and change a 2.998 to a 3.696 taking college classes and I'm in the same boat as you.

[farmerfan]

TAMS is not considered top 10%, since it doesn't keep a class rank. I got into Rice, Northwestern, Washington University, A&M, waitlisted at UChicago (:Censor:) and waitlisted at tu.

add a bunch to your SAT score and change a 2.998 to a 3.696 taking college classes and I'm in the same boat as you.

That's just not right either. You guys and gals are obviously very gifted and have an opportunity like TAMS but yet are going to be punished when you're through with it?
Why did you choose A&M if you don't mind me asking?

[DrEdward]

Severe as in you'll get expelled, at least at Tech its that way.

The consequences of plagarism at respectable universities is quite severe, probably more so at the graduate level than at the undergrad level. Had one colleague in grad school who pretty blatantly plagarized a paper in a graduate Econ class. The door didn't even have time to hit him in the butt as he was tossed not only out of the program, but out of the university - and rightly so. Doing so undercuts the value of the university's degree and that of other students in the process.

[SeguinMatadors]

I wish I didn't meet college admissions requirements. Would have saved me a lot of wasted time in class.

[The Wet Mustard]

TAMS is not considered top 10%, since it doesn't keep a class rank. I got into Rice, Northwestern, Washington University, A&M, waitlisted at UChicago (:Censor:) and waitlisted at tu.

add a bunch to your SAT score and change a 2.998 to a 3.696 taking college classes and I'm in the same boat as you.

See that is rediculous. Id put all those schools at or above the level of UT yet because you went to a competitive school or just didnt do homework you dont get in to UT. Standardized test scores are more important than grades IMO.

And exactly how good were your SAT's because 2200 is really good. I wanna say it is above 97th percentile

[JBT]

Funny this thread came up. I work for the admissions office at Tech now.

[F18mustang]

Funny this thread came up. I work for the admissions office at Tech now.

Cool story

[yankee]

where'd this wet mustard character come from.

[tayb]

See that is rediculous. Id put all those schools at or above the level of UT yet because you went to a competitive school or just didnt do homework you dont get in to UT. Standardized test scores are more important than grades IMO.

And exactly how good were your SAT's because 2200 is really good. I wanna say it is above 97th percentile

It depends on the spread. Most admissions officess care much more about the math and reading sections than they do the writing section (grammar + essay). Still, the worst you could have gotten on any single section and still scored a 2200 is a 600 and that is well above average.

Standardized tests are crap. Have you seen the nonsense they ask on the SAT? It's complete bullcrap. It doesn't test intelligence, it doesn't test college readiness, there's no correlation between high scores and college success, and there's a direct correlation between income and scores. The only thing the SAT tests is how well you take the SAT and the only purpose it serves is comparing how well you took the SAT to how well other prospective students took the SAT. That's it.

[the_phoenix612]

That's just not right either. You guys and gals are obviously very gifted and have an opportunity like TAMS but yet are going to be punished when you're through with it?
Why did you choose A&M if you don't mind me asking?
I really really like the campus, the programs, and the people. Most of picking a college is the feel of it, and A&M just clicked for me. At the end of it though, two years of college credit is a lot to walk away from and Rice, Northwestern, Wash U, et al, wouldn't allow me to take more than 10 credit hours with me.

Plus my girlfriend only got into UChicago and A&M from that list :o

[the_phoenix612]

See that is ridiculous. Id put all those schools at or above the level of UT yet because you went to a competitive school or just didn't do homework you don't get in to UT. Standardized test scores are more important than grades IMO.

And exactly how good were your SAT's because 2200 is really good. I wanna say it is above 97th percentile
fify :rolleyes:

CR 790 W780 M710. I'm not good at math. Also had a 34 on the ACT but I don't remember my breakdown. I just remember sleeping through one of the sections.

[tayb]

That isn't possible unless you slept through the essay. If you slept through any of the four graded sections the highest score you could possibly get would be a 27.

And I don't know why you would sleep through the essay considering it isn't required and carries an additional fee.

[the_phoenix612]

That isn't possible unless you slept through the essay. If you slept through any of the four graded sections the highest score you could possibly get would be a 27.

And I don't know why you would sleep through the essay considering it isn't required and carries an additional fee.
You bring a valid point. Perhaps it was one of my SAT sittings. Honestly, it was quite some time ago and I don't remember anything beside the shock of realizing I'd slept through a math section.

[tayb]

You bring a valid point. Perhaps it was one of my SAT sittings. Honestly, it was quite some time ago and I don't remember anything beside the shock of realizing I'd slept through a math section.

That's much more plausible considering the SAT has an experimental section that isn't graded and it's either math or reading.

[the_phoenix612]

That's much more plausible considering the SAT has an experimental section that isn't graded and it's either math or reading.
:confused:

idk

[tayb]

:confused:

idk

Most people aren't aware of that. 10 sections on the SAT. 9 graded.

[Firebird]

I was told by a counselor at UT that if it were 10 years ago there would be no question id be in but that the top ten percent rule killed me.

If this is true, that means that although tu might have a greater number of students that graduated in the top 10 percent of their HS than A&M, A&M is probably admitting and getting more of the students that tu actually wants to have on campus.

[the_phoenix612]

Most people aren't aware of that. 10 sections on the SAT. 9 graded.
nah, I knew that, I'm just fuzzy on my specific details. Needless to say, I didn't take the SAT all that seriously. I think I got home at 3amish the night before the exam that counted...

[The Wet Mustard]

nah, I knew that, I'm just fuzzy on my specific details. Needless to say, I didn't take the SAT all that seriously. I think I got home at 3amish the night before the exam that counted...

Yeah i took mine the Saturday after school got out for summer after Jr year. Lets just say Friday night was fun... Oh and I forgot my calculator.

[The Wet Mustard]

where'd this wet mustard character come from.

Name changed from Clasof2010.
2 reasons.
Reason1. There was only 1 "s" and i looked like an idiot.
Reason2. I wanted my name to match my gamertag on xboxlive

[tayb]

If this is true, that means that although tu might have a greater number of students that graduated in the top 10 percent of their HS than A&M, A&M is probably admitting and getting more of the students that tu actually wants to have on campus.

Oh it is definitely true. UT turns down tons of kids they want in favor or kids they don't want but are forced to take because they somehow managed to crack into the top 10%.

An un-intended (or intended) consequence of this is that most departments now have several "weed out" courses that you are required to take and generally required to take your freshman year. Most of these have extremely high failure rates that weed out the kids who don't truly belong there. For example, in the engineering department the two classes that I considered to be "weed out" were Physics I and Physics II. No matter what kind of engineering you are studying you are required to take these two classes, you generally need to have them done within 3 semesters, and they have outrageously high failure rates. I really don't know if these sort of classes have always been the norm but it seems to me that it is an effect of too many kids enrolling that aren't smart enough to be there.

[tayb]

nah, I knew that, I'm just fuzzy on my specific details. Needless to say, I didn't take the SAT all that seriously. I think I got home at 3amish the night before the exam that counted...

I don't know how you can possibly take that stupid test seriously. I've taken that dumb thing dozens of times and seen endless amounts of stupid questions but one that took the cake for me was a question about how many pieces I could split a donut into with only two straight slices with a knife.

Seriously. How many pieces can I split a donut into. This on a test that is supposed to determine whether prospective students will be accepted into their dream school.

[Firebird]

Oh it is definitely true. UT turns out tons of kids they want in favor or kids they don't want but are forced to take because they somehow managed to crack into the top 10%.

An un-intended (or intended) consequence of this is that most departments now have several "weed out" courses that you are required to take and generally required to take your freshman year. Most of these have extremely high failure rates that weed out the kids who don't truly belong there. For example, in the engineering department the two classes that I considered to be "weed out" were Physics I and Physics II. No matter what kind of engineering you are studying you are required to take these two classes, you generally need to have them done within 3 semesters, and they have outrageously high failure rates. I really don't know if these sort of classes have always been the norm but it seems to me that it is an effect of too many kids enrolling that aren't smart enough to be there.

It was my understanding that though tu (and A&M for that matter) did grant admission to any 10 percenters as required by law, they did not grant them the right to enroll in any specific course of study. I would think that engineering would be one of those, and that would be a more effective way of maintaining the integrity of those departments than intentionally trying to land entering freshmen on scho pro.

Weed out courses for the more rigorous courses of study are not really new, nor are they restricted to public schools with the ten percenters. There were some notorious entry level science classes for the kids on the pre-med track at ACU. They were not really trying to fail kids, but rather to dissuade the students that didn't really want to work.

[tayb]

It was my understanding that though tu (and A&M for that matter) did grant admission to any 10 percenters as required by law, they did not grant them the right to enroll in any specific course of study. I would think that engineering would be one of those, and that would be a more effective way of maintaining the integrity of those departments than intentionally trying to land entering freshmen on scho pro.

Weed out courses for the more rigorous courses of study are not really new, nor are they restricted to public schools with the ten percenters. There were some notorious entry level science classes for the kids on the pre-med track at ACU. They were not really trying to fail kids, but rather to dissuade the students that didn't really want to work.

Don't know about that one. That makes much more sense though.

[Firebird]

Don't know about that one. That makes much more sense though.

I am about 100 percent positive that the business schools are allowed to have much higher admissions standards. I would assume the college of engineering would be able to as well. It might get sticky in some of the hard sciences, since they would technically just be departments within the college of arts and sciences.

[yankee]

I am about 100 percent positive that the business schools are allowed to have much higher admissions standards.

fact.

[wesaxman34]

it depends on the spread. Most admissions officess care much more about the math and reading sections than they do the writing section (grammar + essay). Still, the worst you could have gotten on any single section and still scored a 2200 is a 600 and that is well above average.

standardized tests are crap. Have you seen the nonsense they ask on the sat? It's complete bullcrap. It doesn't test intelligence, it doesn't test college readiness, there's no correlation between high scores and college success, and there's a direct correlation between income and scores. The only thing the sat tests is how well you take the sat and the only purpose it serves is comparing how well you took the sat to how well other prospective students took the sat. That's it.

+1

[slcdragonfan]

Funny this thread came up. I work for the admissions office at Tech now.

I didn't know they needed an admissions office. ;)