Conroe High School

[forest99]

the new era in montgomery county is now beginning........up until late 70's, conroe hs ruled the area.....then they created McCullough HS, which of course hurt conroe hs because of enrollment. during the 80's and early 90's the two schools battled very closely back and forth. then suddenly caney creek hs was built, which split conroe hs basically in two. also at that time, which i think was 1996, McCullough became known as "teh" woodlands. since that time woodlands has definately ruled the area, once again because of enrollment numbers. Now, conroe hs has grown alot, caney creek is 4A, and now college park hs has opened and dismantled part of "teh" woodlands....NOW, the rivalry is once again going to be one of the biggest in the state!!!!!!!(which is great for everybody, and to the dismay of "teh" woodlands fans since they are used to 5,000+ kids at their school)

[Miss Kitty]

Thanks. I always think it is cool to know the stories behind rivalries.

[forest99]

thanks....theres alot more too now that college park has opened up....just to let everybody know...."teh" woodlands had an enrollment of nearly 5,000....and they opened up college park hs to help relieve that number...but....the capacity of college park hs is only 2,400....and they did that so that "teh" woodlands will always have the higher enrollment...

[TheDuke]

GO "corn"roe!!!


They will be so good now I can't wait!!:eek: :D

[Big Daddy Cool]

So having a large enrollment number makes you a good team or a winning team, then tell why there are so many large enrollment schools that have losing records every year. Enrollment doesn't have near as much to do with a teams success as people seem to think it does. If enrollment defined a school as your claiming it does then schools like say Southlake Carroll or Katy wouldn't be winning state titles like they are. You can have all the students you want but if there is no talent or coaching it won't mean jack. And for this rivaly to become one of the biggest in the state i think Conroe is goign to have to win a couple of games in a row before anyone outside of Conroe gives a hoot about it.

[TheDuke]

So having a large enrollment number makes you a good team or a winning team, then tell why there are so many large enrollment schools that have losing records every year. Enrollment doesn't have near as much to do with a teams success as people seem to think it does. If enrollment defined a school as your claiming it does then schools like say Southlake Carroll or Katy wouldn't be winning state titles like they are. You can have all the students you want but if there is no talent or coaching it won't mean jack.


THANK YOU BIG DADDY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[forest99]

So having a large enrollment number makes you a good team or a winning team, then tell why there are so many large enrollment schools that have losing records every year. Enrollment doesn't have near as much to do with a teams success as people seem to think it does. If enrollment defined a school as your claiming it does then schools like say Southlake Carroll or Katy wouldn't be winning state titles like they are. You can have all the students you want but if there is no talent or coaching it won't mean jack. And for this rivaly to become one of the biggest in the state i think Conroe is goign to have to win a couple of games in a row before anyone outside of Conroe gives a hoot about it.
schools like katy and southlake carroll are great because of their ridiculously good coaching!!! enrollment plays a very large roll in how good a team can be and its asinine to say its not. having a huge number of kids to find some athletes helps of course!!! and if you actually read the first part of the thread, i talked about how conroe and "teh" woodlands are finally level again and it should translate into some great on the field action....

[McC Insider]

So having a large enrollment number makes you a good team or a winning team, then tell why there are so many large enrollment schools that have losing records every year. Enrollment doesn't have near as much to do with a teams success as people seem to think it does. If enrollment defined a school as your claiming it does then schools like say Southlake Carroll or Katy wouldn't be winning state titles like they are. You can have all the students you want but if there is no talent or coaching it won't mean jack. And for this rivaly to become one of the biggest in the state i think Conroe is goign to have to win a couple of games in a row before anyone outside of Conroe gives a hoot about it.


Big Daddy hit the nail on the head with that one.

However, while numbers don't mean success good athletes do. You can coach just about anything except athleticism. Over the years, the woodlands has had good coaching and that is why they were able to sustain their success through the lean years. But, a bigger pool of athletes means more talent to choose from. Once the numbers passed 4,500 the team reached the semi-finals and finals. In the 80's and 90's good coaching only went so far and more athletic teams knocked them out early.

Yes, small schools are good, but the talent per capita is much greater. (i.e. Dallas Carter and Lufkin)

[McC Insider]

Ok, let's get something strait. The term "Corn"roe term doesn't even apply anymore. Duke this is to you since you are the only one, on this board, who uses it and for that matter is even old enough to know what it means. The Corn left Conroe with Caney Creek and East County. I haven't seen two many corn fields or cow patties on N. Frazier.

[South Texas]

the new era in montgomery county is now beginning........up until late 70's, conroe hs ruled the area.....then they created McCullough HS, which of course hurt conroe hs because of enrollment. during the 80's and early 90's the two schools battled very closely back and forth. then suddenly caney creek hs was built, which split conroe hs basically in two. also at that time, which i think was 1996, McCullough became known as "teh" woodlands. since that time woodlands has definately ruled the area, once again because of enrollment numbers. Now, conroe hs has grown alot, caney creek is 4A, and now college park hs has opened and dismantled part of "teh" woodlands....NOW, the rivalry is once again going to be one of the biggest in the state!!!!!!!(which is great for everybody, and to the dismay of "teh" woodlands fans since they are used to 5,000+ kids at their school)

Why did they change the name of the school to the "the woodlands" from McCullough

[TheDuke]

Ok, let's get something strait. The term "Corn"roe term doesn't even apply anymore. Duke this is to you since you are the only one, on this board, who uses it and for that matter is even old enough to know what it means. The Corn left Conroe with Caney Creek and East County. I haven't seen two many corn fields or cow patties on N. Frazier.


Let's get something strait. I could care less what you say.

I just say that because your boy doesn't know how to spell "the"

With that said I don't care if all the corn in Caney Creek or where ever it is is up your you know what.

[CKE]

Let's get something strait. I could care less what you say.

I just say that because your boy doesn't know how to spell "the"

With that said I don't care if all the corn in Caney Creek or where ever is up your you know what.

Yay another thread were i can sit and watch some good quality entertainment.whos bringing the popcorn

[TheDuke]

Yay another thread were i can sit and watch some good quality entertainment.whos bringing the popcorn


As long as you know I didn't start it?

McC seems to be "corn"roe 05's daddy!

Always has to say something after I respond!

It is actually kind of funny!:D

[Drake]

If numbers don't make a difference, then I guess we can justifiably argue that Highland Park was the best team in the state... If not, why not? Because they played in 4A? Why is 4A weaker? Smaller schools? Why would that matter? Talent pools?

Having more kids to pick from is an advantage. Just because many schools don't get much out of that advantage doesn't mean it isn't so...

[CKE]

As long as you know I didn't start it?

McC seems to be "corn"roe 05's daddy!

Always has to say something after I respond!

It is actually kind of funny!:D

lol i dont care who started it as long as ya'll keep going at it. im learning a whole history lesson about teh woodlands and corn row :D

[TheDuke]

lol i dont care who started it as long as ya'll keep going at it. im learning a whole history lesson about teh woodlands and corn row :D

Honestly, I have know idea where "corn"roe cam from? I just started to say it when I saw "eth".

Sure is fun though!

[CKE]

Honestly, I have know idea where "corn"roe cam from? I just started to say it when I saw "eth".

Sure is fun though!

lol well im going to let ya'll go at it again have fun guys ill be watching

[forest99]

Yay another thread were i can sit and watch some good quality entertainment.whos bringing the popcorn
hey man, thats what were here for!!! but please do notice one thing, whenever somebody crosses that line....it always ends up being "teh" woodlands

[TheDuke]

hey man, thats what were here for!!! but please do notice one thing, whenever somebody crosses that line....it always ends up being "teh" woodlands


Shouldn't you be at Practice Coach?:D :D

[forest99]

nope, track practice hasnt started yet, thanks for your concern tho duke...

[Favpack]

We love playing Conroe. And, I have no idea why you can't spell "the" correctly. It's really not funny 05 - but go ahead, don't let me stop you.

[TheDuke]

We love playing Conroe. And, I have no idea why you can't spell "the" correctly. It's really not funny 05 - but go ahead, don't let me stop you.


How about it is completely stupid!

Like me saying "corn"roe, but I will not stop until he does!

Got that McC daddy!

[McC Insider]

Honestly, I have know idea where "corn"roe cam from? I just started to say it when I saw "eth".

Sure is fun though!

So you just go ahead and use it falling in behind the rest of the sheep in the herd. Go on living in your woodlands area bubble, not knowing or even caring about people in the real world. Times are changing and I am willing to bet that College Park beats the woodlands within the next 3 seasons.

[144 Quarters]

nope, track practice hasnt started yet, thanks for your concern tho duke...

where do you coach at?

[twhfan#1]

the new era in montgomery county is now beginning........up until late 70's, conroe hs ruled the area.....then they created McCullough HS, which of course hurt conroe hs because of enrollment. during the 80's and early 90's the two schools battled very closely back and forth. then suddenly caney creek hs was built, which split conroe hs basically in two. also at that time, which i think was 1996, McCullough became known as "teh" woodlands. since that time woodlands has definately ruled the area, once again because of enrollment numbers. Now, conroe hs has grown alot, caney creek is 4A, and now college park hs has opened and dismantled part of "teh" woodlands....NOW, the rivalry is once again going to be one of the biggest in the state!!!!!!!(which is great for everybody, and to the dismay of "teh" woodlands fans since they are used to 5,000+ kids at their school)

You are overlooking one detail --- College Park is actually the SECOND time that McCullough / The Woodlands has been split ---did you forget about Oak Ridge ???- that split occured long before Caney Creek was built JUST TO HURT CONROE ( tell that to the people in East County that begged and threatned lawsuits for years & 2 bond elections for their own high school )

I didnt want to make an issue over this--but reading your drivel -- you need to realize about the real world of CISD :

1. Schools are built where the kids are --- not to create teams
2. Woodlands High CAN NOT split off from CISD --- U.S. Justice Dept will not allow it --has been tried in Houston -- no-no because it would "dilute minority enrollment "
3. Even if Conroe has 2 Jr Highs feeding CHS -- there are still more kids in the one Jr High in Woodlands than the 2 in Conroe
4. The split of College Park will hurt Woodlands some yes --- but initially will hurt Oak Ridge more ( already has ) --because the programs that were at OR to draw students from Woodlands ( Academy , JrROTC , etc ) are now at CP & transfers to OR are now out for Woodlands kids

Personally I miss the old rivalry between Conroe & TWH --with Conroe stadium sold out & I enjoy reading the discussions about Conroe vs TWH --- please continue --- but get your facts right

[McC Insider]

Nicely put, seems that twhfan#1 has done his research. The assumption that the split will hurt Oak Ridge is correct, and they do build schools where the students are. I just thought it was funny that the College Park was built to small and then additional programs were placed there. Was that by happenstance, poor engineering or because as the growth continues the district will funnel more kids to twh. Those kids that should go to College Park, those athletes living in the government housing and the older villages.

One more point I did some research too. It just so happens that the District website enrolments for the junior high schools all match the numbers given to TEA except for McCullough. I wonder who those extra 75 students are.

[forest99]

thanks # 1 twhs fan....sorry, it may take me a min to realize im talking to a "teh" woodlands fan that does not have a one track mind and knows what he is talking about....ok...now i know most of yall hate "corn" row, but this is a very good book...somewhat like friday night lights, but its about conroe hs football during the times they were state contenders. it is a very good book and you all should try to read it. i am not from conroe, never lived in conroe, and i still couldnt put this book down!!! its called tiger boogie, so if your a football fan, just give this book a try!!

[forest99]

ok, im not trying to say one school has better athletes than the other...i KNOW "teh" woodlands has some great ones also...but i just thought these few conroe hs guys were worth mentioning....fb antonio kelly 5-8 205 4.6 40 yrd dash, benches 355 and averaged 5.3 yrds per carry last season with 4 td's, te byron mitchell 6-5 240 5.0 40 yrd dash, benches 300 + and averaged 23 yrds a catch (less than 10 receptions), ss ryan thornton 6-1 195 4.5 40 yrd dash, benches 280.....all 3 of these guys were all-district players as jr's and will be seniors next season, and these are REAL numbers, so now do any of you "teh" woodlands people OR anybody else have actual stats about a few of your upcoming studs??????

[McC Insider]

ok, im not trying to say one school has better athletes than the other...i KNOW "teh" woodlands has some great ones also...but i just thought these few conroe hs guys were worth mentioning....fb antonio kelly 5-8 205 4.6 40 yrd dash, benches 355 and averaged 5.3 yrds per carry last season with 4 td's, te byron mitchell 6-5 240 5.0 40 yrd dash, benches 300 + and averaged 23 yrds a catch (less than 10 receptions), ss ryan thornton 6-1 195 4.5 40 yrd dash, benches 280.....all 3 of these guys were all-district players as jr's and will be seniors next season, and these are REAL numbers, so now do any of you "teh" woodlands people OR anybody else have actual stats about a few of your upcoming studs??????

So Conroe05, what does the quarterback situation look like. Chet Reed plays 3rd base for the baseball team does he have an arm. Who else might step up to fill the role?

[forest99]

So Conroe05, what does the quarterback situation look like. Chet Reed plays 3rd base for the baseball team does he have an arm. Who else might step up to fill the role?
well, good question mcc insider....a soph last year, justin smith played wr, k, and p....he is 6-0 and runs a 4.8 and benches 250 and will be a jr this upcoming season, GREAT arm strength...just needs to learn to read the defenses, but i think itll come up experience.

[144 Quarters]

Hey CORNroe

If you don't coach, how do you know so much about football? I guess it's fun to coach a 7 on 7 team when on Friday nights Conroe lines up and runs the ball all game. If they do throw a pass, it's usually intercepted. Nice work you do with them in the summer.

McCInsider

Did you graduate from McCullough and you weren't the star athlete so now you gotta go and try to hate on The Woodlands. Dude, you can't help it if you sucked in high school...

[BT1]

You guys keep talking about how the opening of college park is going to hurt the woodlands football program, I don't beleive its going to happen, because off the feeder jr highs. Knox feeds CP had they have'nt beaten mccullogh/branch crossing in the last few years. I think enrollment wise there are more students at mccullough jr high playing football(406) than conroe has in their entire football program. I know the coaching staff at McC JH is very good!:) :)

[144 Quarters]

You guys keep talking about how the opening of college park is going to hurt the woodlands football program, I don't beleive its going to happen, because off the feeder jr highs. Knox feeds CP had they have'nt beaten mccullogh/branch crossing in the last few years. I think enrollment wise there are more students at mccullough jr high playing football(406) than conroe has in their entire football program. I know the coaching staff at McC JH is very good!:) :)

I think the reason McC won this year is because of the new system CP is running. Give CP next year and their Knox coaches will outcoach many of McC's.

[BT1]

Those guys at knox are clueless about football. It's not the system its coaching.

[McC Insider]

Actually 144Quarters, I did buy into the system and had success. It wasn't until I left the area that I realized what was going on. I guess you can't see the woods for the trees. Or maybe you and the Duke are just ignorant.

[forest99]

You guys keep talking about how the opening of college park is going to hurt the woodlands football program, I don't beleive its going to happen, because off the feeder jr highs. Knox feeds CP had they have'nt beaten mccullogh/branch crossing in the last few years. I think enrollment wise there are more students at mccullough jr high playing football(406) than conroe has in their entire football program. I know the coaching staff at McC JH is very good!:) :)
well, of course the opening of college park will hurt "teh" woodlands football team, before "teh" woodlands was getting all of the students from BOTH branch crossing (now mccullough) and knox jhs....now theyre just getting mccullough jhs...how in the world can that not be huring their football team???? conroe jhs-1481, college park jhs-1198, twjhs-1720 those are the enrollment numbers of the junior high schools...and yes i know the staff at mccullough also...coach skinner is a great guy (McC AD) but he doesnt even coach a team anymore.

[McC Insider]

Those guys at knox are clueless about football. It's not the system its coaching.

BT1, why don't you do some research. The record between the two squads was only 3-2-1 in favor of McC. Also, as I have said before large numbers boosted the amount of good athletes at twh. I am willing to bet college park has more athletes per capita and as the two zones grow that will favor college park. As for coaching take a look at experience and see which head coach has had more success, which coach as been apart of more Texas Bowls. Then tell us who doesn't have a clue.

[Buddy Moorehead]

Those guys at knox are clueless about football. It's not the system its coaching.

If McC coaches are that great, then why did Peet tie them this year 8-8. Granted, McC does have some athletes but not near as many as Peet.
My son played 8th grade football and basketball this year and in football Peet just outplayed McC. Basketball was different. The 8th grade A team in basketball was well coached and they kicked the crap out of us.

If it was the system...then a bunch of 2nd graders could of won that game.

[playbook]

It was obvious to me that the coaching from Peet was far better than that from MCC......especially in the 8th grade A game. I have a nephew on MCC's 8th A team and he said they should have kicked a couple of field goals to win the game.

[stangsfan]

Are they still planning to build Woodlands Stadium in that swamp behind Sam's or is there still a wetland there?

[forest99]

uh...hey playbook and buddy moorhead....wow, 2 people sign up and respond right at the same time....thats crazy....and by the way, you shouldnt use dead peoples names buddy!!!but you are definately right, the peet jhs coaches totally outcoached the mccullough coaches that night

[McC Insider]

Ok, I will take partial blame for the decline of this thread, but has it really come to this... Discussions of Jr. High football.

[Buddy Moorehead]

uh...hey playbook and buddy moorhead....wow, 2 people sign up and respond right at the same time....thats crazy....and by the way, you shouldnt use dead peoples names buddy!!!but you are definately right, the peet jhs coaches totally outcoached the mccullough coaches that night

dude...look i'm taking your side. i guess you haven't heard the name of that stadium in conroe idiot.

[KT2000]

No name calling necesary. Steer this thread into a more productive direction.

[McC Insider]

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[forest99]

dude...look i'm taking your side. i guess you haven't heard the name of that stadium in conroe idiot.
yes, thanks...i do know the name of the conroe isd stadium...and all the buddy moorhead glory stories....and i know you took my side, and i greatly appreciated that....just saying it was weird how 2 people with their first post right at the same time....and the thing about your name was a joke...just kind of a weird screen name....but its ok.....so what were you saying, you have a child at peet??? who are some of the better coaches over there in you and your childs opinion???

[Buddy Moorehead]

I really dont think this is the place to get on here and talk about the coaches. I will tell you this though that I do know Kemp and Woodum personally.

[forest99]

no, i dont want to know the bad, just curious as to if you knew some of the really good coaches over at peet jhs and what position they coach???

[twhfan#1]

Are they still planning to build Woodlands Stadium in that swamp behind Sam's or is there still a wetland there?

Latest word is that construction start this July --open JAN 08 ( that will reaqlly help football for 2007 season--- lol --- but also includes swim facility)

BTW -- it is NOT a Woodlands stadium --it is SOUTH COUNTY Stadium --it is practically on Oak Ridge campus -- TWH is 5 miles away -- CP is about 3 miles away

[twhfan#1]

Why did they change the name of the school to the "the woodlands" from McCullough

Different campus -- original high school in Woodlands was named for J.L. McCullough -- former head coach at Conroe & later Superintendant of CISD -- after it was outgrown -- new campus built -- named The Woodlands High ( TWH ) for Jr - Sr campus --- McCullough became Fresh - Soph campus of TWH --- now with opening of College Park & reconfiguring of campus -- McCullough is now Jr Hi feeding THW ( now soph - sr campus )

[slorch]

Different campus -- original high school in Woodlands was named for J.L. McCullough -- former head coach at Conroe & later Superintendant of CISD -- after it was outgrown -- new campus built -- named The Woodlands High ( TWH ) for Jr - Sr campus --- McCullough became Fresh - Soph campus of TWH --- now with opening of College Park & reconfiguring of campus -- McCullough is now Jr Hi feeding THW ( now soph - sr campus )
McCullough is actually a Junior High now...

[twhfan#1]

Nicely put, seems that twhfan#1 has done his research. The assumption that the split will hurt Oak Ridge is correct, and they do build schools where the students are. I just thought it was funny that the College Park was built to small and then additional programs were placed there. Was that by happenstance, poor engineering or because as the growth continues the district will funnel more kids to twh. Those kids that should go to College Park, those athletes living in the government housing and the older villages.

One more point I did some research too. It just so happens that the District website enrolments for the junior high schools all match the numbers given to TEA except for McCullough. I wonder who those extra 75 students are.


Little background --- the original pitch by school board on bond election for CP --- it was to be a 4A magnet school for fine arts ---after the bond issue passed -- there was a group from Woodlands whinning --wanting McCullogh to be re-opened as high school again , splitting 3 ways McC , TWH , and CP --resulting in (3) - 4A schools --- as usual with CISD --first whinner gets listened to -- soas a compromise CP was re-desiigned as a "small 5A " with some "enrichment " programs -- but not a "Fine Art Magnet "

LOTS OF POLITICS in CISD

[slorch]

the new era in montgomery county is now beginning........up until late 70's, conroe hs ruled the area.....then they created McCullough HS, which of course hurt conroe hs because of enrollment. during the 80's and early 90's the two schools battled very closely back and forth. then suddenly caney creek hs was built, which split conroe hs basically in two. also at that time, which i think was 1996, McCullough became known as "teh" woodlands. since that time woodlands has definately ruled the area, once again because of enrollment numbers. Now, conroe hs has grown alot, caney creek is 4A, and now college park hs has opened and dismantled part of "teh" woodlands....NOW, the rivalry is once again going to be one of the biggest in the state!!!!!!!(which is great for everybody, and to the dismay of "teh" woodlands fans since they are used to 5,000+ kids at their school)
I still don't see The Woodlands as being any part of Conroe! It's stupid that the games are played 15 miles away for "home" games. The stadium will be done at the end of '07.
The river separates us, and the Woodlands is very little like Conroe. I have lived here 2 years and still don't see the connection, other than the fact that Conroe ISD would never let such a huge tax base go.

For further discussion, my post office on The Woodlands Parkway and Gosling says SPRING, TX on it. A whole new discussion...

[playbook]

hey conroe 05.......you are right about the peet coaches outcoaching the mccullough coaches that night. the big problem was the playcalling in the
8th A game.

[forest99]

hey conroe 05.......you are right about the peet coaches outcoaching the mccullough coaches that night. the big problem was the playcalling in the
8th A game.
sorry, its been awhile since i saw that game...what do you think they shouldve done???

[pack0808]

schools like katy and southlake carroll are great because of their ridiculously good coaching!!! enrollment plays a very large roll in how good a team can be and its asinine to say its not. having a huge number of kids to find some athletes helps of course!!! and if you actually read the first part of the thread, i talked about how conroe and "teh" woodlands are finally level again and it should translate into some great on the field action....



Conroe has 1,000 more then Lufkin and The Woodlands had almost 3,000 more in the last 2 years of the Conroe area district and Lufkin still had no problems what so ever winning every single game. They had only one close game in 2 years in that district. Lufkin only has 2,400 students. I have said it several times that once you get up over 2,000 students it does not make that much of a difference. Still plenty to choose from. The numbers are overrated in 5a. Look at some of the most dominant teams lately. Many have small 5a numbers. Now the lower and lower you get under 2,000 the bigger the difference it makes, because they lack depth and kids to choose from.

[stangsfan]

Latest word is that construction start this July --open JAN 08 ( that will reaqlly help football for 2007 season--- lol --- but also includes swim facility)

BTW -- it is NOT a Woodlands stadium --it is SOUTH COUNTY Stadium --it is practically on Oak Ridge campus -- TWH is 5 miles away -- CP is about 3 miles away

By your comment, I take it the site (South County) is no longer a wetland concern?
I guess the dry year helped.

[ktCarl]

Conroe has a 1,000 more then Lufkin and The Woodlands had almost 3,000 more in the last 2 years of the Conroe area district and Lufkin still had no problems what so ever winning every single game. They had only one close game in 2 years in that district. Lufkin only has 2,400 students. I have said it several times that once you get up over 2,000 students it does not make that much of a difference. Still plenty to choose from. The numbers are overrated in 5a. Look at some of the most dominant teams lately. Many have small 5a numbers. Now the lower and lower you get under 2,000 the bigger the difference it makes, because they lack depth and kids to choose from.

LaMarque is a 4A team that could kick a lot of booty here in 5A.

[pack0808]

LaMarque is a 4A team that could kick a lot of booty here in 5A.


There is always exceptions. Yes LaMarque would be a top 10 in 5a most years. In 2003 they were top 4 material. Not the last 2 though in my opinion. Marshall beat them 1 year ago and Longview destroyed Marshall that year like they usually do. Marshall has been to 2 straight div1 finals in 4a and they were getting beat like a red headed step child in the 5a east texas district right before moving down.

[forest99]

Conroe has 1,000 more then Lufkin and The Woodlands had almost 3,000 more in the last 2 years of the Conroe area district and Lufkin still had no problems what so ever winning every single game. They had only one close game in 2 years in that district. Lufkin only has 2,400 students. I have said it several times that once you get up over 2,000 students it does not make that much of a difference. Still plenty to choose from. The numbers are overrated in 5a. Look at some of the most dominant teams lately. Many have small 5a numbers. Now the lower and lower you get under 2,000 the bigger the difference it makes, because they lack depth and kids to choose from.
sorry pack0808, i completely disagree with you...think about it, obviously...the more students you have, the greater chance you have of having more athletes....now in cases like lufkin, they are just simply outcoached by everybody and have a very large athlete to pe student ratio!!!

[pack0808]

sorry pack0808, i completely disagree with you...think about it, obviously...the more students you have, the greater chance you have of having more athletes....now in cases like lufkin, they are just simply outcoached by everybody and have a very large athlete to pe student ratio!!!


The facts do not lie. Look at the top 10 at the end of the year last year. I bet 7 of the top 10 had a fairly small 5a enrollment including the #1 team. You cannot use the great coaching theory everytime come on? Still plenty of athletes to choose from when you have 2,000 plus. Sure there are some advantages of having a bigger enrollment but they are way overrated if you look at the results each year.

[playbook]

sorry conroe 05 about taking so long to reply.

mcc was pounding the ball on peet up the middle and then decided to start throwing the ball which didn't work well.

[forest99]

The facts do not lie. Look at the top 10 at the end of the year last year. I bet 7 of the top 10 had a fairly small 5a enrollment including the #1 team. You cannot use the great coaching theory everytime come on? Still plenty of athletes to choose from when you have 2,000 plus. Sure there are some advantages of having a bigger enrollment but they are way overrated if you look at the results each year.
actually, i can use the great coaching theory everytime!!!! are you kidding me, can you say outlaw, dodge, etc....your right, whenever you get above 2,000 kids you definately find some athletes, but schools with 1,000 more kids than you obviously get alot more to choose from....and if dodge or outlaw was at a school like "teh" woodlands, plano, (pre-wagner) judson, etc. i would hate to see what would happen!!!

[forest99]

sorry conroe 05 about taking so long to reply.

mcc was pounding the ball on peet up the middle and then decided to start throwing the ball which didn't work well.
your right playbook, i do remember that...they had a BIG team!!! they were running the ball well the first half, just bogged down at times and then peet ran a 4-4 basically...i might be wrong, but wasnt a deep lucky throw the only time mcc scored at all that night???

[playbook]

yes you are right about the deep pass, but peet scored the same way at the end of the game. i haven't heard anything else from BT01. i don't think the coaching is the reason mcc is successful

[forest99]

yes you are right about the deep pass, but peet scored the same way at the end of the game. i haven't heard anything else from BT01. i don't think the coaching is the reason mcc is successful
oh your completely right....the reason they never have down years is because they have 1,720 kids that go there!!!!!peet has 900 and knox has 1,198

[TheDuke]

So you just go ahead and use it falling in behind the rest of the sheep in the herd. Go on living in your woodlands area bubble, not knowing or even caring about people in the real world. Times are changing and I am willing to bet that College Park beats the woodlands within the next 3 seasons.

People in the real world? :eek: WTF are you talking about?

Take your medicine! Your losing it!



:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Slim-Rob]

The facts do not lie. Look at the top 10 at the end of the year last year. I bet 7 of the top 10 had a fairly small 5a enrollment including the #1 team. You cannot use the great coaching theory everytime come on? Still plenty of athletes to choose from when you have 2,000 plus. Sure there are some advantages of having a bigger enrollment but they are way overrated if you look at the results each year.

good point pack.

[McC Insider]

People in the real world? :eek: WTF are you talking about?

Take your medicine! Your losing it!



:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


Forget the first part of that, I was on my soapbox. But College Park wins within the next 3 years.

[twhfan#1]

By your comment, I take it the site (South County) is no longer a wetland concern?
I guess the dry year helped.

not exactly ---- the original site was 60 acres ( stadium , swim center , transportation center ) , 17 acres of that were classified as wetlands by Corp of Engineers - following was done ;

1. some drainage work was done
2. CISD board deleted the transportation center from the project -- future status of that unknown
3. Woodlands Corporation donated acreage north of site for "wetlands mitigation"
4. Corp of Engineers has indicated this will be acceptable -- but hasnt issued formal report hasnt been issued. CISD expects report by July construction date. But cant start until formal report issued

[stangsfan]

not exactly ---- the original site was 60 acres ( stadium , swim center , transportation center ) , 17 acres of that were classified as wetlands by Corp of Engineers - following was done ;

1. some drainage work was done
2. CISD board deleted the transportation center from the project -- future status of that unknown
3. Woodlands Corporation donated acreage north of site for "wetlands mitigation"
4. Corp of Engineers has indicated this will be acceptable -- but hasnt issued formal report hasnt been issued. CISD expects report by July construction date. But cant start until formal report issued

Thanks for the update! It sounds like the project can move forward. Hopefully, they won't find an ancient burial ground or endangered species on the site.

[TheDuke]

Forget the first part of that, I was on my soapbox. But College Park wins within the next 3 years.


Not gonna happen.

[McC Insider]

not exactly ---- the original site was 60 acres ( stadium , swim center , transportation center ) , 17 acres of that were classified as wetlands by Corp of Engineers - following was done ;

1. some drainage work was done
2. CISD board deleted the transportation center from the project -- future status of that unknown
3. Woodlands Corporation donated acreage north of site for "wetlands mitigation"
4. Corp of Engineers has indicated this will be acceptable -- but hasnt issued formal report hasnt been issued. CISD expects report by July construction date. But cant start until formal report issued


The Corp of Engineers may be on board but the folks in Tamina aren’t. Can you imagine the traffic jam that is going to emerge from this stadium? County Road construction and Tex-Dot better get on this quick. One turn lane, heck Tamina Road and David Memorial gets bogged down right now. We just thought Spring and Humble were bad. Bad spot for the stadium, district should have held onto that land at 1488 they sold for pennies on the dollar. That was 90 acres and could have supported College Park and The stadium.

[McC Insider]

Not gonna happen.

Give me 5 good reasons why not

[twhfan#1]

The Corp of Engineers may be on board but the folks in Tamina aren’t. Can you imagine the traffic jam that is going to emerge from this stadium? County Road construction and Tex-Dot better get on this quick. One turn lane, heck Tamina Road and David Memorial gets bogged down right now. We just thought Spring and Humble were bad. Bad spot for the stadium, district should have held onto that land at 1488 they sold for pennies on the dollar. That was 90 acres and could have supported College Park and The stadium.


Agree with you 100 % about the 1488 land -- plans at the time were to build football stadium & indoor arena there -- but decision was to sell & put money into upgrade of Conroe stadium ( turf , pressbox , etc --basically what you see now ) . I think if you do a lot of research you might discover that some of the people that bought the 1488 land also had interest in the new site

Many people fought the David road site -- Willig wanted the site on Freeway next to creek ( Budde road area close to Little League complex ) would have had good parking ( Park & Ride lot )

After that deal fell thru -- land next to Gosling Rd Park & Ride was looked at --but one of the final acts of previous Supt ( resigned under pressue )& board president ( now a state official ) was to buy the land on David --- over objections of Willig

after that land sold -- the plan was to share sports fields with FOW church next to CP --- but CISD & FOW couldnt get on same page

Tamina has nothing to do with the roads -- the entire site is in City of Shenandoah -- so it would be joint effort of County & Shenandoh for roads --in case you didnt know after Corp of engineers ok wetlands --- building permits have to be received from City of Shenandoah ( no problem foreseen right now -- but can never tell with politicians )

May be more info than you want --- but these are the facts & why we are stuck with a bad traffic situation --and wetlands that should have been discovered before buying the property --- but hey ! just taxpayers money , doesnt really mean anything

[forest99]

ok, i dont know which one of it was, but one of "teh" woodlands people here is a hinton brother....so please dont go to your power lifting competitions and start trying to figure out who i am....if your the younger hinton, worry about conroe catching up to your precious "teh" woodlands football team...and if your the older hinton, worry about sam houston state whoopin up big time on sfa!!!

[thebiggestfan]

ok, i dont know which one of it was, but one of "teh" woodlands people here is a hinton brother....so please dont go to your power lifting competitions and start trying to figure out who i am....if your the younger hinton, worry about conroe catching up to your precious "teh" woodlands football team...and if your the older hinton, worry about sam houston state whoopin up big time on sfa!!!
Now why would you want to go after a player you have no life at all and you need to jump off a cliff because all you are doing is just gonna make even more embarrassing for cornrow when they lose