Vince Young Stock Dropping

[Favpack]

Unfortunately VY is the man with declining draft stock right now. I tend to agree with the DMNews writer - he needs a top notch agent and adviser. Apparently his family's lawyer is his agent, a family member who's a middle school teacher is his adviser - not what you need/want. You need the best to represent you.

VY scored a 16 on the Wunderlict (sp) test - not good. This test essentially measures your ability to process info. quickly. Peyton Manning scored a 25 (good), Daunte Culpepper scored a 12 (bad). 16 is not good and unfortunately many NFL execs look at this seriously. Anything in the teens is not good. VY should have been preparing for the test, a top agent would have him doing that.

VY didn't show up for the NFL combine to throw - many didn't like that. Drew Cutler from Vandy lit it up - he's now the next Brett Favre, and VY's getting trashed.

Bottom line - the Vince Young camp needs to kick it into gear and not assume you're going top 3. I hate to see it - but these kind of moves can cost you millions - regardless of how silly it sounds.

[jtk1519]

This will all be forgotten after Vince works out in front of scouts at Texas' pro day. Every year, there are a few scouts that whine about guys not working out at the combine, but most scouts, execs and agents will tell you that for guys that are sure fire top 5 picks, it's better for them to work out on their home turf. Their is no upside for a guy like Vince, Bush or Leinart to work out at the combine. They're not going to improve their draft stock. They could in fact hurt their draft stock by putting up a bad time. These guys are doing the right thing by working their tails off at their school's respective pro day where they are the main attraction and will be able to shine in a comfortable environment.

As for the Wonderlic, his score will mean very little and won't effect his draft position. Vince scored just as good or better than Dan Marino (Hall of Famer), Randall Cunningham, Steve McNair, Donavan McNabb, Duante Culpepper, etc., and just a couple points off from the likes of Brett Favre, Mark Brunell, Michael Vick, David Carr, Big Ben, etc. Would you rather have Dan Marino who scored a 14 or Brian Griese who scored a 39? The NFL gives this test some merit, but production and one on one interviews are more important. We know about his production, and by all accounts, Vince has blown some people away in his interviews.

Example: Sean Jones with the Oakland Raiders said...

"All I need to know about Vince Young is that he came up with one of the greatest performances ever in the Rose Bowl," Jones said. "In the fourth quarter, I saw (USC coach) Pete Carroll throw every kind of blitz at Vince. I saw Vince read the blitz and beat the blitz.

BTW, Vince will be taking the Wonderlic again at Texas' pro day so expect a much better score then.

[jtk1519]

BTW, on the subject of "Team Vince"... Vince does have a lot of family members working for him as agents, managers, etc., and I think it has caused a few hiccups here and there, but there are other members of "Team Vince" that are making sure things go smoothly. One is Texas Ex and renowned lawyer Joe Jamail who is providing legal advise and will be working with Vince's contract. I think he is in good hands.

[DirtyHarry01]

Is Mr. jamail doing this work "pro bono"?

[jtk1519]

Is Mr. jamail doing this work "pro bono"?

The NCAA allows boosters to "help" athletes after college to a certain extent. Legal assistance in regards to contracts and things of that nature is one of those things allowed. Mr. Jamail will do it for free I believe as he did for Cedric Benson, Nathan Vasher, Derrick Johnson, etc.

Jamail said Monday he was contacted by Adams two weeks ago and agreed to help out any way he could – without charge – but hadn’t heard from Adams since.

“I imagine I will hear from him again,” Jamail said. “I’ve helped a lot of former Texas players by reviewing their contracts before they sign them – Roy Williams, Cory Redding, there’s a lot of them, Cedric (Benson), Derrick Johnson … . I’m not an agent and I don’t try to be, I just look them over to make sure they’re not getting tricked or fooled.”

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/021406dnspoutlede.2433fb03.html

[Favpack]

John Clayton with ESPN has since said VY's Wonderlic is "adequate". I was also wrong on Peyton - he got a 35 - not 25 - and Eli got a 39. Again - some execs will raise an eyebrow - Al Davis could probably care less.

Look, I know nothing about these tests - and I have full confidence in Vince's selections for his peeps - but if there is one huge question mark in this draft -it is Superman. I hope he goes top 4 - and he should - but draft day always brings some craziness. Can you imagine him sliding out of the top 10? That actually might be his best motivation.

[KT2000]

I'll laugh at any team (who needs a QB) dumb enough to pass on him. The level of analysis done at the combine has always borderlined or flat crossed the line of being ridiculous.

Vince is a game day quarterback. The psychoanalysis and Wunderlic tests are fine and dandy, but when you break the game down it's all about instinctive actions and reactions. You don't have time to use a calculator.

There isn't a test that can measure Vince's value as far as that is concerned. Anyone who is going to be turned off of VY because of a test score is certifiably out of their mind in my opinion.

I haven't been listening to sports radio or ESPN draft analysis because I know how much they love to hang on what scouts are feeding them. Most of it is BS because the scouts want one thing said in public while they work another angle behind the scenes with agents.

If they give Vince another test, it needs to be via NASA in Astronomy so we might figure out what planet he beamed down from.

[Favpack]

I tend to agree with you KT - but these execs are simply analyzing these guys to death - and it is after all, their $10M signing bonuses.

Mel Kiper actually said something I agree with - the draft should be happening right NOW! As in late Feb., early March. We get 2 months of debate, then the draft finally happens, all the high picks miss the May mini-camps and the first part of real camp because their deals aren't done - thus, you get a completely wasted rookie year. Look at Cedric Bensen - a completely wasted year due to holdout. Draft 'em now - and that gives you two months to iron out deals.

[KT2000]

Kiper is 100% right as far as drafting now. It hurts players and organizations to wait as long as they do. The draft should happen the final week in February every year in my opinion.

[TexasRed6x]

Kiper is 100% right as far as drafting now. It hurts players and organizations to wait as long as they do. The draft should happen the final week in February every year in my opinion.
Yeah I agree with you KT. The longer it is the more it hurts the players value in the draft.

[bubbacoach]

I know this is going to get alot of people's panties in a wad, but I am telling you the Vince Young will be an average QB at best in the NFL.:eek:

[TexasRed6x]

I know this is going to get alot of people's panties in a wad, but I am telling you the Vince Young will be an average QB at best in the NFL.:eek:
Yeah. It is a very different game going from college to pro. The defenses are able to figure your game out quicker than the college game. If I were Vince, I would have played his senior year just to be more prepared.

[KT2000]

There's really no way he could have come back after that Rose Bowl win. If you can assure yourself a top 10 pick, it's automatic in my opinion. Get that huge guaranteed signing bonus while you can.

His quick decision making gives him the potential to become a very good pro QB. He has a very quick release and saw the game faster than everyone around him in college. That has to help prepare him for this level. Also, the UT offense is known for being complex as far as verbage/length goes so that will also help him learn a system.

At Virginia Tech, Vick said they'd basically give him 10 base plays and 6 base formations for every game and told him "go win the game". VY never had anything that simple at UT.

Physically, there's never been anything like him that people know of at the QB spot. 6'5, 235 with legit 4.4 speed.

Again, intangibles. Vince has the X factor everyone loves to talk about and then some. Historically, that's counted for a whole heck of a lot when you start talking about the greats in any sports.

He's already left his mark on high school and college as a legend. I think he can become an NFL QB that we look back on 20 years from now and say "he changed the way the game is played."

[Rebel84]

16!

Makes you wonder how he made it at tu!:eek:

KT's Note- We aren't having any more posts/threads like that after the A&M thread debacle.

[Rebel84]

Yeah well that bites cause I didnt see you remove any pics that were posted over there! Keep the playing field level if your gonna pull crap like that! :mad: dang sips

[slorch]

I'll laugh at any team (who needs a QB) dumb enough to pass on him. The level of analysis done at the combine has always borderlined or flat crossed the line of being ridiculous.

Vince is a game day quarterback. The psychoanalysis and Wunderlic tests are fine and dandy, but when you break the game down it's all about instinctive actions and reactions. You don't have time to use a calculator.

There isn't a test that can measure Vince's value as far as that is concerned. Anyone who is going to be turned off of VY because of a test score is certifiably out of their mind in my opinion.

I haven't been listening to sports radio or ESPN draft analysis because I know how much they love to hang on what scouts are feeding them. Most of it is BS because the scouts want one thing said in public while they work another angle behind the scenes with agents.

If they give Vince another test, it needs to be via NASA in Astronomy so we might figure out what planet he beamed down from.
by the same token, if you're as dumb as a brick, no amount of talent will get you through the NFL. Remember how good Ryan Leaf was, good enough to get lil ole Wasu to the Rose Bowl. I personally don't see how you can come out of college as a "student" athlete and not score any better on the little IQ test, but that's just me.

Like I've said before, if it was just physical abilty, it would be called the Olympics, not the NFL. Vince has leadership and desire to go with his talent. I think he will have to learn for 2 years maybe( that's pretty good for any QB,) and then LOOK OUT!

[jtk1519]

Yeah well that bites cause I didnt see you remove any pics that were posted over there! Keep the playing field level if your gonna pull crap like that! :mad: dang sips

pooooooooor aggy :D

[Rebel84]

WTF Ever Fat Boy!:eek:

[jtk1519]

WTF Ever Fat Boy!:eek:

Ahhh... the typical aggy we all know and laugh at. WHOOP! :D

[Rebel84]

Like I Said..... WTF EVER FAT BOY!! :rolleyes:

[KT2000]

slorch, I've never said this to a poster before...

But after you just dropped Ryan Leaf and VY in the same post...I officially disavow all knowledge of your existence. :eek:

I wouldn't walk outside during the next storm in your area because lightning will smiteth thee. Blasphemy.



;)

[Reaganrattler07]

The thing this test measures is his ability to comprehend the 'Pro Game'. Who ever drafts him is not going to be scale their playbook down simply because their quarterback cannot understand it.

It'll be interesting to see. And remember, just cause a coach, manager or other exec says something in public does not mean they say it behind closed doors.

[jtk1519]

Like I Said..... WTF EVER FAT BOY!! :rolleyes:

To paraphrase (with liberties) Roger Ebert... Yes, I am fat, but one day I will be skinny. You however, will always be aggy. You have my pity.

[Favpack]

slorch, I've never said this to a poster before...

But after you just dropped Ryan Leaf and VY in the same post...I officially disavow all knowledge of your existence. :eek:

I wouldn't walk outside during the next storm in your area because lightning will smiteth thee. Blasphemy.


;)

KT's going King James on us.

A question from Wonderlic

8
4
2
1
1/2
1/4
What is the next number in this sequence?

No fair calling your Aggie engineering friend:eek:

Here's another

The boy plays baseball
All baseball players wear hats
Does the boy wear a hat?

Answers are found on the back of your cereal box - and there's a toy inside.

[Rebel84]

To paraphrase (with liberties) Roger Ebert... Yes, I am fat, but one day I will be skinny. You however, will always be aggy. You have my pity.

Yep, you got it ! An Aggie with a diploma, something you will never have from tu. You and vy!:D :D And BTW, I dont need nor want your pity, thank you very much:rolleyes:

[jtk1519]

The thing this test measures is his ability to comprehend the 'Pro Game'. Who ever drafts him is not going to be scale their playbook down simply because their quarterback cannot understand it.

No, it doesn't. In fact, the actual wonderlic has little if anything to do with football. There are a variety of questions, so it is possible to get a couple of football related questions, but it is also possible to get none.

Here is a sample of actual Wonderlic questions...

Look at the row of numbers below. What number comes next?

8, 4, 2, 1, 1/2, 1/4 ?

A. 4
B. 1/2
C. 1/8
D. 1/4
E. 1

The hours of daylight and darkness in SEPTEMBER are nearest equal to the hours of daylight and darkness in:

A. June
B. March
C. May
D. November

In printing an article of 48,000 words, a printer decides to use two sizes of type. Using the larger type, a printed page contains 1,800 words. Using smaller type, a page contains 2,400 words. The article is allotted 21 full pages in a magazine. How many pages must be in smaller type?

Three individuals form a partnership and agree to divide the profits equally. X invests $9,000, Y invests $7,000, Z invests $4,000. If the profits are $4,800, how much less does X receive than if the profits were divided in proportion to the amount invested?

When the Wonderlic does ask a football related question, it is usually very simple. Example...

Peyton Manning was drafted in what year?

A. 1998
B. 1999
C. 2000
D. 2001

Deffensive holding results in what penalty?

A. 5 yards
B. 10 yards
C. 15 yards
D. ejection

The Wonderlic has NOTHING to do with plays, reading defenses or playbooks. It has nothing to do with the actual game of football. It is nothing more than a test to see how quickly you think when confronted with a wide range of questions.

[jtk1519]

An Aggie with a diploma

Well I'll be damned. You and I have something in common. I also have toilet paper.

[Slim-Rob]

I tend to agree with you KT - but these execs are simply analyzing these guys to death - and it is after all, their $10M signing bonuses.

Mel Kiper actually said something I agree with - the draft should be happening right NOW! As in late Feb., early March. We get 2 months of debate, then the draft finally happens, all the high picks miss the May mini-camps and the first part of real camp because their deals aren't done - thus, you get a completely wasted rookie year. Look at Cedric Bensen - a completely wasted year due to holdout. Draft 'em now - and that gives you two months to iron out deals.

The knee injury didn't help much either...

[Rebel84]

Well I'll be damned. You and I have something in common. I also have toilet paper.

Damned you are....:rolleyes: No need trying to explain it either cause we all know better!:D :D :D
Common? ...... NEVER, not even on your birthday!

Thanks Im Done

[Reaganrattler07]

No, it doesn't. In fact, the actual wonderlic has little if anything to do with football. There are a variety of questions, so it is possible to get a couple of football related questions, but it is also possible to get none.

Here is a sample of actual Wonderlic questions...









When the Wonderlic does ask a football related question, it is usually very simple. Example...





The Wonderlic has NOTHING to do with plays, reading defenses or playbooks. It has nothing to do with the actual game of football. It is nothing more than a test to see how quickly you think when confronted with a wide range of questions.

It indirectly has something to do with it. It tests your intelligence. If you can't understand simple elementary school questions. Then you may have a hard time grasping pro football's complex ways.

[jtk1519]

It indirectly has something to do with it. It tests your intelligence. If you can't understand simple elementary school questions. Then you may have a hard time grasping pro football's complex ways.

Tell that to Dan Marino.

[KT2000]

Tell that to Dan Marino.

The laces were in.

[Reaganrattler07]

Tell that to Dan Marino.

Hmm...best quarterback to NEVER win a Superbowl?

Where's that other list(that's considerably longer) of other quarterbacks that scored low?

[slorch]

slorch, I've never said this to a poster before...

But after you just dropped Ryan Leaf and VY in the same post...I officially disavow all knowledge of your existence. :eek:

I wouldn't walk outside during the next storm in your area because lightning will smiteth thee. Blasphemy.



;)
I aint never been skeered of no steer gods anyways...

[jtk1519]

Damned you are....:rolleyes: No need trying to explain it either cause we all know better!:D :D :D

Damned to a lifetime of laughing at aggy and their futile attempts to prove to the world they are something more than the insignificant gomers they really are. It's a tough life, but generations before me have laughed and I suspect I can carry the torch when it is passed to me.

aggy is like those kids that rode the short bus to school. Sure, you can point and laugh for a while, but eventually you just pity them while occasionally chuckling at their futile desperation.

[KT2000]

The funny thing is, none of the pro players I've heard interviewed on the Wunderlic (past and present) think it bears any meaning as to Vince Young's potential.

Some Aggie supporters and talking heads are the only ones making a big deal out of it as far as I can see.

[jtk1519]

Hmm...best quarterback to NEVER win a Superbowl?

Where's that other list(that's considerably longer) of other quarterbacks that scored low?

QBs that scored below average...

Brett Favre
Steve McNair
Randall Cunningham
Jeff George
Vinny Testeverde
Michael Vick
Duante Culpepper
Aaron Brooks
Donovan McNabb
Kordell Stewart
Trent Dilfer
Mark Brunell

BTW, the average score for QBs is less than 24.

[slorch]

The funny thing is, none of the pro players I've heard interviewed on the Wunderlic (past and present) think it bears any meaning as to Vince Young's potential.

Some Aggie supporters and talking heads are the only ones making a big deal out of it as far as I can see.
so I guess you did see that I was not linking VY to the 20 IQ boy(Leaf), just illustrating that VY has leadership and desire that seperates him from the rest. Please don't sick the horn gods on me. LOL

[jtk1519]

The funny thing is, none of the pro players I've heard interviewed on the Wunderlic (past and present) think it bears any meaning as to Vince Young's potential.

Some Aggie supporters and talking heads are the only ones making a big deal out of it as far as I can see.

I haven't even heard any talking heads making a case of it. The former GM of the Miami Dolphins was interviewed on Cold Pizza this morning and he just kind of laughed it off. The Wonderlic has nothing to do with the game of football.

[Reaganrattler07]

QBs that scored below average...

Brett Favre
Steve McNair
Randall Cunningham
Jeff George
Vinny Testeverde
Michael Vick
Duante Culpepper
Aaron Brooks
Donovan McNabb
Kordell Stewart
Trent Dilfer
Mark Brunell

BTW, the average score for QBs is less than 24.

I don't mind the 24. But a 6 is just scary, I don't care who you are.

Now, if I'm not mistaken....only one of those players has won a Superbowl(Favre). Feel free to correct me cause I may have overlooked a player or two.

[KT2000]

so I guess you did see that I was not linking VY to the 20 IQ boy(Leaf), just illustrating that VY has leadership and desire that seperates him from the rest. Please don't sick the horn gods on me. LOL

See JTK's post above to discredit that.

BTW...I just saw Eli Manning's "Cribs" episode on MTV, his Wunderlic scantron was on the fridge.

[slorch]

QBs that scored below average...

Brett Favre
Steve McNair
Randall Cunningham
Jeff George
Vinny Testeverde
Michael Vick
Duante Culpepper
Aaron Brooks
Donovan McNabb
Kordell Stewart
Trent Dilfer
Mark Brunell

BTW, the average score for QBs is less than 24.
well at least 2 of em won a ring, even if Dilfer's was due to an awesome D. If that's what you want to set the bar for VY, I don't know if he would agree to that standard...he seems to have some lofty goals that he goes after.

[Reaganrattler07]

I haven't even heard any talking heads making a case of it. The former GM of the Miami Dolphins was interviewed on Cold Pizza this morning and he just kind of laughed it off. The Wonderlic has nothing to do with the game of football.

Then why test players on it? The only ones defedning this are the pure Vince lovers. And the people who discount this, their only excuse is "just watch him in college". I hate to break it to you but COLLEGE IS DIFFERENT.

[Reaganrattler07]

Who did Dilfer win with? Being on the bench doesn't count.

[KT2000]

I hate to break it to you but COLLEGE IS DIFFERENT.

Do you seriously think we (despite being Horn fans) don't know that?

[Reaganrattler07]

Do you seriously think we (despite being Horn fans) don't know that?

I hope not....but some of the "analysts" and such on ESPN think that just cause your good in college that you'll be good in the NFL.

[jtk1519]

Who did Dilfer win with? Being on the bench doesn't count.

Dilfer won the Superbowl with the Ravens. The only time he was on the bench was when the defense was on the field because otherwise he was under center.

[slorch]

Who did Dilfer win with? Being on the bench doesn't count.
the ravens, and he started

[Reaganrattler07]

Oh alright then.

[jtk1519]

I don't mind the 24. But a 6 is just scary, I don't care who you are.

Now, if I'm not mistaken....only one of those players has won a Superbowl(Favre). Feel free to correct me cause I may have overlooked a player or two.

He didn't score a 6. That's the whole point. The NFL said he didn't score a 6.

[slorch]

nevermind

[jtk1519]

Forget it.

[Reaganrattler07]

He didn't score a 6. That's the whole point. The NFL said he didn't score a 6.

He still scored 6 the first time. And like what 15 the second?

[jtk1519]

He still scored 6 the first time. And like what 15 the second?

The NFL said the first test was void because it was not given properly. The guy giving the test admitted to his mistake.

[Slim-Rob]

He still scored 6 the first time. And like what 15 the second?

What did Brunnell score? Ramsey?

[KT2000]

No, the 6 was not a confirmed score. Some journalist ran with it. 16 is the actual score.

[jtk1519]

What did Brunnell score? Ramsey?

Ramsey scored a 32 and Brunell scored a 22. BTW, Washington's 1st round draft pick last year, QB Jason Campbell, scored a 14

[Favpack]

jtk - surely you're not attempting to state the case that UT football players are brighter upstairs than Aggie players? Please don't go there - you'll be disappointed -- and you know it. Neither will pass for Stanford, Michigan or Duke....Alabama or LSU - maybe.

[jtk1519]

jtk - surely you're not attempting to state the case that UT football players are brighter upstairs than Aggie players? Please don't go there - you'll be disappointed -- and you know it. Neither will pass for Stanford, Michigan or Duke....Alabama or LSU - maybe.

I'm not saying either school produces football players that could go on to win a Nobel Prize, but Texas produces a QB that scores a 16 on the Wonderlic. aggy produces this...

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/5209/aggycriminals1jt.jpg

How bright are you when the best thing you can think of to do with your time is pull up in a parking lot next to some girls and start beating your meat for God and everybody to see?

I rest my case.

[Rebel84]

Damned to a lifetime of laughing at aggy and their futile attempts to prove to the world they are something more than the insignificant gomers they really are. It's a tough life, but generations before me have laughed and I suspect I can carry the torch when it is passed to me.

aggy is like those kids that rode the short bus to school. Sure, you can point and laugh for a while, but eventually you just pity them while occasionally chuckling at their futile desperation.


You would know about the short bus now wouldnt ya? We can tell in your futile attempt to show everyone how much you THINK you know. Just explain why you didnt go to college....Did you score a 6 as well?
blah, blah, blah, blah......... thats all we ever get. Hey did you at least graduate from cooper? The only way you know how to try and make yourself look better than anyone else is by constantly cutting people down. And Im not the only one that thinks of you like that, Its just im the only one that isnt afraid to say it. So... That being said, I know your game and a crappy game it is.

[tailgater]

Look guys - I don't care what he scored. The guy has proven himself as a leader. His teammates will respond to him. He has the "it" factor. Put that in your *&&^( grade book. God has given him a unique talent and I hope he takes every advantage of it. And if the GM's don't see that (you listening Charlie Casserly) then they are not only dumb but stupid.

[jtk1519]

Just explain why you didnt go to college....Did you score a 6 as well?

After graduating from Cooper in May of 2000, I enrolled in school and completed one semester. I took the Spring semester off to get some financial dealings in order. That Summer, my brother, who was a soph. at Abilene High, contracted a dangerous form of viral encephalitis. He had a massive seizure while sitting next to me in the car. The seizure sent him into a coma for 2 weeks and severely damaged his brain. When he was finally released from the hospital, he came home with severe memory and minor seizure problems. Since that time, he has had several major seizures that have led to hospitalization and literally hundreds more that continue to impede his progress.

So, to answer your question, I haven't finished school because I have spent the better part of the last four years with my parents fighting the AISD to allow my brother to come back and finish school. Since they refused, I have been helping him work on his GED which he hopes to have very soon. I applied and was accepted to The University of Texas for the Fall of 2003, but my brother's health made it impossible for me to leave. We are both hoping that he can finish his GED and we both have plans to move to Austin this Summer where I can finally get back to school. He wants to attend Austin Community College.

I wont rush things with him or myself. One day, I will have my diploma from The University of Texas, but I wont do so at the expense of my time with him. I hope that meets with your approval, but frankly, I don't really care.

[Favpack]

Look guys - I don't care what he scored. The guy has proven himself as a leader. His teammates will respond to him. He has the "it" factor. Put that in your *&&^( grade book. God has given him a unique talent and I hope he takes every advantage of it. And if the GM's don't see that (you listening Charlie Casserly) then they are not only dumb but stupid.
I'll agree with that -- Maybe the Texans trade down and take him 4th or 5th.

[Favpack]

I'm not saying either school produces football players that could go on to win a Nobel Prize, but Texas produces a QB that scores a 16 on the Wonderlic. aggy produces this...

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/5209/aggycriminals1jt.jpg

How bright are you when the best thing you can think of to do with your time is pull up in a parking lot next to some girls and start beating your meat for God and everybody to see?

I rest my case.

I usually don't shout hypocrisy jtk..... but, look really close at the bottom of that page you linked. There, do you see it?

It says.....

Site created by Ricky Williams

:D :eek:

[Slim-Rob]

After graduating from Cooper in May of 2000, I enrolled in school and completed one semester. I took the Spring semester off to get some financial dealings in order. That Summer, my brother, who was a soph. at Abilene High, contracted a dangerous form of viral encephalitis. He had a massive seizure while sitting next to me in the car. The seizure sent him into a coma for 2 weeks and severely damaged his brain. When he was finally released from the hospital, he came home with severe memory and minor seizure problems. Since that time, he has had several major seizures that have led to hospitalization and literally hundreds more that continue to impede his progress.

So, to answer your question, I haven't finished school because I have spent the better part of the last four years with my parents fighting the AISD to allow my brother to come back and finish school. Since they refused, I have been helping him work on his GED which he hopes to have very soon. I applied and was accepted to The University of Texas for the Fall of 2003, but my brother's health made it impossible for me to leave. We are both hoping that he can finish his GED and we both have plans to move to Austin this Summer where I can finally get back to school. He wants to attend Austin Community College.

I wont rush things with him or myself. One day, I will have my diploma from The University of Texas, but I wont do so at the expense of my time with him. I hope that meets with your approval, but frankly, I don't really care.

Shut you up Rebel84....

jtk, It's great how your helping your brother. I'm sorry he ended up contracting that virus, but its good to hear he is alive and still planning on attending college!

[TexasRed6x]

KT's going King James on us.

A question from Wonderlic

8
4
2
1
1/2
1/4
What is the next number in this sequence?

No fair calling your Aggie engineering friend:eek:

Here's another

The boy plays baseball
All baseball players wear hats
Does the boy wear a hat?

Answers are found on the back of your cereal box - and there's a toy inside.
LOL:D

[Rebel84]

Brooooother! :rolleyes:

[jtk1519]

I usually don't shout hypocrisy jtk..... but, look really close at the bottom of that page you linked. There, do you see it?

It says.....

Site created by Ricky Williams

:D :eek:

It may be the other Ricky Williams (Tech's) because I got that image off a Tech board.

[Rebel84]

Shut you up Rebel84....

jtk, It's great how your helping your brother. I'm sorry he ended up contracting that virus, but its good to hear he is alive and still planning on attending college!
Hardly......

[Slim-Rob]

You would know about the short bus now wouldnt ya? We can tell in your futile attempt to show everyone how much you THINK you know. Just explain why you didnt go to college....Did you score a 6 as well?
blah, blah, blah, blah......... thats all we ever get. Hey did you at least graduate from cooper? The only way you know how to try and make yourself look better than anyone else is by constantly cutting people down. And Im not the only one that thinks of you like that, Its just im the only one that isnt afraid to say it. So... That being said, I know your game and a crappy game it is.
Hardly.... my .....

You trashed him and all he is doing is helping his little brother.

[KT2000]

Just an FYI for present and future topics (mainly directed at Reb84)...stay away from personal attacks otherwise just drop me a PM or just tell me to ban you in the thread. It'd save me a couple seconds that way. Thanks.

[jtk1519]

Shut you up Rebel84....

jtk, It's great how your helping your brother. I'm sorry he ended up contracting that virus, but its good to hear he is alive and still planning on attending college!

A lot of prayers have helped including those from the Little Southwest Conference family. My brother had a pretty bad seizure probably a year and a half ago. I was so stressed out when I got home from the hospital. I made a post on the LSWC site and just asked for prayers. The outpour of support was amazing and I have yet to forget that (don't think I ever will).

I've been called a T-shirt fan and bashed by the short bus crowd for a while now, but I wouldn't trade a second of my life the last 5 years for a diploma. I'll get that in due time. The time with loved ones is far too precious to give up.

[Slim-Rob]

A lot of prayers have helped including those from the Little Southwest Conference family. My brother had a pretty bad seizure probably a year and a half ago. I was so stressed out when I got home from the hospital. I made a post on the LSWC site and just asked for prayers. The outpour of support was amazing and I have yet to forget that (don't think I ever will).

I've been called a T-shirt fan and bashed by the short bus crowd for a while now, but I wouldn't trade a second of my life the last 5 years for a diploma. I'll get that in due time. The time with loved ones is far too precious to give up.

My prayers will be for your bro tonight man. I hope you both succeed.

[Rebel84]

Just an FYI for present and future topics (mainly directed at Reb84)...stay away from personal attacks otherwise just drop me a PM or just tell me to ban you in the thread. It'd save me a couple seconds that way. Thanks.

You got it KT... Does this go for everyone or only Aggies? Just asking is all.

[KT2000]

You aren't the only Aggie supporter in on this thread. You are the only one who's really overstepped in my opinion.

[Rebel84]

You aren't the only Aggie supporter in on this thread. You are the only one who's really overstepped in my opinion.

Okay, thats fair. My apolgies to you.

[Firebird]

Back to the original topic of this thread....

VY has assured himself a spot high in the draft not because of his Wonderlic scores or his throwing motion, but because no pro scout or coach can help looking at him and his game films and NOT think "What if...."

He is 6"5 and 235 pounds, he could have been playing defensive end at several D-1 colleges, yet he has legitamate 4.4 speed. He has the moves of Mike Vick but the size of Ben Rothelisberger. But, more than that, he is perhaps the most astonishing game day qb that the college game has seen in decades. He just flat GETS IT DONE! He will go high because you can't NOT draft him high, it is cliched but he has more "upside" than anyone in the draft.

The Wonderlic score might hurt him a tad, but at most it will cement Reggie Bush's spot as the number 1 pick, which was all but a foregone conclusion anyway. Vince will probably go top 3, almost definetly top 5, and mark my words, in no circumstance (barring a freak injury of some sort) drop out of the top 10. He will be counting his worth in the tens of millions after he is signed and in camp.

Is he a certain future star in the NFL? No. Nobody is, especially at the QB position. But with the right coach, and the right team, he has the chance to redefine the game of pro football.

[odessapermian.com]

Dan Marino scored a 14, while Quincy Carter scored a 30. Now, can we all agree that the Wonderlic Test means absolutely nothing?

[Reaganrattler07]

Ramsey scored a 32 and Brunell scored a 22. BTW, Washington's 1st round draft pick last year, QB Jason Campbell, scored a 14

I believe it was 28 for Campbell.

[Reaganrattler07]

The NFL said the first test was void because it was not given properly. The guy giving the test admitted to his mistake.

How the heck can you "unproperly" give a test.

Here's your test, you have 12 minutes....man, that's hard.

[Firebird]

Wait till you have to take the SAT. There are all sorts of things the administrators can do to invalidate the test results.

[Reaganrattler07]

I'm not saying either school produces football players that could go on to win a Nobel Prize, but Texas produces a QB that scores a 16 on the Wonderlic. aggy produces this...

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/5209/aggycriminals1jt.jpg

How bright are you when the best thing you can think of to do with your time is pull up in a parking lot next to some girls and start beating your meat for God and everybody to see?

I rest my case.

I skimmed through that picture and couldn't help but notice "marijuana posession". Have you so conveniently decided to forget about that one running back...oh, whats his name...OH, Ricky Williams:rolleyes:

[Reaganrattler07]

Wait till you have to take the SAT. There are all sorts of things the administrators can do to invalidate the test results.

Lol, the SAT and Wonderlic and are like apples and oranges. One is significantly longer and more important.

[Slim-Rob]

I skimmed through that picture and couldn't help but notice "marijuana posession". Have you so conveniently decided to forget about that one running back...oh, whats his name...OH, Ricky Williams:rolleyes:

rofl, they werent talking about him though

[Firebird]

But the principle still applies, Rattler. The administrator can screw up in his administration of the test, rendering it invalid.

[jtk1519]

I skimmed through that picture and couldn't help but notice "marijuana posession". Have you so conveniently decided to forget about that one running back...oh, whats his name...OH, Ricky Williams:rolleyes:

How many times was he arrested for possession while at Texas? All the guys you see in that aggy picture were arrested while members of the aTm football team.

I'm not going to defend Ricky Williams here. What he did and does in private is his own business, but he has been a less than stellar representative of The University since he left.

[Daniel Agnew]

I find it funny that some of you guys are judging Young on something that means jack s**t to the game. Bottom line is the man is a great college player & let's see if he can do this with the big boys.

I do travel a lot & there's dumb ***** everywhere, in UT, A&M, Tech, Angelo, etc. etc., they are like roaches you try to get rid of them but they just keep coming.

Rebel84 you were a little out of line there don't go for a guys family(we've had our disagreements) but I am surprised that you went that far.

[mtbray]

How the heck can you "unproperly" give a test.

Here's your test, you have 12 minutes....man, that's hard.

Almost as hard as saying "improperly" rather than "unproperly." I wonder how well you would do on the wonderlic.

Way to represent your beloved M&A.

[DirtyHarry01]

You guys continue to amaze me. First, there's the group that wants to spin VINCE's score. "Oh, it really wasn't that bad." Second, there's the group that denies the test is important because VINCE didn't score well on it. "Obviously, the NFL doesn't know what it's doing, and we're smarter than they are." Maybe, the fact that sandlot football, aka VINCE ball, isn't as sophisticated at pro football, so he hasn't had to do a lot of noodle work in the past. Since I'm not an "expert," as all of you pretend to be, I have no idea how he will perform, nor do I care. You guys have created the legend, so deal with it. I remember a "can't miss" quarterback from a few years ago, Akili Smith. Where is he now?

[KT2000]

The names being dropped in this thread in conjunction with Vince Young continue to baffle me.

Ryan Leaf and now Akili Smith? Come on now. It's really getting ridiculous. What did either of them accomplish in their college careers that's anywhere near what Young ended up doing? Leaf played in a Rose Bowl (never a two time Rose Bowl MVP or a National Champion who willed his team to victory), and scored very highly on the Wonderlic.

Also, I found further evidence of the media's overwhelming desire to report absolute BS when it comes to the Draft. John Clayton, ESPN NFL Analyst, said he thought Vince's Wonderlic score would be very damaging. The two players who also scored a 16 (Donovan McNabb and Dan Marino) were top five picks. Steve McNair, who scored a 15, was also a top pick. It's easy to see how much Eli Manning's Wonderlic score has helped him in the league, and brother Peyton in getting to the Super Bowl.

Oh, brings me to my next point, guess what else those three QBs (Marino, McNair and McNabb) have in common....they all played in a Super Bowl.

ESPN, other networks and the print media get most of their "inside information" from scouts and agents. None of the actual teams are going to be dumb enough to come out in public and divulge the details of their draft plans. Obviously, scouts and agents all have hidden agendas. They want to get as many smoke screens up as possible regarding prospects.

[Reaganrattler07]

You guys continue to amaze me. First, there's the group that wants to spin VINCE's score. "Oh, it really wasn't that bad." Second, there's the group that denies the test is important because VINCE didn't score well on it. "Obviously, the NFL doesn't know what it's doing, and we're smarter than they are." Maybe, the fact that sandlot football, aka VINCE ball, isn't as sophisticated at pro football, so he hasn't had to do a lot of noodle work in the past. Since I'm not an "expert," as all of you pretend to be, I have no idea how he will perform, nor do I care. You guys have created the legend, so deal with it. I remember a "can't miss" quarterback from a few years ago, Akili Smith. Where is he now?

AMEN!!!

[Reaganrattler07]

How many times was he arrested for possession while at Texas? All the guys you see in that aggy picture were arrested while members of the aTm football team.

I'm not going to defend Ricky Williams here. What he did and does in private is his own business, but he has been a less than stellar representative of The University since he left.

If you think that he just "picked up" all this stuff AFTER he left college. That is just flat out baffling. I know you'll never see through your organe tinted glasses that perhaps Texas isn't all that forthcomming about their problems.

[ktchamp97]

First of all, he did not score a 6. Not on the first time, not ever. The test was improperly graded or the report of a 6 was completely false. There are several different versions of the Wonderlic, and apparently they use some sort of stencil to grade each of the versions. One theory is that the grader initially used the wrong stencil for the test version Vince took. The other theory is that someone purposefully, or perhaps mistakenly, leaked an incorrect score.

On top of that, there are reports that Vince had no idea (because his agents failed to inform him) that he would have to take such a test. Why does this matter, you ask? I've taken a Wonderlic test (I never got my score, but that's another topic for another day...) and if you don't understand the nature of the test, or the questions it presents, it would be very easy to get hung up and score much lower than your true intelligence level.

The test is 50 questions in 12 minutes. It is designed so that most people WILL NOT finish the test; therefore, if you come to a question that you don't understand, you should skip it and complete as many manageable questions as possible so as to maximize your score. If you didn't know that going in, and you came upon a hard question and you wasted 2 or 3 minutes trying to figure it out, you will score much lower than you should otherwise. People have posted sample questions from Wonderlic tests and laughed at the difficulty level, but the fact is that the test starts out VERY easy and gets progressively more difficult. There are some genuinely tough questions on there and there are many different versions, so don't believe any 'Sample Wonderlic' test you see as being a true representation of the test.

Here's all you need to know about Vince Young's intelligence, as it relates to his profession...

Pete Carroll, an anointed defensive guru (with substantial NFL experience, mind you), had a full month to prepare defensive looks and blitz packages specifically designed to harrass, confuse, and frustrate VY. In the game itself, he threw everything he had at Vince and nothing worked, because Vince was able to read it and react quickly and efficiently to the tune of 467 yards of total offense, leading to 41 points. He completed 30 out of 40 passes (but he can't throw)! He lead the entire nation in passing efficiency! I guess each and every one of the Defensive Coordinators he faced ought to be fired based on a lack of intelligence/job competence...their average Wonderlic score must be around 8.

Vince's intelligence is plenty good enough to excel in the NFL as he has at every other level. The people who had questions about him before will certainly use the Wonderlic fiasco as validation to their previous concerns. Those that were already convinced on his abilities will overlook this whole mess and concentrate on the important measurements...

National Championship winning QB and game MVP
2-time Rose Bowl MVP
30-2 as a starter
Led the nation in passing efficiency
First College Player EVER to pass for 3,000 and rush for 1,000
Uncanny pocket presence
Incredible leadership skills
Tremendous cool under fire
etc, etc...

The teams that pass on Vince will be sorry.

[KT2000]

And the hammer of ktchamp falls...

Brilliant!

[DrEdward]

First of all, he did not score a 6. Not on the first time, not ever. The test was improperly graded or the report of a 6 was completely false. There are several different versions of the Wonderlic, and apparently they use some sort of stencil to grade each of the versions. One theory is that the grader initially used the wrong stencil for the test version Vince took. The other theory is that someone purposefully, or perhaps mistakenly, leaked an incorrect score.

On top of that, there are reports that Vince had no idea (because his agents failed to inform him) that he would have to take such a test. Why does this matter, you ask? I've taken a Wonderlic test (I never got my score, but that's another topic for another day...) and if you don't understand the nature of the test, or the questions it presents, it would be very easy to get hung up and score much lower than your true intelligence level.

The test is 50 questions in 12 minutes. It is designed so that most people WILL NOT finish the test; therefore, if you come to a question that you don't understand, you should skip it and complete as many manageable questions as possible so as to maximize your score. If you didn't know that going in, and you came upon a hard question and you wasted 2 or 3 minutes trying to figure it out, you will score much lower than you should otherwise. People have posted sample questions from Wonderlic tests and laughed at the difficulty level, but the fact is that the test starts out VERY easy and gets progressively more difficult. There are some genuinely tough questions on there and there are many different versions, so don't believe any 'Sample Wonderlic' test you see as being a true representation of the test.



This entire discussion thread is more or less aimed at VY. Fair enough given his horrible scores - 6 or 16 doesn't seem much to write home about either way. A much more interesting question is why so many folks who have made it through at least a few years of college are doing so poorly on such a relatively easy test? No one expects players to score 50, but these tests are simply not that difficult. They attempt to test quick reasoning ability. How suitable they are for predicting performance is an open issue, but surely it is fair to expect more from players who were supposedly attending their university while playing football.

[ktchamp97]

This entire discussion thread is more or less aimed at VY. Fair enough given his horrible scores - 6 or 16 doesn't seem much to write home about either way. A much more interesting question is why so many folks who have made it through at least a few years of college are doing so poorly on such a relatively easy test? No one expects players to score 50, but these tests are simply not that difficult. They attempt to test quick reasoning ability. How suitable they are for predicting performance is an open issue, but surely it is fair to expect more from players who were supposedly attending their university while playing football.

Interesting comments, for sure. I'm not sure how long it's been since you were in college, but from my fairly recent experience, I would say that simply making it through a few years of college is no indication or affirmation of any certain level of intelligence (I don't want to get into a discussion of the Education system in our great country...not in this thread anyway)...especially when it comes to football players, because, not only do they usually take lighter course loads and relatively easy degree plans, but they also receive personal tutors and have accesss to first-class advising and facilities. They are also held to different admissions standards than the normal student (i.e. only needing an 800 SAT and a 2.0 GPA to get in). Just attending, and even graduating, from college doesn't necessarily speak to any level of intelligence for the average student and it certainly doesn't mean much for your average D1 football player.

Combine all of that with the possibility that Vince was unaware and thus unprepared to take this test (see my reasons for why this would matter in the previous post), and you can start to see reasons why he scored poorly. And yes, a 16 is a poor score.

My point is that, in Vince's case, especially since he is going on to be a professional football player and not a physicist, his track record and his proven aptitude for the game of football proves the disputed score worthless. Whether or not someone who's been attending college classes should do better or not is interesting, but, in this discussion, irrelevant. For what it's worth, based on many other factors, I am convinced that Vince is much smarter than a '16', but that is also irrelevant. The man has proven over and over and over again that he is one ****** football player, and that's all he'll be asked to be in the NFL.

[CKE]

Interesting comments, for sure. I'm not sure how long it's been since you were in college, but from my fairly recent experience, I would say that simply making it through a few years of college is no indication or affirmation of any certain level of intelligence (I don't want to get into a discussion of the Education system in our great country...not in this thread anyway)...especially when it comes to football players, because, not only do they usually take lighter course loads and relatively easy degree plans, but they also receive personal tutors and have accesss to first-class advising and facilities. They are also held to different admissions standards than the normal student (i.e. only needing an 800 SAT and a 2.0 GPA to get in). Just attending, and even graduating, from college doesn't necessarily speak to any level of intelligence for the average student and it certainly doesn't mean much for your average D1 football player.

Combine all of that with the possibility that Vince was unaware and thus unprepared to take this test (see my reasons for why this would matter in the previous post), and you can start to see reasons why he scored poorly. And yes, a 16 is a poor score.

My point is that, in Vince's case, especially since he is going on to be a professional football player and not a physicist, his track record and his proven aptitude for the game of football proves the disputed score worthless. Whether or not someone who's been attending college classes should do better or not is interesting, but, in this discussion, irrelevant. For what it's worth, based on many other factors, I am convinced that Vince is much smarter than a '16', but that is also irrelevant. The man has proven over and over and over again that he is one ****** football player, and that's all he'll be asked to be in the NFL.


i think champ need to post some more this is all very good reading

[DrEdward]

Interesting comments, for sure. I'm not sure how long it's been since you were in college, but from my fairly recent experience, I would say that simply making it through a few years of college is no indication or affirmation of any certain level of intelligence (I don't want to get into a discussion of the Education system in our great country...not in this thread anyway)...especially when it comes to football players, because, not only do they usually take lighter course loads and relatively easy degree plans, but they also receive personal tutors and have accesss to first-class advising and facilities. They are also held to different admissions standards than the normal student (i.e. only needing an 800 SAT and a 2.0 GPA to get in). Just attending, and even graduating, from college doesn't necessarily speak to any level of intelligence for the average student and it certainly doesn't mean much for your average D1 football player.

Combine all of that with the possibility that Vince was unaware and thus unprepared to take this test (see my reasons for why this would matter in the previous post), and you can start to see reasons why he scored poorly. And yes, a 16 is a poor score.

My point is that, in Vince's case, especially since he is going on to be a professional football player and not a physicist, his track record and his proven aptitude for the game of football proves the disputed score worthless. Whether or not someone who's been attending college classes should do better or not is interesting, but, in this discussion, irrelevant. For what it's worth, based on many other factors, I am convinced that Vince is much smarter than a '16', but that is also irrelevant. The man has proven over and over and over again that he is one ****** football player, and that's all he'll be asked to be in the NFL.

I would not argue that last point with you champ. I too believe that Young can play ball at the NFL level, regardless of how high or low his score was.
By the way, it has been more than a few years ince I was an undegraduate student back in the 60s and early 70s. However, I also played D1 ball. Have akso been a faculty member at several universities. Academic ability and playing football are not inconsistent, as you are well aware.

[ktchamp97]

I would not argue that last point with you champ. I too believe that Young can play ball at the NFL level, regardless of how high or low his score was.
By the way, it has been more than a few years ince I was an undegraduate student back in the 60s and early 70s. However, I also played D1 ball. Have akso been a faculty member at several universities. Academic ability and playing football are not inconsistent, as you are well aware.

Back when you went to VTech (a fine school, by the way), I'm certain things were much different...the term 'student-athlete' was no doubt much more applicable then.

I do think that people who've attended college, athletes included, should be able to perform well on these types of tests and I think it's a shame that they don't. I don't think that the schools today challenge people the way they used to...the emphasis seems to be on getting people through the system rather than making sure they actually learn something along the way. I don't think kids are dumb, I just don't think they're challenged enough. If you don't expect much, they won't give you much.

When I was at UT, I had several international students as TA's working towards their Masters degrees that, upon enrolling at a fine American school, were shocked at how easy it was for them. Also, my line of work has allowed me to meet many people from many different countries (who also attended grad school in the US) who echoed that sentiment. Obviously, the environment in those countries is different, and those that I've met are the cream of their respective crops, but it does show that if you challenge people, they can accomplish great things.

Going forward, I think we should hold students to a higher standard. This, as you well know, is much easier said than done, but it has to start somewhere.

[Favpack]

ktchamp - you actually made one of my points. Vince's agent failed to tell him what the test was all about. Well - kudos for this "agent" potentially costing Vince millions. Team Vince should have at least let Vince know what the test was about.

[KT2000]

I would have thought Steve McNair might slip something about a test in one of their conversations. Hard to believe he was caught that off guard given he speaks with McNair often seeking advice. I'd think those two would be on the horn 24-7 since the Rose Bowl.

Right after the Rose Bowl, it was said Vince would hire the same agent as McNair and Brett Favre. I guess that fell through with the lawyer he evidently has now.

[KT2000]

I don't really buy into Vince losing millions because of his performance on the test. That'd be ridiculous.

As soon as he meets and works out for individual teams, that stuff will fly out the window in my opinion.

Donovan McNabb, Steve McNair, Michael Vick and Dan Marino all scored exactly like Vince or one point from it. They were all top five picks (maybe even top three, not sure about McNabb).

[dragonsdaddy]

any team who decides he can't play based on this test deserves to continue picking that high in the draft. vy has a built in insurance policy in this draft. on the outside chance that he's a qb bust, he can always play wr. maybe not worth a top ten pick as such, but still valuable none the less.

[Daniel Agnew]

Donovan McNabb, Steve McNair, Michael Vick and Dan Marino all scored exactly like Vince or one point from it. They were all top five picks (maybe even top three, not sure about McNabb).

McNabb was the No. 2 pick the '98 draft. I don't think the Wonderlic hurt his career any.

[jtk1519]

If you think that he just "picked up" all this stuff AFTER he left college. That is just flat out baffling. I know you'll never see through your organe tinted glasses that perhaps Texas isn't all that forthcomming about their problems.

I didn't say he picked it up after college and I frankly don't know how you arrived at that conclusion. All I said is that he never got caught. It is well know that Ricky was an occasional user while he lived in Austin. The NFL and it's money just exasperated the problem.

BTW, how can you accuse me of wearing "orange tinted" glasses in regards to Ricky when I have been one of his biggest and most vocal critics. The ignorance of that statement is overwhelming.

[Favpack]

I don't really buy into Vince losing millions because of his performance on the test. That'd be ridiculous.

As soon as he meets and works out for individual teams, that stuff will fly out the window in my opinion.

Donovan McNabb, Steve McNair, Michael Vick and Dan Marino all scored exactly like Vince or one point from it. They were all top five picks (maybe even top three, not sure about McNabb).

I hope you're right, they need to just keep handing out dvd's of the Rose Bowl - both of 'em!!

[KT2000]

Hand out Rose Bowl DVDs in addition to the 28 other wins.

[Slim-Rob]

nice points KTs

[tailgater]

Listen - All Vince has to do is keep it cool and go thru the motions- he is too good to pass up (are you listening Charlie Casserly) - He will be top notch - he will make his money - I just hope he stays humble and just continues to play like it's fun.

People just want to take down the king of the hill.

[Slim-Rob]

example problem:

4. How many of the five pairs of items listed below are exact duplicates?
Nieman, K.M.--------Neiman, K.M.
Thomas, G.K.-------Thomas, C.K.
Hoff, J.P.--------------Hoff, J.P.
Pino, L.R.-------------Pina, L.R.
Warner, T.S.---------Wanner, T.S.

the answer is 1. Tell me thats easy to do in a hurry....

[tailgater]

example problem:

4. How many of the five pairs of items listed below are exact duplicates?
Nieman, K.M.--------Neiman, K.M.
Thomas, G.K.-------Thomas, C.K.
Hoff, J.P.--------------Hoff, J.P.
Pino, L.R.-------------Pina, L.R.
Warner, T.S.---------Wanner, T.S.

the answer is 1. Tell me thats easy to do in a hurry....


There must nothing to do in Sunrise

[Slim-Rob]

I found a sample one...9 questions 2 minutes. The real test is 50 questions 12 minutes I think....

It even has a timer.... (http://www.efplfp.stealingisgood.com/wpt.html)

I got 8 out of 9. The thing says thats aproximatly a 44. But I only answered 9 questions, they have to do 50...

EDIT: this is where you get the score, and where I got this from...: http://www.angelfire.com/fl3/existence/wonderlic.html

[Slim-Rob]

There must nothing to do in Sunrise

lol. There is stuff to do, I just don't want to break the law:D

[tailgater]

lol. There is stuff to do, I just don't want to break the law:D

Ok - just checking.

[Slim-Rob]

Ok - just checking.

rofl. I post a sample and you wonder if there is anything to do in Sunrise? I posted this to show there ARE some hard questions on here, if you don't pay attention to what you are doing.

[Slim-Rob]

I found a sample one...9 questions 2 minutes. The real test is 50 questions 12 minutes I think....

It even has a timer.... (http://www.efplfp.stealingisgood.com/wpt.html)

I got 8 out of 9. The thing says thats aproximatly a 44. But I only answered 9 questions, they have to do 50...

EDIT: this is where you get the score, and where I got this from...: http://www.angelfire.com/fl3/existence/wonderlic.html

I missed #5. The answer is 4. I'm such a dumny. All I had to do was count the number of sides. LOL, didn't think about that in the rush...

[Reaganrattler07]

I didn't say he picked it up after college and I frankly don't know how you arrived at that conclusion. All I said is that he never got caught. It is well know that Ricky was an occasional user while he lived in Austin. The NFL and it's money just exasperated the problem.

BTW, how can you accuse me of wearing "orange tinted" glasses in regards to Ricky when I have been one of his biggest and most vocal critics. The ignorance of that statement is overwhelming.

You said he was good in college about it. Now, was Ricky good at not getting caught or was it just a 'coincidence' that he never got caught?

[jtk1519]

You said he was good in college about it. Now, was Ricky good at not getting caught or was it just a 'coincidence' that he never got caught?

You tell me. Were the aggy players in question just that unlucky or were they just too stupid to get away with it?

[SVite]

In the Mock draft #2 Vince drops to #8,Oakland Raaadeers

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cr-mockdraft030106&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[DirtyHarry01]

According to the Katys on this board, there's nothing VINCE does that can't be rationalized. I believe one of the strongest VINCE backers on this board said that VINCE would never charge for autographs and pictures. Oops, he did. My question is what would VINCE have to do to make the Katys stop explaining it away? Looks like hero worship to the extreme to me.

[dada]

According to the Katys on this board, there's nothing VINCE does that can't be rationalized. I believe one of the strongest VINCE backers on this board said that VINCE would never charge for autographs and pictures. Oops, he did. My question is what would VINCE have to do to make the Katys stop explaining it away? Looks like hero worship to the extreme to me.
What do you have against the Katy's? And I was at the book signing...it wasnt VINCE charging for the autographs...it was the company that publised the book.

[SVite]

According to the Katys on this board, there's nothing VINCE does that can't be rationalized. I believe one of the strongest VINCE backers on this board said that VINCE would never charge for autographs and pictures. Oops, he did. My question is what would VINCE have to do to make the Katys stop explaining it away? Looks like hero worship to the extreme to me.

Now heres a walking talking Hate crime!Harry your a Vince stalker,and Katy hater.I`m a Vince backer,and believer that he can be a good qb at the next level.If Vince was from around where i lived,i`d be backing him like "the katys" too!He`s an awsome athelete,and story.And he should`nt have to go through all this negative press that our wonderful media has weighted on him.What did you acomplish by the age of 21? Was it greater than winning two Rose Bowls in a row,and a national championship,that raised the moral in the great state of Texas? Are you getting ready to become a multi millionaire like Vince,in a couple of months? If your own son had acomplished what Vince has,would you be disapointed in him,and tell him "you`ll never make it in the pros"?

:) Have a nice day:)

[jtk1519]

Note to the Katy boys... You guys are no longer allowed to be fans. :rolleyes:

[nsmustang]

I almost hate to ask this but since I'm old, fat, tired, and don't care what people think, what is a "short bus" ?

[dada]

I almost hate to ask this but since I'm old, fat, tired, and don't care what people think, what is a "short bus" ?
LOL...the little bus that the "special" kids rode on

[Slim-Rob]

I almost hate to ask this but since I'm old, fat, tired, and don't care what people think, what is a "short bus" ?

Special Education buses are shorter(most of the time) than regular school buses.

Therefore when someone says someone should be riding the short bus, they are calling them stupid. (I disagree with this saying because my Neice is disabled, she has Coclear implants so she can hear though, and she is very smart.)

[jtk1519]

I highly recommend listening to Chris Rock talk about the short bus people. :D

[nsmustang]

LOL...the little bus that the "special" kids rode on

Thanks dada- Been outa school way too long but glad to be in the know! LOL

[drgnbkr]

I love the game Vince plays, but if he tries to run in the NFL, he will get busted up just like Vick, Culpepper, McNabb and the others..his raw talent will be an asset, but not as much as in College, he's gonna have to chunk the ball to be successful...IMO

[jtk1519]

I love the game Vince plays, but if he tries to run in the NFL, he will get busted up just like Vick, Culpepper, McNabb and the others..his raw talent will be an asset, but not as much as in College, he's gonna have to chunk the ball to be successful...IMO

I think Vince could very well change our antiquated ideas of what a QB "can" and "cannot" do in the NFL.

[drgnbkr]

I think Vince could very well change our antiquated ideas of what a QB "can" and "cannot" do in the NFL.

He could..I hope he does, it would be interesting to watch..there are just some really mean, big, fast guys that are going to try to break him in two...thats their job...

[Reaganrattler07]

I heard somewhere some people are looking at him as a reciever.....