Tcu

[grayowl60]

Why not?.... Big eleven?
Record shows they can compete in all sports(baseball:eek:)
DFW represents....TV money
renew old rivals (TCU vs Baylor,.. Bible Bowl,etc.)
Same recruiting area
good stadium
etc.
thoughts?

[twcpfan1]

They don't bring in enough money. They're in Fort Worth. aTm and UT already have that market cornered. Nobody outside of Texas has really heard of them.

[lonny23]

They don't bring in enough money. They're in Fort Worth. aTm and UT already have that market cornered. Nobody outside of Texas has really heard of them.I'd like to see your DFW Aggie Army go to war with the DFW Red Raider Army. I'm pretty sure I know who would win!:D

[chhspantherfan]

They don't bring in enough money. They're in Fort Worth. aTm and UT already have that market cornered. Nobody outside of Texas has really heard of them.

really now?

[chhspantherfan]

They don't bring in enough money. They're in Fort Worth. aTm and UT already have that market cornered. Nobody outside of Texas has really heard of them.

they sure didn't have any issues raising 105M for renovations;)

[twcpfan1]

they sure didn't have any issues raising 105M for renovations;)

True but what could they potentially contribute to the Big 12?

[shslb15]

I'd like to see your DFW Aggie Army go to war with the DFW Red Raider Army. I'm pretty sure I know who would win!:D

The aggies would win. No one cares about Tech except the few people who are graduates of that school in the middle of no where.

[the_phoenix612]

Why not?.... Big eleven?
Record shows they can compete in all sports(baseball:eek:)
DFW represents....TV money
renew old rivals (TCU vs Baylor,.. Bible Bowl,etc.)
Same recruiting area
good stadium
etc.
thoughts?
Football and baseball are clearly the only collegiate sports. Remind me how TCU's basketball team did?

[chhspantherfan]

True but what could they potentially contribute to the Big 12?

the 2009-2010 results are not in yet, but last year's are a good reflection of how competitive they would be.

#6 UT
13 TAMU
29 OU
31 NEBRASKA
33 Baylor
35 OK ST
36 Mizzou
42 TCU
57 TT
58 IA ST
69 CO
72 KS
77 KSTATE

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nacda/sports/directorscup/auto_pdf/june29d1.pdf


If you are talking revenue addition, that would remain to be seen as the MWC has a poor deal currently and you can't measure. If you take the Boise St / TCU bowl game into account, they are developing a national interest and are a great story of rising from the ashes and not only surviving, but also prospering. Methinks they would continue their competitive ways and be a fine addition.

[chhspantherfan]

Football and baseball are clearly the only collegiate sports. Remind me how TCU's basketball team did?

pretty poor, but check out the rifle team:D

[lonny23]

The aggies would win. No one cares about Tech except the few people who are graduates of that school in the middle of no where.You should've known I had the trump card when I said that. Tech has more alumni in DFW than A&M!:D

[lonny23]

pretty poor, but check out the rifle team:D
They're average looking girls and normal for TCU.

[chhspantherfan]

They're average looking girls and normal for TCU.

national champions, duh!!

[TulsaHale74]

You should've known I had the trump card when I said that. Tech has more alumni in DFW than A&M!:D
I agree.

Lots of people around here (Fort Worth area) go to Tech. They may stay drunk for four years and not remember much of it but they went.

They had a huge turnout when they played TCU here.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Men's basketball is about the only thing that the 'Frogs wouldn't be competitive in, if they joined the conference.

They're pretty strong in track and field as well but, as said before, it's all about the moolah! Football is the bread winner and, while they are very competitive, they need to stay consistent in fan support.

[The King]

I think TCU & UofH would be good for the Big 12-2 While Texas has been playing once a year in Dallas they would likely like to play every other year or so in Houston so their Houston Fan-base can see them.

Same thing for Tech and A&M both of those schools have a Fan/Alumni Base in Houston.

[LeanderLions3033]

From a college sports perspective it makes perfect sense. Move TCU and U of H in and move OSU and OU to the north. But from a $$$ standpoint it wouldnt make any sense what so ever. Both of those tv markets are already dominated by the big 12 so what would they bring to the table as far as additional viewers go?

One team that i keep hearing thrown around is New Mexico :rolleyes:, So the big 12 can bring in the Albuquerque, NM tv market (which is a top 20 tv market in the country if im not mistaken). Nobody cares about what the fans want, its all about where the most money could be made. I would LOVE to see Arkansas back in the big 12, they never seemed to fit in with the SEC. They belong in the same conference as Texas and A&M. Also, its too bad we couldnt make a harder push at Utah, but the pac 10 was all over them from the start.

Then again, Beebe has said that he doesnt plan on expanding for a while so this may end up being a moot point. We probably wont expand until other conferences come back to start poaching our teams again.

[The King]

From a college sports perspective it makes perfect sense. Move TCU and U of H in and move OSU and OU to the north. But from a $$$ standpoint it wouldnt make any sense what so ever. Both of those tv markets are already dominated by the big 12 so what would they bring to the table as far as additional viewers go?

One team that i keep hearing thrown around is New Mexico :rolleyes:, So the big 12 can bring in the Albuquerque, NM tv market (which is a top 20 tv market in the country if im not mistaken). Nobody cares about what the fans want, its all about where the most money could be made. I would LOVE to see Arkansas back in the big 12, they never seemed to fit in with the SEC. They belong in the same conference as Texas and A&M. Also, its too bad we couldnt make a harder push at Utah, but the pac 10 was all over them from the start.

Then again, Beebe has said that he doesnt plan on expanding for a while so this may end up being a moot point. We probably wont expand until other conferences come back to start poaching our teams again.

This is why I watch college and pro on TV only. Whatever TV I get for Free or Basic Cable. I have the $$ but why spent it on someone who will overcharge or piss me off.

[grayowl60]

They don't bring in enough money. They're in Fort Worth. aTm and UT already have that market cornered. Nobody outside of Texas has really heard of them.
If nobody outside of Texas has really heard of them, they have not been listening. They were rated # 3 or 4 in the week fifteen polls in 09. Ahead of all big 12 teams except one.

[chhspantherfan]

If nobody outside of Texas has really heard of them, they have not been listening. They were rated # 3 or 4 in the week fifteen polls in 09. Ahead of all big 12 teams except one.

but, but, but, but, but, but .........$$$$$$$$$$

[grayowl60]

but, but, but, but, but, but .........$$$$$$$$$$
The only big 12 team in the DFW area,= $$$$$$$$$$
maybe they will be kept out because they are too good

[LeanderLions3033]

The only big 12 team in the DFW area,= $$$$$$$$$$
maybe they will be kept out because they are too good

the only big 12 team in the DFW area in this case wouldnt bring in any additional viewers because the majority of those people arent even TCU fans. Most people that live in the DFW area are spread out between Texas OU and a&m, meaning it wouldnt make any sense from a financial standpoint to bring them in. As a college football fan i would love nothing more than to see TCU in the big 12, as it would make for a more competitive football conference, but its just not gonna happen. And it has nothing to do with them being "too good". Like i said before, nobody cares what the fans want its all about the dollar signs. And if TCU brought that to the table there would already be alot more talk about them joining the conference, but the facts are that they just dont.

[grayowl60]

the only big 12 team in the DFW area in this case wouldnt bring in any additional viewers because the majority of those people arent even TCU fans. Most people that live in the DFW area are spread out between Texas OU and a&m, meaning it wouldnt make any sense from a financial standpoint to bring them in. As a college football fan i would love nothing more than to see TCU in the big 12, as it would make for a more competitive football conference, but its just not gonna happen. And it has nothing to do with them being "too good". Like i said before, nobody cares what the fans want its all about the dollar signs. And if TCU brought that to the table there would already be alot more talk about them joining the conference, but the facts are that they just dont.
Well then, I quess yours and the powers minds are closed. FACT IS this is a football area (DFW) and major college football has been missing for to long. If a competing team was active in this area, and playing Oklahoma, Texas, A&M, Texas, etc. on a regular schedule, I, and many, many others would be watching, attending and pulling for the DFW team..($$$$$$). I would drive to Fort Worth, or be buying games on Pay for view, to watch TCU kick Oklahomas ***. Maybe a few more thousands just like me. TCU would have instant fans if they were in the 'big 12". One of them posted this.

[twcpfan1]

Well then, I quess yours and the powers minds are closed. FACT IS this is a football area (DFW) and major college football has missing for to long. If a competing team was active in this area, and playing Oklahoma, Texas, A&M, Texas, etc. on a regular schedule, I, and many, many others would be watching, attending and pulling for the DFW team.. I would drive to Fort Worth, or buying games on Pay for view, to watch TCU kick Oklahomas ***. Maybe a few more thousands just like me.

Watching UNT and SMU games not good enough for you?

[BDB]

Well then, I quess yours and the powers minds are closed. FACT IS this is a football area (DFW) and major college football has been missing for to long. If a competing team was active in this area, and playing Oklahoma, Texas, A&M, Texas, etc. on a regular schedule, I, and many, many others would be watching, attending and pulling for the DFW team..($$$$$$). I would drive to Fort Worth, or be buying games on Pay for view, to watch TCU kick Oklahomas ***. Maybe a few more thousands just like me. TCU would have instant fans if they were in the 'big 12". One of them posted this.

why don't they have fans now, then?

[grayowl60]

Watching UNT and SMU games not good enough for you?
You got it!

[grayowl60]

why don't they have fans now, then?
Hello? Anybody home? Did you read the post? Try reading it again... :heli:

[chhspantherfan]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/2010/extramustard/hotclicks/01/05/bol-vs.bradley-in-ultimate-footrace/tcu-cheer-big.jpg

[BDB]

Hello? Anybody home? Did you read the post? Try reading it again... :heli:

no i read it... i'm just not understanding why they have to be in the big xii to have fans. boise sells out the place in the wac (i guess sold). somiss and ecu in the c-usa always have a strong following in their market. tcu doesn't have one. i don't understand how joining the big xii will change that.

[twcpfan1]

no i read it... i'm just not understanding why they have to be in the big xii to have fans. boise sells out the place in the wac (i guess sold). somiss and ecu in the c-usa always have a strong following in their market. tcu doesn't have one. i don't understand how joining the big xii will change that.

Rice and UH? The only time they get a decent crowd is when they play Texas and the other Big 12 schools.

TCU will draw better crowds in the Big 12. But the Big 12 cannot possibly benefit from it from it so they're SOL.

[grayowl60]

Rice and UH? The only time they get a decent crowd is when they play Texas and the other Big 12 schools.

TCU will draw better crowds in the Big 12. But the Big 12 cannot possibly benefit from it from it so they're SOL.
College football is not a big draw in DFW because there are no big time attractions, games. at one time college football was the # 1 draw in the area. Even after the C-Boys Texans came to town.
As I have said there are plenty college football fans that would watch top level games. The last twenty years or so.... not so much.
And also as I said, the big 12 could ONLY BENIFIT from team in this size market, with the football interest in this area.
A strong TCU would pull a big following of some of us that watch other big twelve teams, because we dont have a local team. Those other teams dont like that idea

[BDB]

Rice and UH? The only time they get a decent crowd is when they play Texas and the other Big 12 schools.

TCU will draw better crowds in the Big 12. But the Big 12 cannot possibly benefit from it from it so they're SOL.

no i said ecu and somiss IN the c-usa.

[BDB]

College football is not a big draw in DFW because there are no big time attractions, games. at one time college football was the # 1 draw in the area. Even after the C-Boys Texans came to town.
As I have said there are plenty college football fans that would watch top level games. The last twenty years or so.... not so much.
And also as I said, the big 12 could ONLY BENIFIT from team in this size market, with the football interest in this area.
A strong TCU would pull a big following of some of us that watch other big twelve teams, because we dont have a local team. Those other teams dont like that idea

every major university has carved out dfw. it's too late.

[Firebird]

College football is not a big draw in DFW because there are no big time attractions, games. at one time college football was the # 1 draw in the area. Even after the C-Boys Texans came to town.
As I have said there are plenty college football fans that would watch top level games. The last twenty years or so.... not so much.
And also as I said, the big 12 could ONLY BENIFIT from team in this size market, with the football interest in this area.
A strong TCU would pull a big following of some of us that watch other big twelve teams, because we dont have a local team. Those other teams dont like that idea

You already have that....

UT v. OU
Arky v. A&M
Tech v. Baylor
OU v. BYU or someone else

The simple fact is that Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, OU, Arky and OSU probably all have more alums in D/FW than TCU. They probably have more active fans (watching games, buying gear, etc.) than TCU in D/FW. The non-college affiliated fans would rather watch the Cowboys than the Horned Frogs.

It's just not a winning proposition for the Big XII. You don't replace Nebraska/CU with a school that brings fewer TV sets and fans to the table. Far better just to divide the dough up among the remaining schools. TCU would quickly become a money sucking member rather than a money contributing member.

[grayowl60]

You already have that....

UT v. OU
Arky v. A&M
Tech v. Baylor
OU v. BYU or someone else

The simple fact is that Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, OU, Arky and OSU probably all have more alums in D/FW than TCU. They probably have more active fans (watching games, buying gear, etc.) than TCU in D/FW. The non-college affiliated fans would rather watch the Cowboys than the Horned Frogs.

It's just not a winning proposition for the Big XII. You don't replace Nebraska/CU with a school that brings fewer TV sets and fans to the table. Far better just to divide the dough up among the remaining schools. TCU would quickly become a money sucking member rather than a money contributing member.
BS. Nobody is a Cowboys alum. or mavericks, etc. We are talking way beyond alums... we are talking about college football fans in a major market! Hell I went to Arlington State College and Tyler Junior College. I am aTexas Tech. fan. But I would love to see a local team bust thier Raider xss. Lots of folks around this area are sick of not having top college football in the neighborhood. But we do....TCU..... Scorboard!
Its funny, I see many of the negative TCU- big 12 posters are not from the DFW area... interesting:rolleyes: Recruiting issues?

[chhspantherfan]

for the record, El Prez.....there is a good following at TCU. Obviously not the UT, TT, or OK size because of facts well pontificated in this thread. But a good following nonetheless.

There seems to be sufficient hate from some posters, which means we must be pissin in somebody's mess kit. Keep it up haters, cause we ain't going away.

Oh, did I say "Good Morning" :D

[BDB]

BS. Nobody is a Cowboys alum. or mavericks, etc. We are talking way beyond alums... we are talking about college football fans in a major market! Hell I went to Arlington State College and Tyler Junior College. I am aTexas Tech. fan. But I would love to see a local team bust thier Raider xss. Lots of folks around this area are sick of not having top college football in the neighborhood. But we do....TCU..... Scorboard!
Its funny, I see many of the negative TCU- big 12 posters are not from the DFW area... interesting:rolleyes: Recruiting issues?

so what you're saying is.... tcu doesn't have fan BECAUSE they're not in the big xii? but changing conferences will change that?

[BDB]

for the record, El Prez.....there is a good following at TCU. Obviously not the UT, TT, or OK size because of facts well pontificated in this thread. But a good following nonetheless.

There seems to be sufficient hate from some posters, which means we must be pissin in somebody's mess kit. Keep it up haters, cause we ain't going away.

Oh, did I say "Good Morning" :D

that's the point. tcu has a great following for a non-bcs type school. but when you get thrown into the mix with tosu, usc, texas, florida..... it's diminisheed. the point of the big xii's "renegotiations" was for everyone (mainly texas) to get more money. bringing tcu loses money for the first probably 5 years while their fanbase grows.

[RedRage00]

I'd watch it just b/c I'm a college football fan. That doesn't mean I'm out buying TCU gear because that's not the case, but I would definitely consider going.

[chhspantherfan]

that's the point. tcu has a great following for a non-bcs type school. but when you get thrown into the mix with tosu, usc, texas, florida..... it's diminisheed. the point of the big xii's "renegotiations" was for everyone (mainly texas) to get more money. bringing tcu loses money for the first probably 5 years while their fanbase grows.


Seems I recall them in a BCS bowl last year.......

[chhspantherfan]

I'd watch it just b/c I'm a college football fan. That doesn't mean I'm out buying TCU gear because that's not the case, but I would definitely consider going.

great game day atmosphere, you would love it. Not the MEGA production of some, but a great place for a tailgate and ballgame.

[The King]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/2010/extramustard/hotclicks/01/05/bol-vs.bradley-in-ultimate-footrace/tcu-cheer-big.jpg

I should have gone to TCU

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Seems I recall them in a BCS bowl last year.......

Unfortunately, had the 'Frogs beaten Boise St., they still wouldn't have gained anything, due to the fact that they played another non-BCS school. Same for Boise St. for beating TCU.

[BDB]

great game day atmosphere, you would love it. Not the MEGA production of some, but a great place for a tailgate and ballgame.

i didn't say they weren't good. i said they don't have a big enough following.

[grayowl60]

i didn't say they weren't good. i said they don't have a big enough following.
Duh.....:rofl::heli:

[BDB]

Duh.....:rofl::heli:

wut?

[grayowl60]

i didn't say they weren't good. i said they don't have a big enough following.
SMU had as big or bigger following as the Cowboys did when they were winning in the Southwest Conferance.
TCU or any other college team from the DFW area will get a huge fan base, instantly, competing in the big 12. TCU qualifies NOW! I am one of those fansthat would pull for them vs big 12 schools, and thier would be thousands more.
Do you understand? Can you read english?
DFW is a gold mine for big 12 recruiters, so other Texas and Oklahoma teams will fight to keep TCU out.

[BDB]

SMU had as big or bigger following as the Cowboys did when they were winning in the Southwest Conferance.
TCU or any other college team from the DFW area will get a huge fan base, instantly, competing in the big 12. TCU qualifies NOW! I am one of those fansthat would pull for them vs big 12 schools, and thier would be thousands more.
Do you understand? Can you read english?
DFW is a gold mine for big 12 recruiters, so other Texas and Oklahoma teams will fight to keep TCU out.

yes yes i know about the pony express and all that. but again....why do they not have the following OUTSIDE of the big xii? if they win the damn MWC every other year, why can't they sell-out their stadium? why can't they have a huge following as conference champs OUTSIDE of a bcs conference? why would they become instant juggernauts (fan wise) while finishing most likely 2nd - 4th in the big xii and not making a bcs game? it doesn't make sense to me.

i wouldn't be against tcu joining the big xii because they would compete in football....but it won't happen. they don't have money. that's the reason that the big xii stayed intact after colorado and nebraska left. everyone saw more money coming their way.

[grayowl60]

yes yes i know about the pony express and all that. but again....why do they not have the following OUTSIDE of the big xii? if they win the damn MWC every other year, why can't they sell-out their stadium? why can't they have a huge following as conference champs OUTSIDE of a bcs conference? why would they become instant juggernauts (fan wise) while finishing most likely 2nd - 4th in the big xii and not making a bcs game? it doesn't make sense to me.

i wouldn't be against tcu joining the big xii because they would compete in football....but it won't happen. they don't have money. that's the reason that the big xii stayed intact after colorado and nebraska left. everyone saw more money coming their way.
If The university of Texas at Arlington had a football team (interesting thought in its self) and could compete in the big time football the fans would be there. This area is starved for good college football and the history of support is proven. I would not drive over to see TCU play the schedule they play now but I and MANY more would drive to see them play the T sips. They may have to put that game in Cowboy stadium. Compete and the $$ will come

[BDB]

If The university of Texas at Arlington had a football team (interesting thought in its self) and could compete in the big time football the fans would be there. This area is starved for good college football and the history of support is proven. I would not drive over to see TCU play the schedule they play now but I and MANY more would drive to see them play the T sips. They may have to put that game in Cowboy stadium. Compete and the $$ will come

so you're a fair-weather fan. cool story, bro. that's not guaranteed money. aggy hasn't finished ranked since 1999 but they have a strong following that, while doesn't sell-out the tacklebox, supports the team around the country. tcu doesn't guarantee that....even WITH a winning record.

y'all go ahead and be a pro-sport city, and let the college atmosphere thrive in towns like austin, norman, lubbock, and college station.

[chhspantherfan]

so you're a fair-weather fan. cool story, bro. that's not guaranteed money. aggy hasn't finished ranked since 1999 but they have a strong following that, while doesn't sell-out the tacklebox, supports the team around the country. tcu doesn't guarantee that....even WITH a winning record.

y'all go ahead and be a pro-sport city, and let the college atmosphere thrive in towns like austin, norman, lubbock, and college station.

you know this isn't Dallas or Arlington. :cool:

[the_phoenix612]

you know this isn't Dallas or Arlington. :cool:
Still ain't a college town.

[BDB]

you know this isn't Dallas or Arlington. :cool:

my apologies. a college metro.....

[grayowl60]

so you're a fair-weather fan. cool story, bro. that's not guaranteed money. aggy hasn't finished ranked since 1999 but they have a strong following that, while doesn't sell-out the tacklebox, supports the team around the country. tcu doesn't guarantee that....even WITH a winning record.

y'all go ahead and be a pro-sport city, and let the college atmosphere thrive in towns like austin, norman, lubbock, and college station.
Cute but ignorant post as usual, No I like to watch top level sports, In high school, college and pro. The few big boys have had this football state tied up way to long. The metro areas are gold mines and hot shots absolutely dont want to see competition.... and they may be successful in limiting competition., but you may be right. Maybe I need to drive to Fort Worth more often. Let The big boys can go piss up a rope

[BDB]

Cute but ignorant post as usual, No I like to watch top level sports, In high school, college and pro. The few big boys have had this football state tied up way to long. The metro areas are gold mines and hot shots absolutely dont want to see competition.... and they may be successful in limiting competition., but you may be right. Maybe I need to drive to Fort Worth more often. Let The big boys can go piss up a rope

http://telepromptedanthems.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/u-mad1.jpg

don't get pissy with me because tcu has no national fanbase. i'm not the one not watching them but hoping they get picked up by a bcs conference so i can finally start watching them.

oh lawd...it sounds even worse when i type it out....

[grayowl60]

http://telepromptedanthems.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/u-mad1.jpg

don't get pissy with me because tcu has no national fanbase. i'm not the one not watching them but hoping they get picked up by a bcs conference so i can finally start watching them.

oh lawd...it sounds even worse when i type it out....
Sceered of a big 12 team in a metro area hot rod? You have a lot of company. You aint seen pissy yet.
Does Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas State etc, have a national fan base? Do you understand the question?

[twcpfan1]

Not too many of the College Football Programs with fanbases that you would consider really large are located in any of the major cities. USC is the exception.

Fla - Gainesville
UT - Austin
LSU - BR
aTm - BCS
OU - Norman
ND - South Bend

See a pattern here? The top 6 or 7 cities size wise do not make great College towns. TCU is in DFW.

[BDB]

Not too many of the College Football Programs with fanbases that you would consider really large are located in any of the major cities. USC is the exception.

Fla - Gainesville
UT - Austin
LSU - BR
aTm - BCS
OU - Norman
ND - South Bend

See a pattern here? The top 6 or 7 cities size wise do not make great College towns. TCU is in DFW.

usc is the only school i think of, off the top of my head. miami?

[BDB]

Sceered of a big 12 team in a metro area hot rod? You have a lot of company. You aint seen pissy yet.

could. not. care. less. the world is bigger than the dfdub.

you still haven't explained how joining the big xii will get thousands in the stands and hundreds of thousands watching the games on tv in the first year.

[grayowl60]

could. not. care. less. the world is bigger than the dfdub.

you still haven't explained how joining the big xii will get thousands in the stands and hundreds of thousands watching the games on tv in the first year.
Yep I bet thats a difficult thing for you to figure out

[BDB]

Yep I bet thats a difficult thing for you to figure out

and you still haven't explained it. at first it was an inquiry...... now i really need to know how this logic makes sense in your head.

[grayowl60]

Not too many of the College Football Programs with fanbases that you would consider really large are located in any of the major cities. USC is the exception.

Fla - Gainesville
UT - Austin
LSU - BR
aTm - BCS
OU - Norman
ND - South Bend

See a pattern here? The top 6 or 7 cities size wise do not make great College towns. TCU is in DFW.
Atlanta... wrecks
Denver... just up the Buffalp trail
How many Irish in Chicago?
Think Phoenix?
Where competitive major college teams are in a city or close... it usually works out well.
If TCU was in Abilene, would that be OK?

[BDB]

Atlanta... wrecks
Denver... just up the Buffalp trail
How many Irish in Chicago?
Think Phoenix?
Where competitive major college teams are in a city or close... it usually works out well.
If TCU was in Abilene, would that be OK?

denver, chicago, phoenix don't count. college station is near houston.... still not houston. how is U of H doing in attendance.

[grayowl60]

denver, chicago, phoenix don't count. college station is near houston.... still not houston. how is U of H doing in attendance.
So you make the rules on what counts and not eh? Have you ever heard of a town called Ann Arbor? Whats the average attendance at the local games? What metro area is Ann Arbor in?
Houston would have much more fans if they played Oklahoma or Texas every year

[BDB]

So you make the rules on what counts and not eh? Have you ever heard of a town called Ann Arbor? Whats the average attendance at the local games? What metro area is Ann Arbor in?

wtf are you arguing now? all i wanted you to do was explain how tcu was going to get hundreds of thousands of fans once the bcs joined the conference. you tippy-toed around it.

i didn't say "NO METROS CAN HAVE COLLEGE TEAM! :mad:". i said the dfw metro is a pro-sports area, and that chicago isn't part of south bend. good gravy..... all i wanted was a simple answer....

[grayowl60]

wtf are you arguing now? all i wanted you to do was explain how tcu was going to get hundreds of thousands of fans once the bcs joined the conference. you tippy-toed around it.

i didn't say "NO METROS CAN HAVE COLLEGE TEAM! :mad:". i said the dfw metro is a pro-sports area, and that chicago isn't part of south bend. good gravy..... all i wanted was a simple answer....
I know it is hard for you, but try to read carefully.
1. DFW a pro sports area? No, its a SPORTS area, thats proven.
2. DFW (and Houston) fans have not had top level local college football in this area since the SWC.
3. Thousands of fans of other big 12 teams would support a competitive, local, big twelve team.
4. Other top level teams that are located near a metro get huge support from that metro area.
Ok thats four points for you to try to understand today.
Think you can handle it?

[BDB]

I know it is hard for you, but try to read carefully.
1. DFW a pro sports area? No, its a SPORTS area, thats proven.
2. DFW (and Houston) fans have not had top level local college football in this area since the SWC.
3. Thousands of fans of other big 12 teams would support a competitive, local, big twelve team.
4. Other top level teams that are located near a metro get huge support from that metro area.
Ok thats four points for you to try to understand today.
Think you can handle it?

stop running around the point and giving me bs propoganda. why doesn't tcu have the fans now? they've been to a bcs bowl and is one of the winningest teams in the past 10 years. that's more than tceh and aggy can say, but they still don't have the fans that those other two have. how in the heck is joining the big xii going to change that? why can't people show up to the games regardless of conference affiliation?

i have the potential to use %100 percent of my brain and enslave the human race, one day. but, the odds of that happening aren't in my favor since it hasn't happened yet.

[tayb]

I know it is hard for you, but try to read carefully.
1. DFW a pro sports area? No, its a SPORTS area, thats proven.
2. DFW (and Houston) fans have not had top level local college football in this area since the SWC.
3. Thousands of fans of other big 12 teams would support a competitive, local, big twelve team.
4. Other top level teams that are located near a metro get huge support from that metro area.
Ok thats four points for you to try to understand today.
Think you can handle it?

Dallas Mavericks, Dallas Cowboys, and Texas Rangers say otherwise. There are more professional teams in Dallas than there are in the rest of the cities housing Big 12 teams combined.

Anyways, TCU doesn't offer the Big 12 anything. The stadium is literally a third the size of DKR and the fans can't even fill it up. Not to mention they offer absolutely nothing in terms of ratings because they reside in a market that the Big 12 already dominates.

[grayowl60]

Dallas Mavericks, Dallas Cowboys, and Texas Rangers say otherwise. There are more professional teams in Dallas than there are in the rest of the cities housing Big 12 teams combined.

Anyways, TCU doesn't offer the Big 12 anything. The stadium is literally a third the size of DKR and the fans can't even fill it up. Not to mention they offer absolutely nothing in terms of ratings because they reside in a market that the Big 12 already dominates.
An AUSTIN fan chimes in.... that figures.

[grayowl60]

stop running around the point and giving me bs propoganda. why doesn't tcu have the fans now? they've been to a bcs bowl and is one of the winningest teams in the past 10 years. that's more than tceh and aggy can say, but they still don't have the fans that those other two have. how in the heck is joining the big xii going to change that? why can't people show up to the games regardless of conference affiliation?

i have the potential to use %100 percent of my brain and enslave the human race, one day. but, the odds of that happening aren't in my favor since it hasn't happened yet.
Ok, I will try one more time ONE, more time.
I and many more like me would drive from east Dallas county or other Dallas areas, to see a local team play competitive football vs top level programs. Can you get that? Do you comprehend? Good
Now then read carefully.... I and others will NOT drive to the other side of Fort Worth to see them play thier current schedule. Si? Same goes for Denton or the corner of Mockingbird and Hillcrest.
I will stay home and watch the Big 12 games on TV. I know kids that play and their parents. And like top leval football. Understand?
Many DFW fans watch big 12 games by default, because we dont have a local team to cheer for at that level.
next rant?

[BDB]

An AUSTIN fan chimes in.... that figures.

how many professional teams does austin have? and how many of those are farmclubs?

[BDB]

Ok, I will try one more time ONE, more time.
I and many more like me would drive from east Dallas county or other Dallas areas, to see a local team play competitive football vs top level programs. Can you get that? Do you comprehend? Good
Now then read carefully.... I and others will NOT drive to the other side of Fort Worth to see them play thier current schedule. Si? Same goes for Denton or the corner of Mockingbird and Hillcrest.
I will stay home and watch the Big 12 games on TV. I know kids that play and their parents. And like top leval football. Understand?
Many DFW fans watch big 12 games by default, because we dont have a local team to cheer for at that level.
next rant?

so you're gonna guarantee that the stadium is sold-out in the dfdub and hundreds of thousands are going to start watching the froggies even when they slip to 5th place in the big xii?

[grayowl60]

so you're gonna guarantee that the stadium is sold-out in the dfdub and hundreds of thousands are going to start watching the froggies even when they slip to 5th place in the big xii?
Yawn... Are you gonna guanantee they are NOT?....
It Is guaranteed that if the big 12 expands to to DFW or Houston, the big 12 south teams of today will drop fans, and recruites.;)

[BDB]

Yawn... Are you gonna guanantee they are NOT?....
It Is guaranteed that if the big 12 expands to to DFW or Houston, the big 12 south teams of today will drop fans, and recruites.;)

they have no freaking fanbase. you're proving it by not going to the games. there's no guaranteed money there. maybe a decade of winning IN the big xii, they would have a fanbase, but the big xii doesn't care about "what could be", right now. they want the sure thing, and the guaranteed money. tcu is none of that. and dallas is in the middle of a cluster-fizzle of college football the big xii already owns. why would they want to "expand" to an area they already own? that makes no sense. that's like trying to get tusla into the big xii because "lyke omgz.... there's like soooooo many tusla people who would lyke totes go to a tulsa game instead of ou or okie st. lulz".


college football map (http://pcpsports.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/helmmap.gif)

maybe in 3 or 4 years they'll take tcu, but there's no need right now. sorry for being stuck in the middle of big xii country, and sorry for not having the money to join a bcs conference. better luck next time.

[tayb]

An AUSTIN fan chimes in.... that figures.

Awesome counter point but next time don't provide so much detail. I couldn't even finish it all.

[grayowl60]

they have no freaking fanbase. you're proving it by not going to the games. there's no guaranteed money there. maybe a decade of winning IN the big xii, they would have a fanbase, but the big xii doesn't care about "what could be", right now. they want the sure thing, and the guaranteed money. tcu is none of that. and dallas is in the middle of a cluster-fizzle of college football the big xii already owns. why would they want to "expand" to an area they already own? that makes no sense. that's like trying to get tusla into the big xii because "lyke omgz.... there's like soooooo many tusla people who would lyke totes go to a tulsa game instead of ou or okie st. lulz".


college football map (http://pcpsports.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/helmmap.gif)

maybe in 3 or 4 years they'll take tcu, but there's no need right now. sorry for being stuck in the middle of big xii country, and sorry for not having the money to join a bcs conference. better luck next time.
Are you really going to compare Tulsa with TCU? Or Tulsa -Ok City with DFW? Thats all that needs to be said.

[BDB]

Are you really going to compare Tulsa with TCU? Or Tulsa -Ok City with DFW? Thats all that needs to be said.

you're right. dallas has more schools centrally located around it. such a bad example. tulsa is only really close to okie lite.

[dragons08]

Of course all these fans will fill TCU's stadium...

....fans from Tech, OU, OSU, UT, A&M, etc....

Kind of like Baylor right now...

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Of course all these fans will fill TCU's stadium...

....fans from Tech, OU, OSU, UT, A&M, etc....

Kind of like Baylor right now...

It pains me to say this but, I agree. Although, things are starting to get better with the fanbase, they need to show some consistency in getting out to the games.

[grayowl60]

you're right. dallas has more schools centrally located around it. such a bad example. tulsa is only really close to okie lite.
Population, tv market, again... yawn....:heli:

[BDB]

Population, tv market, again... yawn....:heli:

i'm just explaining to you why the big xii isn't going to add tcu right now. if you wanna be delusional about it and claim "what if's" as fact, go right ahead. i'll just explain realizations.

[The Wet Mustard]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/2010/extramustard/hotclicks/01/05/bol-vs.bradley-in-ultimate-footrace/tcu-cheer-big.jpg

The one in the white bow is a katy alum and ex cheerleader

[dragons08]

It pains me to say this but, I agree. Although, things are starting to get better with the fanbase, they need to show some consistency in getting out to the games.

But according to Grayowl if they end up in the big 12 suddenly they'll have thousands of more fans instantly..


lol wut

[grayowl60]

But according to Grayowl if they end up in the big 12 suddenly they'll have thousands of more fans instantly..


lol wut
And more recruites that may have gone to Lubbock;)
And more people watching the home team on TV

[BDB]

And more recruites that may have gone to Lubbock;)
And more people watching the home team on TV

or that would have already happened since they're conference champions but still no one seems to give a damn about them.

one of the two....

[grayowl60]

or that would have already happened since they're conference champions but still no one seems to give a damn about them.

one of the two....
Well you have it figured out like you do about so many things. Big 12 membership would mean nothing in attendance or fans in your opinion? You are full of xxxt

[BDB]

Well you have it figured out like you do about so many things. Big 12 membership would mean nothing in attendance or fans in your opinion? You are full of xxxt

i would expect being being a conference champion and winning as much as tcu has to atleast sell out their own stadium..... but it hasn't happened.

[grayowl60]

i would expect being being a conference champion and winning as much as tcu has to atleast sell out their own stadium..... but it hasn't happened.
How was SMUs or TCUs attendance when they won the Southwest Conference. Again:heli:

[BDB]

How was SMUs or TCUs attendance when they won the Southwest Conference. Again:heli:

who was chicago university's numbers when they were participating in college football? it's irrelevant. the big xii wants money know, not the idea of there being money in the future.

[grayowl60]

who was chicago university's numbers when they were participating in college football? it's irrelevant. the big xii wants money know, not the idea of there being money in the future.
How many TV sets in DFW? TV sets = ???
How did the Frogs do in baseball this year? Oh wait, or they om TV?:notworthy

[BDB]

How many TV sets in DFW? TV sets = ???
How did the Frogs do in baseball this year? Oh wait, or they om TV?:notworthy

and what's their tv rating for football. baseball, too. then compare it to texas or oklahoma.

[chhspantherfan]

Not too many of the College Football Programs with fanbases that you would consider really large are located in any of the major cities. USC is the exception.

Fla - Gainesville
UT - Austin
LSU - BR
aTm - BCS
OU - Norman
ND - South Bend

See a pattern here? The top 6 or 7 cities size wise do not make great College towns. TCU is in DFW.


TCU is in Fort Worth. There is a huge difference. Come visit the area. You will see.

Congrats to the Frogs on their opening win in the CWS.

As for this continued back and forth about whether they are an addition to any conference, the financial arms race (facilities) has not passed them by. Some on here continually compare TCU to large state schools, they are not. Does not mean that they are not a candidate for expansion or addition, just that there are not as many alumni. All y'all haters keep it up, the fire is growing brighter on University Drive and no one can deny that.

Of course, the TT fans here won't get the chance to shut us up as the vaunted raiders backed out of their game contract for this year so they could play the Horns on TV on that date.

[tayb]

How many TV sets in DFW? TV sets = ???
How did the Frogs do in baseball this year? Oh wait, or they om TV?:notworthy

The problem that you continue to ignore is that most of the TV sets in the DFW area are already tuning in to watch Big 12 football. The Big 12 already owns the Dallas market. There are thousands of Texas, a$m, oklahoma, Tech, Baylor, etc fans located in the Dallas-Fort Worth area.

TCU is a great school and from a competitive standpoint it sure would be nice to add them but the $$$$ does not make sense. The addition of TCU does not make the Big 12 a more lucrative conference in the eyes of a network because they reside in a market that has already been captured. At the end of the day competition or competitiveness is irrelevant and the only thing that matters is $$$$. Adding TCU to the Big 12 would not bring much more in terms of TV revenue and it would add another team to divide the pie by which would mean less for everyone except for Texas, a$m, and oklahoma. Who would vote for that?

Don't mistake my comments as bashing TCU because I would love to add TCU (and another) to the Big 12 but because of the reasons listed above I am extremely confident that it will not happen.

[chhspantherfan]

The problem that you continue to ignore is that most of the TV sets in the DFW area are already tuning in to watch Big 12 football. The Big 12 already owns the Dallas market. There are thousands of Texas, a$m, oklahoma, Tech, Baylor, etc fans located in the Dallas-Fort Worth area.

TCU is a great school and from a competitive standpoint it sure would be nice to add them but the $$$$ does not make sense. The addition of TCU does not make the Big 12 a more lucrative conference in the eyes of a network because they reside in a market that has already been captured. At the end of the day competition or competitiveness is irrelevant and the only thing that matters is $$$$. Adding TCU to the Big 12 would not bring much more in terms of TV revenue and it would add another team to divide the pie by which would mean less for everyone except for Texas, a$m, and oklahoma. Who would vote for that?

Don't mistake my comments as bashing TCU because I would love to add TCU (and another) to the Big 12 but because of the reasons listed above I am extremely confident that it will not happen.

I hear you loud and clear on the dollars. So maybe what we need to be doing is petioning for the players to unionize and get their slice of the revenue. :rolleyes:

[chhspantherfan]

The one in the white bow is a katy alum and ex cheerleader

we like our Katy exes here. Dalton and Dean come to mind, send more like them. :heli:

[tayb]

I hear you loud and clear on the dollars. So maybe what we need to be doing is petioning for the players to unionize and get their slice of the revenue. :rolleyes:

Yeah it really is quite sad. The Big 12 could add a team that would immediately slide in among the top 3 in the conference and we won't do it because they don't bring us enough money? This is supposed to be collegiate athletics but here we are squabbling about money? How sad.

TCU isn't exactly helping its case either though. The stadium is small and the fans have not been showing up consistently. I would say start throwing down plans for a bigger stadium but if you can't fill up 40k seats I don't think transitioning into a stadium twice as big is such a great idea.

[JMSFan]

Yeah it really is quite sad. The Big 12 could add a team that would immediately slide in among the top 3 in the conference and we won't do it because they don't bring us enough money? This is supposed to be collegiate athletics but here we are squabbling about money? How sad.

TCU isn't exactly helping its case either though. The stadium is small and the fans have not been showing up consistently. I would say start throwing down plans for a bigger stadium but if you can't fill up 40k seats I don't think transitioning into a stadium twice as big is such a great idea.

It would mean a Big 12 home game everytime, wouldn't the Big 12 fans in the DFW area show up?

[grayowl60]

The problem that you continue to ignore is that most of the TV sets in the DFW area are already tuning in to watch Big 12 football. The Big 12 already owns the Dallas market. There are thousands of Texas, a$m, oklahoma, Tech, Baylor, etc fans located in the Dallas-Fort Worth area.

TCU is a great school and from a competitive standpoint it sure would be nice to add them but the $$$$ does not make sense. The addition of TCU does not make the Big 12 a more lucrative conference in the eyes of a network because they reside in a market that has already been captured. At the end of the day competition or competitiveness is irrelevant and the only thing that matters is $$$$. Adding TCU to the Big 12 would not bring much more in terms of TV revenue and it would add another team to divide the pie by which would mean less for everyone except for Texas, a$m, and oklahoma. Who would vote for that?

Don't mistake my comments as bashing TCU because I would love to add TCU (and another) to the Big 12 but because of the reasons listed above I am extremely confident that it will not happen.
" There Are thousands" OF SMU. Tarleton State, North Texas, Steven F. Austin, Texas A&M Commerce, Etc. Alums and fans that watch Big 12 out of default.... Not much to cheer for otherwise.
Point was made that TCU is in Fort Worth and that Is a BIG factor in support. With thier record they would be packing them in if they were in Dallas County, or if they were in a major conferance where they are.
Think Texas will schedule a game with TCU? In football? How about baseball?:laugh

[tayb]

" There Are thousands" OF SMU. Tarleton State, North Texas, Steven F. Austin, Texas A&M Commerce, Etc. Alums and fans that watch Big 12 out of default.... Not much to cheer for otherwise.
Point was made that TCU is in Fort Worth and that Is a BIG factor in support. With thier record they would be packing them in if they were in Dallas County, or if they were in a major conferance where they are.
Think Texas will schedule a game with TCU? In football? How about baseball?:laugh

Nothing you just said has anything to do with television ratings. The point you are trying to make that people in the DFW area would watch TCU on television if they were in the Big 12 is irrelevant because the Big 12 doesn't need TCU to get people in Dallas to watch the Big 12 on television. They are already watching the Big 12 on television. Texas could schedule Wyoming and people in Dallas will watch.

TCU averaged 86% capacity last season for an average attendance per game of 38,187. TCU spent the entire season ranked in the top 15 and was ranked in the top 10 from week 5 on and the fans still didn't show up. What more do the fans in FW want? You honestly expect me to believe that a top 5 ranking is not enough for the fans and that joining the Big 12 would suddenly fill the stadium up? Maybe fill it up with fans from the other team but that's not exactly the point now is it.

And I don't want to hear the excuse that FW isn't that large of a city. FW has a population of 550,000. Norman, oklahoma, where oklahoma plays has a population of 110,000 and oklahoma averages 86,000 a game. Oops.

Pretty sure Texas already scheduled and beat TCU, 34-13.

[JMSFan]

Nothing you just said has anything to do with television ratings. The point you are trying to make that people in the DFW area would watch TCU on television if they were in the Big 12 is irrelevant because the Big 12 doesn't need TCU to get people in Dallas to watch the Big 12 on television. They are already watching the Big 12 on television. Texas could schedule Wyoming and people in Dallas will watch.

TCU averaged 86% capacity last season for an average attendance per game of 38,187. TCU spent the entire season ranked in the top 15 and was ranked in the top 10 from week 5 on and the fans still didn't show up. What more do the fans in FW want? You honestly expect me to believe that a top 5 ranking is not enough for the fans and that joining the Big 12 would suddenly fill the stadium up? Maybe fill it up with fans from the other team but that's not exactly the point now is it.

And I don't want to hear the excuse that FW isn't that large of a city. FW has a population of 550,000. Norman, oklahoma, where oklahoma plays has a population of 110,000 and oklahoma averages 86,000 a game. Oops.

Pretty sure Texas already scheduled and beat TCU, 34-13.

So more filled seats doesnt mean more money?
As far as it helping tv, I think it would help. It gives them a chance to be playing at least 2 top 10 ranked teams ( OU and Texas) throughout the season, possibly more depending on how the season goes. If by chance they slip up and beat one of them, it only builds more interest in their program.
Look what it did for TTU before last season.

[grayowl60]

Nothing you just said has anything to do with television ratings. The point you are trying to make that people in the DFW area would watch TCU on television if they were in the Big 12 is irrelevant because the Big 12 doesn't need TCU to get people in Dallas to watch the Big 12 on television. They are already watching the Big 12 on television. Texas could schedule Wyoming and people in Dallas will watch.

TCU averaged 86% capacity last season for an average attendance per game of 38,187. TCU spent the entire season ranked in the top 15 and was ranked in the top 10 from week 5 on and the fans still didn't show up. What more do the fans in FW want? You honestly expect me to believe that a top 5 ranking is not enough for the fans and that joining the Big 12 would suddenly fill the stadium up? Maybe fill it up with fans from the other team but that's not exactly the point now is it.

And I don't want to hear the excuse that FW isn't that large of a city. FW has a population of 550,000. Norman, oklahoma, where oklahoma plays has a population of 110,000 and oklahoma averages 86,000 a game. Oops.

Pretty sure Texas already scheduled and beat TCU, 34-13.
Just a thought on your "logic" about Norman-Ok City. What sports Teams competition is there in the entire state of Oklahoma? NBA basketball? Rodeo? Gotcha

[JMSFan]

Besides, I think the Big 12 needs TCU, and really at least one more school back in there.
Only reason I bring it up is because with 10 teams, then NO conf. championship. Unless the Big 12 winner is undefeated and a legitimate powerhouse at the end of the regular season, I bet they get leap frogged during the other schools conf. championship weekends.
We see the BCS do it every year.

[tayb]

So more filled seats doesnt mean more money?
As far as it helping tv, I think it would help. It gives them a chance to be playing at least 2 top 10 ranked teams ( OU and Texas) throughout the season, possibly more depending on how the season goes. If by chance they slip up and beat one of them, it only builds more interest in their program.
Look what it did for TTU before last season.

Not for the Big 12 it doesn't. And not when a packed house is still 20,000 below Big 12 average and half as much as the top tier Big 12 schools.

It would raise ratings but not enough to justify dividing up the revenue by another team. As I said earlier, Dallas already watches the Big 12. TCU would probably bring in more viewers but it would not be enough to make the Big 12 $17 million or more a year.


Besides, I think the Big 12 needs TCU, and really at least one more school back in there.
Only reason I bring it up is because with 10 teams, then NO conf. championship. Unless the Big 12 winner is undefeated and a legitimate powerhouse at the end of the regular season, I bet they get leap frogged during the other schools conf. championship weekends.
We see the BCS do it every year.

On the football field they could. We aren't talking about competitiveness on the football field. We are talking about whether the dollars and cents make sense for the Big 12 to add TCU. They don't. I can assure you that a team such as Texas or oklahoma will not be "leap frogged" and passed over for a BCS championship. And this is assuming the powers that be that managed to keep the Big 12 together don't get together and change the rule and allow the Big 12 a CCG despite having only 10 members.

[tayb]

Just a thought on your "logic" about Norman-Ok City. What sports Teams competition is there in the entire state of Oklahoma? NBA basketball? Rodeo? Gotcha

I think that there are almost as many people in Dallas - Fort Worth as there are in the entire state of oklahoma.

Besides, what sports competition does CFB have on Saturdays in the fall? NFL, nope. NBA, not playing. NHL, not playing until October. MLB, done in October. Uhhhh???

[JMSFan]

Not for the Big 12 it doesn't. And not when a packed house is still 20,000 below Big 12 average and half as much as the top tier Big 12 schools.

It would raise ratings but not enough to justify dividing up the revenue by another team. As I said earlier, Dallas already watches the Big 12. TCU would probably bring in more viewers but it would not be enough to make the Big 12 $17 million or more a year. You are right.




On the football field they could. We aren't talking about competitiveness on the football field. We are talking about whether the dollars and cents make sense for the Big 12 to add TCU. They don't. I can assure you that a team such as Texas or oklahoma will not be "leap frogged" and passed over for a BCS championship. And this is assuming the powers that be that managed to keep the Big 12 together don't get together and change the rule and allow the Big 12 a CCG despite having only 10 members.

Without a CCG, I believe the chances of it happening are better than not. Past history shows the trends.

[chhspantherfan]

Nothing you just said has anything to do with television ratings. The point you are trying to make that people in the DFW area would watch TCU on television if they were in the Big 12 is irrelevant because the Big 12 doesn't need TCU to get people in Dallas to watch the Big 12 on television. They are already watching the Big 12 on television. Texas could schedule Wyoming and people in Dallas will watch.

TCU averaged 86% capacity last season for an average attendance per game of 38,187. TCU spent the entire season ranked in the top 15 and was ranked in the top 10 from week 5 on and the fans still didn't show up. What more do the fans in FW want? You honestly expect me to believe that a top 5 ranking is not enough for the fans and that joining the Big 12 would suddenly fill the stadium up? Maybe fill it up with fans from the other team but that's not exactly the point now is it.

And I don't want to hear the excuse that FW isn't that large of a city. FW has a population of 550,000. Norman, oklahoma, where oklahoma plays has a population of 110,000 and oklahoma averages 86,000 a game. Oops.

Pretty sure Texas already scheduled and beat TCU, 34-13.


Texas has owned TCU in the football series, 20-61-1 with last TCU win in 78. That is not in dispute, rather your point seems to be prior in that 86% capacity and only 38000 in attendance does not make a Big 12 team. Obviously, with the enormous alumni base here of the state schools, there would be more sellouts. The Utah game this past season was awesome and electric. I sat through the 60s and 70s as a kid and know first hand how bad it had gotten. Wacker gave us a boost in the 80s, Fran in the 90s, and Patterson has established himself as a great leader on the 00s The Frogs are back competitively and with a new following, as well as a lot of us that persevered, and a lot that are now returning. The money is flowing, the stadium expansion is on schedule, the baseball team is in Omaha, the football team will be highly ranked this year and really, really good, and I am cautiously optimistic that the basketball program has finally gotten a pulse. The Ladies programs are in great shape and the enrollment is growing. Campus expansion everywhere. TCU is as deserving as anyone of consideration. But, if it doesn't happen, that is OK also. We got kicked to the curb at the outset of the big 12 and have prospered. TCU is prepared for the challenges that will come over the next few years prior to the next BCS realignment. And we will meet that challenge! Go Frogs!

[JagFan]

Texas has owned TCU in the football series, 20-61-1 with last TCU win in 78. That is not in dispute, rather your point seems to be prior in that 86% capacity and only 38000 in attendance does not make a Big 12 team. Obviously, with the enormous alumni base here of the state schools, there would be more sellouts. The Utah game this past season was awesome and electric. I sat through the 60s and 70s as a kid and know first hand how bad it had gotten. Wacker gave us a boost in the 80s, Fran in the 90s, and Patterson has established himself as a great leader on the 00s The Frogs are back competitively and with a new following, as well as a lot of us that persevered, and a lot that are now returning. The money is flowing, the stadium expansion is on schedule, the baseball team is in Omaha, the football team will be highly ranked this year and really, really good, and I am cautiously optimistic that the basketball program has finally gotten a pulse. The Ladies programs are in great shape and the enrollment is growing. Campus expansion everywhere. TCU is as deserving as anyone of consideration. But, if it doesn't happen, that is OK also. We got kicked to the curb at the outset of the big 12 and have prospered. TCU is prepared for the challenges that will come over the next few years prior to the next BCS realignment. And we will meet that challenge! Go Frogs!

I had dinner last night with a cousin that is a big TCU fan and alum. He said basically the samething. He is happy were you all are and is looking forward to Boise State joining the conference. He doesn't need the drama that is UT and A&M.

[chhspantherfan]

I had dinner last night with a cousin that is a big TCU fan and alum. He said basically the samething. He is happy were you all are and is looking forward to Boise State joining the conference. He doesn't need the drama that is UT and A&M.

We lose Utah but gain Boise. Realignment is coming on a grand scale, who really knows what it will look like in 2013?

[JagFan]

We lose Utah but gain Boise. Realignment is coming on a grand scale, who really knows what it will look like in 2013?

Cousin Jag says he is just enjoying where and what TCU is now. The future will take care of itself.

[chhspantherfan]

Cousin Jag says he is just enjoying where and what TCU is now. The future will take care of itself.

that is where we all are, he is right on. Focus on the baseball team in Omaha and Tonight's game against UCLA. Winkler on the mound and a win would put us in great shape.

[yallerjacket2]

I think that there are almost as many people in Dallas - Fort Worth as there are in the entire state of oklahoma.



I think there are a lot more people in the DFW Metroplex than in Oklahoma. Could be wrong but I don't think I am.

[farmerfan]

I think there are a lot more people in the DFW Metroplex than in Oklahoma. Could be wrong but I don't think I am.

You're right. I don't have the numbers in front of me but DFW is around 6 million people and I think the state of Oklahoma is something around 4