Your Top 10 in the DFDUBYA!

[Dynastybegan86]

Ok Yankee Texans, jimmycrackcorn called out the H-Town crew so i'm calling you out.

Gimme your top 10 in the DFW! I know they are all better than the skeeterville boys, just wanted to see who was gonna knock us out!:yes:

I'll start and then you can tell me.....


1. Euless Trinity
2. Arlington Bowie
3. DeSoto
4. Dallas Skyline
5. Allen
6. Plano sucks
7. Southlake Carroll
8. Lewisville Hebron
9. FM Marcus
10. Arlingtom Martin

[E-Vol-ution]

I think Martin should get in there for a preseason choice.

[BlackAttack]

Ok Yankee Texans, jimmycrackcorn called out the H-Town crew so i'm calling you out.

Gimme your top 10 in the DFW! I know they are all better than the skeeterville boys, just wanted to see who was gonna knock us out!:yes:

I'll start and then you can tell me.....

1. Abilene
2. Euless Trinity
3. Arlington Bowie
4. DeSoto
5. Dallas Skyline
6. Allen
7. Plano sucks
8. Southlake Carroll
9. Lewisville Hebron
10. FM Marcus

Abilene isn't in the DFDUBYA..........

[SWMHebron]

Ok Yankee Texans, jimmycrackcorn called out the H-Town crew so i'm calling you out.

Gimme your top 10 in the DFW! I know they are all better than the skeeterville boys, just wanted to see who was gonna knock us out!:yes:

I'll start and then you can tell me.....

1. Abilene
2. Euless Trinity
3. Arlington Bowie
4. DeSoto
5. Dallas Skyline
6. Allen
7. Plano sucks
8. Southlake Carroll
9. Lewisville Hebron
10. FM Marcus

Would love to believe this but I will reserve judgment until I see the defense in action. I have heard good things, and the core of the DBs for next year are in Austin this weekend for track finals so there is some speed. I just need to see the tackling before I buy into it.

[Dynastybegan86]

Abilene isn't in the DFDUBYA..........

Forgot they got realigned! So ET is the clear #1!

[da hawaiian]

Forgot they got realigned! So ET is the clear #1!

Anylist should include Arlington Martin and Coppell.

[JagFan]

Anylist should include Arlington Martin and Coppell.

Agree.

[Dynastybegan86]

Anylist should include Arlington Martin and Coppell.

Would you take Southlake Carroll out and put in Arlington Martin and Coppell?

[da hawaiian]

Would you take Southlake Carroll out and put in Arlington Martin and Coppell?

Outside of the Arlington Bowie and Desoto, you could replace anyone on that list

[drgnbkr]

Would you take Southlake Carroll out and put in Arlington Martin and Coppell?

Would you? Of the teams ranked above Carroll...only Bowie has ever beaten the Dragons...As in ever....Probably doesn't matter..Just sayin.

[Dynastybegan86]

Would you? Of the teams ranked above Carroll...only Bowie has ever beaten the Dragons...As in ever....Probably doesn't matter..Just sayin.

Fair question, I would like to know what that fact has to do with the 2010 Dragons? They haven't actually held to the "standard" of Dragon football as of late. Expectations are very high with programs such as Southlake Carroll's, but they have underachieved, no?

I am merely trying to get a feel for how the North feels about their contenders THIS year. Is SC one of the contenders? How did graduation hit them? Are they "back" on the championship trail? or Will they once again be "down" per the normal standards of SC football?

I do remember a loss to Coppell, don't I?

[Dynastybegan86]

Outside of the Arlington Bowie and Desoto, you could replace anyone on that list

You ET fans crack me up! By all means, get ET off this list:heli:

[farmerfan]

Ok Yankee Texans, jimmycrackcorn called out the H-Town crew so i'm calling you out.

Gimme your top 10 in the DFW! I know they are all better than the skeeterville boys, just wanted to see who was gonna knock us out!:yes:

I'll start and then you can tell me.....



6. Plano sucks


Is it bad if I laughed at this?

I must have a bigger impact in this online community than I thought :rofl:

[E-Vol-ution]

Would you take Southlake Carroll out and put in Arlington Martin and Coppell?

I'd take out Abilene.......that's west Texas Football.

[E-Vol-ution]

Anylist should include Arlington Martin and Coppell.

True statement.........

[E-Vol-ution]

Outside of the Arlington Bowie and Desoto, you could replace anyone on that list

:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy Dang sand got in my eye again.....................( I must be walking too close to a bagging zone)

[slcdragonfan]

Would you take Southlake Carroll out and put in Arlington Martin and Coppell?

I would take out Marcus or Hebron at this point and put in Coppell. Arrange the number however you will, Coppell should be in the DFW top 10 IMO. No ill will meant to Marcus or Hebron.

[JagFan]

I would take out Marcus or Hebron at this point and put in Coppell. Arrange the number however you will, Coppell should be in the DFW top 10 IMO. No ill will meant to Marcus or Hebron.

I agree that Coppell needs to be in there somewhere.

[slcdragonfan]

1. Euless Trinity
2. Arlington Bowie
3. Coppell
4. DeSoto (coaching is the main question mark at this point)
5. Plano (surprise inspired play against ET indicates they still have it)
6. Allen (just because they are Allen).
7. Dallas Skyline (can't seem to achieve the ultimate goal)
8. Southlake Carroll
9. Lewisville Hebron
10. FM Marcus
11. Martin (I don't know much about Martin)

(Abilene is not DFW)
I think Hebron has a lot of promise, but they did not make the playoffs last year, still unproven for the upcoming year. SLC graduated a lot and Marcus lost their premier back, we'll have to see how they reload.

[wolfpack4life]

Ok Yankee Texans, jimmycrackcorn called out the H-Town crew so i'm calling you out.

Gimme your top 10 in the DFW! I know they are all better than the skeeterville boys, just wanted to see who was gonna knock us out!:yes:

I'll start and then you can tell me.....


1. Euless Trinity
2. Arlington Bowie
3. DeSoto
4. Dallas Skyline
5. Allen
6. Plano sucks
7. Southlake Carroll
8. Lewisville Hebron
9. FM Marcus
10. Arlingtom Martin
Based on the athletes out at DeSoto..

There is no secret that they deserve to be ranked one.

[slcdragonfan]

Based on the athletes out at DeSoto..

There is no secret that they deserve to be ranked one.

They had a lot of athletes last year too. So did Skyline. Oddly there are more factors to winning that just having athletes. You know that.

[SWMHebron]

I would take out Marcus or Hebron at this point and put in Coppell. Arrange the number however you will, Coppell should be in the DFW top 10 IMO. No ill will meant to Marcus or Hebron.

None taken from a Hebron standpoint. The offense is bring back all of the top players from last year plus and has lots of potential, but the defense last year was weak. If the defense comes around Hebron could end up top 10. At this point even the homer in me won't put them there.

[JagFan]

None taken from a Hebron standpoint. The offense is bring back all of the top players from last year plus and has lots of potential, but the defense last year was weak. If the defense comes around Hebron could end up top 10. At this point even the homer in me won't put them there.

stirring up trouble again are ya? ;)

In no way refers to slcdragonfan.

[SWMHebron]

stirring up trouble again are ya? ;)

In no way refers to slcdragonfan.

Yeah, taking my life in my hands here. Notice there was no criticism offered of the DC, nor efforts to give him away.

[E-Vol-ution]

Based on the athletes out at DeSoto..

There is no secret that they deserve to be ranked one.

Trinity took state last year..........no way Desoto should be ahead of them.

[TrojanHorse03]

Trinity took state last year..........no way Desoto should be ahead of them.

No it's a new year, Trinity lost to Allen and Cedar Hill also last year. I'm surprised Coppell and Arlington Bowie haven't also gotten any alternative number 1 votes. I could certainly see the metroplex getting shut out of the titles this year. At least the 3 best teams are elsewhere IMO(Abilene, Katy, RRSP).

[slcdragonfan]

No it's a new year, Trinity lost to Allen and Cedar Hill also last year. I'm surprised Coppell and Arlington Bowie haven't gotten any alternative number 1 votes. I could certainly see the metroplex getting shut out of the titles this year. At least the 3 best teams are elsewhere IMO(Abilene, Katy, RRSP).

A picture of TrojanHorse03 at home:
http://www.defensetech.org/images/sandbags.jpg

[E-Vol-ution]

No it's a new year, Trinity lost to Allen and Cedar Hill also last year. I'm surprised Coppell and Arlington Bowie haven't also gotten any alternative number 1 votes. I could certainly see the metroplex getting shut out of the titles this year. At least the 3 best teams are elsewhere IMO(Abilene, Katy, RRSP).


Ever since I could remember...........Trinity's defense against Bowie's offense:

http://withleather.uproxx.com/2009/11/meet-nyrel-sevilla-age-6

Any questions?

[ktCarl]

Would you? Of the teams ranked above Carroll...only Bowie has ever beaten the Dragons...As in ever....Probably doesn't matter..Just sayin.

So, where do you put the Dragons based on DB86's list? Or better...what is your list like?

I agree (with others on this thread) that Abilene doesn't belong in a DFW list like I don't see how Lufkin and Beaumont Westbrook gets included in a Houston area list.

[Maroondog]

Is it bad if I laughed at this?

1. Main Sucks

I must have a bigger impact in this online community than I thought :rofl:

Laugh at this grasshopper. :rofl:

[JagFan]

Yeah, taking my life in my hands here. Notice there was no criticism offered of the DC, nor efforts to give him away.

I did notice. :)

[slcdragonfan]

Ever since I could remember...........Trinity's defense against Bowie's offense:

http://withleather.uproxx.com/2009/11/meet-nyrel-sevilla-age-6

Any questions?

LOL, that kid was a HITTER! #36, who is he?

[BlakeJ]

I dont care to rank...im just soooooo dang happy to spot a Dynasty post.

[Dynastybegan86]

A picture of TrojanHorse03 at home:
http://www.defensetech.org/images/sandbags.jpg

:notworthy:yes:

[Dynastybegan86]

So, where do you put the Dragons based on DB86's list? Or better...what is your list like?

I agree (with others on this thread) that Abilene doesn't belong in a DFW list like I don't see how Lufkin and Beaumont Westbrook gets included in a Houston area list.

For the record, I pulled Abilene out and redid the list! Also, I put Abilene in the mix because they were in a DFW district. Realignment pulled them out, so, so did I. Lufkin and BWB play in Houston area districts and that is why they are being discussed with H-town!

[allendad]

ALLEN doesn't deserve to be in there . . . . .


We lost everybody last year and MAYBE will win 2 games THIS year.


Take 'em OUT ! ! We ain't nuthin' ! ! ! !



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[twcpfan1]

ALLEN doesn't deserve to be in there . . . . .


We lost everybody last year and MAYBE will win 2 games THIS year.


Take 'em OUT ! ! We ain't nuthin' ! ! ! !



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I agree. Same applies to Trinity, Cedar Hill and Southlake Carroll. Matter of fact, everybody in Dallas Fort Worth should be left off the list.

[da hawaiian]

I agree. Same applies to Trinity, Cedar Hill and Southlake Carroll. Matter of fact, everybody in Dallas Fort Worth should be left off the list.

Hey now, we've stuck a patent on it, everybody else go find their own gig

[slcdragonfan]

ALLEN doesn't deserve to be in there . . . . .


We lost everybody last year and MAYBE will win 2 games THIS year.


Take 'em OUT ! ! We ain't nuthin' ! ! ! !



.

but which two?

[allendad]

but which two?

Well . . . .

I'm thinkin' we can pull off a scrimmage win, #1 . . . . .


Then slip by Plano West, 'cuz they ain't got the "Geoffcoat" anymore.;)


That about wraps it up.

We could have had that piece of cake team from Monterrey, Mx. we
might be lookin' at 3-7.:eek:

Trinity doesn't own a patent on this gig ! ! !:notworthy


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[FarmerFootballPlayer]

The fact that four teams from 8-5A are on that list is crazy, but definitely believable. Whoever finishes 5th and 6th in that district would almost undoubtedly make the PO's from another DFW district.

[bigdaddydog]

Would you? Of the teams ranked above Carroll...only Bowie has ever beaten the Dragons...As in ever....Probably doesn't matter..Just sayin.

You guys have never had to face Humble have you? :D That 195A will put everything in perspective.

I will endorse the following Top 10 DFDub:

1. Trinity
2. Plano sucks
3. Arlington Bowie
4. Southlake Carroll
5. DeSoto
6. Dallas Skyline
7. Coppell
8. Lewisville Hebron
9. FM Marcus
10. Arlingtom Martin



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[farmerfan]

I would take out Marcus or Hebron at this point and put in Coppell. Arrange the number however you will, Coppell should be in the DFW top 10 IMO. No ill will meant to Marcus or Hebron.

I would take Carroll out of any top 10 if they were included over Marcus, Hebron or Coppell at this point. Carroll has nothing returning to prove they deserve such accolades. Marcus and Hebron do return tons of talent from teams that gave Carroll everything they could hanlde on Carroll's home field from a year ago

[farmerfan]

You guys have never had to face Humble have you? :D That 195A will put everything in perspective.

I will endorse the following Top 10 DFDub:

1. Trinity
2. Plano sucks
3. Arlington Bowie
4. Southlake Carroll
5. DeSoto
6. Dallas Skyline
7. Coppell
8. Lewisville Hebron
9. FM Marcus
10. Arlingtom Martin



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Carroll at 4? Seriously?

Wow.

People., they are not the same dang team or program. They return 2 starters and that is it. Too much love being shown.

[bigdaddydog]

Carroll at 4? Seriously?

Wow.

People., they are not the same dang team or program. They return 2 starters and that is it. Too much love being shown.

Shhhhhh. We're hunting for Dwaggons!!


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[rhpride]

my take...

1 Trinity
2 Cedar Hill
3 Coppell
4 Hebron (they were very young last year and Defense will much improved)
5 Allen
6 Desoto
7 Bowie
8 Guyer
9 Skyline
10 Plano

[slcdragonfan]

Carroll at 4? Seriously?

Wow.

People., they are not the same dang team or program. They return 2 starters and that is it. Too much love being shown.

You are right, we don't belong @ #4. I would put is in the mix with Hebron & Marcus. Anyone can pick the order, I would put us above Hebron/Marcus at this point, but I could see legitimate arguments the other way as well.

[slcdragonfan]

my take...

1 Trinity
2 Cedar Hill
3 Coppell
4 Hebron (they were very young last year and Defense will much improved)
5 Allen
6 Desoto
7 Bowie
8 Guyer
9 Skyline
10 Plano

Interesting. Cedar Hill should probably be in the mix as well, but they are rebuilding this year, yes? And Guyer is such a dark horse at this point. I think they are a good team, just don't know if they are Top 10 DFW at this point. I think Hebron has the potential, but I don't see them that high at season start since they didn't make the playoffs last year.

[slcdragonfan]

Shhhhhh. We're hunting for Dwaggons!!


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BDD, you'll have to keep hunting.

[farmerfan]

You are right, we don't belong @ #4. I would put is in the mix with Hebron & Marcus. Anyone can pick the order, I would put us above Hebron/Marcus at this point, but I could see legitimate arguments the other way as well.

Why would you put them over Herbon?

Marcus I can understand. But Hebron?

Hebron took a team full of seniors to the wire last year, clearly the kids Carroll have coming up this year were not good enough to start last year or they would have been on the field. They weren't , they have no experience at the important positions and Hebron does. Hebron has proven more with what they have than Carroll has with what they have coming back.

[farmerfan]

Interesting. Cedar Hill should probably be in the mix as well, but they are rebuilding this year, yes? And Guyer is such a dark horse at this point. I think they are a good team, just don't know if they are Top 10 DFW at this point. I think Hebron has the potential, but I don't see them that high at season start since they didn't make the playoffs last year.

You're all about Plano and they didn't even have a .500 record and they had a defense that was flat out terrible last year. You cite their inspired play against Trinity but I just don't buiy that as reason to believe in a team, where was that inspired play at throughout the rest of the season?

Guyer has just as much coming back and other factors to be in the top 10 as teams like Carroll-Hebron and Marcus.

[slcdragonfan]

Why would you put them over Herbon?

Marcus I can understand. But Hebron?

Hebron took a team full of seniors to the wire last year, clearly the kids Carroll have coming up this year were not good enough to start last year or they would have been on the field. They weren't , they have no experience at the important positions and Hebron does. Hebron has proven more with what they have than Carroll has with what they have coming back.

To the wire and over the top are two different things.
While Hebron was close, they still did not make the playoffs with the team. Yes, they were young, but that same team a year older is still unproven in my eyes. Their year last year was reminiscent of the Rockwall team that lost several close, and I have commented about how good that Rockwall team was compared to their record. IMO, same applies to Hebron.

[slcdragonfan]

You're all about Plano and they didn't even have a .500 record and they had a defense that was flat out terrible last year. You cite their inspired play against Trinity but I just don't buiy that as reason to believe in a team, where was that inspired play at throughout the rest of the season?

Guyer has just as much coming back and other factors to be in the top 10 as teams like Carroll-Hebron and Marcus.

Guyer has potential, but coming up from 4A I see them as a dark horse. They bring back talent and staff and program, we'll have to see if the depth is also there and if it translates from 4A to 5A. I don't see where to rank them right now. Carroll/Hebron/Marcus/Guyer are all packed together in my minds eye, like a horse race, right around 10. You can shuffle them up as you see fit.

Plano appeared to be playing their best ball at the right time. Like Katy a few years back, it took them a while to get their sea legs I guess, but when it counted they played well. I had understood they were bringing back a significant part of that same team?

[farmerfan]

To the wire and over the top are two different things.
While Hebron was close, they still did not make the playoffs with the team. Yes, they were young, but that same team a year older is still unproven in my eyes. Their year last year was reminiscent of the Rockwall team that lost several close, and I have commented about how good that Rockwall team was compared to their record. IMO, same applies to Hebron.

and Carroll returns what, 2 starters with playoff experience in positions that while important won't be giving them this huge advantage. Having Carroll ranked over Hebron based on "experience" or lack thereoif and not making the playoffs is being a huge homer sir. Carroll has a bunch of unprovens that will be riding the coat-tails of the players from yesteryear. The kids they have now have done nothing at the varsity level, Hebron has players that are returning that have done things at the varsity level and in positions that are important.

[farmerfan]

Guyer has potential, but coming up from 4A I see them as a dark horse. They bring back talent and staff and program, we'll have to see if the depth is also there and if it translates from 4A to 5A. I don't see where to rank them right now. Carroll/Hebron/Marcus/Guyer are all packed together in my minds eye, like a horse race, right around 10. You can shuffle them up as you see fit.

Plano appeared to be playing their best ball at the right time. Like Katy a few years back, it took them a while to get their sea legs I guess, but when it counted they played well. I had understood they were bringing back a significant part of that same team?

If playing your best ball is still giving up 38 points in defeat then more power to them. The return some nice guys but the thing that helped them against Trinity last year was the advantage they had with the WR's height and size compared to the smaller Trinity DB's. They torched Trinity there. They are still a team who was not .500 but we are to believe they are going to be one of the areas best? Ok. To each his own sir :)

[jbusch]

Guyer has potential, but coming up from 4A I see them as a dark horse. They bring back talent and staff and program, we'll have to see if the depth is also there and if it translates from 4A to 5A. I don't see where to rank them right now. Carroll/Hebron/Marcus/Guyer are all packed together in my minds eye, like a horse race, right around 10. You can shuffle them up as you see fit.

Plano appeared to be playing their best ball at the right time. Like Katy a few years back, it took them a while to get their sea legs I guess, but when it counted they played well. I had understood they were bringing back a significant part of that same team?

slc didn't have much trouble going from 4A to 5A, IMO Guyer won't either

[KT2000]

I'll be interested to see if Guyer will be able to play enough defense to be a top tier team. The offense isn't going to be an issue. The same goes for a team like DeSoto. The offense will be just as good as last year, but defense and special teams will determine whether or not they become elite.

One of the most overlooked aspects of Carroll's championship teams was underrated defensive play. Trinity's been able to offset any defensive weaknesses with its ball control offense. Cedar Hill was exceptionally talented on defense during the 2006 season.

[slcdragonfan]

slc didn't have much trouble going from 4A to 5A, IMO Guyer won't either

I don't think they will have trouble. I am saying they are unknown at the 5A level and before I rank them above Hebron and Marcus and SLC, I want to see them in 5A.

[farmerfan]

slc didn't have much trouble going from 4A to 5A, IMO Guyer won't either

Hebron didn't either. Went 10-2 their first year in 5A with their only 2 losses coming to one of the 2 the best teams in the state that year in Cedar Hill.
The following year they went 11-3 losing a heartbreaker to Abilene in the 4th round. Guyer was blessed with being placed in a not so good district and should be fine IMO.

[slcdragonfan]

and Carroll returns what, 2 starters with playoff experience in positions that while important won't be giving them this huge advantage. Having Carroll ranked over Hebron based on "experience" or lack thereoif and not making the playoffs is being a huge homer sir. Carroll has a bunch of unprovens that will be riding the coat-tails of the players from yesteryear. The kids they have now have done nothing at the varsity level, Hebron has players that are returning that have done things at the varsity level and in positions that are important.

Perhaps so.

Here's what I said though:
Anyone can pick the order, I would put us above Hebron/Marcus at this point, but I could see legitimate arguments the other way as well.

But when I look at this:
Wylie W 37-14
Mesquite W 34-30
Plano L 30-31
Jesuit L 35-38
Abilene Cooper W 45-42
Flower Mound L 30-37
Coppell L 32-38
Lewisville W 52-7
Southlake Carroll L 17-24
Flower Mound Marcus L 28-35

I see a team that played close, but still lost 4 of their last 5 games, and had 6 losses. When is the last time Carroll had 6 losses in a season? I think Hebron will come on, I just don't see them ranked about Carroll at this point.

[farmerfan]

Perhaps so.

Here's what I said though:


But when I look at this:
Wylie W 37-14
Mesquite W 34-30
Plano L 30-31
Jesuit L 35-38
Abilene Cooper W 45-42
Flower Mound L 30-37
Coppell L 32-38
Lewisville W 52-7
Southlake Carroll L 17-24
Flower Mound Marcus L 28-35

I see a team that played close, but still lost 4 of their last 5 games, and had 6 losses. When is the last time Carroll had 6 losses in a season? I think Hebron will come on, I just don't see them ranked about Carroll at this point.


And when I look at what Carroll has coming back I see zero experience on the varsity level with the exception of 2 starters. When was the last time Carroll was so thin there? I hear about a senior class that is very small and hardly has any participation. When was the last time Carroll was so young and inexperienced there?
I look at Carroll's schedule last year and would probably make the argument that 90%+ of their offensive production will be walking around on college campuses come this fall. I would wager that about 90% of the tackles made on defense will also be walking around on college campuses this fall.

Once again, I look at Planosucks schedule from a year ago and see a team that returns quite of few from a defense who surrendered over 30 pts in 6 of their 12 games. I see a team who gave up 43 points in their final game of the year. A team who was very inconsistent as the year went on and finished 5-7 but you hype them up as they are the next great thing? Based on "inspired" play against Trinity? Hell, Coppell was better than Planosucks last year and Hebron played "inspired" ball against the Cowboys on the road, but you don't give them credit for htat? Interesting.

Also, you cite returning experience from a team who made the playoffs, well FM returns a crap load on offense and they made the playoffs and had a winning record to boot. Yet I don't see you hyping them up. Hmmm :)

[slcdragonfan]

If playing your best ball is still giving up 38 points in defeat then more power to them. The return some nice guys but the thing that helped them against Trinity last year was the advantage they had with the WR's height and size compared to the smaller Trinity DB's. They torched Trinity there. They are still a team who was not .500 but we are to believe they are going to be one of the areas best? Ok. To each his own sir :)

Macarthur L 13-14
De Soto L 13-45
Hebron W 31-30
Temple L 14-17
Plano East L 14-38
Wylie W 27-20
Plano West L 20-30
Allen L 7-51
Boyd W 24-16
Dallas Jesuit W 21-12
Duncanville W 28-17
Trinity L 38-41

Plano started out looking not so good. They ended the season with 2 wins and 2 losses, and looked better in the playoffs. I liked the way they were headed. They have to find some things you are correct there. In retrospect, I would move them down below Allen and Skyline. Perhaps lower.

[slcdragonfan]

And when I look at what Carroll has coming back I see zero experience on the varsity level with the exception of 2 starters. When was the last time Carroll was so thin there? I hear about a senior class that is very small and hardly has any participation. When was the last time Carroll was so young and inexperienced there?
I look at Carroll's schedule last year and would probably make the argument that 90%+ of their offensive production will be walking around on college campuses come this fall. I would wager that about 90% of the tackles made on defense will also be walking around on college campuses this fall.

Once again, I look at Planosucks schedule from a year ago and see a team that returns quite of few from a defense who surrendered over 30 pts in 6 of their 12 games. I see a team who gave up 43 points in their final game of the year. A team who was very inconsistent as the year went on and finished 5-7 but you hype them up as they are the next great thing? Based on "inspired" play against Trinity? Hell, Coppell was better than Planosucks last year and Hebron played "inspired" ball against the Cowboys on the road, but you don't give them credit for htat? Interesting.

Also, you cite returning experience from a team who made the playoffs, well FM returns a crap load on offense and they made the playoffs and had a winning record to boot. Yet I don't see you hyping them up. Hmmm :)

You and I both know why. That problem has not been shown to be fixed yet. IF they fix the Defense, then watch out.

[farmerfan]

Macarthur L 13-14
De Soto L 13-45
Hebron W 31-30
Temple L 14-17
Plano East L 14-38
Wylie W 27-20
Plano West L 20-30
Allen L 7-51
Boyd W 24-16
Dallas Jesuit W 21-12
Duncanville W 28-17
Trinity L 38-41

Plano started out looking not so good. They ended the season with 2 wins and 2 losses, and looked better in the playoffs. I liked the way they were headed. They have to find some things you are correct there. In retrospect, I would move them down below Allen and Skyline. Perhaps lower.

Giving up 28 points a game not exactly something that screams a "top" team coming back but I am glad you looked into it and see the concern that others have about the Suck for this next year.

[farmerfan]

You and I both know why. That problem has not been shown to be fixed yet. IF they fix the Defense, then watch out.

I concur but would say the same about Planosucks and Carroll with the lack of experience and youth they will have at positions this year

[slcdragonfan]

I concur but would say the same about Planosucks and Carroll with the lack of experience and youth they will have at positions this year

There are many questions for Carroll this year. The lack of returning starters is only one part. A change to the 3-4 is another. New OC/DC is another. From what I have seen so far (and it is very early), we are adapting well offensively to the changes. The biggest questions are the O-Line and the D. I haven't seen enough at this point.

So there is justification for questions and rearrangement. I wouldn't question too much if someone else ranked it differently. I've given my reasons, but there are good reasons to put Hebron up as well. I am not at the Hebron practices so I can't judge how they are turning the corner this year. We all do know they have speed. Plenty of it from appearances.

If it is the homer in me (I didn't think so, was trying to be honest), please forgive my impartiality. :)

[farmerfan]

Macarthur L 13-14
De Soto L 13-45
Hebron W 31-30
Temple L 14-17
Plano East L 14-38
Wylie W 27-20
Plano West L 20-30
Allen L 7-51
Boyd W 24-16
Dallas Jesuit W 21-12
Duncanville W 28-17
Trinity L 38-41

Plano started out looking not so good. They ended the season with 2 wins and 2 losses, and looked better in the playoffs. I liked the way they were headed. They have to find some things you are correct there. In retrospect, I would move them down below Allen and Skyline. Perhaps lower.

After running the numbers from Planosucks lat year, I am still failing to see why so many (not just you) are more high on them than others. The sucks average game last year was 21-28. They gave up 81 more than they scored. Where it gets even more intersting is against teams that made the playoffs they were 1-6. When they played against teams who made the playoffs their avg score was not good. They were outscored in those 7 games by a margin of 237-133 for an avg score of 34-19. Take away the Duncanville game which is their only victory agaisnt playoff team and that then goes to 37-18.
So you liked the way they were headed when playing against non-playoff teams because by all other indications they still return nothing that makes me think theyare night and day better than the schools they will be going up against and other programs in the area.

[farmerfan]

There are many questions for Carroll this year. The lack of returning starters is only one part. A change to the 3-4 is another. New OC/DC is another. From what I have seen so far (and it is very early), we are adapting well offensively to the changes. The biggest questions are the O-Line and the D. I haven't seen enough at this point.

So there is justification for questions and rearrangement. I wouldn't question too much if someone else ranked it differently. I've given my reasons, but there are good reasons to put Hebron up as well. I am not at the Hebron practices so I can't judge how they are turning the corner this year. We all do know they have speed. Plenty of it from appearances.

If it is the homer in me (I didn't think so, was trying to be honest), please forgive my impartiality. :)

Everybody looks good at this point in the year. Teams that were not so good last year look better. It is how people always view the spring. It's all apart of that "greatest" JV team in school history syndrome we see around here.
It's one thing to look like you are adapting well when you practice agaisnt each other but it's another thing when you go live against somebody else.

[slcdragonfan]

Everybody looks good at this point in the year. Teams that were not so good last year look better. It is how people always view the spring. It's all apart of that "greatest" JV team in school history syndrome we see around here.
It's one thing to look like you are adapting well when you practice agaisnt each other but it's another thing when you go live against somebody else.

yep.

Would you rank Hebron above Plano? And why? Point scored/allowed comparison? Even though Plano beat Hebron (1 point of course, but....)

[farmerfan]

yep.

Would you rank Hebron above Plano? And why? Point scored/allowed comparison? Even though Plano beat Hebron (1 point of course, but....)

Geno is on vacation this week so his rules do not count ;)
Hebron had missed opportunities in that game. A missed XP cost them but so did a huge officiating error that prevented Hebron from attempting a very short FG and time expired. Never shoud have and the Hawks should have been given the chance to kick a FG at the end of the first half. They weren't and thus we will never know if that 3 pts would have been the difference. I would say that Hebron and Planosucks were very equal teams a year ago, going into Clark and playing a winless Planosucks team didn't help the Hawks much.
I would say based on their speed, experience, coaching, returning talent that yes, Hebron would be ranked higher than Planosucks in my book. Planosucks had a very inconsistent team last year and they were far from great offesnsively. The scores from last year show that. Before you cite the game against Trinity remember Trinity fielded a below average defense for their standards and around an average defense for most others standards.
Planosucks like Hebron needs to find more consistency in order to be ranked high in my book. I still think based on talent, hunger and having a huge chip on their shoulder that Hebron will come out and challenge Allen for the district title. I still have Planosucks coming in 4th in the 85 next year

[farmerfan]

Trinity
DeSoto
Coppell
Allen are the 4 favorities out of the gate IMO. There is a lot of separation between those 4 and everybody else.

After that it would be tough to rank but I would probably go

Hebron
Bowie
Martin
Marcus
Guyer
Skyline
Cedar Hill
Planosucks
Carroll
FM
Heritage/Grapevine and like others have shown, there will be various orders for those schools with some or most being left out.

[E-Vol-ution]

Trinity
DeSoto
Coppell
Allen are the 4 favorities out of the gate IMO. There is a lot of separation between those 4 and everybody else.

After that it would be tough to rank but I would probably go

Hebron
Bowie
Martin
Marcus
Guyer
Skyline
Cedar Hill
Planosucks
Carroll
FM
Heritage/Grapevine and like others have shown, there will be various orders for those schools with some or most being left out.

I would put Trinity apart from anyone else and then say it's a pick-em with the next three including Bowie and Martin in that group.

[slcdragonfan]

Trinity
DeSoto
Coppell
Allen are the 4 favorities out of the gate IMO. There is a lot of separation between those 4 and everybody else.

After that it would be tough to rank but I would probably go

Hebron
Bowie
Martin
Marcus
Guyer
Skyline
Cedar Hill
Planosucks
Carroll
FM
Heritage/Grapevine and like others have shown, there will be various orders for those schools with some or most being left out.

Hebron over Bowie? and you are calling ME a homer? :)

[farmerfan]

Hebron over Bowie? and you are calling ME a homer? :)

Yes. Was tough to pick between Bowie and Hebron. Bowie lost some good players from a year ago. They have the coaching that is for sure but they also lost an excellent coach too. Hebron was probably 5-7 plays away from going 9-1 to possibly 10-0 last year. That's how the dice rolls and it did not go in Hebron's favor when you have experienced youth it's funny how the rolls start to go the other way in a matter of a year's time.

[E-Vol-ution]

Yes. Was tough to pick between Bowie and Hebron. Bowie lost some good players from a year ago. They have the coaching that is for sure but they also lost an excellent coach too. Hebron was probably 5-7 plays away from going 9-1 to possibly 10-0 last year. That's how the dice rolls and it did not go in Hebron's favor when you have experienced youth it's funny how the rolls start to go the other way in a matter of a year's time.

Trust me.....we're a better team this year,
especially on defense and the offensive balance.
We'll be able play a much more versatile game.
Fuller was a good one as was Miller before him.
Coach Perry is the constant..........

[farmerfan]

Trust me.....we're a better team this year,
especially on defense and the offensive balance.
We'll be able play a much more versatile game.
Fuller was a good one as was Miller before him.
Coach Perry is the constant..........

I have no reason not to trust. In May, everybody is better than they were a year ago. Even the teams who lost all 22 starters from a 16-0 teams that outscored their opponents 800-0 :)

Coach Perry is the constant you are right about that, the man is a great coach and done incredible things. How is the QB and WR play going to shape up? You guys going to go back to running the rock more than from a year ago?

[E-Vol-ution]

I have no reason not to trust. In May, everybody is better than they were a year ago. Even the teams who lost all 22 starters from a 16-0 teams that outscored their opponents 800-0 :)

Coach Perry is the constant you are right about that, the man is a great coach and done incredible things. How is the QB and WR play going to shape up? You guys going to go back to running the rock more than from a year ago?

Sergio Cantu is a classic QB who throws a beautiful ball. He's 6'3" and a little over 200lbs.........sees the field well and is slight of hand.
WRs are speedsters, not as tall as the last group but one in particular should provide stellar play. (7 on 7 will be a proving ground for a couple)
The run game will be primary(big relief) ...........and one guy is a secret weapon (triple threat) in the wings. (Coach Perry will have to put this kid on the field).
Russell Hansborough is bigger, faster and familiar with the style of play.

[pied]

Sergio Cantu is a classic QB who throws a beautiful ball. He's 6'3" and a little over 200lbs.........sees the field well and is slight of hand.
WRs are speedsters, not as tall as the last group but one in particular should provide stellar play. (7 on 7 will be a proving ground for a couple)
The run game will be primary(big relief) ...........and one guy is a secret weapon (triple threat) in the wings. (Coach Perry will have to put this kid on the field).
Russell Hansborough is bigger, faster and familiar with the style of play.

Have to go to Cravens on 10/15. Things should be abck to normal by then with Lamar running AISD. Hope you enjoyed your 15 minutes.

[farmerfan]

Sergio Cantu is a classic QB who throws a beautiful ball. He's 6'3" and a little over 200lbs.........sees the field well and is slight of hand.
WRs are speedsters, not as tall as the last group but one in particular should provide stellar play. (7 on 7 will be a proving ground for a couple)
The run game will be primary(big relief) ...........and one guy is a secret weapon (triple threat) in the wings. (Coach Perry will have to put this kid on the field).
Russell Hansborough is bigger, faster and familiar with the style of play.

Are these guys mainly going to be seniors?

Were they playing JV a year ago? Were the apart of the greatest JV team in school history?;) (That was a joke)

[KT2000]

I would put Trinity apart from anyone else and then say it's a pick-em with the next three including Bowie and Martin in that group.

I agree with you here. Trinity has the potential to be a complete football team, or pretty close to it if they can address some need areas. I haven't seen anyone else (yet) on Trinity's level in this regard.

If Trinity returned experience at QB, this team could be comparable to the 2005 group offensively. The returning experience on the offensive line is a plus over 2008. Plus, the 08 skill guys weren't as gifted overall as this group. This is the most impressive group of skill talent I've seen on a Trinity team since the 05 team.

[E-Vol-ution]

Are these guys mainly going to be seniors?

Were they playing JV a year ago? Were the apart of the greatest JV team in school history?;) (That was a joke)

lol.........Sergio was back-up QB last year, most of these guys were on varsity as sophomores last year and a handful were on JV. The greatest team in school history was these sophomores as freshmen beating the undefeated JV team.:D That's not a joke......lol
Attrition set in but it's expected out of 130 kids.
I'm impressed most by the defense in reality.
Then again.....these guys haven't done jack and are 0-0.

[farmerfan]

lol.........Sergio was back-up QB last year, most of these guys were on varsity as sophomores last year and a handful were on JV. The greatest team in school history was these sophomores as freshmen beating the undefeated JV team.:D That's not a joke......lol
Attrition set in but it's expected out of 130 kids.
I'm impressed most by the defense in reality.
Then again.....these guys haven't done jack and are 0-0.

So the greatest freshman team in school history defeated the greatest JV team in schools history? Awesome ;);)

What is it about the defense that is sticking out the most?

Speed?
Size?
Both?

[E-Vol-ution]

Have to go to Cravens on 10/15. Things should be abck to normal by then with Lamar running AISD. Hope you enjoyed your 15 minutes.

Coach Perry will hold out the pea in the palm of his hand............:D

[E-Vol-ution]

So the greatest freshman team in school history defeated the greatest JV team in schools history? Awesome ;);)

What is it about the defense that is sticking out the most?

Speed?
Size?
Both?

They have those things but it's the way they work and feed off of each other more than anything else.
Most of these kids over the past three years got used to winning and expect it, this group takes pride in stopping people from scoring and do drills afterward. They're fun.

[pied]

Coach Perry will hold out the pea in the palm of his hand............:D

Perry is going to walk onto the hallowed field in No. Arlington and crumble. You and I both know that.

[E-Vol-ution]

Perry is going to walk onto the hallowed field in No. Arlington and crumble. You and I both know that.

Only his hat will crumble (hope he has a new one) once he's ticked off.....but he will keep the pea in his hand.

[WildcatFan2]

I'm not sure where to rank everyone, but I do know Plano will be vastly improved this season. They have 3 solid running back with speed and good hands, Mickelson had a tremendous game against Trinity and has looked good this spring, the defense will have size and speed.

If they stay healthy, they will contend for the top spot in the district. I'm not sure about Allen. They lost a LOT and there's a big question mark at QB.

[farmerfan]

I'm not sure where to rank everyone, but I do know Plano will be vastly improved this season. They have 3 solid running back with speed and good hands, Mickelson had a tremendous game against Trinity and has looked good this spring, the defense will have size and speed.

If they stay healthy, they will contend for the top spot in the district. I'm not sure about Allen. They lost a LOT and there's a big question mark at QB.

Another one, yes. I'm telling ya, every spring every QB and every offense and every defense looks good. It's a wonder there are any bad teams out there ;)

[Steve Ulmer]

After running the numbers from Planosucks lat year, I am still failing to see why so many (not just you) are more high on them than others. The sucks average game last year was 21-28. They gave up 81 more than they scored. Where it gets even more intersting is against teams that made the playoffs they were 1-6. When they played against teams who made the playoffs their avg score was not good. They were outscored in those 7 games by a margin of 237-133 for an avg score of 34-19. Take away the Duncanville game which is their only victory agaisnt playoff team and that then goes to 37-18.
So you liked the way they were headed when playing against non-playoff teams because by all other indications they still return nothing that makes me think theyare night and day better than the schools they will be going up against and other programs in the area.

1st. We are PLANO!!
2nd. We get an easier schedule with the LISD gracing our presence this year. Plano is 10-0 against farm, jag, hawk, mau & I'll throw in Coug as well the last time they were in district. 4 of the 5 haven't ever beaten Plano and we all know how Lewisville is looking. I bet they will have a great Theatre program though.:)

3rd. Our offense is settled with QB, RB's and Defense will give up half as many points. Plus in the age of the spread offense giving up 25 points again or so isn't that bad.

[farmerfan]

1st. We are PLANOSUCKS!!
2nd. We get an easier schedule with the LISD gracing our presence this year. Plano is 10-0 against farm, jag, hawk, mau & I'll throw in Coug as well the last time they were in district. 4 of the 5 haven't ever beaten Plano and we all know how Lewisville is looking. I bet they will have a great Theatre program though.:)

3rd. Our offense is settled with QB, RB's and Defense will give up half as many points. Plus in the age of the spread offense giving up 25 points again or so isn't that bad.

Was wondering when you were going to chime in.

We sure do miss it when you don't post, PWF.

PWF, you are my second favorite Planosucks poster after maroondog.

How are the girls?


FYI
Hebron and Planosucks have never been in the same district together.

[yankee]

Euless Trinity
Arlington Bowie
Coppell
Desoto
Arlington Martin
Hebron
Southlake Carroll
Allen
Garland
Denton Guyer


DFW sure seems wide open this year...in fact, i think the top 10 at the end of the year will look a lot different. i felt like 4-10 could really go anywhere. oh well, it's just one guys opinion. hopefully it won't get ripped too badly by some folks, considering pre-season polls mean nothing and it's just an opinion. :)

[slcdragonfan]

Euless Trinity
Arlington Bowie
Coppell
Desoto
Arlington Martin
Hebron
Southlake Carroll
Allen
Garland
Denton Guyer


DFW sure seems wide open this year...in fact, i think the top 10 at the end of the year will look a lot different. i felt like 4-10 could really go anywhere. oh well, it's just one guys opinion. hopefully it won't get ripped too badly by some folks, considering pre-season polls mean nothing and it's just an opinion. :)

Yep, I've been wondering about Allen and what returns.
Also, why are you putting Hebron above Carroll? Hebron lost what, 5 or 6 games last year and missed the playoffs? :eek:;) I lol'd as I typed this....
Take it easy FF.....

[farmerfan]

Yep, I've been wondering about Allen and what returns.
Also, why are you putting Hebron above Carroll? Hebron lost what, 5 or 6 games last year and missed the playoffs? :eek:;) I lol'd as I typed this....
Take it easy FF.....

Sir,

I actually laughed. You have come a long way in a year. Your ability to laugh at thigns now and become a pretty cool smartass is noted. I can appreciate a lot of your humor now. I am proud of you and will take a little bit of credit in helping shape your new found "sarcasm". I rank it a 11 out of 10

[slcdragonfan]

Sir,

I actually laughed. You have come a long way in a year. Your ability to laugh at thigns now and become a pretty cool smartass is noted. I can appreciate a lot of your humor now. I am proud of you and will take a little bit of credit in helping shape your new found "sarcasm". I rank it a 11 out of 10

That's 1 nacho for you, two nachos for me, 1 nacho for you, two nachos for me....:)

I'm trying to peace out in the yard as well. Too much intensity makes for leaky heart valves and a short life.

[farmerfan]

That's 1 nacho for you, two nachos for me, 1 nacho for you, two nachos for me....:)

I'm trying to peace out in the yard as well. Too much intensity makes for leaky heart valves and a short life.

Actually, after Hebron beats Carroll in the first round of hte playoffs it will be a plate full of nachos for me and chips and salsa for you :p

[LordByron]

Ok Yankee Texans, jimmycrackcorn called out the H-Town crew so i'm calling you out.

Gimme your top 10 in the DFW! I know they are all better than the skeeterville boys, just wanted to see who was gonna knock us out!:yes:

I'll start and then you can tell me.....


1. Euless Trinity
2. Arlington Bowie
3. DeSoto
4. Dallas Skyline
5. Allen
6. Plano sucks
7. Southlake Carroll
8. Lewisville Hebron
9. FM Marcus
10. Arlingtom Martin
Arlington Martin has as good a shot at winning the Division 1 Class AAAAA state championship as anyone. In the playoffs last year they lost to Trinity in the third round of the playoffs in a close gme. Martin returns most all of their players and brings up some very talented underclassmen. I see another playoff between the two again this year. Bowie will be a little down but they're still Bowie.

[SWMHebron]

Yep, I've been wondering about Allen and what returns.
Also, why are you putting Hebron above Carroll? Hebron lost what, 5 or 6 games last year and missed the playoffs? :eek:;) I lol'd as I typed this....
Take it easy FF.....

I have heard a lot about how much Carroll lost from last year's team. Hebron is returning the QB, RB, both wide receivers and has added a hot WR/RB that transferred from some where in Florida.

The defense was the weak link last year. While I reserve judgment until I see what they can do, if the defense can make a few tackles they have potential. We know they have speed. The core of the DBs for next year got enough points to finish 7th at the state track meet.

Would I put them ahead of Carroll in a poll right now? No. But neither am I going to drag out last years' losses to project this years' record.

[E-Vol-ution]

Arlington Martin has as good a shot at winning the Division 1 Class AAAAA state championship as anyone. In the playoffs last year they lost to Trinity in the third round of the playoffs in a close gme. Martin returns most all of their players and brings up some very talented underclassmen. I see another playoff between the two again this year. Bowie will be a little down but they're still Bowie.

I agree with the first statement............but disagree with the last; Bowie isn't down, we're better.

[bigdaddydog]

I'm not sure where to rank everyone, but I do know Plano will be vastly improved this season. They have 3 solid running back with speed and good hands, Mickelson had a tremendous game against Trinity and has looked good this spring, the defense will have size and speed.

If they stay healthy, they will contend for the top spot in the district. I'm not sure about Allen. They lost a LOT and there's a big question mark at QB.

Amen!!:notworthy Allen has got to be one of the most suspect teams in 8-5A this season. :cool:

As for Plano being that good, well there is a real opportunity for multiple teams to be in the running for the PCC this season. I'd say this is the year the Home team starts protecting the Mystique...:D


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[farmerfan]

Amen!!:notworthy Allen has got to be one of the most suspect teams in 8-5A this season. :cool:

As for Plano being that good, well there is a real opportunity for multiple teams to be in the running for the PCC this season. I'd say this is the year the Home team starts protecting the Mystique...:D


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So what you're syaing is Allen is going to once again protect Clark? :rofl:

[LordByron]

I agree with the first statement............but disagree with the last; Bowie isn't down, we're better.
I don't disagree with what you say E-Vol-ution. Perhaps I should have said Bowie will be down on paper. BTW, I enjoy your posts. Thanks for the respect you have shown Martin. That's rather uncommon for district rivals.

BTW, we have a stud defensive lineman up off the freshman team. As a freshman last year, he was bigger than anybody on our varsity. Southern Cal has already shown interest in him. He was running on the first team at DT the other day in spring practice.

[E-Vol-ution]

I don't disagree with what you say E-Vol-ution. Perhaps I should have said Bowie will be down on paper. BTW, I enjoy your posts. Thanks for the respect you have shown Martin. That's rather uncommon for district rivals.

BTW, we have a stud defensive lineman up off the freshman team. As a freshman last year, he was bigger than anybody on our varsity. Southern Cal has already shown interest in him. He was running on the first team at DT the other day in spring practice.

Thanks for the props..........I'm all for the 4-5A.
Please continue posting with Martin updates.............

I didn't see the freshmen play last year.....but was impressed by your JV.
(That break from the huddle, sprint to the line of scrimmage and quick snap used to tick me off)lol

[stinger]

Arlington Martin has as good a shot at winning the Division 1 Class AAAAA state championship as anyone. In the playoffs last year they lost to Trinity in the third round of the playoffs in a close gme. Martin returns most all of their players and brings up some very talented underclassmen. I see another playoff between the two again this year. Bowie will be a little down but they're still Bowie.


Then there was the kickoff...not close if you were there.

[Steve Ulmer]

Plano will be PCC's, & Allen City champs, Lewisville city champs and district champs. In additon they will beat Trinity somewhere along their playoff run.

2010 will be good year for the CATS

[LordByron]

Then there was the kickoff...not close if you were there.
I was there. Trinity had just a four point lead late into the fourth quarter. Not bad considering not a single flag was thrown against Trinity all day.

[slcdragonfan]

I was there. Trinity had just a four point lead late into the fourth quarter. Not bad considering not a single flag was thrown against Trinity all day.

Yeah, we KNOW the refs love Trinity.:rolleyes:

[farmerfan]

PLANO WILDCAT FAN[/COLOR][/SIZE];1515933]Plano will be PCC's, & Allen City champs, Lewisville city champs and district champs. In additon they will beat Trinity somewhere along their playoff run.

2010 will be good year for the CATS

Good to hear from you PWF

[jbusch]

Arlington Martin has as good a shot at winning the Division 1 Class AAAAA state championship as anyone. In the playoffs last year they lost to Trinity in the third round of the playoffs in a close gme. Martin returns most all of their players and brings up some very talented underclassmen. I see another playoff between the two again this year. Bowie will be a little down but they're still Bowie.

evidently ET is the benchmark, so many teams played ET close last year that just a few adjustments will put those teams over the top and ordering rings. What makes you think ET hasn't made a few adjustments - oh yeah I guess that would be ET posters and their train load of sandbags.

[jbusch]

I agree with you here. Trinity has the potential to be a complete football team, or pretty close to it if they can address some need areas. I haven't seen anyone else (yet) on Trinity's level in this regard.

If Trinity returned experience at QB, this team could be comparable to the 2005 group offensively. The returning experience on the offensive line is a plus over 2008. Plus, the 08 skill guys weren't as gifted overall as this group. This is the most impressive group of skill talent I've seen on a Trinity team since the 05 team.
Dang - Here's a guy that can see through sandbags :mad::D

[stinger]

I was there. Trinity had just a four point lead late into the fourth quarter. Not bad considering not a single flag was thrown against Trinity all day.


Let's see....the two Arlington schools...37-19 and 47-17...how close is that??? A real heart stopper for me too. So you think Trinity not getting flagged and playing a clean game was the difference? I agree...the refs have ALWAYS liked Trinity better; but against who?

[chhspantherfan]

Let's see....the two Arlington schools...37-19 and 47-17...how close is that??? A real heart stopper for me too. So you think Trinity not getting flagged and playing a clean game was the difference? I agree...the refs have ALWAYS liked Trinity better; but against who?

whom, my TC friend.

[trainin' the game]

Yeah, we KNOW the refs love Trinity.:rolleyes:

:rofl: yea they do as long as they are winning....


if they are losing you better have that paddy wagon and stun guns ready!!!! kinda remind me of galveston ball after a loss.


wow you went there; i almost spit coffee all over my computer.

[slcdragonfan]

:rofl: yea they do as long as they are winning....


if they are losing you better have that paddy wagon and stun guns ready!!!! kinda remind me of galveston ball after a loss.


wow you went there; i almost spit coffee all over my computer.

We played Galveston Ball when I was in High School <Pasadena Sam Rayburn>. They pretty much had their way with us. The main thing I remember is their drill team. Wow! could they dance. Everything else is fuzzy....

[stinger]

whom, my TC friend.



Damn!!! and what i do for a living...where is spellcheck???!!!

[trojanbacker]

I was there. Trinity had just a four point lead late into the fourth quarter. Not bad considering not a single flag was thrown against Trinity all day.

The score doesn't reflect how close the game was. I was there and worried until the final gun. I really think under Coach Wager, Martin is going to be a threat every year. That running back you had....can't remember his name....he was as good as anyone we saw all year.

AHS though....not so much.

[bigdaddydog]

The score doesn't reflect how close the game was. I was there and worried until the final gun. I really think under Coach Wager, Martin is going to be a threat every year. That running back you had....can't remember his name....he was as good as anyone we saw all year.

AHS though....not so much.

Dude, could you be a bit less specific when throwing out the AHS brand. :D

I'm starting to think I'm gonna have to actually make the trip over to Martin when we scrimmage them. The way folks are talking it should be some top notch play. The ony bad part is I hate scrimmages vs real games...:(

As for Plano, I am so up in the air, I have a gut feel that are gonna be all that PWF touts them to be, but I keep hearing from District Insiders who say they are overall slow and undersized... Hmmmm.

Then there are those pesky Jaguars, I keep hearing rumblings about them everywhere I go.


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[dragonpants]

I think Martin should get in there for a preseason choice.

I do not know about Martin but Coppell deserves to be there and at this point Carroll should not neither should Plano and there are lot's of question marks regarding Allen this year.

[dragonpants]

Based on the athletes out at DeSoto..

There is no secret that they deserve to be ranked one.

They still need a coach.

[dragonpants]

Sergio Cantu is a classic QB who throws a beautiful ball. He's 6'3" and a little over 200lbs.........sees the field well and is slight of hand.
WRs are speedsters, not as tall as the last group but one in particular should provide stellar play. (7 on 7 will be a proving ground for a couple)
The run game will be primary(big relief) ...........and one guy is a secret weapon (triple threat) in the wings. (Coach Perry will have to put this kid on the field).
Russell Hansborough is bigger, faster and familiar with the style of play.

Anyone with the last name of Cantu is supposed to be playing at Carroll. Who the heck is the recruiter assigned to Arlington? :mad:

[chhspantherfan]

Anyone with the last name of Cantu is supposed to be playing at Carroll. Who the heck is the recruiter assigned to Arlington? :mad:

exactly.....................

[E-Vol-ution]

Anyone with the last name of Cantu is supposed to be playing at Carroll. Who the heck is the recruiter assigned to Arlington? :mad:

lol.....wasn't his little sister kicking butt attending a rival school?

[E-Vol-ution]

exactly.....................

HEY....I thought you were impartial in 2010.:)

[LordByron]

evidently ET is the benchmark, so many teams played ET close last year that just a few adjustments will put those teams over the top and ordering rings. What makes you think ET hasn't made a few adjustments - oh yeah I guess that would be ET posters and their train load of sandbags.
I don't beleve I put Martin over Trinity.

[LordByron]

Let's see....the two Arlington schools...37-19 and 47-17...how close is that??? A real heart stopper for me too. So you think Trinity not getting flagged and playing a clean game was the difference? I agree...the refs have ALWAYS liked Trinity better; but against who?
If you were there Stinger, surely you remember Trinity led by 4 points as the fourth quarter quarter started. Then Trinity started a long drive that featured more fourth down plays I believe I have ever seen in a drive. That drive ate up nearly the entire quarter and allowed Trinityto go ahead by 11. Martin had no choice but to start throwing the ball. Trinity intercepted a pass and scored. That's a game that is much closer than the final score indicates. Are you sure you were at the gane, Stinger?

As far as Trinity getting no penalties, surely that is an oddity. Look in the sports pages next fall on Saturday and tell me how many teams get zero penalties. One in a hundred? One in two hundred?

[HebronHawk]

To the wire and over the top are two different things.
While Hebron was close, they still did not make the playoffs with the team. Yes, they were young, but that same team a year older is still unproven in my eyes. Their year last year was reminiscent of the Rockwall team that lost several close, and I have commented about how good that Rockwall team was compared to their record. IMO, same applies to Hebron.

Hebron is very young. I wouldn't put them in the preseason top 10. We had a freshman running back last year. Our QB is back along with some tremendous fast wide receivers but we missed the PO's.

We are in a tougher district and everyone knows that Plano beats up on the LISD schools when they play them, right. :notworthy

Defense is totally unproven even though we have quite a few returning starters.

I just hope we can stay out of the District 8-5A cellar this year.

[slcdragonfan]

Hebron is very young. I wouldn't put them in the preseason top 10. We had a freshman running back last year. Our QB is back along with some tremendous fast wide receivers but we missed the PO's.

We are in a tougher district and everyone knows that Plano beats up on the LISD schools when they play them, right. :notworthy

Defense is totally unproven even though we have quite a few returning starters.

I just hope we can stay out of the District 8-5A cellar this year.

Good to see you back HH.

While I detect some grains of sand in your post, mebbe a lot :D, That is what I was thinking. There was no disrespect meant. There is a lot of promise, so I would put them in the mix, but still a lot of unknowns.

[HebronHawk]

I have been super busy with politics. I am actually running for a statewide Republican party office right now. Not enough hours in the day. :heli:

[slcdragonfan]

I have been super busy with politics. I am actually running for a statewide Republican party office right now. Not enough hours in the day. :heli:

AHA! So you are a jogger? What do you carry when you jog? ;)

Wish you the best. How will we know to vote for you? We need some 5A guys up there. You aren't an incumbent are you?

[HebronHawk]

My office will be voted on at the Republican State Convention in Dallas on June 12th by the State Convention Delegates. I currently serve as the Vice Chair of the Denton County Republican Party.

I will serve on the Board of Directors (SREC) of the State Republican Party, if successful.

[slcdragonfan]

My office will be voted on at the Republican State Convention in Dallas on June 12th by the State Convention Delegates. I currently serve as the Vice Chair of the Denton County Republican Party.

I will serve on the Board of Directors (SREC) of the State Republican Party, if successful.

:notworthy

[stinger]

If you were there Stinger, surely you remember Trinity led by 4 points as the fourth quarter quarter started. Then Trinity started a long drive that featured more fourth down plays I believe I have ever seen in a drive. That drive ate up nearly the entire quarter and allowed Trinityto go ahead by 11. Martin had no choice but to start throwing the ball. Trinity intercepted a pass and scored. That's a game that is much closer than the final score indicates. Are you sure you were at the gane, Stinger?

As far as Trinity getting no penalties, surely that is an oddity. Look in the sports pages next fall on Saturday and tell me how many teams get zero penalties. One in a hundred? One in two hundred?



Being a season ticket holder since 96, I was there (game...or gane?) What's the big deal about no penalties anyway? It has happened before, and will happen again.Trinity just did what they were capable of doing in the second half. They answered the bell and came out swinging. Check out the state finals and see the same thing. They play to win, not destroy and humiliate. Check out the history to confirm that. I am not sure where your grudge is directed. Is it that the half time score was close and shows how Arlington "almost" beat Trinity, or is it the lack of penalties called on Trinity? You haven't mentioned any plays that could have been questioned and would have made a game difference had they been called. Don't read into this...Arling played well and hard, but not well or hard enough.

[E-Vol-ution]

Sergio Cantu is a classic QB who throws a beautiful ball. He's 6'3" and a little over 200lbs.........sees the field well and is slight of hand.
WRs are speedsters, not as tall as the last group but one in particular should provide stellar play. (7 on 7 will be a proving ground for a couple)
The run game will be primary(big relief) ...........and one guy is a secret weapon (triple threat) in the wings. (Coach Perry will have to put this kid on the field).
Russell Hansborough is bigger, faster and familiar with the style of play.
The backups are speed guys with a couple of bruisers on the side.
Our offensive line loses one guy........
The defense returns two starters on the line and the entire secondary.
Linebackers will be near or better than '07.
Quite a few guys also have game time experience.
The newbies are very good.

To put this in retrospect, we had 4 returning starters on last year's team.

[LordByron]

Being a season ticket holder since 96, I was there (game...or gane?) What's the big deal about no penalties anyway? It has happened before, and will happen again.Trinity just did what they were capable of doing in the second half. They answered the bell and came out swinging. Check out the state finals and see the same thing. They play to win, not destroy and humiliate. Check out the history to confirm that. I am not sure where your grudge is directed. Is it that the half time score was close and shows how Arlington "almost" beat Trinity, or is it the lack of penalties called on Trinity? You haven't mentioned any plays that could have been questioned and would have made a game difference had they been called. Don't read into this...Arling played well and hard, but not well or hard enough.
I don't think I have a grudge. I have total respect for Trinity. I think I paid respect for Trinity after the game last year when I commended them for making zero mistakes and that is the mark of a champion. By the same token, it was a close game. Referee calls that made a difference? How about the late hit calls on Martin early in the third quarter. They stopped some big plays. There were several plays where Trinity should have been called for late hits that weren't called. How about the kickoff that started that long drive inthe third quarter? The Trinity player brought that ball out to the one yard line but it was ruled a touchback. That was huge for Trinity to start on the 20 instead of the 1 yard line. On that drive where they had all of those four down series and they made the first down by inches? We thought that there were several of those spots by the referee that gave Trinity the first downs. I saw plenty of holding calls on Trinity that weren't called.

I will end this discussion with you Stinger by saying that was a close game and reiterating my original statement that Martin has as good a shot as anybody at winning the Division 1 Class AAAAA championship.

[da hawaiian]

For me the biggest turning point was late in the 4th when Belomy hit #5 for a huge play to the 20 but the play is wiped out when Martin gets called for 10 men on the field.

[chhspantherfan]

For me the biggest turning point was late in the 4th when Belomy hit #5 for a huge play to the 20 but the play is wiped out when Martin gets called for 10 men on the field.

seriously? It is legal to play with 10. Just not more than 11.

[da hawaiian]

seriously? It is legal to play with 10. Just not more than 11.

Is it? I counted 10 men on the field when the flag went into the air. I missed the call. Youre right tho, it's legal (shock)

[farmerfan]

seriously? It is legal to play with 10. Just not more than 11.

Those dang refs are always out to get Trinity:cool:;)

[chhspantherfan]

Byron's comment concerning the late hits is interesting. I have always thought that the Trinity defenders were excellent at flying to the football all the way to the whistle. Most are conditioned to seeing defenders back off when a tackle is already under way. Not them. In watching film of our last three games with them, it is obvious that they teach play to the whistle and all the defenders understand. Just great defensive mentality. As for this particular game, I wasn't there and didn't see the particular play so my comments are based on observation of the team over the seasons, not this game.

[farmerfan]

Byron's comment concerning the late hits is interesting. I have always thought that the Trinity defenders were excellent at flying to the football all the way to the whistle. Most are conditioned to seeing defenders back off when a tackle is already under way. Not them. In watching film of our last three games with them, it is obvious that they teach play to the whistle and all the defenders understand. Just great defensive mentality. As for this particular game, I wasn't there and didn't see the particular play so my comments are based on observation of the team over the seasons, not this game.

I agree to an extent. Trinity has also gained a considerable reputation here recently for commiting some costly/stupid penalties for late hits. I believe they were flagged for several against RRSP and should have been flagged for more agaisnt Arlington High. Against Allen in the playoffs in '08 there were several as well.
Yes Trinity is aggressive on the defensive front but here recently they have had a hard time controlling that plays between the whistle.

[E-Vol-ution]

I agree to an extent. Trinity has also gained a considerable reputation here recently for commiting some costly/stupid penalties for late hits. I believe they were flagged for several against RRSP and should have been flagged for more agaisnt Arlington High. Against Allen in the playoffs in '08 there were several as well.
Yes Trinity is aggressive on the defensive front but here recently they have had a hard time controlling that plays between the whistle.

I've heard this before and dismissed it as isolated.........was I wrong?

[farmerfan]

I've heard this before and dismissed it as isolated.........was I wrong?

I don't know if you were wrong for dismissing it, each person is going to have a different take on it. Some attribute it to just playing an aggressvie style of defense which Trinity does and some will attribute it to cheap shots and undsiciplined football(which I have before) It's one of those things where you go and watch and develop your own opinion. Just like some of the Trinity fans who swear up and down that Bell is cheap and out to hurt their players. Very well may be the case and Trinity has now lost players in the Bell game for 4 years in a row I believe.
I do know that over the last 2 years there have been a lot more personal foul late hit calls against Trinity than I remember seeing the years prior and there have been quite a few that they did get away with. Like all programs they are no saints over there either. :)

[chhspantherfan]

I agree to an extent. Trinity has also gained a considerable reputation here recently for commiting some costly/stupid penalties for late hits. I believe they were flagged for several against RRSP and should have been flagged for more agaisnt Arlington High. Against Allen in the playoffs in '08 there were several as well.
Yes Trinity is aggressive on the defensive front but here recently they have had a hard time controlling that plays between the whistle.

It goes through the entire program. So, am I angry at what I consider late hits in our games? No, that is how they teach the game. Hard to argue with the success. As a coach, one has to decide what risks they are willing to take. Obviously, for them, the upside of playing this style is greater than the potential downside as they do not get flagged often for their aggressive style of play. If a team doesn't play this way and all of the sudden decides to, then they will get flagged. Doesn't make it right. Just makes it the way it is. We know going in every year that you had better bring your most physical "A" game in order to be in it.

[farmerfan]

It goes through the entire program. So, am I angry at what I consider late hits in our games? No, that is how they teach the game. Hard to argue with the success. As a coach, one has to decide what risks they are willing to take. Obviously, for them, the upside of playing this style is greater than the potential downside as they do not get flagged often for their aggressive style of play. If a team doesn't play this way and all of the sudden decides to, then they will get flagged. Doesn't make it right. Just makes it the way it is. We know going in every year that you had better bring your most physical "A" game in order to be in it.

No doubt you have to bring a physical game against Trinity. Nobody is saying otherwise, just pointing out that while you might not have seen it against Colleyville, what Lord Byron has alluded to with the late hits has been there. Arlington High and RRSP saw plenty of personal fouls called and there have been others who have voiced out the same thign about Trinity after playing them the last few years. Some will attribute what Lord Byron said to holding a grudge but I just pointed out that he isn't so far off in what he posted.

[chhspantherfan]

No doubt you have to bring a physical game against Trinity. Nobody is saying otherwise, just pointing out that while you might not have seen it against Colleyville, what Lord Byron has alluded to with the late hits has been there. Arlington High and RRSP saw plenty of personal fouls called and there have been others who have voiced out the same thign about Trinity after playing them the last few years. Some will attribute what Lord Byron said to holding a grudge but I just pointed out that he isn't so far off in what he posted.

maybe i wasn't clear. I understand completely what is being said, I see it also. The point i was trying to make is that their style of play is allowed because that is how they always play. From a flag standpoint, it is a risk/reward proposition for the coaches. If the crew is used to seeing them play that way, there will be a looser interpretation of late.

[farmerfan]

maybe i wasn't clear. I understand completely what is being said, I see it also. The point i was trying to make is that their style of play is allowed because that is how they always play. From a flag standpoint, it is a risk/reward proposition for the coaches. If the crew is used to seeing them play that way, there will be a looser interpretation of late.

ot it's allowed or called because of how refs interpret their version of penalties.
I wasn't at the Martin game either so I can't comment on what Lord Byron saw or didn't see. Was just basing his post on what I saw the next 2 weeks when Trinity played AHS and SP. Those officials did not care about the reputation or physical play of anyteam, both Trinity and AHS were called for unsportsmen like conduct and the RRSP game saw Trinity flagged for it several times

[da hawaiian]

No doubt you have to bring a physical game against Trinity. Nobody is saying otherwise, just pointing out that while you might not have seen it against Colleyville, what Lord Byron has alluded to with the late hits has been there. Arlington High and RRSP saw plenty of personal fouls called and there have been others who have voiced out the same thign about Trinity after playing them the last few years. Some will attribute what Lord Byron said to holding a grudge but I just pointed out that he isn't so far off in what he posted.

I won't deny that Trinity has gotten the benefit of the doubt a few times. I hadn't realized that this was the way the team is percieved. Still I won't deny it.

Lord Byron voiced an early opinion after dismanteling Haltom that they would win state. After playing them in the third round I became a believer in his earlier bold statement. Although I believe they'd have been very fortunate to have beaten STP, just as I still feel we were ourselves

[farmerfan]

I won't deny that Trinity has gotten the benefit of the doubt a few times. I hadn't realized that this was the way the team is percieved. Still I won't deny it.

Lord Byron voiced an early opinion after dismanteling Haltom that they would win state. After playing them in the third round I became a believer in his earlier bold statement. Although I believe they'd have been very fortunate to have beaten STP, just as I still feel we were ourselves

Let me be clear that I do not think Trnity is perceived that way on a state level at all, probably jnot even on a metroplex or district level. Just what a few who have watched Trinity play have observed. Purley opinionated thoughts is all it is. Doesnt make me or Lord Byron or any other who say it right or wrong, just what we believe to be the case here recently based on what our eyes see and our brains comprehend or don't. :)

[E-Vol-ution]

I won't deny that Trinity has gotten the benefit of the doubt a few times. I hadn't realized that this was the way the team is percieved. Still I won't deny it.

Lord Byron voiced an early opinion after dismanteling Haltom that they would win state. After playing them in the third round I became a believer in his earlier bold statement. Although I believe they'd have been very fortunate to have beaten STP, just as I still feel we were ourselves

I remember a tremendous amount of hitting from both teams when we played each other.........it was expected.

[da hawaiian]

I remember a tremendous amount of hitting from both teams when we played each other.........it was expected.

Hands down the best defense we played in 2 or 3 years.

[TrojanHorse03]

Trinity's personal foul penalties recently are not any higher than they have been at least this decade not that that's a good thing. I don't think Trinity has ever statistically been the worse but in that regard I do personally believe Trinity is higher than average.

However, it's not uncommon for Trinity to have games each year with few or no penalties and in regards to last year while not impossible it's highly unlikely the refs favored Trinity at least to me. Also for clarification based on what I've seen and know Trinity coaches do not coach nor encourage nor believe it's beneficial late hits. I personally don't believe Trinity as a program has crossed the line of intent from a little too agressive, undisciplined even to dirty.

[TrojanHorse03]

Trinity's personal foul penalties recently are not any higher than they have been at least this decade not that that's a good thing. I don't think Trinity has ever statistically been the worse but in that regard I do personally believe Trinity is higher than average.

However, it's not uncommon for Trinity to have games each year with few or no penalties and in regards to last year while not impossible it's highly unlikely the refs favored Trinity at least to me. Also for clarification based on what I've seen and know Trinity coaches do not coach nor encourage nor believe it's beneficial late hits. I personally don't believe Trinity as a program has crossed the line of intent from a little too agressive, undisciplined even to dirty.

Personal fouls IS something that Trinity is a program that can do better.

[TrinityTrojan80]

Personal fouls IS something that Trinity is a program that can do better.

I totally agree!

[chhspantherfan]

product of the system. Not a bad thing. If there is a lesson to be learned at this time of their life, it is to finish. I respect Trinity playing to the whistle, and it is understood that they will arrive at or beyond in some instances. Play through it.

As for Evol having a better defense, let it be known that I just got home from the lake;)

[E-Vol-ution]

product of the system. Not a bad thing. If there is a lesson to be learned at this time of their life, it is to finish. I respect Trinity playing to the whistle, and it is understood that they will arrive at or beyond in some instances. Play through it.

As for Evol having a better defense, let it be known that I just got home from the lake;)

That smack reverberates like a sideline hit.:notworthy

[chhspantherfan]

That smack reverberates like a sideline hit.:notworthy

just a few bass hanging around the marina. Nothing out in the channel, nor at the dam. ;) I took two of my boys. There is nothing better on a Friday night......outside of football season of course. :D

[ktCarl]

Personal fouls IS something that Trinity is a program that can do better.

You mean commit the fouls but get away with it more often? :eek: :D

[TrinityTrojan80]

You mean commit the fouls but get away with it more often? :eek: :D

:rofl::yes::notworthy

[TrojanHorse03]

You mean commit the fouls but get away with it more often? :eek: :D

:laugh:yes:

[MALAMEDICINA]

I take some late hits here and there, than to watch the team as a whole not finishing the plays till the end of the whistle.

But too much of anything is almost never good. Buttkicking moderation.

[trainin' the game]

i'm telling all of you right now that you guys will have to get tape of desoto vs rrsp game.

idk what rrsp has but desoto is rolling and polite seems to have the offense down and the oc is given him some of the reins and letting him call plays at the line:eek: not to many hs qb's get to do that

they are my pick for 7 on 7 championship as well as my early pick to win it all... Mathis seems to be on a mission in that i can see him pushing and explaining how important special teams is.... plus they found a kicker! he is also coaching up desfense really hard!!!! this team looked for real friday!

[Eagle2]

i'm telling all of you right now that you guys will have to get tape of desoto vs rrsp game.

idk what rrsp has but desoto is rolling and polite seems to have the offense down and the oc is given him some of the reins and letting him call plays at the line:eek: not to many hs qb's get to do that

they are my pick for 7 on 7 championship as well as my early pick to win it all... Mathis seems to be on a mission in that i can see him pushing and explaining how important special teams is.... plus they found a kicker! he is also coaching up desfense really hard!!!! this team looked for real friday!
I'll agree. Could see a re-match of last years 7-7 championship between STP & Desoto, then they play in regular season.Spring Game is Friday. Early indications show that team & staff have taken it up another level. Will be interesting to see if this carry overs into the fall season. The bar has been set for a deep playoff run with a tough schedule. Definitely a team to watch and have on the radar next season. Cannot wait.

[farmerfan]

What does Calpreps and Freeman say?

They are the authority

[Drphill]

I know we are talking Football BUT, Hebron Girls softball team just Beat The SUCK that is PLANO 4-1.

[NHB06]

I know we are talking Football BUT, Hebron Girls softball team just Beat The SUCK that is PLANO 4-1.

Plano defeated Hebron 1-0 in game 2 on Friday night. Looks like a huge battle is brewing for Saturday at 2pm for game 3.

[CoppellCowboy57]

and back on topic...

After watching the Coppell spring game last Thursday night, I feel that it is my duty to tell you...Coppell is indeed a contender. Coach McBride is 100% right in his Dallas Morning News anaylis of Senior to be QB Joe Minden. He will be one of the best QBs in the Area.

Mark that down gents. heres my Summer top 5!


1. Allen
2. ET
3. Coppell
4. Skyline
5. FM Marcus

[E-Vol-ution]

and back on topic...

After watching the Coppell spring game last Thursday night, I feel that it is my duty to tell you...Coppell is indeed a contender. Coach McBride is 100% right in his Dallas Morning News anaylis of Senior to be QB Joe Minden. He will be one of the best QBs in the Area.

Mark that down gents. heres my Summer top 5!


1. Allen
2. ET
3. Coppell
4. Skyline
5. FM Marcus

I won't laugh at you later.....I promise.

[allendad]

I won't laugh at you later.....I promise.



I'm thinkin' that #1 pick shouldn't even make
the top 20. Too much to learn in too little time.:(



Bummer!




.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

and back on topic...

After watching the Coppell spring game last Thursday night, I feel that it is my duty to tell you...Coppell is indeed a contender. Coach McBride is 100% right in his Dallas Morning News anaylis of Senior to be QB Joe Minden. He will be one of the best QBs in the Area.

Mark that down gents. heres my Summer top 5!


1. Allen
2. ET
3. Coppell
4. Skyline
5. FM Marcus

Allen at #1 over Euless Trinity? Hell, Trinity might be #1 in the state... or tied w/ Abilene at #1. Skyline at #4? Eh... until they prove themselves past RRSP, I wont buy into them. FYI, everyone... RRSP will be a BEAST to deal w/, next yr. No SLC, Cedar Hill, Arlington schools, or Desoto? Interesting.

TGO will be adding his state Pre-Season Top 25, at a not too later date. Might shock a few of you.

[Eagle2]

Saw DeSoto in spring game last night, will be a serious contender for a deep playoff run.

1. Trinity
2. DeSoto
3. Arlington Bowie
4. Coppell
5. Skyline
6. Allen
7. SLC
8. Cedar Hill
9. Garland
10. FM Marcus

[KT2000]

Defense and special teams will determine whether Desoto contends or not. The offense should be tremendous, but we'll see if they can stop other teams well enough. Desoto hasn't been as well-rounded as they've needed to be to contend.

[E-Vol-ution]

Saw DeSoto in spring game last night, will be a serious contender for a deep playoff run.

1. Trinity
2. DeSoto
3. Arlington Bowie
4. Coppell
5. Skyline
6. Allen
7. SLC
8. Cedar Hill
9. Garland
10. FM Marcus

I personally wouldn't want to put Bowie at a #2 or #3 until proven by about the 5th game of the season if all goes as planned.
Trinity deserves the hype...........if you wish to call it that. They've earned it.

[Dynastybegan86]

I personally wouldn't want to put Bowie at a #2 or #3 until proven by about the 5th game of the season if all goes as planned.
Trinity deserves the hype...........if you wish to call it that. They've earned it.

LOL. No doubt ET deserves the spotlight. Hype, I think not. 3 titles in 5 years, you know the ET fans, amongst themselves, are acting like kids in mud!:D

[TrojanHorse03]

LOL. No doubt ET deserves the spotlight. Hype, I think not. 3 titles in 5 years, you know the ET fans, amongst themselves, are acting like kids in mud!:D

The past doesn't beat Allen in the playoffs, or anyone anytime and experience may give a head start but doesn't mean you can't be run down! This year to avoid 2008 and 2006 Trinity will be hard pressed in the passing game against the best run defenses and again defensively against the best spreads. It's a new year. Allen, Bowie, and Coppell shouldn't be overlooked in the long run.

[Dynastybegan86]

The past doesn't beat Allen in the playoffs, or anyone anytime and experience may give a head start but doesn't mean you can't be run down! This year to avoid 2008 and 2006 Trinity will be hard pressed in the passing game against the best run defenses and again defensively against the best spreads. It's a new year. Allen, Bowie, and Coppell shouldn't be overlooked in the long run.

:heli: You guys are so humble! Thanks for the lesson!:yes:

[Maroondog]

The past doesn't beat Allen in the playoffs, or anyone anytime and experience may give a head start but doesn't mean you can't be run down! This year to avoid 2008 and 2006 Trinity will be hard pressed in the passing game against the best run defenses and again defensively against the best spreads. It's a new year. Allen, Bowie, and Coppell shouldn't be overlooked in the long run.

You almost had me convinced, but sadly, no. Nice try and thanks for playing.

[TrojanHorse03]

You almost had me convinced, but sadly, no. Nice try and thanks for playing.

2008 wasn't that long ago, certainly not ever in Trojanland.

[farmerfan]

Per the DMN. I guess this is their spring rankings.

Interesting to see no Bowie.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/highschools/topstories/stories/053110dnspohsgtrankings.56f6fc53.html

[JagFan]

Per the DMN. I guess this is their spring rankings.

Interesting to see no Bowie.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/highschools/topstories/stories/053110dnspohsgtrankings.56f6fc53.html

And no Hebron or Edward S. Hmmm.

[DrEdward]

Per the DMN. I guess this is their spring rankings.

Interesting to see no Bowie.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/highschools/topstories/stories/053110dnspohsgtrankings.56f6fc53.html

If you buy into that list, the new 7-5A, 2010 version, will be loaded with three of the top 10 teams in the area. Not sure I do.

[farmerfan]

And no Hebron or Edward S. Hmmm.

Coppell at 9 shocks me. Planosucks at 5 is too high IMO. People are going to be very surprised at Hebron this year methinks. Very very surprised. They just might be the fastest team in the entire district with all those track guys coming back.

[farmerfan]

If you buy into that list, the new 6-5A, 2010 version, will be loaded with three of the top 10 teams in the area. Not sure I do.

I have no problem with those 3 teams receiving accolades. Guyer should not be punished for being a 4A and coming up, if anything I think the opposite. What that program has accompliushed in such short time shows me they will be alright. Coppell IMO should be a top 5 and maybe a top 3 team. Defensively they will be stacked.
Too much love given to Planosucks but not enough being given to Hebron.
No Bowie on there will have some say its a joke too.

[SWMHebron]

And no Hebron or Edward S. Hmmm.

I would not put Hebron in a top 10 right now. From what I am hearing they may well end up there quickly once the season starts, but I need to see it first.

[DrEdward]

I have no problem with those 3 teams receiving accolades. Guyer should not be punished for being a 4A and coming up, if anything I think the opposite. What that program has accompliushed in such short time shows me they will be alright. Coppell IMO should be a top 5 and maybe a top 3 team. Defensively they will be stacked.
Too much love given to Planosucks but not enough being given to Hebron.
No Bowie on there will have some say its a joke too.

I don't dispute the observation on Guyer and coppell. Given all the uncertainities with my boys, I was thinking they are likely ranked too high at this point.

[JagFan]

I would not put Hebron in a top 10 right now. From what I am hearing they may well end up there quickly once the season starts, but I need to see it first.

So after week 1 and 2?

[JagFan]

Coppell at 9 shocks me. Planosucks at 5 is too high IMO. People are going to be very surprised at Hebron this year methinks. Very very surprised. They just might be the fastest team in the entire district with all those track guys coming back.

I would switch Coppell and Plano and find a spot for Bowie and Edward S. I guess SWM is right and they will move up quickly once the season starts. I just know what Hebron can do and my fear of what they will do this year so I would start them out in the top 10.

[SWMHebron]

So after week 1 and 2?

If the defense is as I am hearing, then probably yes, but I want to see the product on the field in an actual game first.

The offense was loaded and apparently has gained even more firepower. I personally like 35-3 games.

[E-Vol-ution]

Per the DMN. I guess this is their spring rankings.

Interesting to see no Bowie.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/highschools/topstories/stories/053110dnspohsgtrankings.56f6fc53.html

:ninja: We have to sneak up on people........

[JagFan]

If the defense is as I am hearing, then probably yes, but I want to see the product on the field in an actual game first.

The offense was loaded and apparently has gained even more firepower. I personally like 35-3 games.

I hear ya. Ok so we will take out Hebron for now. I wish we had more Edward S. people to tell us about them.

[farmerfan]

I don't dispute the observation on Guyer and coppell. Given all the uncertainities with my boys, I was thinking they are likely ranked too high at this point.

Guyer over Coppell does have me shaking my head a bit. I personally think 2nd comes down to Guyer and Carroll this year. I had to pick right now I would say Coppell as a clear cut district favorite. I still think Coppell ranked far too low. They had a great run last year and if the DMN guys know what they are talking about then they would realize McBride is teh real deal. It's a shame we had to go the Baytown route yet again because rumor has it, McBride wanted the Lewisville job. If that is true then I hate the Administration and powers that be even more than I once did.

[Maroondog]

Plano too high at 5. Need to see it happen come fall before any true evaluation can be made.

[CoppellCowboy57]

Guyer over Coppell does have me shaking my head a bit. I personally think 2nd comes down to Guyer and Carroll this year. I had to pick right now I would say Coppell as a clear cut district favorite. I still think Coppell ranked far too low. They had a great run last year and if the DMN guys know what they are talking about then they would realize McBride is teh real deal. It's a shame we had to go the Baytown route yet again because rumor has it, McBride wanted the Lewisville job. If that is true then I hate the Administration and powers that be even more than I once did.

I for one, am very glad that McBride didnt get the Lewisville job. :heli:

[slcdragonfan]

I would not put Hebron in a top 10 right now. From what I am hearing they may well end up there quickly once the season starts, but I need to see it first.

That's where I am at this point.

[slcdragonfan]

guyer over coppell does have me shaking my head a bit. I personally think 2nd comes down to guyer and carroll this year. I had to pick right now i would say coppell as a clear cut district favorite. I still think coppell ranked far too low. They had a great run last year and if the dmn guys know what they are talking about then they would realize mcbride is teh real deal. it's a shame we had to go the baytown route yet again because rumor has it, mcbride wanted the lewisville job. If that is true then i hate the administration and powers that be even more than i once did.

+1

[chhspantherfan]

I don't dispute the observation on Guyer and coppell. Given all the uncertainities with my boys, I was thinking they are likely ranked too high at this point.

you do see where he changed your 7-5A to 6-5A, don't you?:cool:

[worster70]

Guyer over Coppell does have me shaking my head a bit. I personally think 2nd comes down to Guyer and Carroll this year. I had to pick right now I would say Coppell as a clear cut district favorite. I still think Coppell ranked far too low. They had a great run last year and if the DMN guys know what they are talking about then they would realize McBride is teh real deal. It's a shame we had to go the Baytown route yet again because rumor has it, McBride wanted the Lewisville job. If that is true then I hate the Administration and powers that be even more than I once did.
sorry Farmer...its true..he should have been gone when Coppell hired

[farmerfan]

sorry Farmer...its true..he should have been gone when Coppell hired

Chalk up another stellar decision by the powers that be that are running the LISD. :notworthy:rolleyes: Nothing against Coach Olin, but, well, I'll leave it at that.

[Dynastybegan86]

Just in case it hasn't been posted in awhile, Plano Sucks!:heli:

[farmerfan]

Just in case it hasn't been posted in awhile, Plano Sucks!:heli:

Can't ever be said enough :notworthy