Dear SLC, Is it really Fair to Say Carrol is the best?

[HUM398]

I have alot of respect for SLC and there program, and i dont want to seem to be jelous either because they have accomplished an almost impossible goal of winning so much. BUT is it really fair to Title them the best in the nation when they havent even played the best in the state.
No doubt that they are Incerdible, but nationally ranked number one...C'mon. like i said before, they havent played the best. Have they played North Shore? a team loaded with talent. a team loaded with size and speed. Did they Play Westfield. Westfield this year would of dominated the Div 1 if they hadnt been struck with injury in the semi finals. These two teams are to me what ever school trys to be. The fact is that Carrol runs a jaw dropping program, but in my book to be ranked number one you have to beat those who are dictators of there regions. other POWER HOUSES.

If SLC of 05 played Westfield of 05.. one winner...Westfield. Westfield to me was a the most impressive team i had seen a great while. the way they flowed was just imaculate to say the least. THEY EXECUTED WITH PERFECTION. and plus they were so big and fast. They where monsters..MEN played against Boys. Even against North shore another team with Equal talent couldnt bring down these monster of players. I know i know...Westfield didnt win state, but to me any team can be beatin on any given day under the right conditions and circumstances.

SLC you are Number one in the state because you earned it with a State Championship. But in my opinion there are better teams in Texas that i dont think you could keep up with

Ps. My beloved Humble team wouldnt stand a chance against SLC....We dont even come close to executing as perfect of a system as slc does. so i dont want to to seem biased at all..
if we played you....it would be a smack down. In saying that i just want to know that i do have Respect for your accomplishments but i just dont think you have earned NUMBER 1 over all.

[GRP05]

Someone will always be number 1. It's true that Southlake hasn't played every team in the state, but they're able to win all 16 games in a season which is something no other 5a team can say they did last year. I don't think its necessarily the "winning" that's keeping them in #1; it's the lack of losses.

[CKE]

yes it is fair..............

[HUM398]

I give them State because they earned it. But nation,it a unproven title. There are teams in the state that they will never play because of the way its setup, and it wouldnt be correct to say they are Number 1 over all if they havent even beat the teams that to me are better in the state.

Look i dont want to come off as disrespecting SLC they are an amazing program, but im not going to say they are the best in the nation when they havent proven it.

You can say what you want about who is the best, but if you dont play the best....Are you the best? i know that nothing i say will change how anyone views this. i am also aware that nothing can be done to change this. The national ranking of First is a poll. Not a fact. and should be viewed as such

[ALLIN]

This topic has been beat to death, there is now way to prove it. But, someone has to be there and no other team deserves it more than SLC. I am sure that if YOUR team were there it would be ok with you then and you sure would not bring up the "is it really fair" stuff :) Deal with it bro they are #1 until proven otherwise, whether you look at state or national polls. If SLC has not earned #1 overall, WHO HAS???? Man, what would a team have to do to be # 1 in your eyes (realistically)

[rwilleby]

They are number one this year... and, yes it is fair... Any team that can match their record over the last five years, raise your hand... Looking... Looking... That's what I thought... SLC's number one...

[LoboFan07]

If SLC of 05 played Westfield of 05.. one winner...Westfield. Westfield to me was a the most impressive team i had seen a great while. the way they flowed was just imaculate to say the least. THEY EXECUTED WITH PERFECTION. and plus they were so big and fast. They where monsters..MEN played against Boys. Even against North shore another team with Equal talent couldnt bring down these monster of players. I know i know...Westfield didnt win state, but to me any team can be beatin on any given day under the right conditions and circumstances.

You can say that now but it doesn't really matter. Where was Westfield when it came to the State Championship?

Obviously any team could beat any team on any given day like you said..But come on. How can you say Westfield would've beaten SLC when SLC has lost one game in the past four years?

I don't get that logic.

[slorch]

they beat everyone on their schedule. You can't blame them for what they don't control. And it's not like their predistrict games are easy to fill either.

If you could legally bet on HS football, I wouldn't have bet against SLC once they got out of Texas(If they played to a Hypothetical National Championship)

I have been devil's advocate on some conversations with SLC fans on here, but what you are asking about last year's team is pretty much unwarranted.
They played(and beat) all comers.

If you truly believe Texas has the best HS football, as I do, I don't think you could doubt the validity of what is an honorary award anyway.

[SLCDad]

I have alot of respect for SLC and there program, and i dont want to seem to be jelous either because they have accomplished an almost impossible goal of winning so much. BUT is it really fair to Title them the best in the nation when they havent even played the best in the state.
No doubt that they are Incerdible, but nationally ranked number one...C'mon. like i said before, they havent played the best. Have they played North Shore? a team loaded with talent. a team loaded with size and speed. Did they Play Westfield. Westfield this year would of dominated the Div 1 if they hadnt been struck with injury in the semi finals. These two teams are to me what ever school trys to be. The fact is that Carrol runs a jaw dropping program, but in my book to be ranked number one you have to beat those who are dictators of there regions. other POWER HOUSES.

If SLC of 05 played Westfield of 05.. one winner...Westfield. Westfield to me was a the most impressive team i had seen a great while. the way they flowed was just imaculate to say the least. THEY EXECUTED WITH PERFECTION. and plus they were so big and fast. They where monsters..MEN played against Boys. Even against North shore another team with Equal talent couldnt bring down these monster of players. I know i know...Westfield didnt win state, but to me any team can be beatin on any given day under the right conditions and circumstances.

SLC you are Number one in the state because you earned it with a State Championship. But in my opinion there are better teams in Texas that i dont think you could keep up with

Ps. My beloved Humble team wouldnt stand a chance against SLC....We dont even come close to executing as perfect of a system as slc does. so i dont want to to seem biased at all..
if we played you....it would be a smack down. In saying that i just want to know that i do have Respect for your accomplishments but i just dont think you have earned NUMBER 1 over all.Have you ever seen SLC play other than watching them on TV? Just wondering.

The final computer power rankings that I saw had SLC a 5 point favorite over North Shore and an 8 point favorite over Westfield. As for Humble, the computers say it would be a 35 point SLC victory.

[yankee]

I have alot of respect for SLC and there program, and i dont want to seem to be jelous either because they have accomplished an almost impossible goal of winning so much. BUT is it really fair to Title them the best in the nation when they havent even played the best in the state.
No doubt that they are Incerdible, but nationally ranked number one...C'mon. like i said before, they havent played the best. Have they played North Shore? a team loaded with talent. a team loaded with size and speed. Did they Play Westfield. Westfield this year would of dominated the Div 1 if they hadnt been struck with injury in the semi finals. These two teams are to me what ever school trys to be. The fact is that Carrol runs a jaw dropping program, but in my book to be ranked number one you have to beat those who are dictators of there regions. other POWER HOUSES.

If SLC of 05 played Westfield of 05.. one winner...Westfield. Westfield to me was a the most impressive team i had seen a great while. the way they flowed was just imaculate to say the least. THEY EXECUTED WITH PERFECTION. and plus they were so big and fast. They where monsters..MEN played against Boys. Even against North shore another team with Equal talent couldnt bring down these monster of players. I know i know...Westfield didnt win state, but to me any team can be beatin on any given day under the right conditions and circumstances.

SLC you are Number one in the state because you earned it with a State Championship. But in my opinion there are better teams in Texas that i dont think you could keep up with

Ps. My beloved Humble team wouldnt stand a chance against SLC....We dont even come close to executing as perfect of a system as slc does. so i dont want to to seem biased at all..
if we played you....it would be a smack down. In saying that i just want to know that i do have Respect for your accomplishments but i just dont think you have earned NUMBER 1 over all.
you say they havent played the best? i believe slc played lufkin AND katy, who were both ranked nationally, both in the top 20. a team who beats 2 top 20 teams in the nation, and beats them handily (taking nothing away from katy and lufkin), can be considered one if not the best.

[Drake]

As far as Texas 5A Division II they are the best as they won the tournament set up to determine the best in that category...

As far as Texas 5A period, no way to tell...

As far as mythical national polls, teams work their way up those polls by continuing to win as others fall... SLC deserves to be on the top in those polls if for no other reason than they've been nearly perfect for several years, have beaten all comers, and no one can make a case for anyone else that is stronger than the case for SLC...

[dragonsdaddy]

I have alot of respect for SLC and there program, and i dont want to seem to be jelous either because they have accomplished an almost impossible goal of winning so much. BUT is it really fair to Title them the best in the nation when they havent even played the best in the state.
No doubt that they are Incerdible, but nationally ranked number one...C'mon. like i said before, they havent played the best. Have they played North Shore? a team loaded with talent. a team loaded with size and speed. Did they Play Westfield. Westfield this year would of dominated the Div 1 if they hadnt been struck with injury in the semi finals. These two teams are to me what ever school trys to be. The fact is that Carrol runs a jaw dropping program, but in my book to be ranked number one you have to beat those who are dictators of there regions. other POWER HOUSES.

If SLC of 05 played Westfield of 05.. one winner...Westfield. Westfield to me was a the most impressive team i had seen a great while. the way they flowed was just imaculate to say the least. THEY EXECUTED WITH PERFECTION. and plus they were so big and fast. They where monsters..MEN played against Boys. Even against North shore another team with Equal talent couldnt bring down these monster of players. I know i know...Westfield didnt win state, but to me any team can be beatin on any given day under the right conditions and circumstances.

SLC you are Number one in the state because you earned it with a State Championship. But in my opinion there are better teams in Texas that i dont think you could keep up with

Ps. My beloved Humble team wouldnt stand a chance against SLC....We dont even come close to executing as perfect of a system as slc does. so i dont want to to seem biased at all..
if we played you....it would be a smack down. In saying that i just want to know that i do have Respect for your accomplishments but i just dont think you have earned NUMBER 1 over all.westfield and gpns may have matched up well and in fact may have beaten slc, but thanks to the uil, and both those teams early demise in the po's, we'll never know. i'm guessing there are plenty of biased arguments espousing how vtech would have beaten tu had they played, or how hp was really the best team in texas. the texas hs po's aren't as good as they can be at weeding out the best team in the state, but they are much better than d-1a ncaa does it.

i don't want to sound too much the homer, but why, other than the fact that s-w and gpns are local to you, why do you think teams that didn't make it to the finals in the easier side of the po's would beat slc? injuries are no excuse. every team has injuries after that many games.(2 years in a row, slc lost for a majority of the season, their returning leading receiver)

[nsmustang]

One problem some people had about SLC being no 1 in the nation was their defense. They didn't "lock the doors" on a number of opponents and allowed too many points by some opposing teams. They had an offense that could not be stopped and to beat them, you would literally had to out score their offense. I would pull for any Texas team if they were no 1 and I like to see that. If SLC gets it then hooray for all of us. As far as Westfield, I still say if Beasley is healthy, they win the D1 title and would have given SLC a scary run if they had played. In the Judson game, Judson was able to stop WF after Beasley left the game but, Judson was not able to anything against the WF defense and If WF does not fumble, they win that playoff game. It's the way the ball bounces and you take what you can get. If Beasley left the game against Shore I would have been as happy as Judson was.

[RedRage00]

What are you talking about? SEGUIN IS #1:D

[dragonsdaddy]

One problem some people had about SLC being no 1 in the nation was their defense. They didn't "lock the doors" on a number of opponents and allowed too many points by some opposing teams. They had an offense that could not be stopped and to beat them, you would literally had to out score their offense. I would pull for any Texas team if they were no 1 and I like to see that. If SLC gets it then hooray for all of us. As far as Westfield, I still say if Beasley is healthy, they win the D1 title and would have given SLC a scary run if they had played. In the Judson game, Judson was able to stop WF after Beasley left the game but, Judson was not able to anything against the WF defense and If WF does not fumble, they win that playoff game. It's the way the ball bounces and you take what you can get. If Beasley left the game against Shore I would have been as happy as Judson was.
the slc defense this year in particular, and every year in general is down graded unnecessarily. this year's d was universally felt to be one of the best in the state by everyone who played them. opinions from afar aren't always the most knowledgeable or the most accurate.

[pack0808]

you say they havent played the best? i believe slc played lufkin AND katy, who were both ranked nationally, both in the top 20. a team who beats 2 top 20 teams in the nation, and beats them handily (taking nothing away from katy and lufkin), can be considered one if not the best.


Yeah that is a insane statement. Lufkin has lost only 2 games in the last 2 seasons and guess who it was against? Thats right SLC! I have seen Westfield play a couple of times and they are very good but not good enough to beat SLC. Lufkin beat Westfield the only time they have met in 2001. SLC is the best in Texas and in my biased opinion, the best in Texas is usually the best in the nation. They are the real deal and i do not know why we continue beating this subject to death.

[RedRage00]

Yeah that is a insane statement. Lufkin has lost only 2 games in the last 2 seasons and guess who it was against? Thats right SLC! I have seen Westfield play a couple of times and they are very good but not good enough to beat SLC. Lufkin beat Westfield the only time they have met in 2001. SLC is the best in Texas and in my biased opinion, the best in Texas is usually the best in the nation. They are the real deal and i do not know why we continue beating this subject to death.

I agree 110%

[KT2000]

I saw Westfield, North Shore and Southlake Carroll play last year.

Westfield's secondary would have had a very tough time matching up with the Dragon offense in my opinion. Westfield had talent at the back for sure, but didn't feel like they were very disciplined in their coverage. Luther Eta was the best cover guy of the unit by far in my opinion. Eta will be back this fall. I saw Westfield play twice.

North Shore may have matched up a little better against the pass because of Chykie Brown (probably the best HS corner I've seen, total package). The speed in the front seven would help against the running aspect of Carroll's offense. However, I don't think Shore was quite on the level they needed to be on offense. The talent was there, I just don't think it was maxxed out last year. It felt like they were holding back. I guess it's tough to open things up when you can beat everyone in your district by 50 with page one stuff.

Westfield was the better team on offense, and proved it in their playoff game. They opened it up when they had to and North Shore did not.

Last year, I felt like Westfield, North Shore and Katy were a pretty even 1/2/3 in the Houston area.

Carroll's three state championships in four years and 63-1 5A record pretty much speaks for itself.

[Daniel Agnew]

Sorry Hum but Westfield has no championchips while SLC ran the table. They would have played them good but Southlake would have won this. I think the team that beats them in the future is Lufkin(they are due to win one of them I think).

[Drake]

What you can say about SLC's place among 5A football's best teams is; they are better than everyone they played and they were the best team in the Texas 5A Division II Football Tournament... Everything else is based on opinion or assumption...

My OPINION is they would have won it all even if ALL the 5A schools, including the 32 playoff teams from the largest schools that weren't, were in the same bracket as they were... But who knows? I can see having a different opinion, but I don't see how you can totally dismiss the notion that North Shore or Westfield was better that SLC when they never played heads up and they weren't in the same playoff field...

[dragonsdaddy]

What you can say about SLC's place among 5A football's best teams is; they are better than everyone they played and they were the best team in the Texas 5A Division II Football Tournament... Everything else is based on opinion or assumption...

My OPINION is they would have won it all even if ALL the 5A schools, including the 32 playoff teams from the largest schools that weren't, were in the same bracket as they were... But who knows? I can see having a different opinion, but I don't see how you can totally dismiss the notion that North Shore or Westfield was better that SLC when they never played heads up and they weren't in the same playoff field...
i haven't found any flaming opinions in this thread. drake, are you trying to fan the flames?

[DrEdward]

you say they havent played the best? i believe slc played lufkin AND katy, who were both ranked nationally, both in the top 20. a team who beats 2 top 20 teams in the nation, and beats them handily (taking nothing away from katy and lufkin), can be considered one if not the best.


You can also add Abilene to that listing of natioanlly ranked teams. As I recall, Abilene was unbeaten and ranked 15 nationally when Carroll played them in Waco his past season.

[pack0808]

What you can say about SLC's place among 5A football's best teams is; they are better than everyone they played and they were the best team in the Texas 5A Division II Football Tournament... Everything else is based on opinion or assumption...

My OPINION is they would have won it all even if ALL the 5A schools, including the 32 playoff teams from the largest schools that weren't, were in the same bracket as they were... But who knows? I can see having a different opinion, but I don't see how you can totally dismiss the notion that North Shore or Westfield was better that SLC when they never played heads up and they weren't in the same playoff field...


Trinity was the div1 champ not NS or Westfield. Trinity lost one game and it was to a div2 team that was beat early in the div2 playoffs. That alone is enough evidence for me. ;)

[Drake]

i haven't found any flaming opinions in this thread. drake, are you trying to fan the flames?Not at all... Just pointing out, in a round-about-way, that by dividing 5A into two divisons the UIL has created a situation where deciding who's best is no more than conjecture...

I mean, I'm sure there are plenty of people that think Katy was better than Euless Trinity and others that think Converse Judson was better than Katy and even some that would argue Plano was better than Converse Judson... The way it is now, you can't really dispute any of those claims... Its one opinion against the other... Perhaps North Shore had a better team than any of those in Division II, perhaps they didn't... Who can say for sure?

[Drake]

Trinity was the div1 champ not NS or Westfield. Trinity lost one game and it was to a div2 team that was beat early in the div2 playoffs. That alone is enough evidence for me. ;)Perfectly valid. I wouldn't use the same logic because comparing similar opponents is about as reliable as Bode Miller bringing home a medal... But how you come to your conclusions and form your opinions is up to you and just because our methods and conclusions may differ, in the end, there is no way to prove any of this so we can only decide for ourselves what is correct, in my opinion... ;)

[pack0808]

Perfectly valid. I wouldn't use the same logic because comparing similar opponents is about as reliable as Bode Miller bringing home a medal... But how you come to your conclusions and form your opinions is up to you and just because our methods and conclusions may differ, in the end, there is no way to prove any of this so we can only decide for ourselves what is correct, in my opinion... ;)


There is many more reasons why i think SLC would have won but i will not go into detail. Another valid argument in my opinion is this. SLC was undefeated and Trinity lost a game. Again, enough for me. But i do know what you are saying about meeting head to head. You never know until it happens you are correct. But i think it is pretty safe to assume who would have won that game in most neutral observer's eyes. But we will never truely know thanks to the UIL

[Drake]

There is many more reasons why i think SLC would have won but i will not go into detail. Another valid argument in my opinion is this. SLC was undefeated and Trinity lost a game. Again, enough for me. But i do know what you are saying about meeting head to head. You never know until it happens you are correct. But i think it is pretty safe to assume who would have won that game in most neutral observer's eyes. But we will never truely know thanks to the UILExactly.

And I would agree that most would have the opinion that SLC beats Euless Trinity...

My point on similar opponents is only that it doesn't work in handicapping... You probably wouldn't bet that SMU could beat Oklahoma and yet TCU beat Oklahoma and SMU beat TCU... So why wouldnt you?

[pack0808]

Exactly.

And I would agree that most would have the opinion that SLC beats Euless Trinity...

My point on similar opponents is only that it doesn't work in handicapping... You probably wouldn't bet that SMU could beat Oklahoma and yet TCU beat Oklahoma and SMU beat TCU... So why wouldnt you?



I would of assumed anybody could have beat OU early last year. I did not recognize them those first 4 or 5 games. They were very young and inexperienced when they lost that game to TCU. They improved tremendously over the course of the season unlike ET. ET was a senior dominated team that lost late in the year to SGP. Big difference in my view.

[dragons08]

humble...
would it make you feel better if i say "slc sucks, were the worst ever, we dont even deserve to play richland!"

there you go hum..i said it, happy now?

[Slim-Rob]

One problem some people had about SLC being no 1 in the nation was their defense. They didn't "lock the doors" on a number of opponents and allowed too many points by some opposing teams. They had an offense that could not be stopped and to beat them, you would literally had to out score their offense. I would pull for any Texas team if they were no 1 and I like to see that. If SLC gets it then hooray for all of us. As far as Westfield, I still say if Beasley is healthy, they win the D1 title and would have given SLC a scary run if they had played. In the Judson game, Judson was able to stop WF after Beasley left the game but, Judson was not able to anything against the WF defense and If WF does not fumble, they win that playoff game. It's the way the ball bounces and you take what you can get. If Beasley left the game against Shore I would have been as happy as Judson was.

A couple of things. Judson was stopping Westfield BEFORE Beasley left the game, and Judson's offense this year was one of their worst in the past 20 years. 26 ppg, thats IT.

SLC has won more games in the last 5 years than many teams have won in the last 8, so they ARE the best team these past 5 years, overall. They are not, IMHO, the greatest team EVER, but again, there is no way to determine this.

[Texasfrog]

If you win the Texas 5A State title you have a pretty solid argument to claim to be one of the best teams in the nation. I dont care what anyone says from Cali, Fla, La or wherever. The Texas HS football system is probably the toughest in the nation from top to bottom.

Like I've stated before... there are many (5-5) Texas 5A schools that would be State champs in about 70% of America States. Heck, there is some Texas 3A schools that would win State in many States largest brackets.

Yes... there is some States (Cali, Ohio, Fla , La, Ga, Ala) that have some tough High schools teams that wouldnt be pushed off the field by anyone in Texas. But, from top to bottom the Texas depth of talented teams and players is way too much.

So, for what SLC has done over the last few seasons and what they do almost each single season. They have a good right (IMO) to rightly claim "We're the best in the nation."

Dont worry.. if you live in California, Florida or Ohio. They screaming and yelling that their top team is the #1 team in the nation.

PS. Last season Springdale, Arkansas could of played with anyone in Texas and been pretty competitive "down for down." But, just about everyone else in Arkansas wouldnt of been a top #15 Texas team.

[Texasfrog]

Not at all... Just pointing out, in a round-about-way, that by dividing 5A into two divisons the UIL has created a situation where deciding who's best is no more than conjecture...

I mean, I'm sure there are plenty of people that think Katy was better than Euless Trinity and others that think Converse Judson was better than Katy and even some that would argue Plano was better than Converse Judson... The way it is now, you can't really dispute any of those claims... Its one opinion against the other... Perhaps North Shore had a better team than any of those in Division II, perhaps they didn't... Who can say for sure?

The truth is that all those 2005 teams (SLC, Katy, ET, Judson, Plano, North Shore , Westfield and a few other Texas teams) would of been some of the top high school teams in the nation.

[HUM398]

humble...
would it make you feel better if i say "slc sucks, were the worst ever, we dont even deserve to play richland!"

there you go hum..i said it, happy now?

This thing HAS been beatin to the ground.....I dont agree and that will never change...i repsect the program....but i just dont agree...and guess what i dont have to...cause it doesnt change anything. you will be #1 tell you are beat. and i guess i just have to live with it.

[dragons08]

This thing HAS been beatin to the ground.....I dont agree and that will never change...i repsect the program....but i just dont agree...and guess what i dont have to...cause it doesnt change anything. you will be #1 tell you are beat. and i guess i just have to live with it.
no man, you dont have to live with it, you can rebel against the system..i could care less if were number one..as long as we have that state trophey, it says enough

[Slim-Rob]

no man, you dont have to live with it, you can rebel against the system..i could care less if were number one..as long as we have that state trophey, it says enough

Whats a polar bear?

[dragons08]

Whats a polar bear?
why not you go read all the posts where i tried to explain it to you?

[Slim-Rob]

why not you go read all the posts where i tried to explain it to you?

You just started talking about soda water. I didn't understand where you were trying to go. Then you call the #24 Pepsi car a POP, SODA....

[nsmustang]

the slc defense this year in particular, and every year in general is down graded unnecessarily. this year's d was universally felt to be one of the best in the state by everyone who played them. opinions from afar aren't always the most knowledgeable or the most accurate.

There is no doubt in my mind SLC was a dynamo team. I was just making a comment on based on final scores, not because I was from "afar." When people look at teams that crush other teams, week in and week out, they have to consider both sides of the ball and when you look at seasonal scores, it will tell you how good that team is over all. SLC would have beaten Shore this past year and SLC won the title-no question on that. I was making an unbiased statement based on that. Not slamming SLC at all.

[nsmustang]

A couple of things. Judson was stopping Westfield BEFORE Beasley left the game, and Judson's offense this year was one of their worst in the past 20 years. 26 ppg, thats IT.

SLC has won more games in the last 5 years than many teams have won in the last 8, so they ARE the best team these past 5 years, overall. They are not, IMHO, the greatest team EVER, but again, there is no way to determine this.

Not slamming Judson or taking their title run from them. They earned it and deserved to be there. I was only saying that Judson went ahead because of a fumble and did not score any more the rest of the game. Beasly leaves the game and WF goes home empty. Judson's O may be the worst in 20 years as you said and the score reflected it. Judson IMO has the best record in the state for 5A championship appearances and they turn out a killer team every year. Rocket fans have a lot to be proud of.......

[Sakatha]

humble...
would it make you feel better if i say "slc sucks, were the worst ever, we dont even deserve to play richland!"

there you go hum..i said it, happy now?

Poor Richland :(

Their band is simply amazing, though!!

~DnM

[WestlandTiger'95]

Threads like this one are a blatant SLAP in the face to teams that did play SLC. I think they DID play the best team in texas and guess what... they beat them 34-20. It was the STATE CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!

SLC played the best and beat the best PERIOD!!!!

Westfield played a tough schedule and got beat by a good team that was clickin. NS had a good team but nodoby is gonna say that they were the best in the state...heck you'll be hard stretched to find anyone that will agree that they were the best in Reg 3.

Katy, SLC, lufkin played the toughest teams in the state

katy- SLC, smithson valley
Slc- lufkin, katy, plano
lufkin- slc, cove

"they played the best and beat the best"

[rwilleby]

Threads like this one are a blatant SLAP in the face to teams that did play SLC. I think they DID play the best team in texas and guess what... they beat them 34-20. It was the STATE CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!

SLC played the best and beat the best PERIOD!!!!

Westfield played a tough schedule and got beat by a good team that was clickin. NS had a good team but nodoby is gonna say that they were the best in the state...heck you'll be hard stretched to find anyone that will agree that they were the best in Reg 3.

Katy, SLC, lufkin played the toughest teams in the state

katy- SLC, smithson valley
Slc- lufkin, katy, plano
lufkin- slc, cove

"they played the best and beat the best"

Ditto... SLC #1 in 2005...

[CKE]

Threads like this one are a blatant SLAP in the face to teams that did play SLC. I think they DID play the best team in texas and guess what... they beat them 34-20. It was the STATE CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!

SLC played the best and beat the best PERIOD!!!!

Westfield played a tough schedule and got beat by a good team that was clickin. NS had a good team but nodoby is gonna say that they were the best in the state...heck you'll be hard stretched to find anyone that will agree that they were the best in Reg 3.

Katy, SLC, lufkin played the toughest teams in the state

katy- SLC, smithson valley
Slc- lufkin, katy, plano
lufkin- slc, cove

"they played the best and beat the best"

i dont think this thread was a slap in the face. He didnt say any thing rude he gave his opinion in a very nice way

[rwilleby]

i dont think this thread was a slap in the face. He didnt say any thing rude he gave his opinion in a very nice way
"SLC you are Number one in the state because you earned it with a State Championship. But in my opinion there are better teams in Texas that i dont think you could keep up with"

Easy to say, hard to do... No team in Texas has the record, over the last five years, that SLC has... They didn't get it by dodging (no pun intended) any other team... They played all that came their way... So, while his statement was nice and was also his opinion, it was also disrepectful of SLC and all of the teams they beat... In my opinion...

As far as the National Title, what team held more number ones in the national polls than SLC? If the answer is none, and they beat all teams that came their way in the State of Texas, then how can they not be considered the National Champions? Did the Division I State Champion hold any number one positions in any national polls? Who else in Texas held a number one position? Did any other State Championship team from any other state hold more position one's than SLC? Again, if the answer is no, then SLC wins the title... Seems logical to me...

Just seems like talking, when their field performance says otherwise...

And I'm by no means a big SLC fan, just respect what they have done...

:) :) :) Just to lighten the mood...

[Slim-Rob]

Threads like this one are a blatant SLAP in the face to teams that did play SLC. I think they DID play the best team in texas and guess what... they beat them 34-20. It was the STATE CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!

SLC played the best and beat the best PERIOD!!!!

Westfield played a tough schedule and got beat by a good team that was clickin. NS had a good team but nodoby is gonna say that they were the best in the state...heck you'll be hard stretched to find anyone that will agree that they were the best in Reg 3.

Katy, SLC, lufkin played the toughest teams in the state

katy- SLC, smithson valley
Slc- lufkin, katy, plano
lufkin- slc, cove

"they played the best and beat the best"

Judson had the hardest schedule according to Opp. Record AND Opp. Ranking. And thats WITH Lee and Nixon included....

[PonyExpress81]

I have alot of respect for SLC and there program, and i dont want to seem to be jelous either because they have accomplished an almost impossible goal of winning so much. BUT is it really fair to Title them the best in the nation when they havent even played the best in the state.
No doubt that they are Incerdible, but nationally ranked number one...C'mon. like i said before, they havent played the best. Have they played North Shore? a team loaded with talent. a team loaded with size and speed. Did they Play Westfield. Westfield this year would of dominated the Div 1 if they hadnt been struck with injury in the semi finals. These two teams are to me what ever school trys to be. The fact is that Carrol runs a jaw dropping program, but in my book to be ranked number one you have to beat those who are dictators of there regions. other POWER HOUSES.

If SLC of 05 played Westfield of 05.. one winner...Westfield. Westfield to me was a the most impressive team i had seen a great while. the way they flowed was just imaculate to say the least. THEY EXECUTED WITH PERFECTION. and plus they were so big and fast. They where monsters..MEN played against Boys. Even against North shore another team with Equal talent couldnt bring down these monster of players. I know i know...Westfield didnt win state, but to me any team can be beatin on any given day under the right conditions and circumstances.

SLC you are Number one in the state because you earned it with a State Championship. But in my opinion there are better teams in Texas that i dont think you could keep up with

Ps. My beloved Humble team wouldnt stand a chance against SLC....We dont even come close to executing as perfect of a system as slc does. so i dont want to to seem biased at all..
if we played you....it would be a smack down. In saying that i just want to know that i do have Respect for your accomplishments but i just dont think you have earned NUMBER 1 over all.

Your dreaming - Westfield & North Shore were both overated all year, that Westfield class has been getting slapped around since their Pee Wee days. I couldn't believe anyone was picking them at all, even you guys in Humle were spanking on them in the early years too! SLC has been awesome in every classification that they have played in since the early 80's. This winning thing did'nt start happening just a few seasons ago. Your too Humble about your Humble team, didn't you guys just go through a coaching change this past season? Humble didn't look to bad a couple of years ago when they crushed ACM in College Station.

[dragonsdaddy]

as i've stated many, many times, the national title is mythical, and you can't spell mythical without cali, so how much can it be worth anyway? the earned titles are all that matter. national recognition is sought by those who wish they were from texas playing/watching texas hs football.

[rwilleby]

as i've stated many, many times, the national title is mythical, and you can't spell mythical without cali, so how much can it be worth anyway? the earned titles are all that matter. national recognition is sought by those who wish they were from texas playing/watching texas hs football.
This whole thread is mythical... Woulda, shoulda, coulda... :)

Katy shoulda beat SLC but your team got in the way! :) :)

[SLCDad]

Not at all... Just pointing out, in a round-about-way, that by dividing 5A into two divisons the UIL has created a situation where deciding who's best is no more than conjecture...

I mean, I'm sure there are plenty of people that think Katy was better than Euless Trinity and others that think Converse Judson was better than Katy and even some that would argue Plano was better than Converse Judson... The way it is now, you can't really dispute any of those claims... Its one opinion against the other... Perhaps North Shore had a better team than any of those in Division II, perhaps they didn't... Who can say for sure?It's one opinion against another? Perhaps . . . but most posters present the evidence for their opinion. Not all opinions are created equal. Some opinions are . . . well . . . . crap.

[SLCDad]

There is no doubt in my mind SLC was a dynamo team. I was just making a comment on based on final scores, not because I was from "afar." When people look at teams that crush other teams, week in and week out, they have to consider both sides of the ball and when you look at seasonal scores, it will tell you how good that team is over all. SLC would have beaten Shore this past year and SLC won the title-no question on that. I was making an unbiased statement based on that. Not slamming SLC at all.We know you weren't slamming SLC. No problem.

Dragonsdaddy's point was that SLC's defense get's consistently underrated. That's partially due to the fact that it's on the field so long every game. SLC scores so fast that they lose the time of possession almost every game. A couple of months ago I looked at the stats and found that SLC's defense had to face 3 more possessions every game than Trinity's defense (and Trinity also scores fast). I'd guess that SLC's defense faces more opponent's possessions than probably any team in Texas. That's one reason why they are underrated. You can't just look at the scores or the yardage allowed.

The 2005 Dragons were an awesome defensive team.

[Drake]

It's one opinion against another? Perhaps . . . but most posters present the evidence for their opinion. Not all opinions are created equal. Some opinions are . . . well . . . . crap.It is not necessarily one opinion AGAINST another... While it's true that differences of opinion have started wars, they have also led to great compromise and better understanding about many things... I guess it comes down to respect... You can either recognize someone has a differing opinion and try to understand why, perhaps explain why you hold the opinion you have, or you can just call their opinion "crap" because it's not the same as yours... To me, the latter doesn't seem very productive on a online discussion board...

[CKE]

It is not necessarily one opinion AGAINST another... While it's true that differences of opinion have started wars, they have also led to great compromise and better understanding about many things... I guess it comes down to respect... You can either recognize someone has a differing opinion and try to understand why, perhaps explain why you hold the opinion you have, or you can just call their opinion "crap" because it's not the same as yours... To me, the latter doesn't seem very productive on a online discussion board...

you cant talk aboutt respect on this board. there so many members on this board and everyone is going to have some feeling towards another team and they are going to express those feelings. take some of the katy posters for example. they keep saying that SLC played the best team in the state and beat them. how can this be disrespectful you ask. well other people do not think katy was the best team in the state. ask a lufkin poster or a longview or plano or SV poster are they going to think that nooooooooooo. and now a katy fan will say "well we beat some of those teams so we are better" and then a whole other argument comes up and it starts all over.

[Drake]

We know you weren't slamming SLC. No problem.

Dragonsdaddy's point was that SLC's defense get's consistently underrated. That's partially due to the fact that it's on the field so long every game. SLC scores so fast that they lose the time of possession almost every game. A couple of months ago I looked at the stats and found that SLC's defense had to face 3 more possessions every game than Trinity's defense (and Trinity also scores fast). I'd guess that SLC's defense faces more opponent's possessions than probably any team in Texas. That's one reason why they are underrated. You can't just look at the scores or the yardage allowed.

The 2005 Dragons were an awesome defensive team.I think this is true. I use to watch Baytown Lee a lot when they had Drew Tate. They were an offensive machine much like SLC is now. The problem was their strategy often led to 3 1/2 hour games and the defense on the field for many more possessions than a normal high school game. Baytown Lee didn't have the depth that SLC has so by the second half, even average teams would move the ball at will against Lee. There scores would end up 49-31, 58-38, stuff like that. Stats-wise their defense looked very vulnerable, but in reality they weren't as bad as they looked, just worn down... SLC is much deeper than Lee ever was, but I'm guessing that they are vulnerable to the same circumstance, at least against the better opponents...

[dragonsdaddy]

I think this is true. I use to watch Baytown Lee a lot when they had Drew Tate. They were an offensive machine much like SLC is now. The problem was their strategy often led to 3 1/2 hour games and the defense on the field for many more possessions than a normal high school game. Baytown Lee didn't have the depth that SLC has so by the second half, even average teams would move the ball at will against Lee. There scores would end up 49-31, 58-38, stuff like that. Stats-wise their defense looked very vulnerable, but in reality they weren't as bad as they looked, just worn down... SLC is much deeper than Lee ever was, but I'm guessing that they are vulnerable to the same circumstance, at least against the better opponents...
having watched almost every game in the dodge era, i have only seen one game where the slc team got in the situation you describe-kt in 03.

[Drake]

you cant talk aboutt respect on this board. there so many members on this board and everyone is going to have some feeling towards another team and they are going to express those feelings. take some of the katy posters for example. they keep saying that SLC played the best team in the state and beat them. how can this be disrespectful you ask. well other people do not think katy was the best team in the state. ask a lufkin poster or a longview or plano or SV poster are they going to think that nooooooooooo. and now a katy fan will say "well we beat some of those teams so we are better" and then a whole other argument comes up and it starts all over.If you think your team is better than mine and say so on this board, you're NOT being disrespectful... If you say I'm an idiot for not agreeing with you, you are being disrespectful...

[CKE]

If you think your team is better than mine and say so on this board, you're NOT being disrespectful... If you say I'm an idiot for not agreeing with you, you are being disrespectful...

i know but people are saying it was a slap in the face from the guy who made this thread when he never said anything like idiot. im not disagreeing with you just saying that the guy who made this thread made an all right post and some poeple are taking it wrong. you know what i mean

[Drake]

i know but people are saying it was a slap in the face from the guy who made this thread when he never said anything like idiot. im not disagreeing with you just saying that the guy who made this thread made an all right post and some poeple are taking it wrong. you know what i meanThat was my take...

[Drake]

having watched almost every game in the dodge era, i have only seen one game where the slc team got in the situation you describe-kt in 03.Really? I thought that was a low scoring game...

My post was just an assumption about SLC based on what SLCDad said and the fact that SLC gave up 20+ points to opponents 8 out of 15 games this year... I had to assume because I only saw one SLC game this year... Was just using a situation I WAS familiar with to make the case that SLC's defense was probably better than their stats indicated...

[dragonsdaddy]

Really? I thought that was a low scoring game...

My post was just an assumption about SLC based on what SLCDad said and the fact that SLC gave up 20+ points to opponents 8 out of 15 games this year... I had to assume because I only saw one SLC game this year... Was just using a situation I WAS familiar with to make the case that SLC's defense was probably better than their stats indicated...
the kt offense along with the extreme loss of time of possession wore down the slc defense. only time i ever saw them tired at the end. it would be interesting to find the average score per possession for slc's opponents versus the rest of the teams the opponents faced.

[HUM398]

In defense of my self. It was never my intention to disrespect SLC's Accomplishments or undermine them. I was simply stating my opinion. Now if you want to take it as a slap in the face, Dont. i said many times that i have no intention of Disrespecting SLC and i respect the program very much. But i just simply think the "mythical" National Title is a little much, and i personally think that Westfield could have beaten you. Thats it. Is it disrespectful to think that there is someone that can beat you?

Look, SLC deserves there State Championship because they won it. And i would never try to take Your championship away by claiming you didnt deserve to be there, because clearly that wasnt the case. Congrats on your accomplishments. You are 06 state champions. But again the purpose of my thread was not to Belittle you but simply state that i dont believe yall are Nationally the best because it isnt proven. And i say that because in my mind there are better teams....but the fact is you won and got the Championship. Congrats again.

[CKE]

In defense of my self. It was never my intention to disrespect SLC's Accomplishments or undermine them. I was simply stating my opinion. Now if you want to take it as a slap in the face, Dont. i said many times that i have no intention of Disrespecting SLC and i respect the program very much. But i just simply think the "mythical" National Title is a little much, and i personally think that Westfield could have beaten you. Thats it. Is it disrespectful to think that there is someone that can beat you?

Look, SLC deserves there State Championship because they won it. And i would never try to take Your championship away by claiming you didnt deserve to be there, because clearly that wasnt the case. Congrats on your accomplishments. You are 06 state champions. But again the purpose of my thread was not to Belittle you but simply state that i dont believe yall are Nationally the best because it isnt proven. And i say that because in my mind there are better teams....but the fact is you won and got the Championship. Congrats again.

no they think it was a slap in the face to teams SLC played

[dragonsdaddy]

and the sad thing about your opinion is that even if the uil hadn't screwed things up, and the 2 div champs gotten to play to a single champion, you'd still have the same belief, because wf wouldn't have been there anyway.

[CKE]

and the sad thing about your opinion is that even if the uil hadn't screwed things up, and the 2 div champs gotten to play to a single champion, you'd still have the same belief, because wf wouldn't have been there anyway.

lol ouch good point. now that is hard to argue with

[ktCarl]

DUH!?





(I'm trying to get my post count up the way D08 does...Shhhhhh)

[drgnbkr]

Whoever said it had to be fair? Laredo Nixon has never gotten the chance to play the Dragons! It's just not fair....:cool:

[Drake]

lol ouch good point. now that is hard to argue withI can argue with it... Had ALL the 5A teams been in one bracket, perhaps Carroll and Westfield have different roads to the final with different results?

[CKE]

I can argue with it... Had ALL the 5A teams been in one bracket, perhaps Carroll and Westfield have different roads to the final with different results?

ok then argue a lost cause its not going ot convince anyone but yourself

[drgnbkr]

I can argue with it... Had ALL the 5A teams been in one bracket, perhaps Carroll and Westfield have different roads to the final with different results?

Why would you put Westfield in your hypothetical scenario? D-1 has been a parade of 1 & dones (titles) for several years, whereas D-2 has shown a concentration of power throughout the 2000's, and I'm talking about Katy, SV, lufkin, Abilene..what's the point?

[Drake]

Why would you put Westfield in your hypothetical scenario? D-1 has been a parade of 1 & dones (titles) for several years, whereas D-2 has shown a concentration of power throughout the 2000's, and I'm talking about Katy, SV, lufkin, Abilene..what's the point?My point was the same that I've been making all along... SLC's season and playoffs PROVED only one thing for certain (as far as their place on the totum pole); They beat everyone they played and are the 5A DIV II Champs...

I don't know where Westfield belongs in the pecking order, but the point of my previous post was that if the Division one teams had been in one big 5A bracket perhaps it all shakes out different... What if SLC played ET in the 2nd round and lost? Everyone would be saying SLC was over-rated (like they're saying about Westfield) when in truth they would be the same team that won DIV II... Point is, no one can say for SURe except SLC is DIV II champs.

[drgnbkr]

My point was the same that I've been making all along... SLC's season and playoffs PROVED only one thing for certain (as far as their place on the totum pole); They beat everyone they played and are the 5A DIV II Champs...

I don't know where Westfield belongs in the pecking order, but the point of my previous post was that if the Division one teams had been in one big 5A bracket perhaps it all shakes out different... What if SLC played ET in the 2nd round and lost? Everyone would be saying SLC was over-rated (like they're saying about Westfield) when in truth they would be the same team that won DIV II... Point is, no one can say for SURe except SLC is DIV II champs.

You keep throwing out all of the woulda's shoulda's and coulda's...it is always about the teams that Carroll did'nt play being the ones that would'a whooped em...it gets old...but we're use to it

[DrEdward]

There are over two hundred teams playing 5A football in Texas. It is clearly impossible for Carroll or anyone else to play every other team in the state to somehow determine the best team on a playoff basis. I have no idea how many high school teams there are in the United States, yet that would appear to be what some folks here are requiring to determine national champion, mythical or otherwise. I am certain that there are lots of good fans out there who believe that the school they support would have beaten Carroll or Trinity or whomever, if only they had played each other and that therefore that Carroll is not the really the best. You are entitiled to that view. Yet the fact remains that Carroll, in the example here, managed to win every game it played sixteen times, including wins over teams that somehow managed to also win on the field and in a manner sufficient to impress the sports writers from around the US. On that basis, it certainly strikes me as fair, ,within the system that is possible, to indeed state tha Carroll was the best this past season.:D

[Drake]

You keep throwing out all of the woulda's shoulda's and coulda's...it is always about the teams that Carroll did'nt play being the ones that would'a whooped em...it gets old...but we're use to itI throw out a hypothetical scenario to try and make a point and you take it as an affront against you and/or your team... I don't understand that...

[Drake]

Dragonbkr... You and I both think SLC was the best 5A team in the state this past season... Who do you think was the 2nd best team?

[drgnbkr]

Dragonbkr... You and I both think SLC was the best 5A team in the state this past season... Who do you think was the 2nd best team?

I honestly believe Katy was clearly the 2nd best team. I go by the quality of opposition...it's all we have to judge the teams by. Trinity lost a game during district play, which discounts them. If Lufkin had not lost their QB I probably would call them and Katy a tossup for 2nd best. I can't see putting Westfield in the mix until they win a title. A lot of teams have athletes, we see them every year, but can they win when it counts against quality opposition? That is the true test.

[Drake]

I honestly believe Katy was clearly the 2nd best team. I go by the quality of opposition...it's all we have to judge the teams by. Trinity lost a game during district play, which discounts them. If Lufkin had not lost their QB I probably would call them and Katy a tossup for 2nd best. I can't see putting Westfield in the mix until they win a title. A lot of teams have athletes, we see them every year, but can they win when it counts against quality opposition? That is the true test.But you do agree that a good argument could be made that either SLC or ET was the best 5A team using their championships as a basis AND if so, a good argument could be made that Katy, SLC, ET, Judson, and even Plano was the 2nd best team in 5A... See where I'm going? Except for saying that SLC is the DIV II champs and ET is the DIV I champs, the rest is no more than opinion... No need taking it as an attack against your opinion or your school if someone's is different than yours... I think...

[Favpack]

If SLC and ET had met in week 1 of D1 - I truly feel SLC would have won - possibly with ease. ET lost a game, almost lost another one to miss the playoffs altogether -and really was in a re-grouping mode until about midway through their relatively cake-walkish run through D1.

'05 was simply SLC's year.

I think Tyler Lee could have beaten SLC in '04 - who knows? Abilene, Lufkin and SV all took SLC to the wire - no reason why Lee doesn't also.

In 2002 SLC came storming back in the D2 semi's from a 30-14 deficit to win in the final seconds over Lufkin 33-30 and then demolished SV in the final - game was over in the first quarter. Conversely, Midland High essentially won D1, only to lose to Judson on the most freakish final play since PESH and JT in the 90's -- and Midland finished 3rd in their district. I think SLC would have handled Judson in '02.

The best team I've seen in many years was the North Shore team of '03 - either division. They had it all - and played well together as a team. NS '03 vs. SLC '05 would be the game of the past five years I think. The winner could play Lufkin '01 - haha.

Just my humble opinion.

[dragonsdaddy]

Dragonbkr... You and I both think SLC was the best 5A team in the state this past season... Who do you think was the 2nd best team?
if you mean that which teams would have won a tourney after we or et got thru with them, i'd say it would be between kt and plano. lp and wf both were playing with season changing injuries. i would put et next then sv.

[drgnbkr]

But you do agree that a good argument could be made that either SLC or ET was the best 5A team using their championships as a basis AND if so, a good argument could be made that Katy, SLC, ET, Judson, and even Plano was the 2nd best team in 5A... See where I'm going? Except for saying that SLC is the DIV II champs and ET is the DIV I champs, the rest is no more than opinion... No need taking it as an attack against your opinion or your school if someone's is different than yours... I think...

Sorry if it seems I take it as an attack..I just try to argue with the light of history behind me..my comment about "it's always the team Carroll did'nt play being the one who could beat the Dragons" is borne out of the frustration of hearing it for years..you'd think we'd have played everyone by now, but just have'nt gotten around to all of them yet..I do know this, I was really hoping we would end up in D-1 this past season just so we could go to some new places and see some new faces..not that we don't enjoy the intensity of the games with Katy, LP, SV, Abilene etc.

[Favpack]

Sorry if it seems I take it as an attack..I just try to argue with the light of history behind me..my comment about "it's always the team Carroll did'nt play being the one who could beat the Dragons" is borne out of the frustration of hearing it for years..you'd think we'd have played everyone by now, but just have'nt gotten around to all of them yet..I do know this, I was really hoping we would end up in D-1 this past season just so we could go to some new places and see some new faces..not that we don't enjoy the intensity of the games with Katy, LP, SV, Abilene etc.

SLC was the team of 2005, and most Dragons wanted to play ET in the po's from what I gather. I think the ET players wanted SLC - but the wiser and older crowd admitted here they wanted no part of SLC. Not to point a local finger, but many LP fans wanted to see SLC go D1 for a similar reason even though the kids here wanted another shot at the Dragons.

So, bottom line - when you want to play the best and the other good teams don't mind avoiding you - that speaks quite a bit on how good SLC was last year in hindsight.

[Favpack]

But you do agree that a good argument could be made that either SLC or ET was the best 5A team using their championships as a basis AND if so, a good argument could be made that Katy, SLC, ET, Judson, and even Plano was the 2nd best team in 5A... See where I'm going? Except for saying that SLC is the DIV II champs and ET is the DIV I champs, the rest is no more than opinion... No need taking it as an attack against your opinion or your school if someone's is different than yours... I think...

SD - you sound like Perry Mason my friend. ET got beat once, almost got beat again - and their road to D1 glory was easy by anyone's standards. C'mon. SLC played or played the team that beat Plano, Katy, Lufkin, Longview AHS, Cop. Cove, and a host of other undefeated teams. D1 was weak this year - even for D1's standards.

[Drake]

I included in many of my posts that I think SLC is the best in 2005, but I recognize its only an opinion...

I do however think my points are valid, and the logic behind it reveals that:

Under the current system only TWO teams can argue they are the best in 5A; SLC and Trinity, but...

because of the current system, ANY team that was knocked out of the playoffs by either of these schools can claim they were 2nd best, and...

any school that was knocked out by any school that can claim being 2nd best can argue that they are 3rd best...

and so on and so on without anybody being able PROVE WITHOUT A DOUBT they are wrong...

For instance; SLC can claim they are best because they won DIV II, only Trinity can refute it because they won DIV I, therefore; Katy can claim it is the 2nd best team because they were knocked out by a team that can claim to be the best team, so; CyFalls can claim they were the third best team because they were knocked out by a team that can claim to be the 2nd best team...

See where I'm going with this? It's becoming quite clear to me that Strake Jesuit had the 4th best team in the state! :D

[RidgePride]

no man, you dont have to live with it, you can rebel against the system..i could care less if were number one..as long as we have that state trophey, it says enough

No, he does have to live with it. His argument is ridiculous.

[drgnbkr]

I included in many of my posts that I think SLC is the best in 2005, but I recognize its only an opinion...

I do however think my points are valid, and the logic behind it reveals that:

Under the current system only TWO teams can argue they are the best in 5A; SLC and Trinity, but...

because of the current system, ANY team that was knocked out of the playoffs by either of these schools can claim they were 2nd best, and...

any school that was knocked out by any school that can claim being 2nd best can argue that they are 3rd best...

and so on and so on without anybody being able PROVE WITHOUT A DOUBT they are wrong...

For instance; SLC can claim they are best because they won DIV II, only Trinity can refute it because they won DIV I, therefore; Katy can claim it is the 2nd best team because they were knocked out by a team that can claim to be the best team, so; CyFalls can claim they were the third best team because they were knocked out by a team that can claim to be the 2nd best team...

See where I'm going with this? It's becoming quite clear to me that Strake Jesuit had the 4th best team in the state! :D

So, enough hot air to inflate 37 balloons was expended to support your belief that a recruitin, outlaw, private school that should'nt even be playoff legal, was the 4th best team in the state!..?....:D

[Drake]

[/B]

So, enough hot air to inflate 37 balloons was expended to support your belief that a recruitin, outlaw, private school that should'nt even be playoff legal, was the 4th best team in the state!..?....:DNah... Just havin'a little fun... I don't have to use 37 balloons worth of bloviation to get a "rise" outa you SLCers... ;)

[drgnbkr]

I just got in from Albuquerque..the balloons were up yesterday and they were looking pretty nice..don't know what that random observation has to do with 5-A Football, but it is the offseason....:o