9/11 for sure to make you wounder

[stevefoxsc]

http://www.trm.cc/loose_change-1of2.wmv

Part Two

http://www.trm.cc/loose_change-2of2.wmv


dont know if you have seen it or not but this video is very different but then again raises an eye brow.

[SeguinMatadors]

I have seen that... it really does get you thinking.

[stevefoxsc]

yea i like posting stuff like that on here to get peoples oppinions the people on this board aren't like people on myspace or ebaums or alot of other places where they come in and go



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[CKE]

That was pretty crazy it does get you thinking



p.s. WE NEVER LANDED ON THE MOON :eek:

[GoOwls]

I watched both of the videos and this is my take.

Does it really matter if Usama it, or the Government did it, or Mickey Mouse and the rest of the gang did it? We are at the will of the powers that be......and if you think I'm talking about the US Govt., or Bush or Clinton, no......I'm talking about the real power brokers who really run this country/world. The ultra rich who aren't listed in the 100 richest people poll, or the Forbes 500. I'm talking about the guys who really control the stock market and world trade and commerce.

There is a group of guys, like Mafia bosses, only on a larger scale, who pull all the strings. They are the ones who know what a president will do before he does, and they orchestrate world events knowing what world leaders will do and how they will react to a cetain set of stimuli. If they cause something and a world leader doesn't do as expected, they will alter it so the desired action will be taken, or the guy has to go (John Kennedy, Anwar Sadat, the list goes on and on).

The point is, we little peons are helpless to affect it in any way, and if by some chance, someone gets too close to effecting change that is undesirable to the powers that be, they will disappear, one way or another. It makes for great discussion and cute videos, but it means nothing and it will have NO effect.

I think it's hilarous when people get into a heated debate over whether Republican or Democrat is the correct party or platform. When I see that, I know that they don't get it.....they just don't see the big picture. It doesn't matter who's in office, the same stuff will happen anyway, it may happen differently, but it will happen.

I'm convinced that over 99% of the American public see the world through a paper towel tube, you know, tunnel vision. They don't think they do, but they see a very small picture, but think they see the big picture. They couldn't be more self-misled. Do come join me in that less-than-1%. It's very lonely here.:D

[jtk1519]

I love a good conspiracy theory and have been no known to even perpetuate a few in my time, but when push comes to shove, I tend to be a believer in Ockham's Razor which simply says... "the simplest explanation tends to be the right one".

[GoOwls]

To me, the simplest explanation is that there are forces beyond our conprehension that are in control of the big picture, not the little day-to-day stuff, but the grand scheme. What is your simplest explanation? I'm very interested in your opinion.

[jtk1519]

To me, the simplest explanation is that there are forces beyond our conprehension that are in control of the big picture, not the little day-to-day stuff, but the grand scheme. What is your simplest explanation? I'm very interested in your opinion.

I'm not sure I have enough information to formulate an educated explanation of the events of that day. I have watched all the shows on the History Channel, Discovery Science, the National Geographic Channel, etc. that try and answer the questions raised on that day. I have also viewed and read several "conspiracy theories" such as the one linked above.

The problem is that they all make decent cases to supports their positions, but not air tight cases. In fact, as with the two videos above, it seems like when one question gets answered, it raises a whole new question thus creating a seemingly endless cycle of searching and questioning with no end in sight.

I will say this though... I do believe that their are powerful forces at work in this world. I do believe that most of the world's governments (including our own to an extent) are nothing more than puppets that are being controlled by entities we can't comprehend. I would recommend that you Google "Illuminati" and begin to read. A good part of what you will read is little more than the crack-pot ramblings of drug addicted hippies, but I think under the sensationalistic stories resides an element of truth.

Henry Kissinger said something very profound several years ago when he said...

"Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful. This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government."

I agree with that sentiment.

Now, I'm not willing to believe that our government had anything to do with the attacks of 9/11, but I'm not willing to rule it out either. What I will not do is take everything I'm told at face value. Everybody has an agenda they are trying to push... whether they know it or not.

[jtk1519]

BTW, if you really want to have some fun, Google "David Icke". You can spend hours reading some of the funniest stuff ever to grace the internet. For example, he believes George H.W. Bush is a shape-shifting lizzard and he also contends that we are living in our own "matrix". Great stuff.

[slorch]

I was willing to watch until the anti-bush kept bubbling up. Come on, one side's conspiracy is another's justification and vice-versa.

I have always believed since 9-11 that the plane that "crashed" in PA was shot down, with the Heroic story about the passengers little more than propaganda.

I personally feel we have sold out our values in so many ways both socially and fiscally, that we have wasted alot of the things our predecessors fought and died for. The "border" with Mexico is a disgrace. Our trade with China is nothing less than greed. Our welfare society is the absolute opposite of what America means to me.
we have weak leaders on both sides of the aisle who are willing to be bought. It is truly sickening.

What do I do in all this? I work my butt off, I am a good husband, I teach my children how to be responsible adults. I vote( sometimes I wonder why, but feel it is homage to those who died for my right to vote.) In other words, I control what I control, and I don't spend a whole lot of mental energy engaging conspiracy theories. It still happened, and I don't think either side will ever truly be held accountable until the real judgment day.

[jtk1519]

I have always believed since 9-11 that the plane that "crashed" in PA was shot down, with the Heroic story about the passengers little more than propaganda.

I personally believe that Flight 93 was ordered to be shot down and that is exactly what happened. It was shot down by a US fighter jet in a vacant Pennsylvania field rather than risk that flight getting into airspace over a large metropolitan area.

The "let's go" story may very well be true and it may be made up as part of a cover-up. Either way, I think the US government has really pushed that story as a way for covering up the fact that they made a very difficult decision to take that plane down before it did more harm.

As for the videos above, what I will give them a lot of credit for is their focus on the incident at the Pentagon which has been fishy to me since day one. As somebody who has been to the Pentagon, three things really struck me as I began to think about the events of that day.

One, the Pentagon is a very massive building, but it's not all that tall (only about 5 stories I believe). In many way, it provides a huge target, but to think that even an outstanding pilot was able to fly a jumbo-jet perfectly into the side of what is a relatively short wall without over-shooting the first wall or hitting the lawn first stretches the imagination to say the very least.

Two, the impact spot on the side of the Pentagon was not near big enough to be caused by a jumbo jet. The Pentagon is probably one of the toughest and most well constructed buildings around, but it should have suffered a lot more damage. You can start with the fact that the Pentagon is about as tall as the plane itself. The tail section of the plane should have made contact with the roof of the Pentagon.

Third and last, the Pentagon is home to the nation's defense systems. This is one of the more heavily guarded and important buildings in all of Washington DC and you're telling me that there is no footage of this plane hitting the building. Bull sh**! The World Trade Center is not half the tourist attraction and did not receive near the attention that the Pentagon did back then, but there are multiple camera angles of the first plane strike against the WTC. However, nothing for the Pentagon. There is a huge red flag going off in my head.

I believe that, for whatever the reason, the Pentagon was hit with a missile and the only footage of the video that exists (the 5 frames from that security camera) shows that in my opinion. What it does show is something far smaller than a jumbo jet hitting the side of that building with the speed and accuracy a jumbo jet could not obtain.

We can debate the WTC planes and all of that, but I believe without a shadow of a doubt that we are being lied to about the Pentagon strike... for whatever the reason.

[CLFalcon2006]

After watching that you have to question some of the things that happened that day. The WTC seemed to be a strech for conspieracists, that light (missile) that occured right before the plane struck was interesting but was probably just bad footage from the camera (all of this is ahppeneing very fast on poor cameras, some light might not be exposed and all kinds of sutff) what they said about explosions and then a collapse (like a demolition) is just plain stupid. Like we all know, thousands of people worked in the WTC and for demolitions to go down smoothly it takes (for the WTC) llllooooottttssss of explosives to bring it down. There is no way a huge demolition crew could get in there and rig the building without anyone knowing (unless they built the WTC in 73 with the explosives so it could come down in 2001:eek: )

The Pentagon however is very fishy. The arguments about a missile are very convinving. In fact the only thing that makes me think that it was a plane was eyewitness accounts and the fact that we would have a missing plane with 40 someodd people in it; from all the info we have i would say it's more logical to believe a missile hit the pentagon rather than a plane, but im never gonna be truly sold on conspiracy theories.

I'm not sure what to think about flight 93. It almost seems like we were never really given much information about that plane other than the fact that it was hijacked and there was the hero story. (All the other planes turned course relativley quickly after they took off, flight 93 became a threat after all the damage had occured to both towers and the pentagon, why was it so late:confused: )

Anyways, even if there is a huge conspiracy theory, are we in control? Can we do anything about it? Unless someone knows where the secret HQ of the Illuminati is, I think we should continue with the course we are on now, no matter how unpopular it is becoming or how poorly run it is.

[dragonsdaddy]

my feeling is that someone in the decision process probably got fired that all 4 planes weren't shot down. as soon as the planes were determined to be taken over by terrorists, that should have been the plan. there is no excuse for any but the first to have gotten to the wtc.

[LPFAN]

I watched both of the videos and this is my take.

Does it really matter if Usama it, or the Government did it, or Mickey Mouse and the rest of the gang did it? We are at the will of the powers that be......and if you think I'm talking about the US Govt., or Bush or Clinton, no......I'm talking about the real power brokers who really run this country/world. The ultra rich who aren't listed in the 100 richest people poll, or the Forbes 500. I'm talking about the guys who really control the stock market and world trade and commerce.

There is a group of guys, like Mafia bosses, only on a larger scale, who pull all the strings. They are the ones who know what a president will do before he does, and they orchestrate world events knowing what world leaders will do and how they will react to a cetain set of stimuli. If they cause something and a world leader doesn't do as expected, they will alter it so the desired action will be taken, or the guy has to go (John Kennedy, Anwar Sadat, the list goes on and on).

The point is, we little peons are helpless to affect it in any way, and if by some chance, someone gets too close to effecting change that is undesirable to the powers that be, they will disappear, one way or another. It makes for great discussion and cute videos, but it means nothing and it will have NO effect.

I think it's hilarous when people get into a heated debate over whether Republican or Democrat is the correct party or platform. When I see that, I know that they don't get it.....they just don't see the big picture. It doesn't matter who's in office, the same stuff will happen anyway, it may happen differently, but it will happen.

I'm convinced that over 99% of the American public see the world through a paper towel tube, you know, tunnel vision. They don't think they do, but they see a very small picture, but think they see the big picture. They couldn't be more self-misled. Do come join me in that less-than-1%. It's very lonely here.:D
That post was right on target. Most people do not have a clue. They are so busy coming and going, buying and selling, and wanting the next "new thing" that they don't even know what is really going on. Has anyone looked up to the sky and wondered what is going on above us? I have and it is very disturbing. It is amazing how clueless people can be.

[LPFAN]

I was willing to watch until the anti-bush kept bubbling up. Come on, one side's conspiracy is another's justification and vice-versa.

I have always believed since 9-11 that the plane that "crashed" in PA was shot down, with the Heroic story about the passengers little more than propaganda.

I personally feel we have sold out our values in so many ways both socially and fiscally, that we have wasted alot of the things our predecessors fought and died for. The "border" with Mexico is a disgrace. Our trade with China is nothing less than greed. Our welfare society is the absolute opposite of what America means to me.
we have weak leaders on both sides of the aisle who are willing to be bought. It is truly sickening.

What do I do in all this? I work my butt off, I am a good husband, I teach my children how to be responsible adults. I vote( sometimes I wonder why, but feel it is homage to those who died for my right to vote.) In other words, I control what I control, and I don't spend a whole lot of mental energy engaging conspiracy theories. It still happened, and I don't think either side will ever truly be held accountable until the real judgment day.


That last statement is so true. Too bad we have to wait untill then but thank God that they will eventually be held accountable.

[KT2000]

I have always believed since 9-11 that the plane that "crashed" in PA was shot down, with the Heroic story about the passengers little more than propaganda.

Pat Tillman.

I remember the story they tried to tell us about how he engaged the enemy uphill and died a warrior's death to keep the men in his company safe. Then, news leaked by the media that he was actually gunned down accidentally by friendly fire. Tillman is a hero in my book, and thought it an insult to his memory to lie about how it happened. He was a hero the second he left the Cardinals to serve his country.

The PA plane was definitely shot down in my opinion, and the way it is being portrayed doesn't surprise me a bit. I believe the men did try and attempt to fight to retake control, but that the aircraft was shot down in the process.

[SeguinMatadors]

Pat Tillman.

I remember the story they tried to tell us about how he engaged the enemy uphill and died a warrior's death to keep the men in his company safe. Then, news leaked by the media that he was actually gunned down accidentally by friendly fire. Tillman is a hero in my book, and thought it an insult to his memory to lie about how it happened. He was a hero the second he left the Cardinals to serve his country.

The PA plane was definitely shot down in my opinion, and the way it is being portrayed doesn't surprise me a bit. I believe the men did try and attempt to fight to retake control, but that the aircraft was shot down in the process.

Pat Tillman greatly affected my life.. when I heard about what happened to him it made me have a greater appreciation for man kind.. that fact that there are still people out there like that makes me feel a little better about this world.... I wrote a paper on him in HS.

[CKE]

Pat Tillman greatly affected my life.. when I heard about what happened to him it made me have a greater appreciation for man kind.. that fact that there are still people out there like that makes me feel a little better about this world.... I wrote a paper on him in HS.

thats tight i wrote a paper as well in gov.

[LPFAN]

Pat Tillman.

I remember the story they tried to tell us about how he engaged the enemy uphill and died a warrior's death to keep the men in his company safe. Then, news leaked by the media that he was actually gunned down accidentally by friendly fire. Tillman is a hero in my book, and thought it an insult to his memory to lie about how it happened. He was a hero the second he left the Cardinals to serve his country.

The PA plane was definitely shot down in my opinion, and the way it is being portrayed doesn't surprise me a bit. I believe the men did try and attempt to fight to retake control, but that the aircraft was shot down in the process.
Hey you quoted and LPFan but I wanted to clarify that it wasn't my quote. I am LPFAN. All caps!!! I looked back and didn't even see that quote. Just wanted to clarify. I just looked again and you got that statement from when I posted a message in reply to Slorch's message.

[AllenEagle06]

That was pretty crazy it does get you thinking



p.s. WE NEVER LANDED ON THE MOON :eek:
The moon landing happened. There are reasons to prove the non-believers wrong.

This 9/11 video isn't is a good enough quality to fully see what they are talking about, so there is a good chance it's wrong.

[CKE]

The moon landing happened. There are reasons to prove the non-believers wrong.

This 9/11 video isn't is a good enough quality to fully see what they are talking about, so there is a good chance it's wrong.

i was kidding but what reasons

[Slim-Rob]

It is very convincing. But I don't believe it.

The narrarator can't read for crap though. I would think if they are trying to make a point they need to at least get someone that can read. and the video quality was HORRIBLE. Maybe thats just because its on the computer though....

[yankee]

I personally believe that Flight 93 was ordered to be shot down and that is exactly what happened. It was shot down by a US fighter jet in a vacant Pennsylvania field rather than risk that flight getting into airspace over a large metropolitan area.

The "let's go" story may very well be true and it may be made up as part of a cover-up. Either way, I think the US government has really pushed that story as a way for covering up the fact that they made a very difficult decision to take that plane down before it did more harm.

As for the videos above, what I will give them a lot of credit for is their focus on the incident at the Pentagon which has been fishy to me since day one. As somebody who has been to the Pentagon, three things really struck me as I began to think about the events of that day.

One, the Pentagon is a very massive building, but it's not all that tall (only about 5 stories I believe). In many way, it provides a huge target, but to think that even an outstanding pilot was able to fly a jumbo-jet perfectly into the side of what is a relatively short wall without over-shooting the first wall or hitting the lawn first stretches the imagination to say the very least.

Two, the impact spot on the side of the Pentagon was not near big enough to be caused by a jumbo jet. The Pentagon is probably one of the toughest and most well constructed buildings around, but it should have suffered a lot more damage. You can start with the fact that the Pentagon is about as tall as the plane itself. The tail section of the plane should have made contact with the roof of the Pentagon.

Third and last, the Pentagon is home to the nation's defense systems. This is one of the more heavily guarded and important buildings in all of Washington DC and you're telling me that there is no footage of this plane hitting the building. Bull sh**! The World Trade Center is not half the tourist attraction and did not receive near the attention that the Pentagon did back then, but there are multiple camera angles of the first plane strike against the WTC. However, nothing for the Pentagon. There is a huge red flag going off in my head.

I believe that, for whatever the reason, the Pentagon was hit with a missile and the only footage of the video that exists (the 5 frames from that security camera) shows that in my opinion. What it does show is something far smaller than a jumbo jet hitting the side of that building with the speed and accuracy a jumbo jet could not obtain.

We can debate the WTC planes and all of that, but I believe without a shadow of a doubt that we are being lied to about the Pentagon strike... for whatever the reason.
i can answer both of your questions with one answer. go watch the national geographic show on the 9/11 events. to answer your first statement about flying into the pentagon. the pilot that flew into the pentagon had months upon months of flight training. all the hijackers or at least the pilots did too. they were provided just about unlimited money to pursue whatever they wanted and to get all the training they needed. and on your statement about no tape on the jet flying into the pentagon. yes, there is tape. first off you must remember that there were cameras in the area where the plane hit. of course there were, it it the most important building in the us govt. but dont you think that a plane laden with thousands of pounds of fuel and traveling at 500+ mph would kinda, just maybe destroy those cameras. there was a parking camera that caught the plane flying into the building, it is freaky. go get the national geographic tape.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911_pentagon_eyewitnesses.html

[Slim-Rob]

There WAS a video camera pointed straight at the pentagon. From across the street at a gas station. But it the tape was confiscated by the FBI and is never going to be released. ACCORDING to this video. How valid is the source though?

[jtk1519]

i can answer both of your questions with one answer. go watch the national geographic show on the 9/11 events. to answer your first statement about flying into the pentagon. the pilot that flew into the pentagon had months upon months of flight training. all the hijackers or at least the pilots did too. they were provided just about unlimited money to pursue whatever they wanted and to get all the training they needed. and on your statement about no tape on the jet flying into the pentagon. yes, there is tape. first off you must remember that there were cameras in the area where the plane hit. of course there were, it it the most important building in the us govt. but dont you think that a plane laden with thousands of pounds of fuel and traveling at 500+ mph would kinda, just maybe destroy those cameras. there was a parking camera that caught the plane flying into the building, it is freaky. go get the national geographic tape.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911_pentagon_eyewitnesses.html

The Pentagon is 77 feet tall. A Boeing 757 like the one that supposedly crashed into the Pentagon is about 45 feet tall. That’s a mere 32 feet of error for a plane flying at over 500 mph. For someone to fly a plane that size at over 500 mph perfectly into the side of a building without coming in too high or hitting the ground before contact with the building would require a level of expertise and precision that would make the "Blue Angels" pilots proud. Could it have happened? Sure. Could it have happened with an amateur pilot with very little, if any jumbo jet flying experience? I think not.

I'm afraid your camera theory doesn’t fly either. I used to work at a Wal-Mart Supercenter here in Abilene. We have a total of 75 cameras positioned just on the roof of the building alone. That does not include the other half dozen cameras in the parking lot focused on the building or the 200+ cameras located inside of the building. Am I to assume that a Wal-Mart Supercenter in Abilene, TX is better monitored than the Pentagon? Again, I think not. Aside from the hundreds upon hundreds of cameras on the roof of the Pentagon, in the parking lots, around the perimeter of the site focused on the building itself and the cameras on the inside, there are numerous news cameras and webcams that keep a 24 hour feed of the Pentagon... some located more than a mile away. To say that not one of those cameras was able to catch just a single image of the incident strains credibility to the point of absurdity.

[Slim-Rob]

The Pentagon is 77 feet tall. A Boeing 757 like the one that supposedly crashed into the Pentagon is about 45 feet tall. That’s a mere 32 feet of error for a plane flying at over 500 mph. For someone to fly a plane that size at over 500 mph perfectly into the side of a building without coming in too high or hitting the ground before contact with the building would require a level of expertise and precision that would make the "Blue Angels" pilots proud. Could it have happened? Sure. Could it have happened with an amateur pilot with very little, if any jumbo jet flying experience? I think not.

I'm afraid your camera theory doesn’t fly either. I used to work at a Wal-Mart Supercenter here in Abilene. We have a total of 75 cameras positioned just on the roof of the building alone. That does not include the other half dozen cameras in the parking lot focused on the building or the 200+ cameras located inside of the building. Am I to assume that a Wal-Mart Supercenter in Abilene, TX is better monitored than the Pentagon? Again, I think not. Aside from the hundreds upon hundreds of cameras on the roof of the Pentagon, in the parking lots, around the perimeter of the site focused on the building itself and the cameras on the inside, there are numerous news cameras and webcams that keep a 24 hour feed of the Pentagon... some located more than a mile away. To say that not one of those cameras was able to catch just a single image of the incident strains credibility to the point of absurdity.

Any and all videos are probably locked away somewhere in some top secret FBI vault. But also, wasn't this area of the pentagon under construction? If it was under construction they may have removed the cameras.

I don't believe the government fully, but I also don't believe these videos fully. None of it matches up. NONE OF IT.

[jtk1519]

I don't care what anyone says, this...

http://www.montalk.net/100_per_second.gif

...is not an American Airlines Boeing 757 hitting that building.

Something else about the only images we have of the attack (those taken from the security camera and posted above)... the date and time stamp in the bottom left hand corner reads Sept. 12, 2001 at 5:37 pm. Of course, the attack occured on Sept. 11 at 9:37 am. Read into that what you will.

[Slim-Rob]

I don't care what anyone says, this...

http://www.montalk.net/100_per_second.gif

...is not an American Airlines Boeing 757 hitting that building.

Something else about the only images we have of the attack (those taken from the security camera and posted above)... the date and time stamp in the bottom left hand corner reads Sept. 12, 2001 at 5:37 pm. Of course, the attack occured on Sept. 11 at 9:37 am. Read into that what you will.

The government is not stupid....I take that back...the FBI isn't....dang...OKAY here we go:

What I don't understand is even if they faked this whole thing, why didn't they get some hollywood computer people in there to mock up a plane hitting the building? They could have made it look so real, but instead they show this POS 4 frames. And if you look in the first frame, on the right side you can see something long, slender and white. It is not a 757. IDK what it is though.

[garlandowl08]

To me, this whole thing is too little too late.

THe point is, people died. Terrorists were doing bad things. THey may not be linked in reality (although I believe they are), but our goevernemnt chose to attack Al-Qaeda. This is what happened and we must move on from here. Respect and support our troops and honor those that died. There is not point living in the past, only learning from it.

[AllenEagle06]

I don't care what anyone says, this...

http://www.montalk.net/100_per_second.gif

...is not an American Airlines Boeing 757 hitting that building.

Something else about the only images we have of the attack (those taken from the security camera and posted above)... the date and time stamp in the bottom left hand corner reads Sept. 12, 2001 at 5:37 pm. Of course, the attack occured on Sept. 11 at 9:37 am. Read into that what you will.
If you watch that video and press the stop button (the one that you would use to stop the page from loading) at the right time you can see the white thing whatever it is, just barely.

[slorch]

That last statement is so true. Too bad we have to wait untill then but thank God that they will eventually be held accountable.[/QUOTE]

I got time...
PLENTY of it.

[Slim-Rob]

To me, this whole thing is too little too late.

THe point is, people died. Terrorists were doing bad things. THey may not be linked in reality (although I believe they are), but our goevernemnt chose to attack Al-Qaeda. This is what happened and we must move on from here. Respect and support our troops and honor those that died. There is not point living in the past, only learning from it.

No one is dissing the troops. I support the troops 100% but NOT the reason we went to war. And being too late is too bad, I shall type a passage out of my history book(very long, hang in there):

Atrocities in Cuba were made to order for the sensational new "yellow journalism." William R. Hearst and Joseph Pulizer, then engaged in a titanic duel for circulation, attempted to outdo each other with screeching headlines and hair-raising "scoops." Lesser competitors zestfully followed suit.
Where atrocity stories did not exist, they were invented. Hearst sent the gifted artist Frederic Remington to Cuba to to draw sketches, and when the latter reported that conditions were not bad enough to warrant hostilities, Hearst is alleged to have replied, "You furnish the pictures and I'll furnish the war." Among other outrages, Remington depicted Spanish customs officials brutally disrobing and searching an American woman. Most readers of Hearst's Journal, their indignation soaring, had no way of knowing that such tasks were performed by female attendants. "Butcher" Weyler was removed in 1897, yet conditions steadily worsened. There was some talk in Spain of granting the restive island a type of self-government, but such a surrender was so bitterly opposed by many Spaniards in Cuba that they engaged in furious riots. Early in 1898 Washington sent the battleship Maine to Cuba, ostensibly for a "friendly visit" but actually to protect and evacuate Americans if a dangerous flare-up should again occur.
This already explosive situation suddenly grew acute on February 9, 1898, when Hearst sensationally headlined a private letter written by the Spanish minister in Washington, Dupuy de Lome. The indiscreet epistle, which had been stolen from the mails, described President McKinley as an ear-to-the-ground politician who lacked good faith. The resulting uproar was so violent that Dupuy de Lome was forced to resign.
[PART I WANTED YOU GUYS TO READ] A tragic climax came a few days later, on February 15, 1898, when the Maine mysteriously blew up in Havana harbor, with a loss of 260 officers and men.Two investigations of the iron coffin were undertaken, one by U.S. naval officers, and the other by Spanish officials, whom the Americans would not trust near the wreck. The Spanish commission stated that the explosion had been internal and presumably accidental; the American commission reported that the blast had been caused by a submarine mine. Washington, not unmindful of popular indignation, spurned Spanish proposals of arbitration.
Various theories have been advanced as to how the Maine was blown up. The least convincing explanation of all is that the Spanish officials in Cuba were guilty, for they were under the American gun and Spain was far away. Not until 1976 did Admiral H.G. Rickover, under U.S. Navy auspices, give what appears to be the final answer. He presented overwhelming evidence that the initial explosion had resulted from spontaneous combustion in one of the coal bunkers adjacent to a powder magazine. Ironically, this is essentailly what the Spanish commision had deduced in 1898.
But Americans in 1898, now war-mad, blindly accepted the least likely explanation. Lashed to fury by the yellow press, they leapt to the conclusion that the Spanish government had been guilty of intolerable treachery...

Not the same thing really, but it is pretty darn familiar. the US being so quick to believe anything bad against their country, whether it happend or not, whether it was the Americans, the enemy, or an accident.

[Firebird]

Boy, there sure is a lot of craziness on this thread!!!!! I never knew that so many of the posters I know and love are sitting at home right now wearing tin-foil beanies.

I, personally, believe that the whole thing was a Vatican plot, in conjunction with Opus Dei and the New World Order. The Vatican will turn on the New World Order folks when they try to implant us with ID chips, which are really the mark of the Beast of Revelation. Leonardo Da Vinci and the framers of the US Constitution TRIED to tell us about this, but we were too stupid to read the OBVIOUS SIGNS. But the important question to ask is this---

Have you given any thought to what will happen to you when the sky is torn apart by the silver saucers?? I sleep in a lead-lined coffin myself, and have enough frozen MRE's to get through the nuclear winter. But I have to go now because I've already said to much. THEY are listening.

[Firebird]

We are at the will of the powers that be......and if you think I'm talking about the US Govt., or Bush or Clinton, no......I'm talking about the real power brokers who really run this country/world. The ultra rich who aren't listed in the 100 richest people poll, or the Forbes 500. I'm talking about the guys who really control the stock market and world trade and commerce.

There is a group of guys, like Mafia bosses, only on a larger scale, who pull all the strings. They are the ones who know what a president will do before he does, and they orchestrate world events knowing what world leaders will do and how they will react to a cetain set of stimuli. If they cause something and a world leader doesn't do as expected, they will alter it so the desired action will be taken, or the guy has to go (John Kennedy, Anwar Sadat, the list goes on and on).

The point is, we little peons are helpless to affect it in any way, and if by some chance, someone gets too close to effecting change that is undesirable to the powers that be, they will disappear, one way or another. It makes for great discussion and cute videos, but it means nothing and it will have NO effect.

I think it's hilarous when people get into a heated debate over whether Republican or Democrat is the correct party or platform. When I see that, I know that they don't get it.....they just don't see the big picture. It doesn't matter who's in office, the same stuff will happen anyway, it may happen differently, but it will happen.

I'm convinced that over 99% of the American public see the world through a paper towel tube, you know, tunnel vision. They don't think they do, but they see a very small picture, but think they see the big picture. They couldn't be more self-misled. Do come join me in that less-than-1%. It's very lonely here.:D

Please tell me that this is a joke.

[Slim-Rob]

Boy, there sure is a lot of craziness on this thread!!!!! I never knew that so many of the posters I know and love are sitting at home right now wearing tin-foil beanies.

I, personally, believe that the whole thing was a Vatican plot, in conjunction with Opus Dei and the New World Order. The Vatican will turn on the New World Order folks when they try to implant us with ID chips, which are really the mark of the Beast of Revelation. Leonardo Da Vinci and the framers of the US Constitution TRIED to tell us about this, but we were too stupid to read the OBVIOUS SIGNS. But the important question to ask is this---

Have you given any thought to what will happen to you when the sky is torn apart by the silver saucers?? I sleep in a lead-lined coffin myself, and have enough frozen MRE's to get through the nuclear winter. But I have to go now because I've already said to much. THEY are listening.

LOL. I already said I don't fully believe that consipiracy theory, but the USS Maine....

[Firebird]

The USS Maine did happen that way. However, the US had its eyes on Cuba for years, and was looking for a way into that war.

Even the Navy wasn't sure what happened to the Maine until the 20th century, when archaelogical dives were conducted. No body was. That was not somebody trying to deliberalty hoax the American people, far from it, Randolph Hearst just rana story to suit his own ends without bothering to fact check.

[Slim-Rob]

The USS Maine did happen that way. However, the US had its eyes on Cuba for years, and was looking for a way into that war.

Even the Navy wasn't sure what happened to the Maine until the 20th century, when archaelogical dives were conducted. No body was. That was not somebody trying to deliberalty hoax the American people, far from it, Randolph Hearst just rana story to suit his own ends without bothering to fact check.
The whole Yellow Journalism thing.....thats what I was trying to get to....people are so quick to jump to conclusions when they don't know for sure what really happend.

[GoOwls]

Please tell me that this is a joke.

My sheep detector just went off.:D

Tell you what, Einstein, I tried to explain my position and all you did is just fire a shot across the bow.

Let's hear how and why you feel that we are in total control of our Government, and all the things that happen around us, and the stock market, and just about anything else. I anxiously await the sage words of someone who is in so much control of the world situation. Please tell me how we, TOO, can control the spinning of the earth like you do.

I can't wait to hear this one.

[drgnbkr]

Conspiracy theories are fun to kick around, but c'mon...this is one of the dopier things I've ever seen..the "fake moon landing" nut jobs had a better story line...So we're suppose to believe that the planes full of passengers were swallowed up by an airplane eating alien at the exact time the tower or Pentagon was hit by a windowless, missle firing, cargo plane..OK..I'm in...If you did'nt realize it, the Indianapolis Colts suited up for the Dragons and beat Katy for the title this past season....that really makes Katy look better, huh?

[stevefoxsc]

wow im suprise our goverment hasn't labled you guy's as threats :eek: good theorys fyi though

[dada]

To end all questions and theories...just file all this under "Things Chuck Norris has done". List it right under Crop circles and microwave ovens.

[Firebird]

My sheep detector just went off.:D

Tell you what, Einstein, I tried to explain my position and all you did is just fire a shot across the bow.

Let's hear how and why you feel that we are in total control of our Government, and all the things that happen around us, and the stock market, and just about anything else. I anxiously await the sage words of someone who is in so much control of the world situation. Please tell me how we, TOO, can control the spinning of the earth like you do.

I can't wait to hear this one.

First of all, I never said that I believed that I am in control of the world situation, or even that WE are in control of our government. You have made a giant jump here. Although, I do tend to accept that by participating in the republican system, the will of the people, generally, gets done-- but there will always be abuses.

However, I do tend not to get sidetracked with wild conspiracy theroies. The world pretty much works like it appears to. Does the government hide things from us? Yes. Do people in positions of power occasionally do things that we wouldn't approve of? Yes, absolutely. Has this administration been too secretive and possibly made back-rooom deals? Probably, and the Republicans are suffering at the polls, and they likely will pay for it in the next election

But that does not mean that there are (as you put it) a group of guys, like mafia bosses, who don't show up on the Forbes list, who secretly DO control everything. Things like the stock market, the world economy, etc... these things are incredibly complex, with many different factors causing fluctuations and changes that the idea that a secret cabal of people ARE controlling it is ludicrous.

And this is what makes things like conspiracy theroies attractive. we don't like the idea of things being beyond our control, or at least human control. So, while a secret cabal of Mafia-like "Illuminati" might be a bit scary, at least it is some kind of order. The truth, that global politics and the economy, and the weather, and terrorism, and the things that happen in every day life, are all intertwined and so unimaginably complex that even specialists don't fully understand them-- is much more frightening.

In my next post I have some questions for you.

[Firebird]

I watched both of the videos and this is my take.

Does it really matter if Usama it, or the Government did it, or Mickey Mouse and the rest of the gang did it? We are at the will of the powers that be......and if you think I'm talking about the US Govt., or Bush or Clinton, no......I'm talking about the real power brokers who really run this country/world. The ultra rich who aren't listed in the 100 richest people poll, or the Forbes 500. I'm talking about the guys who really control the stock market and world trade and commerce.

There is a group of guys, like Mafia bosses, only on a larger scale, who pull all the strings. They are the ones who know what a president will do before he does, and they orchestrate world events knowing what world leaders will do and how they will react to a cetain set of stimuli. If they cause something and a world leader doesn't do as expected, they will alter it so the desired action will be taken, or the guy has to go (John Kennedy, Anwar Sadat, the list goes on and on).

The point is, we little peons are helpless to affect it in any way, and if by some chance, someone gets too close to effecting change that is undesirable to the powers that be, they will disappear, one way or another. It makes for great discussion and cute videos, but it means nothing and it will have NO effect.

I think it's hilarous when people get into a heated debate over whether Republican or Democrat is the correct party or platform. When I see that, I know that they don't get it.....they just don't see the big picture. It doesn't matter who's in office, the same stuff will happen anyway, it may happen differently, but it will happen.

I'm convinced that over 99% of the American public see the world through a paper towel tube, you know, tunnel vision. They don't think they do, but they see a very small picture, but think they see the big picture. They couldn't be more self-misled. Do come join me in that less-than-1%. It's very lonely here.:D

1. How did you, as part of the less-than 1% come by your information? What solid evidence do you have that we do not?

2. If "they" pull all the strings, why do "they" allow themselves to be exposed by a poster on a 5a football forum?

3. How do they orchestrate the world events? It seems to me that is a monumental job. How many people are on staff?

4. Who are the real power brokers, and how did they come by their power in the first place? What real, hard power do they have? Private armies? It seems like it would be hard to keep stuff like that seceret.

5. Why are they always doing terrible, crappy stuff, resulting in the deaths of thousands? Why don't they just arrange things so that stuff runs smoothly? Seems like people would be less likely to ask questions if everything ran well.

6. If they are so smart, and so powerful, why do they allow incriminting evidence to circulate on the internet? They are doing a pretty shoddy job at keeping things secret and hushed up.

I'm ready to join the less than 1%, I just need to see some solid evidence.

[drgnbkr]

1. How did you, as part of the less-than 1% come by your information? What solid evidence do you have that we do not?

2. If "they" pull all the strings, why do "they" allow themselves to be exposed by a poster on a 5a football forum?

3. How do they orchestrate the world events? It seems to me that is a monumental job. How many people are on staff?

4. Who are the real power brokers, and how did they come by their power in the first place? What real, hard power do they have? Private armies? It seems like it would be hard to keep stuff like that seceret.

5. Why are they always doing terrible, crappy stuff, resulting in the deaths of thousands? Why don't they just arrange things so that stuff runs smoothly? Seems like people would be less likely to ask questions if everything ran well.

6. If they are so smart, and so powerful, why do they allow incriminting evidence to circulate on the internet? They are doing a pretty shoddy job at keeping things secret and hushed up.

I'm ready to join the less than 1%, I just need to see some solid evidence.

What he said.....

[Firebird]

For a very good overview debunking most of the 9-11 conspiracy theorists claims, visit the following site. It is an online version of a Popular Mechanics story.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=1&c=y

Stuff like this is a distraction from the real, genuine debate that SHOULD be going on in this country. Instead, we get sidetracked by craziness, usually because the crazier you are, the louder you shout.

[drgnbkr]

For a very good overview debunking most of the 9-11 conspiracy theorists claims, visit the following site. It is an online version of a Popular Mechanics story.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=1&c=y

Stuff like this is a distraction from the real, genuine debate that SHOULD be going on in this country. Instead, we get sidetracked by craziness, usually because the crazier you are, the louder you shout.


Now that is some real stuff..I'm in!

[GoOwls]

1. How did you, as part of the less-than 1% come by your information? What solid evidence do you have that we do not?

2. If "they" pull all the strings, why do "they" allow themselves to be exposed by a poster on a 5a football forum?

3. How do they orchestrate the world events? It seems to me that is a monumental job. How many people are on staff?

4. Who are the real power brokers, and how did they come by their power in the first place? What real, hard power do they have? Private armies? It seems like it would be hard to keep stuff like that seceret.

5. Why are they always doing terrible, crappy stuff, resulting in the deaths of thousands? Why don't they just arrange things so that stuff runs smoothly? Seems like people would be less likely to ask questions if everything ran well.

6. If they are so smart, and so powerful, why do they allow incriminting evidence to circulate on the internet? They are doing a pretty shoddy job at keeping things secret and hushed up.

I'm ready to join the less than 1%, I just need to see some solid evidence.

1. It is my opinion, like your opinion is yours, that based on my view of common sense, that there are powers that control more than we know. For instance, every election in my life, you hear from each side gloom and doom if their party is not elected. The reality is that in my life, certainly not one of priviledge, it really hasn't mattered who was in office, my life hasn't changed appreciably one way or the other no matter who was in office or in control of the Congress or the Senate or the Supreme Court. If each side is so different and the gloom and doom is upon us.......where is all the gloom and doom? Where is all the difference in our lives? It's not there. Most who blame a political party for their problems are just blaming anyone but themselves for their problems, instead of blaming themselves for bad choices and decisions. I just feel that the relative consistency in all facets of life over the 48 years of my life is attributable to something else with more power than the political parties who claim to be so different from each other.

2. Because one guy on the internet who has it figured out won't change a darn thing. He just makes for interesting conversation, and nothing more. You two guys who are posting in opposition to me are proof that I will have no effect. They know that most Americans don't have the mental capacity or the time or the level of concern to persue this train of thought to a point of being a threat.

3. Money is power. Period. How do you think so many legislators live so lavishly on their Government salaries? Do you know, personally any real power brokers on Wall Street? SEE? You really have no clue as to who runs things, you merely assume it's the politicos because tha's what you heard on the news.

4. That was the stupidest question. Behind closed doors, through third and fourth parties. See answer #3.

5. No, sorry, this is the stupidest question. What happens during wars. Things get produced, the economy gets a a boost, the stock market goes up due to the increase in production, the jobless rate goes down. They are in a position to best financially benefit from these situations. Wars, strife, racial situatuions, natural disasters, etc. are all OPPORTUNITIES to make money for people properly situated to do so. Strife makes the world go round.

6. Repetition is your strong suit. This is a rehash of question 2. See answer 2 for my response. See, my keen observations haven't changed you or anyone else one bit. My observations haven't changed a thing or threatened anyone. Me a threat.....not as long as you 99%'ers have your heads in the sand.

[SVite]

I think if our government was behind this attack,they would have done it at night,and not in the light of day.There are way too many witnesses that saw the AA jet flying over them and shaking them,and everthing around them.That plane has been eched in their brains.It was a plane,not a missle!

There is no data of a commercial airline flying into a high rise building.And for this guy to say that jet fuel did`nt bring the towers down,how about the power and weight,and force of the plane itself plunging into the towers that weakened the stucture!Both towers when hit swayed along way when hit.Gravity itself can bring things down when it starts falling!

And why if the pentagon had a missle used on it,even though witnesses say it was a plane (commercial).Then why planes which we have all seen fly into the towers,would`nt they use missles to do the same thing,in the same day!?

There will always be spin doctors out there spinning against,or for whom they like!

[AllenEagle06]

Also, the fuel for Boeing 757s is kept inside of the wings. The video said that the wings of the plane should of detached but weren't there on the ground after it hit the Pentagon. How could the wings not explode when they hit the strongest wall of the Penatgon? The narrator of the video tries to sound like he knows everything about planes, but it's obvious he doesn't.

[drgnbkr]

Also, the fuel for Boeing 757s is kept inside of the wings. The video said that the wings of the plane should of detached but weren't there on the ground after it hit the Pentagon. How could the wings not explode when they hit the strongest wall of the Penatgon? The narrator of the video tries to sound like he knows everything about planes, but it's obvious he doesn't.

Again, it's just some dope trying to make money from the tragedy...if it were'nt the planes hitting the towers and Pentagon..where are they? Stupid...

[Firebird]

1. It is my opinion, like your opinion is yours, that based on my view of common sense, that there are powers that control more than we know. For instance, every election in my life, you hear from each side gloom and doom if their party is not elected. The reality is that in my life, certainly not one of priviledge, it really hasn't mattered who was in office, my life hasn't changed appreciably one way or the other no matter who was in office or in control of the Congress or the Senate or the Supreme Court. If each side is so different and the gloom and doom is upon us.......where is all the gloom and doom? Where is all the difference in our lives? It's not there. Most who blame a political party for their problems are just blaming anyone but themselves for their problems, instead of blaming themselves for bad choices and decisions. I just feel that the relative consistency in all facets of life over the 48 years of my life is attributable to something else with more power than the political parties who claim to be so different from each other.

2. Because one guy on the internet who has it figured out won't change a darn thing. He just makes for interesting conversation, and nothing more. You two guys who are posting in opposition to me are proof that I will have no effect. They know that most Americans don't have the mental capacity or the time or the level of concern to persue this train of thought to a point of being a threat.

3. Money is power. Period. How do you think so many legislators live so lavishly on their Government salaries? Do you know, personally any real power brokers on Wall Street? SEE? You really have no clue as to who runs things, you merely assume it's the politicos because tha's what you heard on the news.

4. That was the stupidest question. Behind closed doors, through third and fourth parties. See answer #3.

5. No, sorry, this is the stupidest question. What happens during wars. Things get produced, the economy gets a a boost, the stock market goes up due to the increase in production, the jobless rate goes down. They are in a position to best financially benefit from these situations. Wars, strife, racial situatuions, natural disasters, etc. are all OPPORTUNITIES to make money for people properly situated to do so. Strife makes the world go round.

6. Repetition is your strong suit. This is a rehash of question 2. See answer 2 for my response. See, my keen observations haven't changed you or anyone else one bit. My observations haven't changed a thing or threatened anyone. Me a threat.....not as long as you 99%'ers have your heads in the sand.

1. Just because YOUR life hasn't changed dramatically, doesn't mean that OTHER people's life doesn't change. Case in point-- The Great Depression and Roosevelt. Millions of people were able to work and bring home a paycheck after FDR was elected. Why? Becasue he was willing to create non-essential jobs and engage in deficet spending, something the Republicans before him did not do. But, you are correct, there really is not too much difference between the Republican and Democratic Parties in the United States. Why? That is a well documented phenomenon that is a hallmark of our republican (as opposed to parlimentary) political system, in which catering to the middle of the road voter is the only way to win an election. There are not enough people in the country who are either radical left wing or radical right wing to effect severe change in the basic policies of our government. It is one of the strengths, and weaknesses, of a republican system. In a country with one of the highest overall standards of living in the world, it would not benefit any aspiring leader to radically shake things up. As evidence of this, look again at the New Deal and the Great Depression. FDR radically changed the basic aims and goals of the federal government, in response to a true crisis situation. Before him, the welfare state, massive bueraucracies, and "big government" projects did not exist, and no one looked at the federal government as an entity that should attempt to solve societal ills. If things in this country got that bad again, then you would be more likely to see radical policy changes. By the way, you have cited no evidence than your own "common sense" for the existence of a super-Mafia, so your answer really is not an answer at all.

2. A person who holds a strong, unshakeable belief that they are much smarter and who believe they are among a select few capable of understanding the "truth" behind everything, or possess secret knowledge unavailable to common people, are exhibiting the primary symptom of narcissistic personality disorder, a disorder listed in the DSM-IV.

3. Where did they get the endless supply of money to make the world go round. The names of majority share holders of major defense firms, construction firms such as Halliburton, etc, etc, are well known. It is also no great secret that lobbyists from such industries wield enourmous power on capitol hill. It is also no great secret that many congressmen have businesses such as law firms that get a tremendous amount of business from lobbyists' sponsors. Unpaltabale? Sure. Illuminati type conspiracy--no, far from it. See Abramovich, Jack. Do I personally know any real Wall Street power brokers? No. I guess that must mean that they don't exist. Economics and the stock market is a convoluted, "dismal science." It is not a mark of super -intelligence to attempt to reduce it to a secret cabal of guys who just pull some strings and everything happens.

4. Where did they get their fortunes in the first place? How did they create billions of dollars of wealth, hide its existence, and then arrange to have it dissappear into the bank accounts of people we haven't even heard of, who then transfer it to the "puppets" without leaving a trace of their activity. What are they building and selling that earns them this money. Following money trails is not too difficult, but it is extremely difficult to make vast sums dissappear without raising eyebrows.

5. Perhaps the most easily refutable point. World War II, combined with the New Deal did help pull the USA out of the gutter. But look at the economic affect of Vietnam-- the economy went in the tank. The economic downturn after Gulf War I cost Bush Sr. his re-election campaign Look at Gulf War II. It certainly hasn't helped the economy at all. Have some people made money off of it? Yeah, sure, but a lot of powerful people have LOST a bunch of money. Wars are not at all good for today's economy, far from it. The most prosperous time in America's history, when CEO and stockholder divedends were soaring, came under Pres. Clinton, who delivere (pretty much) 8 years of peace, aside from minor police type actions. Nothing like Gulf War II and Afghanistan. Perhaps only the super rich defense types are part of the Cabal. The folks at GM and other manufacturing corps., which are going out of business, didn't get in the club.

6. Since my original question was a repetition, see number 2 above.

[Firebird]

But, of course, a good conspiracy theory is always going to be unfalsifiable. If there is no evidence to back it up, the there are always the classic excuses to fall back on--

A. Most of you are too stupid/ blind to understand or grasp the truth anyway (very popular).
B. The lack of solid evidence FOR the theory proves how powerful and sneaky the conspirators are. After all, what good would a conspiracy be if everyone knew about it?
C. Any evidence REFUTING the theory can be explained away as deliberatly placed disinformation, disseminated by the conspirators.

It is a neat little circle, impervious to any real logic or serious questioning.

Can I ever "prove" to conspiracy theorists that there is not some super mafia of secret guys that control the world economy and all political events? No, I can't. But, then again, I can't "prove" that George W. Bush is not a shape-shifiting reptilian lizard king from another dimension. (This is a theory held by one well known internet crank.) The differences between the two theories are ones of degree, not essence.

[CLFalcon2006]

I just read up on David Icke, that guys needs to back away from his crack pipe and breathe some fresh air

[CKE]

looooooooooook all i know is i dont know if 9/11 was fake but i do know...............WE NEVER LANDED ON THE MOON:eek:

[ktCarl]

Thanks for the link. I never knew this info was out there. I do remember a bunch of us guys at work questioning the Pentagon explosion. We kept asking..."Where's the tail section"? And a couple of guys, a few days later, were questioning why there wasn't any ground damage if the plane skipped before impact? This is like the President Kennedy assassination. We'll probably never know. The worst thing in history, that's questionable, happened when that DORK shot John Lennon. He emptied a .38 revolver with Yoko Ono standing next to him and not one shot hit her. Talk about tragedy.

[AllenEagle06]

looooooooooook all i know is i dont know if 9/11 was fake but i do know...............WE NEVER LANDED ON THE MOON:eek:
I know you asked for this before I just forgot about it.

Here is a site that explains why we DID land on the moon.
http://www.thekeyboard.org.uk/Did%20we%20land%20on%20the%20Moon.htm

[Warbird]

Boy, there sure is a lot of craziness on this thread!!!!! I never knew that so many of the posters I know and love are sitting at home right now wearing tin-foil beanies.

I, personally, believe that the whole thing was a Vatican plot, in conjunction with Opus Dei and the New World Order. The Vatican will turn on the New World Order folks when they try to implant us with ID chips, which are really the mark of the Beast of Revelation. Leonardo Da Vinci and the framers of the US Constitution TRIED to tell us about this, but we were too stupid to read the OBVIOUS SIGNS. But the important question to ask is this---

Have you given any thought to what will happen to you when the sky is torn apart by the silver saucers?? I sleep in a lead-lined coffin myself, and have enough frozen MRE's to get through the nuclear winter. But I have to go now because I've already said to much. THEY are listening.

You're onto the Zionist space aliens as well, then? The Illuminati control them, too. They've partnered with that one group from The Legend of Zorro to destroy America by forcing DDT on the population as a whole. They...hold up. I've got to rescramble my net code. There are black choppers hovering outside of my window.
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Let me just say this: conspiracies don't happen often, and when they do, they're always exposed. Take, for instance, Watergate. That got blown pretty wide open, didn't it? And there were relatively few people involved in that one. There'd be thousands involved in 9/11.

Not let me get this straight: In order for what I've been reading to be true:

1. The government would have had to have planned these attacks in accordance with the Illuminati or whoever the heck else is supposedly involved. Might I mention that the terrorists were from a foreign country? Yeah, that'd be easy to coordinate. The bigger a conspiracy is, the harder it is too keep under wraps.
2. Now, like I said, it would be a big conspiracy, costing probably millions of dollars. The government would have to cover up millions in money sent to these terrorists. The foreign governments would have to agree.
3. They'd have to forge or cover up hundreds of cameras, witness accounts, etc. and make sure that "the truth" doesn't leak out.
4. The Afghani terrorists would have to agree that the U.S. armed forces would come in and kick their at-sign dollar-sign dollar-sign. What's the terrorist's motivation here? Are they masochists or something?
5. All the foreign governments, and their contacts with the U.S. would have to keep quiet. Come on.
6. What's Bush's motivation? Popularity? Kickbacks from the oil funds? The Illuminati threatening his life? Give me a break. :rolleyes:

I know what you're thinking: The CIA and FBI helped cover it up! They can subvert Middle Eastern governments into doing stuff! That's how the terrorists did it! Look at Syriana!

Yeah. Excuse me while I fall to the floor doubled up in laughter. The only government these two agencies are remotely capable of subverting is America's own. Hollywood gives these agencies more credit thatn they're due. Tell me how many times you've seen this: The man on the run from the government dials his contact from Dusty Crossroads, Nebraska, but somehow, the spooks at Langley are listening in! He arranges to meet his contact by the newstand at Grand Central Station, but the other guy gets there first and goes to the restroom. Unfortunately, the toilet in stall #3 is packed with explosives! The police cover it up by saying that the toilet was in violation of Al Gore federal cistern regulations.

I think I've made my point.

[ktCarl]

I know conspiracy theories are captivating but.... Did anyone besides me see any misrepresentations in this film?
There JUST might have been enough damage done by the aircrafts impact and explosion to compromise the stability of just one of the Twin Towers floors. Just one floor collapsing can cause enough stress to collapse ensuing floors below creating a 'pancake' effect. The pressure of the floors collapsing can cause shock waves in front of the collapsing debris which would look like explosions in front of it. As we should question the 'official' story of 9/11 we should also scrutinize any conspiracy theory put out there.
This is sooooo fun!

Whaddaya'll think? Do ya'll just accept this conspiracy theory without question?

I still can't draw conclusions on the Pentagon tragedy. What happened to that large passenger plane? It just disappeared? :confused:

[Slim-Rob]

I know conspiracy theories are captivating but.... Did anyone besides me see any misrepresentations in this film?
There JUST might have been enough damage done by the aircrafts impact and explosion to compromise the stability of just one of the Twin Towers floors. Just one floor collapsing can cause enough stress to collapse ensuing floors below creating a 'pancake' effect. The pressure of the floors collapsing can cause shock waves in front of the collapsing debris which would look like explosions in front of it. As we should question the 'official' story of 9/11 we should also scrutinize any conspiracy theory put out there.
This is sooooo fun!

Whaddaya'll think? Do ya'll just accept this conspiracy theory without question?

I still can't draw conclusions on the Pentagon tragedy. What happened to that large passenger plane? It just disappeared? :confused:

Exactly dude. They were talking about the melting point of the alloy being higher than the maximum burning temperature of the jet fuel. Well, 1000 degrees may not melt the steel, but it will soften it a little. And if the planes hit the supports for 1 level, it would cause the building to come down. The interior floors and such had to have started falling faster than the exterior, therefore you would see the "explosions" out ahead of the collapse.

If you have ever taking a shop class, or a welding class, you will know that medal becomes bendable when heated.

As to why the 2nd hit tower collapsed first, the building was hit on the corner. There is going to be a larger amount of structural support in the corner of the building than in the middle.

IDK about the Pentagon deal though.

I'll never forget watching it all unfold on TV when I got home. Pictures of people jumping, the smoke coming down the roads......

[AllenEagle06]

I watched the first part of the video again and I noticed that the narrator kept saying different planes hit the towers. The first he states it was a 767, then somewhere down the line he says that they were 737s, and then says 757. The guy does not know what he's talking about.

[ktCarl]

I watched the first part of the video again and I noticed that the narrator kept saying different planes hit the towers. The first he states it was a 767, then somewhere down the line he says that they were 737s, and then says 757. The guy does not know what he's talking about.

I think he must be a Democrat and wants us to believe that George W. ordered the Twins to come down.

[CKE]

I know you asked for this before I just forgot about it.

Here is a site that explains why we DID land on the moon.
http://www.thekeyboard.org.uk/Did%20we%20land%20on%20the%20Moon.htm

just another opinion to me and here is a site that to prove we didnt land on the moon........:p


http://myspace-855.vo.llnwd.net/00503/55/88/503878855_l.jpg

[CLFalcon2006]

just another opinion to me and here is a site that to prove we didnt land on the moon........:p


http://myspace-855.vo.llnwd.net/00503/55/88/503878855_l.jpg

Oh my God its true then, when never did land on the moon:eek:

[CKE]

Oh my God its true then, when never did land on the moon:eek:

Ha FACT take that AllenEagle06 :p

[Slim-Rob]

Ha FACT take that AllenEagle06 :p

You posted that at 9:11 pm.......

[CKE]

You posted that at 9:11 pm.......

Whoa thats crazy........ i didnt even notice that

[Slim-Rob]

Whoa thats crazy........ i didnt even notice that

I always look at the clock when it says 9:11. IDK why, it scares me some times. I'll look over and its always 9:11.

[LUFPAN]

I work in the defense industry and I can assure you that there were no missiles fired from the airplanes that hit the towers. This whole video is bogus.

[CKE]

I work in the defense industry and I can assure you that there were no missiles fired from the airplanes that hit the towers. This whole video is bogus.
but you agree that we didnt land on the moon right

[Slim-Rob]

but you agree that we didnt land on the moon right

DUDE. We are slicker than Al Qaida (sp?). No one has noticed our deed:D

[LUFPAN]

but you agree that we didnt land on the moon right

Unfortunately my experience in this area leads me to believe that we did indeed land on the moon as well.........sorry to spoil the fun guys.

[CKE]

DUDE. We are slicker than Al Qaida (sp?). No one has noticed our deed:D

lol good job osama

[Slim-Rob]

lol good job osama

lets do this one too:D

[CKE]

Unfortunately my experience in this area leads me to believe that we did indeed land on the moon as well.........sorry to spoil the fun guys.

well just another person that the government has brain washed. im sorry bro one day you will see the light. and that light will be one from the studio where they filmed the moon landing lol:p

[CKE]

lets do this one too:D

lol i knid of already did with the mon landing thing

[Slim-Rob]

well just another person that the government has brain washed. im sorry bro one day you will see the light. and that light will be one from the studio where they filmed the moon landing lol:p

The sun isn't real either

[Firebird]

We're all living in a Matrix ya'll. The reptilian shapeshifting overlords from the 4th dimension keep us in it..... NOTHING is real around us. And I defy you to PROVE I'm wrong.

[Slim-Rob]

We're all living in a Matrix ya'll. The reptilian shapeshifting overlords from the 4th dimension keep us in it..... NOTHING is real around us. And I defy you to PROVE I'm wrong.

The whole world is just a molecule of another object

[LUFPAN]

DUDE. We are slicker than Al Qaida (sp?). No one has noticed our deed:D

You mean nobody noticed that you hi-jacked this thread and turned it into a discussion on moon landings instead of 9/11:eek:

[Slim-Rob]

You mean nobody noticed that you hi-jacked this thread and turned it into a discussion on moon landings instead of 9/11:eek:

I didn't do that. There was another one though....no one knows....not even the FBI...

[LUFPAN]

well just another person that the government has brain washed. im sorry bro one day you will see the light. and that light will be one from the studio where they filmed the moon landing lol:p

I would then be guilty of brainwashing myself. I am the THEM and THEY that you hear all the rumors about:eek: :D :eek: :D

[Slim-Rob]

I would then be guilty of brainwashing myself. I am the THEM and THEY that you hear all the rumors about:eek: :D :eek: :D

so what, you want a cookie?:D

[Firebird]

LUFPAN, what do you think I've been doing on this board? I am a disinformation agent. I'm going to have to report you for blowing your cover.

[LUFPAN]

so what, you want a cookie?:D

Can't have them....I gave them up for Lent:D Oops my bad, wrong thread.:cool:

[Slim-Rob]

Can't have them....I gave them up for Lent:D Oops my bad, wrong thread.:cool:

I should give up hijacking for lent....NOT

[AllenEagle06]

I always look at the clock when it says 9:11. IDK why, it scares me some times. I'll look over and its always 9:11.
I do this a lot too. I have absolutely no idea why this happens but I guess it's just a time/date that easily brings back memories.

[CKE]

I should give up hijacking for lent....NOT

NEVER

[AllenEagle06]

The sun isn't real either
Neither is the moon. They're both Hollywood projections.:rolleyes:

[AllenEagle06]

You mean nobody noticed that you hi-jacked this thread and turned it into a discussion on moon landings instead of 9/11:eek:
He may of hi-jacked the thread but at least he did not fly it into a building.

[CKE]

He may of hi-jacked the thread but at least he did not fly it into a building.

mot yet at least bwaaaaaaaa hahahahahah(evil laugh)