who will win district in 9-5a?

[alnegle07]

who will win district in 9-5a, allen or berkner? or maybe some one else?

whos your pick?

my order of the district
1. allen
2.berkner
3. pesh
4.plano/lakehighlands

[maurader]

1 + 2. Toss up between Plano/Berkner
3. PESH
4. Allen

[Eagle81]

Berkner has proven talent returning on offense. The big question mark will be on defense where I think Berkner only returns two starters. I don't know much about what everyone else is returning but from what I hear everyone will have quiet a few holes to fill.

1. Berkner
2. Allen
3. Pesh
4. Lake Highlands/Plano/Plano West.

[alnegle07]

Berkner has proven talent returning on offense. The big question mark will be on defense where I think Berkner only returns two starters. I don't know much about what everyone else is returning but from what I hear everyone will have quiet a few holes to fill.

1. Berkner
2. Allen
3. Pesh
4. Lake Highlands/Plano/Plano West.


besides allen most of the d is coming back besides the backers and the up coming ones are better then the ones that left, and besides on DE and the up coming ones were better than him too. and the whole offense is returning besides the line but the up coming one is faster and stronger than the last .

[BHS03]

besides allen most of the d is coming back besides the backers and the up coming ones are better then the ones that left, and besides on DE and the up coming ones were better than him too. and the whole offense is returning besides the line but the up coming one is faster and stronger than the last .

Haha, and their dads can beat up the older players' dads, right? Sorry, reading that left me a little :confused: the first time around. Good to hear though, seriously. The ability to replace key players is essential for a good program.

[SLCDRGN]

1. Berkner
2. Plano
3. PESH
4. Allen

This is not what the Allen homers want to here.....sorry!

Allen probably makes an early exit from the playoffs as last year.

[Arazorback]

Lots of anti-Allen sentiment. Last year they had NOTHING coming back and everyone was picking them first. They got second and all of a sudden this year(when they did just as well as last year) they have a lot coming back and they are being picked fourth?

Objectively 1 and 2 could be Berkner or Allen either way. Most Allen "homers" believe the Berkner was in a weak district and would give the nod to Allen, however most of us realize that Berkner should be very strong. The plano schools have been cycling the past few years with PESH being the most consistant playoff team(by far)

Lake Highlands kind of dropped off in the old 9-5a near the end there and I havn't really heard anything to make me think that they are on the way back up. Richardson is not good.

I "hear" they have good education in Southlake, but the mastery of the English language is obviously not on the top of their list.

1.Allen
2.Berkner
3.PESH
4.Plano

[4th & short]

I have just moved back into the area and can't believe that we are talking about Berkner being that good. What has happened over there? Who is the coach and what has he done to turn that piece of poo program around. If I had to pick the district winner I never in a million years would have picked Berkner.

[The Lone Ranger]

1. Berkner
2. Plano
3. PESH
4. Allen
5. Plano West
6. Lake Highlands
7. Wylie
8.Richardson

Berkner is returning a LOT of talent, including both of the Johnson brothers.
Expect Berkner to make a splash in the 5A-II playoffs. Their 2nd-round game with Longview should be one hell of a game (unless Longview chokes). I think that Berkner has what it takes to challenge Lufkin for Region II supremacy.

[maurader]

I, personally, get tired of hearing from the Allen homers about how good Allen is and how they will kill everybody. Even if Allen does win district 9-5A (which I highly doubt), AT BEST, Allen may go two rounds deep in the playoffs and get knocked off. About the only Allen game I can get excited about is their annual *** whoopin' from SLC.

[alnegle07]

I, personally, get tired of hearing from the Allen homers about how good Allen is and how they will kill everybody. Even if Allen does win district 9-5A (which I highly doubt), AT BEST, Allen may go two rounds deep in the playoffs and get knocked off. About the only Allen game I can get excited about is their annual *** whoopin' from SLC.


well this year since we're region 2, we wont meet them till the semis like 03 and this year is saposed to be better than 03 ,possibly the best ever in allen. but we will have to prove it through garland (week 0) then rockwall and rowlett then one of the toughest districts in the state. personaly i think it will come down to the allen vs. berkner game to decide the district champion, i think plano will be ok and make the last playoff spot and pesh will be 3rd. but to get to the semis we will probably have to go through lufkin. although we might not depending if pesh and plano both make the playoffs. if not then we would go d1 and exscape playing lufkin(who allens never beat i dnt think).

[maurader]

Good luck beating Garland. And if you make it past that game, Plano is sure to get you during the first district game. Maybe not 45-7 like last year, but close.

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

1. Berkner
2. Plano
3. PESH
4. Allen
5. Plano West
6. Lake Highlands
7. Wylie
8.Richardson

Berkner is returning a LOT of talent, including both of the Johnson brothers.
Expect Berkner to make a splash in the 5A-II playoffs. Their 2nd-round game with Longview should be one hell of a game (unless Longview chokes). I think that Berkner has what it takes to challenge Lufkin for Region II supremacy.

Look at the District Berkner was in last year. They were a solid team but they played in one of the weakest districts in the state. Allen, East, West, Plano is not Jesuit, RL Turner, Newman Smith. Their district schedule just got 1000% harder in 06. Might want to reevaluate your rankings. I

[allendad]

'07,

Where do you get all of your confidence about '06 being better than '03?

I don't see ONE position that will be better than the '03 player.

Don't EVEN get me started with that #13 receiver. For a starter he is horrible!

Except for Charles O. , EVERY good player graduates this year.

Dick is so average it hurts.

In '03 I felt we could beat evry team we lined up against.

With '06 I'm wondering if we'll be able to score over 20 per game.

AND defense, when will Allen's D-Cord. ever learn how to teach defense????

Allen coaches do NOT teach their kids to tackle. I've heard them say that they do not want to teach them(in middle school) how to stick a hat on someone because they're affraid someone will get hurt.

This was made totally obvious during the carroll game last year. There were kids grabbing at air because they had no idea how to plant their feet and extend into somebody.

Allen's "D" has always been a disapointment to me.

Allendad

[EastSide-StrongSide]

Just put Pesh in last place...I love it when we're the underdog....especially since no one knows anything about the talent we're returning.

[Eagle81]

1. Berkner
2. Plano
3. PESH
4. Allen
5. Plano West
6. Lake Highlands
7. Wylie
8.Richardson

Berkner is returning a LOT of talent, including both of the Johnson brothers.
Expect Berkner to make a splash in the 5A-II playoffs. Their 2nd-round game with Longview should be one hell of a game (unless Longview chokes). I think that Berkner has what it takes to challenge Lufkin for Region II supremacy.

That's a pretty lofty goal, considering Berkner is only returning two starters on defense which believe it or not was the strength of their team last year. That offense had a lot of opportunities created by the defense. It's a good offense and the Johnson brothers are the real deal but that offense is ball control type offense and just can't score at a very rapid pace. I believe they will win this district but that's just me being a homer. I think that because this district will be so competitive Berkner will lose at least one game they shouldn't lose. Bottom line I don't think this district is decided until the last week of the regular season. I'm not sure if you're basing that on yall's game vs Berkner varsity and JV teams. I know both teams handled Jesuit fairly easy last year. Berkners JV just wasn't as good as expected IMO.

[alnegle07]

'07,

Where do you get all of your confidence about '06 being better than '03?

I don't see ONE position that will be better than the '03 player.

Don't EVEN get me started with that #13 receiver. For a starter he is horrible!

Except for Charles O. , EVERY good player graduates this year.

Dick is so average it hurts.

In '03 I felt we could beat evry team we lined up against.

With '06 I'm wondering if we'll be able to score over 20 per game.

AND defense, when will Allen's D-Cord. ever learn how to teach defense????

Allen coaches do NOT teach their kids to tackle. I've heard them say that they do not want to teach them(in middle school) how to stick a hat on someone because they're affraid someone will get hurt.

This was made totally obvious during the carroll game last year. There were kids grabbing at air because they had no idea how to plant their feet and extend into somebody.

Allen's "D" has always been a disapointment to me.

Allendad
wow! obviously you know nothing about this team, this team has been looked at and called the best team to come through allen since middle school. and dick is not average, better than casy and thats saying alot.

and the whole tackleing thing tell that to jeremy griggs and jameson barna and stewy and pretty much the whole d. wow were do you get that we were one of the most physical teams in the district and maybe the area thats the only reason we got as far as we did with only returnin 2 varsity starters.

and that #13 reciever is stephen payne a sophmore and he has grown even more mature.
and #82 has also
and then #1 he has matured and has become alot better then he already was when he actually tried

and not only do we have charles we have matt morrison.
and a faster and stronger line.

not to mention the defense who is returnin 3out of 4 people on the line and the backers are even better than last years.

the dbs are all really good including chima who has been moved to corner and brandon gay who was saposed to start last year but got into trouble durning spring ball. our safteys are travis pickup who is very talented at any position and cody gambil.

sooo maybe you should actually look at the team, there are alot of positions better then 03 not all of them but alot of them.

thanks for the post though

[CKE]

I dont think it really matters anyway.......................

[CKE]

well this year since we're region 2, we wont meet them till the semis like 03 and this year is saposed to be better than 03 ,possibly the best ever in allen. but we will have to prove it through garland (week 0) then rockwall and rowlett then one of the toughest districts in the state. personaly i think it will come down to the allen vs. berkner game to decide the district champion, i think plano will be ok and make the last playoff spot and pesh will be 3rd. but to get to the semis we will probably have to go through lufkin. although we might not depending if pesh and plano both make the playoffs. if not then we would go d1 and exscape playing lufkin(who allens never beat i dnt think).


"one of the toughest districts in the state" :confused:

[dragonsdaddy]

"one of the toughest districts in the state" :confused:
i can think of only 4-5 that are probaly tougher, so yes, one of the toughest. and berkner came within in one break(in the qbs mandible) from playing et for the right to play on tv. they are the real deal. get used to it. as long as ledford keeps working his magic, they'll have something to say about district standings.

[maurader]

wow! obviously you know nothing about this team, this team has been looked at and called the best team to come through allen since middle school. and dick is not average, better than casy and thats saying alot.

and the whole tackleing thing tell that to jeremy griggs and jameson barna and stewy and pretty much the whole d. wow were do you get that we were one of the most physical teams in the district and maybe the area thats the only reason we got as far as we did with only returnin 2 varsity starters.

and that #13 reciever is stephen payne a sophmore and he has grown even more mature.
and #82 has also
and then #1 he has matured and has become alot better then he already was when he actually tried

and not only do we have charles we have matt morrison.
and a faster and stronger line.

not to mention the defense who is returnin 3out of 4 people on the line and the backers are even better than last years.

the dbs are all really good including chima who has been moved to corner and brandon gay who was saposed to start last year but got into trouble durning spring ball. our safteys are travis pickup who is very talented at any position and cody gambil.

sooo maybe you should actually look at the team, there are alot of positions better then 03 not all of them but alot of them.

thanks for the post though

WOW. '07 - Are you on crack? Allendad got it right on.

[Gridiron Gopher]

"one of the toughest districts in the state" :confused:

I think the key was "one of the toughest". I too did a double take at first.

[maurader]

Just put Pesh in last place...I love it when we're the underdog....especially since no one knows anything about the talent we're returning.

The problem with PESH is not the talent, it's the coaching. PESH will never go far if the coaching remains the same, no matter who is playing.

[dragonsdaddy]

The problem with PESH is not the talent, it's the coaching. PESH will never go far if the coaching remains the same, no matter who is playing.
amen to that.

[alnegle07]

WOW. '07 - Are you on crack? Allendad got it right on.


well iguess youll have to wait and see...

[maurader]

I basically gave up on Allen after hearing all the hype about Dick and Charlie O prior to the Allen vs. Plano game in '05, then, the Eagles got obliterated. My opinion of Allen was basically solidified after watching that pathetic performance against Carroll in the playoffs. Sorry, but I have no faith that Allen will be competing for the top spot in district 9-5A. Maybe for the 3rd or fourth spot against the consistently underachieving PESH program.

[alnegle07]

I basically gave up on Allen after hearing all the hype about Dick and Charlie O prior to the Allen vs. Plano game in '05, then, the Eagles got obliterated. My opinion of Allen was basically solidified after watching that pathetic performance against Carroll in the playoffs. Sorry, but I have no faith that Allen will be competing for the top spot in district 9-5A. Maybe for the 3rd or fourth spot against the consistently underachieving PESH program.




well first off, dick was injured in the first quarter by a late hit out of bounce and charles got a deep thigh buise yet he still out did justin jorden with the same amount of carries.

second off last year we only returned 2 players, and wernt even expected to go to the second round of the playoffs, and beat a pretty good team,ceder hill.
but i see were your coming from, all im saying is im for sure this is going to be one of the best if not the best team for allen for a while maybe even ever.

[alnegle07]

and not to make excuses, b/c we did play horrible in that plano game, but losing one of our leaders and putting in a inexperianced backup(who did good for not even practicing at qb the whole year b/c he started at inside reciever)was kind of a deflater to our young and at the time kind of inexperianced team.

[allendad]

'07,

First of all let me get it out in the open that I would love to live in the clouds like the carroll guys on here do. If we(Allen) would continuosly win we could lay down all kinds of smack . . . . . because we win.

I am realistic though. Just because I want Allen to be the toughest, most physical, fastest, etc. doesn't mean that I will post that JUST because I WANT it to be so.

As marauder(sp?) said . . . . after the carroll game I saw a lot of the players for what they were . . . . . average. Sure Driggs was awesome. With a few more inches and pounds he'd be all-universe. He was a great hitter. But he was NOT taught that. That was HIM.

Most all of the players you mentioned are unproven guys from last year. The starters that you mentioned didn't impress me. The D-Line was continually being pushed back AND that O-Line from last year was FAT and SLOW.

I mostly blame the coaching for the short-comings at Allen. The carroll game was a joke because of coaching. Carroll's O was hot, but our(Allen's) O was crippled by junior high play calling, or the lack thereof. Carroll was a better team by far, but the coaches still don't get it AFTER THREE STINKIN' YEARS of getting the same kind of spankin'!

I did not expect diddley from the '05 team and was pleasantly surprised with a 9-3 record.

I travel to every away game and sit there observing what is going on because I love to watch football and I want to support my local team.

To call a cow pie a peacan cluster I won't do.

I know that I "tick-off" the Allen players that get on here because I tell the truth as I see it.

I think that those kids that play and come on here talking smack have lost the battle in the first place. It shows how unprepared they are mentally to EVEN CARE what is being said 'out here' instead of taking care of business in the weight room and/or wind sprints after practice.

Now carroll cracks me up by coming on here and talking about how they are STILL the greatest team in the land. That's all smack, because they lost their whole O Line . . . . . and then a whole LOT. They are not even the same team. I would not be surprised to see them lose a couple BEFORE any playoff action starts. That's not trash, that's just reality. If they don't, my hats off to them.

Let's not stick our chest out TOO far before spring has even happened.

After spring , then lets talk about what we have goin' on.

Believe me, I'm on your team. I'll just remain objective about reality.

Allendad

[maurader]

'07: You are making excuses. A good team has depth and can win even without the starting quarterback. Case in point, HP obliterated Denton Ryan even with Stafford out for a knee injury. Allen's offense is mediocre. On defense, Allen is horrible. Watching Allen play SLC in '05 was just painful. I expect Allen to beat teams like Garland, PESH, Plano, Berkner only if the other team has ALOT of injuries and makes ALOT of mistakes. Otherwise, the '03 team was probably the best Allen will have for a while.

[alnegle07]

'07,

First of all let me get it out in the open that I would love to live in the clouds like the carroll guys on here do. If we(Allen) would continuosly win we could lay down all kinds of smack . . . . . because we win.

I am realistic though. Just because I want Allen to be the toughest, most physical, fastest, etc. doesn't mean that I will post that JUST because I WANT it to be so.

As marauder(sp?) said . . . . after the carroll game I saw a lot of the players for what they were . . . . . average. Sure Driggs was awesome. With a few more inches and pounds he'd be all-universe. He was a great hitter. But he was NOT taught that. That was HIM.

Most all of the players you mentioned are unproven guys from last year. The starters that you mentioned didn't impress me. The D-Line was continually being pushed back AND that O-Line from last year was FAT and SLOW.

I mostly blame the coaching for the short-comings at Allen. The carroll game was a joke because of coaching. Carroll's O was hot, but our(Allen's) O was crippled by junior high play calling, or the lack thereof. Carroll was a better team by far, but the coaches still don't get it AFTER THREE STINKIN' YEARS of getting the same kind of spankin'!

I did not expect diddley from the '05 team and was pleasantly surprised with a 9-3 record.

I travel to every away game and sit there observing what is going on because I love to watch football and I want to support my local team.

To call a cow pie a peacan cluster I won't do.

I know that I "tick-off" the Allen players that get on here because I tell the truth as I see it.

I think that those kids that play and come on here talking smack have lost the battle in the first place. It shows how unprepared they are mentally to EVEN CARE what is being said 'out here' instead of taking care of business in the weight room and/or wind sprints after practice.

Now carroll cracks me up by coming on here and talking about how they are STILL the greatest team in the land. That's all smack, because they lost their whole O Line . . . . . and then a whole LOT. They are not even the same team. I would not be surprised to see them lose a couple BEFORE any playoff action starts. That's not trash, that's just reality. If they don't, my hats off to them.

Let's not stick our chest out TOO far before spring has even happened.

After spring , then lets talk about what we have goin' on.

Believe me, I'm on your team. I'll just remain objective about reality.

Allendad


maybe you should give the coaches who one a state title with garland alittle more credit. and im on the team thats how iknow were going to be good because i practice with them and weve already started the skills part of our off season and this team is closer,and more like ateam then any ive seen and weve been doing skills for a week or 2 , (skills is like regular pad practice w/o the pads) and we already look better then last years team did at the end of spring ball and skills, and better than the year b4. sooo dnt tell me im living in the clouds when i see it first hand everyday. and im not just being bias! oh yah and by the way were adding a little more to our offense. and a little to our d.

"I know that I "tick-off" the Allen players that get on here because I tell the truth as I see it."

well i know the truth buddy and i see it every day!

[maurader]

'07: Last year, I heard the Plano West players like Wes Simon on the boards talking smack about how West was going to win district 8-5A in '05. We all know how that turned out. Save your smack until you have a few quality wins under your belt. At least beat Garland first before you start spouting off that you will be the best team in 9-5A in '06.

[Arazorback]

marauder, I don't know what you have against Allen, but its obvoius that you flat-out don't like them, otherwise you wouldn't press your opinion so hard. Yes, Allen got beat by Carroll and it was aweful, but hey, they beat undefeated Abiliene the next week EVEN WORSE. They peaked during that game and played their second best game against Allen. No one beat them. To use that as a measuring stick is faulty. Plano was very good last year and I saw it coming from a mile away. Their second half of the season the year before was amazing and their 7on7 play was good enough to impress me into thinking that they would win district before the season began.

Alleneagledad-you know nothing about football so I don't even know why you are on here? No position better than the 03 team? Dick is much better than Richardson, especially in leadership capabilities. Never underestimate the power of senior leadership. Last year Allen didn't have a whole lot, but it should be high this year. Allen's O-line is consistantly filled by seniors who step up and play pretty damn good all year around. The recieving corps is not great, but it is going to be better than last year. Its a process and if you can't see the potential to break out this year and make another title push then you don't know highschool football.

Allen moved back a couple of steps when Martin left, because Westerburg is simply not yet the same calibur of coach that Martin was, but it is very possible that this is the year where they make another run, maybe even to the State finals. The matchups are sure to be more favorable than they ever have been in the past considering the extra playoff team from each district. Enough of my tirade, but I can't understand picking a team that has been no less than 2nd in district for the past 5 years as #4 when they have such a good group returning.

[maurader]

marauder, I don't know what you have against Allen, but its obvoius that you flat-out don't like them, otherwise you wouldn't press your opinion so hard. Yes, Allen got beat by Carroll and it was aweful, but hey, they beat undefeated Abiliene the next week EVEN WORSE. They peaked during that game and played their second best game against Allen. No one beat them. To use that as a measuring stick is faulty. Plano was very good last year and I saw it coming from a mile away. Their second half of the season the year before was amazing and their 7on7 play was good enough to impress me into thinking that they would win district before the season began.

Alleneagledad-you know nothing about football so I don't even know why you are on here? No position better than the 03 team? Dick is much better than Richardson, especially in leadership capabilities. Never underestimate the power of senior leadership. Last year Allen didn't have a whole lot, but it should be high this year. Allen's O-line is consistantly filled by seniors who step up and play pretty damn good all year around. The recieving corps is not great, but it is going to be better than last year. Its a process and if you can't see the potential to break out this year and make another title push then you don't know highschool football.

Allen moved back a couple of steps when Martin left, because Westerburg is simply not yet the same calibur of coach that Martin was, but it is very possible that this is the year where they make another run, maybe even to the State finals. The matchups are sure to be more favorable than they ever have been in the past considering the extra playoff team from each district. Enough of my tirade, but I can't understand picking a team that has been no less than 2nd in district for the past 5 years as #4 when they have such a good group returning.

Until Allen beats a team that's worth a damn, I wouldn't put them in the state finals just yet. Allen has only proven in the past two years that it's program can't win a district title and is SLC's biotch. Beat a team that's worth a damn, then you can talk smack.

[CKE]

i can think of only 4-5 that are probaly tougher, so yes, one of the toughest. and berkner came within in one break(in the qbs mandible) from playing et for the right to play on tv. they are the real deal. get used to it. as long as ledford keeps working his magic, they'll have something to say about district standings.


meh if you say so we all have our opinions i guess

[Eagle81]

meh if you say so we all have our opinions i guess

I'm guessing you're suggesting 26-5A. I'm not all that familiar with that district. Outside of Judson. Who else resides in that district? Please pardon my ingnorance about that district. I do know Judson has a great program.

[OWLBAIT]

1. Berkner
2. Plano
3. PESH
4. Allen
5. Plano West
6. Lake Highlands
7. Wylie
8.Richardson

Berkner is returning a LOT of talent, including both of the Johnson brothers.
Expect Berkner to make a splash in the 5A-II playoffs. Their 2nd-round game with Longview should be one hell of a game (unless Longview chokes). I think that Berkner has what it takes to challenge Lufkin for Region II supremacy.
Remember who you play round 1. No longer the Dallas schools that you can walk over. Will be a very tough game whoever you play in round 1.

[grayowl60]

1. Berkner
2. Plano
3. PESH
4. Allen
5. Plano West
6. Lake Highlands
7. Wylie
8.Richardson

Berkner is returning a LOT of talent, including both of the Johnson brothers.
Expect Berkner to make a splash in the 5A-II playoffs. Their 2nd-round game with Longview should be one hell of a game (unless Longview chokes). I think that Berkner has what it takes to challenge Lufkin for Region II supremacy.
Yes, just keep looking past "those Garland schools" lol. Check with Longview and Lufkin about looking to far down the road. Those "Garland schools" have changed some folks plans over the years. Im sure Garland or South will just be happy to be on the same field with the traditional Berkner powerhouse:rolleyes:

[CKE]

I'm guessing you're suggesting 26-5A. I'm not all that familiar with that district. Outside of Judson. Who else resides in that district? Please pardon my ingnorance about that district. I do know Judson has a great program.
no i wasn't talking about any district in particular. and im not putting down 9-5a like i said we all have our opinions. if we all thought the same thing we would not have anything to talk about:D . but in the 26-5 you have

Converse Judson
Converse Wagner
SA Churchill
SA Macarthur
SA Madison
SA Reagan
SA Roosevelt
Smithson Valley

i dont know if it is going to be a tough district this year but it has been in the past.

[alnegle07]

marauder, I don't know what you have against Allen, but its obvoius that you flat-out don't like them, otherwise you wouldn't press your opinion so hard. Yes, Allen got beat by Carroll and it was aweful, but hey, they beat undefeated Abiliene the next week EVEN WORSE. They peaked during that game and played their second best game against Allen. No one beat them. To use that as a measuring stick is faulty. Plano was very good last year and I saw it coming from a mile away. Their second half of the season the year before was amazing and their 7on7 play was good enough to impress me into thinking that they would win district before the season began.

Alleneagledad-you know nothing about football so I don't even know why you are on here? No position better than the 03 team? Dick is much better than Richardson, especially in leadership capabilities. Never underestimate the power of senior leadership. Last year Allen didn't have a whole lot, but it should be high this year. Allen's O-line is consistantly filled by seniors who step up and play pretty damn good all year around. The recieving corps is not great, but it is going to be better than last year. Its a process and if you can't see the potential to break out this year and make another title push then you don't know highschool football.

Allen moved back a couple of steps when Martin left, because Westerburg is simply not yet the same calibur of coach that Martin was, but it is very possible that this is the year where they make another run, maybe even to the State finals. The matchups are sure to be more favorable than they ever have been in the past considering the extra playoff team from each district. Enough of my tirade, but I can't understand picking a team that has been no less than 2nd in district for the past 5 years as #4 when they have such a good group returning.

finally some one on my side thankyou!

[maurader]

'07: Just because he agrees with you doesn't make it the truth. You can't handle the truth because for Allen, the truth hurts. Stick with the band. The Eagle's band is the one thing you can count on to be good.

[alnegle07]

'07: Just because he agrees with you doesn't make it the truth. You can't handle the truth because for Allen, the truth hurts. Stick with the band. The Eagle's band is the one thing you can count on to be good.


hold on a sec, do you even know anything about allen football? b/c idnt think you do considering your from katy. right?:confused:

[maurader]

hold on a sec, do you even know anything about allen football? b/c idnt think you do considering your from katy. right?:confused:

I'm not from Garland but I know that Naaman Forest sux.

[Arazorback]

I'm not from Garland but I know that Naaman Forest sux.

How long has Naaman been bad though? You don't know that. They were actually quite good about three years ago.
Allen might have been SLCs whipping boy the last two years, but guess what? No one else has either.
Your Allen bashing has no meat behind it which is ok, because you are pretty far removed from the metroplex if you are from Katy. You claim what I said was "not the truth" please point out to me what I said that was fallible or don't call me a liar.

[maurader]

How long has Naaman been bad though? You don't know that. They were actually quite good about three years ago.
Allen might have been SLCs whipping boy the last two years, but guess what? No one else has either.
Your Allen bashing has no meat behind it which is ok, because you are pretty far removed from the metroplex if you are from Katy. You claim what I said was "not the truth" please point out to me what I said that was fallible or don't call me a liar.

"...maybe even the state finals":

Like I said before, don't put Allen in the state championship yet. They have to beat a team that's worth a damn before you can say this team has a shot of even winning district 9-5A. I've seen Dick/Charlie O and the rest of the Allen offense in '05- mediocre at best. Defensively, Allen is horrible. Berkner alone is bringing back the Johnsons and a lot of other studs who will decimate Allen; Not to mention what PESH, Plano, and Garland are bringing up in '06. Allen is going to have a hell of a time next year just during pre-district and district play. They will go 8-2 + an early exit from the playoffs AT BEST. I won't believe all the hype until Allen can beat Garland. Don't talk smack until Allen has proven something.

[alnegle07]

"...maybe even the state finals":

Like I said before, don't put Allen in the state championship yet. They have to beat a team that's worth a damn before you can say this team has a shot of even winning district 9-5A. I've seen Dick/Charlie O and the rest of the Allen offense in '05- mediocre at best. Defensively, Allen is horrible. Berkner alone is bringing back the Johnsons and a lot of other studs who will decimate Allen; Not to mention what PESH, Plano, and Garland are bringing up in '06. Allen is going to have a hell of a time next year just during pre-district and district play. They will go 8-2 + an early exit from the playoffs AT BEST. I won't believe all the hype until Allen can beat Garland. Don't talk smack until Allen has proven something.

we have the last 5 years not just any team makes it to the playoffs and gets past the first round every time like us. and how are nathan dick and charles mediocre when they were someof the 2 best juniour players in the metroplex.show me how there mediocre!and last time i check ceder hill was pretty good arlington lamar in 04 was good. pesh was pretty good last year, marcus and flowermound too. if in any other district marcus and flowermound both would have been in the race for the top spot. oh yeah and we should have beaten irving mac but the refs screwed us.(calling back 2 tds in the last seconds of the game)

SOO ITHINK WEVE PROVEN PLENTY YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT!

[maurader]

With a record like that, I guess you can categorize ALLEN as a POWERHOUSE like Judson, Westfield, Katy, Smithson Valley, or SLC. LMAO.

[innocent bystander]

well mr. the '06-'07 team will be the best ever in allen history, you are a jackass. i know first hand from being apart of the best team ever in allen history...the '03-'04 team...that you guys will be a solid team just like allen is every year but bcuz of jackasses like yourself, you wont do anything big. dont insult the allen program and call the '05-'06 team out and say that everyone in your class and under are better than they were, especially not your linebackers!! we'll see how many all-state linebackers you have this year if they really are "better and faster than last year"...jackass. now lets break down your ludacris comments one by one...

the D-line will be better?? you will have the exact same D-Line minus AK so you should get better, only right thing you've said so far

your secondary...never and i repeat NEVER say that Chima is an outstanding DB, the kid is big, fast and strong but couldnt hit the side of a barn, he's not an athlete, just a muscle head. bradon gay, good kid but dont lie and say that he was going to start over Davison or Oshodi, you're a liar who was probably on JV or JV 2 last year and dont tell me that moving your backup QB to SS is a good idea or that hell be better than last years SS, that #3 kid made 100+ tackles and was a solid player, hello DFW Defensive Player of the Week! and cody gabill will be just as good as he was last year, an alright FS who has talent

the linebackers...jameson barna is a legit player but no where near the ability of Griggs or Stewy and your Mike is a kid that hasn't proven or played a lick, Landers i think is his name and your Will is going to be Chris Castro, good athlete, out of position at linebacker though.

the offense is returning, returning a lot of crap also. your o-line is faster than last years but they are not as good, '06 line were athletes that did allow the O to make plays at time, without them there would have been an even worse allen offense. charles is charles, he's a phenominal athlete but nathan needs to make some better reads if you're passing game is going to do anything.

WR's?? ryan moses, choke artist, have fun with another game where he fumbles more than 3 times. dan buckner is garbage, the kid is like 6'3 but can't catch an out route or burn someone deep, nice height, needs work on the basics. nice surprises were stephen payne and the sophomore duo of coby jones and t. ellis who will contribute to largely to your team.

now lets be realistic here, your offensive coordinator is leaving and your head coach doesn't make the best decisions, just look at the SLC games the past 2 years and the shalacking that was put on them. good luck bcuz you'll need it when you step up to the same plano style team with an even faster back than last year and the power house offensive of berkner. the johnson brother's will be their only competition for 9-5A MVP and berkner wins district. the rest as follows:

2. Plano
3. PESH
4. Allen
5. West
6. Lake Highlands
7. Wylie

and allendad, only problem i have with your comments, terry gambill knows what he's talking about, look at last years team, they were supposed to have a power O but it was their D that saved their season

[CKE]

^^^^^^that would have been a awsome post without all the insults and proly getting banned for them

[alnegle07]

well mr. the '06-'07 team will be the best ever in allen history, you are a jackass. i know first hand from being apart of the best team ever in allen history...the '03-'04 team...that you guys will be a solid team just like allen is every year but bcuz of jackasses like yourself, you wont do anything big. dont insult the allen program and call the '05-'06 team out and say that everyone in your class and under are better than they were, especially not your linebackers!! we'll see how many all-state linebackers you have this year if they really are "better and faster than last year"...jackass. now lets break down your ludacris comments one by one...

the D-line will be better?? you will have the exact same D-Line minus AK so you should get better, only right thing you've said so far

your secondary...never and i repeat NEVER say that Chima is an outstanding DB, the kid is big, fast and strong but couldnt hit the side of a barn, he's not an athlete, just a muscle head. bradon gay, good kid but dont lie and say that he was going to start over Davison or Oshodi, you're a liar who was probably on JV or JV 2 last year and dont tell me that moving your backup QB to SS is a good idea or that hell be better than last years SS, that #3 kid made 100+ tackles and was a solid player, hello DFW Defensive Player of the Week! and cody gabill will be just as good as he was last year, an alright FS who has talent

the linebackers...jameson barna is a legit player but no where near the ability of Griggs or Stewy and your Mike is a kid that hasn't proven or played a lick, Landers i think is his name and your Will is going to be Chris Castro, good athlete, out of position at linebacker though.

the offense is returning, returning a lot of crap also. your o-line is faster than last years but they are not as good, '06 line were athletes that did allow the O to make plays at time, without them there would have been an even worse allen offense. charles is charles, he's a phenominal athlete but nathan needs to make some better reads if you're passing game is going to do anything.

WR's?? ryan moses, choke artist, have fun with another game where he fumbles more than 3 times. dan buckner is garbage, the kid is like 6'3 but can't catch an out route or burn someone deep, nice height, needs work on the basics. nice surprises were stephen payne and the sophomore duo of coby jones and t. ellis who will contribute to largely to your team.

now lets be realistic here, your offensive coordinator is leaving and your head coach doesn't make the best decisions, just look at the SLC games the past 2 years and the shalacking that was put on them. good luck bcuz you'll need it when you step up to the same plano style team with an even faster back than last year and the power house offensive of berkner. the johnson brother's will be their only competition for 9-5A MVP and berkner wins district. the rest as follows:

2. Plano
3. PESH
4. Allen
5. West
6. Lake Highlands
7. Wylie

and allendad, only problem i have with your comments, terry gambill knows what he's talking about, look at last years team, they were supposed to have a power O but it was their D that saved their season


:mad: well first of all i was on varsity and had lots of big hitts and some big plays.
the linebackers are more solid and more like linebackers then last year. jeremy griggs was great but he tought jameson barn who is stronger, quicker and almost faster, everything he knows and bo landers the mike is faster stronger and smarter then stewy, castro is not yet proven at linebacker but i expect him to be great, b/c hes wayyy faster then andrew wynn and stronger.

chima has been practicing very well he is now a corner, brandon gay was sapposed to start last year but got into grade trouble during spring ball, he is a more complete corner then davison.

the oline has broken alot of allen lifting records namly hong who just broke the bench and handclean record, last held by wholefacter and smith. and is truely better then last years. the only thing last year had was body weight.

and the recievers coby jones is great and so is t ellis and they will both be key players and buckner is now just as fast as charles and he can catch very well, i dno why you think he cant. stephen payne cant catch very well but makes big plays and ryan moses is very much more mature. andwill be a great player.

who are planos "faster backs" dee parker, son we grew up playing with him and know how to stop him, and i garentee theyre not nearly as strong and complete as justin jorden was.

and b4 westerburg was headcoach he was the offensive coordinator.

and berkner had a cupcake district last year and im going to wait and see if they can prove themselves in this one b4 i say any thing about them.

so try this

1. allen/berkner
2.plano/pesh
3. plano/pesh
4.pwsh/lakehighlands

maybe you should try to argue with some one thats not on the team and doesnt know whats going on!

and finally if i recall i said 06 might be better then 03, but im sure well be better then04 or 05.

and your probably not even a football player. your probably some band nerd...by your assumptions i think i might be right.

[Plano Wildcat Fan]

:mad: well first of all i was on varsity and had lots of big hitts and some big plays.
the linebackers are more solid and more like linebackers then last year. jeremy griggs was great but he tought jameson barn who is stronger, quicker and almost faster, everything he knows and bo landers the mike is faster stronger and smarter then stewy, castro is not yet proven at linebacker but i expect him to be great, b/c hes wayyy faster then andrew wynn and stronger.

chima has been practicing very well he is now a corner, brandon gay was sapposed to start last year but got into grade trouble during spring ball, he is a more complete corner then davison.

the oline has broken alot of allen lifting records namly hong who just broke the bench and handclean record, last held by wholefacter and smith. and is truely better then last years. the only thing last year had was body weight.

and the recievers coby jones is great and so is t ellis and they will both be key players and buckner is now just as fast as charles and he can catch very well, i dno why you think he cant. stephen payne cant catch very well but makes big plays and ryan moses is very much more mature. andwill be a great player.

who are planos "faster backs" dee parker, son we grew up playing with him and know how to stop him, and i garentee theyre not nearly as strong and complete as justin jorden was.

and b4 westerburg was headcoach he was the offensive coordinator.

and berkner had a cupcake district last year and im going to wait and see if they can prove themselves in this one b4 i say any thing about them.

so try this

1. allen/berkner
2.plano/pesh
3. plano/pesh
4.pwsh/lakehighlands

maybe you should try to argue with some one thats not on the team and doesnt know whats going on!

and finally if i recall i said 06 might be better then 03, but im sure well be better then04 or 05.

and your probably not even a football player. your probably some band nerd...by your assumptions i think i might be right.

You really should put all your focus on your school work and stop putting all this time and energy writing scouting reports and Mel Kipering us to death on how great Allen is. In March no one cares how well your junior high and pee wee teams stopped Dee Parker who I guess might be Plano's running back this fall.

Little advice from someone who has a state championship ring. The spring before my senior year I was focused on studying, going through spring ball and having fun. The season takes care of its self and that starts in August.

Chill out!!:)

[AllenEagle06]

This is getting a little out of hand so why don't we just leave it all alone until the season actually starts in nearly 6 months.

[alnegle07]

i had already forgotten this thread until it poped up near the top and ilooked and saw some one insulting me... srry but i dont stand for some one - ON A ONLINE HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL FORUM INSULTS PEOPLE)

and i only get on here 1 or 2 times a week and thats when im bored.

AND I AGREE WELL HAVE TO SEE THE SEASON IS THE ONLY THING THAT WILL SHOW ANY THING

[PaulinPlano]

The problem with PESH is not the talent, it's the coaching. PESH will never go far if the coaching remains the same, no matter who is playing.
Somehow, the EAST defense has been consistently very good the last several years, and I think that goes straight to the point that they do have a lot of talent. Offense has always been the problem at EAST. And yes, it is coaching that has held this team back from being a legitimate contender for a state title. I think this is the 3rd season for this coaching staff under Ringo... they have got to make a statement this year.

[AllenEagles07]

Its true we do have very strong and fast kids, but lots of schools do.
Hong breaking records left and right. We have 7 kids that hangclean over 300.Hong Gary Anderson Sewell Charles O.....
We do have D1 athletes ,but lots of schools do. We have what it takes to win but we will see in the fall.

[dragonsdaddy]

Somehow, the EAST defense has been consistently very good the last several years, and I think that goes straight to the point that they do have a lot of talent. Offense has always been the problem at EAST. And yes, it is coaching that has held this team back from being a legitimate contender for a state title. I think this is the 3rd season for this coaching staff under Ringo... they have got to make a statement this year.
the only statement ever expected out of a ringo led staff is more of the same. this will be his last year, i predict.

[SLCDRGN]

AllenNation......

Shut up and do it. Don't just talk about it. Your team has underachieved for years and has shown no sign of an eventual State Champion. You fools are asking for respect without earning it. As DRGNBKR says "GET A GRIP!"

If you win state next year, I promise I will show you some respect. Right now I have you finishing no better than 4th place. The good thing is that puts you in the playoffs. The rest is up to you. GOOD LUCK!

[maurader]

well mr. the '06-'07 team will be the best ever in allen history, you are a jackass. i know first hand from being apart of the best team ever in allen history...the '03-'04 team...that you guys will be a solid team just like allen is every year but bcuz of jackasses like yourself, you wont do anything big. dont insult the allen program and call the '05-'06 team out and say that everyone in your class and under are better than they were, especially not your linebackers!! we'll see how many all-state linebackers you have this year if they really are "better and faster than last year"...jackass. now lets break down your ludacris comments one by one...

the D-line will be better?? you will have the exact same D-Line minus AK so you should get better, only right thing you've said so far

your secondary...never and i repeat NEVER say that Chima is an outstanding DB, the kid is big, fast and strong but couldnt hit the side of a barn, he's not an athlete, just a muscle head. bradon gay, good kid but dont lie and say that he was going to start over Davison or Oshodi, you're a liar who was probably on JV or JV 2 last year and dont tell me that moving your backup QB to SS is a good idea or that hell be better than last years SS, that #3 kid made 100+ tackles and was a solid player, hello DFW Defensive Player of the Week! and cody gabill will be just as good as he was last year, an alright FS who has talent

the linebackers...jameson barna is a legit player but no where near the ability of Griggs or Stewy and your Mike is a kid that hasn't proven or played a lick, Landers i think is his name and your Will is going to be Chris Castro, good athlete, out of position at linebacker though.

the offense is returning, returning a lot of crap also. your o-line is faster than last years but they are not as good, '06 line were athletes that did allow the O to make plays at time, without them there would have been an even worse allen offense. charles is charles, he's a phenominal athlete but nathan needs to make some better reads if you're passing game is going to do anything.

WR's?? ryan moses, choke artist, have fun with another game where he fumbles more than 3 times. dan buckner is garbage, the kid is like 6'3 but can't catch an out route or burn someone deep, nice height, needs work on the basics. nice surprises were stephen payne and the sophomore duo of coby jones and t. ellis who will contribute to largely to your team.

now lets be realistic here, your offensive coordinator is leaving and your head coach doesn't make the best decisions, just look at the SLC games the past 2 years and the shalacking that was put on them. good luck bcuz you'll need it when you step up to the same plano style team with an even faster back than last year and the power house offensive of berkner. the johnson brother's will be their only competition for 9-5A MVP and berkner wins district. the rest as follows:

2. Plano
3. PESH
4. Allen
5. West
6. Lake Highlands
7. Wylie

and allendad, only problem i have with your comments, terry gambill knows what he's talking about, look at last years team, they were supposed to have a power O but it was their D that saved their season

I agree with your post except for one thing. You put Wylie last. Richardson is in their district and I think Wylie will beat them.

[Planowildcats160]

just for the record...plano's starting running back next year will be derick henderson...not de parker. parker was out third string last year. as far as not being able to replace justin....derick is actually faster than justin in a sprint, and is better at finding interior holes in the line. he doesnt have quite the quickness to the outside, but don't expect the running game to take any steps back. the offensive line will be the best in the district- returning 2 starters (one that was junior all-state) and 2 other players who had significant varsity experience the previous year.

[Gtown2006]

1. Berkner
2. Plano
3. Allen
4. Pesh

With all this big talk from allen the classic may be a classic.
dought it! :D

[AllenEagles07]

well who ever wins will be the best team. no one will lay down and get beat in this district. but i really dont see the plano teams beating allen or berkner as some people predicted in other threads.

[TalkisCheap]

The problem with PESH is not the talent, it's the coaching. PESH will never go far if the coaching remains the same, no matter who is playing.
I am about tired of hearing that about PESH's coaches. It is amazing how a defense that ranked in the top 10 in 5a after palying Euless Trinity and Southlake--not to mention Allen, Plano, and Arlington who all had offenses in 5a's top ten. Give me a break! There's nothing like talking about it--so we'll wait to see what the terrible coahing at PESH will do this coming football season.:mad:

[maurader]

I can tell you what PESH's coaching staff will do this fall. Ringo and company will do the same as always: take some talented players and do nothing with them.

As for Allen beating Plano and Berkner, dream on.

[dragonsdaddy]

the only reason i care at all about the dirth of coaching ability at pesh is because i grew up with several of the parents of the players. it is such a shame that they are stuck with ringo, when their dads enjoyed the likes of john clark and tom kimbrough. i'll predict right now that this will be ringo's last year.

[coogs78]

the only reason i care at all about the dirth of coaching ability at pesh is because i grew up with several of the parents of the players. it is such a shame that they are stuck with ringo, when their dads enjoyed the likes of john clark and tom kimbrough. i'll predict right now that this will be ringo's last year.

My kids went to PESH. Scott Phillips was the real deal. I'm surprised he hasn't made more noise at Odessa.

[maurader]

Didn't he leave Odessa?

[Eagle81]

Yes, just keep looking past "those Garland schools" lol. Check with Longview and Lufkin about looking to far down the road. Those "Garland schools" have changed some folks plans over the years. Im sure Garland or South will just be happy to be on the same field with the traditional Berkner powerhouse:rolleyes:

South use to scrimmage Berkner when Berkner sucked and still lost.

[grayowl60]

South use to scrimmage Berkner when Berkner sucked and still lost.
WOW did you get the T shirt!:rolleyes:

[alnegle07]

I can tell you what PESH's coaching staff will do this fall. Ringo and company will do the same as always: take some talented players and do nothing with them.

As for Allen beating Plano and Berkner, dream on.


what makes you think plano is going to be soo good, good enough to beat a team returning almost all its key players(allen), and plano losing all of theres??

do you know anything about allen and plano?

now berkner will be a tough game, not to say plano wont, all games in this district will be tough except maybe richardson. but we are actually returning more talent then them and have played in a tougher district w/ the players. soo i dnt know why you try to act like there going to blow us out.

i think the 2 toughest games will be against berkner(week6) and PESH(the final week). plano will be tough but we'll end up the winner in the end.ill by your ticket so you can come watch. its our first district game and its at home. at 730

[maurader]

what makes you think plano is going to be soo good, good enough to beat a team returning almost all its key players(allen), and plano losing all of theres??

do you know anything about allen and plano?

now berkner will be a tough game, not to say plano wont, all games in this district will be tough except maybe richardson. but we are actually returning more talent then them and have played in a tougher district w/ the players. soo i dnt know why you try to act like there going to blow us out.

i think the 2 toughest games will be against berkner(week6) and PESH(the final week). plano will be tough but we'll end up the winner in the end.ill by your ticket so you can come watch. its our first district game and its at home. at 730

Did you forget about Garland- probably Allen's first loss of the '06 season. BTW, Don't worry. I will be at the Plano/Allen game this year. Just like last year when the Allen posters said that Allen couldn't possibly lose to the same team that went 0-10 two years prior, Plano will prevail. Katy and Carroll are also graduating a ton of seniors. With your logic, Allen should win state in '06. I wouldn't get your hopes up on that one! It takes more than raw talent to make a team great.

[GoOwls]

Did you forget about Garland- probably Allen's first loss of the '06 season. BTW, Don't worry. I will be at the Plano/Allen game this year. Just like last year when the Allen posters said that Allen couldn't possibly lose to the same team that went 0-10 two years prior, Plano will prevail. Katy and Carroll are also graduating a ton of seniors. With your logic, Allen should win state in '06. I wouldn't get your hopes up on that one! It takes more than raw talent to make a team great.

Yep, you Allen boys better cinch up your chin straps and put an extra knot in your shoulder pads cause the Owls, win or lose, will stick a set of knuckles under your face mask.....figuratively speaking....of course.:D :D

[AllenEagles07]

i cant stop thinking about week zero. and for all this johnson brother hype that i keep hearing, i want to see them demolish someone. i hope we just run every play right down the middle and see how good they really are.

[coogs78]

Didn't he leave Odessa?

You're right. He retired several weeks ago.

[Eagle81]

WOW did you get the T shirt!:rolleyes:
Come on man you're not seriously contending South to be a power:eek:

[rich_pack]

1. Allen
2. Berkner
3. Plano
4.Plano east
5.Wylie
6. Lake Highlands
7. Richardson


I really think Wylie will turn a few heads this next season. Wylie is not a team that will just role over and give someone a game, they are a great team with great tradition. But they lost so many players that they will struggle to find the all around talent by the end of the season. They will be good right about time the new Wylie East school opens and screws everything up.

[grayowl60]

Come on man you're not seriously contending South to be a power:eek:
I think you were talking about SCRMMAGE'S, lol. South DID go three rounds in 05. Garland H.S. has a scrimmage with the Colony in August WOW. Sure hope we "win":confused:

[BHS03]

I think you were talking about SCRMMAGE'S, lol. South DID go three rounds in 05. Garland H.S. has a scrimmage with the Colony in August WOW. Sure hope we "win":confused:

As did Berkner. These scrimmages were in 2001 and 2002 when we went 1-9 and 6-4, respectively. Even then, we had to play a team from Pennsylvania to get our only win in 2001. I feel old now lol

[Eagle81]

As did Berkner. These scrimmages were in 2001 and 2002 when we went 1-9 and 6-4, respectively. Even then, we had to play a team from Pennsylvania to get our only win in 2001. I feel old now lol

I was thinking that was a team from Canada. We played the Pennsylvania team the next year in Florida.

[BHS03]

Gloucester was my sophomore year, 2000.. went 4-6 that year. Thats what happens when you have a passing quarterback running the triple option haha.

[coogs78]

My kids went to PESH. Scott Phillips was the real deal. I'm surprised he hasn't made more noise at Odessa.

Re: DMN SportsDay article - 08:58 AM CDT on Wednesday, May 17, 2006

We could have had Allen Wilson?!!
Let me guess. We were more concerned with throwing the football than we were with winning big football games.
The John Tyler connection would have made it awkward.
Props to Plano Wildcats for keeping their ground game.