Crushing the National Debate

[KT2000]

I'm dropping the hammer.

I've finally decided to break out a little hard data to give a little perspective on the whole "who has the best talent debate" in each of these nationally motivated threads that get posted. After all, it is July 4th weekend and I consider it a patriotic duty to help end the debate.

The main problem among fans when it comes to the ever present "who produces the best talent" debate is that most people have a certain set of parameters they use to answer that question which is usually always going to conflict with someone else's view.

From the Texan and Ohio side of the debate, supporters of those two states might claim to have the best talent and back it up by the way their main universities play, the amount of teams repped in a national poll, or the huge crowd draws each week in the fall. Conversely, states like California and Florida might claim to produce the best quality due to the shear volume of recruits each produces every year.

No national top 25 or recruiting list will ever tell you with any accuracy which state produces the best football talent, because they don't sample the entire population of that state and only encompass an extremely small percentage of a particular state.

The only truly unbiased way to see which states produce the best talent is to break it down as a function of the overall population.

The rankings below are top states in the country (in order) as far as NFL talent (because that's the ultimate dream destination of any kid growing up playing football) produced per capita...This data was taken from a research piece that www.rivals.com ran last year.

1. Mississippi (17.06 players per million)
2. Louisiana (16.51 players per million)
3. South Carolina (12.66 players per million)
4. Hawaii (12.05 players per million)
5. Florida (11.19 players per million)
6. Georgia (10.98 players per million)
7. Alabama (9.81 players per million)
8. Texas (8.31 players per million)
9. Nebraska (7.52 players per million)
10. Iowa (7.49 players per million)
11. Idaho (7.46 players per million)
12. Virginia (6.72 players per million)
13. Washington (6.43 players per million)
14. Oklahoma (6.30 players per million)

The top "metro" area in the United States in the per capita stat, by far, is Washington DC. In fact, DC has a higher per capita rate for NFL players than any other one STATE.

Top major cities...(within limits, burbs not welcome)

1. Miami
2. Houston
3. Dallas
4. LA
5. Detroit
6. San Diego
7. Jacksonville
8. Atlanta
9. New Orleans
10. Pittsburgh

Top cities (as a NFL players per million function, major metros included)

1. Gainesville, Florida
2. Tallahassee, Florida
3. Longview-Marshall, Texas
4. Montgomery, Alabama
5. Lafayette, Louisiana
6. Lakeland, Florida
7. Columbia, South Carolina
8. New Orleans, Louisiana
9. Macon, Georgia
10. Baton Rouge, Louisiana

Not what you were expecting as far as that last list, huh?

If you have a Rivals subscription and want to read the entire analysis...

Click Here (http://rivals100.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=259347)

It is a very well done piece and worth reading all the way.

Needless to say, the Gulf Coast completely dominates as far as top general regional area of the USA goes.

So, where is the best football in the country played? It's strictly a matter of opinion because each state is unique. It's just like asking which state in the US, or country in the world, has the best food. Everyone has a favorite.

Conversely, hard data points to Mississippi and Washington DC metro area as far as quality of players produced. The above are two points completely different arguments (best football versus best players) that often get mixed together creating the fruitless debate we see on TV and on message boards all over the Internet.

[wide-e-wide]

I was stationed in Mississippi and believe me ...there
ain't a damn thing to do in Mississippi but play football.
So that makes sense.
Sidenote: they also lead the nation in racial hangings.......
F' Mississippi.....don't get mad at me.Read your history.

[LoboFan07]

1. Gainesville, Florida
2. Tallahassee, Florida
3. Longview-Marshall, Texas
4. Montgomery, Alabama
5. Lafayette, Louisiana
6. Lakeland, Florida
7. Columbia, South Carolina
8. New Orleans, Louisiana
9. Macon, Georgia
10. Baton Rouge, Louisiana

:D :D :D :D :D

[pack0808]

all that and it is still impossible to tell. pointless to try and predict. i go with texas because i am biased. i would put the best texas team up against the best from any other state almost every single year and i would feel confident in a win.

[businesstron]

Last time I went to Mississippi I saw nothing but confederate flags....but on Louisiana they do pump out a lotta talent, there ain't too much to do there either outside of New Orleans besides play football. I'd put texas up against them any day though.

[RockinL]

Ive seen Wayne County (Mississippi) play a couple of times in the few years.
Trust me guys....this team could go toe to toe with any team here.

You can throw in South Panola and Meridian also.

[Texasfrog]

Its a great thread and shows (per capita) where alot of the top echlon players come from (Mississippi & Louisiana) are both studs States loaded with alot of football talent (per capita).

I still think that the majority of Mississippi is on the level of Texas 3A football. I think they have several teams the level of Jasper, West Orange stark, Cuero, Newton, Gilmer and ect on the Texas 3A & 2A level. But, they have alot of talent scattered around their State on those 3A & 2A level teams.

I would say that true top echlon "national level teams" from Mississippi. They probably have 1 or 2 each year that could compete strongly with anyone in the nation and play with the top Texas #15 teams on the 5A level.

Louisiana has about 4 teams each year that can compete on a "national level"
1. ECA, West Monroe, John Curtis and usually 1 other team pops up each year but as a State Louisiana has alot of Texas 3A and 4A caliber teams.

There is talent (per capita) in some of those other States. But , no other State has the overall level of top depth in its High school programs (Texas 5A level) like Texas.

I still believe that with the true top line "national level HS teams" its more like this:

Texas= 15 national level teams.
Fla. = 5 national level teams.
Cal = 6 national level teams.
La = 4
Miss = 2
Ga. = 4
Ok = 2
Ohio = 5
Mizzou= 2
Ala. = 3
N.C. = 3
S.C = 3
Ark. = 2

and so forth.. but NO STATE has the quality and overall "DEPTH" on the High school level (National Level High school teams) when it comes to Texas 5A football.

[Mr_Clean]

The Lafayette, Louisiana, area jumped out at me as one of the hotbeds of football talent.

Interestingly, that area of the state rarely produces a football champ in any class.

Northside from Lafayette made the 4A finals last year, losing to John Curtis.

St. Thomas More, Breaux Bridge, and St. Martinville have always been good 4A teams and at least one of the three makes it deep in the playoffs every year, but John Curtis has had its way with those teams in the postseason.

5A is weak, although Carencro won state in the not-too-distant past. Lafayette High and Acadiana High are usually good for two rounds in the 5A playoffs.

[RockinL]

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I still think that the majority of Mississippi is on the level of Texas 3A football. I think they have several teams the level of Jasper, West Orange stark, Cuero, Newton, Gilmer and ect on the Texas 3A & 2A level. But, they have alot of talent scattered around their State on those 3A & 2A level teams.



I have to disagree. I would be willing to reasonably bet that Wayne County and South Panola could play with and be successful in any 5A district in Texas, given the same players and coaches they have now.

Ive seen them play Frog. I've played and coached. I know what Im seeing when I watch a team play. Im telling you that in the past 5 or so years, these two team are NOT on a 3A level. They would annialate ANY Texas 3A CHAMPION.

Although Texas has alot of well coached, well disciplined teams, it is not exclusive to Texas.

[KT2000]

Moss Point (Pascagoula or Gulfport?) is another school from Mississippi that could play against any of our top programs in my opinion.

--->For wide e and businesstron...I believe Mississippi has the highest percentage of African-Americans (compared to overall state population) of any state in the United States, so I'm sure it is not just a "cross burning" state (Indiana actually leads that category) now given that information although that's obviously (and very unfortunately) still going on.

Most people would probably guess 90% of Mississippi's talent comes from the southern half of the state (Hattiesburg, Gulfport, Biloxi, Pascagoula), but a surprising amount is also produced in the less populated northern region of the state.

Again, it's important to not confuse the which state plays the best football debate with the which produces the best players argument. Completely different animals.

Disclaimer- Please do not hijack this thread and turn it into a which state has the worst racial tensions flame fest.

[RockinL]

Moss Point (Pascagoula or Gulfport?) is another school from Mississippi that could play against any of our top programs in my opinion.

--->For wide e and businesstron...I believe Mississippi has the highest percentage of African-Americans (compared to overall state population) of any state in the United States, so I'm sure it is not just a "cross burning" state (Indiana actually leads that category) now given that information although that's obviously (and very unfortunately) still going on.

Most people would probably guess 90% of Mississippi's talent comes from the southern half of the state (Hattiesburg, Gulfport, Biloxi, Pascagoula), but a surprising amount is also produced in the less populated northern region of the state.

Again, it's important to not confuse the which state plays the best football debate with the which produces the best players argument. Completely different animals.

Disclaimer- Please do not hijack this thread and turn it into a which state has the worst racial tensions flame fest.


KT...yes Moss Point is another one. It is a town on the coast close to Biloxi, Pascagoula, and Gulfport.

Ive seen alot of football in Ms., and for the most part it is no different than watching a game here in East Texas, including fan support, bands, rivalries, competition, etc...

BTW...I assume Katy will be a tough as usual this year...??

[RidgePride]

Too me it is not which state produces the most college or NFL players.
Some players look better against weaker competition. Some do not look as good against Stiff competition etc.

Same in the NFL There are many undrafted free agents that make a team over a drafted player.

So all of that can be argued round and round.

I personally believe that Texas has the best high school football TEAMS (not necessarily talent).
We place a higher emphasis on high school football than any other State.
Therefore, Our Kids will get the best coaching - Best facilities - Best off season programs -etc That is hard to compete with.

I spoke to a coach from Ohio who now coaches in Texas and he said that Ohio has some good football but does not compare to Texas because it did not have the facilities.

[concha]

Its a great thread and shows (per capita) where alot of the top echlon players come from (Mississippi & Louisiana) are both studs States loaded with alot of football talent (per capita).

I still think that the majority of Mississippi is on the level of Texas 3A football. I think they have several teams the level of Jasper, West Orange stark, Cuero, Newton, Gilmer and ect on the Texas 3A & 2A level. But, they have alot of talent scattered around their State on those 3A & 2A level teams.

I would say that true top echlon "national level teams" from Mississippi. They probably have 1 or 2 each year that could compete strongly with anyone in the nation and play with the top Texas #15 teams on the 5A level.

Louisiana has about 4 teams each year that can compete on a "national level"
1. ECA, West Monroe, John Curtis and usually 1 other team pops up each year but as a State Louisiana has alot of Texas 3A and 4A caliber teams.

There is talent (per capita) in some of those other States. But , no other State has the overall level of top depth in its High school programs (Texas 5A level) like Texas.

I still believe that with the true top line "national level HS teams" its more like this:

Texas= 15 national level teams.
Fla. = 5 national level teams.
Cal = 6 national level teams.
La = 4
Miss = 2
Ga. = 4
Ok = 2
Ohio = 5
Mizzou= 2
Ala. = 3
N.C. = 3
S.C = 3
Ark. = 2

and so forth.. but NO STATE has the quality and overall "DEPTH" on the High school level (National Level High school teams) when it comes to Texas 5A football.

I find it fascinating that someone who derides national polls so vehemently can be so arrogantly confident in assigning numbers to individual states like this. One would assume that the football guru we know as TexasFrog can identify the programs making up these numbers. If so, then why can't national pollsters, many of whom are professional sportswriters and recruiters, take a reasonable shot at identifying top programs/teams themselves?

[Texasfrog]

I find it fascinating that someone who derides national polls so vehemently can be so arrogantly confident in assigning numbers to individual states like this. One would assume that the football guru we know as TexasFrog can identify the programs making up these numbers. If so, then why can't national pollsters, many of whom are professional sportswriters and recruiters, take a reasonable shot at identifying top programs/teams themselves?

Again Conchee.. let me Teach YOU something about the difference is so called HIGH SCHOOL National polls and what I'm saying..

For a poll (USA Today) or any other that fits your fancy to say team "A" or team ""B" from so and so State is the #1 or #3 or #7 or #25 team in the nation is a JOKE. Get it !!!!??????

Some states have tougher STATE Wide competition than many others. Many States (14-0) teams wouldnt mostly likely not be (14-0) in the State like Texas. If you like that "great" if you dont "sorry". But its truly how I feel.

Texas has the best "Depth" or talented quality High school teams of any State. Sorry, that including the mighty "OHIO". (in my opinion). If you think Ohio has the same depth of quality teams as Texas your CRAZY.

Colerain could beat Tyler Lee son.. it still wouldnt change my mind one bit about how I feel the two States matchup with quality depth and talented teams.. The only thing that would change my mind is if Colerain blew out Tyler Lee (dont see that happening) and Colerain went like 5-5 on the year and then Tyler Lee goes (8-2) or (9-1).

You can even look at the Ohio enrollment numbers and see that. Ohio has in the ballpark of about 75 schools that would compete on the TExas 5A level if they were in Texas. Go look at the OHSAA enrollment numbers !!!!

Dont worry, I know in your humble opinion Ohio has 25 National caliber High school teams that could probably not just beat but probably "DOMINATE" any other State Champion team.

I've seen enough football from around the nation (in person) and on (tape) to see the caliber of talented teams and competition level.

My estimate is on true "national level teams" that can say they are probably in the Top 50 High school teams in the nation. I just dont RANKED THEM because ranking High school teams #1, #4, #8 and ect in the nation is a JOKE !!! The best you can honestly do is classify a GROUP of about #50 very solid National Level teams.

In my opinion. Texas would have the most teams in the National Top 50. Just by the share numbers and depth of Texas and the overall emphaises put into High school football in Texas.

I think Texas would have approximately 15 teams in the top 50.

Ohio would probably have approximatly 5 or so teams in that top 50.

Louisiana would probably have abouj 4 teams in that top 50.

Mississippi would probably have about 2 or 3 teams in that top 50.

Florida about 5 teams.

and so forth....

Sorry Conchee.. nothing you can say or do will change my mind about that. I've seen enough football across the Nation to get a somewhat feel of how States would match-up overall with their depth.

[Texasfrog]

I have to disagree. I would be willing to reasonably bet that Wayne County and South Panola could play with and be successful in any 5A district in Texas, given the same players and coaches they have now.

Ive seen them play Frog. I've played and coached. I know what Im seeing when I watch a team play. Im telling you that in the past 5 or so years, these two team are NOT on a 3A level. They would annialate ANY Texas 3A CHAMPION.

Although Texas has alot of well coached, well disciplined teams, it is not exclusive to Texas.

RockinL. not saying that Mississippi has bad football. I've seen Moss Pt. play a few times. I saw a tape of South Panola play.

My point is Mississippi has on most years probably about 2 true "national level teams". They could play with anyone in the nation and hang tough.

Does Miss. have some other teams that could "ball" with several Texas 5A teams and compete. Yes, they do. But, its just a handful.. maybe about 5 or so. No way do they have near the DEPTH of quality teams of Texas.

Plus, the majority of Mississippi is on par with Texas 3A and small 4A football. Their schools dont have the overall size or ect. Many of the large schools in Mississippi top out with about 1,300 students. Those are somewhat small Texas 4A schools.

So, in my opinion. Mississippi on an average year has about:

2 --- National level High school teams.
6 other -- teams that could compete strongly in Texas 5A
Than alot of Texas small 4A and 3A teams..

The overall level of High school competition in Mississippi compared to Texas isnt even in the same category to be honest. But, they do have about 7 or so teams each year that can "ball" with some of Texas best....

[wide-e-wide]

Is it just me?.........but the next time I hear Frog brag
on Texas and say they are the best in the whole wide world...
I am gonna upchuck about 20 bucks worth of Miller Lite...
AND I AM FROM TEXAS!!

[friendswood72]

texas frog, i love texas just as much as the next guy but, for the love of god, stop giving texas a bad name.

[Shoot2thrill]

Is it just me?.........but the next time I hear Frog brag
on Texas and say they are the best in the whole wide world...
I am gonna upchuck about 20 bucks worth of Miller Lite...
AND I AM FROM TEXAS!!

LMAO.... good one wide...too funny! Just do what I do, put 'em on your ignore list. :D :D

[RidgePride]

Is it just me?.........but the next time I hear Frog brag
on Texas and say they are the best in the whole wide world...
I am gonna upchuck about 20 bucks worth of Miller Lite...
AND I AM FROM TEXAS!!


I cant believe your mind is that twisted at this time.

Concha is the one over here Spouting all this Ohio Crap all the time talking about Ohio athletes. I mean who cares how good Ohio track is.

Frog just defends Texas as much as Concha defends Ohio. Frog just has more to brag about. Concha has to concede on a lot of issues, so he seems more modest.


If all this Ohio Crap wasn't spewed, then I am sure Frog would not have to post so much about TX football.


Ignore Concha instead.

[concha]

I cant believe your mind is that twisted at this time.

Concha is the one over here Spouting all this Ohio Crap all the time talking about Ohio athletes. I mean who cares how good Ohio track is.

Frog just defends Texas as much as Concha defends Ohio. Frog just has more to brag about. Concha has to concede on a lot of issues, so he seems more modest.


If all this Ohio Crap wasn't spewed, then I am sure Frog would not have to post so much about TX football.


Ignore Concha instead.

This is one of the most hilariously misguided things I have ever read.

[dragonsdaddy]

done and done.

[Texasfrog]

I cant believe your mind is that twisted at this time.

Concha is the one over here Spouting all this Ohio Crap all the time talking about Ohio athletes. I mean who cares how good Ohio track is.

Frog just defends Texas as much as Concha defends Ohio. Frog just has more to brag about. Concha has to concede on a lot of issues, so he seems more modest.


If all this Ohio Crap wasn't spewed, then I am sure Frog would not have to post so much about TX football.


Ignore Concha instead.

Thanks Ridge.. at least I know there is a few people on here that know how to READ.. a point.

I've probably given more credit to other teams across the nation than anyone on this board. I've even stated it about a 1,000 times that there are other superior elite teams across the nation that could come and play with the best that Texas has and compete down for down.

I just happen to strongly believe that Texas is alot deeper with "talented quality teams" than any other State.

I dont believe in so called "National Polls" on the High school level. They are a joke. The best you can honestly do is group about 50 teams across the nation and label them as the top 50 High school teams in the nation. It just so happens that in those Top National 50, I think Texas would honestly have about 15 of them every year.

If some people want to call me a Texas "HOMER" that great. I can live with that to the good Lord blows the horn for me or I see things change dramatically in Texas with H.S. football. Which I dont see anytime soon. The people of Texas, the High school themselves and sports governing bodies (UIL & Texas Coaches Assoc.) put to much into HIgh School athletics to let it decay. :)

But, thanks at least I see you can read.

PS. The problem with Conchee it it totally "kills him" that someone could possibly think that Ohio isnt the greatest football State in America & that its top 3 or 4 teams every year arent the clear best teams in America. "How dear someone think Colerain, Elder or somewhat else from Ohio could be beat " attitude.... ;)

Oh ya.. I love it that some people think I shouldnt post about Texas football. The last time I looked this website was called 5A Texasfootball.... If some people dont want to read about Texas football I suggest they go check out someother websites huh ???!!!!! :rolleyes:

[RidgePride]

Maybe they should go to the Ohio board - Yappi sports -
Then there would not be so much TX stuff - It would all be OHIO - maybe thats better for them.

[KT2000]

Funny thing is, Concha hasn't said one word about Ohio in this thread because I think he actually understands the nature of my original post. The who plays the best football argument versus the which state produces the best players are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. Yet, some of you have still managed to miss that point even though I've tried to point it out about three (now four) different times I think...and now this thread looks like every other attempt at civilized national conversation on here....not very good.

[concha]

Let's be clear:

Since visiting this site I have NEVER:

1) Stated that Ohio is a superior football state to Texas (in fact, I have stated that Texas is #1)

2) Stated that Ohio's best teams are unbeatable by any others (Last year, I felt Colerain was the best in the land, but I also have stated the the prior 2 or 3 years I would probably have picked texas #1 over Ohio's)

3) Stated that Ohio turns out more talent than Texas (I even disputed the list showing more Ohioans than Texans)

4) Stated that Ohio talent is superior to that of Texas (not a single word like it)

And I challenge anyone to show where I have. Happy hunting. The fact is that TexasFrog is full of crap. Check it out yourselves.


As far as people whining about Ohio track times and the like, I have this to say: WHINE TO TEXASFROG & HIS PALS

All I did was post a fact about one Ohio team that is known for its speed and that was mentioned by someone in a thread. That team, Glenville of Cleveland, is nationally renowned for its speed, including 4x100 teams made up of football players. No slight was aimed at Texas. I made no suggestion that Texas is slow. But TexasFrog & pals decided that they had to start parading around Ohio and Texas track times everywhere.

It was ridiculous. Any positive mention of a non-Texas team is met by an all-out assault by TexaFrog. Even when he claims to be heaping praise on a non-Texas team, it is along the lines of "Oh, they're GOOD, but no better than at least 15 Texas teams." Quite the back-handed compliment. Or, as mentioned, if so-and-so team from [fill in the state] is fast, then we get list upon list of track times for Texas (whether run by football players or not). The guy is a sad joke.

So, RidgePride, if you have to whine like a little girl about hearing about Ohio so much, I'd suggest you try to get TexasFrog to shut up. Without his assinine and ignorant comments like "Ohio teams run 90% of the time" and his track time spastic fit, I'd bet the amount of times you'd hear about Ohio would drop drastically.

Have a great 4th. :D

[KT2000]

Same to you...

Today's a day for uniting America...except Texas and Ohio :D

[businesstron]

I'd put those 4 Louisiana teams on a level with 5a texas teams. I remember my freshman year @ Grambling State when Midland Lee came to west Monroe to play the rebels. I was talking all week about how Bension and Midland were gonna run West Monroe over.....well it rained that day and West Monroe beat the crap outta them 32-3 or something like that. But West Monroe does get beat by East Texas teams from time to time. But what dude said was right it's either Usually West Monroe or ECA or the state champs....in the last four years I think John Curtis got one one year. I don't like ECA though(cause they recruit). I wouldn't mind seeing some texas schools play Louisiana schools a little bit more. Mississippi isn't as bad as it probably used to be but since I went there for that 4th of July(4 years ago). I haven't seen that many Confederate flags since(and I live up in Hill billie arkansas). But Biloxi was still cool most of the people with the flags on their boats and etc were nice... I didn't know Mississippi was that good(as far as talent goes) Do they put out any year high school mag(like DC's Texas Football)?

What makes Texas so good is you really can't say will win the title year after year.. I can tell you in this area ECA or WM will win Louisiana, Springdale will win Arkansas, Jenks or Union will win Ohklahoma and etc.......I'm a peep some Ohio football this year they put some decent athletes out when I recruited in NCAA 2005..

[Texasfrog]

Let's be clear:

Since visiting this site I have NEVER:

1) Stated that Ohio is a superior football state to Texas (in fact, I have stated that Texas is #1)

2) Stated that Ohio's best teams are unbeatable by any others (Last year, I felt Colerain was the best in the land, but I also have stated the the prior 2 or 3 years I would probably have picked texas #1 over Ohio's)

3) Stated that Ohio turns out more talent than Texas (I even disputed the list showing more Ohioans than Texans)

4) Stated that Ohio talent is superior to that of Texas (not a single word like it)

And I challenge anyone to show where I have. Happy hunting. The fact is that TexasFrog is full of crap. Check it out yourselves.


As far as people whining about Ohio track times and the like, I have this to say: WHINE TO TEXASFROG & HIS PALS

All I did was post a fact about one Ohio team that is known for its speed and that was mentioned by someone in a thread. That team, Glenville of Cleveland, is nationally renowned for its speed, including 4x100 teams made up of football players. No slight was aimed at Texas. I made no suggestion that Texas is slow. But TexasFrog & pals decided that they had to start parading around Ohio and Texas track times everywhere.

It was ridiculous. Any positive mention of a non-Texas team is met by an all-out assault by TexaFrog. Even when he claims to be heaping praise on a non-Texas team, it is along the lines of "Oh, they're GOOD, but no better than at least 15 Texas teams." Quite the back-handed compliment. Or, as mentioned, if so-and-so team from [fill in the state] is fast, then we get list upon list of track times for Texas (whether run by football players or not). The guy is a sad joke.

So, RidgePride, if you have to whine like a little girl about hearing about Ohio so much, I'd suggest you try to get TexasFrog to shut up. Without his assinine and ignorant comments like "Ohio teams run 90% of the time" and his track time spastic fit, I'd bet the amount of times you'd hear about Ohio would drop drastically.

Have a great 4th. :D



I know , I know I'm full of crap... Everthing I say is a LIE, distortion or some other just totally "INSANE" false accusation that has totally "NO CREDITABILITY to it."

The other points about Speed, quality of depth teams and ect. Really nothing to argue about SON !!! I wasnt argue anything with you. You want to point out that Glenville has a fast team.. I just pointed out that there is alot of Texas fast teams. Wow huh ...

The only reason you dont argue the points is because you see that is a NO-brainer.

The speed ??? DAng SON.. go back and learn to READ. I even told you Glenville was fast SON. Do I think they were any faster than a handful of Texas teams..? NOPE. So is about 6 to 7 Texas teams that can run step for step with the Glenville Family track football team... just so you know SON, probably the fastest speed team in America each year is Long beach Poly, Ca ( on my God I just posted something positive about a Non-Tx team... I'm such a Texas HOMER..)

But, like I told you SON.. It doesnt really matter because many of the Texas 5A Football Champs over the years arent really known for their elite Track program. But, they do win at Football with alot of (4.6/4.7/4.8) kids. They have a handful (4 to 6) kids that have faster than average speed.

I've attempted to have CIVIL post with you SON but you always go back to the name calling and insults.

It kills you that I think there is about 15 elite Texas so called National level teams in each year that could argue they are amongst the top 50 teams Nationally. That just shake's you to the core of your bones. I know that I'm posting it SON but I bet the majority of Texas posters on here agree with me about that. ;)

So yes.. If you could get the National Top 50 teams each year. Most years there would be approximately 15 Texas teams in those top 50. That's my opinion. I'm NOT SAYING that the Top 15 Texas teams are the top #15 teams in the nation. I've seen Jenks, Ok and Tulsa Union, Ok a few times and think they would of beaten anyone in Texas even on a neutral field in December. ( Oh My God again.. I just posted something positive about two Oklahoma teams... I'm just a Texas HOMER.) :)

But, what I am saying is most average years. If you could get the legit 50 National teams in the Nation. Scattered amongnst those 50 teams would be approximately 15 Texas teams in most average years.

The thread is about National football. I havent made it a Texas vs OHIO. I posted about 15 other States and how I think they match up nationally with those top echlon teams.. (approximately 50 teams). :cool:

You just get upset that I think there is only approximately 5 to 6 Ohio elite National teams among those elite 50 each year. That's what bothers you and causes you to basically go off into a verbal tirade against me. :mad:

I'm not making it a Texas vs Ohio thing.

Tip for ya Conchee.. when you light that firecracker,, back up some !!

Have a Great 4th and say a prayer for some American soldier that is rounding a corner right now and doesnt know what's on the other side...!!!!! Trust me, I know I've been there............

[Texasfrog]

I'd put those 4 Louisiana teams on a level with 5a texas teams. I remember my freshman year @ Grambling State when Midland Lee came to west Monroe to play the rebels. I was talking all week about how Bension and Midland were gonna run West Monroe over.....well it rained that day and West Monroe beat the crap outta them 32-3 or something like that. But West Monroe does get beat by East Texas teams from time to time. But what dude said was right it's either Usually West Monroe or ECA or the state champs....in the last four years I think John Curtis got one one year. I don't like ECA though(cause they recruit). I wouldn't mind seeing some texas schools play Louisiana schools a little bit more. Mississippi isn't as bad as it probably used to be but since I went there for that 4th of July(4 years ago). I haven't seen that many Confederate flags since(and I live up in Hill billie arkansas). But Biloxi was still cool most of the people with the flags on their boats and etc were nice... I didn't know Mississippi was that good(as far as talent goes) Do they put out any year high school mag(like DC's Texas Football)?

What makes Texas so good is you really can't say will win the title year after year.. I can tell you in this area ECA or WM will win Louisiana, Springdale will win Arkansas, Jenks or Union will win Ohklahoma and etc.......I'm a peep some Ohio football this year they put some decent athletes out when I recruited in NCAA 2005..

I agree 100%. Louisiana has approx. 4 teams each year that could argue they belong amongst the LEGIT National 50 teams. (ECA, WM, John Curtis and usually one other Louisiana team are legit each year).

Oklahoma has their two powerhouse National teams (Jenks, Tulsa Union).

Arkansas has (Springdale and the Little Rock Central team).

Alabama has Hoover (only Alabama school with over 2,000 enrollment)...

Heck.. I better stop talking about all these other States and their top football teams because I'm going to be accused of being a Texas "HOMER" again..

[concha]

For everyone who had trouble wading through the waist-deep pool of organic waste that Froggy just spewed, here is rough translation:

"You're right, Concha, I AM full of crap. I can't show where you have argued for or begged for anyone to believe that Ohio is superior in teams, talent, speed or anything else. I can't show where you have belittled Texas either. I make crap up, which is why I decided to accuse you of it even though it was a load of BS. I just feel it is my duty to attack any and all non-Texans who show pride in their home state. That is why I will accuse non-Texan posters of anything I need to to create conflict. I don't have to back it up because I have Texas in my name so enough folks on this site will believe me that I don't have to (luv ya, RidgePride!).

Similarly, I still have no clue if Moeller is the top passing school in Ohio because because I am simply too lazy to bother to check. I am also happy as an ignorant pig in a pile of poop as regards my claim that Ohio teams run 90% of the time. Despite that fact it is an assinine assertion, I'll stick to it because facts, logic and common sense are alien concepts to me and all I really want to do is attack the non-Texan guy anyway."

[Mr_Clean]

Louisiana 5A is up in the air, now that Evangel is in Class A. John Curtis dropped from 4A to 2A. The upshot is that some other teams may get more national recognition.

West Monroe gets my nod as number one in 5A, but barely...there are several teams in one district that have a viable chance to win 5A (West Jefferson, Hahnville, Destrehan, East St. John, John Ehret).

[Texasfrog]

For everyone who had trouble wading through the waist-deep pool of organic waste that Froggy just spewed, here is rough translation:

"You're right, Concha, I AM full of crap. I can't show where you have argued for or begged for anyone to believe that Ohio is superior in teams, talent, speed or anything else. I can't show where you have belittled Texas either. I make crap up, which is why I decided to accuse you of it even though it was a load of BS. I just feel it is my duty to attack any and all non-Texans who show pride in their home state. That is why I will accuse non-Texan posters of anything I need to to create conflict. I don't have to back it up because I have Texas in my name so enough folks on this site will believe me that I don't have to (luv ya, RidgePride!).

Similarly, I still have no clue if Moeller is the top passing school in Ohio because because I am simply too lazy to bother to check. I am also happy as an ignorant pig in a pile of poop as regards my claim that Ohio teams run 90% of the time. Despite that fact it is an assinine assertion, I'll stick to it because facts, logic and common sense are alien concepts to me and all I really want to do is attack the non-Texan guy anyway."

Whatever SON !!! You're so full of it. Again,, nothing but accusation and BS talk.

You're so hung up on the Moeller issue !!!! "I" Mr. Texas boy posted their stats SON. If you say I'm full of crap than prove me wrong SON !!! Put the stats of the #1 passing team in OHIO on here for the World of 5ATexasfootball to see !! Show us the STATS !!!! You say that your "Mr. Ohio football" and you should know.. SHOW US clown..

Moeller passed for 2,800 yds in 11 games. I (Texasfrog) say they were probably the #1 passing team in Ohio. You say, "I'm full of crap." Ok, Mr. Ohio football ... show us the money... Show us... Hmmmmmmm.

Somehow I think I'll be waiting for the so called "CONCHA TRUTH" for along time because the "CONCHA TRUTH" is hard to find. Mr. Concha is only good at calling people names and make accusations. Show me Mr. Ohio football..since you keep saying , " I'm full of crap."

Dont get mad becuase you're second string.. we still Love ya.

[Texasfrog]

Louisiana 5A is up in the air, now that Evangel is in Class A. John Curtis dropped from 4A to 2A. The upshot is that some other teams may get more national recognition.

West Monroe gets my nod as number one in 5A, but barely...there are several teams in one district that have a viable chance to win 5A (West Jefferson, Hahnville, Destrehan, East St. John, John Ehret).

Somehow I think West Monroe will be there when all the wash is cleared out. They always are...

ECA and John Curtis.. Will they are ECA and JC and thay aint going anywhere.

I'm just wondering who that 4th team is going to be. Louisiana always seems to have one sleeper team each year sneak up on people and be in the hunt. The Hahnville team has been pretty solid the last few years.

[Mr_Clean]

I'm just wondering who that 4th team is going to be. Louisiana always seems to have one sleeper team each year sneak up on people and be in the hunt. The Hahnville team has been pretty solid the last few years.

Keep an eye out for Destrehan. They have two seniors - ATH Jai Eugene and DL Chaz Washington - that can choose their college.

The 5A state champ could go into the playoffs at 6-4, if the champ comes out of the River Parishes district. I project Hahnville as fourth or fifth in that district...that shows how salty it is.

[Texasfrog]

Keep an eye out for Destrehan. They have two seniors - ATH Jai Eugene and DL Chaz Washington - that can choose their college.

The 5A state champ could go into the playoffs at 6-4, if the champ comes out of the River Parishes district. I project Hahnville as fourth or fifth in that district...that shows how salty it is.

I thought I heard a rumor about a new Private school in the New Orleans area starting up that was going to put alot into athletics. Do you know anything about that ??

Also... where did that RB for Neville sign ? That kid was a stud and had some skills. Just wondering where he went. I think he was a senior..

[Texasfrog]

Keep an eye out for Destrehan. They have two seniors - ATH Jai Eugene and DL Chaz Washington - that can choose their college.

The 5A state champ could go into the playoffs at 6-4, if the champ comes out of the River Parishes district. I project Hahnville as fourth or fifth in that district...that shows how salty it is.

I've seen a few games over the years from that district. Most were ECA games. That district has some athletes in it. It reminds me of some of the East Texas districts.

[RidgePride]

So, RidgePride, if you have to whine like a little girl about hearing about Ohio so much, I'd suggest you try to get TexasFrog to shut up.



I have never once tried to Demean or insult you. I have stated my opinion - You don't like my opinion - so now you are trying to insult me.

REAL CLASSY - You represent Ohio very well -

And the worst parts is, the Administrator is on your side.

[RockinL]

ok...here is the ALL IMPORTANT question as I see it.....

WHO was the top passing team in Ohio last year??

I could look it up, but I thought someone may know off the top of their head.

[Colerain-Cards]

ok...here is the ALL IMPORTANT question as I see it.....

WHO was the top passing team in Ohio last year??

I could look it up, but I thought someone may know off the top of their head.

NOT MOELLER!

[RockinL]

NOT MOELLER!
Looks like we have a winner! It was Springfield South.

[Mr_Clean]

I've seen a few games over the years from that district. Most were ECA games. That district has some athletes in it. It reminds me of some of the East Texas districts.

Yeah, I'm not sure what's in the water down there, but the area just northwest of New Orleans is primed with players.

There are small schools that turn out some studs, too - Donaldsonville, St. James, Lutcher, and St. Charles Catholic, to name a few.

[NewSherriffInTown]

LOL


Froggy, you are the one who calls everyone son and clown. Where does the name calling come in??


If anything, Concha uses similes...not direct name calling lol.


Personally, I feel like you got beat around again here. Even KT thinks so. Everyone on the site thinks so besides RidgePride, but he is blinded by "Texas" also.


You don't compliment other teams. You say this team is as good as 15 teams from Texas. It's extremely possible you are right, but don't try to act like you are praising everywhere in the country.


AND FOR GODS SAKE, STOP TALKING ABOUT THE FILM YOU'VE SEEN ON ALL THESE TEAMS...STOP, YOU SOUND LIKE GOOD OLE WYATT EARP AND HIS INTERNET VIDEOS. I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THAT EVER AGAIN.


P.S. To the board...


I'm sorry I threated Frogger, I've never had to hit someone in my life, and he wouldn't be worth it as the first. I'm sorry I made a physical threat. I shouldn't let someone that talks like a chump (simile again) get me that wound up.

Wide...since the whole "say something useful" thing, I've liked your posts alot lol. I'm sure you are soooo honored now and can go on living lol.

[RidgePride]

ok...here is the ALL IMPORTANT question as I see it.....

WHO was the top passing team in Ohio last year??

I could look it up, but I thought someone may know off the top of their head.


I guess the all important answer is

WHO CARES!

[RidgePride]

If anything, Concha uses similes...not direct name calling lol.





Well if you really want to put it in perspective - Concha uses Similes -Frog uses metaphors - whats the difference? they're both elements of figurative language. All in the Same Genre.

Both are guilty - Not just Frog -

Using a simile is just as demeaning as using a metaphor.

[concha]

I have never once tried to Demean or insult you. I have stated my opinion - You don't like my opinion - so now you are trying to insult me.

REAL CLASSY - You represent Ohio very well -

And the worst parts is, the Administrator is on your side.

You must be joking. Aren't you the guy who asked for me to be banned for no good reason? Aren't you the guy who was whining about me and doesn't even pay enough attention on here to realize that a huge part of what you complain about is due to TexasFrog (ex. track times)? But he gets a free pass from you because he's a Texas boy, right? :rolleyes:

Maybe you should actually try to READ and UNDERSTAND what the Admins say. They GET IT. They see through Frog's crap and realize who is actually fomenting trouble. Open your eyes.

[concha]

Looks like we have a winner! It was Springfield South.

TexasFlog was only off by about 800 yards about the top passing school in Ohio.

Let's see, our resident football genius says that Ohio teams run 90% of the time (which is news to me but it's from TexasFrog so it must be solid gold). That means that Springfiled South must have run for roughly 27,468 yards this past season.

Not bad. Not bad at all.