2010 Texas Rangers Regular Season Thread

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

The Rangers kicked it off today against Toronto, and it was exciting!

Down 3-0, the Rangers come roaring back in the last 2 innings, and end up defeating Toronto 5-4.

The people who paid to see this got their money's worth!:notworthy

[CCDawgs]

I was screaming at my phone in the shop today. :D But what a great way to kick off the year!!!

[F18mustang]

http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showthread.php?t=61847



:mad:;)

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

I was screaming at my phone in the shop today. :D But what a great way to kick off the year!!!

Oh yes, it was fun to watch.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

http://forums.5atexasfootball.com/showthread.php?t=61847



:mad:;)

Oh damn......my fault!

Well, lets combine them!

[yallerjacket2]

Rangers are in 1st place 1/4 of the way through and I find this floating around on page 11? Am I the only one who's watching this season?

[F18mustang]

Ive been meaning to bring the thread up.

[svhorns]

Not putting in Neftali yesterday bugged me to death. Nippert sucks.

[F18mustang]

Tommy Hunter complete game today in 110 degree heat. Owned the Tampa Bay batters.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Tommy Hunter complete game today in 110 degree heat. Owned the Tampa Bay batters.

I thought this thread would be combined with the other one? Anyway, a big round of applause for Tommy doing work on the Rays lineup.:yes:

[thestud]

I thought this thread would be combined with the other one? Anyway, a big round of applause for Tommy doing work on the Rays lineup.:yes:

I've been waiting for him to get back in the rotation and now it pays off. dude is off the chart talent combined with pure grit, I think he still needs a little while longer to grow but that will only come with time. Think Tom Grieve pointed out that the next 36 games the Rangers play are against teams under .500?? Rangers could do some serious damage in the West if they can take advantage of that schedule.

[cougardude]

I've been waiting for him to get back in the rotation and now it pays off. dude is off the chart talent combined with pure grit, I think he still needs a little while longer to grow but that will only come with time. Think Tom Grieve pointed out that the next 36 games the Rangers play are against teams under .500?? Rangers could do some serious damage in the West if they can take advantage of that schedule.

They really do need to take advantage of their upcoming schedule. Looks like the Angels are getting their ship righted!


Go Rangers!!!

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

I've been waiting for him to get back in the rotation and now it pays off. dude is off the chart talent combined with pure grit, I think he still needs a little while longer to grow but that will only come with time. Think Tom Grieve pointed out that the next 36 games the Rangers play are against teams under .500?? Rangers could do some serious damage in the West if they can take advantage of that schedule.

No doubt! Especially with the Angels looking like they've gotten it together, they really need to take advantage of the next few weeks.

One game at a time!

[AE 8008]

the Angels snuck up from nowhere. they have the most wins in the AL West right now.

its time to dump Harden, maybe we can get a bat. but as soon as Holland is back he's got to go

[yallerjacket2]

Is Josh Hamilton the man or is Josh Hamilton THE MAN?

Pick one. Only two options.

5/6 today. Don't know what that pushes his average to in June, but it is very high. Best player in baseball right now. Yep. I said it.

[F18mustang]

I love this team right now.

[yallerjacket2]

I love this team right now.

Just think...Nellie is coming back for the next series. That's a lotta pop!

[F18mustang]

Just think...Nellie is coming back for the next series. That's a lotta pop!

Hamilton-Boomstick
Guerrero-Boomstick
Cruz-Boomstick
Smoak-Boomstick

Pitch around that, mf'ers.

[yallerjacket2]

Hamilton-Boomstick
Guerrero-Boomstick
Cruz-Boomstick
Smoak-Boomstick

Pitch around that, mf'ers.

Oh man, Smoak! I wrote him off pretty early this year. I'm looking like a dufus now. That kid is good.

[tayb]

I love this team right now.

I have Vlad and Feliz on my fantasy team. Picked up Feliz with the very last pick in the draft and picked up Vlad pretty late as well. Two steals.

Is Josh Hamilton the man or is Josh Hamilton THE MAN?

Pick one. Only two options.

5/6 today. Don't know what that pushes his average to in June, but it is very high. Best player in baseball right now. Yep. I said it.

His June average is .444. Definitely having a June to remember. Not sure I'd label him "man of the month" yet but he is definitely in the running.

[F18mustang]

We just have to get the pitching rotation shored up a little for the stretch. Hopefully we get Oswalt and send a couple of prospects their way so we wont eff up the 40 man roster right now.

Make it happen, Nolan.

[tayb]

We just have to get the pitching rotation shored up a little for the stretch. Hopefully we get Oswalt and send a couple of prospects their way so we wont eff up the 40 man roster right now.

Make it happen, Nolan.

Has Oswalt said he would accept a trade to Texas? I know ESPN published a list of teams he would waive his no trade clause for but I don't remember Texas being one of them. Also, I'm wondering if the Rangers have the financial authority to take on added salary?

And I'm not sure I would give up any highly touted prospects for a year or two of Oswalt even if all the pieces fell in place. Especially not highly touted pitching prospects. The Rangers would be better to sit tight with what they have in my opinion. Hope that Harden fixes his problems and get Holland back in the rotation.

[Dawg Fan]

I think I am actually going to believe that this Rangers team could be the team that goes all the way and doesn't do the late season slide.:yes:

They have crushed me way too many times in the past.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Hamilton-Boomstick
Guerrero-Boomstick
Cruz-Boomstick
Smoak-Boomstick

Pitch around that, mf'ers.

Hopefully, the Rangers can stay healthy. They definitely have the guns to make it interesting, and possibly make a run at it. We'll see what happens!

[thestud]

We just have to get the pitching rotation shored up a little for the stretch. Hopefully we get Oswalt and send a couple of prospects their way so we wont eff up the 40 man roster right now.

Make it happen, Nolan.


Even if the Rangers make the ownership sale to Nolan and Greenie before the 31st I hope to god we don't take on Oswalt. I don't have the figures in front of me but he's due something like $23-25 million. that's insane money for anyone, let alone a rental. If the Whitesox decide to go ahead and have a firesale maybe Nolan can bring in Buehrle, he's got the 2nd highest salary on the team so I would think he would be available at the right price. Ted Lily is rumored to be on the block, he would be a very big veteran addition as well as the fact the guy can still pitch.

[yallerjacket2]

I have Vlad and Feliz on my fantasy team. Picked up Feliz with the very last pick in the draft and picked up Vlad pretty late as well. Two steals.



His June average is .444. Definitely having a June to remember. Not sure I'd label him "man of the month" yet but he is definitely in the running.

.444 seemed kinda low to me, so I looked it up and according to Evan Grant (DMN), he is hitting .474 with 7 hrs and 25 RBI in June.

[chhspantherfan]

No way that they take on a huge salary like Oswalt or Buerle, IMO. There are plenty of farmhands getting ready. With AFraud being the biggest unsecured creditor on the list, I think business savvy will win this one. They have not exactly exhibited that quality over the years, but this is a great time to start.

[tayb]

.444 seemed kinda low to me, so I looked it up and according to Evan Grant (DMN), he is hitting .474 with 7 hrs and 25 RBI in June.

He was hitting .444 before yesterday. After going 5 for 6 it jumped to .474. When I checked yesterday it hadn't been updated yet.

This is where I get those kind of stats. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/gamelog?playerId=4652

[15Adragon]

http://www.bbtia.com/

Here is an excellent blog on the Rangers. If anything, there is too much information to digest. This guy takes stats and analysis to another level.

[yallerjacket2]

Rangers win again. 9 in a row, baby! Hamilton goes 2 for 4 with a homer and rbi. Still a 3.5 game lead as the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim California Angels won also.

[Dawg Fan]

I am starting to believe!!!!!:heli:

[15Adragon]

I am starting to believe!!!!!:heli:
Baseball in Arlington! This team is really fun to watch.

You have to hand it to Wash and staff. To start like they did and have the managers personal problems go public. Wow, this team and coaches/staff/etc are doing a great job. Baseball is a long season, so we have quite a ways to go. :notworthy

[15Adragon]

The Rangers are 42-28 tied for the 2nd best record in baseball 1.5 games behind the moneyball Yankee's. Enjoy it gang they are playing great baseball. I saw Hamilton field a ball in the corner last night with his back to the action, turn and throw a strike to the SS in shallow LF. The SS turned and threw a strike to the C who was in perfect position. The Pirate was out by several steps at home plate. Great stuff. Feliz is leading the AL and maybe MLB in saves... and on and on it goes!

[tayb]

Gotta get Harden straightened out and fix Holland. The Rangers have had starts like this in previous seasons only to fade down the stretch because the starting pitching can't keep it up. I wouldn't recommend nuking the farm system for Cliff Lee but if the pitching staff can't figure out Harden you might need to make a run for him.

Looking at the Rangers team the future is bright. They can win now.

[yallerjacket2]

Gotta get Harden straightened out and fix Holland. The Rangers have had starts like this in previous seasons only to fade down the stretch because the starting pitching can't keep it up. I wouldn't recommend nuking the farm system for Cliff Lee but if the pitching staff can't figure out Harden you might need to make a run for him.

Looking at the Rangers team the future is bright. They can win now.

Would this team have enough pitching to win it all if they had a Cliff Lee or Oswalt? Would it be worth tearing up the farm system a bit for a chance to win it this year? If the pitchers they have can keep pitching like they are, I think they will be fine the way they are. Just never know if that's gonna happen as young as they still are. Hopefully they can get Holland going again and keep Hunter healthy.

Harden just ain't right in the head, it seems to me. I wish they would just tell him to go away.

[AE 8008]

Holland wont be back until after the All Star break.

The interest has been with Smoak, Andrus, Scheppers, and Perez. Those are the big 4 that everyone wants. I'm hoping we keep those guys, Scheppers and Perez are supposed to be legitimate #1 and #1A type pitchers

[F18mustang]

Holland wont be back until after the All Star break.

The interest has been with Smoak, Andrus, Scheppers, and Perez. Those are the big 4 that everyone wants. I'm hoping we keep those guys, Scheppers and Perez are supposed to be legitimate #1 and #1A type pitchers

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff82/TheGairey/noooo1.gif

[tayb]

Would this team have enough pitching to win it all if they had a Cliff Lee or Oswalt? Would it be worth tearing up the farm system a bit for a chance to win it this year? If the pitchers they have can keep pitching like they are, I think they will be fine the way they are. Just never know if that's gonna happen as young as they still are. Hopefully they can get Holland going again and keep Hunter healthy.

Harden just ain't right in the head, it seems to me. I wish they would just tell him to go away.

No. I would not tear up the farm system for a chance to win this year because I don't think trading for Cliff Lee pushes the Rangers over the edge. The pitching staff just isn't there yet in my opinion. The offense will carry this team to the playoffs but in the playoffs you need pitching. The hottest commodity in baseball is pitching prospects and the Rangers have one of the best (if not the best) farm systems in baseball.

I think they will figure out Harden. Mental issues are better than mechanical issues. Holland is just injured, he'll be back, but he is still raw.

[tayb]

Holland wont be back until after the All Star break.

The interest has been with Smoak, Andrus, Scheppers, and Perez. Those are the big 4 that everyone wants. I'm hoping we keep those guys, Scheppers and Perez are supposed to be legitimate #1 and #1A type pitchers

Don't forget Chris Davis is hanging out in the minors as trade fodder. I know he has failed in the bigs twice thus far but it's entirely mental, he has the physical talent.

[15Adragon]

I say leave the top prospects in place. Only make a move if you can get someone on the cheap. The Rangers are setup for a good run. Most of the time these trades aren't worth the cost to your future.

[thestud]

the Rangers could get Fausto Carmona from the Indians at really good price I would imagine....

[15Adragon]

Hamilton is 2 for 2 so far tonight and hitting near .500 for June. Dude is on a tear.

[thestud]

Hamilton is 2 for 2 so far tonight and hitting near .500 for June. Dude is on a tear.


ahem....make that 3 for 3, and he is now on fire.:cool:

[F18mustang]

vladimir effing guerrero!!!!1

[15Adragon]

Make it 11 in a row. :notworthy

[15Adragon]

Hamilton is 3 for 3 tonight, .352 for the season.

In his last 10 games he 29 for 42, .619

:notworthy:notworthy:notworthy

[dragonpants]

The Rangers are 42-28 tied for the 2nd best record in baseball 1.5 games behind the moneyball Yankee's. Enjoy it gang they are playing great baseball. I saw Hamilton field a ball in the corner last night with his back to the action, turn and throw a strike to the SS in shallow LF. The SS turned and threw a strike to the C who was in perfect position. The Pirate was out by several steps at home plate. Great stuff. Feliz is leading the AL and maybe MLB in saves... and on and on it goes!

How fun will it be when they start playing some of the better teams. They are padding their record on just horrible teams. A great run of victories but reality will set it right after the all star break.

[shslb15]

I am starting to think its fair for me to jump on the Rangers band wagon since my astros are in the small category of "laughing stock of MLB"

[15Adragon]

How fun will it be when they start playing some of the better teams. They are padding their record on just horrible teams. A great run of victories but reality will set it right after the all star break.

Yes, but in terms of schedule it may not be until August. July looks a little tougher than June, but August and Sept look brutal.

The Rangers are 20-5 in June. They have been winning in a variety of ways.

2-1 @ CWS
2-1 vs TB
3-1 vs Sea
2-1 @ Mil
3-0 @ Fla
3-0 @ Hou
3-0 vs Pit
2-1 vs Hou

They have taken 8 series in a row. Very impressive when you consider how they started the season and they are in chapter 11 bankruptcy. No 20+ million/yr players with 11 HR's on this roster.

[dragonpants]

Yes, but in terms of schedule it may not be until August. July looks a little tougher than June, but August and Sept look brutal.

The Rangers are 20-5 in June. They have been winning in a variety of ways.

2-1 @ CWS
2-1 vs TB
3-1 vs Sea
2-1 @ Mil
3-0 @ Fla
3-0 @ Hou
3-0 vs Pit
2-1 vs Hou

They have taken 8 series in a row. Very impressive when you consider how they started the season and they are in chapter 11 bankruptcy. No 20+ million/yr players with 11 HR's on this roster.

They are playing major league baseball teams so I am not insinuating they are beating up on high school teams but with the exception of Tampa Bay there is a not a team on that list that is very competitive, The WS maybe but Houston, Pittsburgh, Florida, Milwaukee. You are taking advantage of the hand that they have been dealt. I am just saying that they are going to have a moment of reality pretty soon and they do well during that stretch, I will say they are a good team.

[Dawg Fan]

They are playing major league baseball teams so I am not insinuating they are beating up on high school teams but with the exception of Tampa Bay there is a not a team on that list that is very competitive, The WS maybe but Houston, Pittsburgh, Florida, Milwaukee. You are taking advantage of the hand that they have been dealt. I am just saying that they are going to have a moment of reality pretty soon and they do well during that stretch, I will say they are a good team.

The point is, they are winning the games they are supposed to win and they do not make their own schedule. Confidence is an important part of the game and they will have plenty when they play the tougher teams. What I don't understand is how you would believe that they are not a very good team, they are doing what good teams do no matter what the competition.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Rangers lose what was expected to be a tough one against a team that's just as hot as them, the Angels, by a score of 6-5. They've got 2 more in Los Angeles! Let's see what they do!

[thestud]

Rangers lose what was expected to be a tough one against a team that's just as hot as them, the Angels, by a score of 6-5. They've got 2 more in Los Angeles! Let's see what they do!

Josh Lewin, the king of useless and annoying facts, actually threw one out that was interesting. the Rangers can directly have a huge impact on the AL West race by taking care of business against the Angels, they play them 17 times in the next 87 games, or once every 5 games. Scott Feldman had been a huge let down after last season, and an ERA around 6 after last night. We need to make a move for a pitcher. Fausto Carmona of the Indians is screaming at me right now. Although I would love to have Roy Oswalt, Carmona would be cheaper on both payroll and in terms of what we would have to give up and is probably a more realistic option at this point.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Josh Lewin, the king of useless and annoying facts, actually threw one out that was interesting. the Rangers can directly have a huge impact on the AL West race by taking care of business against the Angels, they play them 17 times in the next 87 games, or once every 5 games. Scott Feldman had been a huge let down after last season, and an ERA around 6 after last night. We need to make a move for a pitcher. Fausto Carmona of the Indians is screaming at me right now. Although I would love to have Roy Oswalt, Carmona would be cheaper on both payroll and in terms of what we would have to give up and is probably a more realistic option at this point.

No doubt! They have to make a move, and they have to do it ASAP. The Angels have been winning almost as much as the Rangers have and, they usually start making a move now.

And for the record, I like Carmona as well!:)

[yallerjacket2]

No doubt! They have to make a move, and they have to do it ASAP. The Angels have been winning almost as much as the Rangers have and, they usually start making a move now.

And for the record, I like Carmona as well!:)

If they can just win one game in this series, they will come back with a 3.5 game lead still. Sure would be nice if they could pad it though. Of course, the Rangers are sending out a pitcher tonight who has never pitched in the Bigs (I don't think), so it could be a rough night.

[thestud]

No doubt! They have to make a move, and they have to do it ASAP. The Angels have been winning almost as much as the Rangers have and, they usually start making a move now.

And for the record, I like Carmona as well!:)

The Angels will definitely be in the market for a legitimate first baseman that swings a big stick so we know they'll get that.

I really want the Rangers to get another pitcher. maybe we can package Harden and Davis for Carmona and then send Matt Treanor and Max Ramirez to the Nats for Pudge :D

Oh and a certain man by the name of Josh Hamilton extended his hitting streak to 22-games and has tied the Rangers record for most hits in a single month.:cool::heli:

[thestud]

If they can just win one game in this series, they will come back with a 3.5 game lead still. Sure would be nice if they could pad it though. Of course, the Rangers are sending out a pitcher tonight who has never pitched in the Bigs (I don't think), so it could be a rough night.

he's got to be better than Nippert. Although with the way Ogando has pitched recently I wouldn't mind seeing him get the start.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

If they can just win one game in this series, they will come back with a 3.5 game lead still. Sure would be nice if they could pad it though. Of course, the Rangers are sending out a pitcher tonight who has never pitched in the Bigs (I don't think), so it could be a rough night.

Well, Vladimir led them to a 6-4 win last night, going 4-4 with 2 homers and one of them being a grand slam.

Lets win the series fellas!:cool:

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

The Angels will definitely be in the market for a legitimate first baseman that swings a big stick so we know they'll get that.

I really want the Rangers to get another pitcher. maybe we can package Harden and Davis for Carmona and then send Matt Treanor and Max Ramirez to the Nats for Pudge :D

Oh and a certain man by the name of Josh Hamilton extended his hitting streak to 22-games and has tied the Rangers record for most hits in a single month.:cool::heli:

Good post and, let it be known that Josh extended his hit streak to 23 games last night.:notworthy

[Fleeman93]

Rangers = Mavericks. Brutal but true.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Rangers = Mavericks. Brutal but true.

As of right now, we can't even say that they've consistently been that good. That Mavs actually have an appearance in the finals. The Rangers, as far as I can remember, couldn't get out of the first round when they did make the postseason, which is something that they haven't done a lot of.

[Fleeman93]

As of right now, we can't even say that they've consistently been that good. That Mavs actually have an appearance in the finals. The Rangers, as far as I can remember, couldn't get out of the first round when they did make the postseason, which is something that they haven't done a lot of.

Ok how about:

Dallas Team = Dallas Team

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Ok how about:

Dallas Team = Dallas Team

Sir, I don't know what to call them. LOL!

[Dawg Fan]

Ok how about:

Dallas Team = Dallas Team


you mean like the 5 time super bowl champion Cowboys or the Stanley cup winning Stars?

[Fleeman93]

Sir, I don't know what to call them. LOL!

That is funny.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

you mean like the 5 time super bowl champion Cowboys or the Stanley cup winning Stars?

Every team has their day when they're riding high, and every team has their day in the dumps. Due to the 'Boys having 5 rings and, at one time, setting a record for the most consecutive winning seasons (20 straight), even with the lack of success the last 15 years, it's not fair to lump them in with the Mavs and Rangers.

[Fleeman93]

you mean like the 5 time super bowl champion Cowboys or the Stanley cup winning Stars?

I was still crappin my pants back then so those are hard to remember.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

That is funny.

As much as I love them, I do take off my blue and green, and red and blue shades while discussing them. It is what it is!

[Fleeman93]

Every team has their day when they're riding high, and every team has their day in the dumps. Due to the 'Boys having 5 rings and, at one time, setting a record for the most consecutive winning seasons (20 straight), even with the lack of success the last 15 years, it's not fair to lump them in with the Mavs and Rangers.

I personally love the Cowgirls' misery over the last 15 years. So close a couple of times but just not close enough if you know what I mean.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

I was still crappin my pants back then so those are hard to remember.

:confused:How old are you?

[Fleeman93]

:confused:how old are you?

14.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

I personally love the Cowgirls' misery over the last 15 years. So close a couple of times but just not close enough if you know what I mean.

I'm guessing that you're referring to 2006 ("The botch") and 2007 ("The Crayton drops")?

You don't like the 'Boys so, of course you're suppose to love it.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

14.

I don't know why but, I don't believe you!:rofl:

[Fleeman93]

I'm guessing that you're referring to 2006 ("The botch") and 2007 ("The Crayton drops")?

You HATE the 'Boys so, of course you're suppose to love it.

fify

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

fify

Well, I stand corrected.

[thestud]

flee GTFO with the other crap, this r rangers thred!



In other news, Bengie Molina is coming over from the Giants. I swear everytime Jon Daniels starts looking like a halfway smart guy he goes and does something to totally prove otherwise. Why in the F*** did you not just keep pudge?? Let's review this

1) Pudge is by far the best catcher in the history of the game, YES he's better than Johhny Bench end of story.
2) Nobody out there can manage a game like Pudge, and his work with young pitchers is well documented, hence why Washington snatched him up to tutor Strasburg.
3) At 38 years old he still has the cannon to gun baserunners down with ease.
4) 13 gold gloves. let me say that again. 13 GOLD GLOVES
5) Career .299 Batting Average, Rangers catchers collectively are hitting something like .217 on the season.
6) Pudge signed for $3 million in Washington. would have been cheaper to keep him than now trading for Molina. We are paying the rest of Molina's salary ($2.5 of $4.5 million) and the money already payed to Chris Ray (roughly $500,000) makes the money issue of bringing Pudge back a moot point.

[yallerjacket2]

flee GTFO with the other crap, this r rangers thred!



In other news, Bengie Molina is coming over from the Giants. I swear everytime Jon Daniels starts looking like a halfway smart guy he goes and does something to totally prove otherwise. Why in the F*** did you not just keep pudge?? Let's review this

1) Pudge is by far the best catcher in the history of the game, YES he's better than Johhny Bench end of story.
2) Nobody out there can manage a game like Pudge, and his work with young pitchers is well documented, hence why Washington snatched him up to tutor Strasburg.
3) At 38 years old he still has the cannon to gun baserunners down with ease.
4) 13 gold gloves. let me say that again. 13 GOLD GLOVES
5) Career .299 Batting Average, Rangers catchers collectively are hitting something like .217 on the season.
6) Pudge signed for $3 million in Washington. would have been cheaper to keep him than now trading for Molina. We are paying the rest of Molina's salary ($2.5 of $4.5 million) and the money already payed to Chris Ray (roughly $500,000) makes the money issue of bringing Pudge back a moot point.

I just don't see the point. Seems like they're doing just fine with the catchers they've got. No, they can't hit, but who cares? Does anybody really think they need more hitting? Geez...every time I think they finally "get it", they go back to getting rid of good pitching in favor of washed up hitting.

[Fleeman93]

flee GTFO with the other crap, this r rangers thred!



In other news, Bengie Molina is coming over from the Giants. I swear everytime Jon Daniels starts looking like a halfway smart guy he goes and does something to totally prove otherwise. Why in the F*** did you not just keep pudge?? Let's review this

1) Pudge is by far the best catcher in the history of the game, YES he's better than Johhny Bench end of story.
2) Nobody out there can manage a game like Pudge, and his work with young pitchers is well documented, hence why Washington snatched him up to tutor Strasburg.
3) At 38 years old he still has the cannon to gun baserunners down with ease.
4) 13 gold gloves. let me say that again. 13 GOLD GLOVES
5) Career .299 Batting Average, Rangers catchers collectively are hitting something like .217 on the season.
6) Pudge signed for $3 million in Washington. would have been cheaper to keep him than now trading for Molina. We are paying the rest of Molina's salary ($2.5 of $4.5 million) and the money already payed to Chris Ray (roughly $500,000) makes the money issue of bringing Pudge back a moot point.

ahsstud GTFO with the other crap, this r rangers thred!


See what I did there?

[thestud]

ahsstud GTFO with the other crap, this r rangers thred!


See what I did there?


uh...wut?

[thestud]

I just don't see the point. Seems like they're doing just fine with the catchers they've got. No, they can't hit, but who cares? Does anybody really think they need more hitting? Geez...every time I think they finally "get it", they go back to getting rid of good pitching in favor of washed up hitting.

they didn't go after him for his hitting, they went after him to have quality backup to Treanor and to provide some veteran leadership to a pitching staff that is not familiar at all with the postseason or for that matter making a run at the postseason at all.

again, why not just keep pudge and then we'd still have Chris Ray?

[F18mustang]

Bring up Tanner Scheppers to replace Ray.

[bowiedawgs01]

Molina is better behind the plate and at the plate than Max Ramirez. Yes, I'd rather have Pudge, but that boat has sailed. They were expecting Salty and Teagarden to step up, but they have fallen flat.

I hope we use Treanor 3 days to Molina's 2. But if Bengie starts hitting like previous years, I won't mind him getting more time. He hit 20 homers and had 80+ rbi last season. He'll have a lot more rbi opportunities with Texas and the park is easier to hit homers in than San Francisco.

I liked Ray, but he had as many walks as strikeouts (16) in only 31 innings. We have a ton of quality arms in AAA that can come up to replace him.

[AE 8008]

Pedro Strop comes back up to join the bullpen

[slorch]

We went to a game about 3 weeks ago, when they were turning red hot. man this team has been fun to watch.

My old lady is in love with Vladi Guerrero( went yard the night we went and she liked his entro music, LOL)

I root for Josh Hamilton( love people that overcome obstacles,) Vladi( good leader and always has a smile. doesn't wear batting gloves either,) and Feliz( pure wicked on the mound.)

[F18mustang]

We went to a game about 3 weeks ago, when they were turning red hot. man this team has been fun to watch.

My old lady is in love with Vladi Guerrero( went yard the night we went and she liked his entro music, LOL)

I root for Josh Hamilton( love people that overcome obstacles,) Vladi( good leader and always has a smile. doesn't wear batting gloves either,) and Feliz( pure wicked on the mound.)

Feliz is a BAMF! I love to watch him pitch.

[thestud]

We went to a game about 3 weeks ago, when they were turning red hot. man this team has been fun to watch.

My old lady is in love with Vladi Guerrero( went yard the night we went and she liked his entro music, LOL)

I root for Josh Hamilton( love people that overcome obstacles,) Vladi( good leader and always has a smile. doesn't wear batting gloves either,) and Feliz( pure wicked on the mound.)

I love Vlad because he is the epitome of baseball to me. Dude plays all out balls to the wall (the reason he can't play the field as much anymore) but you know he's out there giving 110% every day and is going to do everything within his power to help the team win. Also like him because he isn't a pretty boy, he has ll the tools. Hamilton too. I hate to hear people call Manny or Johnny Damon an outfielder. Neither one of those turds could throw a baserunner out at home if their life depended on it.

[thestud]

Feliz is a BAMF! I love to watch him pitch.

I like him because he can put in a half can of dip and still hit the strike zone. If I had that much nicotine in my system I wouldn't be able to see straight

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

There's a pitcher's dual going on in Los Angeles between Jared Weaver and CJ Wilson. Weaver leads 2-0 in the top of the 8th but, the Rangers do have a man on first and a man on third with 1 out.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Make that 2-1! Kinsler gets an RBI single, with 2 men still on base. Guess who's up to bat now? VLADIMIR! Lets see what happens!

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

And, we have drama! 2nd baseman doesn't have his foot on the bag while trying to turn a double play!

According to the replay, the ump made the correct call!

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

With 2 outs, the Angels will purposely walk Hamilton to load the bases. Nelson Cruz coming up!

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

(sighs)Nelly pops out to end the inning!

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Well...the Angels pulled it out tonight, 2-1, and take 2 of 3 in the series.

These 2 will face each other 14 more times this season. It's beginning of July and, there's still a lot of baseball left to be played.

One game at a time!

[thestud]

(sighs)Nelly pops out to end the inning!

If Michael steals home on the passed ball we're talking extending the inning and maybe winning, at the very least extra innings. can't be scared to take a chance when you're trying to make the playoffs for the first time in a billion years.

[yallerjacket2]

If Michael steals home on the passed ball we're talking extending the inning and maybe winning, at the very least extra innings. can't be scared to take a chance when you're trying to make the playoffs for the first time in a billion years.

I agree. When I saw the ball sail over the catcher's head, I thought "Tie ball game!". Alas, I didn't see anybody come across the plate. Just seems to me if the ball gets past the catcher, you take off, no matter what, in that situation.

[thestud]

I agree. When I saw the ball sail over the catcher's head, I thought "Tie ball game!". Alas, I didn't see anybody come across the plate. Just seems to me if the ball gets past the catcher, you take off, no matter what, in that situation.

Exactly. was the risk of being thrown out worth the reward of tying the ball game? without a doubt. I would expect that out of a rookie, not a seasoned vet like young.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

If Michael steals home on the passed ball we're talking extending the inning and maybe winning, at the very least extra innings. can't be scared to take a chance when you're trying to make the playoffs for the first time in a billion years.

I too, was shocked when I didn't see Michael take off. That "MIGHT" have made a difference in the game.

[chhspantherfan]

Well...the Angels pulled it out tonight, 2-1, and take 2 of 3 in the series.

These 2 will face each other 14 more times this season. It's beginning of July and, there's still a lot of baseball left to be played.

One game at a time!


if they can keep beating the teams that they are supposed to, then the games with the Angels down the stretch will be great.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

if they can keep beating the teams that they are supposed to, then the games with the Angels down the stretch will be great.

Agreed! We gotta give it up to the pitching as well!

I know that last night was atleast the 4th time that CJ has pitched well enough to win, but the bats didn't show up.

[15Adragon]

First hand report from the game last night...

The good:

- Hamilton's HR to deep RC. The sound at impact let you know how hard he hit that one. That guy is unreal.
- Vlady is a lot of fun to watch.
- watching the pitch speed for Feliz
- temp was 76 to 73 during the game

The bad:

- 2:30 rain delay in July????
- the loss
- The small amount of ice cream in the sundae

The ugly:

- Andrus picked off of second
- Young's AB with a runner on 3rd and 1 out
- Frankie's botched attempt to cover 1st for DP

All in all it was a fun to watch. The Rangers made a lot of mental mistakes. Maybe a little of that could be attributed to the early morning return from a third world city (LA).

[thestud]

If Nolan and Greenberg don't end up buying the Rangers, I really think it's back to the cellar we go. I pray they overcome all this legal crap, but it's not looking good.

"It's a good possibility that it might not happen," Ryan said about owning the team. "The way they've invited Crane back into the picture, they seem to be more concerned with him than anyone else."




http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/mlb/news/story?id=5365336

[15Adragon]

If Nolan and Greenberg don't end up buying the Rangers, I really think it's back to the cellar we go. I pray they overcome all this legal crap, but it's not looking good.




http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/mlb/news/story?id=5365336

Don't give up hope on this thing yet. Like everything in MLB it is probably rigged. ;):rolleyes:

Seriously, the Rangers are stocked with prospects and as long as they don't make a bunch of short sighted trades the future will be bright.

[TexasRed6x]

Rangers acquire P Cliff Lee from Mariners

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/mlb/news/story?id=5367615

[Dawg Fan]

:heli::yes::yes::notworthy

[thestud]

Don't give up hope on this thing yet. Like everything in MLB it is probably rigged. ;):rolleyes:

Seriously, the Rangers are stocked with prospects and as long as they don't make a bunch of short sighted trades the future will be bright.


yeah but notice how well the Rangers have been with Nolan at the helm and then the seeminly imminent ownership takeover of his group. Now it's anything but imminent. Ownership can run a team into the ground, see Oakland Raiders, Washington Redskins, Houston Astros, Dallas Mavericks, etc.

[svhorns]

We have no closer.

[F18mustang]

We have no closer.

More like Bob Stoops is our Manager.

[svhorns]

f'ing redic.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

2 nights in a row, the Rangers have lost to the WORST team in baseball.....in shocking fashion. Talk about a reality check!

[thestud]

2 nights in a row, the Rangers have lost to the WORST team in baseball.....in shocking fashion. Talk about a reality check!

Bullpen should get a rest tonight. Cliff complete-Lee goes the distance in his Rangers debut? Let's hope so:yes:

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Bullpen should get a rest tonight. Cliff complete-Lee goes the distance in his Rangers debut? Let's hope so:yes:

I pray that you're right. Hell, the gut punch from the White Sox should've been the wakeup call. But, then again, the Rangers only lost about 5 times the entire month of June. I knew they'd eventually go thru something like this..just wasn't sure when it would happen.

[thestud]

I pray that you're right. Hell, the gut punch from the White Sox should've been the wakeup call. But, then again, the Rangers only lost about 5 times the entire month of June. I knew they'd eventually go thru something like this..just wasn't sure when it would happen.

and I wasn't expecting it to be to the freaking orioles. These guys haven't been relevant since mussina got busted in the nose by sandy alomar

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

and I wasn't expecting it to be to the freaking orioles. These guys haven't been relevant since mussina got busted in the nose by sandy alomar

Yeah, I remember when Sandy did that. LOL!

I don't know if they took the Orioles lightly, or what. But, the teams that have nothing to lose are usually the ones that you BETTER look out for. They're the ones that you need to take seriously more than the others.

[thestud]

What worries me more than the Rangers current skid they've hit?

This


Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban has emerged as a bidder for the Texas Rangers in a joint effort with former sports agent Dennis Gilbert and Dallas businessman Jeff Beck, the New York Post reported on Saturday.

The Post quoted one source close to the situation as saying: "I think Cuban is serious."......


I'm terrified of what he would do to my team if he were to be serious and actually buy them.




http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/mlb/news/story?id=5370763

[farmerfan]

What worries me more than the Rangers current skid they've hit?

This




I'm terrified of what he would do to my team if he were to be serious and actually buy them.




http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/mlb/news/story?id=5370763

What scares you about Cuban? The guy is a nut but the guy is passionate about winning and seeing to it that his teams are the best at what they do. Anything is better than Hicks

[F18mustang]

What scares you about Cuban? The guy is a nut but the guy is passionate about winning and seeing to it that his teams are the best at what they do. Anything is better than Hicks

Totally agree.

[Dawg Fan]

Typical Rangers, I get on the bandwagon and they are about to be swept at home by the worst team in baseball. Pathetic:(

[F18mustang]

Typical Rangers, I get on the bandwagon and they are about to be swept at home by the worst team in baseball. Pathetic:(

Its ok. The Angels have been playing equally as bad. We still have the largest divisional lead with one of the best pitchers in the league down the stretch. We're fine. The All star break is coming at the right time though, thats for sure. Nothing has gone our way the past four days.

I'm not worried.

[15Adragon]

Its ok. The Angels have been playing equally as bad. We still have the largest divisional lead with one of the best pitchers in the league down the stretch. We're fine. The All star break is coming at the right time though, thats for sure. Nothing has gone our way the past four days.

I'm not worried.

This.

I would like to see Hamilton move back into the #3 slot in the order. I also think we upgraded at 1B for the second half. The bullpen will need to play like they did in June. We'll be OK. We have plenty of offense.

[thestud]

This.

I would like to see Hamilton move back into the #3 slot in the order. I also think we upgraded at 1B for the second half. The bullpen will need to play like they did in June. We'll be OK. We have plenty of offense.

Josh Hamilton did the damage he did because he's been hitting 5th, the other reason he's there is to provide protection for Vlad. Hambone is fine at #5 but Kinsler needs to start swinging the stick, dude hit 31 home runs last year and I believe he has 4 thus far...

[thestud]

What scares you about Cuban? The guy is a nut but the guy is passionate about winning and seeing to it that his teams are the best at what they do. Anything is better than Hicks


Cuban is too meddlesome, hence why the Mavs have not won a championship yet. He is the George Steinbrenner of basketball, but unlike George he can't put his ego in check long enough to make the right decisions for the better good of his franchise.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

What worries me more than the Rangers current skid they've hit?

This




I'm terrified of what he would do to my team if he were to be serious and actually buy them.




http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/mlb/news/story?id=5370763

Sir, I am well aware that the Mavs still don't have any rings but, do you remember what the Mavs were like BEFORE Cuban took over? Not to mention, Cuban treats his players and organization like they're his own family. He will spend the money and make more than an effort to try to win. The thing I like the most about Cuban, is that he's a fan of the game. He just happens to have more money than a lot of us do and, I can respect that.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Cuban is too meddlesome, hence why the Mavs have not won a championship yet. He is the George Steinbrenner of basketball, but unlike George he can't put his ego in check long enough to make the right decisions for the better good of his franchise.

True enough but, this may go back to the fact that Cuban is a fan of the game. Immediate improvement came soon after he took over what was THE worst sports franchise in not only the NBA, but in all of sports in the '90s.

He tried to purchase the Cubs but, that fell through. Cubs fans wanted him too! We'll see how this goes!

[thestud]

Sir, I am well aware that the Mavs still don't have any rings but, do you remember what the Mavs were like BEFORE Cuban took over? Not to mention, Cuban treats his players and organization like they're his own family. He will spend the money and make more than an effort to try to win. The thing I like the most about Cuban, is that he's a fan of the game. He just happens to have more money than a lot of us do and, I can respect that.

quit calling me sir or I'm going to start calling you farmer:p. I remember exactly how horrible the Mavs were before Cuban got there, but they have plateaued for awhile now. I think the problem is that he is such a huge fan that he can't keep that in check long enough to make good business decisions for the franchise, perhaps thinking with his heart more than his head.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

quit calling me sir or I'm going to start calling you farmer:p. I remember exactly how horrible the Mavs were before Cuban got there, but they have plateaued for awhile now. I think the problem is that he is such a huge fan that he can't keep that in check long enough to make good business decisions for the franchise, perhaps thinking with his heart more than his head.

Hey...it's a sign of respect!:D And, I understand and agree with your post.

[svhorns]

Hamilton for MVP!

[15Adragon]

hamilton for mvp!

this!

[F18mustang]

Gonna get to see Cliff Lee pitch on the 22nd. Super excited.

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

If Josh stays healthy and keeps hitting the way he is, then yes! He should win!

[CCDawgs]

If Josh stays healthy and keeps hitting the way he is, then yes! He should win!

Its going to be a fun race with him and Miguel! Should be a helluva second half!

[yallerjacket2]

If Josh stays healthy and keeps hitting the way he is, then yes! He should win!

As of now, I think Cabrera is the obvious choice. But yes, if Josh keeps hitting the way he is, he will probably pass Cabrera in everything and get the triple crown so he would be the runaway winner.

[thestud]

Bengie freaking Molina carrying the Rangers the last two games? I hope some of you saw fat boy huffing it to third for the triple to give him the cycle last night :rofl::rofl::yes:


On a side note tonight should be a very good game, Lackey vs. Lee.

[thestud]

Below is a clip from espndallas; shows Bengie's triple, but more interesting than that there's a clip from Mark Cuban. Evidently Cuban is open to and would like to join the Chuck Greenberg/Nolan Ryan group trying to buy the Rangers. If it is in a minority role I have no problem with it

[yallerjacket2]

Well, the Rangers go up to Detroit tonight. They have lost eleventy quadrillion games in a row up there. Let's hope they can turn that around.

[Dawg Fan]

Can someone please explain to me why Feldman is still in the rotation. I have watched him pitch several games and he is awful. Seriously, don't we have someone at triple A we could bring up. :Censor:

[Dawg Fan]

Well Feldman has given up 3 home runs in the last two innings to let Detroit tie it up. Man that guy is a bad pitcher just like the old days for the Rangers:Censor:

[yallerjacket2]

Well Feldman has given up 3 home runs in the last two innings to let Detroit tie it up. Man that guy is a bad pitcher just like the old days for the Rangers:Censor:

The thing is, he has great stuff. He just ain't making it work.

[thestud]

runners on the corners and two outs with the fastest guy on the team at bat, maybe the coaching staff will show some nuts and lay down a squeeze...

[thestud]

14 innings and neither side showing and signs of growing a pair:Censor:

[thestud]

And as I type Nellie Cruz sneaks one out and into the Ranger bullpen. for an 8-6 lead

[Dawg Fan]

The thing is, he has great stuff. He just ain't making it work.

I haven't seen him make it work this season. Maybe he needs to get with a good pitching coach to help him get on track. Right now, he is just a liability.

[cougardude]

Rangers stomp the Tigers tonight, 8-0. Tommy Hunter becomes the first Ranger pitcher ever to start 7-0!

Go Rangers!!!

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

Going to Detroit has been like going to death row for the Rangers the last few years.

A late inning win last night and a shutout tonight was huge! I believe that Detroit MIGHT have the best home record in baseball as well.

[thestud]

Cliff Lee has pitched into the 9th now all 3 starts he has made for the Rangers. what a hoss :notworthy

[thestud]

Neftali has thrown 6 straight fastballs, the slowest of which was 96mph:eek:

[svhorns]

ballgame!

[cougardude]

ballgame!


Way to Go Rangers!!

[yallerjacket2]

7 game lead. Have the Rangers ever had a division lead this big this far into the season?

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

7 game lead. Have the Rangers ever had a division lead this big this far into the season?

No sir!

But, they are tied for their best record ever in franchise history with the one that they have now.

[thestud]

Tommy Hunter is straight dealin tonight. 6 innings pitched so far, 58 pitches and 42 for strikes :eek: two hits allowed. Crush Davis finally starting to show a glimmer of hope

[F18mustang]

Tommy Hunter is straight dealin tonight. 6 innings pitched so far, 58 pitches and 42 for strikes :eek: two hits allowed. Crush Davis finally starting to show a glimmer of hope

Cliff Lee is rubbing off his techniques on the rest of the staff. You can tell.

[farmerfan]

My buddy who is a huge Ranger fan still does not like the Cliff Lee deal. Something to do with Sabermetrics and some sort of bullcrud I have never heard before in regards to baseball

[Dawg Fan]

Please, please, please get Feldman out of the starting rotation:Censor:

[Favpack]

7 game lead - very nice. Almost swept LAA.

[yallerjacket2]

Please, please, please get Feldman out of the starting rotation:Censor:

Anybody know the status of Derek Holland? If they can get him back, with Lee, Hunter, Lewis and Wilson, they could maybe try Feldman out of the bullpen. With the way those four are pitching though, it doesn't matter too much who the fifth starter is.

[thestud]

Please, please, please get Feldman out of the starting rotation:Censor:


Harden will slide into Feldman's spot in the rotation. Not sure where Derek Holland fits in but I would like to see him brought up.

[chhspantherfan]

Harden will slide into Feldman's spot in the rotation. Not sure where Derek Holland fits in but I would like to see him brought up.

i like the way they have used pitchers this year and think that there will be plenty of gas left in the tank come Sept. Think about all of the young arms we have and the next few years look pretty sweet. JD is doing his job!

[AE 8008]

Word is the Brewers have shown some interest in Feldman and have been scouting him out lately. Another unnamed team has also shown interest in Harden (for what reason, i dont know). Rangers have been looking at Jorge Cantu from the Marlins and Ty Wiggington from the Orioles to split time with Chris Davis at 1B.

[cougardude]

Got to see my first Rangers game of the season in person last night. Great game, a little too close at the end though. Way to go Rangers and good job Tommy Hunter - 8-0!:heli:

[thestud]

Word is the Brewers have shown some interest in Feldman and have been scouting him out lately. Another unnamed team has also shown interest in Harden (for what reason, i dont know). Rangers have been looking at Jorge Cantu from the Marlins and Ty Wiggington from the Orioles to split time with Chris Davis at 1B.

wiggington has had about 3 hits since June 1, so I'm not sure where anybody is hearing his name. Look for Cantu or (this is wishful thinking) Derek Lee or Berkman. The Angels have Lee on their radar and they easily have the upper hand to land him because we don't have the financing available to take on the $7 mill or so that he has left on his contract without giving up prospects we can't give up.

[F18mustang]

Es tine! Boomstick wins the game!

[Dawg Fan]

Cliff Lee should be 3-0 with the Rangers:Censor: All of a sudden we can't hit when he is the starter and thanks Kinsler for not covering the bag and letting them tie the game:mad:

Way to go Nelly ......walkoff......yesssssss!

[F18mustang]

Cliff Lee should be 3-0 with the Rangers:Censor: All of a sudden we can't hit when he is the starter and thanks Kinsler for not covering the bag and letting them tie the game:mad:

Way to go Nelly ......walkoff......yesssssss!

The opposing pitcher when Cliff starts has performed well.

Orioles start-Chris Tillman-7.1 IP 2 H 0 ER 3 K Lee-LOSS

Boston Start-John Lackey-7 IP 7 H 2 ER 2 BB 3 K Lee-ND

Angels Start-Jared Weaver-6 IP 7 H 3 ER 2 BB K 1 HR Lee-WIN

Athletics Start-Gino Gonzales-6 IP 5 H 1 ER 3 BB 6 K Lee-ND

But yes, I am disappointed we couldn't do more for Cliff, but it isn't completely the hitter's fault.

[thestud]

Cliff Lee should be 3-0 with the Rangers:Censor: All of a sudden we can't hit when he is the starter and thanks Kinsler for not covering the bag and letting them tie the game:mad:

Way to go Nelly ......walkoff......yesssssss!

I'm more pissed that our fans wont interfere with a foul ball and keep the first baseman from catching the pop up. that andthe fact that vladi is 1 for like 50:mad:

[yallerjacket2]

I'm more pissed that our fans wont interfere with a foul ball and keep the first baseman from catching the pop up. that andthe fact that vladi is 1 for like 50:mad:

The Rangers have an 8.5 game lead in the division. They have the best pitching staff they've ever had. Vlad will come around. Nothing to be pissed about my man!

[thestud]

The Rangers have an 8.5 game lead in the division. They have the best pitching staff they've ever had. Vlad will come around. Nothing to be pissed about my man!

Whenever it hurts their team the fan is more than willing to get in the way and interfere with play, but when it would be benificial to their team to interefere they want to do the right thing.:rolleyes:

[yankee]

so the rangers are looking scary good...i predicted them to have their typical late-season collapse, but this team looks good enough to survive any slump they might get in.

[thestud]

so the rangers are looking scary good...i predicted them to have their typical late-season collapse, but this team looks good enough to survive any slump they might get in.

and Vlad's avg. has dropped some 40 points in the last month. Even scarier is to look at the lineup and see Chris Davis hitting eighth. Dude has the physical tools he just needs to get his mind right.

[ThEgReAtOnE]

and Vlad's avg. has dropped some 40 points in the last month. Even scarier is to look at the lineup and see Chris Davis hitting eighth. Dude has the physical tools he just needs to get his mind right.

Vlad needs to: a) worry about just getting to 1st base... and b) stop trying to steal bases! The dude runs like an aged Offensive Tackle! Chris Davis can go beast, once he gets his head right. Hamilton and Lee are killing it.

I've been saying it for the last few years, at least.... Josh Hamilton could've been a HOF'er, if he wouldn't have fooled around with the crack and bottle!

[yallerjacket2]

Vlad needs to: a) worry about just getting to 1st base... and b) stop trying to steal bases! The dude runs like an aged Offensive Tackle! Chris Davis can go beast, once he gets his head right. Hamilton and Lee are killing it.

I've been saying it for the last few years, at least.... Josh Hamilton could've been a HOF'er, if he wouldn't have fooled around with the crack and bottle!

I Josh keeps going like this, he could still be a HOFer! The base running is the thing that has bothered me about Vlad. He tries to stretch too many plays out with his 7.0 forty time.

[thestud]

I Josh keeps going like this, he could still be a HOFer! The base running is the thing that has bothered me about Vlad. He tries to stretch too many plays out with his 7.0 forty time.


everybody is doing poorly on the basepaths it seems like. I suppose with the amount of runners we've been stranding lately that Wash is trying to generate more runs but it's backfiring big time right now. Elvis needs to quit getting picked off too, thats more than frustrating:mad:

[AE 8008]

Kinsler to the 15 Day DL with a strained groin, Mitch Moreland gets called up from triple A

[F18mustang]

We just traded for Jorge Cantu.

[TexasRed6x]

Kinsler to the 15 Day DL with a strained groin, Mitch Moreland gets called up from triple A

Well it looks like I won't get to see Kinsler against the Yankees in 2 weeks. Damn! :mad:

[TexasRed6x]

We just traded for Jorge Cantu.

Let's hope he can give the Rangers some extra pop in that lineup. Im somewhat skeptical of his .259 10 HR's and 54 RBI's statline as it doesnt sound too good on paper but he is better that what Chris Davis has right now so that is very much improved. All I can say is let's see what he's got! I'm interested to see if the Rangers will make another trade at the deadline but after filling the primary need at 1B with Cantu it sounds like a longshot but now with Kinsler injured the Rangers might go out and do something. We'll see. The trade deadline will be interesting no doubt.

[TexasRed6x]

and Vlad's avg. has dropped some 40 points in the last month. Even scarier is to look at the lineup and see Chris Davis hitting eighth. Dude has the physical tools he just needs to get his mind right.

No Davis needs to put some bop in his bat and swing the damn thing! I'm starting to get sick of watching him when he is at bat. Its like "here is Davis...this is going to be an out" or "this will be a strikeout" I feel as if he is predictable when he is batting. And its sad to see him do this as we have a good lineup and he isnt doing anything to add to it.

[TexasRed6x]

My buddy who is a huge Ranger fan still does not like the Cliff Lee deal. Something to do with Sabermetrics and some sort of bullcrud I have never heard before in regards to baseball

Your buddy needs a slap in the face right about now. Are you kidding me? So far the Rangers got a freaking steal in Cliff Lee in that trade. He has helped the young staff in the rotation alot and it has helped tremendously.

[F18mustang]

No Davis needs to put some bop in his bat and swing the damn thing! I'm starting to get sick of watching him when he is at bat. Its like "here is Davis...this is going to be an out" or "this will be a strikeout" I feel as if he is predictable when he is batting. And its sad to see him do this as we have a good lineup and he isnt doing anything to add to it.

You won't have to anymore. Davis was sent down to AAA to make room for Cantu.

[TexasRed6x]

Well Feldman has given up 3 home runs in the last two innings to let Detroit tie it up. Man that guy is a bad pitcher just like the old days for the Rangers:Censor:

I knew that 17-8 record and 4.08 ERA he had last year was a fluke. Just look at him this year! I didn't think he was going to be this bad. He has great stuff in terms of pitching but its just not working.

[TexasRed6x]

You won't have to anymore. Davis was sent down to AAA to make room for Cantu.

Well after the trade was completed, he was the name most likely to go or be sent down. And it's weird because a year or so ago he was regarded as one of our best young pieces. Im not so sure about that.

[thestud]

Well after the trade was completed, he was the name most likely to go or be sent down. And it's weird because a year or so ago he was regarded as one of our best young pieces. Im not so sure about that.


he still is. dude was hitting like .350 with 10 homers and 60 rbi's in 67 games. his head is messed up that's the obvious part, now he just needs to tweak a few things (see nelson cruz) and he will be back up in the big leagues. Dude is one of the best defensive first basemen I have ever seen and has enormour power that has yet to be tapped, give it time and he will pay huge dividends.

[15Adragon]

Ranger fans this run over the last couple of months is as good as it gets. It is a great time to be a Ranger fan.

Earlier we had some good discussion on just how good the Rangers are. The consensus was we need to wait until after the all-star break to get a better understanding.

Since the break:

- Added one of the best pitchers in all of baseball.
- Went 5-2 on the road in 2 parks that we have not had much success in the past.
- Our MVP candidate is continuing on a tear (batting .440 over the past 2 months)
- All of this with very little offensive production from 1B
- Vlady has also been in an extended slump

3-1 @Boston
2-1 @Detroit
3-1 vs LAA
2-1 vs Oakland

There is still a ways to go and who knows where it will end up, but I am definitely enjoying the ride.

Really looking down the road here - it has been said that the best way to match-up with the dreaded Yanks is with strong LH pitching (Lee, Wilson)...

[TexasRed6x]

he still is. dude was hitting like .350 with 10 homers and 60 rbi's in 67 games. his head is messed up that's the obvious part, now he just needs to tweak a few things (see nelson cruz) and he will be back up in the big leagues. Dude is one of the best defensive first basemen I have ever seen and has enormour power that has yet to be tapped, give it time and he will pay huge dividends.

Yes that is why they are keeping him. Wash loves defense and because of the stellar defense that Davis is providing that's why the Rangers still have him. Hopefully Davis gets his head straight if not, it will be very very frustrating.

[TexasRed6x]

Ranger fans this run over the last couple of months is as good as it gets. It is a great time to be a Ranger fan.

Earlier we had some good discussion on just how good the Rangers are. The consensus was we need to wait until after the all-star break to get a better understanding.

Since the break:

- Added one of the best pitchers in all of baseball.
- Went 5-2 on the road in 2 parks that we have not had much success in the past.
- Our MVP candidate is continuing on a tear (batting .440 over the past 2 months)
- All of this with very little offensive production from 1B
- Vlady has also been in an extended slump

3-1 @Boston
2-1 @Detroit
3-1 vs LAA
2-1 vs Oakland

There is still a ways to go and who knows where it will end up, but I am definitely enjoying the ride.

Really looking down the road here - it has been said that the best way to match-up with the dreaded Yanks is with strong LH pitching (Lee, Wilson)...

I have been keeping a close eye on who will most likely pitch in the yankees series. I will be going to both games in that series and its looking like it will be Colby Lewis for the Rangers against Javier Vasquez in game 1 and CC Sabathia vs Cliff Lee in game 2. Although I won't be able to see Kinsler play I am definitely keeping my fingers crossed that I will be able to see Cliff Lee pitch.

[thestud]

Yes that is why they are keeping him. Wash loves defense and because of the stellar defense that Davis is providing that's why the Rangers still have him. Hopefully Davis gets his head straight if not, it will be very very frustrating.

I think it's a matter of when, not if with Chris. He just needs to figure it out. His discipline at the plate is there the BB's show that, he just needs to start making solid contact.

[TexasRed6x]

I think it's a matter of when, not if with Chris. He just needs to figure it out. His discipline at the plate is there the BB's show that, he just needs to start making solid contact.

Right. I dont mind a little walk here and there from him but I would like to see him improve that batting average and do a little damage.

[TexasRed6x]

Rangers acquire INF Cristian Guzman from Nationals for a minor league prospect.

[thestud]

Nellie Cruz just obliterate one about 100 feet over the left field fence. looks like his power is starting to make a comeback.

[yallerjacket2]

Well, I see that Harden is pitching tonight. Let's hope the offense can score at least 10. :rolleyes:

[TexasRed6x]

Rangers trade C Jarrod Saltalamaccia to Red Sox for 2 minor leaguers.

[cougardude]

Rich Harden gets his first win back off the disabled list beating the Angels, 2-1. Rangers now lead the AL West by 8.5 games over the A's.


Let's Go Rangers!!

[tayb]

Haven't been on in a while but I wanted to post that I think the Rangers are silly for trading for Cliff Lee. If they fail to win a world series they will essentially have given away Justin Smoak. I can assure you that Lee will not be back in a Rangers uniform next season so why give up one of your top hitting prospects for what could turn out to be a quarter season rental.

Think a much better decision would have been to target Roy Oswalt. Not only could the Rangers have landed him for a smaller pool of prospects but they could have had him for the rest of this season and had him on the cheap for next season thanks to the Astros willingness to pay the majority of his salary. Obviously Oswalt isn't Cliff Lee but I'd rather have Smoak and two years of Oswalt than no Smoak and Cliff Lee for 3 months.

Anyways, I'm going to the Rangers games when the Yankees come into town next week and again when they come in September. Let me know if you will be there.

[thestud]

Haven't been on in a while but I wanted to post that I think the Rangers are silly for trading for Cliff Lee. If they fail to win a world series they will essentially have given away Justin Smoak. I can assure you that Lee will not be back in a Rangers uniform next season so why give up one of your top hitting prospects for what could turn out to be a quarter season rental.
do you want to win now or do you want to be "good" for a couple years? Smoak is good, but he wasn't going to carry the Rangers to the World Series like Cliff Lee can.
Think a much better decision would have been to target Roy Oswalt. Not only could the Rangers have landed him for a smaller pool of prospects but they could have had him for the rest of this season and had him on the cheap for next season thanks to the Astros willingness to pay the majority of his salary. Obviously Oswalt isn't Cliff Lee but I'd rather have Smoak and two years of Oswalt than no Smoak and Cliff Lee for 3 months.
Roy Oswalt $15 million, Cliff Lee $9 million. I'm no math whiz but I would say it looks like Cliff came cheaper, and for a team in bankruptcy and operating on 2009's budget and having to have every expense approved by MLB and a judge, I would say they did pretty good. Once again, Cliff Lee for 3 months takes you to a world series, Roy isn't putting anyone on his back and carrying them. CL - two 8-inning starts and three 9-inning starts, I would say he's worth his weight in gold to this team. why are you so worried about next year, got to win now or else the future is kind of a moot point..
Anyways, I'm going to the Rangers games when the Yankees come into town next week and again when they come in September. Let me know if you will be there.

see bold.

[Dawg Fan]

I heard on the broadcast yesterday that Smoak was demoted to AAA. How bad does it get when you get deomoted from one of the worst teams in baseball?

Cliff Lee was a great trade and you know what folks, we actually have pitching this year. I know we lost two out of three to the Angels but we were in every game and that has not been the Rangers History as long as I can remember. A few clutch hits and we sweep in Anaheim. Best pitching rotation for the Rangers EVER!!!!! IMO

[trojanbacker]

I heard on the broadcast yesterday that Smoak was demoted to AAA. How bad does it get when you get deomoted from one of the worst teams in baseball?

Cliff Lee was a great trade and you know what folks, we actually have pitching this year. I know we lost two out of three to the Angels but we were in every game and that has not been the Rangers History as long as I can remember. A few clutch hits and we sweep in Anaheim. Best pitching rotation for the Rangers EVER!!!!! IMO

Yeah, I saw that, too. He was hitting .167 when sent down. Lee has done so much for this team by just eating up innings. We know that every fifth day, our worn down bullpen is going to get some rest. That is worth a lot, especially as we enter the final two months.

[tayb]

see bold.

I'd rather be good for a couple of years than be "good" for 3 months. If this season ends in anything but a world series championship then the Smoak trade will be a mistake.

You are right about the guaranteed money but what you forgot was that the Astros are forking over $11 million over this season and next season to help the Phillies pay for Roy Oswalt. That $15 million is quite a bit less when you are only on the hook for $4 million of it. And let's be perfectly honest here. Cliff Lee does not guarantee a world series. He doesn't even guarantee a playoff berth. One pitcher cannot carry a team and one pitcher cannot win a best of 7 series against a team like the Rays, Red Sox, or Yankees that have much deeper rotations.

I would gladly take two years of Roy Oswalt and Smoak than 3 months of Cliff Lee.

If the Rangers win a world series then this is all moot but my point here is that the Rangers gave up a lot to try and win this season and I don't think they can do it.

[Dawg Fan]

I'd rather be good for a couple of years than be "good" for 3 months. If this season ends in anything but a world series championship then the Smoak trade will be a mistake.

You are right about the guaranteed money but what you forgot was that the Astros are forking over $11 million over this season and next season to help the Phillies pay for Roy Oswalt. That $15 million is quite a bit less when you are only on the hook for $4 million of it. And let's be perfectly honest here. Cliff Lee does not guarantee a world series. He doesn't even guarantee a playoff berth. One pitcher cannot carry a team and one pitcher cannot win a best of 7 series against a team like the Rays, Red Sox, or Yankees that have much deeper rotations.

I would gladly take two years of Roy Oswalt and Smoak than 3 months of Cliff Lee.

If the Rangers win a world series then this is all moot but my point here is that the Rangers gave up a lot to try and win this season and I don't think they can do it.

Lee has already proved his value and his history shows he is one of the very best in baseball. Smoak and players like him come around all the time and I just don't see what is so good about him if he can't hit. There are tons of quality first basemen out there who can hit. I like Oswalt but he is no where near the quality of Lee. If you are basing WINNING a world series on one player than no teams trade are ever good enough. This is by far the best Rangers team I have ever watched and that has been many. I don't know of any team with a deeper rotation than the rangers right now. Unless you have been under a rock, since Feldman has been put in the bullpen the Rangers have 5 Quality starters. Harden, Wilson, Hunter, Lewis and Lee. I like our chances.

[tayb]

Lee has already proved his value and his history shows he is one of the very best in baseball. Smoak and players like him come around all the time and I just don't see what is so good about him if he can't hit. There are tons of quality first basemen out there who can hit. I like Oswalt but he is no where near the quality of Lee. If you are basing WINNING a world series on one player than no teams trade are ever good enough. This is by far the best Rangers team I have ever watched and that has been many. I don't know of any team with a deeper rotation than the rangers right now. Unless you have been under a rock, since Feldman has been put in the bullpen the Rangers have 5 Quality starters. Harden, Wilson, Hunter, Lewis and Lee. I like our chances.

Lee is 1-2 with the Rangers after 5 starts. I know that W/L records aren't a great indicator of how much value a pitcher has but that probably isn't the kind of showing you wanted after giving up your top hitting prospect.

Smoak is a prospect. He's 23. The best hitting prospect the Rangers had. He was struggling his first year in the big leagues but that isn't abnormal for prospects of his age trying to play a position such as first base. Players with his talent are most definitely not a dime a dozen.

Lee is better than Oswalt. No arguments here. But is 3 months of Lee better than 3 months + 1 full season of Oswalt? I think not. Especially when you could get Oswalt without giving up Smoak.

And on having the deepest rotation in the league? Seriously? Good rotation, yes, but I see three teams in the AL East alone with deeper rotations than the Rangers.

[Dawg Fan]

Lee is 1-2 with the Rangers after 5 starts. I know that W/L records aren't a great indicator of how much value a pitcher has but that probably isn't the kind of showing you wanted after giving up your top hitting prospect.

Smoak is a prospect. He's 23. The best hitting prospect the Rangers had. He was struggling his first year in the big leagues but that isn't abnormal for prospects of his age trying to play a position such as first base. Players with his talent are most definitely not a dime a dozen.

Lee is better than Oswalt. No arguments here. But is 3 months of Lee better than 3 months + 1 full season of Oswalt? I think not. Especially when you could get Oswalt without giving up Smoak.

And on having the deepest rotation in the league? Seriously? Good rotation, yes, but I see three teams in the AL East alone with deeper rotations than the Rangers.

we will have to disagree. The Rangers are loaded with hitters and Smoak was expendable. Lee should be undefeated right now. The losses were not due to Lee, that is for certain. For some reason the team is in a bit of a hitting slump but they were in every game Lee pitched and he has given them at least 8 solid innings every start. The bullpen is rested and very good. I don't know why you think that Lee won't be back next year besides speculation. Are you a Rangers fan? I seem to remember you being a Yankees fan but I might be wrong. I am interested in what three teams have a deeper rotation right now. I would like to see their records since the all star break.

[tayb]

we will have to disagree. The Rangers are loaded with hitters and Smoak was expendable. Lee should be undefeated right now. The losses were not due to Lee, that is for certain. For some reason the team is in a bit of a hitting slump but they were in every game Lee pitched and he has given them at least 8 solid innings every start. The bullpen is rested and very good. I don't know why you think that Lee won't be back next year besides speculation. Are you a Rangers fan? I seem to remember you being a Yankees fan but I might be wrong. I am interested in what three teams have a deeper rotation right now. I would like to see their records since the all star break.

No, I'm not a Rangers fan. I'm a Yankees fan but I'm a fan of baseball and I won't root against the local(ish) team unless they are playing the Yankees. I just like to talk baseball.

He was robbed of two wins (9IP 0ER, ND. 9IP, 2ER, ND) but the two losses were all on him. 6ER, 4ER.

There's no way he is coming back because there is no way the Rangers can afford him. He's going to get a 20+ million a year contract. Let's be honest here there are only a handful of teams that can afford to add Cliff Lee this off season and the Rangers aren't one of them. Not unless Cliff Lee gives the Rangers a Dallas discount.

I would take these three rotations over the Rangers rotation. Not to say that the Rangers rotation isn't good but it's not the best or the deepest in the league. Most notably the top three pitchers from each of these groups because in October you really only need three starters to win a championship.

Red Sox: Lester, Beckett, Buchholz, Lackey, Dice-K
Rays: Niemann, Price, Davis, Garza, Shields
Yankees: Sabathia, Pettitte, Hughes, AJ, Vazquez

Colby Lewis. Never pitched in October.
CJ Wilson. Never pitched in October.
Tommy Hunter. Rookie. Never pitched in October.
Rich Harden. Head case.
Cliff Lee. Stud. Proven.

[thestud]

we will have to disagree. The Rangers are loaded with hitters and Smoak was expendable. Lee should be undefeated right now. .



both of these points seem to be lost on tayb. Hitters are a dime a dozen, you can come by those easy. Cliff Lee's are very very few and far between.

[thestud]

I'd rather be good for a couple of years than be "good" for 3 months. If this season ends in anything but a world series championship then the Smoak trade will be a mistake.

You are right about the guaranteed money but what you forgot was that the Astros are forking over $11 million over this season and next season to help the Phillies pay for Roy Oswalt. That $15 million is quite a bit less when you are only on the hook for $4 million of it. And let's be perfectly honest here. Cliff Lee does not guarantee a world series. He doesn't even guarantee a playoff berth. One pitcher cannot carry a team and one pitcher cannot win a best of 7 series against a team like the Rays, Red Sox, or Yankees that have much deeper rotations.

I would gladly take two years of Roy Oswalt and Smoak than 3 months of Cliff Lee.

If the Rangers win a world series then this is all moot but my point here is that the Rangers gave up a lot to try and win this season and I don't think they can do it.

You're crazy if you think the Astros would be willing to pay $11 million of Roy's salary if they were sending him to the Rangers. Nolan left a bad taste in Mcclane's mouth when he left Houston several years back for the Rangers, combine that with the fact that his ballclub competes for the same demographic as the Rangers, why would that trade make sense? I feel like I'm wasting my breath(not literally) if you really do think Oswalt > Lee. There is nothing guaranteed, which is why you live for the season you're having, thats ridiculous to try and "hedge your bets" in hopes of competing next year, what kind of message does that send to your team and your fans?

[TexasRed6x]

both of these points seem to be lost on tayb. Hitters are a dime a dozen, you can come by those easy. Cliff Lee's are very very few and far between.

Right. Not only has Cliff Lee stayed dominant and has kept the Rangers close in big games he also has helped the staff get better as a unit. Yes the Rangers have a young staff other than Lee but just take a look at it. For example, look at how dominant Tommy Hunter has been. He has gotten better because he keeps pounding the fastballs at hitters. That is exactly what Cliff Lee has been doing. Not only that but mixing his pitches to stay effective. Hunter has used that as a tool to improve. Cliff Lee has played a big role into making this young pitching staff better as well as had a big impact on them as a whole.

[Dawg Fan]

The fact that the Yankee's wanted Cliff Lee very badly kinda makes me wonder if the negative Cliff Lee talk is because of the decision to turn down the Yankees in favor of the Rangers. I too am a fan of baseball and I watched Sabathia get rocked the other day and he looks tired to me. He is a quality pitcher but not better than Lee IMO. Pettitte is 38 and on the 15 day DL and is injury prone. Burnet is having an average season at best. Hughes is solid and Vazques is average. I also find it difficult to accept a Yankees fans assessment of the Rangers although I do respect his opinion. The Rangers are a younger team than both the Red Sox and Yankees and to say that playing in October is the measuring stick for potential stretch run is funny when you look at teams like the Diamonbacks, Florida Marlins and others who won world series with little or no October experience. The Rangers are a very solid team that if the hitting gets anywhere near what it was in June, I don't see any team better. The rotations of the Yankees and Red Sox are very good but from what I have seen lately average at best. Only the Rays seem to be dominant right now. Of course all of this is opinion because no matter what we say on here the proof comes on the field.

[TexasRed6x]

Well its official...Nolan Ryan and Chuck Greenberg outbid Mark Cuban for the team! I didn't really care who won the auction but in the end, Cuban had the deep pockets to put great players on the team and plus he is an owner that cares about the fans and the players instead of the business part of it. Looks like Cliff Lee will be gone at the end of the year. :( I just hope this is a good move for the team in the end.

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/mlb/news/story?id=5436579

[Dawg Fan]

Well its official...Nolan Ryan and Chuck Greenberg outbid Mark Cuban for the team! I didn't really care who won the auction but in the end, Cuban had the deep pockets to put great players on the team and plus he is an owner that cares about the fans and the players instead of the business part of it. Looks like Cliff Lee will be gone at the end of the year. :( I just hope this is a good move for the team in the end.

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/mlb/news/story?id=5436579

Nolan tell you they weren't going to resign Lee? I can't possible see where Nolan Ryan owning the team is not a great move. I don't care about Cuban's pockets, how may championships has he won? Same as Nolan Ryan. Nolan knows baseball and that's what the Rangers need, not some guy who goes off the reservation and acts like a fool. I am not a Cuban fan.

[yallerjacket2]

Nolan tell you they weren't going to resign Lee? I can't possible see where Nolan Ryan owning the team is not a great move. I don't care about Cuban's pockets, how may championships has he won? Same as Nolan Ryan. Nolan knows baseball and that's what the Rangers need, not some guy who goes off the reservation and acts like a fool. I am not a Cuban fan.

Yeah, I doubt Nolan would have stayed here if Cuban got the team. The pitching staff has improved leaps and bounds since Ryan came in the picture. Even before Cliff Lee. Can't be a bad thing to keep him on. Now, I'm just hoping John Daniels stays for a while. I'm hearing he really wants to run things for the Mets and I would think they will have an opening pretty soon.

[pied]

Cool game last night. Seattle had gotten back to 7-6. In the top of the 7th, Texas had runners on 1st and 2nd and two outs. Andrus hits a pretty weak ball to 3rd and hauls ***. The 3rd baseman takes his time and misses the thrown by a fraction of a second and bases are loaded, still two outs.

Michael Young launches the next pitch for a grand slam and the game in essense is over. Hustle and extra effort won that game.

[thestud]

Well its official...Nolan Ryan and Chuck Greenberg outbid Mark Cuban for the team! I didn't really care who won the auction but in the end, Cuban had the deep pockets to put great players on the team and plus he is an owner that cares about the fans and the players instead of the business part of it. Looks like Cliff Lee will be gone at the end of the year. :( I just hope this is a good move for the team in the end.

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/mlb/news/story?id=5436579

yes because his deep pockets have brought him so many championships on the court:rolleyes:. Dude has more money than he has sense, hence why the Mavs have yet to win a ring. He thinks he can be the next Steinbrenner.

[trojanbacker]

I'm pretty sure I would have thrown up if I had to watch Cuban dance around in the stands for 82 Ranger games next year. All Cuban did yesterday was drive the price up to a point to where now I wonder if the new ownership group isn't going to be hamstrung with debt and unable to go out and get new players. $593 million? Are you kidding me?

[DragonFan0316]

Does anyone know for sure that Greenberg/Ryan don't have deep pockets? I would guess Cuban's are deeper but these guys aren't buying this team to lose. No one thought we would score before trade deadline, me included. So far I see good things and am not ready to give up on Lee long term. Thoughts?

[15Adragon]

Does anyone know for sure that Greenberg/Ryan don't have deep pockets? I would guess Cuban's are deeper but these guys aren't buying this team to lose. No one thought we would score before trade deadline, me included. So far I see good things and am not ready to give up on Lee long term. Thoughts?

I think the Rangers are playing for this year and I think the Ryan ownership team will be best fit going forward. I am little disappointed in Cuban. Maybe in time we will better understand his motives. As far as Lee goes... he is doing great and I hope we are able to resign him, but we should exercise caution also. He is 32 and giving a 32 year old BIG money for 4, 5, or 6 years is a little risky. Maybe we will win the WS and then the Yankee's will sign him for ridiculous money... They like paying older players big money... That is OK with me too.

[pied]

I think the Rangers are playing for this year and I think the Ryan ownership team will be best fit going forward. I am little disappointed in Cuban. Maybe in time we will better understand his motives. As far as Lee goes... he is doing great and I hope we are able to resign him, but we should exercise caution also. He is 32 and giving a 32 year old BIG money for 4, 5, or 6 years is a little risky. Maybe we will win the WS and then the Yankee's will sign him for ridiculous money... They like paying older players big money... That is OK with me too.

Not certain I understand this. He is a sports owner sho has expressed interest before in getting into other franchises, Cubs/Penguins. He is an owner who wants to win and has done great things with the Mavs. I can see how he might rub someone the wrong way, but his intent seems clear.

[farmerfan]

Not certain I understand this. He is a sports owner sho has expressed interest before in getting into other franchises, Cubs/Penguins. He is an owner who wants to win and has done great things with the Mavs. I can see how he might rub someone the wrong way, but his intent seems clear.

Agree with all points. Put me in the category that thinks a Cuban run baseball team with no salary cap would prosper. Yes even if that was the Rangers. Cuban would use all resources possible to win and make no mistake about it, he would win

[trojanbacker]

Does anyone know for sure that Greenberg/Ryan don't have deep pockets? I would guess Cuban's are deeper but these guys aren't buying this team to lose. No one thought we would score before trade deadline, me included. So far I see good things and am not ready to give up on Lee long term. Thoughts?

No doubt Cuban has deep pockets, but I'm wondering why he partnered with Jim Crane out of Houston? Does anyone know if this deal will even pass muster with Hicks' creditors? It still leaves him short of being able to meet his financial obligations to his lenders.

[farmerfan]

I think the Rangers are playing for this year and I think the Ryan ownership team will be best fit going forward. I am little disappointed in Cuban. Maybe in time we will better understand his motives. As far as Lee goes... he is doing great and I hope we are able to resign him, but we should exercise caution also. He is 32 and giving a 32 year old BIG money for 4, 5, or 6 years is a little risky. Maybe we will win the WS and then the Yankee's will sign him for ridiculous money... They like paying older players big money... That is OK with me too.

That is the question with Lee. He has never had a huge contract and this will probably be the only one he ever signs so it makes you wonder where he will lean. The thing tha I am interested in is do you give a guy who will be 32 years old a 4 or a 5 year contract/ I can't see much over 5 due to age.

[DragonFan0316]

No doubt Cuban has deep pockets, but I'm wondering why he partnered with Jim Crane out of Houston? Does anyone know if this deal will even pass muster with Hicks' creditors? It still leaves him short of being able to meet his financial obligations to his lenders.

I believe it is a done deal. The creditor concerns will have no bearing on the outcome. CRO will signj this morning and MLB will approve early next week.

[trojanbacker]

I would love to see Lee in Texas....but, my gut tells me he is in pinstripes in the end.

[DragonFan0316]

I would love to see Lee in Texas....but, my gut tells me he is in pinstripes in the end.

I would like to see Lee stay but as for the rest of the rented players, they can all go if you ask me. Does anyone else wonder if Molina is going to colapse on the field soon?

[trojanbacker]

I believe it is a done deal. The creditor concerns will have no bearing on the outcome. CRO will signj this morning and MLB will approve early next week.

One story floating around out there says that Monarch Alternative Capital would have to sign off on the deal. They purchased a sizable chunk of the Hicks Sports Group debt after they defaulted. I guess we'll see this morning.

[trojanbacker]

I would like to see Lee stay but as for the rest of the rented players, they can all go if you ask me. Does anyone else wonder if Molina is going to colapse on the field soon?

He looks top heavy. I'm still amazed he had a triple ealier this summer. When I first heard that, my first thought was "triple Whopper with cheese?"

[15Adragon]

Not certain I understand this. He is a sports owner sho has expressed interest before in getting into other franchises, Cubs/Penguins. He is an owner who wants to win and has done great things with the Mavs. I can see how he might rub someone the wrong way, but his intent seems clear.

There are some that are suggesting that Cuban was in the mix to drive up the bid for the creditors and some that even suggest that he gets a benefit from this. Again this is all "out there" and more. Time will clear it all up. I have no idea what to believe as far as the sale goes. This is a very complex matter.

[pied]

Curious if people are going to hate the meddlesome owner in Ryan.

[TexasRed6x]

I would love to see Lee in Texas....but, my gut tells me he is in pinstripes in the end.

The Rangers would be stupid to let the best pitcher in baseball leave. But then again...the Phillies did. I hope he does stay because he has helped the pitching staff tremedously, has had a big impact on the guys in the rotation, and has helped out the bullpen because he eats up innings and keeps the bullpen fresh. Not only that but the Rangers fans absolutely love the guy and every start he has had at home they have given him a standing ovation. Yes the Rangers would still be good without Cliff Lee but they wont be as good as a rotation than they are right now with him. And if Lee does leave the fans would be devistated because he has given the fans and the team a treat in a pitcher of his caliber.

[TexasRed6x]

He looks top heavy. I'm still amazed he had a triple ealier this summer. When I first heard that, my first thought was "triple Whopper with cheese?"

lol he was huffing and puffing his way around the bases on that triple. Im sure he needed an oxygen mask and plenty of oxygen after that. He's a big boy no doubt but he is hitting pretty decently for a guy his size and that's amazing.

[trojanbacker]

Curious if people are going to hate the meddlesome owner in Ryan.

And, don't forget....he's prone to violence. (Robin Ventura, '93)

[pied]

And, don't forget....he's prone to violence. (Robin Ventura, '93)

Does he still own the Astros affiliate in Rond ROck?

[farmerfan]

The Rangers would be stupid to let the best pitcher in baseball leave. But then again...the Phillies did. I hope he does stay because he has helped the pitching staff tremedously, has had a big impact on the guys in the rotation, and has helped out the bullpen because he eats up innings and keeps the bullpen fresh. Not only that but the Rangers fans absolutely love the guy and every start he has had at home they have given him a standing ovation. Yes the Rangers would still be good without Cliff Lee but they wont be as good as a rotation than they are right now with him. And if Lee does leave the fans would be devistated because he has given the fans and the team a treat in a pitcher of his caliber.

Yes they did but in their defense they were able to make up for that by getting Halladay. In the case for the Rangers there will not be a Halladay out there to pickup if Lee does not resign with the team

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

IMO, I think the Rangers would've been okay either way, whether it was Ryan owning the team or Cuban doing it. Cuban may not have any rings but, it is very clear that he does want to win. Not only that but, he treats his players like they're his own family. They'll definitely be taken care of and, I like his loyalty to the fans as well. I also remember what the Mavs were before he bought them!:rofl:

Either way, I think they'll be fine!

[TexasRed6x]

Does he still own the Astros affiliate in Rond ROck?

As far as I know yes he does.

[TexasRed6x]

Yes they did but in their defense they were able to make up for that by getting Halladay. In the case for the Rangers there will not be a Halladay out there to pickup if Lee does not resign with the team

That is why the Rangers are in deep trouble should he leave. Im not sure who is the best pitcher available other than Lee on the upcoming free agent market but it won't be good for the Rangers as they wont find a good replacement to replace Lee in the rotation. That's why im hoping like crazy that he stays with the Rangers.

[CCDawgs]

That is why the Rangers are in deep trouble should he leave. Im not sure who is the best pitcher available other than Lee on the upcoming free agent market but it won't be good for the Rangers as they wont find a good replacement to replace Lee in the rotation. That's why im hoping like crazy that he stays with the Rangers.

I could really care less if he stays or not even though I do enjoy watching him throw complete game losses.

[yallerjacket2]

I would like to see Lee stay but as for the rest of the rented players, they can all go if you ask me. Does anyone else wonder if Molina is going to colapse on the field soon?

I agree about the rest of the rented players. The Lee trade was the only one that they really needed to make. The other guys are just overkill as far as I'm concerned. Why keep messing with the chemistry when things are going so well?

[trojanbacker]

I could really care less if he stays or not even though I do enjoy watching him throw complete game losses.

Yep, that puts him in the category with other losers like Roy Halladay who had a complete game loss on June 30. I wish these guys would get their act together.

[DragonFan0316]

And, don't forget....he's prone to violence. (Robin Ventura, '93)

As I remember it he took every last drop of his violence out on Ventura. He has been gentle since. I have heard Robin can't be in the same room with Nolan because he develops an uncontrollable twich.:rofl:

[Dawg Fan]

I could really care less if he stays or not even though I do enjoy watching him throw complete game losses.

then you completely understand why Rangers fans don't really give a damn what you think;)

[pied]

There are some that are suggesting that Cuban was in the mix to drive up the bid for the creditors and some that even suggest that he gets a benefit from this. Again this is all "out there" and more. Time will clear it all up. I have no idea what to believe as far as the sale goes. This is a very complex matter.

From Cuban:

Finally lets talk about finances. Lets talk about the bonds I own. I have been getting a bunch of emails from reporters asking how much money I made on the bonds I own. Suggesting that I bid up the price of the Rangers in order to increase the value of the $2mm i spent on bonds. To all of you I offer a lesson in economics.

It is NEVER a good idea to risk hundreds of millions of dollars on the purchase of a team AND to spend what could come to more than a $1million in professional fees in order to increase the value of the $2mm you bought in bonds. I know its something for the media to talk about. But if any of you out there think it through, I dont want you to think i was stupid enough to do something that stupid.

His whole entry is a pretty good read.

http://blogmaverick.com/2010/08/05/chasing-the-rangers/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogmaverick%2FtyiP+%28blog+m averick%29&utm_content=Twitter

[15Adragon]

From Cuban:



His whole entry is a pretty good read.

http://blogmaverick.com/2010/08/05/chasing-the-rangers/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogmaverick%2FtyiP+%28blog+m averick%29&utm_content=Twitter

Yes, it is a good read. Thanks for sharing..

I am hoping that the new ownership team has enough scratch left to sign their top players, rebuild their Latin American farm system, and sign a few key free agents.

[AE 8008]

As far as Lee goes, the Rangers probably won't resign him. He's best friends with Sabathia and was teammates with him on the Indians and would probably love to be back with him, not to mention the contract and wins that he'll get from the Yankees. His first response to being traded to Texas was "I'm going to Texas. It sure is hot down there." over twitter. I think he likes being up north where its cooler, thus, Yankees.

As for Molina, the Rangers will most likely resign him to a one year contract now that theyve traded Salty. He'll be the #1 with Teagarden and Max Ramirez behind him.

I think it would be a good idea to resign Jorge Cantu, and here's why: Can play 1B, 2B and 3B. He can split time with Moreland at first for the most part. But if the Rangers dont resign Vladdy, there arent really alot of other good free agent DHs out there, so i wouldnt be surprised to see Michael Young start DHing more and Cantu seeing some reps at 3B. Youngs age and defense are starting to move him more towards the DH spot. Adam Dunn may be the other other slugger out there that would make a fierce DH.

As for other starting pitchers, none are close to the caliber of Cliff Lee. You can look at a list of all the free agents here http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/09/2011-mlb-free-agents.html

I bet the Rangers dont resign frank francisco to make room for Scheppers and/or Perez as well, and to spend more money on other free agents

[15Adragon]

As far as Lee goes, the Rangers probably won't resign him. He's best friends with Sabathia and was teammates with him on the Indians and would probably love to be back with him, not to mention the contract and wins that he'll get from the Yankees. His first response to being traded to Texas was "I'm going to Texas. It sure is hot down there." over twitter. I think he likes being up north where its cooler, thus, Yankees.

As for Molina, the Rangers will most likely resign him to a one year contract now that theyve traded Salty. He'll be the #1 with Teagarden and Max Ramirez behind him.

I think it would be a good idea to resign Jorge Cantu, and here's why: Can play 1B, 2B and 3B. He can split time with Moreland at first for the most part. But if the Rangers dont resign Vladdy, there arent really alot of other good free agent DHs out there, so i wouldnt be surprised to see Michael Young start DHing more and Cantu seeing some reps at 3B. Youngs age and defense are starting to move him more towards the DH spot. Adam Dunn may be the other other slugger out there that would make a fierce DH.

As for other starting pitchers, none are close to the caliber of Cliff Lee. You can look at a list of all the free agents here http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/09/2011-mlb-free-agents.html

I bet the Rangers dont resign frank francisco to make room for Scheppers and/or Perez as well, and to spend more money on other free agents

Lots to agree on.

- Lee is probably gone
- Young's D is starting to really slide, but he is a great clubhouse guy and his bat is still strong ( I wonder if he can play 1st? )
- Cantu could be a defensive upgrade at 3B
- Frank is gone
- Resign Molina for a yr (and send him to an off-season nutritionist so he can learn how to handle those buffet situations)

Here is hoping for some late October baseball in Arlington!

[DragonFan0316]

Cuban knows how to make money. It is not luck on his part. If he would have won, I bet Greenberg and Ryan would have stayed in the mix. Cuban seems to be a loyal guy. I like that.

[DragonFan0316]

Lots to agree on.

- Lee is probably gone
- Young's D is starting to really slide, but he is a great clubhouse guy and his bat is still strong ( I wonder if he can play 1st? )
- Cantu could be a defensive upgrade at 3B
- Frank is gone
- Resign Molina for a yr (and send him to an off-season nutritionist so he can learn how to handle those buffet situations)

Here is hoping for some late October baseball in Arlington!

I think Lee offers more than his current talent. He is great with the young pitchers and I believe he can be had for an extended period and a no trade. He wants to be paid of course but I bet he is reasonable. He would be the one I want to keep and I would start trying to resign him now. Just my opinion. As for Bengi, I would rather start Treanor.

[15Adragon]

I think Lee offers more than his current talent. He is great with the young pitchers and I believe he can be had for an extended period and a no trade. He wants to be paid of course but I bet he is reasonable. He would be the one I want to keep and I would start trying to resign him now. Just my opinion. As for Bengi, I would rather start Treanor.

I agree with your assessment on Lee. I too hope they can keep him, but if he leads the Rangers deep into October the Yankee's will make sure he is wearing pinstripes next season.

[AE 8008]

If it's any advantage Lee is from Arkansas so he would be closer to home and family down here. He's gonna get big bucks wherever he goes so it's more than just the money. I still think he'll end up somewhere else though.

The #2 guy the Rangers will be signing will be Josh Hamilton, and I think he'll be pretty easy to sign.

If the Rangers don't get Lee, then I see alot of that money going to Vlad and perhaps another free agent pitcher. Unless Harden is ridiculous down the stretch, he's not coming back, so thatll free up more money as well.

[tayb]

You're crazy if you think the Astros would be willing to pay $11 million of Roy's salary if they were sending him to the Rangers. Nolan left a bad taste in Mcclane's mouth when he left Houston several years back for the Rangers, combine that with the fact that his ballclub competes for the same demographic as the Rangers, why would that trade make sense? I feel like I'm wasting my breath(not literally) if you really do think Oswalt > Lee. There is nothing guaranteed, which is why you live for the season you're having, thats ridiculous to try and "hedge your bets" in hopes of competing next year, what kind of message does that send to your team and your fans?

How in the world are you playing for next year by trading for Roy Oswalt instead of Cliff Lee? I don't know how much clearer I can possibly be when I say that Cliff Lee is a better pitcher than Oswalt. What you guys can't seem to comprehend is that 3 months of Cliff Lee is not better than 3 months + 1 full season of Roy Oswalt + Justin Smoak.

Why would a trade make sense? Because he has an expiring contract in 15 months and the team is in 100% rebuilding mode. I doubt that bad blood between the two teams would have stopped them from making a trade. They don't even play in the same conference.


both of these points seem to be lost on tayb. Hitters are a dime a dozen, you can come by those easy. Cliff Lee's are very very few and far between.

The Rangers are so loaded with first base hitters that they had to go out and trade for a replacement for Smoak? Yawn. Smoak may not pan out (nothing is guaranteed) but he was one of the most highly touted Baseball America prospects prior to this season. Do you think the Mariners management is just absolutely ********? The kid is extremely talented. Now that he is gone fans like you want to act like he was a piss poor player who was never going to progress. That's laughable.


So let's recap before you misunderstand my words again.

I'd rather have:
Roy Oswalt for 15 months + Justin Smoak

Than:
Cliff Lee for 3 months.

[tayb]

The fact that the Yankee's wanted Cliff Lee very badly kinda makes me wonder if the negative Cliff Lee talk is because of the decision to turn down the Yankees in favor of the Rangers. I too am a fan of baseball and I watched Sabathia get rocked the other day and he looks tired to me. He is a quality pitcher but not better than Lee IMO. Pettitte is 38 and on the 15 day DL and is injury prone. Burnet is having an average season at best. Hughes is solid and Vazques is average. I also find it difficult to accept a Yankees fans assessment of the Rangers although I do respect his opinion. The Rangers are a younger team than both the Red Sox and Yankees and to say that playing in October is the measuring stick for potential stretch run is funny when you look at teams like the Diamonbacks, Florida Marlins and others who won world series with little or no October experience. The Rangers are a very solid team that if the hitting gets anywhere near what it was in June, I don't see any team better. The rotations of the Yankees and Red Sox are very good but from what I have seen lately average at best. Only the Rays seem to be dominant right now. Of course all of this is opinion because no matter what we say on here the proof comes on the field.

The Yankees did want Cliff Lee and I was very glad when they didn't get him. I would much rather have Jesus Montero and Ramon Castro (prospects) than Cliff Lee. I still want Cliff Lee and I'm pretty confident we'll get Cliff Lee but I'd much rather wait 3 months and get him as a free agent than trade away some of our best catching prospects. Either way, none of this has anything to do with my thoughts on the Cliff Lee trade to the Rangers.

I didn't say that playoff experience was indicative of how deep of a playoff run the Rangers could make but let's not discredit the fact that lots of players perform well below or above average come October. For a long time CC and Arod stunk it up in the playoffs and then last year all of the sudden both of them find their way. That's all I mean with it. Playoff experience is never a bad thing.

Yo, Sabathia always looks tired. The guy is like 6'9 and 4000 pounds.

[thestud]

How in the world are you playing for next year by trading for Roy Oswalt instead of Cliff Lee? I don't know how much clearer I can possibly be when I say that Cliff Lee is a better pitcher than Oswalt. What you guys can't seem to comprehend is that 3 months of Cliff Lee is not better than 3 months + 1 full season of Roy Oswalt + Justin Smoak.

Why would a trade make sense? Because he has an expiring contract in 15 months and the team is in 100% rebuilding mode. I doubt that bad blood between the two teams would have stopped them from making a trade. They don't even play in the same conference.




The Rangers are so loaded with first base hitters that they had to go out and trade for a replacement for Smoak? Yawn. Smoak may not pan out (nothing is guaranteed) but he was one of the most highly touted Baseball America prospects prior to this season. Do you think the Mariners management is just absolutely ********? The kid is extremely talented. Now that he is gone fans like you want to act like he was a piss poor player who was never going to progress. That's laughable.


So let's recap before you misunderstand my words again.

I'd rather have:
Roy Oswalt for 15 months + Justin Smoak

Than:
Cliff Lee for 3 months.



dude, see bold. You specifically said you want Roy because you can have him for next year too. Guess what, the only thing that matters is the next three months, and you said yourself Lee is better than Oswalt. so the point you were making was???

[tayb]

dude, see bold. You specifically said you want Roy because you can have him for next year too. Guess what, the only thing that matters is the next three months, and you said yourself Lee is better than Oswalt. so the point you were making was???

So... adding Roy Oswalt wouldn't help the Rangers at all this year? I didn't realize he sucked so bad.

That is most definitely NOT the only thing that matters. The Rangers don't have deep pockets and they aren't ever going to have truly deep pockets. Teams like the Rangers win by hoarding their prospects and staying young. ESPN ranked the Rangers farm system #1 in the big leagues during the past off-season. Teams like the Yankees can afford to hemorrhage their future because they can buy talent in free agency, the Rangers aren't ever going to be a team with a $200 million payroll. The Rangers will get into trouble if they have the same mentality that you do. They could have greatly improved their rotation for the remainder of this season, kept Smoak, and greatly improved their rotation for next season as well.

[thestud]

So... adding Roy Oswalt wouldn't help the Rangers at all this year? I didn't realize he sucked so bad.

That is most definitely NOT the only thing that matters. The Rangers don't have deep pockets and they aren't ever going to have truly deep pockets. Teams like the Rangers win by hoarding their prospects and staying young. ESPN ranked the Rangers farm system #1 in the big leagues during the past off-season. Teams like the Yankees can afford to hemorrhage their future because they can buy talent in free agency, the Rangers aren't ever going to be a team with a $200 million payroll. The Rangers will get into trouble if they have the same mentality that you do. They could have greatly improved their rotation for the remainder of this season, kept Smoak, and greatly improved their rotation for next season as well.

good job going back and editing your post. Now where to begin with this abomination?

The Rangers have had been at or near the top of the farm system rankings for several years now, and this is the first season they've made a run at the pennant in awhile.
What the hell are we talking payroll for?


You are entitled to your opinion, but if you think Roy > Lee then you have no business talking baseball with anyone. ever.
Let's review good baseball business

-ERA this season
Lee- 2.51
Oswalt- 3.46
-Complete Games
Lee- 7
Oswalt -1
-Strikeouts
Lee- 118
Oswalt- 126
-Innings Pitched
Lee- 147
Oswalt- 137
-Earned Runs
Lee- 41
Oswalt- 53
-Walks
Lee- 9
Oswalt- 38

Sure looks like Roy would have been the better choice to me :rolleyes:

[15Adragon]

I think the Rangers were after Roy until they hit him in Arlington like a batting practice pitcher. After that game you didn't hear his name mentioned much.