Big 14 ???

[Mad Hatter]

I read on some other foums about the big 12 expanding possiable to 14 teams....while this is just a rumor it does pose an interesting Question.

Which 2 teams ?

Maybe Colorado ST or Iowa even thought there in the big 10(11) but since the big 10 acctually has 11 schools maybe that would work.

NO who comes to the Big 12 south? TCU,Rice,Houston ???

WHat do u guys think.

[SeguinMatadors]

I read on some other foums about the big 12 expanding possiable to 14 teams....while this is just a rumor it does pose an interesting Question.

Which 2 teams ?

Maybe Colorado ST or Iowa even thought there in the big 10(11) but since the big 10 acctually has 11 schools maybe that would work.

NO who comes to the Big 12 south? TCU,Rice,Houston ???

WHat do u guys think.

Texas State could move into the CUSA and be D1 if TCU came into the big 12. No to Rice.

[SeguinMatadors]

Heck, might as well move Texas State into the BIG 12!:D Just kidding guys... I know they do not have the facilities to be a Big 12 squad.

[TechGuy07]

Both CSU and TCU would have problems adjusting to the speed of the game and trouble recruiting, IMO.

See Tech's 70-35 drubbing of TCU 2 seasons ago.

[SeguinMatadors]

Both CSU and TCU would have problems adjusting to the speed of the game and trouble recruiting, IMO.

See Tech's 70-35 drubbing of TCU 2 seasons ago.

At first yes... but being a big 12 school will even the playing field somewhat over time. They may never become a power but they would become competitive...

[Firebird]

First of all, please tell us where they are discussing this. Is it something semi-serious, or just forum rumor mill stuff.

No way would Iowa ever leave the Big 10, they have a history and are a competitive team. It would be at best a lateral move for them. Colorado St would be an OK candidate.

TCU would be the only Texas choice worth considering, but they are a pretender. They can attract semi-decent recruits now, but after a few years of getting the CRAP beaten out of them by UT, OU, Tech, and other Big 12 heavies they would fall to Baylor level. Ironically, playing in a weaker conference helped their program, because they get to look good against weak teams. When Baylor joined the Big 12 they were light years ahead of TCU, but losing to Big 12 teams hurt them. But remember Tech's 70-35 shellacking of TCU two years ago, which should have put to bed forever their aspirations to the true big time. Yes, they beat OU when OU was playing terrible football, but they also lost to SMU. The OU game was a fluky deal.

I think the Big 12 needs to stay "12" for a while. The conference has taken some hits in recent years, and adding two mediocre at best teams will not help the conference repuatation at all.

[Firebird]

See, Seguin, I think it would be the opposite. Look at Baylor, playing year in year out in the Big 12 hasn't leveled the playing field at all. TCU reaps the benefits of winning seasons in a weaker conference, those recruits will stay away if TCU had losing seasons, just like at Baylor.

[SeguinMatadors]

If I were a recruit I think I would rather go to a bad big 12 school and try to help turn it around (as Baylor seems to be doing.... at least a little) than to a good CUSA school.

[SeguinMatadors]

See, Seguin, I think it would be the opposite. Look at Baylor, playing year in year out in the Big 12 hasn't leveled the playing field at all. TCU reaps the benefits of winning seasons in a weaker conference, those recruits will stay away if TCU had losing seasons, just like at Baylor.

I see a lot of improvement in Baylor over the past couple of seasons... they are right there in some games.. they just need to get over that hump.

[Firebird]

Nevertheless, TCU's recruiting classes have gotten better since the old SWC split up, while Baylors have gotten worse. Most recruits want to win more than get their tails beaten, even in the Big 12.

Plus, look at how long Baylor took to build back to where they can even talk about getting over the hump. They were a decent SWC school, but looked terrible in the Big 12 once they didn't get to play TCU, SMU, Rice, Houston in conference play. It has been 10 years since they had a winning season, it would have been unheard of in the SWC era. TCU would be foolish to jump into the Big 12, especially now that it is easier for non elite conference teams to make BCS bowls. They have a good thing going now in C-USA.

[CKE]

See, Seguin, I think it would be the opposite. Look at Baylor, playing year in year out in the Big 12 hasn't leveled the playing field at all. TCU reaps the benefits of winning seasons in a weaker conference, those recruits will stay away if TCU had losing seasons, just like at Baylor.

thats just because baylor is the worst school in the world EVER. they will never be able to change and the bring in talent to e wasted i.e. Joe pawelek. he should have go to a good college now its just a waste

[lonny23]

I don't see them adding 2 teams right now. Here are the best candidates:

Colorado State- They have a good program and CU is already in the conference.

Air Force- They have facilities, but face a huge recruiting disadvantage. Moving would open more doors to get some good recruits, but I fear they would have a losing record almost every year.

TCU- Another Mountain West team. They have improved their status by playing in weaker conferences.

Houston- As always, a sleeping giant. UH always has a chance to take off as a program and just hasn't done it yet.

[CLFalcon2006]

This probbly won't happen at all and is just a rumor but if they were to add s more teams to the big 12 i would add Colorado st in the north and Houston in the south.

TCU has just moved into CUSA and Rice and Tx St are nowhere near big confrence play. Houston got screwed when the SWC broke up and all the big schools went Big 12 and they were left with CUSA. They have the history and the potential to be a good team in a major confrence.

Colorado St is the only real choice i see in the north. Iowa wont leave, there deeply embeded in the big 10.

[lonny23]

This probbly won't happen at all and is just a rumor but if they were to add s more teams to the big 12 i would add Colorado st in the north and Houston in the south.

TCU has just moved into CUSA and Rice and Tx St are nowhere near big confrence play. Houston got screwed when the SWC broke up and all the big schools went Big 12 and they were left with CUSA. They have the history and the potential to be a good team in a major confrence.

Colorado St is the only real choice i see in the north. Iowa wont leave, there deeply embeded in the big 10.
I can tell you right now that UT and A&M want no part of UH in the Big 12. They'd start losing recruits to the Cougars that they can steal out of Houston all the time now. Did any of you guys notice that UT and A&M made sure they left out the Houston and Dallas schools so they can steal the best players? There's a reason why. I'd love another chance to take down the Big 2 and that's why I like Tech as much as I do now. They kept Houston out of the SWC as long as they could before the 70's.

[Dawg Fan]

thats just because baylor is the worst school in the world EVER. they will never be able to change and the bring in talent to e wasted i.e. Joe pawelek. he should have go to a good college now its just a waste

That is probably the most stupid post I have seen in a long time. Baylor may have a struggling football team but "the worst school in the world EVER"? You would be very fortunate to receive a degree from that University.:rolleyes:

[SeguinMatadors]

That is probably the most stupid post I have seen in a long time. Baylor may have a struggling football team but "the worst school in the world EVER"? You would be very fortunate to receive a degree from that University.:rolleyes:

Not trying to diss my boy Coolestkidever... but Baylor is a fine school... I am considering bypassing UT and going there. It is beautiful.

[TechGuy07]

CSU, could be competetive in the North for 2 years and then they would become the new Kansas...win their OOC, and 1 Con. game and them lose out. It is hard to recruit there and CU, despite their problems, is still the premier school in that state.

TCU, has done exactly what everybody said. They were competitive 3-4 years in the SWC and past that never really did anything special. Their recruiting is still weak, but better than the past. They would probably play have to play Tech, UT, OU, and hell I bet aTm and OSU could take them. This years OU game was a fluke. Another thing to look at; the Big 12 won't take a school with their attendance record. Their stadium seats maybe 12K, and the last time Texas Tech played TCU there, Tech was at least 75% of that crowd.

Look at this years recruiting class to TCU as an example. They had 19 recruits and were ranked 73 according to Scout.com...BYU out-recruited them. They only had 4 3* and 15 2* (4 of which were JUCO). Even winning the MWC and Houston Bowl didn't help them this year in recruiting...maybe a little next year, but they'll be lucky to go 8-4 next season.

IMO, the Big 12 would be better off with Houston, but they still aren't really "deserving" of being in the B12. They play in a larger venue and the recruiting draw would be better. The teams get a game in Houston every other year and that obviously increases exposure down there. But again, like TCU, they have poor crowds (even when they played Miami) and their recruiting classes are on par with TCU.

[jtk1519]

Houston has been fighting to get in the Big XII for a long time. They would be the first logical choice, but I don’t think anybody in the Big XII wants them.

I wouldn't count on TCU because I doubt TCU would even want to come to the Big XII where they would actually have to play somebody. Remember, they left what was at the time, a very decent WAC conference so they could play in the much easier MWC. TCU has no interest in trying to compete.

The old SWC team that nobody has mentioned here, but rumor has it are trying to get in the Big XII is Arkansas. The pigs don't have quite the history in the SEC and there is a line of thought that says they would have an easier time competing in the Big XII. They haven't been able to recruit the entire South East US like they thought they would, but they still can pick up some good recruits in Texas. Playing in the Big XII would only help them.

The final thing to consider is that Mizzou still wants out of the Big XII and in to the Big 10. If the Big XII were to expand, they would probably have to add three teams because I think Mizzou would use the chance to bolt. However, I don't think the Big XII will expand. I think Mizzou is likely to leave and Arkansas is likely to take their place which would cause a shift in the Big XII. One team, like OK State, would have to go North or the Big XII would have to change to an East/West alignment. Just a thought.

[Mad Hatter]

What about schools like New Mexico and LSU......i doubt LSU would want to leave the SEC where there one of the elite programs but it would make the big12 south hella awesome. I think TCU could compete in the big 12 but thats just my opinion.

[TechGuy07]

E/W would cause a problem because you would have to split up the Texas schools.

W = Tech, CU, KU, KSU, Baylor, Nebraska
E = aTm, UT, ISU, OU, OSU, Mizzou

I think we kinda need to stick with a N/S system.

UTEP is getting stronger and I think would be more acceptable to the entire B12 than either Houston, TCU, or North Texas.

I agree with jtk about the next North school being Arky. I've heard a lot of fans of the 'Backs saying they want to be in the B12 even though I think they wouldn't be near as competitive as Mizzou (and thats saying something).

[yankee]

CSU, could be competetive in the North for 2 years and then they would become the new Kansas...win their OOC, and 1 Con. game and them lose out. It is hard to recruit there and CU, despite their problems, is still the premier school in that state.

TCU, has done exactly what everybody said. They were competitive 3-4 years in the SWC and past that never really did anything special. Their recruiting is still weak, but better than the past. They would probably play have to play Tech, UT, OU, and hell I bet aTm and OSU could take them. This years OU game was a fluke. Another thing to look at; the Big 12 won't take a school with their attendance record. Their stadium seats maybe 12K, and the last time Texas Tech played TCU there, Tech was at least 75% of that crowd.
Look at this years recruiting class to TCU as an example. They had 19 recruits and were ranked 73 according to Scout.com...BYU out-recruited them. They only had 4 3* and 15 2* (4 of which were JUCO). Even winning the MWC and Houston Bowl didn't help them this year in recruiting...maybe a little next year, but they'll be lucky to go 8-4 next season.

IMO, the Big 12 would be better off with Houston, but they still aren't really "deserving" of being in the B12. They play in a larger venue and the recruiting draw would be better. The teams get a game in Houston every other year and that obviously increases exposure down there. But again, like TCU, they have poor crowds (even when they played Miami) and their recruiting classes are on par with TCU.
i imagine you are talking about tcu here. first off amon carter seats 46,000 according to worldstadiums.com. second off, average attendance for tcu was well over 25,000 which is not very good, but better than alot of teams. and lastly, you cant blame the fans. the teams tcu play are not exactly what you would call "top notch" brigham young, wyoming,army, unlv,smu. if tcu played teams like ou, osu, texas tech, or ut, attendance would skyrocket. so i dont think attendance will be much of a problem.

[CKE]

That is probably the most stupid post I have seen in a long time. Baylor may have a struggling football team but "the worst school in the world EVER"? You would be very fortunate to receive a degree from that University.:rolleyes:

for some reason ever time someone says something that people dont like the say it is the most stupid post ever:rolleyes:

and no i would rather be a homeless person ont he street than receive a degree from baylor

[SeguinMatadors]

for some reason ever time someone says something that people dont like the say it is the most stupid post ever:rolleyes:

and no i would rather be a homeless person ont he street than receive a degree from baylor

lol!

[CKE]

Not trying to diss my boy Coolestkidever... but Baylor is a fine school... I am considering bypassing UT and going there. It is beautiful.


another fine young mind wasted. dont do it seguin life has better things for you than to go to some crapy school like Baylor

[yankee]

for some reason ever time someone says something that people dont like the say it is the most stupid post ever:rolleyes:

and no i would rather be a homeless person ont he street than receive a degree from baylor
baylor is a pretty good school IMO. i wouldnt go there, but if it was between street or college, id have to take baylor. but of course, you are entitled to your opinion.

[TechGuy07]

i imagine you are talking about tcu here. first off amon carter seats 46,000 according to worldstadiums.com. second off, average attendance for tcu was well over 25,000 which is not very good, but better than alot of teams. and lastly, you cant blame the fans. the teams tcu play are not exactly what you would call "top notch" brigham young, wyoming,army, unlv,smu. if tcu played teams like ou, osu, texas tech, or ut, attendance would skyrocket. so i dont think attendance will be much of a problem.

OK. I didn't bother to go look up the numbers, but I was at that TCU game 2 years ago and there was at least 2x more Red than there was purple and that is definately no exaggeration.

I also heard that the Houston Bowl was not that full, which is a huge Bowl for a team from the MWC...so who knows.

[Texasfrog]

OK. I didn't bother to go look up the numbers, but I was at that TCU game 2 years ago and there was at least 2x more Red than there was purple and that is definately no exaggeration.

I also heard that the Houston Bowl was not that full, which is a huge Bowl for a team from the MWC...so who knows.

I was at this years Cotton Bowl (Tech vs Bama) and I totally impressed by the huge number of Tech fans. I think 65% of the stadium was Raiders. Some great fans that come out to support.

PS. Tech let me down in that game. I was pulling for them bigtime.

Also... dont see the Big-12 going to 14 teams anytime soon.

To the dudes knocking Baylor. Baylor is a great school that has turned out a lot great people and is slowly turning their football program around. I see them being competitive and actually making some of the lower tier Bowl games (maybe this coming season) and I wont be surprised to see them pull a major upset pretty soon (next couple of seasons). Plus, they compete pretty good in many other sports (baseball, track and basketball).

[Reaganrattler07]

for some reason ever time someone says something that people dont like the say it is the most stupid post ever:rolleyes:

and no i would rather be a homeless person ont he street than receive a degree from baylor

That's a pretty low thing to say......course I guess the guy with the degree would be the one that throws change at you lying on the ground outside a mall.

[CKE]

That's a pretty low thing to say......course I guess the guy with the degree would be the one that throws change at you lying on the ground outside a mall.

just the truth i hate that school

[Reaganrattler07]

just the truth i hate that school

Just cause you hate it doesn't mean it's bad.

[CKE]

Just cause you hate it doesn't mean it's bad.

sure it does lol j/k

[Reaganrattler07]

sure it does lol j/k

I have a question for you, coolestkid, where in San Antonio are you? And what school are you associated with? (this is just an off-topic question, I don't think there's anymore to say about Baylor)

[CKE]

I have a question for you, coolestkid, where in San Antonio are you? And what school are you associated with? (this is just an off-topic question, I don't think there's anymore to say about Baylor)


i went to sv im just north of sa in spring branch

[Reaganrattler07]

i went to sv im just north of sa in spring branch

Alright then.

[jtk1519]

Another thought... if Arkie joins the Big XII and Mizzou leaves, Arkie could go North, or stay South and rekindle a lot of old rivalries. The Big XII could then send Oklahoma North. That would help balance the power between the two divisions and rekindle and instant mega-rivalry in Oklahoma/Nebraska. The Texas/Oklahoma game could still go on. It's starting to look like the Red River Shootout will be going to a home and home series :mad: which would make moving OU North that much easier.

BTW, I second the UTEP thought, but something tells me the other schools might not like the idea of The University of Texas system getting another school in the conference. It could be perceived as a power move on behalf of the UT system. However, UTEP could compete better than Houston in my opinion. I'm telling you guys, TCU wants no part of a legit conference. They would join the Sunbelt Conference if they could. TCU wants to roll up huge records by beating weak teams and then whine because they aren't given respect in hopes that one day they will go undefeated in that weak conference and whine their way into a BCS bowl. They don't want the rest of the state's major teams getting that much play in the Metroplex and screwing with their recruiting. TCU wants no part of the Big XII.

[Mad Hatter]

SO we all like Arkie and for sake of time lets say the go to the south now what team do we steal to the north?

What about Tulane or Tulsa ? throwing out ideas here....boise State ?

[dragons08]

I read on some other foums about the big 12 expanding possiable to 14 teams....while this is just a rumor it does pose an interesting Question.

Which 2 teams ?

Maybe Colorado ST or Iowa even thought there in the big 10(11) but since the big 10 acctually has 11 schools maybe that would work.

NO who comes to the Big 12 south? TCU,Rice,Houston ???

WHat do u guys think.
colorado st is not in the big 10

[SeguinMatadors]

colorado st is not in the big 10

He was talking about Iowa

[dragons08]

He was talking about Iowa
alright, i wasnt sure if he was refering to both being in the big 10, so i was just making sure, one way or the other

[Firebird]

I think geographically, the Big 12 has expanded to just about as big at it is going to be without accepting programs that are going to water down the league. Boise St. has had an impressive run, but lets wait to see how they do without Dan Hawkins before we proclaim them Big 12 worthy. Tulane's very existence is shaky, and Tulsa is like a lesser version of TCU-- they just can't hang with the big boys. I agree with Lonny, UT and A&M (Tech too) want NO PART of UH in the Big 12. The memory of powerhouse top 10 "Cougar High" programs is still fresh in their minds. UTEP is right now a contender, but they are only 2 years removed from football hell, and who knows how long they will be able to keep Mike Price around.

Arkansas would be a somewhat legitamate choice, and if Mizzou bolted, I would see no problem in putting Arkie in the north and just having them travel. The league isn't going to split the tow Okie schools into two different divisions. In reality, though, I don't see the Big 10 expanding to include Mizzou. The Big 10 would only consider expanding for ONE school in the nation, and they wear gold helmets and play in South Bend, Indiana. Mizzou just doesn't bring anything to the table for the Big 10.

The Big 12 has a pretty good thing going right now, there just aren't any minor conference teams worth adding to the roster.

[CLFalcon2006]

I think geographically, the Big 12 has expanded to just about as big at it is going to be without accepting programs that are going to water down the league. Boise St. has had an impressive run, but lets wait to see how they do without Dan Hawkins before we proclaim them Big 12 worthy. Tulane's very existence is shaky, and Tulsa is like a lesser version of TCU-- they just can't hang with the big boys. I agree with Lonny, UT and A&M (Tech too) want NO PART of UH in the Big 12. The memory of powerhouse top 10 "Cougar High" programs is still fresh in their minds. UTEP is right now a contender, but they are only 2 years removed from football hell, and who knows how long they will be able to keep Mike Price around.

Arkansas would be a somewhat legitamate choice, and if Mizzou bolted, I would see no problem in putting Arkie in the north and just having them travel. The league isn't going to split the tow Okie schools into two different divisions. In reality, though, I don't see the Big 10 expanding to include Mizzou. The Big 10 would only consider expanding for ONE school in the nation, and they wear gold helmets and play in South Bend, Indiana. Mizzou just doesn't bring anything to the table for the Big 10.

The Big 12 has a pretty good thing going right now, there just aren't any minor conference teams worth adding to the roster.

My thoughts to, I don't think anything is gonna change. Tulane and Rice are contemplating the exsistence of Football in their schools, they are nowhere near trying to get into a BCS confrence. Boise St would throw the geography way off, besides its just not a Big 12 school. LSU is going to remain in the SEC, and it probably always will. Tulsa is not a Big 12 school.

If the Big 12 were to expand to the big 14 (in a scenario where Missou leaves for Big 10 and Arkansas is ready to go Big 12) the most efficent thing to do would be to add Arkansas to the south, move Oklahoma to the north (OU vs Nebraska every year, Arkansas vs Texas every year). You could also put Arkansas directly in the north (no OU move) and add either TCU, UTEP, or UH to the south roster.

If Mizzou wants to stay and Arkansas is going to reamin in the SEC (most likley scenario) then Colorado St will have to be added to the North (only real option...) and the south will have to choose between TCU, UH, and UTEP.

The real decsion is who do the Big 12 guys pick, UTEP, Houston, or TCU

UTEP is elimintaed 1st. It doesn't have the draw power, or the history to back up a selection by a BCS confrence. I believe some one said earlier that it was only 2 or 3 years ago when they were in football hell. The other schools don't want a UT affiliate in the confrence. Even though El Paso is in Texas, it is still very far away from everything else (remeber El Paso is closer to LA than it is to Houston...)

Now all thats left is a toss up between TCU and Houston. TCU is experiencing success now but it is playing BYU and whyoming. Remember 2 years ago when the country was pulling for unbeaten TCU to beat like SMU or something and ESPN was there so that the BCS would be screwed, and they lost, badly. TCU however is the school the Texas guys would vote for because they all fear the sleeping monster in Houston. UH has expencied tremendous success at all levels of sports wheter it be football (Andre Ware anyone?), basketball (Phi Slamma Jamma, Arizona and LSU earlier this year even), Baseball (always dangerous, Houston is a gold mine of baseball prospects), even track (Carl Lewis can't sing but he sure can run). UH makes sense on a competitive level and it would be better for the confrence as a whole if it was accepted but I'm not sure if it can get past the Texas schools voting block.

Still Big 14 is probably nothing more than a rumor. If it did happen the best choice would be Colroado St in the North and Houston in the south.

[TechGuy07]

Another thought... if Arkie joins the Big XII and Mizzou leaves, Arkie could go North, or stay South and rekindle a lot of old rivalries. The Big XII could then send Oklahoma North. That would help balance the power between the two divisions and rekindle and instant mega-rivalry in Oklahoma/Nebraska. The Texas/Oklahoma game could still go on. It's starting to look like the Red River Shootout will be going to a home and home series :mad: which would make moving OU North that much easier.

BTW, I second the UTEP thought, but something tells me the other schools might not like the idea of The University of Texas system getting another school in the conference. It could be perceived as a power move on behalf of the UT system. However, UTEP could compete better than Houston in my opinion. I'm telling you guys, TCU wants no part of a legit conference. They would join the Sunbelt Conference if they could. TCU wants to roll up huge records by beating weak teams and then whine because they aren't given respect in hopes that one day they will go undefeated in that weak conference and whine their way into a BCS bowl. They don't want the rest of the state's major teams getting that much play in the Metroplex and screwing with their recruiting. TCU wants no part of the Big XII.

I agree with everything you just said...however, moving OU north wouldn't make as much sense from a logistical standpoint as moving Okie State to the North. Stillwater is only about an hour or so away from Kansas and about 2 hrs. or less South of Lawrence.

But I get what you're saying about the balance of power and rivalries. I just think a) Arkansas needs to go North, despite the old SWC and b) UNM could be the South team as well and still pull up the old SWC stuff, only not nearly as intense.

[Dawg Fan]

for some reason ever time someone says something that people dont like the say it is the most stupid post ever:rolleyes:

and no i would rather be a homeless person ont he street than receive a degree from baylor


Well after reading some of your posts its painfully obvious you aren't college material anyway. You have to be able to spell and actually use grammer to get into college. I think that goal you have of being homeless is attainable and your username with the word "kid" explains it all. It was a stupid post:rolleyes:

[SeguinMatadors]

Well (Missing comma)after reading some of your posts(Missing comma) its(missing apostrophe) painfully obvious you aren't college material anyway. You have to be able to spell and actually use grammer (Misspelled word) to get into college. I think that goal you have of being homeless is attainable and your username (Missing comma) with the word "kid" (Missing comma)explains it all. It was a stupid post:rolleyes:

Irony just kicked your ***.:p Don't insult my buddy about his grammar and spelling while incorrectly spelling grammar and having plenty of grammatical errors. Who isn't college material?:rolleyes:

[CKE]

Well after reading some of your posts its painfully obvious you aren't college material anyway. You have to be able to spell and actually use grammer to get into college. I think that goal you have of being homeless is attainable and your username with the word "kid" explains it all. It was a stupid post:rolleyes:

ummmmm does utsa not count as a college? and sorry i get lazy on a computer talking to morons like you. next time i'll write a rough draft, then edit it, then write my final draft. just so i can make your meaningless life a little happier:rolleyes:

[CKE]

Irony just kicked your ***.:p Don't insult my buddy about his grammar and spelling while incorrectly spelling grammar and having plenty of grammatical errors. Who isn't college material?:rolleyes:

LMAO that was to good

[Mad Hatter]

ha :p

[Dawg Fan]

Irony just kicked your ***.:p Don't insult my buddy about his grammar and spelling while incorrectly spelling grammar and having plenty of grammatical errors. Who isn't college material?:rolleyes:

Boy, you are really good at this. I am just devastated that a couple of kids got their feelings hurt.:rolleyes: How will I go on?;)

[CKE]

Boy, you are really good at this. I am just devastated that a couple of kids got their feelings hurt.:rolleyes: How will I go on?;)

lol i knew he wouldn't think of something to say to a couple of KIDS. Im glad our college education is doing something for us seguin. I'm glad our country has something better to look forward to other than a guy that cant think of something to say to us BOYS

[SeguinMatadors]

Boy, you are really good at this. I am just devastated that a couple of kids got their feelings hurt.:rolleyes: How will I go on?;)

lol.. excuse me... I am still laughing from earlier.

[CKE]

lol.. excuse me... I am still laughing from earlier.

lol i know and he still has yet to respond to us KIDS

[Lufkin_Class_Of_08]

Tulane and Rice are contemplating the exsistence of Football in their schools
I think the Rice football is staying for a while..as is all the other sports...rice baseball is keeping the program alive and in a way golf, swimming, and tennis (not power sports but at a school like rice,they make money)...but getting rid of ken "holdback" hatfield helped the athletic program...and the fact that we are turning into soutlake carroll south :D

[Dawg Fan]

lol i know and he still has yet to respond to us KIDS

How would you like me to respond? Your posts about Baylor are stupid, plain and simple. Your attempts to be funny and superior are weak. You act like kids so I will treat you that way. When you say something that has merit I will acknowledge it. I am not the one who gets upset and calls names. That my friend is just childish. I don't wish you or your Seguin buddy any ill will and I am not the least bit intimidated by either of you. Give me your best shot. BTW I lived in Seguin for a few years in the mid eighties. How is the town doing? I really liked living by the river and playing golf at Starke Park. It was a great little town and I miss it.

[SeguinMatadors]

How would you like me to respond? Your posts about Baylor are stupid, plain and simple. Your attempts to be funny and superior are weak. You act like kids so I will treat you that way. When you say something that has merit I will acknowledge it. I am not the one who gets upset and calls names. That my friend is just childish. I don't wish you or your Seguin buddy any ill will and I am not the least bit intimidated by either of you. Give me your best shot. BTW I lived in Seguin for a few years in the mid eighties. How is the town doing? I really liked living by the river and playing golf at Starke Park. It was a great little town and I miss it.

Anyone who lived in Seguin is alright in my book. The town has really gotten better over the past couple of years in my eyes. A lot of the violence issues seemed to die down with the 90's. It has been cleaned up and it is starting to grow. I personally lived in McQueeney... great location... New Braunfels was right there (my favorite place) and so was San Marcos and SA. I miss it too... I can't wait until this semester of college is over so I can go spend my summer there again. What did you live in Seguin for?

[CKE]

How would you like me to respond? Your posts about Baylor are stupid, plain and simple. Your attempts to be funny and superior are weak. You act like kids so I will treat you that way. When you say something that has merit I will acknowledge it. I am not the one who gets upset and calls names. That my friend is just childish. I don't wish you or your Seguin buddy any ill will and I am not the least bit intimidated by either of you. Give me your best shot. BTW I lived in Seguin for a few years in the mid eighties. How is the town doing? I really liked living by the river and playing golf at Starke Park. It was a great little town and I miss it.

lol well thats good that you have finally got the will power to not resopond to us. i bet that was a big step in life for you. and who said i got upset? you tried to correct my GRAMMAR and made yourself look like a moron. thats not getting upset thats stating facts



P.S. i hope you have a wonderful night my o so knowledgeable elder sir

[CKE]

Anyone who lived in Seguin is alright in my book. The town has really gotten better over the past couple of years in my eyes. A lot of the violence issues seemed to die down with the 90's. It has been cleaned up and it is starting to grow. I personally lived in McQueeney... great location... New Braunfels was right there (my favorite place) and so was San Marcos and SA. I miss it too... I can't wait until this semester of college is over so I can go spend my summer there again. What did you live in Seguin for?

TLU still smells funky though lol:p

[Dawg Fan]

Anyone who lived in Seguin is alright in my book. The town has really gotten better over the past couple of years in my eyes. A lot of the violence issues seemed to die down with the 90's. It has been cleaned up and it is starting to grow. I personally lived in McQueeney... great location... New Braunfels was right there (my favorite place) and so was San Marcos and SA. I miss it too... I can't wait until this semester of college is over so I can go spend my summer there again. What did you live in Seguin for?


I am in the Oil business and had an office in Luling. Ever eat at the City Market in Luling? Damn that was good!!!! Almost bought a house on Mcqueeny. Man I loved that area. Great place to Jet Ski. I lived by the country club in Seguin. The people there were great. My kids went to daycare at the Little Red Schoolhouse. When I was there the HEB and Taco Bell were brand new. LOL

[SeguinMatadors]

I am in the Oil business and had an office in Luling. Ever eat at the City Market in Luling? Damn that was good!!!! Almost bought a house on Mcqueeny. Man I loved that area. Great place to Jet Ski. I lived by the country club in Seguin. The people there were great. My kids went to daycare at the Little Red Schoolhouse. When I was there the HEB and Taco Bell were brand new. LOL

lol! I went to daycare at the little red schoolhouse... how old are your kids? The HEB and Tacobell were new? Geez, that is before my time. Yes, the City Market in luling is still there as far as I know... outstanddinggg. Taco Bell and HEB are still there too... they moved the Wal Mart though... about 10 years ago.

[Dawg Fan]

lol! I went to daycare at the little red schoolhouse... how old are your kids? The HEB and Tacobell were new? Geez, that is before my time. Yes, the City Market in luling is still there as far as I know... outstanddinggg. Taco Bell and HEB are still there too... they moved the Wal Mart though... about 10 years ago.

My kids attended the Little Red School House from 1989 to 1991

[CLFalcon2006]

I am in the Oil business and had an office in Luling. Ever eat at the City Market in Luling? Damn that was good!!!! Almost bought a house on Mcqueeny. Man I loved that area. Great place to Jet Ski. I lived by the country club in Seguin. The people there were great. My kids went to daycare at the Little Red Schoolhouse. When I was there the HEB and Taco Bell were brand new. LOL

I would do anything for Luling bbq right now, that was pretty much the only highlight of last years trip to the sv-cl semi final game in san antonio

[SeguinMatadors]

I would do anything for Luling bbq right now, that was pretty much the only highlight of last years trip to the sv-cl semi final game in san antonio

Man, I want some too. :( I went there with my mom over Christmas break... outstanding sausage.

[CLFalcon2006]

Man, I want some too. :( I went there with my mom over Christmas break... outstanding sausage.

Is it bad that i'm drooling?

I'm think a late weeknight road trip, be thankful your only like 20 minutes away Seguin, I have to plan an entire day around food so i can eat at luling:mad:

[SeguinMatadors]

Is it bad that i'm drooling?

I'm think a late weeknight road trip, be thankful your only like 20 minutes away Seguin, I have to plan an entire day around food so i can eat at luling:mad:

I actually live in Helotes now... but I am in Seguin every other weekend! I can't eat that stuff anymore.. I am trying to eat healthy.:( :mad:

[CKE]

I would do anything for Luling bbq right now, that was pretty much the only highlight of last years trip to the sv-cl semi final game in san antonio

Only highlight :eek: are you kidding yall played a great game that game was full of highlights

[CLFalcon2006]

Only highlight :eek: are you kidding yall played a great game that game was full of highlights

That season was full of highlights. I couldn't ask any more from those guys they did the best anyone could have asked for. It's just after a game that close and a season where everything seems to fall into place all the dumb little things that held us back really got magnified which is a shame because it was such a good game. The ride home was so quiet and miserable though. However if you want proof that God works in mysteroius way then here it is, of all the places to get hungry we got hungry passing by exit to luling on I-10, one of my firneds metioned he heard the place had great bbq so we took the exit and it was worth it to say the elast.

[CKE]

That season was full of highlights. I couldn't ask any more from those guys they did the best anyone could have asked for. It's just after a game that close and a season where everything seems to fall into place all the dumb little things that held us back really got magnified which is a shame because it was such a good game. The ride home was so quiet and miserable though. However if you want proof that God works in mysteroius way then here it is, of all the places to get hungry we got hungry passing by exit to luling on I-10, one of my firneds metioned he heard the place had great bbq so we took the exit and it was worth it to say the elast.
ha try a 5 1/2 ride home from dallas after losing in the last 6 sec. of a state championship. well at least yall got good B-B-Q

[Dawg Fan]

ha try a 5 1/2 ride home from dallas after losing in the last 6 sec. of a state championship. well at least yall got good B-B-Q



I can relate:( 6 hours in 02 after losing to Judson in the last 17 seconds. Longest ride of my life. I was hoping a deer would run out in front of my truck so I could run over it. Nobody talked the whole trip.

[Dawg Fan]

Man, I want some too. :( I went there with my mom over Christmas break... outstanding sausage.

What I wouldn't give for some of those sausage rings right now with that killer yellow BBQ sauce. DAMN!!!!!!!!

[CKE]

I can relate:( 6 hours in 02 after losing to Judson in the last 17 seconds. Longest ride of my life. I was hoping a deer would run out in front of my truck so I could run over it. Nobody talked the whole trip.

yeah i know it sucks so bad. i remember that. that is one play that should not have happened. i hate turning on the news here in sa and seeing that play every day befor the sports cast comes on.

[Dawg Fan]

yeah i know it sucks so bad. i remember that. that is one play that should not have happened. i hate turning on the news here in sa and seeing that play every day befor the sports cast comes on.

It took a long time just to be able to close my eyes and not see it. On the other hand it will probably be the greatest play ever for those two Judson players (QB and receiver). That will be something they can always look back on and rejoice about.

[CKE]

It took a long time just to be able to close my eyes and not see it. On the other hand it will probably be the greatest play ever for those two Judson players (QB and receiver). That will be something they can always look back on and rejoice about.

proly the greatest play ever fot the school of judson. its just ashame that about 70-90 kids have to get there heart broken as well

[lonny23]

proly the greatest play ever fot the school of judson. its just ashame that about 70-90 kids have to get there heart broken as well
I'll never forget looking over and seeing Ryan Rowland (Midland QB) crying on the sideline because he was about to win a title and I can't tell you how happy I was to see Judson score that TD.

[Dawg Fan]

I'll never forget looking over and seeing Ryan Rowland (Midland QB) crying on the sideline because he was about to win a title and I can't tell you how happy I was to see Judson score that TD.

Talk about a quality young man, Ryan Rowland was it. I was hurting for him as much as anyone. He was always good to all the underclassmen and a great motivater and leader. He led a team that had not been in the playoffs in 50 years to the title game and came withing 17 seconds of winning it all. You know what is funny IMO about the last minute of that game was all we hear about out here was the defensive lapse in the last seconds that cost us a championship but if you look back to the touchdown MHS scored with 22 seconds left you will see the same lapse by the Judson defense on the Zack Sledge touchdown. Great game from start to finish and there was no quit in either team. I like to believe that it was not so much that we lost but we just ran out of time.

[Mad Hatter]

Talk about a quality young man, Ryan Rowland was it. I was hurting for him as much as anyone. He was always good to all the underclassmen and a great motivater and leader. He led a team that had not been in the playoffs in 50 years to the title game and came withing 17 seconds of winning it all. You know what is funny IMO about the last minute of that game was all we hear about out here was the defensive lapse in the last seconds that cost us a championship but if you look back to the touchdown MHS scored with 22 seconds left you will see the same lapse by the Judson defense on the Zack Sledge touchdown. Great game from start to finish and there was no quit in either team. I like to believe that it was not so much that we lost but we just ran out of time.

i think that had to be the only highschool game where everyone in the stadium wne through all the emotions the had in a 25 second span from when midland to judson winning

[CKE]

I like to believe that it was not so much that we lost but we just ran out of time.

I hear that