View Full Version : Rick Barnes telling it like it is
Firebird
03-05-2010, 03:31 PM
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/030410dnspoutitem.171ffcef7.html
"We would love to win a national championship, but we're not obsessed with it because we're obsessed with these guys trying to live their NBA dream.
The number one ranking that was stuck on you going into conference play called, and says this is why she left you for someone who cares more about her.
What's happened to Kevin Durant, LaMarcus Aldridge, T.J. Ford - I'd give up a national title for all our guys to be able to live their dream.
I hope you as sip fans know that Barnes is keeping it all in perspective. Not education. Not building character. Not even winning for you, the fan. No, it's his job to land shoe contracts for kids. These old fashioned values make you tear up inside.
Now, before everyone jumps on the "Fire Rick Barnes" bandwagon, remember he's the one behind Texas' rise to elite status in basketball.
He'd also be behind their plummet from number one to unranked. But hey, Horn fans....Damion James and Avery Bradley are projected to be first rounders, so that should make up for it, right? Who needs to win games?
F18mustang
03-05-2010, 03:33 PM
Some things are better left unsaid.
If I we're a recruit and I was looking at Texas I wouldn't like this at all. What ever happened to winning, and being a team? I wanna win, preferably a championship. Getting to the NBA is something that happens in the process.
farmerfan
03-05-2010, 03:34 PM
What is funny is Dickie V still has them ranked in his top 25 on ESPN. If they lose to Baylor that will be how many losses in x number of games since the number 1 ranking?
I have fun with my boy from home who was boasting about being number 1 in basketball and baseball back in Febuary.
dragonsdaddy
03-05-2010, 03:36 PM
Some things are better left unsaid.
If I we're a recruit and I was looking at Texas I wouldn't like this at all. What ever happened to winning, and being a team? I wanna win, preferably a championship. Getting to the NBA is something that happens in the process.
you obviously don't understand the by-laws of the nba minor league. you need to start loving you some you.
MEteam
F18mustang
03-05-2010, 03:39 PM
you obviously don't understand the by-laws of the nba minor league. you need to start loving you some you.
MEteam
I grew up a coaches kid. I know and value the importance of winning and the team. I couldn't imagine basketball being any different than football in that regard.
dragonsdaddy
03-05-2010, 03:46 PM
I grew up a coaches kid. I know and value the importance of winning and the team. I couldn't imagine basketball being any different than football in that regard.
that was then. we aren't in kansas anymore, dorothy.
Favpack
03-05-2010, 03:49 PM
Fire Rick - hire Bruce Pearl. Simply squint your eyes and the suits become burnt orange.
Seriously - Rick is done.
Favpack
03-05-2010, 03:49 PM
that was then. we aren't in kansas anymore, dorothy.
Stillwater?
dragonsdaddy
03-05-2010, 03:51 PM
Fire Rick - hire Bruce Pearl. Simply squint your eyes and the suits become burnt orange.
Seriously - Rick is done.
as a loud-mouthed dad at slc baseball games was wont to yell at opposing coaches heading to the mound to pull a floundering pitcher, "leave him in. he's doing fine."
F18mustang
03-05-2010, 03:52 PM
that was then. we aren't in kansas anymore, dorothy.
Excuse me then, I'll conform my values to yours. Standby.
dragonsdaddy
03-05-2010, 03:58 PM
Excuse me then, I'll conform my values to yours. Standby.
mine are probably as/more stringent than yours. i do, however hate tu more than you also, so his attitude is what i want to hear from all tu coaches. i can't wait for the spin meisters to start the process of blaming the media for taking the quote out of context. college b-ball coaches have gotten way behind the 8 ball of late. rb likely is not alone by any means in his thinking. most are too smart to tell the truth, though.
The number one ranking that was stuck on you going into conference play called, and says this is why she left you for someone who cares more about her.
I hope you as sip fans know that Barnes is keeping it all in perspective. Not education. Not building character. Not even winning for you, the fan. No, it's his job to land shoe contracts for kids. These old fashioned values make you tear up inside.
He'd also be behind their plummet from number one to unranked. But hey, Horn fans....Damion James and Avery Bradley are projected to be first rounders, so that should make up for it, right? Who needs to win games?
Very disappointing. Haven't seen a response form him, but I can't think of one that would make any sense.
Some things are better left unsaid.
If I we're a recruit and I was looking at Texas I wouldn't like this at all. What ever happened to winning, and being a team? I wanna win, preferably a championship. Getting to the NBA is something that happens in the process.
I think many if not most of the BBall recruits might actually like this line. As a fan, I do not.
Fire Rick - hire Bruce Pearl. Simply squint your eyes and the suits become burnt orange.
Seriously - Rick is done.
I could get on board with that.
mine are probably as/more stringent than yours. i do, however hate tu more than you also, so his attitude is what i want to hear from all tu coaches. i can't wait for the spin meisters to start the process of blaming the media for taking the quote out of context. college b-ball coaches have gotten way behind the 8 ball of late. rb likely is not alone by any means in his thinking. most are too smart to tell the truth, though.
No spin from me, the comments suck, and as I said before I can't think of any response that would make sense. I do agree, that the thought is probably prevalent, but he has to know when to say something like this.
F18mustang
03-05-2010, 04:05 PM
I think many if not most of the BBall recruits might actually like this line. As a fan, I do not.
I guess. But what happens when you go 7-23? Does is matter then too?
I guess. But what happens when you go 7-23? Does is matter then too?
If he's going 7-23 then he's not talking to the same recruits.
i hate the comment. but, without barnes, texas wouldn't be relevant enough for this comment to matter.
svhorns
03-05-2010, 10:10 PM
I don't mind this comment and I fully support Rick Barnes. Rick Barnes has done wonders for the University of Texas and is a very respectable person.
Point Made...
03-05-2010, 10:30 PM
So all the other programs, in every other conference, are made up of upstanding kids that were plucked from the streets to bestow their virtue of righteousness among the rest of us so that we can fulfill our fantasy of filling out our brackets next Sunday...:rolleyes:
Some of you guys really need to nut up.
F18mustang
03-05-2010, 10:33 PM
So all the other programs, in every other conference, are made up of upstanding kids that were plucked from the streets to bestow their virtue of righteousness among the rest of us that can't wait to fill out our brackets next Sunday...:rolleyes:
Some of you guys really need to nut up.
Nobody ever said that.
In the words of Herm Edwards, "You play to win the game."
I'm sorry if you think I need to nut up. It just my view on the situation. Respect it (or not).
twcpfan1
03-05-2010, 11:05 PM
I don't think you can dispute the validity or accuracy of the comments. All people are disputing is the decision and appropriateness of saying it out loud. The NCAA is nothing more than a farm system for pro sports. In basketball specifically, the only meaningful College game is Duke v Carolina. The rest of them are for pro recruiters to check out who the freshman studs are. It's not a unique situation. In some other countries the pro teams have a direct connection not to mention influence, to HS athletics.
svhorns
03-05-2010, 11:09 PM
I don't think you can dispute the validity or accuracy of the comments. All people are disputing is the decision and appropriateness of saying it out loud. The NCAA is nothing more than a farm system for pro sports. In basketball specifically, the only meaningful College game is Duke v Carolina. The rest of them are for pro recruiters to check out who the freshman studs are. It's not a unique situation. In some other countries the pro teams have a direct connection not to mention influence, to HS athletics.
The only meaningful tennis match is Federer vs Nadal.
twcpfan1
03-05-2010, 11:13 PM
The only meaningful tennis match is Federer vs Nadal.
I'll bet you can't in 5 seconds tell me who played in the NCAA title game 2 years ago.
svhorns
03-05-2010, 11:15 PM
I'll bet you can't in 5 seconds tell me who played in the NCAA title game 2 years ago.
Kansas won. I forgot who they played.
twcpfan1
03-05-2010, 11:17 PM
Kansas won. I forgot who they played.
Thanks for making my point.
Memphis.
svhorns
03-05-2010, 11:18 PM
Thanks for making my point.
Memphis.
At least I'm honest I could have looked it up.
twcpfan1
03-05-2010, 11:20 PM
At least I'm honest I could have looked it up.
Yep. Forget about 3 years ago. I can't even tell you who won.
F18mustang
03-05-2010, 11:22 PM
Yep. Forget about 3 years ago. I can't even tell you who won.
Florida and Ohio State
twcpfan1
03-05-2010, 11:27 PM
Florida and Ohio State
I'm sure that's right but I had no idea tOSU had even played in a NC game. And the only reason Florida is remembered is because they won the football championship the same year, right?
F18mustang
03-05-2010, 11:29 PM
I'm sure that's right but I had no idea tOSU had even played in a NC game. And the only reason Florida is remembered is because they won the football championship the same year, right?
Yeah, that and Joakim Noah and Al Horford going up against Greg Oden.
twcpfan1
03-05-2010, 11:34 PM
While what Rick Barnes said might be accurate or at least consistent with the way things actually are, I would not want somebody who would publicly make those statements be the face of the basketball program of one of this state's flagship universities. He's flat out telling you that he doesn't coach to win games but rather to ensure that his players become millionaires. Time for him to go.
GoOwls
03-05-2010, 11:49 PM
You don't throw out the baby with the bath water.
While his comments may be weird, I'm pretty sure I see what he means.
None the less, Rick Barnes IS Texas Basketball.....without him we were also rans who got booted from the tournament in the first round, maybe the second round every once in a while.
While the last month or two is depressing, it's not worth getting stuipd over. Obviously there is something wrong with the chemistry of the team....happens all the time in sports.....it's our turn right now.
twcpfan1
03-06-2010, 12:05 AM
You don't throw out the baby with the bath water.
While his comments may be weird, I'm pretty sure I see what he means.
None the less, Rick Barnes IS Texas Basketball.....without him we were also rans who got booted from the tournament in the first round, maybe the second round every once in a while.
While the last month or two is depressing, it's not worth getting stuipd over. Obviously there is something wrong with the chemistry of the team....happens all the time in sports.....it's our turn right now.
If Jodi Conradt is fireable, Rick Barnes definitely is as well.
You don't throw out the baby with the bath water.
While his comments may be weird, I'm pretty sure I see what he means.
None the less, Rick Barnes IS Texas Basketball.....without him we were also rans who got booted from the tournament in the first round, maybe the second round every once in a while.
While the last month or two is depressing, it's not worth getting stuipd over. Obviously there is something wrong with the chemistry of the team....happens all the time in sports.....it's our turn right now.
I agree with this.
Personally, I guess from my standpoint, I'd certainly prefer we actually care about winning games and I certainly wouldn't say what he said to the media.
yankee
03-06-2010, 02:45 AM
who got booted from the tournament in the first round, maybe the second round every once in a while.
so nothing's really changed. got it.
yallerjacket2
03-06-2010, 06:53 AM
i hate the comment. but, without barnes, texas wouldn't be relevant enough for this comment to matter.
I keep hearing people say this, but it seems like tu was pretty dang good before Barnes got there. Maybe Barnes has taken them to a little higher level but I wouldn't say they were irrelevant before he got there. I'm too lazy to look it up and compare Penders and Barnes, but I would bet Penders' record there compares pretty favorably.
I keep hearing people say this, but it seems like tu was pretty dang good before Barnes got there. Maybe Barnes has taken them to a little higher level but I wouldn't say they were irrelevant before he got there. I'm too lazy to look it up and compare Penders and Barnes, but I would bet Penders' record there compares pretty favorably.
penders...that's who coached at texas before barnes.
GoOwls
03-07-2010, 02:57 AM
so nothing's really changed. got it.
Well....yeah...it did change....we didn't make the tournament every year, but when we did, it was usually one-and-out.
Now we make the tourney every year and the occasional sweet 16, 8 and even a final 4.
so nothing's really changed. got it.
because coaching resumes are only 1 season long.
GridironJAC
03-19-2010, 03:12 AM
Well, so ended UT's 2009/2010 basketball Season tonight.
I didn't see any standouts, what I did see is a team that appeared lackadaisical in playing to win (at least half the game).
Sloppy defense, uncreative offense, it wasn't like the 'Horns didn't have time to study their opponent.
UT did manage to show bursts of energy (this is what made the game interesting) but obviously not enough to get the "W".
Perhaps next year will show enough promise for Ricky B. to coach an entire game/season. Maybe not.
Hook 'em 'Horns!
dragonsdaddy
03-19-2010, 07:05 AM
rb made it sound like he was disappointed in the teams performance yesterday. what, did their prospects not play well enough to keep their draft status? man, that's tough.
slorch
03-19-2010, 07:34 AM
It's Barnes' job to get that talent to perform. Talent means diddly if you have a bunch of individuals out there on the floor.
Getting those players to come to the 40 acres is just part of the job.
There is no doubt that Barnes has lifted the program to the point where folks expect an Elite 8 or better each season. That is Elite status, or on the precipice of being so. I neither envy Barnes, nor pity him. It is what it is, and the expectations are there because he has shown the ability to get great results prior to this season.
Disappointing is what comes to mind when I look at the Horns' results this season.
Favpack
03-19-2010, 07:46 AM
Proverbial rock and hard place. Rick completely lost this team. The fact they toyed with WF and still almost won tells you this is an Elite 8 team playing down to a top 90 team at best.
Conversely, he's a 5 star recruiter and that won't change under him. Wouldn't kill me to see Frank Martin coaching the boys in Austin.
Dawg Fan
03-19-2010, 07:58 AM
Wow, talk about a fall from greatness, #1 in January to a first round exit in the tournament. :eek:
When we were up by 8, I thought we had a chance. Four free throws missed cost us the chance to get blown out by Kentucky. Who would have guessed shooting from the line would finally seal our fate.
Dawg Fan
03-19-2010, 08:20 AM
I actually stayed up and watched the game thinking Texas had it won in OT but they have no heart and can't shoot a free throw. They would have been crushed by Kentucky.
twcpfan1
03-19-2010, 08:28 AM
The wheels fell off when James fouled out. Refs will call over the back on that play every time. Had WF kept possession, they would not have called it.
Point Made...
03-19-2010, 09:13 AM
“I think our guys stayed poised, but they didn’t always stay smart" Barnes said.
That's what I kept seeing over-and-over again this season.
With all the god-given talent assembled on this team, it seriously lacks the mentality of playing smart basketball...I have absolutely no faith in Brown and Lucas as leaders in the point guard position...:rolleyes:
drgnbkr
03-19-2010, 09:25 AM
What happened to Pittman? Was he hurt?
What happened to Pittman? Was he hurt?
No but he has lost a lot of weight since he got to Texas.
Favpack
03-19-2010, 09:50 AM
No but he has lost a lot of weight since he got to Texas.
Is that good? Are we fielding a ball team or the Biggest Loser? :)
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