Wagner High School

[NewSchool]

I am from the new school in the Jisd district. We are called Wagner High School, and I noticed that some of you were talking about us in a very positive manner. I appreciate this! I felt like it might be fun to join in the conversation. What do ya'll think our chances are, being that we are a new school and all? We do not have many seniors, are team will be almost all Juniors and Sophmores next year. I believe we have one of the best coaches in the state in Coach Gibbens, I think we will be alright.

[CKE]

I am from the new school in the Jisd district. We are called Wagner High School, and I noticed that some of you were talking about us in a very positive manner. I appreciate this! I felt like it might be fun to join in the conversation. What do ya'll think our chances are, being that we are a new school and all? We do not have many seniors, are team will be almost all Juniors and Sophmores next year. I believe we have one of the best coaches in the state in Coach Gibbens, I think we will be alright.


well yall are still judson kids and tend to always be good so i think yall will be just fine.

[KT2000]

Big brother Moses casts one hell of a shadow so it'll be interesting to see how Wagner develops.

I've heard there are good athletes feeding into Wagner. 26-5A isn't a great place to have to start varsity football, but I'm sure the trial by fire can prove beneficial also.

[NewSchool]

well yall are still judson kids and tend to always be good so i think yall will be just fine.
Thanks, we do not like to think of ourselves as Judson kids. We want to establish our own identity and hopefully someday be equal are better than what they have been.

[CKE]

Thanks, we do not like to think of ourselves as Judson kids. We want to establish our own identity and hopefully someday be equal are better than what they have been.

well yeah you know what i mean. how bout this yall live in the wagner/judson area and that AREA tends to have good kids:D

[NewSchool]

We Play Rockport Fullton and Clemens our first two games. Are either of these teams good. Our coach told us that we were supposed to play Alamo Heights also, but Lee Screwed that up.:confused:

[South Texas]

Are there is up and coming stud athletes which we may hear of for the next couple of years

[NewSchool]

A few but they are mostly Sophmore's and Juniors.

[bubbacoach]

Have any kids transferred over to Wagner from Judson since the season ended?

[RocklandDragon]

Is Converse north of San Antonio? What are Wagner's nickname and school colors?

Also, whenver I looked at the enrollments of the schools, Converse Judson's enrollment was huge. Does Converse have a setup like Plano, where 9-10 grade are at separate campuses and 11-12 are at a central location?

:cool:

[bubbacoach]

Is Converse north of San Antonio? What are Wagner's nickname and school colors?

Also, whenver I looked at the enrollments of the schools, Converse Judson's enrollment was huge. Does Converse have a setup like Plano, where 9-10 grade are at separate campuses and 11-12 are at a central location?

:cool:
It is kinda southeast of San Antonio. They are Black, White, and Red, and they are the Thunderbirds.

[LoneRocket]

Thanks, we do not like to think of ourselves as Judson kids. We want to establish our own identity and hopefully someday be equal are better than what they have been.
Question, who do you guys want to be known as

Bexar County Wagner
Converse Wagner
Judson Wagner
San Antonio Wagner

[Gridiron Gopher]

It is kinda southeast of San Antonio. They are Black, White, and Red, and they are the Thunderbirds.

Bubba, were you drinking when you made this post??? Southeast of San Antonio???. Northeast is more like it. :p

[Rerun]

Here is a map.

http://www.countymapsoftexas.com/aagifs/bexar_map.gif

Converse can be considered North East of San Antonio.

Wagner, is right near Kirby, which can be wrapped into the Eastern part of San Antonio.

So, Converse Judson is on the North East of San Antonio and Wagner high school is basically on the East side.

Judson High School and Wagner High School are right down FM 78 from each other. Wagner is actually on Foster Rd., right across from Candlewood and Sunrise.

I suppose Wagner is basically on the NE also, but maps can sometimes be tricky.

Wagner will make the playoffs next year. 3rd place.

They will do well and will give a good game and possibly beat Schertz Clemens in non-district.

Great Luck to Wagner in 2006 and beyond!

[Mad Hatter]

hey new school i graduated from Judson in 05 man but im pulling for wagner nexy year as much as i am judson....

Go Birdz

[Rerun]

http://www.judsonisd.org/images/ace/25037/ace_683770777_1140123994.jpg

Go Wagner!!!

[Mad Hatter]

i think wagners jerseys will be one of the coolest in the state and city.

[NewSchool]

Our jersey is crunk. And we would like to be known as San Antonio Wagner. That is what our address says.

[BandidoNB]

Our jersey is crunk. And we would like to be known as San Antonio Wagner. That is what our address says.

I knew it, I knew it.... it was getting wierd seeing people call it Converse Wagner, when it was not even near Converse, TX. Thanks for clearing that up.

[CKE]

i think wagners jerseys will be one of the coolest in the state and city.

the city is in the state.....................

[SeguinMatadors]

the city is in the state.....................

haha.. yeah that was a tad bit redundant.

[Mad Hatter]

:p yeah i just read it again i was like....*scratches head* wtf was i thinking lol

hey can someone get a picture maybe of what wagners varsity jersey will look like.

[lonny23]

I am from the new school in the Jisd district. We are called Wagner High School, and I noticed that some of you were talking about us in a very positive manner. I appreciate this! I felt like it might be fun to join in the conversation. What do ya'll think our chances are, being that we are a new school and all? We do not have many seniors, are team will be almost all Juniors and Sophmores next year. I believe we have one of the best coaches in the state in Coach Gibbens, I think we will be alright.
The district is hard every year. Here is how I handicap the teams and this is not in order:

Judson- You know they're tough with the 15 regional titles in the last 24 years. Until shown otherwise, they're a contender.

SV- These guys have played for 3 titles this decade and have been regional champs 3 of the 4 years in 5A.

Madison- They make the playoffs almost every year and have gone at least 4 rounds deep 3 times this decade.

Reagan- They're new, but keep getting better at football and already were good at other sports. They almost made the playoffs this year.

MacArthur- They were decent the last 2 years and won't be a pushover.

Churchill- They have a top QB and might be pretty good next year, too.

Roosevelt- These guys have made a few playoff runs and are pretty good in non-playoff years, too.

Lee- These guys are the worst in the district.

That means Wagner can be pretty good and still finish in 6th through 8th place.

[lonny23]

We Play Rockport Fullton and Clemens our first two games. Are either of these teams good. Our coach told us that we were supposed to play Alamo Heights also, but Lee Screwed that up.:confused:
Clemens will be a good game with a 4A school. I don't know how good RF will be.

[lonny23]

Is Converse north of San Antonio? What are Wagner's nickname and school colors?

Also, whenver I looked at the enrollments of the schools, Converse Judson's enrollment was huge. Does Converse have a setup like Plano, where 9-10 grade are at separate campuses and 11-12 are at a central location?

:cool:
Northeast of SA. It's the Wagner Thunderbirds and they wear red and black. Wagner is next to Kirby, which is a few miles closer to SA than Converse. Judson has 2 separate campuses that are close to each other.

[LoneRocket]

Our jersey is crunk. And we would like to be known as San Antonio Wagner. That is what our address says.
eingedikid there is your answer case closed.

[Mojo84]

Our jersey is crunk. And we would like to be known as San Antonio Wagner. That is what our address says.

Isn't it in the Converse ISD?

[Rerun]

Isn't it in the Converse ISD?

No.

There is no Converse ISD.

There is Judson ISD.

Wagner is in Judson ISD and the school is in San Antonio City Limits, therefore, San Antonio Wagner.

[Mojo84]

No.

There is no Converse ISD.

There is Judson ISD.

Wagner is in Judson ISD and the school is in San Antonio City Limits, therefore, San Antonio Wagner.

I don't know why but I always think Converse ISD instead of Judson. It doesn't matter what it is called to me. I was just curious. Being a Permian and Odessa native, I do like the colors.

Good luck to the Thunderbirds.

[RocketQB]

Northeast of SA. It's the Wagner Thunderbirds and they wear red and black. Wagner is next to Kirby, which is a few miles closer to SA than Converse. Judson has 2 separate campuses that are close to each other.


Wagner is actually closer to Woodlake Hills and Metzger Middle Schools. They are all North of the FM 78/Foster Road intersection which is still part of San Antonio. Not sure why it's being called Converse Wagner.

I am looking forward to the upcoming season. I was able to attend a few of Wagner's freshmen and JV games. They looked good. They played with a great deal of intensity and Coach Gibbens is an excellent coach IMO. Students from Kirby MS and Metzger MS will feed into Wagner. Both schools' have good football programs. Metzger has been open for only two years and the current 8th grade class won the football conference championship game their 1st year as 7th graders and again this year (good coaching from Guy Anderson, ex-Judson HS QB standout). Judson will be comprised of students from Woodlake Hills MS and Kitty Hawk MS. In the past years, Woodlake has been a contender in the playoffs; however, Kitty Hawk has not been doing so well. Will be interesting to see how or if that will affect Judson in the next few seasons.

One thing you forgot to mention was that although Judson has the two campuses (red & gray), unlike Plano, they do not have one location strictly for 9-10th graders and the other for 11-12th graders. That may change as the district is planning to hire principal's for both locations and the current principal of Judson HS (Brad Williams) is being promoted to another position within the district.

[Slim-Rob]

Our jersey is crunk. And we would like to be known as San Antonio Wagner. That is what our address says.

I WIN.

Welcome to the board man. Good luck to Wagner next year. I played football at Kirby with a lot of the Seniors on that team.

[YuccaRoot]

With Pete Gibbens as head coach...Wagner will win quickly.

[Slim-Rob]

With Pete Gibbens as head coach...Wagner will win quickly.

I agree. Wagner may not make the playoffs this year in a very tough district, but within the next few years they WILL be making a run at the big one.

[Jrock]

No.

There is no Converse ISD.

There is Judson ISD.

Wagner is in Judson ISD and the school is in San Antonio City Limits, therefore, San Antonio Wagner.

The school is not in the San Antonio city limits...yet. The land will probably be annexed by SA, but in the meantime they are in the county.

[NewSchool]

Our address is in San Antonio

[bubbacoach]

Will Wagner be deep enough to compete. I am sure their starters will be decent, but do they have anyone to back them up.

[Mad Hatter]

wouldnt it be funny if wager made it to the playoffs got passed the first and second round and got to play the valley teams. The valley would love that thinking there gonna get a win against our upstart program only to be embarassed buy a bunch of Sophs and Juniors :)

[Slim-Rob]

wouldnt it be funny if wager made it to the playoffs got passed the first and second round and got to play the valley teams. The valley would love that thinking there gonna get a win against our upstart program only to be embarassed buy a bunch of Sophs and Juniors :)

The only thing funnier than that....Judson 16-0 Wagner 15-1

Don't think its gonna happen though.

[clemensbuff]

The only thing funnier than that....Judson 16-0 Wagner 15-1

Don't think its gonna happen though.

I don't think that will happen next year, but I'd say it's very possible in the near future. I remember Roosy at 16-0 (D2 state champ) and CJ 14-1 (D1 state champs) in 95'. And just think about it a little, Roosy and CJ borde one another!

[Slim-Rob]

I don't think that will happen next year, but I'd say it's very possible in the near future. I remember Roosy at 16-0 (D2 state champ) and CJ 14-1 (D1 state champs) in 95'. And just think about it a little, Roosy and CJ borde one another!

They are almost as close as Judson and Wagner. Imagine the rivalry that is about to form between the 3.

[LoneRocket]

The only thing funnier than that....Judson 16-0 Wagner 15-1

Don't think its gonna happen though.
How about Judson 15-0-1 Wagner 15-0-1 game called because of Weather.

[Slim-Rob]

How about Judson 15-0-1 Wagner 15-0-1 game called because of Weather.

lol, bad weather. Rackley would be screamin at the refs "To hell with the lightnin', we have to finish this game"

[LoneRocket]

They are almost as close as Judson and Wagner. Imagine the rivalry that is about to form between the 3.
Is EC and Sam closer to Wagner?

[Slim-Rob]

Is EC and Sam closer to Wagner?

I'm unsure. I know its easy to get from Judson to Wagner.

FM 1516 to Benz Englemman(sp?), left on Foster. Fastest way
FM 78 to Foster(make left)

OR
1604 to I10 to Foster.

[clemensbuff]

Wagner is actually closer to Woodlake Hills and Metzger Middle Schools. They are all North of the FM 78/Foster Road intersection which is still part of San Antonio. Not sure why it's being called Converse Wagner.

I am looking forward to the upcoming season. I was able to attend a few of Wagner's freshmen and JV games. They looked good. They played with a great deal of intensity and Coach Gibbens is an excellent coach IMO. Students from Kirby MS and Metzger MS will feed into Wagner. Both schools' have good football programs. Metzger has been open for only two years and the current 8th grade class won the football conference championship game their 1st year as 7th graders and again this year (good coaching from Guy Anderson, ex-Judson HS QB standout). Judson will be comprised of students from Woodlake Hills MS and Kitty Hawk MS. In the past years, Woodlake has been a contender in the playoffs; however, Kitty Hawk has not been doing so well. Will be interesting to see how or if that will affect Judson in the next few seasons.

One thing you forgot to mention was that although Judson has the two campuses (red & gray), unlike Plano, they do not have one location strictly for 9-10th graders and the other for 11-12th graders. That may change as the district is planning to hire principal's for both locations and the current principal of Judson HS (Brad Williams) is being promoted to another position within the district.

FM 78 runs East to West so wouldn't Wagner be considered South of 78? No wonder CJ's passing game didn't fare that well this year! If you WR was running a skinny post you might have thrown a waggle route! :D LOL Don't get madded I'm just funnin' you a little.

This explains it all! So your Middle Schools have been going to the playoffs and nobody else's have! No wonder Judson football has been so great the past 25 years, you let your middle schools participate in a secret playoff system! LOL Good luck to both Wagner and Judson next year (except Wagner when they play the Buffaloes).

[Slim-Rob]

FM 78 runs East to West so wouldn't Wagner be considered South of 78? No wonder CJ's passing game didn't fare that well this year! If you WR was running a skinny post you might have thrown a waggle route! :D LOL Don't get madded I'm just funnin' you a little.

This explains it all! So your Middle Schools have been going to the playoffs and nobody else's have! No wonder Judson football has been so great the past 25 years, you let your middle schools participate in a secret playoff system! LOL Good luck to both Wagner and Judson next year (except Wagner when they play the Buffaloes).

When I played MS ball, there was no "Championship Game" We played 8 games, and whoever had the best record won. Now they do some weird deal, something like a playoff. IDK, you'd have to ask someone about it.

[clemensbuff]

They are almost as close as Judson and Wagner. Imagine the rivalry that is about to form between the 3.

There is an exstraordinary amount of talent in a very small area surrounding these schools! If I was recruiting for a college, I think that I'd spend a whole lot of time in this general area!

[Slim-Rob]

There is an exstraordinary amount of talent in a very small area surrounding these schools! If I was recruiting for a college, I think that I'd spend a whole lot of time in this general area!

Lots of talent, but not good size. I would still recruit here though. I think Roosevelt should be annexed into the JISD:D

[clemensbuff]

Is EC and Sam closer to Wagner?

EC is way further from Wagner than CJ but Sam H is probably very close to the same distance from CJ as Wagner is.

[clemensbuff]

Lots of talent, but not good size. I would still recruit here though. I think Roosevelt should be annexed into the JISD:D

Well, your the trainer, aren't you? Get those boys on a better diet and make them hit the gym harder! LOL

[clemensbuff]

EC is way further from Wagner than CJ but Sam H is probably very close to the same distance from CJ as Wagner is.

Let me correct that last sentence. Wagner is about the same distance from CJ as it is from SH.

[BandidoNB]

The school is not in the San Antonio city limits...yet. The land will probably be annexed by SA, but in the meantime they are in the county.

Even if Wagner isnt in San Antonio's city limits, they are much closer to SA than Converse. Besides, calling Bexar County Wager doesnt sound right. We dont see people saying Comal County Smithson Valley....its Spring Branch SV. Same with Wagner. SA Wagner.

[Slim-Rob]

Well, your the trainer, aren't you? Get those boys on a better diet and make them hit the gym harder! LOL

LOL. We don't have a lot of tall athetic guys. #1 Williams was about 6' 2" and we had Rob Housler who was about 6"6", but other than that just 1 or 2 over 6 foot.

[clemensbuff]

Even if Wagner isnt in San Antonio's city limits, they are much closer to SA than Converse. Besides, calling Bexar County Wager doesnt sound right. We dont see people saying Comal County Smithson Valley....its Spring Branch SV. Same with Wagner. SA Wagner.

Good point Bandido. I vote for Kirby Wagner. Everybody calls Clemens Schertz Clemens when really it is just Samuel Clemens. So, I guess the need to call Steele Cibolo Steele. Hey check out the initials for Steele -BSHS. You think the kids are having a little fun with that one!!!!

Are your unicorns ready for the Buffs again?

[RocketQB]

FM 78 runs East to West so wouldn't Wagner be considered South of 78? No wonder CJ's passing game didn't fare that well this year! If you WR was running a skinny post you might have thrown a waggle route! :D LOL Don't get madded I'm just funnin' you a little.

This explains it all! So your Middle Schools have been going to the playoffs and nobody else's have! No wonder Judson football has been so great the past 25 years, you let your middle schools participate in a secret playoff system! LOL Good luck to both Wagner and Judson next year (except Wagner when they play the Buffaloes).

HA HA. The passing game didn't have to fare so well this year, but it was enough to get us to State. What was Clemens excuse? :rolleyes:

As for the "funny" middle school comments, there was a game played for "Conference Championship." The opponent both seasons was East Central's Heritage MS. Metgzer won both years. No secret playoff system. Just good talented players. You've experienced it when your team played Judson, now you'll get a chance to experience it when you all play Wagner. :eek: Good luck to both teams!

[lonny23]

Good point Bandido. I vote for Kirby Wagner. Everybody calls Clemens Schertz Clemens when really it is just Samuel Clemens. So, I guess the need to call Steele Cibolo Steele. Hey check out the initials for Steele -BSHS. You think the kids are having a little fun with that one!!!!

Are your unicorns ready for the Buffs again?
I like BSHS!:D

[Slim-Rob]

HA HA. The passing game didn't have to fare so well this year, but it was enough to get us to State. What was Clemens excuse? :rolleyes:

As for the "funny" middle school comments, there was a game played for "Conference Championship." The opponent both seasons was East Central's Heritage MS. Metgzer won both years. No secret playoff system. Just good talented players. You've experienced it when your team played Judson, now you'll get a chance to experience it when you all play Wagner. :eek: Good luck to both teams!

LOL, when I was at Kirby Heritage was not very good. What about Scobee? Are they still playing vs JISD?

[Mad Hatter]

i remeber plaing those days lol...we were the Stac champs my 7th grade year beat woodlake like red headed step child...our 8th grade year woodlake had fox and well....they had fox please dont make me go into details :(

[Slim-Rob]

i remeber plaing those days lol...we were the Stac champs my 7th grade year beat woodlake like red headed step child...our 8th grade year woodlake had fox and well....they had fox please dont make me go into details :(

LOL. But Heritage wasn't very good was it? We played them at East Central (with turf) in the rain and when it was about 30 degrees outside.

[Mad Hatter]

lol my 8th grade year we all thought we were hot poop...and didnt practice that hard and we payed for it big time.

[Slim-Rob]

lol my 8th grade year we all thought we were hot poop...and didnt practice that hard and we payed for it big time.

It always smelled like hot poop at Kirby. People always walked their dogs on our field.

[clemensbuff]

HA HA. The passing game didn't have to fare so well this year, but it was enough to get us to State. What was Clemens excuse? :rolleyes:

As for the "funny" middle school comments, there was a game played for "Conference Championship." The opponent both seasons was East Central's Heritage MS. Metgzer won both years. No secret playoff system. Just good talented players. You've experienced it when your team played Judson, now you'll get a chance to experience it when you all play Wagner. :eek: Good luck to both teams!

Yes, CJ has always had plenty of talented players and very good coaching. As far as why we didn't get to the title game - three words- JAMES HENRY & TURNOVERS! LOL And again, yes you are correct that Clemens experienced Judson in the playoffs in 04, but look back to the year before and you'll see that Judson experienced Clemens at their home field in the same manner.

I have no doubt that Wagner is going to be a tough game for Clemens this coming year. As a matter of fact, I've been one of the guys saying that Wagner will be the dominant team in JISD in the very near future. I've also stated that Judson's awesome dominance that they have shown for the last 20+ years is over. They will still be a very top notched program as long as Rackley is there but they will not dominate everyone like they did in the past. I truly believe that Wagner will be competing at the highest of levels within a couple of short years!

[SVite]

Even if Wagner isnt in San Antonio's city limits, they are much closer to SA than Converse. Besides, calling Bexar County Wager doesnt sound right. We dont see people saying Comal County Smithson Valley....its Spring Branch SV. Same with Wagner. SA Wagner.


Well to tell the truth,SV is`nt in any city!Spring Branch is up Hwy 281 North,and SV is located way over on Hwy 46,about 10 miles west of New Braunfels city limits.SV is closer to Bulverde,and Canyon Lake,than it is Spring Branch!So you could call them Comal County SV!:D

[bubbacoach]

[QUOTE=clemensbuff] And again, yes you are correct that Clemens experienced Judson in the playoffs in 04, but look back to the year before and you'll see that Judson experienced Clemens at their home field in the same manner.

QUOTE]
That is incorrect Judson got a first down in that game, they also scored.:D

[NewSchool]

I was in the 8th grade when Judson played Clemens in the playoffs. That was a blowout. I am so happy that I am done with the TAKS and my teacher let me on the computer.

[clemensbuff]

[QUOTE=clemensbuff] And again, yes you are correct that Clemens experienced Judson in the playoffs in 04, but look back to the year before and you'll see that Judson experienced Clemens at their home field in the same manner.

QUOTE]
That is incorrect Judson got a first down in that game, they also scored.:D

THERE WERE 0 FIRST DOWNS AND 0 POINTS FOR THE ROCKETS IN THE 2ND HALF OF THAT CONTEST! IN FACT, I BELEIVE THAT JUDSON JUST MAY HAVE HAD NEGATIVE YARDS IN THE SECOND HALF! AND THIS SHUT DOWN WAS ACCOMPLISHED BY A SCHOOL WITH LESS THAN 1/2 OF THE STUDENTS JUDSON HAD! :)

[clemensbuff]

I was in the 8th grade when Judson played Clemens in the playoffs. That was a blowout. I am so happy that I am done with the TAKS and my teacher let me on the computer.

You are exactly correct! What a blowout. Our kids possibly played worse in that game then they did against Madison this year. Either way, in both games our kids did not come to play and got their A$$E$ handed to them on a silver platter.

AMEN to that! TAKS is the biggest waste of time ever introduced into the public school system! Our educators are teaching how to pass a stupid A$$ test instead of educating our children!

[Mad Hatter]

hey buffs whats clemens total win loss record against judson....isnt it 11 and 1 :eek:

[BandidoNB]

Good point Bandido. I vote for Kirby Wagner. Everybody calls Clemens Schertz Clemens when really it is just Samuel Clemens. So, I guess the need to call Steele Cibolo Steele. Hey check out the initials for Steele -BSHS. You think the kids are having a little fun with that one!!!!

Are your unicorns ready for the Buffs again?

I dont know if NB is ready to take on Clemens again. That really depends on two things...

1. If Clemens will drop off a bit with Steele HS getting more students.

2. If NB's 2004 and 2005 seasons were jsut blips on the screen as opposed to a sign of things to come.

[Mad Hatter]

hey biffs NB program is down right now but im happy u have you sights set on beating them...While the team u need to worry about (the wear red also) Canyon is just masacreing folks.

[BandidoNB]

hey biffs NB program is down right now but im happy u have you sights set on beating them...While the team u need to worry about (the wear red also) Canyon is just masacreing folks.

NB Canyon could possibly have won 25-5A this past year had they been in 5A. They took it to Seguin in predistrict and made the 4A state quarterfinals. Missed point after attempt kept them from going further against CC Calallen.

[bubbacoach]

[QUOTE=bubbacoach]

THERE WERE 0 FIRST DOWNS AND 0 POINTS FOR THE ROCKETS IN THE 2ND HALF OF THAT CONTEST! IN FACT, I BELEIVE THAT JUDSON JUST MAY HAVE HAD NEGATIVE YARDS IN THE SECOND HALF! AND THIS SHUT DOWN WAS ACCOMPLISHED BY A SCHOOL WITH LESS THAN 1/2 OF THE STUDENTS JUDSON HAD! :)
Didn't both schools have 11 on the field at the same time. That sounds pretty even to me. And Judson did it for a whole game.

[CKE]

[QUOTE=clemensbuff]
Didn't both schools have 11 on the field at the same time. That sounds pretty even to me. And Judson did it for a whole game.

yeah but everyone knows what he means

[clemensbuff]

hey buffs whats clemens total win loss record against judson....isnt it 11 and 1 :eek:

I couldn't say but I'd take a win-loss record of 11-1! :D :p LOL Don't you mean 1-11 when you say Clemens win-loss record?

I only know that we one 1 of 4 district games against them from 2000-20003 and then got spanked in the playoffs in 04'. That would make Clemens 1-4 against CJ in recent years. We gave the game away (missed extra point and several TOs inside red zone) to CJ in 03' 14-13 and all Judson did was when state on the Hail Mary Pass Play! I believe the year before we lost in triple OT at Judson and in 2000 it was a pretty damn good game also. ALL IN ALL, I'D SAY CLEMENS DOESN'T NEED TO HANG THEIR HEADS WITH THE WAY THEY HANDLED THEMSELVES AGAINST THE GREAT CJ ROCKETS OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS (EXCEPT FOR 04' PLAYOFF GAME). I look at it this way. It would be no different than Clemens playing Marion (5,000 vs 2,000 or 2,000 vs 800) except that there is no way in hell Marion could have come close to beating Clemens.

[bubbacoach]

Yes but it is not the number in your school, it is the number that tries out for football. If school A has 5000 students and school B has 3000 student, but each school only has 70 kids try out for football, then both schools have the same number to choose from.:o

[clemensbuff]

hey biffs NB program is down right now but im happy u have you sights set on beating them...While the team u need to worry about (the wear red also) Canyon is just masacreing folks.

Hey Mad HOMO, do you think I don't know who the best 4a team in the region was last year! Exclamation instead of Question because it was a statement Numb N--s. Another thing Mad HOMO, who invited you into this conversation? That was a question. If you are going to butt in, just write a decent sentence please.

[clemensbuff]

NB Canyon could possibly have won 25-5A this past year had they been in 5A. They took it to Seguin in predistrict and made the 4A state quarterfinals. Missed point after attempt kept them from going further against CC Calallen.

I have no doubt that they would have been at the top of the district with Clemens and it would have been one hell of a game betweent the two.

[bubbacoach]

Calm down brother, has it been a bad day.

[clemensbuff]

:D Yes but it is not the number in your school, it is the number that tries out for football. If school A has 5000 students and school B has 3000 student, but each school only has 70 kids try out for football, then both schools have the same number to choose from.:o

Bubbacoach, just when I started to really admire you, that is an ignoramous comment. :) You know damn well if you have more kids to pick from the chances are that you will get better natural athletes than the school with less to pick from. Let me put this into terms that we both understand. Is there a better chance to have more trophy bucks if you have 2,500 bucks or if you have 1,000? LOL

[clemensbuff]

Calm down brother, has it been a bad day.

IT'S BEEN A BAD MONTH!

[bubbacoach]

:D

Bubbacoach, just when I started to really admire you, that is an ignoramous comment. :) You know damn well if you have more kids to pick from the chances are that you will get better natural athletes than the school with less to pick from. Let me put this into terms that we both understand. Is there a better chance to have more trophy bucks if you have 2,500 bucks or if you have 1,000? LOL
But if only 2 bucks show up your blind, it does not matter how many you have in your pasture. You only get to pick from the one's that show up.

[RedRage00]

I'm going to follow my role model Lonny and jump on Wagners bandwagon.

Afterall, they bear the same colors as my alma mater (Victoria HS) which no longer exists.

I need a Red & Black team to fill the void! :D

GO THUNDERBIRDS!

[bubbacoach]

:D

Bubbacoach, just when I started to really admire you, that is an ignoramous comment. :) You know damn well if you have more kids to pick from the chances are that you will get better natural athletes than the school with less to pick from. Let me put this into terms that we both understand. Is there a better chance to have more trophy bucks if you have 2,500 bucks or if you have 1,000? LOL
So what you are telling me is that teams like Lee, Highlands, East Central, Victoria, the large 5A Valley Schools etc. should be better than Clemens, because they have more kids in their school. I say it again, if both teams only have 50 kids go out, both schools only have 50 kids to pick from. It has nothing to do with the number of kids in your school, it has to do with what type of kids are in your school. What is your ethnic make-up, socio-economic make-up, ect.. You only can play with what you have on the field, not with what you have in the hallway. I used to hear it all the time at Judson, how someone could put a team togethor out of what is walking the halls at Judson and beat Judson. Maybe, but those kids did absolutely no good to anyone Friday night because they were in the stands.;)

[Rerun]

Idiots.

Judson is better than Clemens in football.

Why? Not because they have a higher enrollment, but, because when they play Clemens, they win.

Idiots.

[CKE]

Idiots.

Judson is better than Clemens in football.

Why? Not because they have a higher enrollment, but, because when they play Clemens, they win.

Idiots.


lol tell us what you really think TH

[Slim-Rob]

You are exactly correct! What a blowout. Our kids possibly played worse in that game then they did against Madison this year. Either way, in both games our kids did not come to play and got their A$$E$ handed to them on a silver platter.

AMEN to that! TAKS is the biggest waste of time ever introduced into the public school system! Our educators are teaching how to pass a stupid A$$ test instead of educating our children!

You gotta play hard in the playoffs. It's not Judson's or Madison's fault that Clemens didn't show up to play.

And don't get started on this 5000 kid crap again.

[CKE]

And don't get started on this 5000 kid crap again.

But it is true Rocket. anyway let it die judson has split up so its over. how many students do they have now?

[Slim-Rob]

:D

Bubbacoach, just when I started to really admire you, that is an ignoramous comment. :) You know damn well if you have more kids to pick from the chances are that you will get better natural athletes than the school with less to pick from. Let me put this into terms that we both understand. Is there a better chance to have more trophy bucks if you have 2,500 bucks or if you have 1,000? LOL

Let me just put this a few ways:

How many kids does La Joya have???? How many State Championships have they been to in the past few years???

By having more kids, you have more trouble makers, bigger classes, more out of shape people, more people in band, more people in choir, more people in everything. This does not mean you will have more athletes. How many D1 players have come out of Judson in the past few years. Only 2 that I know of have played in the NFL. How many D1 players came out of Westfield last year? A lot more than have come out of Judson in the past 10. Did Judson have a bigger student body last year than Westfield? YES

AND if more kids truly does give you more good athletes, what happend this year when Judson only had 3500 kids instead of 5k? I guess the whole State Finalists thing is just a big prank we pulled? Its not real, is it?

[Slim-Rob]

But it is true Rocket. anyway let it die judson has split up so its over. how many students do they have now?
idk, i think around 3500

[DiamondJ2]

No RTRN, it was 3250 this year. We've heard that about enrollment for years and my reply is the following. Tell me clemensbuff, why the following schools who have huge enrollments (Alief schools, Plano East, Plano West, Dallas Skyline, The Woodlands, Westfield, Lajoya, Houston Memorial) do not have the state titles that Judson has earned? When Judson won their 1st 5 titles they did not rank in the top ten in enrollment. The 1st 3 not in the top 20. Or you can ask SLC how it competes? Now, there won't be any excuses for Clemens not to win it all in 4A. They must be one of the biggest 4A schools and should make it to semifinals every year just like they did wihen they were 4A earlier.

Clemens coaching staff has done an excellent job over the last decade. They are very similar to Judson in the 80's and early 90's in make up of the type of players. They will continue to do well and both Steele and Wagner will be very good in the years to come, but look for Wagner to make playoffs in the nest 2-3 years. Earlier than another school in our district.

personally, I am excited that the NE side of San Antonio is doing well in football and will continue to do well in the future. We all know that will not make NEISD happy.

[Slim-Rob]

No RTRN, it was 3250 this year. We've heard that about enrollment for years and my reply is the following. Tell me clemensbuff, why the following schools who have huge enrollments (Alief schools, Plano East, Plano West, Dallas Skyline, The Woodlands, Westfield, Lajoya, Houston Memorial) do not have the state titles that Judson has earned? When Judson won their 1st 5 titles they did not rank in the top ten in enrollment. The 1st 3 not in the top 20. Or you can ask SLC how it competes? Now, there won't be any excuses for Clemens not to win it all in 4A. They must be one of the biggest 4A schools and should make it to semifinals every year just like they did wihen they were 4A earlier.

Clemens coaching staff has done an excellent job over the last decade. They are very similar to Judson in the 80's and early 90's in make up of the type of players. They will continue to do well and both Steele and Wagner will be very good in the years to come, but look for Wagner to make playoffs in the nest 2-3 years. Earlier than another school in our district.

personally, I am excited that the NE side of San Antonio is doing well in football and will continue to do well in the future. We all know that will not make NEISD happy.

LOL REAGAN

Thanks for the help man.

[clemensbuff]

Idiots.

Judson is better than Clemens in football.

Why? Not because they have a higher enrollment, but, because when they play Clemens, they win.

Idiots.

Wow Headliner, you really are a rocket scientist, or maybe a brain surgeon! By the way, have I ever said that Clemens was better than Judson?

[clemensbuff]

So what you are telling me is that teams like Lee, Highlands, East Central, Victoria, the large 5A Valley Schools etc. should be better than Clemens, because they have more kids in their school. I say it again, if both teams only have 50 kids go out, both schools only have 50 kids to pick from. It has nothing to do with the number of kids in your school, it has to do with what type of kids are in your school. What is your ethnic make-up, socio-economic make-up, ect.. You only can play with what you have on the field, not with what you have in the hallway. I used to hear it all the time at Judson, how someone could put a team togethor out of what is walking the halls at Judson and beat Judson. Maybe, but those kids did absolutely no good to anyone Friday night because they were in the stands.;)

I agree with you that if each school has the same number of kids go out for football that the talent pool is pretty much a dead heat. But you know as well as I that if a school has twice as many kids as another it is a given that there are going to be many more come out for each sport than the smaller school has come out. Probably not twice as many, but for sure more than the smaller school.

As for your take on Lee and the other schools, I agree with you. Why don't they have good programs??? Coaching, commitment, dedication! No doubt whatsoever that CJ has been the most dominant 5a program ever because of several things including the three words in the previous sentence but having large numbers surely did not hurt either.

[clemensbuff]

No RTRN, it was 3250 this year. We've heard that about enrollment for years and my reply is the following. Tell me clemensbuff, why the following schools who have huge enrollments (Alief schools, Plano East, Plano West, Dallas Skyline, The Woodlands, Westfield, Lajoya, Houston Memorial) do not have the state titles that Judson has earned? When Judson won their 1st 5 titles they did not rank in the top ten in enrollment. The 1st 3 not in the top 20. Or you can ask SLC how it competes? Now, there won't be any excuses for Clemens not to win it all in 4A. They must be one of the biggest 4A schools and should make it to semifinals every year just like they did wihen they were 4A earlier.

Clemens coaching staff has done an excellent job over the last decade. They are very similar to Judson in the 80's and early 90's in make up of the type of players. They will continue to do well and both Steele and Wagner will be very good in the years to come, but look for Wagner to make playoffs in the nest 2-3 years. Earlier than another school in our district.

personally, I am excited that the NE side of San Antonio is doing well in football and will continue to do well in the future. We all know that will not make NEISD happy.

As for the numbers argument please see my response to bubbacoach. I also agree that there are always exceptions to any of the rules about enrollment. Judson has not dominated for 25+ years simply because of the numbers. Much of their dominance has been because of great coaching and kids that respond to it!

As far as Clemens being one of the largest schools in 4a, not even close. We will be around 1,500 and the cut off is mid 1,900s. Dropping 4a from 5a doesn't mean an instant championship. Just look at Sam Houston!!! Everyone said that they would be competing for the title when they were dropped in the early 90s and if I remember in six years in the district with Clemens I don't think the saw the end zone more than twice! The top teams in 4a can compete with the top teams in 5a. The only difference between them is going to be on the depth chart. A 4a team's second teamers are not going to be near the quality of a 5a teams. Another point on this matter is to look at Austin Westlake. They could not win the big one in 4a but they damn sure did it their first (maybe second) year in 5a. So what does that say? I say that it means that top 4a football is every bit as good as 5a!

On Wagner, I definately agree with you 110%

[Rerun]

Wow Headliner, you really are a rocket scientist, or maybe a brain surgeon! By the way, have I ever said that Clemens was better than Judson?

All you do is complain and make excuses.

Everyone on here knows I am a Clemens fan and everyone on here knows that I am not making excuses for them when they get dominated.

That's all you do is try and cover up for them and use moronic enrollment excuses.

When the game has started and each team lines up the same number of guys of the field, I do not care if it's Judson with an enrollment of 45454554 vs Poth with an enrollment of 45.

The guys on the field for Judson beat the guys on the field for Poth, therefore, Judson is better than Poth.

Stop making excuses and looking for an easy way out.

[Mad Hatter]

Thats what most biffs do they make excuses :rolleyes:

[Rerun]

Thats what most biffs do they make excuses :rolleyes:

Speaking as an alumni and former athlete for Clemens, I will say the parents and daddies make excuses, NOT, the athlete.

We go out there and are taught to play for the win and if we get beaten then shake your opponents hand and get ready for the next game.

The parents and cry baby daddies are the ones that like to cover up the truth and make excuses.

Move on and get over it.

Schertz needs to win the 4A state title next season.

Personally, I think that is going to happen.

[SVite]

Yes but it is not the number in your school, it is the number that tries out for football. If school A has 5000 students and school B has 3000 student, but each school only has 70 kids try out for football, then both schools have the same number to choose from.:o

Then why even have a classifacations if enrollment means nothing?And why is there a Div.1,and Div.11 in the playoffs,if enrollment means nothing?

And dont give me the bull about other huge enrollments that suck in sports.Just shows that the coaching is really,really bad.Put some good coaching in a huge enrollment school and they`ll dominate like Judson did!

[DiamondJ2]

Or put a good coach in a small school, SV & SLC, and the results can be very satisfying.

[bubbacoach]

Then why even have a classifacations if enrollment means nothing?And why is there a Div.1,and Div.11 in the playoffs,if enrollment means nothing?

And dont give me the bull about other huge enrollments that suck in sports.Just shows that the coaching is really,really bad.Put some good coaching in a huge enrollment school and they`ll dominate like Judson did!
That is not true, you could put every kid from the valley in one school and they still would not win state.

[bubbacoach]

Or put a good coach in a small school, SV & SLC, and the results can be very satisfying.
If they have the right kind of kids.

[SVite]

That is not true, you could put every kid from the valley in one school and they still would not win state.


Sure go to the Valley to make your point!Ok schools that dont have an average size of players being 5ft4!!;) :D

[SVite]

Tom Landry used to invite 100+ free agents to camp every year.He was playing the numbers game,and did well at it.The NFL finally put a limit on invitees.Tom new the more bodies the better chance for fielding a dominate team over the team that only brought in half that to choose from.

It`s no different than a rich man making his money work for him,compared to a man that has half of what the rich man has to work with.Some rich can fall with bad investments,and the man with half to work with can make it,but the odds (money,(-Players)) are against him.

[bubbacoach]

Tom Landry used to invite 100+ free agents to camp every year.He was playing the numbers game,and did well at it.The NFL finally put a limit on invitees.Tom new the more bodies the better chance for fielding a dominate team over the team that only brought in half that to choose from.

It`s no different than a rich man making his money work for him,compared to a man that has half of what the rich man has to work with.Some rich can fall with bad investments,and the man with half to work with can make it,but the odds (money,(-Players)) are against him.
Victoria Memorial has one of the largest enrollments in the State?