Texas HS Football Helmets

[texashelmetproject]

I e-mailed the folks at 5ATexasFootball.com about the Texas Helmet Project, but got no response from them. They're probably busy getting this great site ready for the '05 Season. Just wanted to let you folks know about what I was doing. I don't care if you even come to the site, I just want pictures and logos of your scool's helmet. Here's what I need: a clear, close up picture of the helmet showing color, facemask color, any stripes on the helmet, and the logo. If your school helmets have different logos on both sides, then let us know. Also I need a scanned decal (logo) of the left side of the helmet, (if both sides are the same). If you had say a red helmet, stick the logo on a red sheet of paper before scanning it, that would make it really easy on us, but not neccessary. If you want to just mail the logo, then e-mail me and I will send your our address.

If you notice on the front page of 5ATexasFootball.com, there is a Southlake Carroll logo. That is the exact decal that is on their helmet. If you have a picture of what is EXACTLY on your school's helmet, then you could e-mail that to us instead of scanning the logo.

What we need.
1. Pictures of the right, left, and top of the helmet.
2. A scanned logo (or image) of the left side of the helmet.

I can be e-mailed at texashshelmetproject@hotmail.com.

Thanks for the help!

If you would like to view the site, e-mail me and I will give you the web address. I don't want the folks at 5A Texas Football to think I am using this for advertisement. I just want information about your helmet.

[CoppellCowboy57]

I think this guy was the one who hacked our site...*narrow eyes*...hes a spy

[ktchamp97]

No, Cowboy, I got his email, but I've been slow in responding...a spy he is not.

[wide-e-wide]

Did he know the secret handshake?
How can we be certain he is not a spy?

[LeanderLions3033]

a spy he is not.

lol ok Yoda ;)

[texashelmetproject]

I've done some browsing around this site some looking for pictures from last year. I'm not a huge 5A fan, but a huge football fan, because I grew up in a small school and the closest 5A school is about an hour away. Since looking around this site, I will say that this is the BEST high school football site in the state of Texas. It's an awsome site, just to bad I don't know anything about 5A football. I did see the Southlake/Ryan game on ESPN last year if that counts. :)

[Red Raiders]

I think this guy was the one who hacked our site...*narrow eyes*...hes a spy

You think he is? have you been looking up our IP's?

[texashelmetproject]

Here's some of what we have. We have about 42 5A helmets complete.

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/1287/belton0om.gif
Belton

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/8688/bryan0rr.gif
Bryan

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/6497/cedarpark9ks.gif
Cedar Park

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/7396/georgetown3mc.gif
Georgetown

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/7813/roundrockstonypt5uh.gif
Round Rock Stony Point

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[Red Raiders]

Here's some of what we have. We have about 42 5A helmets complete.

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/1287/belton0om.gif
Belton

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/8688/bryan0rr.gif
Bryan

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/6497/cedarpark9ks.gif
Cedar Park

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/7396/georgetown3mc.gif
Georgetown

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/7813/roundrockstonypt5uh.gif
Round Rock Stony Point

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Wheres Temple Helmet?

[cougardude]

I think that's the point of the thread - he's trying to get helmets he doesn't have! Maybe Temple is one of them! :rolleyes:

[LoboFan07]

Here the four that I have from District 12-5A

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/lobos2/LongviewHelmet2.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/lobos2/JohnTylerHelmet.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/lobos2/NorthMesquiteHelmet.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v244/lobos2/TylerLeeHelmet.gif

[texashelmetproject]

I have actual game pictures of over half the 5A schools, so I know what they look like. I need the actual helmet decal scanned, or an image that looks exactly like the helmet decal.

[Lobo Dude]

Lobo Fan,

Is there any way you can get rid of that yellow and white stripe on our helmet? I know its a small detail but it bugs m when I look at it. haha.

[NMHS fan]

What's the third one down with the funny looking horsey? :D

[Lobo Dude]

What's the third one down with the funny looking horsey? :D

haha i almost answered that question but then i was like... wait... haha

[pack4life]

I've done some browsing around this site some looking for pictures from last year. I'm not a huge 5A fan, but a huge football fan, because I grew up in a small school and the closest 5A school is about an hour away. Since looking around this site, I will say that this is the BEST high school football site in the state of Texas. It's an awsome site, just to bad I don't know anything about 5A football. I did see the Southlake/Ryan game on ESPN last year if that counts. :)


You LEAVE this site and never come back!! :p
(just messing with you)

[Rerun]

Looking for a place to talk about 3A and 2A ball untill you're blue in the face, go to sasports, thats ALL they freaking talk about. :rolleyes:

[wide-e-wide]

How the hell does "heir to the Confederacy" and "mike jones"
enter your brain and not cause a severe explosion?
For any flag wavin'...Natural Light drinkin'...trailer park livin'...
nimrod....NEWS FLASH......the South lost. Get over it.

[Rerun]

http://www.spursreport.com/forums/images/smilies/ot.gif How the hell does "heir to the Confederacy" and "mike jones"

[wide-e-wide]

It's your sig dipsh!t...not mine.
So you roll up in DA SWISHAHOUSE with a rebel flag?
If you do please carry a camcorder...because I have got to
see what happens.
You are confused young buck...You can't have it both ways.

[Rerun]

football forum?

[wide-e-wide]

True...it is a football forum.
But your sig is offensive. What exactly are
you trying to say?
You quote a song that says...you the heir to the Confederacy...(meaning you take over where the Confederacy left off) and Dixie this and Dixie that...dude aren't you from Texas?
Since when did Texas have anything to do with Dixie?
Know your history first homeboy....you are lost.
And aren't you the same guy that post pictures of "Mike Jones" and "Da Swishahouse"?
Yeah............if anything smells of Dixie it's Swishahouse ...they are tight with the brothers at the local klan rally.

[Rerun]

It's lyrics from a song, that I happen to like.Nothing more, nothing less. Now can we get back to football related subjects?

[Rerun]

football??

[wide-e-wide]

Bring it ....racist.

[Rerun]

i was going to send you a picture of a swishahouse album cover but never mind, seems like your not in the mood

[wide-e-wide]

Dude...any mention of the confederacy ....or dixie ...is offensive.
And not only that ...it is stupid.
You are proud of a flag that represents an army that lost.
think about it..........

If I came on here talking about the Nazi regime and how I was an heir to it...don't you think that would be offensive?
Same thing

[dragons08]

alright i dont want to barge in here or anything but, i'll be the voice of reason :D , wide is right because this is america where everybody is equal and we treat everyone same, so why go and say stuff about something that was bad and seem like you like it?

[wide-e-wide]

Good question...

[wide-e-wide]

Honestly all of this dixie crap makes me want to puke.
I swear any time I see a redneck with a "rebel" flag license plate,
t-shirt,bumper sticker,cap,....anything.
I ask them..."Are you from Texas?"
And when they say "By God right I am Bubba" then I say.............
Then why are you so proud of a flag that never flew over your home state?
Idiots...all of 'em.

[pack0808]

yall are going a little too political correct for me. yes the confederate flag represented the south in the civil war but it does not always represent racisim. hell, that was the ole miss flag a few years ago?? or is it still??

[RidgePride]

yall are going a little too political correct for me. yes the confederate flag represented the south in the civil war but it does not always represent racisim. hell, that was the ole miss flag a few years ago?? or is it still??


Yeah but The war was basically over slavery - The Confederate south wanted to keep it (slavery) and that flag was their representation.

[pack0808]

the civil war was not about slavery. that is a common misconception.

[GoOwls]

pack is absolutely right about that. Slavery was the issue Lincoln used to inflame a North that really didn't have it's heart in what was an ECONOMIC war over unfair tarriffs issued by Washington on southern farmers to try to force them to trade through the federal government rather than dealing directly with foreign governments. THe north was dependant on the souths' agricultural riches to feed an ever growing urban population. The fear that the south would trade too much of their product to higher bidders in other countries and thereby, forcing northern prices higher, forced Lincoln to impose the tarriffs. Enforcing the tarriffs on exports made the south try to sneak the stuff out. That forced Lincoln to blockade the south. The south threatened to secede. The north didn't bite. The south seceded and declared war. THe populace of the north really didn't care and there was a growing call to stop the war and end the blockade. Lincoln used the Emancipation Proclamation and well placed propoganda of mistreatment of slaves to enrage the north. It worked and the rest is history. It has been populist to view the war as slave driven to appease the ever politically stronger black special interest groups since the turn of the century and specifically since the early 60's. School textbooks have been turning out this mess for decades. Don't get me wrong, there were monsterous transgressions against slaves by southern plantation owners, but to think that the slaves were the main issue is hogwash. Many of the northen politicians and officers and wealthy had slaves, they per-se didn't really give a damn, it wasn't until Lincoln threatened their pocketbooks that their minds changed, and they needed to rile up the average folk to support their war.

Also, to further straighten out a few facts. The Confederate Flag, as we know and see it now, was only a Battle flag. It was not the official flag of the Confederacy. It was the flag used by average farmers and fathers and sons, in battle, fighting, in their minds, a war about freedom, unfair taxation, and government oppression, and loyalty to their state. They didn't think it was about slaves, because, as I stated, it wasn't. In there fighters eyes, that flag was like the early American flag, which, by the way, was flown by men fighting for freedom, unfair taxation, and government oppression. Sounds kind of familiar doesn't it. Same as the flag at the Alamo. Fought for the same reasons. Yet those flags are oke-dokie. The one injustly tied to slavery, is not.

I know how some of you guys are and you're gonna flame me for this post. OK, I'll deal with it. I just want you to know that I abhore the actions taken by the plantation owners and the actions of anyone who was tied to making slavery in this country happen at all. I just feel for the young AMERICAN men who died for what they thought was a just cause, and have their memory and cause sullied in the name of racial appeasement.

[Shoot2thrill]

And now.......a history lesson on a FOOTBALL forum site. Geez I hate the dog days of summer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad: :p :rolleyes:

[CCHS77]

And now.......a history lesson on a FOOTBALL forum site. Geez I hate the dog days of summer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad: :p :rolleyes:

Not that your post was wrong about the dog days of (lack of football) summer. But the above history lesson seem (to me) to be well timed and apropreate for where this thread (unfortunately) was headed!

Thanks G OWLS

[RidgePride]

The cause of the civil war was that the southern states believed that it was their rights to decide wether or not they could have slavery.

It was about State rights.

The first State succeeded because Lincoln became president and they knew he was against slavery.

That is why we have a North and South Virginia.


If you take the COLLEGE history Test to become a TEACHER There is a question that asks

What was the cause of the Civil war. The correct answer is (State Rights)
The federal government was trying to take away slavery and the states said it was states right to decide and not the federal government.

GoOwls and Pack - You guys need to go to college or something and learn your history.

[farmerfan]

The first State succeeded because Lincoln became president and they knew he was against slavery.

That is why we have a North and South Virginia.


GoOwls and Pack - You guys need to go to college or something and learn your history.

I dont think anyone should be telling someone to go to college when they make a comment like thats why we have a North and South Virginia.

[dragonsdaddy]

sounds like someone may have asked my wife for directions while headed from kentucky to maryland.

[RidgePride]

I dont think anyone should be telling someone to go to college when they make a comment like thats why we have a North and South Virginia.


You have no clue what you are talking about.
Do you know how North and South Virginia came about?

The sad part is, you don't even realize that you don't know what you are talking about.

Maybe I will give you a history lesson one day - but I get paid to tutor, so you would have to pay me.

[wide-e-wide]

My only beef...was that Headliner's sig is offensive. And very
confusing coming from a guy that constantly makes posts about
Mike Jones and the swishahouse.

GoOwls could be correct though 'yall...after all he is the only one
old enough to remember the civil war. Hahaha........sorry GoOwls
you left yourself wide open...I had to get 'ya.

[CoppellCowboy57]

True...it is a football forum.
But your sig is offensive. What exactly are
you trying to say?
You quote a song that says...you the heir to the Confederacy...(meaning you take over where the Confederacy left off) and Dixie this and Dixie that...dude aren't you from Texas?
Since when did Texas have anything to do with Dixie?
Know your history first homeboy....you are lost.
And aren't you the same guy that post pictures of "Mike Jones" and "Da Swishahouse"?
Yeah............if anything smells of Dixie it's Swishahouse ...they are tight with the brothers at the local klan rally.

Wide-E-Wide the confederate flag isnt offensive, or racist or what ever you think it is...The flag represents the south, its a symbol of pride, I even fly the confed flag on my car every now and then to represent the black people in the confedracy...so get over it bud....

wow I feel bad about that, but lets keep this site about football, i mean sirously, thats why we are all here, black/white/asain/hispanic we are all brought togeither by one thing, 5A Texas Football...If you have a problim with other races get out of here this site doesnt need you

[wide-e-wide]

How can you say it not offensive.
I'm offended........so there you have it.
It is offensive to at least one person.....and probably millions
of others.
And again....When did that flag ever fly over Texas?
Why would a Texan be proud of that flag?
Why not be proud of the Lone Star flag instead? I am....

[wide-e-wide]

Wide-E-Wide the confederate flag isnt offensive, or racist or what ever you think it is...The flag represents the south, its a symbol of pride, I even fly the confed flag on my car every now and then to represent the black people in the confedracy...so get over it bud....

wow I feel bad about that, but lets keep this site about football, i mean sirously, thats why we are all here, black/white/asain/hispanic we are all brought togeither by one thing, 5A Texas Football...If you have a problim with other races get out of here this site doesnt need you

No I don't have a problim....nor a problem for that matter...with other races.
And I am sure the black people are honored that you fly the rebel flag for them....hey while your at it, why not fly the nazi flag in honor of all the jews. I'm sure they would like that as well.

[farmerfan]

You have no clue what you are talking about.
Do you know how North and South Virginia came about?

The sad part is, you don't even realize that you don't know what you are talking about.

Maybe I will give you a history lesson one day - but I get paid to tutor, so you would have to pay me.

Ridge, i dont flame much on people on this board, but you are as ignorant as they come, first you excuse me of skewing my post, but have yet to prove how I do it, then you come on and say I have no clue what I am talking about, I am eagerly awaiting your insightful history lesson you speak of about this north and south Virgina that I have yet to hear of in all my years of school. I know you have a beaf with me, that is fine, I cant help it that you dont know as much as you would like to think you do, but don't tell me I know nothing or that I dont know what I am talking about, cause I know a lot more than you realize.
To tell people they have no clue what they are talking about and that they need to go to college shows your inability to reason. Next time you excuse somebody of something, back it up with facts, and please infrom me of this north and south Virgina you speak of.

[GoOwls]

The cause of the civil war was that the southern states believed that it was their rights to decide wether or not they could have slavery.

It was about State rights.

The first State succeeded because Lincoln became president and they knew he was against slavery.

That is why we have a North and South Virginia.


If you take the COLLEGE history Test to become a TEACHER There is a question that asks

What was the cause of the Civil war. The correct answer is (State Rights)
The federal government was trying to take away slavery and the states said it was states right to decide and not the federal government.

GoOwls and Pack - You guys need to go to college or something and learn your history.

Ridge, you are part of the problem I outlined in my post. You went to college, and bought the company line fed to you by the liberals who run most universities.

I'm sure the question on the test was as you say and the answer is States Rights. Problem is that States Rights has two definitions, the political one and the financial one.

The southern states were growing ever financially stronger, and by trading directly with foreign countries, were putting the squeeze on the federal government. The south was positioning itself to be able to use the foreign trade to force the govt. to relax tarriffs on the south and create competition, and force the feds to pay the going rate for the products or relax the tarriffs. Lincoln was well aware of the financial threat and found the northern populace unwilling to support the fight, so he pulled the slavery issue out of his pocket and used it as the "States Rights" issue to inflame northern sensabilities. It worked and the south lost, and as we know throughout history, the winner gets to write the history books. You are quite simply the victim of 150 years of deception and lies brought forth by the liberal literatti that have sense run the public school systems and schools of upper learning.

Bottom line....it's not a popular thought for the idea of Black People in America getting the truth foronce and finding out that in retrospect, the Lincoln Administration didn't give a hoot about their trials, only the possibility of the Government not being able to pay it's bills and feed and clothe the ever more urban north. You sir are the decieved one.

For reference, my information comes through:
1. My high school history teacher who graduated from SMU with a Masters in History with minors in American Military History and European History. He was taught by a world renowned military historian at SMU.
2. Charles Delafield, a retired professor at SMU, who was teaching US History and US Military History at my local college because he found retirement boring, and those of us who were lucky enough to get into his classes, got a crash course in reality. He knew my HS teacher as he had him in many classes. He was also trained by the same historian at SMU.
3. My ability to read somthing other than what the company line wants me to read.
My HS teacher was being schooled in the 60's and I was schooled in the 70's.

You won't find folks teach the truth anymore because they will loose their jobs.

If you want to be spoonfed your history, go right ahead, but don't be surprised when you find out different......if you choose to look.

[dragonsdaddy]

ridge can just drag out his diploma from the univ of south virginia where he has a bs, and the history class he teaches at unv can write a report on the war that divided va from east to west.

[Rerun]

All this just because I have song lyrics in my signature. Not a picture of a confederate flag. Not a phrase stating that I am racist or anything of that sort, but a simple few lyrics from a classic song from a classic group. All this on a football board. Unreal.

[GoOwls]

ridge can just drag out his diploma from the univ of south virginia where he has a bs, and the history class he teaches at unv can write a report on the war that divided va from east to west.

I know what he's talking about by N. and S. Virginia, but I just got one thing to say about your post.....

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

[GoOwls]

All this just because I have song lyrics in my signature. Not a picture of a confederate flag. Not a phrase stating that I am racist or anything of that sort, but a simple few lyrics from a classic song from a classic group. All this on a football board. Unreal.

I totally agree with you......but ain't it ED-JU-MA-CA-TION-AL. :D

[RidgePride]

ridge can just drag out his diploma from the univ of south virginia where he has a bs, and the history class he teaches at unv can write a report on the war that divided va from east to west.


It was West Virginia -

I was typing fast and made a quick memory jog from my schooling. I had to go back and look it up.

Virginia seceded from the union and westerners of Virginia separated from Virginia Proclaiming West Virginia a new state.

State rights pertains to many things - One of the Big issues was slavery - No it was not the only issue but it was a big issue.

I actually went back and read in my History book about the beginning of the Civil War. If you do not think that Slavery was a major issue in the Civil war, You are only kidding yourselves. Do some more research.

I look for truth - I do not have an agenda

Am I supposed to not believe what I am reading in my history book right in front of me?

Maybe I should believe all the bogus websites on the internet that are made from people that have their own agendas.

[dragons08]

It was West Virginia -

I was typing fast and made a quick memory jog from my schooling. I had to go back and look it up.

Virginia seceded from the union and westerners of Virginia separated from Virginia Proclaiming West Virginia a new state.

State rights pertains to many things - One of the Big issues was slavery - No it was not the only issue but it was a big issue.

I actually went back and read in my History book about the beginning of the Civil War. If you do not think that Slavery was a major issue in the Civil war, You are only kidding yourselves. Do some more research.

I look for truth - I do not have an agenda

Am I supposed to not believe what I am reading in my history book right in front of me?

Maybe I should believe all the bogus websites on the internet that are made from people that have their own agendas.
instead of saying theres other reasons, you should tell us the reasons, im just curious, i only can think of slavery and government stuff (power and what not)

[RidgePride]

instead of saying theres other reasons, you should tell us the reasons, im just curious, i only can think of slavery and government stuff (power and what not)


I apologize for boring so many of you on a FOOTBALL board about all this history stuff.

This comes directly from a college history book: Title is "Texas and the Civil War."

Slavery was one of the issues that divided the nation along sectional or regional lines. The North's population was growing as immigrants came to work in its factories. In contrast to the North's increasingly industrial economy, the South had an agricultural economy that used slave labor. The social and economic differences led to sectional disagreements. For example, the North wanted tariffs because they increased the cost of imported items. During the tarrif dispute, some southerners opposed tariffs because it increased the cost of imported items. During the tariff dispute, some southerners argued that states had a right to ignore tariffs and other federal laws. Under this states rights argument, state power was greater than federal power. As the United States expanded westward, Congress debated whether territories would enter the union as free or slave states...

In 1857 the U.S. Supreme court dealt antislavery forces a blow with the Dred Scott decision. The court ruled that African Americans were not citizens, and therefore could not sue in federal court. The court also ruled that congress could not ban slavery in any federal territory. The ruling shocked many Northerners.

In 1860 Republican Abraham Lincoln won the presidential election. He received no electoral votes from the South because many southerners feared that he would support abolition (ending slavery).

The two regions had economic differences that led to political disagreements. The South's agricultural economy relied on slavery, while the abolition movement was growing in the North.


I have no agenda here guys - I am not even black -I have never heard of the group Mike Jones and the swishahouse.

I just know what I have read in books and stuff.

The civil war did have a lot to do with the right to slavery. The confederate flag can be very offensive.

[dragons08]

I apologize for boring so many of you on a FOOTBALL board about all this history stuff.

This comes directly from a college history book:

Slavery was one of the issues that divided the nation along sectional or regional lines. The North's population was growing as immigrants came to work in its factories. In contrast to the North's increasingly industrial economy, the South had an agricultural economy that used slave labor. The social and economic differences led to sectional disagreements. For example, the North wanted tariffs because they increased the cost of imported items. During the tarrif dispute, some southerners opposed tarrifs because it increased the cost of imported items. During the tariff dispute, some southerners argued that states had a right to ignore tariffs and other federal laws. Under this states rights argument, state power was greater than federal power. As the United States expanded westward, Congress debated whether territories would enter the union as free or slave states...

In 1857 the U.S. Supreme court dealt antislavery forces a blow with the Dred Scott decision. The court ruled that African Americans were not citizens, and therefore could not sue in federal court. The court also ruled that congress could not ban slavery in any federal territory. The ruling shocked many Northerners.

In 1860 Republican Abraham Lincoln won the presidential election. He received no electoral votes from the South because many southerners feared that he would support abolition (ending slavery).

The two regions had economic differences that led to political disagreements. The South's agricultural economy relied on slavery, while the abolition movement was growing in the North.
us history never bores me, i love us history, i think its neat learning about how we came about today, and acuttaly your right, i forgot about those reasons, congrats to you for proving us wrong

[NewSherriffInTown]

I Understand that this is a football forum, but why is it such a problem if people get off topic when it comes to education??


Everyone here has now heard some sort of a different viewpoint on things. They may all be right, may all be wrong, but we now can have a little bit better perspective about things. It's always good to hear differing opinions. That's how people get educated.


Personally, I think the reason the North used Anti-Slavery as a tool was the same reasons that the government outlaws drugs now. They don't want people making money on something they can't get a cut of. I think it's the same thing. That's why they wanted to tax the South, and when the South said no, they said well then you can't have slaves. The southern states wanted it to be a state's decision on that subject, it blew up, and South Carolina seceded and boom we had a Civil War.

The northerner may not have cared too much about the well-being of the slaves, but the war was basically about slavery. Just for different reasons than people think.

If you think that the Northernors actually cared about the black slaves than why were they still treated like hell when they were in the North.


As for the original topic of the Confederate flag, in my opinion as a Northeastern American, A New Yorker...it represents slavery, racism, and all that jazz, just like a swastika represents everything it does.


Also, what is the whole "Dixie" thing?? Sorry if I sound ignorant on this one.


I'll get HAMMERED for this one, but I don't like the laws about the Texas flag and how it can be flown at the same height as the American flag, and how much the Texas flag represents. I understand that Texans were basically invaded over the past 20 years by other Americans and its your idea of showing that you are a native Texan, etc...but I feel like you guys care more about that flag than the American flag, and that irks me a little bit.

Sorta like the Puerto Rican flag being waved all over New York all the time when you are in the USA.

[atlfan25]

I'll get HAMMERED for this one, but I don't like the laws about the Texas flag and how it can be flown at the same height as the American flag, and how much the Texas flag represents. I understand that Texans were basically invaded over the past 20 years by other Americans and its your idea of showing that you are a native Texan, etc...but I feel like you guys care more about that flag than the American flag, and that irks me a little bit.

Sorta like the Puerto Rican flag being waved all over New York all the time when you are in the USA.
the texas flag should be above the american flag. below the tx flag should be the confederate flag, then the american flag.

[dragons08]

the texas flag should be above the american flag. below the tx flag should be the confederate flag, then the american flag.
i strongly disagree, it should be american flag, texas flag, then southlake carrol dragon flag :D

[NewSherriffInTown]

So who is this really?? With only 3 posts, its obvious you have another name on this forum.


What a crock. People like you are the reason I wish we had crazy treason laws and stuff and if you represent alot of the Texans, I don't know if I want to even visit Texas anymore let alone move there in August.

I'm sure that makes all the "Native Texans" happier anyway.

[dragons08]

So who is this really?? With only 3 posts, its obvious you have another name on this forum.


What a crock. People like you are the reason I wish we had crazy treason laws and stuff and if you represent alot of the Texans, I don't know if I want to even visit Texas anymore let alone move there in August.

I'm sure that makes all the "Native Texans" happier anyway.
probally just somebody trying to get arise out of all the native texans, im from the north, but i can understand why texas is proud of be texas and it doesnt bother me, but what does is the texas flag being equal to the american flag, its the united states, all for one one for all, not all for one and texas. please dont take this as offensive, i know how much pride people have from being a native texan, i have pride of living here and im from the north, but im just saying the united states, should be first on anybodys list then the state, just my opinion

[RidgePride]

I Understand that this is a football forum, but why is it such a problem if people get off topic when it comes to education??


Everyone here has now heard some sort of a different viewpoint on things. They may all be right, may all be wrong, but we now can have a little bit better perspective about things. It's always good to hear differing opinions. That's how people get educated.


Personally, I think the reason the North used Anti-Slavery as a tool was the same reasons that the government outlaws drugs now. They don't want people making money on something they can't get a cut of. I think it's the same thing. That's why they wanted to tax the South, and when the South said no, they said well then you can't have slaves. The southern states wanted it to be a state's decision on that subject, it blew up, and South Carolina seceded and boom we had a Civil War.

The northerner may not have cared too much about the well-being of the slaves, but the war was basically about slavery. Just for different reasons than people think.

If you think that the Northernors actually cared about the black slaves than why were they still treated like hell when they were in the North.


As for the original topic of the Confederate flag, in my opinion as a Northeastern American, A New Yorker...it represents slavery, racism, and all that jazz, just like a swastika represents everything it does.


Also, what is the whole "Dixie" thing?? Sorry if I sound ignorant on this one.


I'll get HAMMERED for this one, but I don't like the laws about the Texas flag and how it can be flown at the same height as the American flag, and how much the Texas flag represents. I understand that Texans were basically invaded over the past 20 years by other Americans and its your idea of showing that you are a native Texan, etc...but I feel like you guys care more about that flag than the American flag, and that irks me a little bit.

Sorta like the Puerto Rican flag being waved all over New York all the time when you are in the USA.


I enjoy your perspective NewSherriff -

The confederate flag is part of our history and it does have its place. In our history books - museums -history classroom - etc. We need to know about our past.

I hate seeing them hanging around by people who are not as educated as they think. They all say "Its Not Hatred - Its Heritage"

These same people have never took the time to pick up a book in college or the local library and read what it represents.

I will always research something - If I am wrong, I will admit it.

[dragons08]

I will always research something - If I am wrong, I will admit it.
good trait to have man

[atlfan25]

So who is this really?? With only 3 posts, its obvious you have another name on this forum.


What a crock. People like you are the reason I wish we had crazy treason laws and stuff and if you represent alot of the Texans, I don't know if I want to even visit Texas anymore let alone move there in August.

I'm sure that makes all the "Native Texans" happier anyway.
hahahahaha is it obvious??
i was just messin around, i thought it was hilarious all this over someone's sig.

[dragons08]

hahahahaha is it obvious??
i was just messin around, i thought it was hilarious all this over someone's sig.
oh i thought you were serious abot the flag thing, i was like man that dude has some problems

[RidgePride]

hahahahaha is it obvious??
i was just messin around, i thought it was hilarious all this over someone's sig.


some of us have nothing better to do in the summer.

[dragons08]

some of us have nothing better to do in the summer.
good point, i for one sit my butt on the computer talking to my friends about how bored we are, but none of us take the initative 2 do anything

[atlfan25]

i don't care much about the confederate flag, but if someone likes it i am fine with that.
i accept anyone's beliefs about anything even if it strongly opposes my beliefs, that what makes america, america.

[atlfan25]

some of us have nothing better to do in the summer.
what should i be doing at midnight during the summer if i am not yet tired?? what do you suggest would be better use of my time when i came across this thread?? i decided to get a laugh instead of continue on, what is the problem with that?

[Rerun]

I like sugar and I like tea...

[RidgePride]

what should i be doing at midnight during the summer if i am not yet tired?? what do you suggest would be better use of my time when i came across this thread?? i decided to get a laugh instead of continue on, what is the problem with that?

???

[atlfan25]

I was referring to myself and all others who are off in the summer.
i see that what you said could have several interpretations.

[GoOwls]

I apologize for boring so many of you on a FOOTBALL board about all this history stuff.

This comes directly from a college history book: Title is "Texas and the Civil War."

Slavery was one of the issues that divided the nation along sectional or regional lines. The North's population was growing as immigrants came to work in its factories. In contrast to the North's increasingly industrial economy, the South had an agricultural economy that used slave labor. The social and economic differences led to sectional disagreements. For example, the North wanted tariffs because they increased the cost of imported items. During the tarrif dispute, some southerners opposed tariffs because it increased the cost of imported items. During the tariff dispute, some southerners argued that states had a right to ignore tariffs and other federal laws. Under this states rights argument, state power was greater than federal power. As the United States expanded westward, Congress debated whether territories would enter the union as free or slave states...

In 1857 the U.S. Supreme court dealt antislavery forces a blow with the Dred Scott decision. The court ruled that African Americans were not citizens, and therefore could not sue in federal court. The court also ruled that congress could not ban slavery in any federal territory. The ruling shocked many Northerners.

In 1860 Republican Abraham Lincoln won the presidential election. He received no electoral votes from the South because many southerners feared that he would support abolition (ending slavery).

The two regions had economic differences that led to political disagreements. The South's agricultural economy relied on slavery, while the abolition movement was growing in the North.


I have no agenda here guys - I am not even black -I have never heard of the group Mike Jones and the swishahouse.

I just know what I have read in books and stuff.

The civil war did have a lot to do with the right to slavery. The confederate flag can be very offensive.

Ridge, you went right to the confounded biased history book I talked about and quoted from it. It sounded great....and gave a populist view. I wonder why schools of all levels review books and choose which ones to use as curiculum? Because there are many books available, and almost all have a political agenda they push by careful usage of wording. Thanks to the teaching I got I saw competing history books compared side-by-side. You wouldn't believe the difference from book to book. If you believe your populist version word for word, it just points to your lack of enlightenment, which was highlighted by the fact you had to write verbatim from a school text to make any form of arguement. I consider myself a Christian and I know it is difficult for almost anyone to believe the bible, word for word, yet, guys like you will take a history book, written by who knows who, an just because it says it's so, you wrap yourself in every word. A pretty narrow scope of enlightenment if you ask me.

Dragons08, just because he quoted some book, don't believe it, find out for yourself at the library, make your own decisions, don't take the word of someone who, even now, doesn't know who the publishers or authors are of the book, and their political agendas, of the book he quotes from.

It's like the news, most folks come home and whatever old Dan Rather or Tom Brokaw or Peter Jennings said......was law. How many times over the years have we found out they were wrong? Same with the texts, political agendas tend to discolor truth and reality.

[Rerun]

I like sugar and I like tea...

[pack0808]

goowls made all my points that i would make and then some. the guy knows true history and knows about liberals and their control over colleges. honestly ridgepride, if you think slavery was the main reason for the civil war then i would have to question your education like you did mine?? did you know many wealthy families in the north had slaves at that time also?? and if the war was all about slavery then why did african americans continue to be severely mistreated and why were they not given many rights until long long after the civil war?? the north could have given a flip about the slaves or african american rights it was all about $$$$. you honestly think zillions of caucasion us citizens from the north in the 1800's risked their lives and died all in the name of slaves?? :rolleyes: wow!!

the fact is, the confederate flag can be offensive to many people because dispicable groups like the skin heads and kkk hijacked the south's flag for their hateful purpose. i personally would not fly one around on my vehical because of that fact. but in reality, that flag does not represent racisim if you look up the true history of the confederate flag. goowls explained it brilliantly.

[RidgePride]

Ridge, you went right to the confounded biased history book I talked about and quoted from it. It sounded great....and gave a populist view. I wonder why schools of all levels review books and choose which ones to use as curiculum? Because there are many books available, and almost all have a political agenda they push by careful usage of wording. Thanks to the teaching I got I saw competing history books compared side-by-side. You wouldn't believe the difference from book to book. If you believe your populist version word for word, it just points to your lack of enlightenment, which was highlighted by the fact you had to write verbatim from a school text to make any form of arguement. I consider myself a Christian and I know it is difficult for almost anyone to believe the bible, word for word, yet, guys like you will take a history book, written by who knows who, an just because it says it's so, you wrap yourself in every word. A pretty narrow scope of enlightenment if you ask me.

Dragons08, just because he quoted some book, don't believe it, find out for yourself at the library, make your own decisions, don't take the word of someone who, even now, doesn't know who the publishers or authors are of the book, and their political agendas, of the book he quotes from.

It's like the news, most folks come home and whatever old Dan Rather or Tom Brokaw or Peter Jennings said......was law. How many times over the years have we found out they were wrong? Same with the texts, political agendas tend to discolor truth and reality.


You know what GoOwls.

How do you know what you have been taught is true too? How do you know which book to believe when you looked at them both side by side?

I know What is being taught in our class rooms about the civil war in Middle school - High school.

I am the only person on the board that went to a College book for my information and simply wrote what was in there.

I never said that people in the North cared about their slaves or treated them nicely. I said the war had many factors with slavery being a part of it.

I don't care what reason the North was fighting against slavery - - But they were. Again I have never said it was all about slavery. I don't care if it was 5% about slavery 95% about other issues.

If you are black and one side is fighting presumebly for you and the other side is against you, wouldn't the side fighting against you be offensive?

Can the flag that represents someone fighting against you can be taken offensively?

You are saying that there was no division or issue between North and South regarding Slavery?

Slavery had absolutely nothing to do with it?


Anyway - you can say what you want - this is the last I will post about this.
everyone asks me to back up my statements - then no one else does - Including you OWL. You don't even have to back it up and you have people agreeing with you.


That is how the David Koreshes of the world get started.

[pack0808]

ok i can live with that now that you said that slavery might not have been the biggest reason for fighting the civil war. at first, it sounded as if you were saying slavery was the main reason or even the biggest reason for the civil war and i could not disagree more with that point. that is my last thought on the subject also. it is nothing personal at all, i just happen to disagree with you on a little history. it is not a big deal to me that is for sure.

[RidgePride]

goowls made all my points that i would make and then some. the guy knows true history and knows about liberals and their control over colleges. honestly ridgepride, if you think slavery was the main reason
for the civil war

It was A reason - it doesn't matter if it was the main reason


did you know many wealthy families in the north had slaves at that time also?? Yes I did

and if the war was all about slavery I never said it was all about slavery

then why did african americans continue to be severely mistreated and why were they not given many rights until long long after the civil war?? the north could have given a flip about the slaves it was all about $$$$. you honestly think zillions of caucasion us citizens from the north in the 1800's risked their lives and died all in the name of slaves?? :rolleyes: wow!! No I don't think that - I never said that either


the fact is, the confederate flag can be offensive to many people because dispicable groups like the skin heads and kkk hijacked the south's flag for their hateful purpose. i personally would not fly one around on my vehical because of that fact. but in reality, that flag does not represent racisim if you look up the true history of the confederate flag. goowls explained it brilliantly.


Lets put it this way - Lets say a black person gets a job because of affirmative action. The Boss Hates him because he is racist but he had to do it.

That black person would be able to live a better life because of it.

The North had many agendas to fight for - slavery being one of them for whatever reason. (Even if they are like the racist boss and could give a flip about you ).

As a Black slave, I am going to side myself with whoever is fighting for me for whatever reason - so that I can have a better (not equal) life.

The Confederate flag represented the South (and slavery) for the Blacks

To the White man, and people like GoOwl it is not all about slavery -
To the Slaves (Blacks) - It is all about them. In that sense, The war to Black Americans was all about slavery because that was what threatened their livelyhood.

Even if Slavery was only 5% of an issue to the White Northerners.

The problem is that you are only able to see it from one point of view (White Man).
How can you not see it from a slaves (Black) perspective?

[dada]

Lets put it this way - Lets say a black person gets a job because of affirmative action. The Boss Hates him because he is racist but he had to do it.

That black person would be able to live a better life because of it.

The North had many agendas to fight for - slavery being one of them for whatever reason. (Even if they are like the racist boss and could give a flip about you ).

As a Black slave, I am going to side myself with whoever is fighting for me for whatever reason - so that I can have a better (not equal) life.

The Confederate flag represented the South (and slavery) for the Blacks

To the White man, it is not all about slavery -
To the Slaves (Blacks) - It is all about them.
Even if it was only 5% to the North.

How can you not see it from a slaves perspective?


I'm staying away from this topic....I just wanted to say something about your quote at the bottom, and hopefully change the subject. I use a quote at the bottom of emails that could go along with yours. It says:

If there is no such thing as a stupid question, then what kind of questions to stupid people ask? Or do they get smart just in time to ask a question.

[Big Daddy Cool]

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[GoOwls]

I have a couple of final statements on this issue and then I'm through, I think, for the most part, you know how I feel on this subject.

I do not mean to minimize the slavery issue, it just wasn't what the war was actually fought over, it was a side issue that Lincoln brilliantly used to inflame a mostly indifferent north. If you truly believe the books, that slavery was the main reason, go look in the same book and find the part where it gives the reasons that the Federal Government (the North) stood by and allowed almost 100 years of oppression, harrassment, beatings, racial segregation, hangings, and other forms of death and intimidation, upon the black community of the United States, when a war was fought in which Americans fought Americans, and hunderds of thousands were killed, mostly white, to free them and keep such attrocities from happening, and the corner wasn't turned until the Civil Rights Acts began to be passed in 1964.

I seriously doubt that your book can or will explain the 100 year gap that the most costly war, in lives, in our history was supposed to close.

I don't need a book to tell me why it took 100 years to fix something so costly, and begin to really give Blacks in America their rights won in a war fought so long ago.

It's because it WASN'T about them at all, it was about the Bling-Bling.

If it was about them, the Northerners would have never let so many die and allowed the oppression go on for 100 years.

It just doesn't make any sense your way.....sorry.

The thing that will ultimately bring this nation down, is when we stop thinking for ourselves and buy the government spew as fact. Use your mind and decide for yourself, don't let others do it for you. Find multiple sources, add them together, mix well, and then process the info and come to a thought out conclusion, based on facts and common sense.

I'm done.

[RockinL]

How can you say it not offensive.
I'm offended........so there you have it.
It is offensive to at least one person.....and probably millions
of others.
And again....When did that flag ever fly over Texas?
Why would a Texan be proud of that flag?
Why not be proud of the Lone Star flag instead? I am....
Your offended. So what.
Get over it. It's a free country to express differing opinions.

How did this country become so thin skinned and whiney??

[pack0808]

it is called extreme liberalism and political correctness rockinL. i like to call it the wussification of america.

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how impolite of rpm to hijack this thread and try to bring it back to it's title.

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[RPM]

how impolite of rpm to hijack this thread and try to bring it back to it's title.

LOL!

politics...hate the topic...reps..dems..social..liberal....there all in a sea of there own $hi*

[pack0808]

how impolite of rpm to hijack this thread and try to bring it back to it's title.


yeah!! shame on him!! ;)

[GoOwls]

how impolite of rpm to hijack this thread and try to bring it back to it's title.

Yeah....party-pooper....ruin all our fun!! :D

[wide-e-wide]

Yeah, who does he think he is? Doesn't he know I do all the
hijacking of threads around here? The nerve.......

[GoOwls]

Yeah....what Wide said. :D

[ktCarl]

Hey, Guys and maybe Gals, what does the logo represent on the PSJA Memorial Wolverines helmet? It's the same as the Michagan Wolverines but I just don't get it. It doesn't look like a wolverine to me. It has to represent something other than a fierce rodent.


DISCLAIMER FOR THE ULTR-SENSITIVE:
By-the-way, I like the logo and yes the rodent comment was just in fun.

P.S. When does Texas 5A football finally begin? I'll have a doctorate in U.S. and Texas history if I read these off season threads too much.

[dragonsdaddy]

it can't be soon enough.

[texashelmetproject]

Most of these I will need the actual helmet decal scanned. Do you have any game pictures for these schools? I saw a game picture last year of Mission Veterans Memorial and noticed they did not have the red stripe down their helmet.

Is PSJA Memorial helmet actually green? I did Spring's which is like Memorial's, but black instead. Someone sent me a picture that looked exactly like the one shown of PSJA. I saw a game picture of Spring and the actual helmet was black, not green. That is why I prefer to see game pictures or actual pictures of the real helmet. Thanks though!

I have done these helmets.
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Mission Veteran
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