2010 Herbstreit Varsity Series Labor Day

[onevision]

Cedar Hill vs Denton Guyer
Desoto vs Arlington Bowie
Skyline vs St Thomas Aquinas

[trojanbacker]

Trinity's been kicked out?

[onevision]

Trinity's been kicked out?

From what I understand. Lineweaver didnt want the game

[maxtor]

Cedar Hill vs Denton Guyer
Desoto vs Arlington Bowie
Skyline vs St Thomas Aquinas

Why would Skyline want to play STA? Good luck.:confused:

[onevision]

Why would Skyline want to play STA? Good luck.:confused:

Why not.... Some times you got to go for it...

[maxtor]

From what I understand. Lineweaver didnt want the game

Yet another reason Lineweaver should be president. When SLC lined up Miami NW it was half a year of build up and talk. It will wear you out and is a HUGE distraction that overshadows everything else.
It will really wear you out if you lose. LOL. :(:(:(

p.s. Did I mention that I hate that :Censor: SMU Ford Stadium?

Its in Dallas.

ZERO parking.

Southlake is 0-2 there.

[baylordad]

Trinity's been kicked out?

DMN said Coach did not want to play on Monday and start district play on Friday. Three days to prepare for district play is not much. Makes sense to me. Don't know if DMN knows what they are talking about or not.

[SLC]

Yet another reason Lineweaver should be president. When SLC lined up Miami NW it was half a year of build up and talk. It will wear you out and is a HUGE distraction that overshadows everything else.
It will really wear you out if you lose. LOL. :(:(:(

p.s. Did I mention that I hate that :Censor: SMU Ford Stadium?

Its in Dallas.

ZERO parking.

Southlake is 0-2 there.


Carroll is 2-2 there.;)

[trojanbacker]

DMN said Coach did not want to play on Monday and start district play on Friday. Three days to prepare for district play is not much. Makes sense to me. Don't know if DMN knows what they are talking about or not.

Was joking about being "kicked out". I'm sorry we won't be playing in it this year though.

[SLC]

So lets keep Shiloh and get Lake Travis to play them.:)

[CCCSportsFan]

DMN said Coach did not want to play on Monday and start district play on Friday. Three days to prepare for district play is not much. Makes sense to me. Don't know if DMN knows what they are talking about or not.

Coach Lineweaver has his eye on the big prize it sounds like. Win your district and be set for the playoffs. The Herbie is nice, but not if puts you behind the 8-ball for the first district game.

[FatBoy of Troy]

Shiloh Christian vs. Lake Travis or Stony Point...man...I would definetly pay to go see either of those games!!:D:D:D

See a Texas size @$$wh00pin put on Arkansass.

[OakTreeUp-n-Out]

Skyline vs St Thomas Aquinas

You cannot be serious.

[da hawaiian]

Man

I hate that we're not playing in the Herbstreit

But putting us in a 9 team district ruined the Herbstriet for us, this year and next.

[maxtor]

Carroll is 2-2 there.;)
You know, youre right. Its selective memory burned into my brain. 2-2 sucks for SLC.:)

[SLC]

You know, youre right. Its selective memory burned into my brain. 2-2 sucks for SLC.:)


Agreed. Any win is good up here, but those 2 especially hurt to lose.

[SLC]

Man

I hate that we're not playing in the Herbstreit

But putting us in a 9 team district ruined the Herbstriet for us, this year and next.


It's back on now and the Texas Herbie is now set...

Trinity vs. Shiloh (Ark.)
DeSoto vs. 0Arlington Bowie
Denton Guyer vs. Cedar Hill
Skyline vs. St. Thomas Aquinas (Fla.)


http://theoldcoach.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=798&tid=131252266&mid=131252266&sid=984&style=2

[da hawaiian]

It's back on now and the Texas Herbie is now set...

Trinity vs. Shiloh (Ark.)
DeSoto vs. 0Arlington Bowie
Denton Guyer vs. Cedar Hill
Skyline vs. St. Thomas Aquinas (Fla.)


http://theoldcoach.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=798&tid=131252266&mid=131252266&sid=984&style=2

YES!!!!! :notworthy

Thanks for keeping tabs Champ

[CCDawgs]

You cannot be serious.

Much better than going to watch Mansfield schools play.

[farmerfan]

You cannot be serious.

Oak,
You might know the OOS teams as well as anybody on here and you are always very objective with your thoughts. SLC has told me in PM's about STA and I was just curious about your thoughts on what they return and how you would see this possible game shaking out?
Thanks

[da hawaiian]

On sheer reputation alone, STA would be heavy favorites.

I wish Canes was still active on the boards. Looks like he's taken a self-imposed sabatical to avoid the fallout from STA falling in the Florida Semi's.

I wish he'd snap out of it soon and add his 2 cents.

[steeler 01]

Oak,
You might know the OOS teams as well as anybody on here and you are always very objective with your thoughts. SLC has told me in PM's about STA and I was just curious about your thoughts on what they return and how you would see this possible game shaking out?
Thanks

STA graduated their entire team almost, but they reload every year. They always have a ton of speed, and are very well coached. They love to bring the house on defense. On offense their a run first team, but they throw the ball very well. They use a lot of formations on offense.

[farmerfan]

STA graduated their entire team almost, but they reload every year. They always have a ton of speed, and are very well coached. They love to bring the house on defense. On offense their a run first team, but they throw the ball very well. They use a lot of formations on offense.

Thanks buddy.

I love teams that run the rock and bring the house on defense. If the reload does that mean we wiill have some that will come in with the recruting angle?;)

[steeler 01]

Here's some of their highlights against Byrnes.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlkDd8oqlFM

[da hawaiian]

STA graduated their entire team almost, but they reload every year. They always have a ton of speed, and are very well coached. They love to bring the house on defense. On offense their a run first team, but they throw the ball very well. They use a lot of formations on offense.

God would I love to see more of that at Trinity, Trinity is very old school - Attrition philosophy over Attack. Trinity fans have learned to accept that we are gonna Zone blitz, the art of blitzing without really blitzing.

[farmerfan]

Here's some of their highlights against Byrnes.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlkDd8oqlFM

Thanks. Looks like they base out of a 4-3 on defense but they have speed at the outsided LB positions and everywhere else on the field. That QB they had was very good in that video. Thanks again

[farmerfan]

God would I love to see more of that at Trinity, Trinity is very old school - Attrition philosophy over Attack. Trinity fans have learned to accept that we are gonna Zone blitz, the art of blitzing without really blitzing.

Do you guys still have the same DC as you did in '04?

I have oftend commented on the game you all had against Duncanville that year but that game was one of the best games I have ever seen. Trinity brought the house that year and the Duncanvilile game was the closest thing I have seen in person to a college game. Trinity definitely was not zone blitzing that night at Tx Stadium

[da hawaiian]

Do you guys still have the same DC as you did in '04?

I have oftend commented on the game you all had against Duncanville that year but that game was one of the best games I have ever seen. Trinity brought the house that year and the Duncanvilile game was the closest thing I have seen in person to a college game. Trinity definitely was not zone blitzing that night at Tx Stadium

I wish I saw it. Stuck in Utah and missed all of '04 and '05. Thus my post count on other boards lol.

This year was heavy zone blitz if not alway zone blitz. Stemm 5 or 6 bring one less than you show while dropping the DE - while playing a 7yd + cushion. Against good QB's it's cardiac stuff.

But the skins are on the wall right. It's takes supreme discipline to stick with it

[farmerfan]

I wish I saw it. Stuck in Utah and missed all of '04 and '05. Thus my post count on other boards lol.

This year was heavy zone blitz if not alway zone blitz. Stemm 5 or 6 bring one less than you show while dropping the DE - while playing a 7yd + cushion. Against good QB's it's cardiac stuff.

In all honestly it remains one of the very best HS football games I have ever seen. Trinity was marching down on Duncanville in the late first half going towards the single tunnel end and I remember watching the play that capped off the drive. The Trinity O-Line had a line surge that extended from around the 9 well into the endzone and Nance went in untouched. It was unreal. THe hitting in that game was unlike anything I have ever seen while attending a HS football game.

The zone blitz had its places and I know coach Tyrone has proven himself so I am not going to question it and I know you are not doing that either but just wondering.
Playing spread teams leaves you in some what of a bind, you are limited in what you can and can't do on defense and have to be careful. I am glad I am not in a DC position right now to try and figure it out.

[da hawaiian]

Thankyou for putting me right.

Zone blitz fits Trinity's Personel. It takes a special secondary especially against the spread to live and die by man coverage while you bring the house. Call it Envy. Making the right call is only half the battle, your players still have to execute.

[farmerfan]

Thankyou for putting me right.

Zone blitz fits Trinity's Personel. It takes a special secondary especially against the spread to live and die by man coverage while you bring the house. Call it Envy. Making the right call is only half the battle, your players still have to execute.

Please do not take that as me putting your right. I am not doing that. I just know that Coach T has his reasons why he runs what he does and it leaves it to debate.

You know more X's and O's than anyone else on this board. I learn from your posts buddy.

I really wish you could find a way to get a hold of that '04 game between Trinity and Duncanville. It truly is one of the best games I HAVE EVER SEEN :notworthy

[MLB3725]

D Coordinator has been the D-line coach, Coach Tryon, since the 2004-2005 season. The 2003-2004 season had Coach Gee as the def coordinator. I am not sure where, but he left Trinity after that season to coach elsewhere.

[OakTreeUp-n-Out]

Oak,
You might know the OOS teams as well as anybody on here and you are always very objective with your thoughts. SLC has told me in PM's about STA and I was just curious about your thoughts on what they return and how you would see this possible game shaking out?
Thanks

I don't know much about STA... know a lot more about Shiloh. Here's what I think I know, hopefully Canes0017 or whatever his name is doesn't rip it up too much.

STA O- QB Jacob Rudock is a smart and talented kid who returns. They lose Lamarcus Joyner (FSU) who was a playmaker all over the field on offense when needed (primarily a safety in the game I saw, but so good they used him a lot on O as well), but Rudock will have two big time WRs back in Phillip Dorsett and Rashad Greene. Both of those guys will be mid/high D1 (at least) and get coaching from Cris Carter at STA, so the talent and coaching should all be there in the passing game. Back up QB is the son of Mark Whipple, the Miami Hurricanes' OC. Rudock, Green, Dorsett all started and played in plenty of big time situations so they are vets and battle tested. At RB they lose two big time talents in Gio Bernard (North Carolina) and James White (Wisconsin). I'm not sure exactly who they have coming back at RB, but there is no shortage of talent in the area. The OL will take a hit with losses of their two OTs, Brandon Linder and Jermaine Barton (both to Miami). Again, I don't know what they have coming back there, but it's a very safe bet that they will be (a) big (b) well conditioned (c) well coached.

STA D- I really don't know much, as most of the recognizable names from that D have graduated. All four of their DBs last year were D1 kids (Miami, FSU, Florida, and Marshall) but there was another underclassman who had transferred in the year prior whose name I don't know/remember who played quite a bit towards the end of the year and looked good in the backfield (I've heard). The game that I saw, they had a SR MLB who appeared to be a huge emotional leader... he's gone as well. I think both of their DTs were seniors, not sure, but they have a DE/LB type named Ken Hankerson, who is big and athletic. I have little doubt that they will fill in the holes. Don't want to get into the 'recruiting' discussion too much, but just last year in their defensive backfield alone they welcomed Keion Payne (Miami), Lamarcus Joyner (FSU), and the JR whose name I can't remember but will probably also be a D1 kid, all from local schools, so there's a lot of talent in the South Florida area that finds its way to STA. (And why not... it's a marquee program with history, good education, and lots of D1 recruiters setting up camp on the practice field).

They lose two D1 level kickers in Michael Palardy (Tennessee) and Ben Hopfinger (TCU or Miami I think, not sure), so not sure what kicking game will be like.

Bottom line - they will be well coached, tough up front, and have the athletes on the outside to matchup with Skyline. The first part there (well coached) combined with Skyline only returning like 3 starters makes this game a very tough one. I will be there yelling loud for Skyline, and you never know... it's not like there's any shortage of talent at Skyline.

[da hawaiian]

You rock Oaktree

[OakTreeUp-n-Out]

You rock Oaktree

Well it was really just a lot of incoherent rambling with me saying who they had last year and not knowing who they have this year, but thanks for the props. I have their game vs. Byrnes last year still on DVR, I'll watch it one of these cold rainy days when I can't spend my spare time fishing. :D

[OakTreeUp-n-Out]

So anybody see Skyline's JV last year? I know about Wallace and the safety, but from what I can tell, it sounds like they graduated, literally, everyone else... save one OL. What will they have?

[E-Vol-ution]

The Skyline folks were talking highly of their underclassmen.........some have been on D1 radar already. Look for both teams to be amped up with minor miscues from new faces catching up to the higher level of play on both sides of the ball.
So anybody see Skyline's JV last year? I know about Wallace and the safety, but from what I can tell, it sounds like they graduated, literally, everyone else... save one OL. What will they have?

[SLC]

So anybody see Skyline's JV last year? I know about Wallace and the safety, but from what I can tell, it sounds like they graduated, literally, everyone else... save one OL. What will they have?


Oak, it sounds like we'll get a game between two teams that graduated excellent classes following last season. I'd definately say the ability to re-load will make Aquinas the favorites, as they are typically busting at the seams with talent, Skyline usually does pretty well also, but I haven't seen them have a class this talented before...possibly their '09 class was, but I'd rate this one better.


For those unaware, here is what both teams lost (D1 Caliber Wise)...

Dallas Skyline:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/recruit-search-results?year=2010&sport_id=1&sport=football&keywords=dallas+skyline

St. Thomas Aquinas:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/recruit-search-results?year=2010&sport_id=1&sport=football&keywords=st+thomas+aquinas



Here is what both have coming back (D1 Caliber Wise, so far)

Dallas Skyline:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/recruit-search-results?year=2011&sport_id=1&sport=football&keywords=dallas+skyline

St. Thomas Aquinas:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/recruit-search-results;_ylt=AmqFnj2fbnH2nB1QKVhI8EtHPZB4?sport=fo otball&year=2011&highschool_text=St.+Thomas+Aquinas&highschools=10206&state=Florida

[da hawaiian]

Oak you said you're familiar with Shiloh? What can you share with us personell wise?

[OakTreeUp-n-Out]

Hawaiian - I'll post that sometime in next few days for sure. Keep me honest.

re: STA, OL Bobby Hart from local Cardinal Gibbons has transferred in, per Rivals. He has offers from Tennessee, Georgia, Florida State, etc. So there's one spot filled.

[Texasfrog]

Hawaiian - I'll post that sometime in next few days for sure. Keep me honest.

re: STA, OL Bobby Hart from local Cardinal Gibbons has transferred in, per Rivals. He has offers from Tennessee, Georgia, Florida State, etc. So there's one spot filled.

Say it aint so.....??? Another talented prep football player from South Florida ends up transfering to STA.

Hmmmm, cant be anything fishy there and I'm sure he is paying the full tuition to attend that Private School "Sports Academy.":rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Canes0177]

On sheer reputation alone, STA would be heavy favorites.

I wish Canes was still active on the boards. Looks like he's taken a self-imposed sabatical to avoid the fallout from STA falling in the Florida Semi's.

I wish he'd snap out of it soon and add his 2 cents.

Not true. I took off weeks before that loss.

[farmerfan]

Get em Kermit. We know that would never be allowed to happen in Texas :notworthy

[da hawaiian]

Not true. I took off weeks before that loss.

Haha

I knew you couldn't stay away too long. So what's the scoop on the Aquinas?

[steeler 01]

get em kermit. We know that would never be allowed to happen in texas :notworthy

lol

[Trinity Alum]

Get em Kermit. We know that would never be allowed to happen in Texas :notworthy

Greatness

[Matthew 2000 Eagle]

So anybody see Skyline's JV last year? I know about Wallace and the safety, but from what I can tell, it sounds like they graduated, literally, everyone else... save one OL. What will they have?

If I'm not mistaken, Skyline's JV lost 1, maybe 2, and I don't think the freshman team lost but 1.

Can someone please correct me if I'm wrong?

[Canes0177]

Haha

I knew you couldn't stay away too long. So what's the scoop on the Aquinas?

We're playing Skyline (TX) in place of Upper Arlington and Camden County (GA) in place of Byrnes. The rest of the schedule is the same as last year.

The returning players are hungry to get the championship back. We lose more players than we return. But the players we return are in key positions like QB, WR, OL, LB. We have major concerns at RB, DL and DB.

The JV team was 7-0 last year. A lot of athletes on that team moving up to varsity. So it all depends on how they come together.

[Texasfrog]

Na, I've already learned it before. All those kids at STA really belong there even if their highly touted Prep players and show up for the Senior year.
They also pass all the entrance exams required by STA, pass all the interviews and pay the total cost of tuition just like little JR does.

They also sign on the dotted line where it says, "Show up for football practice everyday," while the coach is handing him his helmet, shoulder pads and cleats.;)

I'm just kidding anyway, I know that STA is on the up & up.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[OakTreeUp-n-Out]

The mention of the kid transferring in was meant to be informational, not to start round 900 of the "recruiting" conversation. Too many keystrokes have been wasted on that, and I hate to break it to you guys, but none of the participants seem to be any closer to agreeing with the other.

Canes - STA has a sophomore RB in the Rivals database... is he a big-timer?

[Canes0177]

The mention of the kid transferring in was meant to be informational, not to start round 900 of the "recruiting" conversation. Too many keystrokes have been wasted on that, and I hate to break it to you guys, but none of the participants seem to be any closer to agreeing with the other.

Canes - STA has a sophomore RB in the Rivals database... is he a big-timer?

Yeah. I'm not going to talk about it anymore. It's tiresome and I won't speak anymore about decisions that parents make regarding the education of their kids.

We have two returning varsity backs. Neither are big-time. Jamal Wilson and Dami Ayoola are nice players. If we have any big-time backs it would have to be either of the two freshmen that played on the JV team last year.

[SLC]

Yeah. I'm not going to talk about it anymore. It's tiresome and I won't speak anymore about decisions that parents make regarding the education of their kids.

We have two returning varsity backs. Neither are big-time. Jamal Wilson and Dami Ayoola are nice players. If we have any big-time backs it would have to be either of the two freshmen that played on the JV team last year.


Yea that was my fault. The RB Oak was refering too was on the Kansas STA team, not Florida, but when I searched Rivals using STA I didn't clarify Florida so it brought up any STA player.

[OakTreeUp-n-Out]

Yea that was my fault. The RB Oak was refering too was on the Kansas STA team, not Florida, but when I searched Rivals using STA I didn't clarify Florida so it brought up any STA player.

No... I was referring to Dami Ayoola. He's class of 2012 in the Rivals database.

[SLC]

No... I was referring to Dami Ayoola. He's class of 2012 in the Rivals database.


Oh, ok. So I screwed up twice. Excellent!:D

[OakTreeUp-n-Out]

STA has added talented DB Khambrel Garland from nearby Deerfield Beach. Secondary's going to be back in good shape for the Raiders by start of season.

[duckunder]

I watched the STA game versus Upper Arlington (OH) on television last season and I was totally impressed. UA wasn't supposed to be world beaters in Ohio last season, but they do have a decent program. However, STA took it to them, badly. I will do what I can to get up to these games. I'm glad Herbstreit does this whole thing, both in TX and in OH.